Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 650: Foundations - The Blessing and Curse That Is a Kill Plot
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals better dear hunting, present it by First Light,
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- 0:13Speaker 1: First Light, Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:17Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:19Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast,
- 0:22Speaker 2: which is brought to you but First Light. I'm your host,
- 0:24Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and this episode is all about the realities
- 0:27Speaker 2: of planting a kill plot from clost whitetail owners. Most
- 0:42Speaker 2: of you listeners probably know the feeling of being young
- 0:45Speaker 2: and driving a beat up truck or a car, and
- 0:47Speaker 2: maybe pulling into a gas station to fuel up, and
- 0:50Speaker 2: then having someone pull in next to you with a
- 0:52Speaker 2: brand new ride. You look at your rusted out, hand
- 0:55Speaker 2: me down truck and think, man, it'd be nice to
- 0:58Speaker 2: have that, because you're not thinking about the payments or
- 1:01Speaker 2: the maintenance or anything other than just owning it. That
- 1:04Speaker 2: feeling of jealousy. That's kind of how I felt when
- 1:07Speaker 2: I started seeing hunting shows where they were hunting over
- 1:09Speaker 2: food plots. The idea putting in a little field of
- 1:12Speaker 2: greenery just for the deer. I was crazy and It
- 1:15Speaker 2: made me super jealous, because, after all, it really looked
- 1:18Speaker 2: like the answer to a lot of my deer hunting problems.
- 1:21Speaker 2: Probably does to you too, if you've never planned one.
- 1:23Speaker 2: The truth is, food plots aren't really a magic bullet.
- 1:27Speaker 2: They are worth it if you have the ground and
- 1:28Speaker 2: the means. That's what this episode is all about, And honestly,
- 1:32Speaker 2: it's really mostly about planning tiny kill plots, not four
- 1:35Speaker 2: acre beautifully groom destination plots. So even if you will
- 1:39Speaker 2: never have a two hundred thousand dollars John Deer should
- 1:42Speaker 2: probably listen up. Anyway. Have you ever watched somebody tie
- 1:57Speaker 2: a fly? It looks so easy. See them pick up
- 2:01Speaker 2: a hook, often a ridiculously small hook, but it doesn't
- 2:05Speaker 2: have to be Now, place the hook in a vice
- 2:08Speaker 2: so that the hookshank is horizontal, scattered around that vice.
- 2:11Speaker 2: If they are like me or I don't know, probably
- 2:14Speaker 2: organized around the vice like surgeon's tools. If you're like Mark,
- 2:18Speaker 2: you'll see all kinds of interesting tools and bags of
- 2:21Speaker 2: feathers and thread and tiny scissors, all kinds of highly
- 2:25Speaker 2: specific things that should help you create something that looks
- 2:28Speaker 2: like a bug or a minnow or a helgramite or
- 2:30Speaker 2: something that would probably be found on the menu of
- 2:32Speaker 2: a trout's favorite restaurant. Now, the first step, it's usually
- 2:37Speaker 2: just to wind some thread on the hookshank. Maybe that's
- 2:41Speaker 2: black thread or green or brown thread. Maybe it's a
- 2:44Speaker 2: full rap all the way down the shank of the hook,
- 2:45Speaker 2: or a partil wrap just near the islet with slow
- 2:49Speaker 2: rotations of the tool. You know, that holds the thread
- 2:52Speaker 2: in place and allows the fly tire to keep things
- 2:54Speaker 2: nice and tight. You know, it looks pretty simple so far,
- 2:58Speaker 2: you know. Then they might pinch off some fuzzyal and
- 3:00Speaker 2: work it onto the thread. This dubbing then gets wrapped
- 3:04Speaker 2: around the shank to produce what would essentially be like
- 3:06Speaker 2: the insect's body. After that, the fun begins. Maybe it
- 3:11Speaker 2: involves carefully measuring out a pinch of elk or deer hair,
- 3:15Speaker 2: the kind of hair that is naturally buoyant because it's
- 3:18Speaker 2: hollow and also happens to allow a dry fly to float.
