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10-28-26 Hour 1 - Broncos CAN BEAT the Chiefs/Worthwhile World Series?/Avs & Nuggets stakes tonight · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 3: Our first Double Dipperoo of the season. The Avs will
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  Speaker 3: be on 92.5. The Nuggets will be on AM 950.
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  Speaker 2: Double Dipperoo.
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  Speaker 3: Both teams playing against teams that they've just played recently.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not like you're going to be surprised by
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  Speaker 3: anything you see between these two. Now, I do think
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  Speaker 3: we can get there in just a second. We'll get
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  Speaker 3: to the Nuggets and the Avs in a moment. Jared
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  Speaker 3: Bednar is going to join us at 8 o'clock. Here's
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  Speaker 3: a question I have for you. We head into this
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  Speaker 3: Chiefs weekend with big implications on the line.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a question?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, the Chiefs just signed Justin Tucker to
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  Speaker 3: their practice squad, which was interesting. I thought that Justin
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  Speaker 3: Tucker was banished from the league after what happened last year.
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  Speaker 2: But whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Here's my question. What do you think happens... And what
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to dub is maybe the most important aspect
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  Speaker 3: of this game, which is the Broncos defense versus the
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  Speaker 3: Kansas City rushing attack. Considering what happened in the first
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  Speaker 3: week where you couldn't tackle, but I think we all
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  Speaker 3: can kind of admit that game's a mirage. Like that's
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  Speaker 3: not going to happen again. What do you think does happen?
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  Speaker 3: That's all a charade. What happens with Kenneth Walker against
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  Speaker 3: this defense? Because that feels like it's going to tell
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  Speaker 3: the story.
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  Speaker 2: Of the game. What do you mean what happens?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Kenneth Walker ran for 170 yards the first week
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  Speaker 3: of the season.
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  Speaker 2: So you're wondering how he's going to produce this time?
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  Speaker 3: How about this? Do you think it's more likely that
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  Speaker 3: one of which one of these two things is more
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  Speaker 3: likely to happen? That he has a similar game to
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  Speaker 3: week one or he has shut him down or that's
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  Speaker 3: more like what happens last week against Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: Or somewhere in between. I don't know if they'll shut
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  Speaker 2: them down like Seattle did. I don't know if they'll
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  Speaker 2: go to that extent, but I don't think they'll give
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  Speaker 2: up the kind of yards after contact they did in
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  Speaker 2: the first game. That was the difference. It wasn't just
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  Speaker 2: giving up yards. They were there at the point of attack.
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  Speaker 2: They just couldn't tackle them.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly right. Now, am I wrong in assuming that that's
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  Speaker 3: going to be the biggest aspect of this game? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if I can put anything on the offense
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  Speaker 3: necessarily just because I think it's all too up in
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  Speaker 3: the air right now.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're 100% right. I mean, if you can
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  Speaker 2: wrap him and limit him and force Mahomes, I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe we're in that conversation now where you're forcing Patrick
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes to beat you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, in Vic, I was talking about this in the appetizer.
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  Speaker 3: I also thought it sounded silly. But they don't have
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  Speaker 3: weapons in the pass game. They really don't. I don't
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  Speaker 3: even think it's all a Mahomes thing. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: their guys can get open. And those guys against the
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  Speaker 3: Broncos secondary is actually something I would welcome. I'd be like,
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  Speaker 3: please give me that matchup. I think our dudes beat
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  Speaker 3: your dudes in that one. But if Kenneth Walker runs
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  Speaker 3: for 150 yards again, that throws it all out of whack.
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  Speaker 3: You know, remember, even in most of the first week,
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  Speaker 3: Mahomes didn't complete a pass past the sticks. He did
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  Speaker 3: not have a pass that was completed over 10 yards.
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  Speaker 4: It was a by Knicks game.
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  Speaker 5: I don't fear this game at all.
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  Speaker 4: Typically, in years gone by.
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  Speaker 2: You don't fear it at all.
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  Speaker 5: I don't fear it. I think the Broncos are going
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  Speaker 5: to win the game. I don't fear Kenneth Walker. I
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  Speaker 5: don't fear Patrick Mahomes. I don't have fear against this team.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't. I don't know why. Years gone by,
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  Speaker 5: I would be like, oh, never count them out. Now
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  Speaker 5: I just feel like the Broncos at home, they're going
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  Speaker 5: to be highly motivated from week one.
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  Speaker 2: Highly motivated.
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  Speaker 4: Highly motivated.
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  Speaker 5: I just think the defense is going to tear them
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  Speaker 5: apart and the offense will do enough.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that seems to be the recipe. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going back and looking at these Broncos. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we always get caught up in the yards per game
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  Speaker 3: that they give up and yards per game on the ground.
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  Speaker 3: Outside of the first week, which was crazy, who's really
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  Speaker 3: gotten them on the ground? Like, which running back has
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  Speaker 3: really made them pay You know, I'm looking through these games.
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  Speaker 3: Kyron Williams is maybe the best example. He had 88
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  Speaker 3: yards on the ground against them. Nobody else has run
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  Speaker 3: the football effectively against the Broncos. I think their numbers
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  Speaker 3: are very skewed by an awful opening week to the season.
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  Speaker 2: I don't disagree. I think they're better in that department.
