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UK Column News Podcast 28th February 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Friday, the twentieth of February twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Colin News. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mike Rumson joining me today in the studio.
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Speaker 1: Patrick Henningson, Welcome to a program. Patrick, it's great to
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Speaker 1: be with you, Mike. And by video link we have
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Speaker 1: Mark Anderson. Now we're going to get started today, of course,
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Speaker 1: with Starmer in Washington visiting Donald Trump. They pushed out
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Speaker 1: some nice video of that today. As everyone well know,
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Speaker 1: Byn he was there for most of yesterday. The readout
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Speaker 1: from the meeting said that they discussed the depth of
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Speaker 1: the special relationship between their two nations and their commitment
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Speaker 1: to shared security and prosperity. So this is fantastic stuff.
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Speaker 1: But Trump, you know, was asked if Starmer had begged
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Speaker 1: him to lift the thread of tarfs against the UK.
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Speaker 1: Trump said, he tried, he was working hard. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you that he earned whatever the hell. Hey, they pay
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Speaker 1: him over there. So that was that. So what of
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Speaker 1: the highlights? Well then, of course, as you can see
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Speaker 1: on screen, at the moment, Starmer presented Trump with a
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Speaker 1: special letter from the King inviting him over for the
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Speaker 1: second time. This is apparently the only time this has
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Speaker 1: happened in recent history that a world leader has been
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Speaker 1: honored honored with the second visit, second state visit. And well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Patrick, what do you think is this
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Speaker 1: desperation on behalf of the British to try to keep
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Speaker 1: the special relationship going here because you know they the
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Speaker 1: British government views you know, the United States as being
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Speaker 1: the brawn of the British brains.
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Speaker 2: Right well, it's the indispensable partner in the special relationship.
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Speaker 2: So I think this is good for Britain. Mike to
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Speaker 2: be slightly on good talking terms with Washington after the
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Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. I think it has to be
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Speaker 2: positive for Britain for the US. Not sure whether the
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Speaker 2: US has changed their position or not. I think they're
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Speaker 2: still working things out.
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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's right. Ukraine, of course,
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Speaker 1: was also discussed that that situation at Paig, because it's
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Speaker 1: ever been Trump saying a ceasefire agreement will be agreed
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Speaker 1: soon or not at all. So that's pretty clear then.
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Speaker 1: And of course the mineral steel is not done yet,
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Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that in the second. The British
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Speaker 1: media of course, putting a brief face on everything that
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Speaker 1: was going on. But the rhetoric from Starmar has changed
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Speaker 1: on Ukraine at least gone is the you know, Britain
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Speaker 1: or Ukraine must win, Russia must lose rhetoric and in
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Speaker 1: its place is we must win the piece. But let's
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Speaker 1: just have a look at one example of what Starmer
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Speaker 1: was saying yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Between odd two countries. That is why this is the
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Speaker 3: greatest alliance. But prosperity and security I think the world
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Speaker 3: has ever seen. Whenever necessary, we've absolutely backed each other up.
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Speaker 4: And could you take on Russia by yourselves?
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Speaker 1: Well, all right, one or two more.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 1: So, you know, while the British press putting a brief face,
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Speaker 1: undoubtedly there was quite a bit of mickey taking from
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Speaker 1: Trump's side here and really treating Starmer with somewhat of contempt.
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Speaker 2: He's establishing the pecking order. They're making it very clear
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Speaker 2: to watch how Donald Trump shakes hand Mike. He always
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Speaker 2: puts his palm facing up, which is the sign of dominance,
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Speaker 2: and you put your hand down. So you did that
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Speaker 2: with Starmer, and Starmer fell for that one, like most
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Speaker 2: people do. But winning the piece, that's interesting, you know,
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Speaker 2: I guess. So it's no longer winning the award's winning
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Speaker 2: the piece. So you win the piece by to keep
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Speaker 2: fighting to get the peace.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so let's just listen to what he said about that.
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Speaker 3: Mister President, I welcome your deep and personal commitment to
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Speaker 3: bring peace and to stop the killing. You've created a
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Speaker 3: moment of tremendous opportunity to reach a historic peace deal,
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Speaker 3: a deal that I think would be celebrated in Ukraine
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Speaker 3: and around the world. That is the prize, but we
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Speaker 3: have to get it right. There's a famous slogan in
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Speaker 3: the United Kingdom from after the Second World War that
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Speaker 3: is that we have to win the peace, and that's
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Speaker 3: what we must do now, because it can't be peace
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Speaker 3: that rewards the aggressor or that gives encouragement to regimes
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Speaker 3: like Iran. We agree history must be on the side
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Speaker 3: of the peacemaker, not the invader. So the stakes they
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Speaker 3: couldn't be higher, and we're determined to work together to
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Speaker 3: deliver a good deal. We've discussed a plan today to
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Speaker 3: reach a piece that is tough and fair that Ukraine
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Speaker 3: will help shape, that's backed by strength to stop putin
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Speaker 3: coming back for more. And I'm working closely with other
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Speaker 3: European leaders on this, and I'm clear that the UK
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Speaker 3: is ready to put boots on the ground and planes
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Speaker 3: in the air to support a deal working together with
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Speaker 3: our allies, because that is the only way that peace
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Speaker 3: will last.
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Speaker 1: So it's the peacemaker, not the invader. Patrick, just remind
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Speaker 1: me how many countries have Britain in the United States
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Speaker 1: invaded in the last thirty years or so?
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Speaker 2: Can we count that high? How many regime change operations
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Speaker 2: of the US and Britain done since World War two?
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Speaker 2: One hundred? I think, like you know, I think we
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Speaker 2: need to look back briefly. Might get a World War
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Speaker 2: two history? Who won the peace in World War Two?
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Speaker 2: Was it not the Russian Army, the Red Army, the
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Speaker 2: Soviet Union, Operation Bagration to destroy the German war machine?
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Speaker 2: I mean they won the peace And the battle that
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Speaker 2: happened then is happening on the exact same grounds today
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Speaker 2: in Ukraine, in kurts in the exact same places, and
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Speaker 2: I dare say, Mike, the results will be exactly the same.
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Speaker 2: Russia will it apt and overcome, repel and defeat the
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Speaker 2: Nazi war machine that is coming out of Kiev right
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Speaker 2: backed by NATO. Sorry to be like melodramatic about it,
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Speaker 2: but you know, that's kind of like how we should
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Speaker 2: be looking at it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely now, you said that Trump was absolutely establishing the
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Speaker 1: hierarchy there. And on the question of NATO membership, Trump
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Speaker 1: was asked, you know what about native membership for Ukraine,
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Speaker 1: and again he was absolutely clear and absolutely clear, there's
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Speaker 1: no way in hell that that is going to happen,
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Speaker 1: basically what he was saying. Starmer absolutely silent on this point,
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Speaker 1: so he just sat there and squirmed. Really. But Trump
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Speaker 1: was also asked about the question of his suggestion that
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Speaker 1: Selensky was a dictator, because as Patrick was talking about,
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, of course, no elections in
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Speaker 1: Ukraine and Selenski out of his term of office already.
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Speaker 1: And Trump admite a comment on this in recent days,
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Speaker 1: suggesting that landscape is a dictator. But this is how
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Speaker 1: he answered that question.
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Speaker 2: Is a landscape a good tit?
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Speaker 1: Did I say that? I can't believe I said that?
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Speaker 1: Next question, I mean, how are they supposed to handle us?
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Speaker 2: Just like that? Just easily done. Just say I can't
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Speaker 2: believe I said that. By the way, Mike, do you
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Speaker 2: really think that the United States is going to vote
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Speaker 2: yes on Ukrainian membership to NATO? Probably not. No, probably not.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Hungary will vote yes on Ukrainian membership
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Speaker 2: to NATO? Probably not, Slovakia probably not. It's a few
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Speaker 2: other countries on the fence. Doesn't it take a unanimous
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Speaker 2: vote to get a session to NATO?
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Speaker 6: It?
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Speaker 2: Shoot, it does, doesn't it? So they're not going to
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Speaker 2: ever get NATO membership right, full stop, period, end of story.
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Speaker 2: So why is Starmer and the other European countries and
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Speaker 2: Mark Crute keep banging on about this talking point that
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Speaker 2: they're going to be in NATO Because it just ain't
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Speaker 2: gonna happen.
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Speaker 1: No, in deed. So what is the outcome of all
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Speaker 1: the Shenanigans. Well, Zelensky is going to Washington later on today.