- 3:23Speaker 2: This hair, it'll get held along the dubbing and wrapped
- 3:27Speaker 2: over and over with a thread. Once that's finished, that
- 3:31Speaker 2: little patch of hair is secured on top of the dubbing,
- 3:35Speaker 2: the miniature scissors come out. You do your best great
- 3:37Speaker 2: clips impression and snip the hair off evenly. Now the
- 3:41Speaker 2: fly has a body, you know, a main body, and
- 3:44Speaker 2: what looks like some kind of wings, probably if you
- 3:48Speaker 2: have an iq of one and are looking up through
- 3:50Speaker 2: the water column of a fast moving stream at it. Anyway,
- 3:53Speaker 2: Then after that comes the hackle, you know, the dried skin,
- 3:57Speaker 2: complete with the feathers of a wildly colored chicken or
- 4:00Speaker 2: maybe a rooster pheasant in the hundreds and hundreds of
- 4:03Speaker 2: feathers on any small patch of that. You'll pluck out
- 4:06Speaker 2: a perfectly sized option for just this size of fly
- 4:10Speaker 2: and rub away some of the feathers, those fuzzy little
- 4:13Speaker 2: feathers at the stem of the individual feather, and then
- 4:16Speaker 2: hold it to the body of the fly near the head.
- 4:19Speaker 2: A few thread wraps later, and you can grab another
- 4:22Speaker 2: specialized tool that looks kind of like, I don't know,
- 4:24Speaker 2: like a tiny pair of tongs you'd create if you
- 4:28Speaker 2: were a veterinarian and had to help like a hamster
- 4:30Speaker 2: sized critter give birth like a particularly difficult berth, by
- 4:35Speaker 2: getting a hold of the youngster during the process and
- 4:37Speaker 2: yanking it out. I know that's a weird visual, but
- 4:40Speaker 2: bear with me. Here with that baby hamster pulling tool.
- 4:45Speaker 2: You'd spin that feather around the fly and watch as
- 4:47Speaker 2: it separates wrap by wrap to make it look like
- 4:50Speaker 2: it has been hit with a heavy dose of static electricity.
- 4:53Speaker 2: If the deer hair kind of looks like folded wings,
- 4:56Speaker 2: this hackle, when done right, must look like the outstretch twings,
- 5:00Speaker 2: maybe the legs a little bit too of a small
- 5:03Speaker 2: flying insect. A few more wraps with a thread, and
- 5:06Speaker 2: maybe a tiny doll up of glue, and then a
- 5:09Speaker 2: few specialized knots to keep the whole thing from unwinding,
- 5:12Speaker 2: and it's done. You have a cats fly, easy peasy
- 5:16Speaker 2: lemon squeeze. You think, since, well, it looks so easy
- 5:21Speaker 2: from the casual observer's perspective, but in reality, it takes
- 5:24Speaker 2: a lot of practice and going through a lot of
- 5:27Speaker 2: really shitty flies to get to that point. You know
- 5:30Speaker 2: what else is a hell of a lot harder to
- 5:32Speaker 2: do than it looks. Golf, probably, but also creating a
- 5:37Speaker 2: decent kill plot that will actually grow and produce something
- 5:40Speaker 2: the deer will consistently eat. You know how I know
- 5:44Speaker 2: this because I was not put on earth to grow stuff.
- 5:48Speaker 2: I don't think anyone in my family was. To be honest,
- 5:51Speaker 2: we can barely keep the heartiest of plants alive and
- 5:54Speaker 2: have been known to kill a few cacti in my day,
- 5:57Speaker 2: which brings up the Dimitri Martin joke about being less
- 6:00Speaker 2: nurturing than a desert. Well, that's what we are. But
- 6:04Speaker 2: I have messed around with food plots quite a bit,
- 6:06Speaker 2: and I know a few things about making kill plots,
- 6:09Speaker 2: mostly from the things I've done wrong. It has been
- 6:13Speaker 2: a slow process, but I have managed to get some
- 6:15Speaker 2: clover to grow and some moats. My little girls have
- 6:18Speaker 2: managed to shoot a few deer in these plots, which
- 6:20Speaker 2: is pretty satisfying. The process really is pretty simple, like
- 6:25Speaker 2: tying flies, but there's a lot of nuance to it.