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  Speaker 2: There's still times where you're like, okay, need to make
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  Speaker 2: a tackle here. But every team goes through that. You know, again,
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  Speaker 2: if we're going to sit here and break down The
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  Speaker 2: woes of the Broncos defense? Yeah. We're looking at the
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  Speaker 2: wrong side of the ball.
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  Speaker 4: You need to pull that away from your mouth a
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  Speaker 4: little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I think you sound fine.
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  Speaker 2: Am I too loud? No, you sound fine.
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  Speaker 4: You sound like you're eating it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. How's that?
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  Speaker 4: Much better.
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  Speaker 2: Is that better?
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  Speaker 4: Way better. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, are you trying to do this?
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  Speaker 3: You are right, though, Vic. But how do I discuss
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  Speaker 3: the Broncos offense? What am I supposed to do? How
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  Speaker 3: do I discuss this in a way of like, here's
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  Speaker 3: what I think can happen.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I think at best what the Broncos are going to do,
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  Speaker 3: like if I say this, if the Broncos get to
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  Speaker 3: 20 points, I think they win.
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  Speaker 2: Is that fair?
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  Speaker 3: Or is that unfair?
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  Speaker 5: No, I think that's very fair. I just think the
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  Speaker 5: defense is going to have a field day this weekend.
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  Speaker 5: I just feel that down deep inside.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why. I think 24 points is the number.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right, Vic.
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  Speaker 2: I think 24 is the number this year. Hell, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they scored 30 in the last game. You score 30,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to guarantee a win. I agree. It's that easy.
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  Speaker 3: Has anything changed for you in your perception of the
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  Speaker 3: Broncos offense since last week? Or is it largely the same?
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  Speaker 2: Last week was better. It was better. The perception of
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  Speaker 2: the offense is still not a quick strike offense, but
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  Speaker 2: at least they opened up the field a little bit. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My perception is they can do it. It can happen.
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  Speaker 2: It also came against somewhat of a lesser team. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But they can do it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, most people, though, I think, when they live their lives, Brett,
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  Speaker 5: it's understandable as well, that they don't want the unknown.
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  Speaker 4: You'd like to know things, right? You'd like to have
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  Speaker 4: a certain degree of certainty about things.
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  Speaker 2: I believe... that you.
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  Speaker 5: And me and Vic and all Broncos fans out there,
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  Speaker 5: you're just going to have to live in a world
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  Speaker 5: where you don't know what you're going to get offensively,
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  Speaker 5: and that's going to have to be okay.
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  Speaker 4: It's not comfortable.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a fun place to reside, but I think
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  Speaker 5: you're just going to have to do it, but knowing that,
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  Speaker 5: you know what, you're going to be all right. So
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  Speaker 5: you don't know what you're going to get, but you're
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  Speaker 5: going to be okay.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I'm talking about. Go back and look, if
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  Speaker 2: you have a chance, at the game against the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 2: And I was looking at the All-22 and the very
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  Speaker 2: first pass of the game. Remember the one that he
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  Speaker 2: feathered in there, middle of the field? Yep. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Deep end shot to Cortland Sutton.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So tell me something. How many times during practice
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  Speaker 2: that week or how many times in pregame did they say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is what we're going to open up with. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to work on this play. This is the play.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be there. This is the play. If
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  Speaker 2: you get this look, this is where you're going. Because
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  Speaker 2: if you go back and look at the tape, that
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  Speaker 2: was a difficult pass.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You had to feather inside over linebackers, over outstretched arms
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  Speaker 2: on a guy tailing in. He's not open. You're throwing
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  Speaker 2: him open. Go back and look again.
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  Speaker 3: You're throwing it to a spot.
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  Speaker 2: You're throwing it to a spot. So how many times
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  Speaker 2: did they work on that before they actually did it?
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  Speaker 2: And will we see that in moments in the game
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  Speaker 2: later where you hadn't worked on it? Well, Do you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 3: I hope so, Vic, because it's a great pass. It's
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  Speaker 3: a pass that every pro quarterback makes, though. Like, every
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  Speaker 3: pro quarterback puts it over the linebacker and underneath the
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  Speaker 3: safety and in front of the corner.
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  Speaker 4: No, I just watched J.J. McCarthy, Vic, make eight of
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  Speaker 4: those passes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And he was on a scrap heap.
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  Speaker 2: How many of those do we see during the course
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  Speaker 2: of a Broncos game?
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  Speaker 4: Not very many.
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  Speaker 3: Almost none.
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  Speaker 4: Not very many at all.
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  Speaker 2: Why? I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that goes back to maybe it's a
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  Speaker 3: confidence thing. Like, maybe it is.
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  Speaker 2: Or is it a prone to turnover, don't want to
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  Speaker 2: turn it over thing? Could be that too. Those are
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  Speaker 2: dangerous passes. Those get tipped. Those get moved.
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  Speaker 5: But when you fit it in there, dude, those are
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  Speaker 5: big plays that move the chains and move your team
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  Speaker 5: down the field and put you in the end zone.
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  Speaker 2: But they're risky. They're risky. So is it a risk-averse
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  Speaker 2: play call or a risk-averse quarterback? Or both? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I do know that With Knicks and I feel like
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  Speaker 3: when his game's at his peak, it's when he's taking
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  Speaker 3: off and running. But it's also you.
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  Speaker 2: He's looked.