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Speaker 1: I think he arrived at four o'clock this afternoon, allegedly
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Speaker 1: there to sign this big mineral deal. What else happens,
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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure. But in the meantime, Trump has
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Speaker 1: imposed fresh sanctions on Russia, So the question is what's
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Speaker 1: going on there? And there have been some apparent movement
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Speaker 1: on the European defense situation because Macron has decided that
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Speaker 1: he or is suggesting that he will send nuclear armed
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Speaker 1: aircraft to bases in Germany. And this follows the the
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Speaker 1: Friedrich Martz, who's the incumbent German Chancellor, asking both Britain
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Speaker 1: and France to offer this kind of support. So we'll
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Speaker 1: see what follows from that. But in the meantime, you know,
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Speaker 1: the question of money in Ukraine raised its head during
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Speaker 1: the press conference yesterday and the questions that came afterwards,
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Speaker 1: and Trump continuing or appearing this time to suggest that
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Speaker 1: it was Biden's deal over three hundred and fifty billion
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Speaker 1: dollars in Russia in Ukraine was a very bad deal,
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Speaker 1: very bad for the United States because the United States
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be getting this three hundred and fifty dollars three
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty billion dollars back in contrast to the
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Speaker 1: European Union, who effectively funded the thing through loans, and
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Speaker 1: so they can expect money back, which of course is
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Speaker 1: never actually going to happen in reality, because Ukriin's never
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Speaker 1: going to have the money to pay that back anyway.
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Speaker 1: But this is what Trump said yesterday, a.
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Speaker 4: Little bit of what the European nation said. You know,
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Speaker 4: they get their money back by giving money we don't
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Speaker 4: get the money back.
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Speaker 1: Biden made a deal.
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Speaker 4: He put in three hundred and fifty billion dollars, and
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Speaker 4: I thought it was a very unfair situation.
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Speaker 1: We're not getting all of ours.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's quite a bit of ours was was give.
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Speaker 2: It was given. There were some legs, but maybe it
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Speaker 2: was gifted.
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Speaker 1: Actually, So start trying to, you know, us to a
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Speaker 1: sort of thing. We're with you, but you know, so
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Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty billion a mineral deal? Is that
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Speaker 1: a good return?
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Speaker 2: No? And there's big debates. Mike Weather that three hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty billion figure that Trump is throwing about is
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Speaker 2: actually corresponding to reality. I don't think it is. I
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Speaker 2: think it's a little bit on the high side. I
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Speaker 2: don't know how he still can't work out the methodology
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Speaker 2: of how Donald calculated that. But anyway, it's Trump, so
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Speaker 2: you can kind of roll with it. Yeah, so in
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Speaker 2: the mineral deal, let's look at the mineral deal for
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Speaker 2: a minute. We'll bring this up on screen here. Michael Tracy,
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Speaker 2: great journalist keeping an eye and keeping things fair and
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Speaker 2: balanced in the United States. He says it's not even
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Speaker 2: accurate to call it a mineral deal. Ukraine is obliged
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Speaker 2: to turn over fifty percent of its revenues all extractable
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Speaker 2: natural resources, well's physical infrastructure, ports, refineries, etc. So Trump
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Speaker 2: wants to own a huge swath of the country's assets.
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Speaker 2: So what's all this about Ukrainian sovereignty? So we got
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Speaker 2: them into a war, and now we've got them in
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Speaker 2: hawk and now we're repossessing the country. Trump's put Ukraine
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Speaker 2: into administration. What about Ukrainian sovereignty, you know, democracy, whatever,
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Speaker 2: It's a joke, and Tracy goes on on this. Future
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Speaker 2: provisions of the quote mineral deal require ratification by the
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian parliament. A little bit of a sticky point there.
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Speaker 2: This is going to have to be ratified by the
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Speaker 2: Ukraine's I don't see them doing this. I don't see
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Speaker 2: them that they could just say stuff it and what
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Speaker 2: this could do? This is interesting, Mike. Why shouldn't the
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Speaker 2: US Senate have to ratify any of this? Plenty of
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Speaker 2: less consequential deals have been have required Senate ratification. The
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Speaker 2: US is effectively taken control, colonial possession, control of Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: He's got a good point there, So I think this
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Speaker 2: is going to hit the rocks. You know what this
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Speaker 2: could also down the road, embolden the people who want
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Speaker 2: to make peace with Russia, because do you think Russia
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Speaker 2: is going to do a deal like this with Ukraine?
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Speaker 2: Do you remember the cooperation deal they had on the
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Speaker 2: table before Yanikovich was ousted. It wasn't this predatory. So
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Speaker 2: this is like a bad deal for Ukraine all around. So,
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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't see how people can't see the
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Speaker 2: perspective of how bad this has turned out for Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: But they couldn't pivot to Russia at this stage, even
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Speaker 1: if they got rid of Zelenski and the pro war
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Speaker 1: faction in Ukraine because they are in so much hawk
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Speaker 1: to the West.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't. But there are candidates who have put themselves
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Speaker 2: forward for president, like Alexei Rostovich, who do want to
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Speaker 2: open good relations with Russia and the West best of
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Speaker 2: both worlds, to steal the term from David Cameron best
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Speaker 2: of both worlds. And isn't that what Victor Yanikovich wanted
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Speaker 2: before the coup in twenty fourteen. He wanted to have
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Speaker 2: deals with the EU and Russia in the West, the
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Speaker 2: United States and the You said no, no, no, that's
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Speaker 2: not going to happen. Q. The Nazis q my don
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Speaker 2: and the rest is history. That's how he got here
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Speaker 2: to begin with. And here we are back in almost
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Speaker 2: the same position, quite possibly.
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Speaker 1: So three hundred and fifty billion dollars. Trump yesterday saying
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Speaker 1: that the US isn't going to get that back. But
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Speaker 1: is that has he been consistent on that over the
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Speaker 1: last few weeks.
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Speaker 2: No, we just have to backtrack. And this is the Listen,
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Speaker 2: this is what Trump said. Just you saw what he said.
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Speaker 2: You just played what he just said. This is the
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Speaker 2: day before. Let's roll this and try to figure this
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Speaker 2: one out.
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Speaker 1: With Ukraine and this mineral deal. What does Ukraine get in.
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Speaker 4: Charlenge to president, three hundred and fifty billion dollars and
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Speaker 4: lots of equipment and military equipment and the right to
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Speaker 4: fight on and.
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Speaker 1: Originally the right to fight took Ukraine. I will say
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Speaker 1: they're very brave and they're good soldiers.
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Speaker 4: But without the United States and its money and its
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Speaker 4: military equipment, this war would have been over in a
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Speaker 4: very short period of time. In fact, I was the
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Speaker 4: one that gave the javelins. You remember the famous javelins.
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Speaker 1: That was me.
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Speaker 4: That wasn't Obama, it wasn't Biden, It wasn't anybody else.
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Speaker 5: It was me.
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Speaker 4: And they wiped out a lot of tanks with those javelins.
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Speaker 4: And the expression was that Obama gave sheets and I
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Speaker 4: gave the javelins. That was a big deal at the
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Speaker 4: time it wiped out. That was the beginning where people said, wow,
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Speaker 4: that's something. Well, that was American equipment. Without American equipment,
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Speaker 4: this war would have been over very quickly.
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Speaker 1: And American money too. I mean a lot of money.
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Speaker 2: So that.
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Speaker 4: War fighting equipment and the ammunition that's sustain going forward
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Speaker 4: for Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: How long is it system?
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Speaker 4: Well, it could go forward for a while and maybe
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Speaker 4: until we have a deal with Russia. Look, we're going
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Speaker 4: to we need to have a deal with Russia otherwise
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Speaker 4: it's going to continue. But now, when Americans put up
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Speaker 4: their money, the taxpayer money, and President approves it, we're
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Speaker 4: getting our money back in some form.
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Speaker 1: But it could go on for a.
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Speaker 4: While, or it could be settled quickly. I think it's
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Speaker 4: going to be settle quickly. I spoke with President Putin.
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Speaker 4: I think he wants to settle it.
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Speaker 1: And once you get on with life. So are they
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Speaker 1: getting their money back or are they not getting their
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Speaker 1: money back? I'm not quite clear on that.
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Speaker 2: He said Ukraine's going to get three hundred and fifty billions,
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Speaker 2: So that's an interesting figure. But just quickly, Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: said without the javelins, I gave the lethal aid when
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Speaker 2: Obama wouldn't. But this is the same Trump that said,
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Speaker 2: if I was president, this war would have never have happened.
