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- speaker-0: Welcome to More Organized Less Clutter, a podcast to empower individuals and neurodivergent families with practical, realistic tools to create a more organized, sensory-friendly, clutter-free, and intentional home that works with your lifestyle and brain, not against it. I'm Norelle King, a professional organizer and neurodivergent mum who understands the unique challenges of family life. I help people just like you simplify your space. Build sustainable organizational systems and create more breathing room physically and mentally. Every fortnight you'll hear solo episodes and guest conversations filled with practical strategies on decluttering, home organization, routines for neurodivergent families, mindful living, and how to build a home that feels safe, calm and functional. You'll walk away with actionable takeaways you can implement even if you only have 10 minutes to spare. Have you ever opened your wardrobe and thought, how do I have so many clothes but still have nothing to wear? Maybe your wardrobe feels overcrowded, you can't see what you own, clothes keep ending up on the floor or the chair, or your beautiful organized drawers somehow just become messy again. In today's more organized, less clutter podcast episode, Julie from the Decluttering Co. and I actually talk in a conversation style podcast episode. about simple practical ways to fix some of these common wardrobe problems and also create some better storage and visibility without overhauling the whole wardrobe. So if you're struggling with an overcrowded wardrobe, messy clothes, poor visibility, or a storage system that just doesn't seem to stay organized, listen to the rest of this episode for practical wardrobe organization tips you can start using today. Let's jump into this more organized less clutter conversation with Julie from Declutter Co. to fix common wardrobe problems and create better storage and visibility in your wardrobe. Today a more organized less clutter. Julie from Decluttering Co. is joining me. She's a professional organizer based in Melbourne, and we're going to have a chat about four common problems we both see with wardrobes and clothing storage, and maybe also a couple of strategies to help you. Welcome, Julie. speaker-1: Hi Norrell, how are you? speaker-0: I'm good. It's so great to have you and to be able to chat about this rather than like an interview type thing. I want us to just share our experiences as professional organizers and what we see. But first, so people can get to know you, what two accessories would you come with if you were a Barbie dog? Yeah. speaker-1: Good question. Look, I'm not a huge sort of Barbie person, but kind of on theme, but also true to me, would be the dream Barbie closet. Just because my wardrobes are a little bit lackluster compared to some of the amazing wardrobes I see. And yeah, it'd be just nice to have all the different folding spots and the hanging spots and all the different options. And of course, with the matchy matchy coat hangers. speaker-0: Yeah, so that shows you do love the look of things as well. Even though if people go to your Instagram profile, that is not your business, is not we're gonna build a pantry that's looking stunning. It's about the functionality, isn't it? speaker-1: And there is sort of a balance between that. And it's sometimes I sort of yeah, feel like I'm a little bit stuck between two things. To me, just the visuals of uniformity really calm me. But it's not something that I push on clients at all. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Talk to them about what helps them. I always work with what they've got. And if they sort of express that they want to get new hangers, then I might have some recommendations for them. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, same. If we can use what we've got, because being a professional organizer, how much do we see that's being, you know, let go and taken to op shops and even just going into hard rubbishes? speaker-1: well. Yeah, I think like the first step is just just decluttering and getting things out. Getting matchy matchy hangers and getting the containers. That's that's the fun part. Like speaker-0: Yeah, definitely. So the problems that you see. So when we get clients, we get, you know, the referral comes through. What's some of the common problems that you find that people say they have with their wardrobe and clothes? speaker-1: Yeah, like just that sort of common thing it's overstuffed, but I've got nothing to wear. So lack of access to the things they want. And sometimes they don't even articulate it this way, but the wardrobe doesn't match their lifestyle. Yeah, does sort of evening gowns and their wedding dress taking up prime real estate and they're tripping over all this stuff just to get dressed in the morning. Yeah. speaker-0: It just takes that fresh eyes to ask them a few questions, isn't it? speaker-1: Sort of say, Why is