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  Speaker 3: Worse this year, not including last week, but worse this
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  Speaker 3: year than really at any other time in his career.
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  Speaker 3: Would you guys agree with that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I would.
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of that has to do with a.
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  Speaker 3: Zero help in the run game. Zero help. And I
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  Speaker 3: think Jonah Coleman... can change some of that.
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  Speaker 2: He can.
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  Speaker 3: And I hope that we see more. of that against
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  Speaker 3: Kansas City. Because look, when you can sit there and
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  Speaker 3: just be like, you can't run the ball. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to play our safeties deep. They keep talking about shell coverage,
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  Speaker 3: shell coverage. Well, why? Because they know that the Broncos
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  Speaker 3: couldn't run the football. And so they're like, oh, just
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  Speaker 3: play deep. And the only thing you're going to get
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  Speaker 3: is something at the line of scrimmage. That's the only
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  Speaker 3: throw you're going to get. Maybe that can change things
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  Speaker 3: now if Jonah Coleman is at least a threat within
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  Speaker 3: that running game. Maybe play action can work a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more if you're actually quasi-scared that the guy who
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  Speaker 3: gets the ball in the run game can go for 7, 8,
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  Speaker 3: 9 yards. But you're right, Vic. As far as making
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  Speaker 3: that throw the first play of the game... They probably
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  Speaker 3: worked on it and worked on it and worked on
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  Speaker 3: it so he felt comfortable. But he's got to be
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  Speaker 3: as comfortable in the third quarter as the first in making.
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  Speaker 2: A throw like that. You can't be coached into every
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  Speaker 2: single one. You got to want to do it. You
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  Speaker 2: got to throw it in moments of... And we've seen
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  Speaker 2: him do it before. That's the thing. We've seen it.
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  Speaker 2: Got to get back to it. Yeah. Because those are
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  Speaker 2: necessary throws.
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  Speaker 3: Jared Bednar is going to join us at 8 o'clock
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  Speaker 3: this morning. So stay tuned for that. That'll be in
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  Speaker 3: about 45 minutes. We talked to Adam Schefter yesterday. I
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  Speaker 3: asked Schefter, you know... Is Indianapolis setting up for getting
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  Speaker 3: rid of some players here because they just fired their GM?
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  Speaker 3: It looks like they're going to restart. He goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it looks like a team that could do it. Well,
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  Speaker 3: like an hour later, they traded Quentin Nelson to the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 3: They traded DeForest Buckner back to the Niners. The big
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  Speaker 3: question is, are they going to deal Jonathan Taylor? And
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  Speaker 3: they're saying no, but I think I know why. They're
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  Speaker 3: saying no because nobody's offered a first-round pick.
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  Speaker 2: They say no like this. No. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But let's just take this on like basic football 101.
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  Speaker 3: If you're doing a rebuild, what does a 28-year-old running
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  Speaker 3: back who's expensive do for you?
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  Speaker 2: Really nothing.
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  Speaker 4: But he's a really good player.
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  Speaker 2: What's his contract? What's his number look like? Because obviously
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  Speaker 2: the Broncos have made a call. Obviously the Broncos should
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  Speaker 2: be interested. But I think the only way you can
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  Speaker 2: make that work is you've got to take back J.K. Dobbins.
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  Speaker 3: This August, you just signed a two-year $ 44 million deal.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a lot of money. So the only way
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  Speaker 2: I would consider that deal if I'm the Denver Broncos, sure,
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  Speaker 2: you could take on that money. Of course you take
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  Speaker 2: it on. But you got to take back, JK. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't see why they wouldn't. There's not much on
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  Speaker 2: the line there. You got to have a running back.
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  Speaker 3: Even if you don't, like.
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  Speaker 2: You can't have a running back room with all those guys, dude.
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  Speaker 2: You can't do that. I don't.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about this before. No, I'm saying you can
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  Speaker 3: just cut JK. That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: You're assuming the guy's contract and you're adding on. Nah. See, dude,
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  Speaker 2: that's why I'm not going to leave you in charge
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  Speaker 2: of finances. That's why your wife handles your auto insurance.
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  Speaker 2: That is why you have very little to do with
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  Speaker 2: your budget.
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  Speaker 3: I've tried to explain this to you. JK's not making
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  Speaker 3: as much money as you think he is.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to let you handle our family's budget.
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  Speaker 2: There are certain people that can handle it. You can't.
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  Speaker 3: You can get out of JK's contract for $ 2 million.
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  Speaker 3: That's nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the checkbook out of your hands,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll handle the finances.
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  Speaker 3: That's the 45th guy on your roster has the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Let the adults handle the finances here.
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  Speaker 3: It's $ 2 million. They cut him.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to him. Mojo, listen to him.
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  Speaker 4: I'm listening. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what I'm hearing,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm listening.
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  Speaker 2: They cut.
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  Speaker 3: They cut guys.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: 20 million on there.
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  Speaker 4: You're not getting Jonathan Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: Stop it.
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  Speaker 4: You're not getting Jonathan Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: Why? Why couldn't you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I guess you could, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You could, but you got to take back JK Dobbin salary.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know. Why can't they do that? They'll
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  Speaker 2: still need another running back. I'm sure they could, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, you got to salt it up. You got
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  Speaker 2: to give them some draft picks, obviously, too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would draw the line at a first rounder.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that.