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Speaker 2: So on one hand he's saying that, the other hand,
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Speaker 2: he's saying that I kept the war going by giving
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Speaker 2: them weapons, and how great that is. So again Trump
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Speaker 2: constantly contradicting themselves. But what he's saying is more troops,
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Speaker 2: fight on, more equipment, land, et cetera, et cetera. So
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Speaker 2: this is basically a continuation of the status quo policy, basically,
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Speaker 2: And so Russia has been getting on with life. They
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Speaker 2: have been getting on with life by increasing the territory
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Speaker 2: captured in eastern Ukraine. They've also been getting on with
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Speaker 2: life at home, with their economy projecting three percent growth.
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Speaker 2: So Russia's not in a bad negotiating position the US is.
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Speaker 2: So a lot of this is blustered by Trump. But
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Speaker 2: that three hundred and fifty billion figure, mic, it's I
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Speaker 2: think historically significant. And here's why world War One reparations.
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Speaker 2: Just looking back at history, So Germany at the end
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Speaker 2: of World War One paid six point six billion pounds, okay,
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Speaker 2: six point six billion pounds, and that is in today's money,
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Speaker 2: approximately three hundred and ninety billion dollars. Now I'll use
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Speaker 2: different ways you can calculate, to adjust for inflation. There's
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Speaker 2: a whole bit of different So that's a ballpark figure obviously,
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Speaker 2: so fact checkers, there's a lot of different tables you
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Speaker 2: can use and formulas to do that. But roughly what
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Speaker 2: this three hundred and fifty billion corresponds with German reparations
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Speaker 2: at the end of World One, Just to put that
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Speaker 2: into context. Okay, so all of the chatter you're hearing
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Speaker 2: Russia must pay for the rebuilding of Ukraine, have you
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Speaker 2: not heard that constantly on heavy rotation for the last
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Speaker 2: two years. Well, they are basically in Europe and the
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Speaker 2: US been setting up this narrative that Russia will pay reparations.
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Speaker 2: And that's roughly the amount of money that the West
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Speaker 2: has frozen in Russian foreign currency reserves and assets that
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Speaker 2: they do not know yet what to do with or
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Speaker 2: how to administer. So what Trump is I think trying
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Speaker 2: to do is use the frozen assets as leverage to
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Speaker 2: get Russia to pay for rebuilding as part of a
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Speaker 2: broader deal. I think this is far from ironed out.
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Speaker 2: I think Trump is exaggerating how far down the line
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Speaker 2: this is with Moscow, and this is going to be
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Speaker 2: hugely complicated.
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Speaker 1: But we have another little bit of video on three fifty.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's three hundred and fifty billion there. It
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Speaker 2: is coming up again. Now Trump's saying that two days
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Speaker 2: earlier he said that there's going to be three hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty billion for the US. But that's not all
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Speaker 2: he said. This was incredibly revealing. We will try our
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Speaker 2: best to deconstruct it. Here it is.
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Speaker 4: Biden has spent three hundred and fifty billion dollars without
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Speaker 4: any chance of getting it back. Now we're going to
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Speaker 4: be getting all of that money back, plus a lot more.
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Speaker 4: And we provided a great thing. I mean, we've provided
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Speaker 4: something very important, and we'll be working with Ukraine, and
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Speaker 4: because we'll be taking that, we're going to be taking
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Speaker 4: what we're entitled to take. Now, they spent three hundred
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Speaker 4: and fifty billion dollars and Europe spent one hundred billion dollars.
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Speaker 4: Now does anybody really think that's fair. But then we
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Speaker 4: find out a little while ago, not so long ago,
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Speaker 4: a few months ago, I found that the money they
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Speaker 4: spent they get back, but the money we spent, we
19:05
Speaker 4: all get back. I said, well, we're going to get
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Speaker 4: it back and we'll be able to make a deal.
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Speaker 4: And again Presidents Olenski's coming to sign the deal, and
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Speaker 4: it's a great thing. It's a great deal for Ukraine too,
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Speaker 4: because they get us over there and we're going to
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Speaker 4: be working over there. We'll be on the land and
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Speaker 4: you know that way, it's there's sort of automatic security
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Speaker 4: because nobody's going to be messing around with our people
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Speaker 4: when we're there.
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Speaker 1: And so we'll be there in that way.
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Speaker 4: But Europe will be watching it very close. I know
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Speaker 4: that uk has said and France has said that they
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Speaker 4: want to put they volunteered to put so called peacekeepers
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Speaker 4: on the site. And I think that's a good thing.
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Speaker 2: So not just three hundred and fifty billion, but more.
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Speaker 2: He says it's going to get extra. So Ukraine is
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Speaker 2: just an entry in the Uncle Sam's Imperial ledger at
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Speaker 2: this point. I mean, there's no regard for the Ukrainian
19:57
Speaker 2: people really, for Trump transaction and he's talking about putting
20:02
Speaker 2: troops there. He's even saying they're not going to mess
20:05
Speaker 2: with us if there's US people working in Ukraine. So
20:09
Speaker 2: he's basically saying US citizens contractors are going to be
20:12
Speaker 2: human shields to stop Russia from fighting against Ukraine. What's
20:16
Speaker 2: to stop Ukraine from continuing these provocations against Russian forces
20:22
Speaker 2: or inside Russian territory like they're doing a curse? Now
20:25
Speaker 2: what because there's US people in the West, and that way,
20:27
Speaker 2: the Russia won't retaliate by sending Kinshaw missiles to arms
20:33
Speaker 2: manufacturers or airports. That's not going to happen. And what's
20:36
Speaker 2: Trump going to do if things kick off? People are
20:39
Speaker 2: going to basically say this was a disaster. There is
20:42
Speaker 2: no deal here yet. This is all talk and bluster.
20:46
Speaker 2: So this is like, we'll bring us up. We've got
20:49
Speaker 2: so many changes here. This is the Trump's spin cycle, Mike.
20:52
Speaker 2: If take a look at this graphic, everybody for five
20:56
Speaker 2: or ten seconds. That is Trump's media cycle. This is
21:00
Speaker 2: the spin Get used to it. This is trump Land.
21:04
Speaker 2: Is confusing, it's disorienting, but get used to it. We're
21:09
Speaker 2: trying to the mainstream media is not having much success either.
21:13
Speaker 1: No in date. Okay, right, let's just move on then,
21:17
Speaker 1: and we'll move to a new topic and the question
21:21
Speaker 1: of foreign d mark. Let's break you on and say
21:26
Speaker 1: hello and tell us about well, first of all, Biden's
21:30
Speaker 1: green energy slush fund.
21:34
Speaker 6: Yes, there's been, of course, a lot of waste in
21:39
Speaker 6: recent times by the Biden regime, particularly as it was
21:43
Speaker 6: leaving the White House, trying to fund the green energy regime,
21:47
Speaker 6: trying to get the electric vehicle ev industry up and running.
21:52
Speaker 6: This isn't a recent article I published an American Free Press.
21:56
Speaker 6: Massive Biden green energy slush fund happens to be linked
22:00
Speaker 6: to a radical leftist Georgia politician. Of course, that's Stacy Abrams.
22:05
Speaker 6: She's become a fairly familiar face in recent time. She
22:08
Speaker 6: campaigned heavily for Kamala Harris. And I've got some specifics
22:12
Speaker 6: as we move on and look at some of these
22:14
Speaker 6: other slides.
22:16
Speaker 1: This is some of my writing.
22:18
Speaker 6: White House's new Department of Government Efficiency or DOZE that
22:21
Speaker 6: we've heard about.
22:22
Speaker 1: It's a brand new thing. Of course.
22:24
Speaker 6: It alleges that the Biden administration set aside two billion
22:28
Speaker 6: for a struggling nonprofit energy company called Power Forward Communities
22:32
Speaker 6: or PFC linked to Stacy Abrams.
22:36
Speaker 1: And then in April twenty twenty.
22:38
Speaker 6: Four, Biden's EPA awarded PFC that company the grant two
22:43
Speaker 6: billion as part of its Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund program.
22:48
Speaker 6: Excuse me, PFC received the grant even though the young
22:50
Speaker 6: company reported just one hundred dollars in total revenue during
22:55
Speaker 6: its first three months in operation. That's according to its
22:57
Speaker 6: IRS forum nine to ninety eas which I reviewed pfc's grant.
23:02
Speaker 6: If this was one of just eight Greenhouse Gas Reduction
23:05
Speaker 6: Fund grants that the EPA doled out at that same
23:09
Speaker 6: time April twenty twenty four, and altogether the grant's total
23:13
Speaker 6: twenty billion with a b.
23:16
Speaker 1: So four and eight can be a lot more.
23:18
Speaker 6: But look at these domestic expendsures not exactly pennies, not
23:21
Speaker 6: exactly pocket change. Anyway, looking on to the next slide,
23:25
Speaker 6: this is a.
