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- 0:03Speaker 1: At six fifteen in the morning on February fourteenth, twenty nineteen,
- 0:08Speaker 1: Glenn Fleming pulled his trot line out of Saber Creek
- 0:12Speaker 1: and found something that did not belong there. It was
- 0:15Speaker 1: a pale blue binder, laminated thirty one pages, barely water logged.
- 0:21Speaker 1: Fleming turned it over in his hands. He thought it
- 0:23Speaker 1: was a school project someone had dropped from the Route
- 0:27Speaker 1: nine bridge. It was not a school project. The header
- 0:31Speaker 1: on the first page read wowd to pr. Below it,
- 0:36Speaker 1: in careful handwriting, were children's names, ages at placement, and
- 0:40Speaker 1: a column marked balance Sneakers February eighth, sixty four dollars,
- 0:47Speaker 1: school lunch account, March third, forty dollars, birthday cake April eleventh,
- 0:53Speaker 1: twenty eight dollars, every gift, every kindness, logged as a debt.
- 1:00Speaker 1: Somewhere on Crestonville Road, four miles outside Aldenvale, Tennessee, a
- 1:04Speaker 1: woman named Holly Paget had spent fourteen months believing she
- 1:08Speaker 1: was the one being generous. She had no idea anyone
- 1:12Speaker 1: had been keeping score. Holly Paget was fifty two years
- 1:15Speaker 1: old when investigators came to her door. She had lived
- 1:18Speaker 1: in the pale yellow farmhouse on Creston Mill Road. For years,
- 1:23Speaker 1: the house sat on a quiet stretch of road, just
- 1:26Speaker 1: far enough outside Aldenvale to feel removed from everything, close
- 1:30Speaker 1: enough to drive the kids to school without much trouble.
- 1:33Speaker 1: She was a billing coordinator for a physical therapy practice,
- 1:37Speaker 1: working from home three days a week. She understood ledgers,
- 1:42Speaker 1: She understood accounts. She could read a column of numbers
- 1:45Speaker 1: and find the error that everyone else had missed. That
- 1:49Speaker 1: detail matters more than it seems right now. For eleven years,
- 1:53Speaker 1: Holly had been a licensed foster parent. Four children had
- 1:57Speaker 1: come through her home by December of two thousand seven teen.
- 2:00Speaker 1: She knew the rhythms of placement, the paperwork, the adjustment period,
- 2:05Speaker 1: the particular silence of a child who has learned not
- 2:08Speaker 1: to need too much. She had built her routines carefully
- 2:12Speaker 1: around that silence. Every Thursday, at eleven fifteen in the evening,
- 2:18Speaker 1: she called her sister, Renee Cho, a split shift hospital
- 2:22Speaker 1: worker in Boise. The calls were regular, reliable. Holly was
- 2:27Speaker 1: a person who showed up on schedule. Marcus Webb was
- 2:31Speaker 1: thirteen when he arrived, Dejah Simms was nine. They were
- 2:35Speaker 1: already in the house when the next chapter of this
- 2:37Speaker 1: story started, though none of them knew it yet. December
- 2:41Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen brought a cold snap to that part
- 2:45Speaker 1: of Tennessee. A dark green Ford F two fifty, a
- 2:48Speaker 1: twenty twelve model, broke down on Creston Mill Road. The
- 2:52Speaker 1: driver was forty four years old. His name was Paul Ramsay.
- 2:56Speaker 1: Holly gave him a ride. Bobby Sewell, a mechanic at
- 3:00Speaker 1: Aldenvale Tire and Autumn, later confirmed the breakdown was real.
- 3:04Speaker 1: Cracked serpentine belt, coolant leak a two day repair. There
- 3:09Speaker 1: was nothing staged about the truck sitting on the shoulder
- 3:11Speaker 1: of that road. The breakdown happened exactly as Ramsey described it.