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  Speaker 3: But if they want like a two and some change, fine.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you a two and a five, whatever. I'll
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  Speaker 3: do that for one of the best running backs in
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  Speaker 3: the league. Hell yeah, I will. So that's the last question.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're holding out and saying, oh, we aren't
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  Speaker 3: trading JK because they're trying to say, oh, well, if
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  Speaker 3: you give us a first round pick, then we'll trade them.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's happening. That free guy is 28,
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  Speaker 3: or he's going to be 28. So anyway, 303-504-0925. Jared
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  Speaker 3: Bednar at 8 o'clock this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Stick around.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Moshe, how annoying is it? By the way, I fell
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: asleep at the end of the World Series game last night.
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  Speaker 2: Darn it. I didn't see that.
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  Speaker 4: I fell asleep during the game.
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  Speaker 2: What a game.
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  Speaker 5: My body clock is jacked. I fell asleep during the game.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't wake up till 1 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: Make a play from third, dude. Make a play from third. Anyway, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Walk off fashion to extend the series for Tampa Bay.
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  Speaker 2: Late night. What time did that game start? And, I mean, again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in New Orleans, so I'm an hour ahead of
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  Speaker 2: you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it was like 1030-ish, somewhere around there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an old man. I didn't stay up for it. Moj,
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: is there anything worse, as I'm watching the final at-bat,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: is there anything worse than being on the road at
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: a nice hotel that doesn't provide coffee? I mean, this
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: is essential to the body. How am I supposed to
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: live without coffee? Yeah, I don't know, man.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Can I just say one thing real quick? I know
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: that Game 3 was an exception to this and whatever.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: For a World Series that features no teams that people
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: truly care about, you know what I mean? Mid-market, small-market teams.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: It's been a fantastic World Series. These two teams are
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: really good, man. Both of them.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: It's been a great World Series, but I haven't seen
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: the numbers. Could this be the lowest-rated World Series in
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: the history? It could be.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: It very well could be. I don't care. I think
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: it's been awesome.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Well, you don't care because you're a seam head, and
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: I get it. And it's been great baseball. I don't
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: disagree with you. I watched at least four innings last
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: night before I finally keeled over. And it is. It's intense.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: It's great baseball. But does it resonate nationally like it
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: used to? No. It just doesn't.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Why? But when people talk about ratings and stuff like that,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: genuinely– Like, if you got an NBA Finals that was
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Charlotte versus the Kings, okay? If that was the NBA Finals,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: the numbers aren't going to be as good as Lakers-Celtics.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Does that matter? Does that really matter?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter to you. You're a seaman. No, no, no.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter to the league. Like, does the league
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: really care? Aren't they just like, well, these are our
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: two best teams. I mean, there you go.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: I think they probably care. They're not going to do
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: anything about it. I think it's good for the league.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: It's good for the league to have that parity and
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: have teams that are smaller market get in there.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: What would be best for the league is when those
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: small market teams still produce big numbers like NFL teams do.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: The NFL could have two small market teams. The NFL
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: could have Green Bay and Jacksonville in the Super Bowl
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and produce big numbers.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Again, I'm going to say That's the responsibility of the
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: league to prop those teams up when they're good. Like,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: that's the point.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know how much you're putting
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: on the league. What is the league supposed to do?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was in a big group yesterday. We're
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: in the French Quarter yesterday. Everybody's running around. Nobody's concerned
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: about the World Series.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Would they be if it was Yankees and Dodgers?
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Probably not. Oh, I think they would be.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I think you'd certainly see more TV ads for it.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: And maybe this is, maybe it's not in the league.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's indictment on us as the media. Like, if
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: it was Yankees-Dodgers, I bet you get up this morning
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: and be talking about Yankees-Dodgers World Series. Oh, my God,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: what a game. I haven't seen them talk about the
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Rays yet. I haven't seen it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Listen, people don't want to hear this. And I have
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: great baseball friends, and I love baseball. Again, I love it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: It's not what it used to be. Oh, I know that.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: People are like, you don't want to hear it. You
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: just don't. You dismiss this as, oh, old man, just.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: You think I'm unaware of this?
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: It is truly in this town, in our town, it
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: is truly sport. I mean, and it's sad to say
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: this because when it was going good, I can't tell
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: you the blanket of success and interest it had in
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: this town. I can't tell you, but it's not what
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: it used to be nationally. It just isn't maybe in
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: some markets.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I'm, Look, I'm not arguing with you. Like, all I'm
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: saying is it's been a great World Series.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: If you guys haven't watched, it's been awesome. I know.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I know. Unfortunately, most of the players participating in this
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: World Series are not household names at all.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: They're not.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like this happens? Is this the same
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: thing kind of in hockey mojo? Do you think this happens?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Where it's like, if you don't get some marquee names
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: in it, that the interest dwindles down?
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm trying to think. I guess I'd have to
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: look at the ratings between Vegas and Carolina.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Now, the Carolina Hurricanes don't exactly draw a national audience in.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: You know, Sebastian Ajos and Svechnikovs and guys like this.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But they're a damn fine hockey club.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I'm going to try and look this up right now.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Please do.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: So, said they average about 5 million viewers a game.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Which ain't bad, right?
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Trying to compare that.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Is that bad?