- 6:28Speaker 2: And the best thing you can do before clearing ground
- 6:30Speaker 2: and starting the process, as long as you have a
- 6:33Speaker 2: place to do it, is to ask yourself if you
- 6:36Speaker 2: really need a kill plot. If you hunt around tons
- 6:39Speaker 2: of agfields in Iowa or Illinois or somewhere, it might
- 6:42Speaker 2: be a hell of a lot of squeeze for very
- 6:44Speaker 2: little practical juice. That's not to say it isn't worth
- 6:48Speaker 2: it still, because there's more to planning and maintaining a
- 6:51Speaker 2: food plot than just killing deer in it, but it's
- 6:53Speaker 2: worth thinking about now. If you're in the northern Wisconsin woods,
- 6:57Speaker 2: or maybe the mountains of Pennsylvania or some other region
- 6:59Speaker 2: that is heavy on timber but light on destination food sources,
- 7:04Speaker 2: a kill plot might be one hell of a good idea.
- 7:07Speaker 2: Giving the deer something they don't have easy access to
- 7:09Speaker 2: is kind of a no brainer, like putting a pond
- 7:13Speaker 2: in where water sources are scarce, or hinge cutting the
- 7:16Speaker 2: crap out of some trees in an area where food
- 7:18Speaker 2: is plentiful but betting cover is rare. The thing is,
- 7:23Speaker 2: no matter where you might want to put a food
- 7:25Speaker 2: plot in, you'll want to get your soil tested.
- 7:27Speaker 1: First.
- 7:29Speaker 2: I thought this was stupid, and I told a good
- 7:31Speaker 2: buddy of mine just that when we bought a small
- 7:33Speaker 2: property together in twenty thirteen. The soil, I said, you know,
- 7:37Speaker 2: it looks as black as the soil in southeastern Minnesota
- 7:39Speaker 2: where the crop yields are real high, and so I
- 7:42Speaker 2: figured we didn't need to test it. My buddy, who
- 7:45Speaker 2: can fix anything and that makes me really jealous, said
- 7:49Speaker 2: you can't tell anything by looking at soil. He was right,
- 7:52Speaker 2: of course. It's kind of like a different friend of
- 7:55Speaker 2: mine telling me very recently that the Golden Retriever puppy
- 7:58Speaker 2: he ordered has a dad that looks like a dog
- 8:01Speaker 2: he owned twenty years ago, and since that dog was
- 8:04Speaker 2: a good pheasant hunter, some crazy esthetic transcendent properties will
- 8:09Speaker 2: come into play and the new puppies should be a
- 8:11Speaker 2: rooster flushing machine. That's not really how it works, unfortunately. Anyway,
- 8:18Speaker 2: get your soil tested. Follow the instructions so you do
- 8:21Speaker 2: it right. You want to know the pH a your soil.
- 8:25Speaker 2: You know what the soil consists of for organic matter.
- 8:28Speaker 2: You want to know what the fertilizer recommendations are from
- 8:30Speaker 2: the pros. This is like the instruction booklet sort of
- 8:35Speaker 2: for how to build a little deer buffet. Starts with
- 8:37Speaker 2: the soil. Y'all also want to eyeball your plot just
- 8:41Speaker 2: to see how much sunlight it'll get. Sun is real
- 8:44Speaker 2: important to plants since it delivers tiny little packets of
- 8:47Speaker 2: energy called photons. Plants need these. And while you might
- 8:51Speaker 2: think about putting a kill plot in on a logging
- 8:54Speaker 2: road in the timber and then just using some kind
- 8:57Speaker 2: of shady seed mix, that's a tough one in my experience.
- 9:00Speaker 2: Without a decent amount of sunlight throughout the first months
- 9:02Speaker 2: of the growing season, just going to be in trouble
- 9:05Speaker 2: quite a bit. I mean, I find myself cutting down
- 9:08Speaker 2: shrubs and trees around my kill plots every spring in
- 9:11Speaker 2: the interest of keeping the sunlight in and the shade out.