- 3:15Speaker 1: That confirmation would matter later for reasons that are almost
- 3:19Speaker 1: worse than if it had been a lie. Ramsey rented
- 3:23Speaker 1: Holly's spare room for three hundred dollars a month. He
- 3:26Speaker 1: fixed the porch step, he installed a water heater, He
- 3:30Speaker 1: drove the kids to school. Multiple social workers independently over
- 3:35Speaker 1: those months used the same word to describe him. They
- 3:38Speaker 1: called him careful. By February of twenty eighteen, he had
- 3:43Speaker 1: stopped paying rent. Holly covered for him on her Thursday
- 3:46Speaker 1: calls to Renee. She did not say why. Records show
- 3:51Speaker 1: that on the same evening Holly changed her bank account password.
- 3:55Speaker 1: A second loggin appeared in the access logs, coming from
- 3:58Speaker 1: a device that did not long to her. The login
- 4:01Speaker 1: occurred while Ramsay was present in the house. In March
- 4:05Speaker 1: of twenty eighteen, a fourteen year old named Callie Pruitt
- 4:09Speaker 1: was placed with Holly. In July, a ten year old
- 4:12Speaker 1: named Devon Marsh arrived. The house was full, the routines continued.
- 4:18Speaker 1: Holly kept working her billing shifts and driving to the
- 4:21Speaker 1: Mercer Street food Bank and calling Renee every Thursday. What
- 4:25Speaker 1: she did not know was that somewhere in that house
- 4:29Speaker 1: a ledger was growing. The ledger had a header three
- 4:33Speaker 1: words handwritten at the top of the first page, owe
- 4:37Speaker 1: to p R thirty one pages, pale blue, lemonade cover
- 4:41Speaker 1: barely water logged. Glenn Fleming pulled it from Saber Creek
- 4:44Speaker 1: at six fifteen in the morning on February fourteenth, two
- 4:48Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. He had been running trot lines on that
- 4:52Speaker 1: stretch of water since the late nineteen eighties. He thought
- 4:56Speaker 1: it was a school project someone had dropped. He opened it.
- 5:00Speaker 1: Each page carried a child's name and age. Beneath the
- 5:04Speaker 1: name a column of entries, dates, items, dollar amounts, sneakers
- 5:11Speaker 1: February eighth, sixty four dollars, school lunch account March third,
- 5:16Speaker 1: forty dollars, birthday cake April eleventh, twenty eight dollars. Every
- 5:21Speaker 1: entry marked as a balance, every balance marked as ode
- 5:25Speaker 1: to pr The items themselves are what stop you cold,
- 5:30Speaker 1: not contraband, not anything hidden. Sneakers, a school lunch account,
- 5:35Speaker 1: a birthday cake, the most ordinary gestures of care a
- 5:39Speaker 1: child could receive, written down as debts the child ode back.
- 5:43Speaker 1: That detail matters because it means the mechanism was not chaos,
- 5:48Speaker 1: It was architecture. Amanda Hunter, thirty eight, a financial crimes
- 5:53Speaker 1: investigator with the Tennessee Department of Commerce, entered the case
- 5:57Speaker 1: through a different door. Entirely a count regularities, transfers of
- 6:02Speaker 1: forty to ninety dollars a month, moving from Holly's foster
- 6:06Speaker 1: care stipend account to PayPal, then routing to a prepaid
- 6:10Speaker 1: debit card. The name on that card matched no Tennessee
- 6:13Speaker 1: driver's license on record. Forty to ninety dollars a month
- 6:18Speaker 1: sounds modest, stretched across eleven months, it becomes a quiet hemorrhage.
- 6:23Speaker 1: But Hunter's team did not stop at eleven months. They
- 6:26Speaker 1: pulled records across four states. They found the same routing
- 6:30Speaker 1: pattern in other households, other rooms rented, other private homes.