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's bad.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I'm looking. Hang on. Yeah, give me a second.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Do year to year, whatever. I mean, look, if it's
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: the New York Rangers and the, you know.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: LA Kings, I mean, just because those markets are so huge,
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: you're going to get more eyeballs tuning in.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Avs was around the same when they won.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: That was about five.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: The Avs have some recognizable names, obviously. They got some
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: big names on that club.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Tampa, Montreal was bad. That was like two. Dallas-Tampa was two. Yeah,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess five is a pretty good number
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: for them.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question?
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, Boston, when they were in it, that was eight
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: or six.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Pretty big.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Six and a half.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: When did, why and when, Moj, let me use your
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: long-term perspective on this because you're the oldest of the bunch.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: You're just an elderly fella. Why and when did baseball
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: get away from us in terms of the national appeal?
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: What started it? Where did it go and why?
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: That's a great, Vic, that's a great question. I think
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: it's the nature of the game itself.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: And let me stop you right there. Before I continue,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: let me stop you right there.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: And the reason I bring that up, we do this occasionally.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: We'll bring up old-timey baseball teams. When I say old-timey,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: like Brett loves it when, you know, we bring up
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: a roster from 2005 or 1998 and you start going
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: through the roster and we can identify and name every player.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Those days are gone. We can identify more players from
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the 90s Brewers teams than we can from the current
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Brewers team. Why?
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I'm not even kidding.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I think....
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I'll just say it. I think that ESPN, who is
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: a large carrier of a lot of baseball games, they
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: just gave up on it. They stopped doing baseball tonight.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: They stopped.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Like, you didn't have a daily. That was a daily
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: part of my life was watching baseball tonight every night.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure, though, but.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure. It's not really baseball that's changed. It's
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: society that's changed.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: That's true. It's consumption of sports and sports information. That's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: where I agree with you more, Moj, because I don't
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: think you blame the distribution. I think you blame just
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: there are other sports that have also taken hold that
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: have moved front and center. And for whatever reason, it's easier,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: quicker to consume. Highlight-driven. I don't know. Somebody explain.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: I just think today's society, instant gratification is what it's
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: all about.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Fast-paced and this and action. Baseball is not that. There's
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: moments of crazy action, but it's not sustained.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: All of that is true.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I would also tell you vilifying childhood heroes for a
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: decade plus.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: It probably doesn't help things either.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: All of my favorite players when I was a kid
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: are telling me they're all cheaters.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, really cool. You know what? You know what?
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I was going to get to that. You're taking stuff
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: right from my notes here. You are so right. To me,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: this is my adult life. Baseball was never more relevant
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: and more in the news than at the most, according
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: to some, the worst period in its history, the steroids era.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was unreal. Every night. You talk about ESPN.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Every night. I was a sportscaster in the news. What
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: did we lead our sportscast with every night? McGuire and Sosa.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: McGuire homered. Sosa homered.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Bonds.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Bonds homered. Yeah. Every night. It was lead sports material.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Brady Anderson homered. Now, I understand.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: Raphael Palmeiro homered.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Hey, Palmeiro's a good hitter.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: And that is not too far ago. That's 25 years ago. Okay.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: That is recent history. And then all of a sudden,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the sport just fell off the table. And I think
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the vilification of the sport by its own people, and
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I get it, every sport goes through this, it almost
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: gave everybody an excuse to say, well, then why are
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: we bothering here? They won't even acknowledge some of these players. Like,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Barry Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame. Imagine this.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Imagine if the NFL just, I don't know, if there's
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: some sort of similar scandal, right? But if they just said, hey, um,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and Drew Brees and Aaron
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Rodgers and Brett Favre.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: You're dead to me.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: They actually all cheated, and they're terrible people, and you
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: should hate them.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: And what they accomplished wasn't real.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, and you're not in the Hall of Fame. We're
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: not going to acknowledge them in the Hall of Fame.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Your numbers don't count. Nothing matters. If you did that
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: to any sport, you're killing yourself.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So why? Why did it happen in baseball?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Does this surprise you, though? I just looked this up.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: The first two games of the World Series, that's all
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: we have, or all I could find for ratings so far.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: The first two games between the Rays and the Brewers.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Only down 6% from the Dodgers and Blue Jays World
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Series last year. Pretty damn close. I think they were
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: expecting a way bigger drop-off.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Ratings-wise.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Said they were averaging 11 million people for the first
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: couple of games of this series.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Surprised me.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I thought it would be a way bigger drop-off than that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: But, But we don't got to spend too much time
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: on this. It was a great game.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just more curious. And when I bring this up,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: it's more of a therapy session for myself. Like, what
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: is wrong with me? Again, I grew up reading the
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Bill James book. Do you know what the Bill James
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: book is? You've heard of Bill James?
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Hang on. I want you to look up the length
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: of that book. I read it when I was in
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: high school because I was so enamored with baseball and
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: its history. Okay? These are the things. Baseball to me was...
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: That was the religion of sport. Every great record, every milestone,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: every historical anecdote revolved around baseball. What happened? That right there.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Read that.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Well, it's dated now.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: It's 40 years old.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Of course.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: It's 40 years old.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: It's dated. Yeah, I know. But, I mean, when we
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: didn't have the internet back in the 80s, Moj, we
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: didn't have any of that. You actually grabbed a book
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: and read it. Correct. Correct.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: 303-504-0925. So a couple of things here. I want to
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: save the abs and the nuggets. It's not enough time now.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: So we'll do that in just a couple of minutes.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Jared Bednar is going to join us at 8. Can
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I play something for you guys that bothered me yesterday?
