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The Path to Enlightenment with Matthew Ferry · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to authentic living with Roxanne, a place where we have as conversations about
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  things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Hi, everyone.
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  It's, Roxanne Derhodge of authentic living with Roxanne.
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  Thanks for tuning in again this week.
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  Today I have a special glass, Matthew Ferrey.
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  Hi, Matthew.
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  How are you?
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  Hello, Roxanne.
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  Glad to be here.
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  So, Matthew and I have been trying to get together to do this podcast for a while, and
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  we're finally able to line up everybody's scheduled to do that.
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  So Matthew brings, I'm gonna say a wealth of knowledge and space that, you know, speaks to,
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  the authentic living perspective.
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  And I'll read a little bit about Matthew, and then we'll jump into it and have a a great
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  conversation.
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  He is a spiritual teacher, a sound writer, and a best selling author.
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  And for the last 26 years, he's coached thousands of top performance in a in the
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  achievements, sorry, enlightenment, achieve enlightenment prosperity.
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  His books, videos, audios, songs, and meditations, and seminars, all utilizes street
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  tested methodology called the rapid enlightenment process.
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  Well, I wanna know about that.
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  And he's also the author of Quiet Mind Epic Life an Amazon's self help and spiritual
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  bestseller in the US, Canada, Australia, and Japan.
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  Matthew and his family live in Southern California.
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  Yeah.
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  I much prefer to be there today than in Niagara Falls Canada.
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  Yes.
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  Well, it is, I'm up I'm up in the mountains right now, so it's cold and and a different
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  temperature.
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  But, yeah, down in my, yeah, down in my beach area, it's much nicer.
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  Oh, I'm sure.
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  I'm sure.
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  So So did you go to school to kind of take the path that you've taken, in your career?
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  What what give me your story about what got you, you know, in this space?
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  It started with having these really strange experiences when I was a kid about nine years
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  where I felt like I was leaving my body, and I I didn't understand what it was.
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  But I was experiencing such incredible bliss and peace that every time I went back into my
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  body, I would, you know, burst into tears of dread.
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  And it it took me on this path as a teen.
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  I was looking for that state in all the wrong places, sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
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  And then I I synced up with my father.
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  My father is actually, a long time legendary self help leader in the real estate agency
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  space.
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  And, in my work with him, he began to turn me on to all of his mentors and it was that
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  process by which, dealing with and trying to understand how do you get a person to perform
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  that I was actually able to begin to understand how do I get myself to perform?
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  How do I get back to that bliss state?
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  How do I get to that that piece and that that flow that was so palpable for me when I was
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  young.
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  And it took many decades, but Here we are today.
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  I have, over the years, developed a methodology.
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  And like you read in my bio, it's street tested, meaning I didn't I didn't go to school.
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  I didn't study.
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  I didn't I didn't do any of that.
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  I actually, was working with tens of thousands of people in either one on one sessions or
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  group sessions working to see if I could get them to begin to do what they say they wanted
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  to do, which turns out, you could either do that because you're angry that life is the way
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  it is, or you can do that because you're inspired by what you want to do more more of an
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  authentic path.
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  And I gravitated towards that authenticity.
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  Ultimately, I developed something called the rapid enlightenment process, which is a process
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  by which over a very short period of time, your mind goes quiet and you have profound
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  revelations of the oneness that we all are.
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  Amazing.
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  So your dad is Tom Perry?
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  But that's my brother.
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  My dad is Mike Ferrey, actually.
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  My brother.
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  Oh my god.
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  Okay.
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  So I gotta tell you this is so fun.
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  Because I was looking at your name, and I kept saying is it's not fairies and Mike Fair.
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  And I I kept getting stuck and, like, it's not Matthew.
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  So I sold real estate I was, right out of university, 1st job.
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  I don't know about the choice, but anyway, and your dad's trainings back then.
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  Of course.
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  That's amazing.
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  Well, you know, you can imagine if you are if you're the the son of the of the real estate
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  sales training guru, he, you know, he literally just kept feeding us books audios, seminars,
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  consultants.
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  I mean, we just we never stopped.
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  And, ultimately, for me, And about 1999, I started to realize there's something else going
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  on with me.
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  I'm not I'm not jiving with this idea of make money just to make money or be successful just
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  to be successful.
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  I started to have these experiences where I was like, Well, what do I think that the money and
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  the success is gonna give me?
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  I think it's gonna give me more peace and flow and options and and prosperity, and I I just
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  was pulled to why not have that experience now?