23:26
Speaker 1: Little bit more of my writing.
23:27
Speaker 6: I highlighted the main part to read here to make
23:30
Speaker 6: sure I get it accurate.
23:31
Speaker 1: Trump's counter moves regarding green energy and things like that.
23:37
Speaker 6: On his inauguration day, January twentieth, he issued an executive
23:41
Speaker 6: order quote and this is a long title, temporary withdrawal
23:45
Speaker 6: of all areas on the outer Continental Shelf from offshore
23:48
Speaker 6: WIN leasing and review of the federal government's leasing and
23:51
Speaker 6: permitting practices for WIN projects in terms of green energy sources.
23:56
Speaker 6: And then there was a more general one at that time,
23:59
Speaker 6: declaring a energy emergency. Moreover, Trump apparently is intent on
24:04
Speaker 6: revoking Biden's fifty per electric vehicle or EV target. And
24:11
Speaker 6: it's important to note, though, that an executive action by
24:14
Speaker 6: itself doesn't end all this. The tax credits, the state mandates,
24:18
Speaker 6: the federal emissions rules that Biden enacted don't disappear automatically,
24:23
Speaker 6: So cutting vehicle emissions is an indirect EV purchase incentive.
24:29
Speaker 6: But nevertheless, and Trump wants to revise the rules and
24:33
Speaker 6: particularly federal emission standards in fuel economy requirements, but revising
24:40
Speaker 6: the taxation and tax credits like that, which is part
24:44
Speaker 6: of the overall thing that will require an Act of Congress.
24:47
Speaker 6: So again, just issuing an executive order in and of
24:51
Speaker 6: itself does not automatically get us off the EV trajectory.
24:56
Speaker 6: There's a little bit more I can just share some
24:58
Speaker 6: of these figures. We're reminded a little bit of the
25:00
Speaker 6: twenty eleven debacle with Soleindra. We might remember that a
25:05
Speaker 6: startup solar company in Fremont, California, five hundred and seventy
25:09
Speaker 6: million was wasted during the Obama administration when Biden was VP.
25:14
Speaker 6: And there was also four hundred and one million that
25:16
Speaker 6: went down the drain with a bound solar in twenty twelve,
25:20
Speaker 6: much like Solindra Calis Solar. Around that same time, two
25:24
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty million went down the drain and one
25:27
Speaker 6: hundred and ninety three million was wasted. And another debacle
25:30
Speaker 6: involving Fisher Automotive and add to that A one two
25:34
Speaker 6: three Systems which manufactured defective batteries and declared bankruptcy around
25:38
Speaker 6: that same time, leading to a waste of one hundred
25:41
Speaker 6: and thirty two million. So I did a little math,
25:44
Speaker 6: and if you look at the twenty billion in the
25:46
Speaker 6: recent figures and all those numbers I just listed from
25:51
Speaker 6: twenty eleven twenty twelve, in those years, the money down
25:55
Speaker 6: the drain for green energy projects is twenty one zero
25:58
Speaker 6: point five seven six billion dollars with a B. So
26:03
Speaker 6: interesting to note, that's for sure. Now moving on, I
26:07
Speaker 6: picked up a little bit last night as I was
26:09
Speaker 6: getting my news together on foreign aid and Chief Justice
26:14
Speaker 6: Roberts paused the order for Trump to pay two billion
26:18
Speaker 6: in foreign aid funding. This is just a brief add
26:22
Speaker 6: on to give us this breaking news. It happened this
26:25
Speaker 6: past Wednesday, and we'll move on to the next one.
26:28
Speaker 6: And I got a few details here in red. Chief
26:31
Speaker 6: Justice John Roberts Wednesday night temporarily frozen order by a
26:35
Speaker 6: federal judge in DC that would have required the Trump
26:37
Speaker 6: administration to pay about two billion in foreign aid reimbursements
26:41
Speaker 6: for work that has already been done. In a brief
26:44
Speaker 6: order issued just a few hours before the midnight deadline
26:47
Speaker 6: for the administration to make those payments, Chief Justice Roberts
26:50
Speaker 6: indicated the court is likely to move quickly on Trump's
26:54
Speaker 6: request to lift the order altogether. And the dispute stems
26:58
Speaker 6: from an executive Trump issued last month declaring that foreign
27:02
Speaker 6: aid funds often are not aligned with American interests and values,
27:07
Speaker 6: which I think is a notable and laudable thing to
27:10
Speaker 6: put out there by the President. Following this executive order,
27:13
Speaker 6: of course, Secretary of State Rubio paused the foreign aid
27:16
Speaker 6: programs funded by and through the State Department and USAID.
27:22
Speaker 6: So Trump is moving his weight around a bit and
27:25
Speaker 6: getting his way so far through the courts on foreign aid.
27:29
Speaker 6: And we'll see how that extrapolates into the future. But
27:32
Speaker 6: I thought that was an important add on. We'll see
27:34
Speaker 6: what effect that has on the broad spectrum of foreign
27:37
Speaker 6: aid for Ukraine and for any other type of foreign aid.
27:40
Speaker 6: It's a little hard to tell, but I'll watch the
27:42
Speaker 6: Supreme Court closely to see if they follow through on
27:45
Speaker 6: what Roberts is indicating.
27:47
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29:32
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29:40
Speaker 1: sort of kind of related Patrick, let's move on to
29:44
Speaker 1: what's been going on because because Trump has released apparently
29:48
Speaker 1: some stuff with respect to Epstein, but has a.
29:51
Speaker 2: Well, this is supposed to be the big reveal, that's
29:54
Speaker 2: what we're told. Anyway, we'll have a look at this.
29:57
Speaker 2: So it's the new Attorney General, Pam BONDI have vowed
30:02
Speaker 2: to release all of the files on Jeff Epstein, JFK assassination.
30:08
Speaker 2: What else, Martin Luther King assassination, RFK assassination. Did I
30:13
Speaker 2: miss anything? Nine to eleven? Did I miss anything? UFOs
30:16
Speaker 2: as well? So first up at bat is Jeffrey Epstein.
30:20
Speaker 2: Here as the New York Post, Trump's DOJ feeds Jeffrey
30:24
Speaker 2: Epstein documents to underwhelmed conservative influencers. You should feel frustrated.
30:31
Speaker 2: So apparently so far as has been a big nothing burger,
30:34
Speaker 2: a lot of hype, and we'll talk about how they
30:37
Speaker 2: kicked this campaign off. I have my suspicions, of course,
30:40
Speaker 2: as many of you do. And then on the details
30:44
Speaker 2: of that, the contact lists, including Alec Baldwin, Michael Jackson, McJagger,
30:49
Speaker 2: r f K Junior's mom, RFK Junior himself as well
30:53
Speaker 2: admittedly flying on the Epstein Express on more than one occasion.
30:59
Speaker 2: Nothing to see there, Move along, But what was really interesting.
31:02
Speaker 2: Here is how they released it. So these are what
31:06
Speaker 2: we're called, what we're told our conservative influencers, d C. Dreno,
31:11
Speaker 2: libs of TikTok. And you see Mike Cernovich hiding in
31:14
Speaker 2: the back, who used to work for guests who Alan Dershowitz.
31:18
Speaker 2: No conflict of interest there again, nothing to see. Move along.
31:22
Speaker 2: So a lot of people are upset that they gave
31:24
Speaker 2: them for stibs. But what Trump is doing here is
31:27
Speaker 2: selling access to the White House to information based on
31:31
Speaker 2: how well you talk about the administration, how much smoke
31:35
Speaker 2: you blow up the White House's chimney, let's say so.
31:40
Speaker 2: A lot of people are really disappointed in that. But
31:42
Speaker 2: nothing is more disappointing than the actual contents of the
31:47
Speaker 2: binder that they're holding up there so proudly. And as
31:51
Speaker 2: this started to circulate online, let's take a look at
31:53
Speaker 2: this year. A lot of Pam Bondi is the blonde
31:57
Speaker 2: woman here, she's the new Attorney General, feigning outrage, feigning
32:01
Speaker 2: outrage the fact that there's thousands of pages that have
32:06
Speaker 2: been buried by the FBI. We've got whistleblowers claiming that
32:10
Speaker 2: they're shredding documents over night in the FBI. Again, a
32:13
Speaker 2: lot of these things are uncoorroborated. We don't know if
32:16
Speaker 2: a lot of what you're seeing here is a show
32:19
Speaker 2: is smoking mirrors, and I think a lot of it
32:21
Speaker 2: is smoking mirrors, and I think, unfortunately, some of these
32:25
Speaker 2: operatives in the Trump administration are part of the show. Unfortunately.