that there? speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. And even just so it's wardrobe like requiring too many steps to put things away. You know, you like you said, I've seen that so many times. The wedding dress is right there in front and center and the work clothes that they're wearing are at the other end of the wardrobe that they've got to go all the way down and get through to and so then they may find that they're just wearing the same thing over and over, isn't it? speaker-1: Yeah, just getting it out of the wash and putting it on. And that's another common qu question that I get is what do I do with the thing that I've worn once and it's not ready for the wash? speaker-0: And that's definitely. speaker-1: Drobe or floor drove or whatever. What's a alternative? Yeah, what's a speaker-0: And I've heard professional organizers say, just put it back with the other clothes. But for certain people, they can't do that. Like that is really, really difficult to put those items back. So what how can we find a solution to help them manage that situation as well? speaker-1: That's right. And I I personally can't put them back in my wardrobe either. Because I feel like I'll lose track of how many times I've worn it and it somehow taints the other clothes. I know that's a bit silly, but but yeah, I just want to know that I've yeah, that I've already worn it, that it's it needs to be somewhere else for sure. speaker-0: Yeah. And same, same the same, which is why I think I understand it and don't try to force, just put it back with all the other clothes. The other thing would be design of wardrobe. So, you know, we have both client clients who are renting, but then we have our clients who own the house. I find I also get, how can I utilize this space? I have no idea what I what I should be putting in here or not, or where should I fold and where should I hang things. Yeah. speaker-1: And some clients they just they've just never even thought about things like, Well, do you like folding clothes or do you like hanging them? If you had your ideal world, what would be your go to? It's gonna be and people sort of scratch their heads and go, Yeah, I don't know. speaker-0: I love that when we work with clients and you ask them a question and they're just sort of like, I don't know, I've never thought about that before. And it's like, take your time, have a think about it for once and then and go from there. So let's start with problem one. This is so I did ask a few people and then I also went back through our service mate that we used to see what the common problems were that people actually said. And these were the four common. So the first one is you can't see what they own. So in their wardrobe, they're like, I I just can't see them. So what are some of the common signs that you think from that? Like what are the reasons why? Obviously we covered that first one, is that they've put them in the wrong spot. Like they're putting items like wedding dresses right there in their prime real estate. speaker-1: Yeah, I think that's a big one is about what's your prime real estate and what have what do you got that's in the way of what you want to be seeing and accessing. So it's it always to me comes down to decluttering first. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. And also like they forget what you're own. Like how many times do you hear people when they get it out, you get it out to declutter and they say, I forgot I had that or I I I can't I thought I'd let that go, but here it is and I really do want to wear that again. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. And it's just going back to the decluttering thing, it's just volume is is really the enemy of organizing. So if you've got too much stuff squashed into a space or put in various, you know, non high real estate areas, then you're just not gonna see it. You you can't see a thousand garments at once. So it's about prioritizing yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, definitely. So it's like looking at those items that you use all the time because you want to put them there so that you can actually see them. So if if you if you're working five days a week, you actually want your work clothes right there in front of you so you can see them rather than those nice gowns that you're only wearing maybe once a year or twice a year. speaker-1: That's right. And things that you can't have in that prime real estate, maybe they could be labelled in a box or so that so that you know, that's where my active wear is or that's where my wedding dress is or whatever. you don't have to be, yeah, visually looking at it, but you can at least see the labels and get familiar with those other out of reach storage spots. speaker-0: Yeah, I know for me I have a box with fascinators and I haven't worn a fascinator to the races for years. But I know that there'll be one day that I'll need again and I've got about three of And I know my daughter will probably