- 6:35Speaker 1: The span was eleven years. Two of the prior cases
- 6:39Speaker 1: involved children. A twenty eleven complaint out of Hardin County,
- 6:43Speaker 1: Kentucky had been closed when the complainant declined to pursue it.
- 6:47Speaker 1: Ramsey had been doing this since two thousand eight, he
- 6:50Speaker 1: told journalist Kevin slaide As much after the appeal failed.
- 6:55Speaker 1: The first ledger, he said, was in Bowling Green picture.
- 6:58Speaker 1: What that timeline means again, It's the pale yellow farmhouse
- 7:02Speaker 1: on Creston Mill Road. December of twenty seventeen. Was not
- 7:06Speaker 1: a beginning, It was a continuation. Ramsey arrived with a
- 7:09Speaker 1: cracked serpentine belt, a coolant leak, and eleven years of practice.
- 7:14Speaker 1: Here is where the architecture becomes visible. Step one. The
- 7:18Speaker 1: breakdown real, confirmed by Bobby Sewell at Aldenvale Tire and Auto.
- 7:24Speaker 1: But here is the thing. A real breakdown is also
- 7:28Speaker 1: a perfect entry point. Roadside helplessness produces an immediate social
- 7:33Speaker 1: obligation in the person who stops. Holly stopped, she gave
- 7:37Speaker 1: him a ride. That single act of ordinary decency became
- 7:41Speaker 1: the foundation. Step two the room three hundred dollars a month, modest, useful.
- 7:48Speaker 1: Ramsey fixed the porch step he installed the water eater.
- 7:52Speaker 1: He drove Marcus and Desa to school. Social workers who
- 7:56Speaker 1: visited the house during those months described him independently with
- 8:00Speaker 1: the same word careful. Step three, the rent stopped. By
- 8:04Speaker 1: February of twenty eighteen, the three hundred dollars had become zero.
- 8:09Speaker 1: Holly covered for him on her Thursday calls to Renee.
- 8:13Speaker 1: She did not explain why the reason she gave herself
- 8:16Speaker 1: or the reason he gave her is not in the record.
- 8:20Speaker 1: Step four the password. Step four the password. The same
- 8:24Speaker 1: evening Holly changed her bank account access. The second logan
- 8:28Speaker 1: appeared in the logs a device that did not belong
- 8:32Speaker 1: to her. Ramsey was in the house. The logan was
- 8:35Speaker 1: not forced. It required knowing what Holly had just changed
- 8:39Speaker 1: it two. The most plausible explanation, according to investigators, is
- 8:44Speaker 1: that Ramsey was present when she typed it. Step five
- 8:48Speaker 1: the ledger gifts that felt like generosity, recorded privately as obligations.
- 8:54Speaker 1: Children told in those private moments that they owed him.
- 8:59Speaker 1: Callie Prue was fourteen when she arrived in March of
- 9:03Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. By the time investigator spoke with her, she
- 9:07Speaker 1: had a page total that exceeded eight hundred dollars. She
- 9:11Speaker 1: cried when she learned what the number meant. Marcus Webb
- 9:15Speaker 1: was thirteen. He had been in the house from the beginning.
- 9:19Speaker 1: He was the one who finally said something. In January
- 9:23Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, Marcus walked into school Councilor Iris Flood's
- 9:27Speaker 1: office and told her what he knew. The record does
- 9:31Speaker 1: not preserve his exact words. What it preserves is the
- 9:35Speaker 1: consequence Iris reported to the Department of Child Services. Within
- 9:40Speaker 1: the same day, Ben Stover, the DCS caseworker assigned to
- 9:44Speaker 1: the case, drove out to Creston Mill Road. Ramsay was
- 9:47Speaker 1: already gone. Holly told investigators she did not know he
- 9:51Speaker 1: was leaving. Nothing in the record contradicts that the dark
- 9:55Speaker 1: green F two fifty pulled out at some point in
- 9:58Speaker 1: the forty eight hours after Or Marcus spoke to Iris
- 10:01Speaker 1: and Holly, who had covered for him on Thursday. Calls,
- 10:05Speaker 1: who had not mentioned the missing rent who had watched
- 10:08Speaker 1: the login, She did not recognize scroll past on her
- 10:11Speaker 1: bank statement. Holly was the last to know that too.