32:29
Speaker 2: But let's just take a look here. This was the
32:32
Speaker 2: letter that went from Bondi to cash Betel, basically officially
32:38
Speaker 2: complaining about how we were promised more. She said that
32:42
Speaker 2: she expects the rest of the documents to be delivered
32:46
Speaker 2: today actually February twenty eighth, so we should be expecting
32:50
Speaker 2: more disclosures, more releases. I'm not holding my breath. I
32:54
Speaker 2: think the big reveal with the big public relations revealed
32:58
Speaker 2: was yesterday and it was a bit nothing burger. I'd
33:01
Speaker 2: be surprised because there's legal implications with this, especially if
33:04
Speaker 2: there's any potential open cases. They can't So what do
33:07
Speaker 2: they have in there? The flight logs? We've got this
33:10
Speaker 2: vertical vertical because of the PDF here, but these are
33:14
Speaker 2: all the flight logs, Mike, Okay, pretty shocking, right, Not really?
33:19
Speaker 2: All these things are publicly available. And then it goes
33:22
Speaker 2: on to the address book. And what's interesting when we
33:25
Speaker 2: get to the address book, here is the redactions. Mike,
33:29
Speaker 2: this is Epstein's black book. Everything's all the details are redacted. Well,
33:33
Speaker 2: the unredacted version of this is available online, just google it.
33:38
Speaker 2: So there's nothing here. There's absolutely nothing here. They promised
33:42
Speaker 2: a lot, they delivered very very little. So let's look
33:46
Speaker 2: at the release of these files, and this is well,
33:51
Speaker 2: let's take a look at the congresswoman who is fronting
33:53
Speaker 2: all this, Anna Paulina Luna. She is a Republican congresswoman
33:58
Speaker 2: from South floor, hear and she was put in charge
34:02
Speaker 2: of this to great fanfare, and she is upset. She's
34:06
Speaker 2: tweeted out. I nor the task force were given or
34:10
Speaker 2: reviewed the Epstein documents being released today. A New York
34:13
Speaker 2: Post story just revealed that all the documents will simply
34:17
Speaker 2: be Epstein's phone book. This is not what we or
34:20
Speaker 2: the American people have asked for, and a complete disappointment.
34:23
Speaker 2: I am getting vibes that this whole thing is being
34:27
Speaker 2: stage managed. Okay, and this is Ryan Dawson who is
34:32
Speaker 2: weighing in. Haha. I called it little black book. The
34:34
Speaker 2: flight logs, both of which we already have. Ryan is
34:38
Speaker 2: one of many good independent journalists that had already collated
34:41
Speaker 2: all of this information, has the entire Epstein list through
34:45
Speaker 2: court documents, basically through doing the homework. So that's what
34:50
Speaker 2: Anna Paulina Luna will go back to her in a
34:52
Speaker 2: minute though. And so Ryan basically tweets out here, and
34:57
Speaker 2: this is important, he said. Some people ask me how
35:00
Speaker 2: I got the Epstein's list, and basically, Mike gets by
35:03
Speaker 2: doing basic journalism, going through all the newspaper articles, going
35:08
Speaker 2: through the publicly available information, including the flight logs, looking
35:12
Speaker 2: at the victim's statements, looking at the emails that were
35:15
Speaker 2: in the court documents, looking at the interviews that have
35:19
Speaker 2: been done by some of the media outlets with the victims,
35:23
Speaker 2: hard work in other works, basic journalism. Yeah, this is
35:26
Speaker 2: just collating. So this is what the independent media do.
35:29
Speaker 2: This is what independent journalists like Ryan Dawson do, But
35:32
Speaker 2: nobody else can do. None of these conservative influencers who
35:35
Speaker 2: are giving first crack at all this by the Trump
35:37
Speaker 2: administration privy position in the White House, they didn't do
35:41
Speaker 2: any of this work. Ryan, on the other hand, got
35:43
Speaker 2: deplatformed from every single big tech platform because what he
35:48
Speaker 2: did was collate publicly available information. That's Ryan Dawson. So
35:54
Speaker 2: I'm going to say to people, and again here's Nick
35:57
Speaker 2: Bryant twenty twelve, The Black Book. Most of it was
36:00
Speaker 2: released back then. There's many such releases since then. So again,
36:05
Speaker 2: if you've been following this story, none of this should
36:08
Speaker 2: surprise you. So I encourage people to follow Ryan Dawson
36:12
Speaker 2: on x at ry Liberty. He is doing great work
36:16
Speaker 2: on this topic. He probably has the most amount of information,
36:19
Speaker 2: as much as any or more than anybody else on
36:22
Speaker 2: the topic. Here. But back to Representative Anna Paulina Luna.
36:28
Speaker 2: So this is when this all was announced, Mike, February
36:30
Speaker 2: twelfth here, and she was all kicking up big excitement here.
36:35
Speaker 2: She's saying that this is about transparency, this is about oversight.
36:39
Speaker 2: So they put her in charge of this whole portfolio.
36:42
Speaker 2: These are the things that conspiracy theorists and independent research
36:46
Speaker 2: has been gagging for decades to get their hands on
36:49
Speaker 2: all of these documents, the ultimate dump, the mother of
36:52
Speaker 2: all document dumps, right, And so who do they put
36:55
Speaker 2: in charge of this? Who is she exactly? And at
36:59
Speaker 2: the time I felt compelled to comment on this tweet
37:03
Speaker 2: by her because I was a little bit disappointed that
37:06
Speaker 2: they would put her in charge of something so important. Here, So,
37:10
Speaker 2: her real name is Anna Maya Hoffer, not Anna Paulina Luna.
37:15
Speaker 2: She's in Congress, believe it or not. She changed her
37:18
Speaker 2: name to Anna Paulina Luna to appeal to Latin American
37:22
Speaker 2: voters in South Florida before she started her election cycle.
37:27
Speaker 2: And these are various statements about her in a Washington
37:30
Speaker 2: Post report. Here friends were shocked to see they knew
37:34
Speaker 2: her from her previous life, and she seems to change
37:37
Speaker 2: like a chameleon basically, So that's interesting. And there she
37:40
Speaker 2: is with guess who the US President bib Netta. Yahoo.
37:45
Speaker 2: So are you a little bit suspicious because all of
37:48
Speaker 2: this stuff ties back to one Middle Eastern country and
37:51
Speaker 2: it's not Iran? Okay? So Epstein is regarded as an
37:55
Speaker 2: Israeli honeypot. Here is Anna Paulina pushing out on after
38:00
Speaker 2: October seventh the Beheaded Babies hoax. So she is a
38:05
Speaker 2: diehard Zionist Israeli operative who's been put in charge of
38:10
Speaker 2: JFK Epstein and nine to eleven okay and RFK. So
38:16
Speaker 2: these are events that are tied to Israeli intelligence, according
38:21
Speaker 2: to many people's research, many books, a lot of material,
38:26
Speaker 2: A lot of experts have said that's the case. So
38:29
Speaker 2: that's the person they've had they have running point. I
38:32
Speaker 2: can't imagine who would have recommended her for the job.
38:36
Speaker 2: I really can't. It's probably the US president pictured there
38:39
Speaker 2: standing next to her, Benjamin Netanyahu. So there we are
38:44
Speaker 2: and so and again apologies for the salacious images, but
38:48
Speaker 2: this is the Orlando Local News. She is a former
38:52
Speaker 2: stripper from South Florida. Now, what are the odds, Mike
38:56
Speaker 2: that right around Jeffrey Epstein's neighborhood. I mean, let's just
39:00
Speaker 2: start putting two and two together here. The editor of
39:03
Speaker 2: this paper recently approached her at the time. This was
39:06
Speaker 2: before she ran, while she was running, and apparently, yes,
39:09
Speaker 2: she worked at the strip club in Tampa, and Luna
39:13
Speaker 2: had recently lost a lawsuit alleging one of her fellow
39:16
Speaker 2: candidates threatened to assassinate her with Russian hit squads. So
39:20
Speaker 2: completely unhinged, a total nutter. And she's in charge, she's
39:24
Speaker 2: in Congress. So I know, does any of this shake
39:28
Speaker 2: your confidence in the Trump administration in the system. I
39:34
Speaker 2: really I can't believe people haven't picked up on more
39:37
Speaker 2: of this, but we are living in a very strange time.
39:40
Speaker 1: We've got plenty to discuss, an extra that is for sure.