she's nearly eighteen, be next to you saying, I want to go to the races, Mum. Do you have one of the fascinators? So they're speaker-1: yeah. speaker-0: in a box, but they're up really high and I just know they're there. They actually do have a label because I will forget otherwise. Yeah. speaker-1: Perfect. And if if they were hanging off your mirror or whatever, they'd just be all dusty and at least they're they're being well looked after and you know where they are. speaker-0: Yeah, definitely. I like that, that you need to move up higher. so you can see it. You also said you said about box like baskets or boxes, containers. It's and for me I find that the more like opaque for some people it's just not gonna work, are they? Like it needs to be yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, I agree. That sort of object permanence sort of stuff for sure. But people also tell me well what resonate resonates with me though is if everything's clear, if all your your types are clear, it is a lot of visual noise for your brain to process. And I find that quite stressful as well. So I'd sort of say I like personally I prefer an opaque box with a label and really good sort of categorizations as opposed to everything being clear. But I know, yeah, I I would all always ask the client. What do they think? Like, are they comfortable? Do they like the idea of clear containers or you know? speaker-0: think that's something that again is the one of those questions that they just sometimes just presume, I saw it on you know, on Instagram and TikTok people had all these clear containers. I thought that was the only way to sort of do it. Yeah. Or they saw it with cane baskets and you're like, you don't have to use that. You can do whichever's gonna suit you really. speaker-1: Yeah, that's right. That's right. I think a good label in theory is a nice alternative to a clear container and probably a little bit calming, but but again, our brains are all different. So yeah, it's sort of like, what do you think? That's what I say to the client. What would you prefer? And they've usually got an answer like once they think about it, which is great. speaker-0: Yeah. They do because they've just maybe never really thought about it before. So it's us putting those questions to them. Yeah. So the problem two that comes up, clothes keep falling over or just getting messy. Yes. Is something that we hear all the time. It's like the system only works when they're having a good day. And so it's like you're having a bad day, but this isn't working. You're you've got a pile of t-shirts and you're pulling that pink one from the bottom and then they're all fallen down and you don't have time to put them all back. And so it's looking at that system, isn't it? Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, I think like the a lot of the some more more modern wardrobes have those that open shelving that's kind of stacked next to the hanging space. And I think drawers would probably be better than those, but as a good replacement for drawers would be just tubs that you can pull out, which kind of act like a drawer anyway. And that way, you know, rather than than stacking all your t shirts in that open space, which is so prone to mess and disorder, if you've got a tub. You d you don't you're not looking at that folded or unfolded sort of chaos. And it doesn't matter if you don't fold your t shirts, you can just shove them in the tub. And again, it works a lot better if you if it's not overstuffed. speaker-0: Yeah, definitely. Which comes back to decluttering, doesn't it? speaker-1: Exactly. So five T shirts in a big tub, if if they're not folded, they're probably not even going to get creased. But if you're trying to cram like twenty t-shirts in, then your systems become a lot more important. So I sort of say for the for the lazy girl, yeah, have as few t-shirts as you think you can deal with. And then you don't have to be super neat. You get your tub, you chuck it in, you put it put it in, and you're not seeing any disorder. You've got your label there, so you know what's in there. speaker-0: Yeah, definitely. I'm also it depends on the item because I do like my f folded t shirts. But things like like pajamas and active wear. Yeah. I don't care. They're not they they actually are wrinkle free anyway. So I just it's great to just to be able to throw them in. Yes. it's one less step, isn't it? It's like reducing those steps. speaker-1: Definitely, definitely. Because the more steps there are, the less likely people are gonna do it. speaker-0: Yeah. I know it yeah, ideally. So if you had an ideal rewardraid, would you take all of the shelving out and replace that with drawers? speaker-1: So, like there's the open shelving is probably really only good for things like maybe your perfumes or your cosmetics. But yeah, for clothes, I don't really see a practical reason to have open shelving. Do you Nora? speaker-0: No, no, I usually change it by putting I've got a lady