- 10:15Speaker 1: That sequence is worth sitting with. The person most exposed,
- 10:20Speaker 1: most surveiled inside her own home, least informed of every development.
- 10:24Speaker 1: The billing coordinator, who understands numbers, did not see the transfers.
- 10:29Speaker 1: The foster parent, who had kept eleven years of records
- 10:32Speaker 1: did not see the ledger. She told the court in
- 10:35Speaker 1: roughly two hours of testimony that she had believed she
- 10:39Speaker 1: was the one being generous. That sentence does not describe
- 10:43Speaker 1: a failure of intelligence. It describes a system that was
- 10:47Speaker 1: designed specifically to produce that belief. When Ramsay left, he
- 10:51Speaker 1: had the binder with him. At some point between leaving
- 10:54Speaker 1: Creston Mill Road and whatever came next, he drove across
- 10:58Speaker 1: the Route nine bridge over Says Creek February in that
- 11:01Speaker 1: part of Tennessee means low water. The creek runs shallow,
- 11:06Speaker 1: and the ox bow bends catch debris thrown from the bridge.
- 11:09Speaker 1: He threw the binder. It landed in the ox bow.
- 11:12Speaker 1: It had not been in the water long when Fleming
- 11:15Speaker 1: found it. That detailed the barely water logged cover, the
- 11:18Speaker 1: still legible handwriting is what made prosecution possible. Ramsey threw
- 11:23Speaker 1: it because it was the most dangerous thing he owned.
- 11:26Speaker 1: He chose a creek in the dark because he needed
- 11:29Speaker 1: it gone. What he did not account for was a
- 11:32Speaker 1: fisherman who had been running that particular stretch of water
- 11:35Speaker 1: for thirty years, and who thought at first that a
- 11:39Speaker 1: pale blue binder in February looked like something a student
- 11:42Speaker 1: had lost. Amanda Hunter's financial records established the multi state
- 11:46Speaker 1: pattern the binder established. The children. Together they closed a
- 11:50Speaker 1: loop that eleven years of individual complaints had never quite closed.
- 11:55Speaker 1: The Dellard County jury convicted Paul Ramsay in October of
- 11:59Speaker 1: two thoy nineteen on eight counts financial exploitation of a
- 12:03Speaker 1: vulnerable adult, contributing to financial exploitation of miners, and wire fraud.
- 12:08Speaker 1: The sentence was fourteen years. In twenty twenty one, Ramsey's
- 12:12Speaker 1: attorneys filed an appeal. Their arguments centered on the binder.
- 12:16Speaker 1: Glenn Fleming had handled it before a deputy arrived, chain
- 12:20Speaker 1: of custody, they argued, was compromised. The appeal court disagreed
- 12:24Speaker 1: the binder was admitted. The chain held the ledger that
- 12:28Speaker 1: was supposed to disappear into Saber Creek is what put
- 12:31Speaker 1: him away. The appeal argument itself is worth examining for
- 12:35Speaker 1: a moment because it tells you something about how Ramsey thought.
- 12:39Speaker 1: Of all the evidence arrayed against him, the multi state
- 12:42Speaker 1: financial records, the bank access laws, the children's testimony. His
- 12:47Speaker 1: legal team chose to attack the binder, the handwritten document,
- 12:51Speaker 1: the one that carried the children's names. Walk through that logic.
- 12:55Speaker 1: If the binder disappears, the account irregularities still exist, Amanda
- 13:00Speaker 1: Hunter's multi state records still exist, the children's disclosures still exist.
- 13:05Speaker 1: Removing the binder does not collapse the prosecution. It leaves
- 13:09Speaker 1: a building with one beam pulled out. The structure holds.