- 9:15Speaker 2: I also find myself fighting weeds a lot, and you
- 9:19Speaker 2: will too if you march into the woods and start
- 9:21Speaker 2: clearing out an eighth of an acre to plant some
- 9:23Speaker 2: clover or something. The soil just about anywhere, but especially
- 9:27Speaker 2: in the woods is going to be ripe with seeds
- 9:31Speaker 2: of all kinds. It's just waiting for the canopy to
- 9:35Speaker 2: open up and so it can sprout all kinds of
- 9:37Speaker 2: undesirable grasses and weeds and other plants. This is a
- 9:41Speaker 2: lesson just about every food plot first time or learns.
- 9:45Speaker 2: How you deal with this is up to you. I
- 9:47Speaker 2: once wrote an article for Outdoor News about spraying a
- 9:50Speaker 2: small food plot with roundup to kill it off, and
- 9:53Speaker 2: you'd have sworn. I advocated drowning Labrador Retriever puppies just
- 9:56Speaker 2: for fun, while simultaneously kicking toddlers in the face with
- 10:00Speaker 2: steel toed boots, also for fun. I guess the people
- 10:03Speaker 2: who got super mad at me conveniently ignored the widespread
- 10:06Speaker 2: use of the herbicide and many others by people working
- 10:10Speaker 2: thousands of acres of land and producing the food that
- 10:13Speaker 2: the world eats. Kind Of like how anti hunters focus
- 10:16Speaker 2: on us being just horrible people because of what we
- 10:19Speaker 2: do to animals, but not really focusing on the general
- 10:22Speaker 2: public and their appetite for m pigs and cows and
- 10:26Speaker 2: chickens and stuff. And you know the factory farming that
- 10:29Speaker 2: goes along with feeding a population of billions and all
- 10:32Speaker 2: the bad stuff there. Any huski, maybe you have to
- 10:37Speaker 2: clear out and till up your spot and then spray
- 10:40Speaker 2: it or burn it or do something cast a curse
- 10:43Speaker 2: on it. I don't know, Harry Potter. That shit the weeds,
- 10:46Speaker 2: they're going to be an issue every year. This is
- 10:50Speaker 2: especially true if you're making an elbow grease food plot
- 10:52Speaker 2: and don't have any real equipment besides what amounts to
- 10:55Speaker 2: sweat equity and manual labors. First timers opt for a
- 11:01Speaker 2: seed blend to start with as well, figuring that if
- 11:04Speaker 2: I don't know, we like a variety in our diet,
- 11:06Speaker 2: why not the deer? Also? Why not give all kinds
- 11:09Speaker 2: of edible plants the chance to grow instead of one
- 11:12Speaker 2: type that might be susceptible to drought or too much
- 11:15Speaker 2: rain or whatever. Listen. Results vary, of course, but my
- 11:19Speaker 2: experience in this realm is that my seed blend plots
- 11:23Speaker 2: become an awful lot like weed blend plots. That's a
- 11:26Speaker 2: dad joke for you guys. I find it's easier to
- 11:29Speaker 2: pick something that should grow in my world and should
- 11:32Speaker 2: be appealing to deer almost the entire season. That rules
- 11:35Speaker 2: out the blends, but also some of the stuff like
- 11:38Speaker 2: brassicas and other food plot plants that might be more
- 11:42Speaker 2: beneficial as the season gets later and later and later. Personally,
- 11:46Speaker 2: I want something the deer will eat in September, October,
- 11:49Speaker 2: and at least early November. That's just me, though you
- 11:52Speaker 2: do yours according to what your hunting strategies are and
- 11:55Speaker 2: where you live and what your soil's like. Now. I
- 11:58Speaker 2: also like planning perennials, which means it's going to come
- 12:02Speaker 2: back year after a year without receding. This leads me
- 12:05Speaker 2: right back to clover typically because the deer love it.