actually from yesterday and she sent me measurements and everything and I said, I suppose the next cause she said I want drawers, but she's not going to go and put four more drawers in there was the replacement from Kmart. They're like the clear plastic drawers. And I measured them and I sent her, you can have the 21 liter or you can have the two of these on top, which would fit if we moved the shelves. So that was my alternative for her because she wanted a drawer. But yeah, there was it was and it's a brand new house. And she was like, Well, I should have probably got you in to have a look and decide before we I did them. Yeah, yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, I wonder what those open shelvings were actually designed for. I guess they were designed for the perfect person who folds everything and makes it look beautiful, like in the IKEA catalogue, but real people don't look like that, right? speaker-0: But even if you do, I still like would like trying to grab that bottom jumper, you're still gonna have to put it together, right? Put back up nicely. speaker-1: 'Cause if you think about sort of the iconic Mari Kondo folding, the file folding, that doesn't work in those open spaces anyway. You need something yeah. speaker-0: I need some sort of container to go for them to go in. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. So problem three is you don't have enough hanging space, is what the client will come to me and say, Do you hear this one? And it's not actually, I don't know, do you really need to be hanging all of those clothes is probably the first question which I would ask. What about yourself? speaker-1: Yeah, I'd just say, well, looking at the hanging stuff, what can we fold? Like we're not going to be folding blazers or evening gowns, but we could fold the t-shirts or the long sleeve t-shirts, the jumpers, the you know, knitwear, that kind of thing. So just looking at what can we fold in here. Some people like those hanging shelves. Personally, I'm not a fan. speaker-0: I took one out this week. I said, How about we take this out, which had shoes in it, and that would double your hanging space And she just went, my goodness, that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, let's just get rid of it. speaker-1: So that tha I mean, that's a solution some people would use. I just don't like the look of them. They always end up saggy and yeah, I'm just gonna say Yeah, I'd look around and say, What drawers have we got? What can we put in the drawers that's currently hanging? And yeah, how would you feel about that? Knitwear, I mean, doesn't it's probably better off folded than than hung anyway, in terms of, you know, the shoulder nipples and all of that. So speaker-0: Yeah. And especially if it's a chunky knit. Yeah. Whereas I don't mind hanging my like softer knits yeah on the sort of like a flock coat hanger. But yeah. And but the kids, that's the only time I'll ever use those squares, the hanging squares, is for say little kids who have got school uniform because it's easy for them to get and it doesn't like they're not pulling out the bottom thing. It's like all the t shirts are there, so it doesn't matter which one you grab. All the shorts are together. But that's about the only time I ever sort of use them. But I do love adding a extra hanging if the person's clothes are like, you know, like it's they're not long dresses that they're wearing. So I had a client recently and it was it was a teen and she loves wearing her pajamas. And she has them in drawers. And I was like, why don't we just another we took out all those shelves and we put two hanging rails and so her pajamas were hanging and all of her t-shirts were then hanging instead. speaker-1: So you mean the the secondary hanging rail that hooks onto it? Yeah. speaker-0: I actually put it in the wardrobe. I actually cut the steel and MITA ten has them, the little attachments and you can put on the end and I attached so there was now two hanging rails. Because the pajamas were quite short and the T shirts were short, so that looks it looks so much better. speaker-1: Perfect. Yeah, I'll have to look into that. You're so DIY, I love that Noel. speaker-0: I do like DOI. speaker-1: Yeah, I love it. speaker-0: And I suppose it's looking at the categories, isn't it? Like how much space, once you've got got them together, like grouped together, it might be like your work clothes or your weekend clothes, like how many are we looking at is in the space of it? speaker-1: Yeah, totally. That's where you always declutter first and then look at the categories and and make a solution. But even on the work clothes front, like it they've changed so much since since dare I say, since COVID that there's there's not really as much for most of us the division with work and and leisure now, you know? Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. I like to do it, but because I just don't I feel like I'm going to work if I wear even now I can't even wear a night like a green khaki type t shirt on the weekend because I just feel like I'm going to work. speaker-1: Yeah, the mental kind of division between work and leisure, yeah, that makes total sense for sure. speaker-0: I suppose it depends on the jobs that you the job that you do. But yeah, definitely I like I like the division between my work clothes and my weekend clothes. So I feel like I'm on the weekend. speaker-1: Yeah, fair. Yeah. speaker-0: So what about the last one is clothes end up on the floor or chair, which you did mention that is definitely one that people come to us all the time. So what do you think is the reason for this? Well speaker-1: Again, like I said, it's it's it's probably things that they've worn once or lightly worn and don't want to contaminate the wardrobe. Yeah. Or forget they've worn them. And sometimes it's just honestly people's dirty clothes. And I'll just say, like, could we put a laundry basket in here? Because it's just as easy to put in a laundry basket as on the floor, pretty much. Yeah, so looking around at things like that, taking like you said, taking out all those steps. If the laundry basket is in the laundry, they're just not gonna do it. speaker-0: My kids are speaker-1: Very easy to sort of say, you just need to take them to the laundry, but if they've lived this way for so long and they're not taking to taking them to the laundry, they're probably not going to. So you just gotta work with the habits that are already in place as well as and just try to improve the environment to suit that. speaker-0: Yeah. And and like I don't know about you, but when I go to say, do a like a planning session and meet someone, I'm like, please don't tidy it up. Just leave it as it is currently that's where all the clues are. The clues are where the c the the items are lying, aren't they? speaker-1: Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, because we want to create solutions that stick. speaker-0: Mm, yeah. Yeah. I d and it's funny because you'll be like, All right. So you usually take your clothes off over here and they're like, Yeah, how did you know? And I'm like, 'Cause the pile there is like a whole lot of pajamas. And then where you go over here, so maybe we should put the washing basket and the washing baskets on the opposite corner, completely empty. It's like, what about if we just move the washing basket to here? speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: right. Yeah. Okay. That could be a good solution. So speaker-1: Little tiny little tweaks like that. Sometimes speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. speaker-1: it feels a bit in invasive saying, Well, where are you when you get dressed? Yes. But then I always say, there's a reason for this question of not being a leader. Yeah. speaker-0: And then I suppose it's also like that, is there too many steps for putting away the clothes? Like sometimes I I don't know about you, but you f see that they're washing baskets there of all clean clothes. And it's like a case of why is this not going away? Yeah. and it's even like, can you go start show me if you were to put it away? And then it's like, well, I can't put those clothes away because the drawers have such and such in front of it. And until that stuff is moved, I can't actually put all those clothes away. So it's like so you're gonna live out of that washing basket until, you know, that other problem's solved first, isn't it? speaker-1: Yeah, that's right. And that again comes down to clutter where yeah, having things in front of a drawer or in front of a a door is another step again. But I've had clients where they tend to wear a lot of leisure wear, that's sort of the same thing over and over, living out of the laundry basket, as you know, like you said. And I've just devised what I call a cozy box. And it could just live under the bed and it's all their everyday wear. It's not folded. They just chuck it in there and just pull it out. just trackies and things like that. You know, some people just live live in that sort of stuff. Like it doesn't really doesn't really need to be put away in categories. It's just their high access stuff. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. I like that. The the cozy box. So I like that name. I'll be using it with a client who I just called it the loungewear. The lounge I just said it speaker-1: I could have stolen from somewhere but I'm pretty sure I just made that up. speaker-0: I love that. Cause I said to her, let's create like a box for loungewear. 'Cause she had these things mixed in with all the other categories, but she was like, but I only wear that at home and I was like, Let's just put all these clothes and look how many there are. but I'm gonna be sharing that with her, the cozy box for it. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, nice. Especially people who work from home a lot and they're just not wearing, you know, a huge variety of stuff. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. So what about people? Do you have solutions that you suggest for the people who do though want somewhere to put the clothes that shouldn't don't want to go back in the wardrobe yet? Where do you have ideas? What do you speaker-1: use. For me personally, I love the over-the-door hooks. You can get sort of a row of four and it can either either go on your bedroom door, a wardrobe door if you've got the actual pull-out wardrobe doors, not the sliding ones. That's what I use personally and I really like them. But some people have a lot of lightly worn clothing. Like I've got a client and she has more lightly worn clothing than actual plain clothing. Which to me I kind of think wow, maybe we need a higher turnover of the lightly worn clothing. But anyway. As I said, we've got to work with what they're already doing, not sort of change their lifestyle. So the hooks, that's probably what I suggest the most. Don't really love a chair, but I guess it I I guess it does have a purpose. speaker-0: It does, doesn't it? I at the minute I have put a it's like an old fashioned sort of ta towel rail in my daughter's room for her to speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: throw the clothes because I knew she wouldn't hang them. But I was like, if you just throw them over it, then you know which ones are which. speaker-1: They're off they're off the floor. speaker-0: They're off the floor. I yeah, because also we, you know, tend to get spiders and things like that. So I'm just like, you need it off the floor. Yeah. Recently I did put hooks on a like teen's wall as well for her. So her they're like decorative hooks on the back of a door on the wall but behind the door. And she was gonna try that. and what was like a cat hat stand as well. I've used with clients as well for who d just to hang over that hook. Like it's more they don't have the excess. Like it wouldn't work with someone like you were describing before who has More lightly worn cleanse than clean clothes. Yeah. But definitely for someone who has, you know, just a few things that they know they might wear the next weekend or during the week. Yeah, for sure. speaker-1: there's there's a thing called a valet and it's it's it's like a little stand for, you know, one or two sets of clothes. yeah. That's like an old fashioned version. I've never really used one out in the wild, but yeah, like we just tend to use what we've got, which is why people use chairs of course, but yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, no, but it still it gives you that division, doesn't it? Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, weirdly enough jackets seem to be okay to put back in the wardrobe once they've been worn. But I think that's just 'cause we don't tend to wash jackets after everywhere like speaker-0: Yeah. Two. I don't know. This year too, I have been better at not washing my knits as often either, just to make them last longer. And jeans I've been trialing, going, Okay, I'm gonna not and I'm actually putting them back in the wardrobe, which I had that weird funny feeling going, should I be doing this? But I was like, No, no, I'm gonna trial it. just to preserve the material. It is, yeah, yeah. When I think it's just something that we've maybe grown up with. After you want it, wash it. speaker-1: And it's the environment as well, I guess. As well. All this water. We you know, we go out for dinner, sit down in jeans for a couple of hours and feel like we've got to wash them. It's a bit crazy, isn't it? speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. And maybe too, the era that I d that we grew up in was smoking, I think. So for me, whenever I'd wear something out, it would smell like cigarette smoke. So you had to wash it unless you enjoyed that smell. Or you'd have to get the Febreze out and Febreze it before you wore it again the next day if you needed to wear it. I wonder speaker-1: Yeah, it's while speaker-0: if that's speaker-1: people were smoking like in restaurants and stuff. That's so bizarre. Yeah. speaker-0: I I when I flew to London, people were smoking in the plains. And actually when I was teaching in London, there was a smoking room where the staff could go and smoke at lunchtime. speaker-1: Yeah. S my gosh. I can just I can almost smell it, that intensity of the smoke in that those sorts of places. speaker-0: So yes, I wonder if that is something about some of us as to why we're so used to just washing our clothes and then that change now might be a different generation. Is there anything else that you that you've just thought of that you think would be great for people to th for organizing their wardrobes? Have you got any like storage solutions that you actually do like using and have found really useful in wardrobes? that don't have to be used. Like they're not necessarily built for wardrobes. speaker-1: That's a question. not nothing that I can really think of, to be honest. Yeah. I'm just looking