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  And that really led me on a a much more of a spiritual path
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  compared to the the sales training world, which is nothing or, obviously, people need to be
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  connected in a into why they're doing what they're doing, but on a, you know, it's
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  interesting because I, you know, went to school for psychology, went into sales, grew up in a
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  sales family, And then I went back to grad school, and then I shifted out of sales, and
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  then it ended up in, doing, you know, obviously, frontline work, and then ended up
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  kind of in a combination of, business and, again, now the authenticity.
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  So is it not interesting how that path kind of leads you regardless of your background?
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  Yeah.
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  I I find that people like you and I are, we can't escape our own propensity to do inner
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  work and discover the way to experience the most satisfaction possible in our lives.
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  And and that's unique.
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  It's what I find is that when I try to speak to someone about externalized, a satisfaction,
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  optimizing the environment and making a lot of money.
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  It always leads me back to and you'll be there and your life still suck because you'll suck on
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  the inside.
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  So now we're in trouble.
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  So I'm curious.
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  Let's go back to the nine year old because I'm gonna say, you know, that nine year old had
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  something figured out that most, I think most children, and I don't know if you would agree
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  with this, Matthew, come into it with that space.
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  And what happens is not life kinda knocks it out of them.
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  And then they, you know, either go into, you know, a situation where they have to kinda have
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  that conversation with themselves about where am I going, and they either go left or right.
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  So let's talk about that nine year old in he was experiencing.
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  Like you said, where you drop back into your body and you said, I don't like this.
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  What is that?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I think that the that that that particular nine year old is, I mean, it's very
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  accidental.
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  Right?
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  There wasn't I wasn't intentionally trying to do anything.
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  But I would be reading books.
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  I had asthma at the time, and my mom would make me these little makeshift asthma tents
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  underneath the kitchen table.
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  And so it's like blankets, a little bed underneath, the humidifier, a light, and a
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  book.
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  Right?
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  And and, you know, that combination of things, the of the humidifier would just put me into
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  these trance like states.
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  I'm I'm recalling now.
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  Right?
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  I don't actually know.
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  But these trance like states where all of a sudden I'd be looking at the book.
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  And next thing you know, the book was a 100 feet below me.
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  And so was my body and the table, and it just I'd go into these incredible, you know,
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  existential states.
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  And I think the thing for me was at that time, I I really recognized that the rules that we
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  all follow are not real and that and that the rules themselves were limiters.
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  And now I was 9.
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  Right?
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  What do you do about it?
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  Nothing.
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  And who can you tell?
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  No one.
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  But it it it really guided me and, you know, the the people who follow my work, called
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  themselves spiritual hooligans.
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  And, we're spiritual hooligans because we look at the playing field of of life and we look for
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  those rules that actually limit our self expression and limit our creativity and limit
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  our chutzpah and limit our joy and we intentionally break those rules.
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  We're we're basically being hooligans.
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  And, and I think that that the inspiration at 9 helped me to see that.
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  Ultimately, I I would say if I had to sum up what I was experiencing at that time, I I sum
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  it up in my book and I just say that enlightenment, is the recognition that the
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  source of life for you is the source of life for everyone and everything.
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  That we're all one thing expressing itself with infinite variety.
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  Mhmm.
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  And when you connect with that idea, So you just automatically, like, and you're more free.
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  It's really, really powerful.
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  Right.
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  Because, you know, and then this is like something that I know I've experienced over and
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  over again, like, in in kind of the path that I took.
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  I I grew up in Trinidad, was a very connected small community, and it was all about that
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  stuff.
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  But as life goes, like you said, you kinda, you know, you go into the systems, and I went into
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  the, you know, private school systems, academics, all those things.
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  And so, you know, I you're you're from the lane.
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  You either from the lane or you're in trouble.
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  Right?
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  And, so I found the lane quite early, and then kind of started to do things wrote, but at some
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  point, you know, in your lives, because I always go with adversity, comes that reality
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  that you gotta do something.
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  And, you know, about 10 years ago was when I stopped you know, and started to reflect on
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  things about what why am I doing what I'm doing?
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  You know, even though I was, yeah, even though I was I I was in psychotherapy in those things,
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  but there was other things in my life where eventually I started to, develop a practice of
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  slowing down the things that I was teaching, I eventually, started to listen to to lots of
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  things that allowed me to really come back into that space like you talk about to really you
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  know, what what is my imprint gonna be like when I am no longer, and how am I gonna use the
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  gifts that I've been given you know, to help those around me.