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And we're all aware that Nicolas Cage is making this
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: movie where he's playing the role of John Madden. And
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: when you do movies like this.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: It's already made, isn't it? Yes.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: But I saw a scene from the movie. And I've
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: always wondered this when they do these biopics. I don't
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: know what the rules are. Like, can you just make.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Biopic.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: A little biopic. Can you just do this about anybody
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: whenever you want to without permission? Like, Prime just got
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: into this discussion with Brian Howell, who joined us at
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: 920 today, about writing a book that he was not
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: involved in that uses his picture and all his stuff.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've heard of unauthorized biographies. They've happened for years. Unauthorized.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Like, I know that Chris Hansen had that problem with
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: that movie that was just made about him. Where, what's
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: his name? The dude from Twilight was playing him in
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: that movie.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Robert Pattinson. Robert Pattinson.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Fantastic movie, by the way.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Highly recommend.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: You see how this looks, right? But it's just like,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: he said, I just found out they're making a movie
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: about me. I'm like, that is a really weird thing. So,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Madden is somebody who's unique in this way. He has
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: a voice that we all know. It is instantly recognizable.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: And so to play the role of John Madden in
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: a movie, you need to be able to sound a
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: little bit like John Madden. Would you guys like to
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: hear Nick Cage?
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: But that's a really difficult thing to do.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: What do you say?
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, Caliendo's like the only guy that can do it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, do it, Vic.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's easier to sound like Madden. I think
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: that's the easiest one to do.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: For Vic's standards, not too bad.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: That's not bad.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I thought it sucked.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: That was a pretty good Coach O, actually. It was
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: a little Orgeron mixed in there.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Go Tigers.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Here is, just for reference, we all know Frank Caliendo
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: probably has the best Madden. It sounds like this. You
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: hear terms refer to a player as being probable.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Questionable or doubtful?
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Can you interpret those three?
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Probable was that question. You're probably gonna ask it. I
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: just did ask it.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: And that's what happens.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: When a player's probable, that means he's gonna play.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: He probably is gonna play.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: And then questionable is my answer on this.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Not sure if I really know.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Doubtful is if you'll ever ask a real question like
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: that again.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: So that was him on the Letterman Show back in
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: the day. This is Nick Cage playing the role of
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: John Madden.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: It's a heck of a first half.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: The Packers really did dominate there.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: That's absolutely right, Pat.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: It reminds me of a play that Vince Lombardi spent
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: eight hours teaching to me in class.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Eight hours.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: The power swing. I'm going to demonstrate it for you.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: I'll use it on my new telestrator.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: What is that? Where did he get that?
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: That sounds like Nick Cage playing Jimmy Stewart.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: It sounds like Nick Cage.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: See, this is what.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about, though. This movie can't be made if
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: that's his impression of Matt.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Right? No, it's too much Nick Cage. See, Nick Cage
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: is too big of a player for him to play
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: another man. I want to be alive again. That's what
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: he sounds like. You know, it's funny you say that. Like,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: think about great actors who have played historic figures. Will
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Smith played Muhammad Ali. He was great. Pretty good. He
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: was great. How about Ray, the movie Ray?
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Jamie Foxx was really good.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Jamie Foxx could play anybody because he feels and he
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: expresses the voice.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Daniel Day-Lewis, I don't know what Lincoln sounded like. Sounded
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: a lot like what Lincoln should sound like to me
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: when he played Lincoln.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: But that is not Madden. I totally agree with you.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: That is Nick Cage in Face Off.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Well, the movie Pressure came out, which I really liked.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: Anything that has to do with D-Day and World War II,
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm down with.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: And Brendan Fraser plays Eisenhower.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: He didn't really look like Eisenhower, didn't sound like Eisenhower,
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: but trying to find an actor to be able to
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: do Eisenhower is not easy, man.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: But, Moj, my whole point is if this movie is
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: centered around John Madden and you're the director of this
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: movie and Nick Cage says, I'm going to do it,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: and you say, all right, show me your Madden, and
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: it sounds like that, you go, we can't make this movie.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: People are going to be taken out of it immediately.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: It should be the first thing in the casting. Yes.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: In casting calls, your first thing is like, give me
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: your Madden. That should be the very first thing. You
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: could turn anybody. You can make anybody look like a
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: certain player because you can give them wigs and all that.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: But I've got to hear the voice.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Like Christian Bale when he played Dick Cheney. It sounded
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: like Dick Cheney.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: He was pretty good. Yeah.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I want you to listen again. The Summerall is actually
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: pretty good.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: The Summerall sounds like Summerall. Heck of a first half.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: The Packers really did dominate there.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: That's absolutely right, Pat.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: It reminds me of a play that Vince Lombardi spent
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: eight hours.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: No, no. Turn that off.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Nope.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: See, we grew up with Madden on television and the
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: voice was so unique and the approach was so unique.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: You can't just take that and butcher it. You can't.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: It's not going to work. It's over.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: It's done.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Hey, guys, I'm making a movie about Johnny Carson. Did
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: you know that? Would you like to hear my Johnny Carson?