around at my wardrobe, sort of going, yeah, what have we got going on? There's like a lot of the the newer wardrobes is are sliding doors. So with the doors that open out, you can you can use sorts of hooks and things for scars and that kind of thing. Sliding doors are a bit trickier. but yeah, nothing actually springs to mind. I d I don't mind like a a big kind of shelf riser at the bottom to put more shoes in. They they're probably not called that. But you know what you have in a pant speaker-0: The shoe storage, yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. Just to double layer your shoes at the bottom of the wardrobe. speaker-0: Yeah. I had a client the other day she bought the ones from Kmart, the wooden ones, and she used them for her shoes on the bottom of her wardrobe. And they fit perfectly. I was like, what a great idea. That that worked really well. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, good. I think like one of the conundrums that I see a lot, and I don't know your thoughts, Norell, but the shoes in general are an issue because you a lot of people have a few at the front door, but there's just never enough room to have all everyone's shoes at the front door. So there's this sort of kind of two tier system of having some at the front door, some in your wardrobe, some of your formal shoes might be up high. Like it's it's just very fragmented and it's really hard to it's speaker-0: To keep organized, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely fine that. Yeah. And I suppose it also depends on if you're a family that wears shoes inside or not as well. I think adds to that, that issue too. Yeah. Yes. My husband was really nice and he has built a little wooden shelf for me, the t rate like a riser, my for us. And then he even like put little like little sections for your shoes. And it definitely makes a difference, doesn't it, when it comes to dust. It keeps the dust off the shoes by having somewhere, rather than them just being straight on the ground. speaker-1: That's right. And then you've got boots which take up extra space and it's like speaker-0: now that's something I think I saw you about your boots. How to store boots. did you want to share? I saw you I think you speaker-1: Yes, I I was just i it was a hack I saw online a long time ago, just getting the pool noodles and putting you could probably get maybe a couple of pairs of boots per pool noodle and it just keeps them upright so that they're not just sort of flopping over at the bottom of your wardrobe. speaker-0: It's funny 'cause you shared that and that week I'd done the same thing but in someone's bags, in the bottom of her bags, so they could sit nicely. And it was just funny when it popped up on your your feed and I was like, my gosh, we're both thinking along the same lines. Yes. speaker-1: Think these hacks and then I think, gosh, how much stuff should I be carrying around in my car? Should I be carrying pool nodals now? Like where does it end? speaker-0: No, I I I just asked her, Do you have a pool noodle? And she's like, actually there is downstairs. I said, Do you mind if I cut it up? And I was like, she was like, no. So I did it and I was put them in four, four of her handbags. And then she actually, there's this great hook hanging thing on that goes on the side of her wardrobe. it had to be for doors that open. And you could hang the bags on them and sort of the mechanism was so even when the bag was hanging on it, it stopped. It didn't slide down anywhere. So you could sort of layer the bags. It actually worked really, really well. speaker-1: Was it like a l was it like a long thing with little sort of hooky bits? speaker-0: Yeah. Little hooks. Yeah. speaker-1: Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen that. Those are quite good. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. I'll put a link for those in the show notes anyway. Well, thank you so much, Julie, for your time to have a chat about these common issues that we see and some of the ways people can sort that out. Do you want to share how people can I'll definitely have it in the show show notes, but how people can connect with you. speaker-1: Sure, I've got a website, thedeclutteringco.com.au, and on there it's got a link to all my socials, so that's usually how people find me. speaker-0: Fantastic. Thanks again, Julie, for your time. speaker-1: Norell Gretchen Chat. speaker-0: Do you have nothing to wear but a wardrobe full of clothes? Imagine mornings when you jump up, choose outfits that reflect your best self. A comprehensive guide walks you through each step to help you create a wardrobe that's both functional, organized, and full of clothes you love. Head to simply happy.com.au to the resources tab to get instant access today. I'd like to acknowledge the Wotherong people of the Kulin Nation on which this podcast is recorded as the traditional custodians of the land. I pay my respects to their elders, past, present, and emerging.