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  And that's kinda when I made a a huge shift in my life.
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  Yeah.
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  For me, it it was it began with this idea that there was talking in my head that didn't care
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  about me.
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  And I called that talking the drunk monkey, and that was, you know, probably when I was twenty
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  years older.
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  So I I started to have this awakening to that my mind is not my friend.
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  It doesn't care about me.
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  It doesn't like me most of the time.
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  It's incredibly judgmental.
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  And it took me, the better part of a decade to really get a handle on the functionality.
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  Like, what is the mind doing exactly?
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  That then led to a breakthrough.
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  I started following, a teacher named Doctor David Hawkins who wrote a book called Power
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  Versus Force.
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  And I was I was working on his muscle testing methodology.
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  It was a a methodology based on applied kinesiology.
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  And he was tracking the levels of consciousness.
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  So he was a psychotherapist who became, obsessed with this muscle testing phenomenon
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  and how it overlaid with, psychology and states of being.
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  For me though, while that was interesting, what was far more interesting to me was that certain
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  phrases or words or ideas strengthen the body.
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  And certain phrases, words, or ideas weakened the body.
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  And I began to draw a conclusion that the the phrases that strengthen your body typically
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  imply that all is well.
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  Mhmm.
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  That life is good And the phrases that weakened the body typically implied some kind of
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  survival state, and they weakened the body, and then they caused the mind to talk.
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  So that if you began to optimize your life towards this, set of what I would call
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  enlightened perspectives, perspectives that imply that all is well and strengthen the body,
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  then suddenly your mind would go quiet because your mind talks when a threat is present, which
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  is shocking for most people because they're like, my mind is always talking.
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  And I and I say, I know a threat is always present, even though you're living a life where
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  pretty much what's gonna kill you is what you eat and stressing out.
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  Right.
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  5 flight or freeze, and most people live in state, Matthew.
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  And, unfortunately, they're not aware, you know, that they're in that state and the
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  opposite of that, and I'm gonna gonna sound very boo boo, but it's it's a lot if you really
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  believe that, you know, we are infinite energy and we are 1, and we are all really that space
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  of love, you're shifting.
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  It's it's kinda like, you know, that Japanese, researcher that use the water.
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  I don't know the actual name of it.
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  Have you ever seen
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  Of course.
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  Yeah.
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  The messages and water.
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  Yeah.
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  And and, you know, and then you'd be like, am I seeing these things, or is it really happening,
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  right, that the power of words and, like you're saying, like, when, you know, this particular
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  is a David Hawkins?
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  Yeah.
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  David.
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  Yeah.
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  David Hawkins.
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  Yeah.
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  And that the reality is that you can impact the strength and parts of your body versus or you
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  can talk to water, and it can turn, you know, horribly, you know, into decrepit things, and
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  then you can say fantastic things to water.
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  And you get these phenomenal fractals of of of, you know, things that get created.
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  You're like, how is this possible?
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  Well, you might consider the ideas of entropy and entropy.
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  So entropy is going to be that creative force that is driving us towards greater states of
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  complexity, efficiency, empowerment and then entropy, of course, is the destructive force,
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  which is degrading everything back to its base state.
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  And certain certain ideas, though unprovable are strengthening.
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  So for example, the idea that I am an infinite being while it might be woo woo, it certainly
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  is unprovable.
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  It is not its conjecture but what you'll find is, my life ends when I die is also you have no
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  idea.
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  You don't know either.
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  Right?
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  You you don't know either one, but the arrogant drunk monkey in our head is it pretends like
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  it's the ruler of the universe.
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  And that it knows what is right and wrong and good and bad, and it doesn't.
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  They're all estimates.
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  And so the method that I've developed contains within one of the components is this idea of
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  let's let's just put them to the test.
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  If if I can't prove it, does it at least strengthen me?
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  Because if it strengthens me, then I go into a more free state because I'm empowered if it
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  weakens me, then I go into a threat state and and now I am disempowered.
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  And so for me, it was understanding the drunk monkey in my head.
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  Then I began to figure out, well, what are what are these enlightened perspectives that imply
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  that all is well.
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  Then I, in that process, I began to discern that there's a collection of modes of
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  motivation for thinking that get the drunk monkey to talk.
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  And I called the I call these things the the, hidden motives to survive.
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  And the hidden motives, greed, grudge, hatred victim, illogical rules, humble trader pride,
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  greed, resistance, lazy, these, these motivations are in all of us.