- 13:13Speaker 1: But the binder was different because the binder was not
- 13:16Speaker 1: evidence of what Ramsey took. It was evidence of what
- 13:19Speaker 1: he intended. The ledger showed that the gifts were never gifts.
- 13:23Speaker 1: It showed that Ramsey tracked every dollar he spent on
- 13:26Speaker 1: a child with the expectation of return. It showed that
- 13:29Speaker 1: he communicated that expectation to the children directly, privately, in
- 13:34Speaker 1: a household where the adult responsible for them did not know.
- 13:38Speaker 1: The binder was the only document in the case, that
- 13:41Speaker 1: made the mechanism legible from the inside. That is why
- 13:44Speaker 1: he threw it. That is why the appeal targeted it.
- 13:48Speaker 1: Picture the Route nine bridge on a February night, cold
- 13:52Speaker 1: low water, a fisherman's creek, thirty years in the running.
- 13:57Speaker 1: Ramsey leaned over the railing and let it go each
- 14:00Speaker 1: creek because rivers move creeks in February, do not. He
- 14:04Speaker 1: chose darkness because no one runs trot lines at midnight.
- 14:08Speaker 1: What he did not know was that Glenn Fleming runs
- 14:11Speaker 1: them at six point fifteen in the morning. The binder
- 14:14Speaker 1: landed in the oxbow, the oxpow held it. Fleming found
- 14:18Speaker 1: it before the ink ran. But here is what the binder,
- 14:21Speaker 1: even recovered, could not fully explain. Holly. Not Holly as
- 14:26Speaker 1: a victim that was clear to investigators, clear to the jury,
- 14:30Speaker 1: clear in the record, but Holly as a variable that
- 14:33Speaker 1: Ramsey had read accurately from the roadside of Creston Mill Road.
- 14:38Speaker 1: He had chosen a licensed foster parent, a person whose
- 14:41Speaker 1: caregiving was not incidental but structural, documented reviewed, A person
- 14:47Speaker 1: who by training and disposition, would interpret a struggling man's
- 14:51Speaker 1: needs as something to be met rather than questioned. A
- 14:55Speaker 1: person whose home already contained children who trusted adults by necessity.
- 15:00Speaker 1: The mechanism required exactly that person, someone whose generosity was
- 15:05Speaker 1: not a weakness to be exploited once, but a framework
- 15:08Speaker 1: that could be turned steadily inward over fourteen months without
- 15:11Speaker 1: ever announcing itself as exploitation. That is the part of
- 15:15Speaker 1: this case that does not resolve with a conviction. The
- 15:18Speaker 1: sentence accounts for what Ramsey did, It does not account
- 15:22Speaker 1: for how he knew where to look. After the appeal failed,
- 15:26Speaker 1: Ramsey spoke to journalist Kevin Slade for a regional magazine.
- 15:30Speaker 1: He confirmed that the first ledger dated to two thousand
- 15:33Speaker 1: eight Bowling Green. He offered one other sentence that has
- 15:37Speaker 1: stayed in the record since He said that every one
- 15:41Speaker 1: keeps a ledger. He said he was just the only
- 15:44Speaker 1: one honest enough to write it down. The statement is
- 15:47Speaker 1: worth reading twice, not because it explains anything, because it
- 15:51Speaker 1: reveals that, even after conviction, after fourteen years sentenced after
- 15:55Speaker 1: the appeal, Ramsey's frame work was still intact. He did
- 15:59Speaker 1: not read frame what he had done. He reframed accounting.
- 16:03Speaker 1: He took the most damning document in his prosecution and
- 16:06Speaker 1: described it as a virtue. That is the clearest image
- 16:11Speaker 1: the record offers of who Paul Ramsey is. Not the
- 16:14Speaker 1: breakdown on Creston Mill Road, not the gifts, or the repairs,
- 16:18Speaker 1: or the social worker's word. The statement he chose to
- 16:21Speaker 1: make when no outcome could be changed, when there was
- 16:24Speaker 1: nothing left to manage, He was still keeping the ledger.