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Johnny Carson. Welcome to the show. You wouldn't
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: be able to watch the movie.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: We'll get to the Avs and Nuggets here in just
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: a second. Jared Bednar in 20 minutes. Stick around.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: The Nuggets will be on AM 950. The Avs on 92.5 tonight.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: We'll talk to Jared Bednar in 15 minutes, get his
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: thoughts about things. But if I ask both of you
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: guys heading into tonight's games, opponents that both teams have
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: just recently played, what do you want to see most
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: out of your team's performances? Moj, I'll start with you.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: I want to see compete. I want to see puck
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: battles won. I want to see first to the puck.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: I just want to see some flow to the game.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: It just seems like, and we'll talk to coach about
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: this momentarily or 15 minutes. It just feels like there's
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: not a whole lot of flow right now at all.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: And I just think that We'll see what the film
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: showed him. And I'm very, very curious to see what
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: he has to say. But I just want to see
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: that energy level where it should be. Last night, the
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: New Jersey Devils, Vic, went into Dallas and beat the.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Crud out of the Stars.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Hellebuck's first win, right?
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Listen, Dallas only had 18 shots on goal. He
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: made 17 saves, so good for him. Did you say Hellebuck? Yeah.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Just say Hellebuck.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: Nope.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: I didn't like the way you said it either.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: It's just not. I'm not comfortable with you saying that.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I thought Connor Hellybuck's debut as a devil was superb.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Shut him off.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: In a five win win over the Dallas Stars. Hellybuck
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: adds a level of. Shut him off. Professionalism.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Shut him off. Shut, shut.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Is Wedgie Wood going to go today?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: So we'll see.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, we'll see. I'd like to see them. I'd
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: like to see that compete level really high. That's what
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: I'd like to see. Devils are 8-4.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: From the start.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're coming off a back-to-back. Would you jump
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: on a team, please?
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: The second team in a row, you're playing in the back-to-back,
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: and the other team looked like they were the fresh
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: team last time out.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: So we'll see. I mean, Devils, they're great at home,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: not so super on the road. They've been dominant at
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: the Rock in Newark. You need to... You need to
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: jump on them early. I agree.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: What about it for the Nuggets, Vic?
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Let me write down. I wrote down all the stuff
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: that Mosher said, and let me see how much of
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: it also refers to the Nuggets. Yes, compete level. Uh-huh. Yeah, check.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Show me a compete level. One-on-one battles. Got to win
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: one-on-one battles defensively, especially on the perimeter. Yep, Mosher, I
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: got that one down too. Flow, I want to see
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: some flow. They've been down 20 points in two of
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: these three games to lesser teams. 20 or more points. Yep,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: flow would be nice. Energy level. You said that, right, Moshe?
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Energy level. They come out at times flat, and they
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: just don't look energetic for whatever reason. So I want
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: to see that. And we'll see what the film shows
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: is what Moshe said about the Avs, and I'm sure
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: they look at the film.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Vic, I'm curious to see what Coach saw in it.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. But everything you said, it's funny, everything you
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: said applies to the Nuggets. Everything. I think the Nuggets
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: are in a place right now where uh the start
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: of the season a lot of people look at it
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: and some are panicking some are saying it's early some
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: are saying these are all fixable issues well i'm saying
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: you're playing a lesser team again on the road this
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: time at their place i would not advise going down
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: 23 or 19 in the fourth quarter at their place
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: that would not turn out too well that would be
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: my advice let's see defensively what the nuggets can bring
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: tonight because if they play any any defense, they win
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: this game. And I guess I don't know what the
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: standards are. You know, in the first week, first game
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: of the season, they held OKC to under 100 points.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Think about that. So can they play defense? Yeah. We
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: just saw it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Here's what the Pels have done. Incidentally, the Pels have
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: not played since they played the Nuggets. Interesting.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: The Pels have given up 123, 120, and 141 in overtime,
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: but 141. They don't defend either. They don't defend. So
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: if you want to defend.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: You should walk out. What is it? Smoothie King? What's
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: that joint?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Smoothie King Arena, yeah. Smoothie King. I don't know if
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: it's still Smoothie King. They changed the name every other year.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Anyway, the point is that they give up a lot
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: of points per game. Pelicans don't play defense. So if
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: you play a lick of defense, you should win.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Well, I heard Craig Van Lindo talking about this yesterday.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I know that people just want to make defense out to, like,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: it's an effort in one-two thing. There's skill involved in defense.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And I think there's no how now when you say skill,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: it's not like the same skill and you need to
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: shoot or to dribble the skill and knowing where to
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: be well, knowing how to goad your opponent into certain things.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Here's one example in an awareness spacing.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I'll give you an example of, of where that doesn't apply.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Jokic can't rim protect because he can't jump. That's, it's
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: really hard to protect the rim when you can't get
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: as high as the, the guy driving to the rim.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: And so Jokic has to make the decision. Do I
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: challenge and risk a foul? Cause I probably can't get
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: to the ball.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Having said that, having, you know, it's funny that you
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: say that he can't rim protect, go back and watch
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the final quarter of the nuggets and Pelicans. He had
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: three block shots in the fourth quarter.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: He can, I mean, he could, it's, if he's in
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: the right spot and he can pick his spots. Yeah,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: he can do it. But, I mean, we have a
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: decade's worth of evidence that says he's not very good
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: at protecting.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not going to get up like Giannis and