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  And when one of them is present, the mind talks.
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  And when one of them is present, it implies that something is wrong and that you need to
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  change something.
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  It implies that you are in some way threatened and it weakens the system.
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  So it's part of the method.
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  You gotta be able to see the drunk monkey.
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  You have to be able to see the hidden motives.
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  You begin to connect with these enlightened perspectives And then the last thing is a a,
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  you know, pretty typical thing that we all do in our psychological process, which would be to
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  recontextualize So you you take the context of the situation, you turn it on its ear, and you
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  find the way to to to experience it in a more strengthened empowered fashion.
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  So recontextualization is the skill of describing the conditions and stances of your
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  life in a way that creates an empowering reality for you.
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  It's kinda like, if you're gonna make things up, you might as well make things up to feel
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  good.
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  Why not pick the good versus the bad?
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  Right?
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  Like, I mean,
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  I I You're making up anyway.
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  So is that the process that, tell us, is this does is that the kind of the description of the
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  process that you developed?
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  Yes.
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  That's so that would be the rapid enlightenment process.
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  Okay.
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  And and the rapid alignment process very, very quickly gets people into a more peaceful quiet
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  state.
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  And then they experience all the things that that you like to talk about, the creativity,
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  the hutzpah, the resourcefulness, the the authenticity, the bravery, the courage.
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  Although that stuff just happens naturally when you transcend the illusion that you need to fit
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  in or look good or be right or be smart or be a part of the group when you realize that none of
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  those things are even important anymore.
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  When you've seen what we've gone through in the last little while with the state that the world
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  is in, what do you think has happened to the world around the uncertainty with the pandemic?
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  Tell me your, you know, with your with your coaching and your speaking, what have you been
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  experiencing based on what you just told me about process.
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  100% of the clients that that we've been working with in our Ignite mastermind,
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  specifically.
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  That's the way the way that we work with people.
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  100% of the people that we've been working with have experienced an acceleration during this
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  breakdown.
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  And and the reason being is that breakdown is the beginning of breakthrough.
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  That the world itself is actually on track for an extraordinary leap in our consciousness, our
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  kindness, our unity, our oneness, and what always precedes that in evolution is the fight
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  back from the old.
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  And we can see the virus, of course, is one thing, but the virus is really just one
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  component of the shenanigans that are going on in the world and and what you see is a bunch of
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  old people who are fighting for separateness and, and protectionism, and and they should do
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  that.
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  And then you have a bunch of young people who are like, this is BS.
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  And they're just waiting for the old people to die off or they're waiting for them to, you
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  know, move over, but we're seeing this tidal wave all around the world of people like you
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  and I and our listener waking up and saying, oh, wow.
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  I thought we were already on track for kindness and unity and oneness and love and cooperation
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  turns out we aren't.
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  I need to wake up and maybe do something about it.
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  Right.
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  And so you see the advertising and the and the grassroots movements to to really increase the
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  amount of of unity and world level cooperation that are springing up and, of course, they're
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  being massively opposed.
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  And the virus is just what a what a phenomenal spark to bring this to light.
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  So do we want the virus?
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  Do we want people to die?
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  No.
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  Of course not.
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  But break down is the beginning of breakthrough.
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  They're the 2 they're the same thing.
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  They're just a different place on the timeline.
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  The breakthrough is common.
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  Absolutely.
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  So for people listening, right, like leaders and, you know, the average person that just
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  listening and going, okay, Matthew.
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  Okay.
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  So, like, what do I do now?
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  I've I've struggled with the, you call it the drunken monkey, right?
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  Yeah.
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  In my head.
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  Yeah.
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  Mine's the wrong mine's the wrong, pronunciation.
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  The drunk monkey back then.
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  I didn't I I I don't do well in English.
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  You know, what do you tell them to do?
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  Like, you know, because, you know, a lot of people, I have had people experience exactly
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  what you're saying and they're they're enlightened and they're, you know, making
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  connections at so much of a more found level and they're rethinking their values and their
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  alignment.
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  And then there's other people that are, you know, drinking more and getting in more
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  destructive situations, all those things.
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  Right?
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  Those are also good situations to be in because they're leading to something.
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  Yeah.
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  But, you know, if we if we are talking to the person who is in a destructive state, you know,
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  step 1 is embrace it.
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  Embrace the destruction, embrace your your down cycle, and just admit, we all go up and down.