- 16:28Speaker 1: The Dellard County jury convicted Paul Ramsey in October twenty
- 16:32Speaker 1: nineteen on eight counts, financial exploitation of a vulnerable adult,
- 16:37Speaker 1: contributing to financial exploitation of miners, and wire fraud. The
- 16:42Speaker 1: sentence was fourteen years. Ramsey's attorney filed an appeal in
- 16:47Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. The argument centered on Glenn Fleming. Fleming
- 16:52Speaker 1: had handled the binder before sheriff's deputy arrived at Saber Creek,
- 16:56Speaker 1: and the defense argued that broke the chain of custody.
- 16:59Speaker 1: The appeal's court reviewed the record in twenty twenty two
- 17:03Speaker 1: and rejected the argument. The binder remained in evidence. Every
- 17:08Speaker 1: entry stayed on the page. Amanda Hunter, the financial crimes
- 17:12Speaker 1: investigator who had traced the PayPal routing and the prepaid
- 17:16Speaker 1: debit card, testified that the multi state pattern spanned eleven
- 17:20Speaker 1: years and four states. Two prior cases had involved children.
- 17:25Speaker 1: The twenty eleven Hardin County complaint had been closed when
- 17:29Speaker 1: the complainant declined to pursue it. No conviction came from
- 17:32Speaker 1: that case. What the trial record established is that Aldenvale
- 17:36Speaker 1: was not the beginning. It was the continuation of something
- 17:39Speaker 1: Ramsay had refined over more than a decade. Holly Paget
- 17:43Speaker 1: testified for approximately two hours. The trial record does not
- 17:47Speaker 1: quote her at length. What is preserved is one line
- 17:51Speaker 1: she gave under examination. She said she believed she was
- 17:55Speaker 1: the one being generous. That sentence carries more weight than
- 17:59Speaker 1: almost anything else in the record. Holly is a billing coordinator.
- 18:04Speaker 1: She understands ledgers. She processes numbers in her professional life
- 18:09Speaker 1: three days a week from the farmhouse on Creston Mill Road.
- 18:13Speaker 1: And Ramsey spent fourteen months operating a financial extraction scheme
- 18:17Speaker 1: inside her home against her account against the children in
- 18:20Speaker 1: her care. And she did not see it, not because
- 18:24Speaker 1: she was careless, because the mechanism was not designed to
- 18:28Speaker 1: be seen. It was designed to feel like trust. The
- 18:31Speaker 1: children's accounts were never fully restored. In the record. What
- 18:34Speaker 1: the court established is that CALLI Pruett, Devon Marsh, Marcus Webb,
- 18:40Speaker 1: and Daja Simms had each been told privately that they
- 18:43Speaker 1: owed Paul Ramsey. That the sneakers were a debt, the
- 18:47Speaker 1: school lunch deposits were a debt. The birthday cake was
- 18:50Speaker 1: a debt. Children who had no legal standing, no financial autonomy,
- 18:56Speaker 1: and no framework to contest. The claim had been made
- 18:59Speaker 1: to carry a bat balls that existed only in a
- 19:01Speaker 1: laminated blue binder at the bottom of Saber Creek. Marcus
- 19:05Speaker 1: was thirteen when he told his school councilor Iris Flood
- 19:09Speaker 1: he was the one who broke the chain. That disclosure
- 19:13Speaker 1: triggered the DCS report. Ben Stover arrived at Creston Mill
- 19:17Speaker 1: Road within forty eight hours. Ramsey was already gone. The
- 19:22Speaker 1: green Ford F two fifty was gone. The binder was gone,
- 19:27Speaker 1: or so Ramsey believed. Low Water in February and in
- 19:30Speaker 1: Oxbow Bend in Saber Creek held the binder long enough
- 19:34Speaker 1: for Glenn Fleming to find it at six fifteen in
- 19:36Speaker 1: the morning on the fourteenth, while running trotlines he had
- 19:40Speaker 1: worked since the late nineteen eighties. Fleming thought it was
- 19:44Speaker 1: a school project. He turned it over to a deputy
- 19:47Speaker 1: that deputy sent it to Amanda Hunter. Hunter recognized the
- 19:50Speaker 1: structure immediately. A thirty one page handwritten ledger header owed
- 19:55Speaker 1: to pr children's names, ages at placement balances. Ramsey threw
- 20:01Speaker 1: it from the root nine bridge because it was the
- 20:03Speaker 1: most dangerous thing he owned. He was right, it was.