39:43
Speaker 1: Now let's suck come back to the UK in a
39:45
Speaker 1: sense and the Express, because the Express has pushed out
39:49
Speaker 1: this story today. China's Wuhan lab sparks new coronavirus fares
39:54
Speaker 1: as it plans ominous new experiments. And so they're saying
39:59
Speaker 1: that researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology identified a
40:03
Speaker 1: new strain of coronavirus and bats that can infiltrate human
40:06
Speaker 1: cells similarly to SARS Covey two. The response that this
40:10
Speaker 1: is their words, the virus responsible for COVID nineteen. But
40:14
Speaker 1: so the question is, well, what they're saying is this
40:18
Speaker 1: newly discovered coronavirus, which they're calling HKUS Covey two, is
40:24
Speaker 1: like SARS Covey two, and it can penetrate cells for
40:26
Speaker 1: via the human is to receptor protein found on cells surfaces.
40:31
Speaker 1: And they're saying that it belongs to the same family
40:33
Speaker 1: as the virus causing the lethal Middle East respiratory syndrome
40:36
Speaker 1: other words known as MARS. And the paper here is
40:40
Speaker 1: calling for further investigation into the strains which with more
40:44
Speaker 1: infectious blake proteins as well as testing in human transgenic mice. Okay,
40:49
Speaker 1: but I just want to remind everybody where the whole
40:53
Speaker 1: lab leaque narrative comes from, at least as far as
40:56
Speaker 1: the UK is concerned, because the main man pushing it,
41:00
Speaker 1: of course, as Richard dear Love has been for the
41:03
Speaker 1: last lot of years former head of m I six
41:05
Speaker 1: and for those of us that have been ryand long
41:07
Speaker 1: enough to remember, of course, this is Old yellow Cake himself,
41:10
Speaker 1: the man who provided the intelligence which allowed Tony Blair
41:14
Speaker 1: to head off to war.
41:15
Speaker 2: Now he is in Christopher Steele's boss.
41:17
Speaker 1: And Christopher Steele's boss, So all the Trump fans out there,
41:20
Speaker 1: this is the man that's behind the Russia Gate saga
41:24
Speaker 1: that basically kept Trump tied up in so many knots
41:28
Speaker 1: during his first term. So this is who's pushing this,
41:32
Speaker 1: because this man is rapidly anti Chinese, just as he
41:35
Speaker 1: is rapidly anti Russian and so on. But the thing
41:39
Speaker 1: that strikes me, Patrick is that you know, when we
41:42
Speaker 1: get communications about this, the people who write us and
41:46
Speaker 1: say that farreses don't exist will also push the lab
41:49
Speaker 1: leak story. And it's a bit tricky for me because
41:53
Speaker 1: because really people have sort of got to decide which
41:57
Speaker 1: it is they believe.
41:59
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know any one personally that's pushing both
42:01
Speaker 2: of those two things, but we have, well we might
42:04
Speaker 2: have some special people in touch with you. But what
42:08
Speaker 2: I can't understand is, you know, if you ask people,
42:10
Speaker 2: do you trust the CIA, and I will say no, No,
42:13
Speaker 2: they're liars, They're overthrowing governments, they're doing spy games. We
42:17
Speaker 2: never trust CIA. But then the CIA's official position is
42:20
Speaker 2: that this was a lablique out of Wuhan. It is
42:24
Speaker 2: the favored official conspiracy theory of the Central Intelligence Agency,
42:29
Speaker 2: and everyone who believes in the lablik will say, I
42:31
Speaker 2: trust the CIA. I don't trust them for everything else,
42:34
Speaker 2: but on this I absolutely trust the CIA. So we
42:38
Speaker 2: are into an amazing propaganda phase in Western civilization where
42:44
Speaker 2: people have basically lost the plot. And it's you. If
42:48
Speaker 2: you really think that the CIA is going to feed
42:51
Speaker 2: you a narrative after all the dust settles and all
42:55
Speaker 2: the damage has been done, and then they're telling you
42:58
Speaker 2: it's the Chinese and you leave that, then you really
43:01
Speaker 2: need to, I think, reconsider what's happening in the world.
43:05
Speaker 2: And I think so many people are just so desperate
43:07
Speaker 2: for some direction on this. They feel hurt, they feel
43:11
Speaker 2: like their world's been turned upside down, and it has,
43:15
Speaker 2: and so they're looking for someone to blame. And of
43:17
Speaker 2: course what's easier than finding a foreign enemy somewhere to
43:21
Speaker 2: blame and use that to build up a wave of
43:24
Speaker 2: policy to maybe attack or sanction or consider them your enemy.
43:30
Speaker 2: That's kind of what's happening with China.
43:32
Speaker 1: I would just remind everybody that it was not the
43:34
Speaker 1: Chinese government which imposed lockdowns in the United Kingdom and
43:37
Speaker 1: the United States.
43:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't the Chinese that, yes, that's right. And
43:41
Speaker 2: it wasn't fighting aged Afghan males who were on the
43:46
Speaker 2: beat enforcing lockdowns. It was British police.
43:49
Speaker 1: Just a reminder, absolutely, Mark, we've talked about Epstein, We've
43:55
Speaker 1: just talked about lockdown and so on. On JFK was mentioned
43:58
Speaker 1: a few seconds ago. Clinton Hill has passed away. Let's
44:04
Speaker 1: hear what you've got to say about that.
44:07
Speaker 6: Yeah, interesting that the JFK documents would come up with
44:12
Speaker 6: regards to the lady Congressman with two names and the
44:16
Speaker 6: Israeli connection that she has, because one of the theories
44:20
Speaker 6: one of the top theories as to why JFK got
44:23
Speaker 6: the Dallas retirement Plan, as I call it, was that
44:26
Speaker 6: he hedged on giving Ben Gurion, the head of Israel
44:31
Speaker 6: at the time, the go ahead, the green light, and
44:34
Speaker 6: the wherewithal to develop a nuclear arsenal. And so that's
44:40
Speaker 6: one of the main theories, among several others, but that's
44:43
Speaker 6: one of the top ones, is that JFK would not
44:46
Speaker 6: cooperate with Israel on its military ambitions, and that's one
44:50
Speaker 6: chief reason perhaps that he got the Dallas retirement plan. Anyway,
44:54
Speaker 6: Clinton J. Hill I met him in twenty twelve. He
44:58
Speaker 6: passed away a week ago. We could go exactly the
45:01
Speaker 6: secret Service agent, of course, who tried to shield the Kennedys.
45:05
Speaker 6: He died at ninety three years old. Notably, it's down
45:09
Speaker 6: to like three people now other than him, now he's
45:13
Speaker 6: passed away. The only Secret Service agent still living that
45:16
Speaker 6: was there that day is Paul Landis, who lives near Cleveland, Ohio.
45:20
Speaker 6: And Ruth Payne, of course, with whom Marina and Lee
45:23
Speaker 6: Harvey Oswald lived in Irving, Texas. She's still alive, and
45:28
Speaker 6: then Marina Oswald herself. So it's down to those three
45:31
Speaker 6: people now that Clinton Hill has passed away. This is
45:34
Speaker 6: another picture of Clinton Hill in his younger days when
45:38
Speaker 6: he would often go overseas with Jackie on her separate
45:41
Speaker 6: trips from JFK, and he was mainly her bodyguard. And
45:45
Speaker 6: of course that photo to the right there is when
45:48
Speaker 6: he jumped on the back of the one hundred ex
45:50
Speaker 6: limo right after they heard shots in Dallas.
45:53
Speaker 1: And moving on from there.
45:57
Speaker 6: The testimony of Clint Hill is particularly interesting now. I
46:02
Speaker 6: met him in twenty twelve in Dallas just north of
46:05
Speaker 6: the Texas school Book Depository which is now the museum,
46:11
Speaker 6: the sixth floor Museum, and I asked him a question
46:15
Speaker 6: about that second shot that he heard and what he
46:20
Speaker 6: said to the Warren Commission back in sixty three or
46:23
Speaker 6: early sixty four regarding that shot, and he said in
46:27
Speaker 6: twenty twelve what he was saying even more recently, and
46:31
Speaker 6: that's a complete denial and a complete papering over of
46:34
Speaker 6: what he said initially to the Warren Commission. And it's
46:37
Speaker 6: worth reciting this exactly because the contrast to what he
46:41
Speaker 6: said then and what he said in recent years is
46:45
Speaker 6: a very stark contrast. And I think that Clint Hill
46:48
Speaker 6: went to his grave, knowing something, excuse me, knowing something
46:51
Speaker 6: very pivotal about this whole event, and he took it
46:54
Speaker 6: with him to his grave. Anyway, mister Hill, he said this.