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  We all have up cycles and down cycles, And if you're experiencing that right now, don't
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  resist.
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  Just be in it.
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  Be be fully in it.
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  Drink as much as you can.
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  Be completely out of control and embrace the negativity because what you'll find is the
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  fastest way to positivity is to embrace negativity.
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  So and then deal with your worst case scenario.
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  This is so these are these are coming from in my in my free app that our listener could
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  download that is just my name, Matthew Ferrey.
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  I give them a 23 day little daily practice, little bites that they can take on for 23
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  straight days.
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  And one of those daily practices is to actually accept the worst case scenario.
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  Because what I find is is that negativity is the way to positivity and that if you just try
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  and be positive on top of the negativity, it's like slathering a mud pie over the you know,
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  ice cream over a mud pie, you still got a mud pie.
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  And and it and you're like a you're like a rose garden with a sewer underneath.
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  I mean, you look beautiful from far away.
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  You're all positive.
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  But when people get up close, they can really smell the seething cesspool.
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  Mhmm.
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  So you deal with the worst case scenario that you're that you're probably avoiding that is
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  bringing resistance and negativity to you.
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  You you actually address it You make a plan for it.
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  You decide if the absolute worst horrific most nightmares thing happens to me.
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  This is what I'm gonna do.
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  ABC, D, and E.
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  You don't try to avoid it.
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  You actually say, this is my plan if it happens because typically there's something opposing
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  underneath.
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  You have something uh-uh that you're avoiding and that's driving this destruction.
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  But once you do that, once you face the worst case scenario, what you'll find is it it it's
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  like it just lets off some of the steam and you go into a much more peaceful state, which then
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  opens up your creativity.
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  And next thing you're like, well, wait a second.
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  You know, do I really wanna go to that worst case?
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  No.
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  And you're and you've yeah.
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  Suddenly you have some authentic creative moves that you can make.
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  Absolutely.
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  So going, you know, instead of resisting, just sit with it and, you know, make it exponential
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  in sometimes, and that's, you know, that's an internalizing therapy technique you're talking
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  about to some degree.
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  Right?
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  Like, make it worse, sit there, you know, and then, you know, and then when you realize
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  another thing that sometimes is used is you have people flip a coin.
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  It's some it's that simple.
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  Right?
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  And you say on the days that you get heads, you've gotta have a great day.
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  On the days you have tails, but have a horrible day.
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  Guess what happens?
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  People come back and they go, having the horrible days it's too much work.
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  I prefer the better days.
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  Right?
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  So it's interesting, you know, talking about that scenario because it intuitively, I think
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  if you're able to sit in that space, you, you, you come to a different, recognition of what
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  you're experiencing.
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  But like you said, most people, they're they're hovering and they're not looking below to see
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  what's perpetuating, things that need to be shifted.
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  And I suspect that your listener is more geared towards looking internal and trying to discover
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  what's going on with them.
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  I think for the for the average person, you know, there's just so much complexity in what
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  we get told to do.
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  And what I have what I've always tried to do is just make it as simple as you possibly can.
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  I mean, you you went to all my father's trainings as a real estate agent or listened to
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  him, and, you know, I was trained to simplify everything.
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  And my goal was to simplify these speed at which one could get to peace.
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  Thus, the rapid enlightenment process.
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  It sounds it sounds to me, Nava, I'm gonna to try it because it sounds
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  Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna send you a book.
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  So after we get done with this, I'll I'll I'll get your address and send you one.
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  Fantastic.
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  So this has been a pleasure, Matthew.
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  What I want people to know is that change is possible.
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  Right?
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  And we all every single day that we open our eyes, we have the ability to make a formation.
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  And things may seem difficult, but it it becomes incremental, or you can do it quickly,
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  or you can kinda sit on it.
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  You just have to decide.
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  What am I gonna do?
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  Today is a new day.
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  I'm gonna make a a difference.
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  So, Matthew, again, tell them where they can get this, download and for anywhere people that
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  are looking that might wanna work with you or, have you speak that they can connect with you?
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  Just go to matthewberry.com.
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  There's a, there's a button that you can press or a link for the app.
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  If you wanna get the app directly, you can just go matthewferry.comforward/app.
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  And love to be in your life and help you go through this process of getting into a joyous
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  peaceful authentic place.
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  Thanks so much again for your time.
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  So everybody go out and get the app because it sounds quite fascinating.
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  And if if you're wanting more information on authenticity at home or at work, reach out to
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  me at Roxanne.
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