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: throw stuff out of the arena. I get it. But
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: it's bigger than just him. It's a team concept of defending.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I watched a tape. You know, God, these tapes are
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: everywhere now. They're videos on social media. They're everywhere. Everyone's
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: like a film nut. And they're breaking down the Nuggets
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: defense and the breakdowns on the Nuggets defense and why
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: it's not working. and why certain situations, and I'm sure
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: you can do that with every team, but too many times,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: too many times they're just in bad position. They're not
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: in the right spot. And it opens up holes, driving lanes.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: And it starts on the perimeter. Hey, the reason why
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: it doesn't work, the reason why they're giving up layups,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: if you've played enough basketball, you understand the reason layups
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: are being scored is because you're getting by your guy.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And once you get by that initial guy, you force
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: the defense to make a decision. Oh, I wonder why
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: the Nuggets are giving up so many uncontested threes. Why?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Because a guard got by his guy. He met another
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: guy to come up and stop him. And he just
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: popped it out to a wide open three. That's why.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: So it starts at the point of attack. If your
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: point of attack on the perimeter isn't viable, you're screwed.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: It's been like that forever, though. Like, that's the thing.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: The Nuggets for, now, multiple years have had this problem
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: of perimeter defense leads to help defense after that guy
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: gets beat, which leads to either a layup or a
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: kickout to a wide open three. And there's only, look,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: there's only so much rotation you can do to try
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: and make up for getting beat at the point of attack. Like,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: that's it. And you just got to be better there.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: The problem is, like what Crackman Lindahl were saying yesterday was,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Jamal's just not very good defensively.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: He's just not.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: And that's not any different. Neither is DeMar DeRozan. He's
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: never been a defender in his career. And Jokic has
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: never been a rim protector. And so when you're out
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: some of your better defensive guys, it puts even more
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: of a strain on that. But it now becomes a
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: game of a track mate.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Who can score 130 quicker? And if you miss a
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: few shots, now all of a sudden you're down 15 points.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: So maybe it goes back to what I said yesterday.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're not good enough. Maybe.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: So Jones is out for sure, right? Still out.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Jones.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Spencer.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Spencer Jones.
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's out tonight. Diallo is out tonight. What does
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Diallo have? He had a wrist injury. What's the story
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: with Cam? Cam Johnson's been upgraded now to... I think
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: it's either doubtful or questionable, but he moved up the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: upgrade chart.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: That's a really good sign.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: And he's on the trip. I saw him on the trip. Okay, good.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Because I'm thinking when I see him go down, I'm
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: thinking this is a month. My mind immediately goes to, oh, God,
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: he's out a month.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Hey, Moshe.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: If not, he tore something up and he's out for
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: the season. But then when they say, okay, it's spring,
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, that's going to be a while, a
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: couple weeks. If he's upgraded already, that's pretty dang good.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I will make this contention. And before I get into
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: this injury stuff, because some injury news occurred across the NBA.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I want you to take the greatest defensive coach in
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: basketball history. Who would that be? Who is known as
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: a defensive dog? I mean, you can go back to
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the Detroit Pistons days. Think about college basketball. Defensive dog coaches.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Dudes who.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: You're talking about Chuck Daly?
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: No, who is Virginia's head coach? Where they would win
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: games 42 to 36.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, and.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Didn't he end up quitting? Yes. What was his name?
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: His dad coached at Wisconsin. His dad coached at Wisconsin.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: He coached at Virginia. Find it. Find it. I'm not
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: going on until you find the name. Not doing it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Tony Bennett.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. All right, so.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Tony Bennett. As in I left my heart in San Francisco,
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Tony Bennett?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy. Yeah, he went on to a great
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: career as a college coach. Defensive stalwart. All right, so
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: take the greatest defensive mind. I'm going to ask all
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: of you this question, and I want honest responses. I
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: don't want like, oh, do you think that that coach
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: could turn this Nuggets rotation to a great defensive team? No.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Nelly, do you think that's going to happen?
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: I just don't think they're good. You don't have a
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: host of good defenders.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So then what do we, if we all know this,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: if you're watching this, Why do we continue to moan about, like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: the coaching? Why is that a topic? Why does everybody– because,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: you know, read the text line. Watch, watch. Let me see.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I haven't even read the text line. Let me go. Oh,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: let's see. Let's see how many will jump on the coach.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: You're supposed to be banned from the text line.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I know. But if I just gave you that– if
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I gave you that scenario and you guys all agree
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: with me that you could take the greatest defensive mind
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: ever and you can maybe– help the defense, but you're
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: not going to fix it. Why do we always go
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: there after a loss? Why do we always go to coaching?
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if it's always. A big part
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: of it is in the way that you've lost. Like, look,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: going back to how the season ended last year, when
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: a team looks unmotivated.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: The opposing players said it publicly. Understood.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: But I think that goes down to, and Vic, you
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: say they look uninspired or like there was a malaise
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: or something like that that we talked about yesterday. A
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: lot of people feel like that's a coaching thing. And look,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I certainly think it's partly coaching. It's mostly on the players, though,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: to get themselves going. We'll get back to this in
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: just a little bit.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Well, we're going to talk to Coach about it momentarily,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: but he had a great line yesterday, did Jared Bednar.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: So we'll talk to Jared Bednar, head coach of the Avs,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: next time.