46:58
Speaker 6: There were people scattered throughout the entire park, and I
47:01
Speaker 6: heard a noise from my right rear, which seemed to
47:03
Speaker 6: me to be a firecracker. I immediately looked to my right,
47:06
Speaker 6: and and so doing my eyes had to cross the
47:08
Speaker 6: Presidential limo, and I saw JFK. Grabb It himself and
47:12
Speaker 6: lurched forward into the left. Arlen Spector, the later a
47:16
Speaker 6: Pennsylvania Senator who was a lawyer on the commission at
47:19
Speaker 6: that time. Mister Spector said, why don't you just proceed
47:22
Speaker 6: in narrative form, mister Hill to tell us and Representative Boggs,
47:27
Speaker 6: a congressman who was on the Warren Commission at that time,
47:29
Speaker 6: he said, this was the first shot, and here's the
47:32
Speaker 6: key part. Mister Hill replied, this is the first sound
47:35
Speaker 6: that I heard, Yes, sir, I jumped from the car,
47:38
Speaker 6: realizing that something was wrong. I ran to the presidential limousine.
47:42
Speaker 6: Just about as I reached it, there was another sound
47:46
Speaker 6: which was different than the first sound. I think I
47:49
Speaker 6: described it in my statement because he had described it
47:52
Speaker 6: before as though someone was shooting a revolver into a
47:56
Speaker 6: hard object. It seemed to have some type of echo.
48:00
Speaker 6: And later on it's worth noting that they found a
48:03
Speaker 6: forty five pistol slug in the grass along Elm Street,
48:07
Speaker 6: across from the school book depository. Not a rifle bullet,
48:10
Speaker 6: a pistol slug. And this next video shows the stark
48:15
Speaker 6: contrast between what Hill said then and what he said
48:19
Speaker 6: in very recent years.
48:21
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and roll with that.
48:24
Speaker 5: And we had turned down on Elm Street, or maybe
48:26
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty feet, and as I was scanning
48:30
Speaker 5: to my left, I heard this explosive noise from the
48:34
Speaker 5: rear over my right shoulder. I didn't recognize it as
48:38
Speaker 5: a gunshot initially, so I started to turn toward that noise,
48:42
Speaker 5: and I only got as far as the back of
48:44
Speaker 5: the present's car because I saw the present's reaction, and
48:49
Speaker 5: that's when I realized that I had been a gunshot.
48:52
Speaker 5: He grabbed his throat and he started to fall to
48:55
Speaker 5: his left. He had a back brace on which prevented
48:59
Speaker 5: him from really bending much forward, but also immediately in
49:04
Speaker 5: front of him was seated Governor Conley in a jump seat,
49:08
Speaker 5: and the back of that jump seat was almost up
49:10
Speaker 5: against the knees of President Kennedy. So he started to
49:14
Speaker 5: fall to his left, and when I then realized this
49:16
Speaker 5: was a gunshot, so I jumped from my position and
49:19
Speaker 5: I ran toward the presidential car with the intent of
49:23
Speaker 5: getting up on top of the back to uh provide
49:26
Speaker 5: a shield there for a president and missus Kennedy. Now,
49:30
Speaker 5: when I ran had to go between a motorcycle officer
49:33
Speaker 5: on his motorcycle and car I was on. There was
49:36
Speaker 5: play engine noise, and they told me later there was
49:39
Speaker 5: a second shot that at that time, but I never
49:41
Speaker 5: heard that shot. And as I approached the car, just
49:45
Speaker 5: as I was getting there, there was another shot that
49:48
Speaker 5: was fired. That one I heard and I felt because
49:52
Speaker 5: that time the President had fallen a little bit farther
49:54
Speaker 5: to his left and his head was way down kind
49:58
Speaker 5: of like this, and that sh shot hit him in
50:00
Speaker 5: the back of the head, and then it erupted out
50:03
Speaker 5: of the upper right quatern just above the ear, and
50:07
Speaker 5: it blew that portion of the skull which was still
50:11
Speaker 5: attached to the scalp forward like a flap kind of
50:15
Speaker 5: and out of that room. Gush blood and bone fragments
50:19
Speaker 5: and brain matter all over the back of the car,
50:23
Speaker 5: over me, all over Missus Kennedy.
50:29
Speaker 6: Now, the first thing to unpack before we show the
50:31
Speaker 6: very pivotal next slide is that he denied even hearing
50:35
Speaker 6: the second shot, let alone describing it. The second shot
50:39
Speaker 6: was the one that he said sounded like a pistol
50:41
Speaker 6: being shot into a hard object. It seemed to have
50:43
Speaker 6: some type of echo. He said that in sixty four,
50:47
Speaker 6: and now he denies even hearing the second shot whatsoever,
50:52
Speaker 6: which is very telling because what he said in sixty
50:54
Speaker 6: four was very specific. It was a very vivid recollection
50:59
Speaker 6: of what he heard, not something that's just some off
51:02
Speaker 6: the cuff comments. So to say now that he doesn't
51:05
Speaker 6: even remember the second shot definitely indicates, and I've done
51:09
Speaker 6: a lot of research on this, that he's taking something
51:12
Speaker 6: very important and not wanting to talk about it anymore
51:15
Speaker 6: and took it with him to his grave.
51:17
Speaker 1: Apparently.
51:18
Speaker 6: Now in this next shot, although Clinton Hill I believe
51:21
Speaker 6: had a lot of integrity and a lot of bravery,
51:24
Speaker 6: and he served honorably, he said that there was blood
51:27
Speaker 6: and gore all over the place, including all over him
51:30
Speaker 6: and all over Jackie. Well, these two shots, there's Jackie's
51:34
Speaker 6: same pink suit she was wearing that day when she
51:37
Speaker 6: was standing next to LBJ when he was sworn in
51:39
Speaker 6: aboard Air Force One, absolutely no blood or guts whatsoever
51:44
Speaker 6: on the top of her garment. And then later on
51:48
Speaker 6: arriving in Bethesda, Maryland, there's Clinton Hill to her left,
51:51
Speaker 6: and as you can see, other than a little bit
51:54
Speaker 6: of dust coloration on her skirt that was visible that
51:57
Speaker 6: day in Bethesda, Maryland and that discoloration on her skirt,
52:01
Speaker 6: her top garment was completely clean. There was no blood
52:06
Speaker 6: gushing all over her. And Clint Hill later on when
52:09
Speaker 6: they got to Parkland Hospital testified that he took his
52:13
Speaker 6: jacket and put it over JFK's face as they wheeled
52:17
Speaker 6: him into the hospital because it was such a gory
52:20
Speaker 6: thing to look at. But I can't imagine that he
52:23
Speaker 6: would take a blood soaked a sports jacket and put
52:26
Speaker 6: it over JFK's face. So there's two things there that
52:30
Speaker 6: Clinton Hill testifies about that really beg the question as
52:34
Speaker 6: to whether he's being truthful about those events, and so,
52:39
Speaker 6: in fact, we're detecting some major contradictions. We can talk
52:43
Speaker 6: about this a little more on Extra. But this is
52:45
Speaker 6: an article I wrote in twenty fourteen when I covered
52:48
Speaker 6: an event in Alexandria, Virginia by Doug Horn, who used
52:51
Speaker 6: to be with the Assassination's Record Review Board, a very
52:55
Speaker 6: important independent body that was set up in the wake
52:58
Speaker 6: of Congress's investigation in the JFK affair. And it featured
53:03
Speaker 6: Dino Brugioni, who in nineteen sixty three was the top
53:07
Speaker 6: CIA analyst at the National Photographic Interpretation Center in Washington, DC,
53:13
Speaker 6: and he saw the uncut Z film before it was
53:19
Speaker 6: reportedly altered at a CIA lab in Rochester, New York
53:22
Speaker 6: called Hawkeye Works, which mister Horne of the Review Board
53:26
Speaker 6: confirmed at the event that I covered back then, and
53:29
Speaker 6: I've talked to him since then. And you might recall, Mike,
53:32
Speaker 6: I covered a JFK event this past November and Doug
53:37
Speaker 6: Horn spoke at that. I covered it virtually and he
53:40
Speaker 6: reiterated many of those same points. But I think, in
53:43
Speaker 6: the interest of time, I think we can save some
53:45
Speaker 6: of this for Extra. I'll leave it as kind of
53:49
Speaker 6: a cliffhanger. I'll share a couple other interesting things, very
53:53
Speaker 6: interesting things when we get there.
53:55
Speaker 2: Thank you, so back you.
53:56
Speaker 1: Thanks very much. Patrick, Let's come back to you then,
54:00
Speaker 1: and well, the nord Stream pipeline situation continues to.