- 20:08Speaker 1: Holly Paget still lives in the pale yellow farmhouse on
- 20:11Speaker 1: Creston Mill Road, four miles outside Alden Bay. She is
- 20:16Speaker 1: still a licensed foster apparent. On Thursday evenings at eleven fifteen,
- 20:21Speaker 1: she calls her sister renee Cho in Boise. On certain weeks,
- 20:25Speaker 1: she drops zucchini at the Mercer Street food Bank. She
- 20:29Speaker 1: did not leave. That is worth saying plainly. The mechanism
- 20:35Speaker 1: that Ramsey used against her was designed to make her
- 20:38Speaker 1: doubt her own account of events, her own generosity, her
- 20:41Speaker 1: own judgment. She testified anyway. She stayed in the house,
- 20:46Speaker 1: She kept her license, She kept the Thursday calls. What
- 20:50Speaker 1: Ramsey could not account for across eleven years in four
- 20:53Speaker 1: states and however many ledgers, is that the people he
- 20:57Speaker 1: selected for their capacity to care did not stop caring.
- 21:01Speaker 1: He read that quality as a vulnerability. It turned out
- 21:05Speaker 1: to be the thing that outlasted him. The case leaves
- 21:08Speaker 1: one question the record cannot answer. The twenty eleven Hardin
- 21:13Speaker 1: County complaint was closed a complainant declined to pursue it.
- 21:18Speaker 1: The identity of that person is not public. What is
- 21:21Speaker 1: public is that Ramsey continued for eight more years after
- 21:25Speaker 1: that complaint was filed, and that children were involved in
- 21:29Speaker 1: at least two prior cases. The sentence of fourteen years
- 21:34Speaker 1: addresses what happened in Aldenvale. It does not name the
- 21:37Speaker 1: people who came before. There is something in this case
- 21:41Speaker 1: that stays long after the conviction, and it has nothing
- 21:44Speaker 1: to do with Paul Ramsey. It has to do with
- 21:47Speaker 1: Marcus Webb. He was thirteen years old. He was a
- 21:51Speaker 1: child in a foster placement, which means he had already
- 21:55Speaker 1: navigated systems that most adults never touch. He sat across
- 21:59Speaker 1: from his school counselor and said what he knew. He
- 22:03Speaker 1: did not have to, he had every reason not to.
- 22:06Speaker 1: He did it anyway. The ledger was recovered, the appeal failed.
- 22:11Speaker 1: Ramsey is serving fourteen years, and somewhere in Tennessee on
- 22:15Speaker 1: a Thursday evening, Holly Paget is on the phone with
- 22:18Speaker 1: her sister. The binder that was supposed to disappear into
- 22:22Speaker 1: Saber Creek is sitting in an evidence archive in Dellard County,
- 22:26Speaker 1: thirty one pages. Every entry intact Sneakers February eighth, school
- 22:32Speaker 1: lunch account, March third, birthday cake, April eleventh. Paul Ramsey
- 22:37Speaker 1: said everyone keeps a ledger. He said he was just
- 22:40Speaker 1: the only one honest enough to write it down. He
- 22:43Speaker 1: wrote it down and it held. This show is made
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