54:05
Speaker 2: Rumble along another another unsolved mystery, and another one of
54:08
Speaker 2: those for the beIN I don't think we're gonna get
54:11
Speaker 2: any declassification on this one though, but we have released
54:15
Speaker 2: a really important story up at twenty first century wire
54:18
Speaker 2: dot com exclusive the Nordstream revelation submarines in the NATO Lake.
54:22
Speaker 2: We raised that term last week the NATO Lake with
54:26
Speaker 2: Brian Garish. This is a piece by Freddy Ponton and
54:30
Speaker 2: this is extremely interesting piece of information and a revelation
54:35
Speaker 2: that I would say is a result of very good
54:38
Speaker 2: research and independent journalism by Freddie Ponton. And we're talking
54:43
Speaker 2: about this NATO Lake. The big question, Mike, was there
54:46
Speaker 2: subactivity during Baltops twenty two? Now there's nothing on the surface,
54:50
Speaker 2: no pun intended, but really nothing on the surface here.
54:54
Speaker 2: So this NATO Lake. Can anything happen in this lake
54:58
Speaker 2: without any the NATO cun trees knowing about it, especially
55:03
Speaker 2: the country who was in charge of We found out,
55:05
Speaker 2: Freddie has found out the submarine authority is the responsibility
55:09
Speaker 2: of Germany, believe it or not, And during Balltops Germany
55:13
Speaker 2: was in charge. How would you know that unless you
55:16
Speaker 2: were inside NATO during Balltops. Well, something interesting happened on
55:21
Speaker 2: the way to the story here. So Freddie is saying,
55:24
Speaker 2: why this location. There's a lot of places where they
55:27
Speaker 2: could have done the explosions. There was shallower water as
55:30
Speaker 2: shallow as thirty meters in some places. Why did they
55:33
Speaker 2: go for eighty two hundred and why at that specific
55:36
Speaker 2: point in the Danish Exclusive Economic zone east of Bornholm Island.
55:41
Speaker 2: These are the questions, and why was there seventeen hours
55:43
Speaker 2: between explosions? Interesting questions and it led to a very
55:48
Speaker 2: interesting investigation here. And if you want to see the
55:52
Speaker 2: details of this, just go to twenty first century. I
55:55
Speaker 2: go to my YouTube channel actually because I am being
55:57
Speaker 2: heavily suppressed on YouTube submarine activity in the Baltics, and
56:03
Speaker 2: basically we go through the full breakdown of all the documents.
56:07
Speaker 2: Freddie found this out by going through the Danish energy
56:11
Speaker 2: application for nordstream and that wasn't public and it became
56:14
Speaker 2: public and translated later and it says submarine exercise zone
56:20
Speaker 2: right at the exact point where Bornholme Island and the
56:23
Speaker 2: nordstreams meet. This was a subtraining zone for NATO. We
56:27
Speaker 2: have the documents in here. It's extremely interesting if you're
56:30
Speaker 2: interested in military affairs. But that's not the most interesting
56:34
Speaker 2: part about this. What was also interesting is that Danish
56:38
Speaker 2: television filmed on board one of the Danish naval crafts
56:43
Speaker 2: and had a flat screen TV during the broadcast, and
56:46
Speaker 2: they accidentally revealed what could be classified I don't know,
56:50
Speaker 2: no longer classified. Of course, this is the organizational chart
56:54
Speaker 2: for Balltops twenty two. So Freddie tracked this with every
56:58
Speaker 2: single team and found that where all of these teams
57:01
Speaker 2: are based, who was there on site, including divers from
57:04
Speaker 2: Panama City. So it does give a lot of credence
57:08
Speaker 2: to part of Seymour Hirsch's story, as well as Biden's
57:12
Speaker 2: naval advisor Michael Gilday was also on site and Mark Milly,
57:16
Speaker 2: who was preemptively pardoned by Joe Biden before he left office.
57:21
Speaker 2: So it's a fascinating read and I think it's going
57:24
Speaker 2: to go a long way to putting NATO into the
57:26
Speaker 2: frame on nordstream, which is always difficult because it's so
57:30
Speaker 2: multi layered, so complicates hard to know what happened there
57:34
Speaker 2: without any whistleblowers coming forward. So Freddie I think did
57:38
Speaker 2: a brilliant job of back engineering this story so far
57:41
Speaker 2: and allowing other researchers to get in there in other specializations,
57:46
Speaker 2: like Eric Anderson, the Scandinavian engineer who's done great research
57:50
Speaker 2: including gone to the bottom and done drones to film
57:55
Speaker 2: it and map it. So all these people are kind
57:58
Speaker 2: of helping each other. And this is the spirit of
58:01
Speaker 2: the independent media at its best. So I think it's
58:04
Speaker 2: going to be very interesting reading for a lot of people.
58:06
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, thank you for that. Now we've got to
58:09
Speaker 1: end just a couple of privacy related stories. And first
58:13
Speaker 1: of all the Apple Icloude, the British attempt to remove
58:17
Speaker 1: encryption from Apple I claude. That story rumbles on because
58:21
Speaker 1: Tousy Gabard has got involved now. So basically this comes
58:27
Speaker 1: out of what was what is known as the Cloude Act,
58:30
Speaker 1: and this was signed in twenty nineteen. It came into
58:33
Speaker 1: force in October twenty twenty and as to say, this
58:36
Speaker 1: might be the first significant act of Tossi Gabard. Anyway,
58:39
Speaker 1: she wrote to a couple of US Congress people saying,
58:43
Speaker 1: my lawyers are working to provide a legal opinion on
58:45
Speaker 1: the implications of the reported UK demands against Apple on
58:49
Speaker 1: the Bilateral Cloud Act Agreement. Upon initial review of the
58:53
Speaker 1: US and UK Bilateral Cloud Act Agreement, the United Kingdom
58:56
Speaker 1: may not issue demands for data of US citizens nice
59:00
Speaker 1: sort of lawful permanent residents, nor has it authorized to
59:03
Speaker 1: demand the data of persons located inside the United States. Now,
59:08
Speaker 1: the reason Tulsi's getting motivated by this is because although
59:11
Speaker 1: Apple has now simply removed this facility from people in
59:16
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom in order to try to swerve around
59:19
Speaker 1: this court order from the United Kingdom government, the original
59:23
Speaker 1: applications of the court by the UK government was demanding
59:27
Speaker 1: that Apple place a backdoor on their encryption mechanism for ICLOUDE,
59:32
Speaker 1: which would have meant that the UK government could have
59:34
Speaker 1: got access to anybody's data, including that of US citizens.
59:38
Speaker 1: So in order to prevent that, Apple has removed the
59:40
Speaker 1: facility from the UK completely, but not from any other jurisdiction.
59:46
Speaker 1: So Tulsa and I is using her position, I guess
59:49
Speaker 1: as DNI to try to investigate whether there has been
59:52
Speaker 1: a breach of that agreement. Now, what the implications are
59:55
Speaker 1: for the UK, I don't know on how that fits
59:58
Speaker 1: into what we were talking about at the start of
1:00:00
Speaker 1: the program. I don't know that remains to be seen.
1:00:02
Speaker 2: Is this happening now? But this is happening now, So
1:00:04
Speaker 2: right now the UK government are looking at everyone's eye cloud.
1:00:07
Speaker 6: Now they have wells bit well it is.
1:00:11
Speaker 1: The question of the legality of it is is still
1:00:14
Speaker 1: to be determined, of course, because they're giving themselves this
1:00:17
Speaker 1: par through the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act and the
1:00:21
Speaker 1: amendments That Actor became an Act of Parliament last year.
1:00:25
Speaker 1: So so we will we will see how this develops
1:00:28
Speaker 1: and we'll talk a bit more a bit more about
1:00:30
Speaker 1: this an extra as well. We'll see how this develops.
1:00:32
Speaker 1: But I think it's an interesting development there from Tulsa,
1:00:36
Speaker 1: and we'll see whether there's any implications.
1:00:38
Speaker 2: So they haven't enacted it yet. Is this something they're
1:00:41
Speaker 2: planning to do?
1:00:42
Speaker 1: No, No, this is a This is a This is
1:00:43
Speaker 1: a quarter order that that Apple has complied with in
1:00:45
Speaker 1: a sense because they have switched off the facility for
1:00:48
Speaker 1: UK iPhone and iPad and Mac users encryption. Encryption. Yes. Interesting,
1:00:56
Speaker 1: So we'll leave it there for today. I'm going to
1:00:58
Speaker 1: say thank you to mar and to Patrick and to
1:01:02
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1:01:05
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