- 12:09Speaker 2: It's pretty hardy, and a good planning will last me
- 12:12Speaker 2: up to about five years. Because even my clover plots
- 12:15Speaker 2: are so, so I will also throw in a handful
- 12:18Speaker 2: of oats, usually in August. Oats will damn near grow
- 12:22Speaker 2: on pavement if they get a little rain, so this
- 12:25Speaker 2: is like an insurance policy in case my clover sucks. Plus,
- 12:29Speaker 2: where I have kill plots, good deer food is pretty
- 12:32Speaker 2: hard to come by, so even oats, especially fresh oats
- 12:36Speaker 2: that haven't headed out yet, pretty attractive. This is sort
- 12:40Speaker 2: of my go to from year to year. Now I
- 12:42Speaker 2: do spend quite a bit of time eat spring, hauling
- 12:44Speaker 2: in bags of lime and sometimes fertilizer. It's like my
- 12:48Speaker 2: soil is always in need of a pH boost that
- 12:50Speaker 2: line provides, and it's always in need of the extra
- 12:52Speaker 2: juicy juice that fertilizer provides. I've learned all of this
- 12:57Speaker 2: through trial and error. In the places where I can
- 13:00Speaker 2: mess with a plot, you're gonna have to find your
- 13:02Speaker 2: own way. But if I could offer up general advice,
- 13:06Speaker 2: it would be to stick to the instructions and keep
- 13:08Speaker 2: things simple. The simpler you go, the easier it is
- 13:11Speaker 2: to figure out your problems and remedy them. I'd also
- 13:15Speaker 2: advise this keep your expectations in check. My absolute favorite
- 13:21Speaker 2: part about putting in kill plots is putting in kill plots.
- 13:25Speaker 2: It's fun to get your hands dirty and clear out
- 13:27Speaker 2: a little spot for the deer. It's fun to watch
- 13:29Speaker 2: the forecast and cross your fingers and realize that you
- 13:32Speaker 2: have a bet a deer munchi's growing out there that
- 13:34Speaker 2: you did yourself. What's not fun, at least for me personally,
- 13:39Speaker 2: is hunting over a plot. I don't know why, and
- 13:42Speaker 2: it's not to say I don't, because sometimes I do.
- 13:45Speaker 2: But I get far far more enjoyment out of work
- 13:48Speaker 2: in the land, getting something to grow, and then going
- 13:51Speaker 2: to hunt somewhere else. I do, as I mentioned earlier,
- 13:55Speaker 2: love taking my daughters out to a kill plot when
- 13:57Speaker 2: I know at least a few year have been using
- 13:59Speaker 2: it somewhat consistently. And I do love to see the
- 14:02Speaker 2: grouse and the bunnies show up too, and occasionally bears.
- 14:05Speaker 2: Black bears eat a lot of different stuff, being the
- 14:08Speaker 2: not too picky omnivores they are, but I also know
- 14:11Speaker 2: that they love eating fresh oats and absolutely destroying the
- 14:15Speaker 2: raspberries that sometimes grow around my plots. I think that's
- 14:18Speaker 2: pretty cool, although I can't really articulate why. Another thing
- 14:22Speaker 2: that you'll learn to love about food plots is that
- 14:25Speaker 2: if you want to keep them going, you gotta do
- 14:27Speaker 2: the work. A lot of white tail hunting isn't really
- 14:30Speaker 2: that much work these days, which is one of the
- 14:33Speaker 2: reasons we love trail cameras. They just do so much
- 14:35Speaker 2: of the heavy lifting for us now, unless you pay
- 14:39Speaker 2: someone else to put your plots in, which if you
- 14:41Speaker 2: do that, you're not really worried about a small kill
- 14:43Speaker 2: plot in the woods. Anyway. You're just gonna have to
- 14:46Speaker 2: do some work from year to year. There will be
- 14:49Speaker 2: brush to clear in the winter, soil to work in
- 14:51Speaker 2: the spring, maintenance like mowing throughout the season, and probably
- 14:56Speaker 2: if you're like me, you'll just find yourself piss sing
- 15:00Speaker 2: off some yellow jacket and nests in the process. Because
- 15:02Speaker 2: of those feisty som bitches seem to love food plots,
- 15:05Speaker 2: and it gives me super great satisfaction to find a
- 15:09Speaker 2: nest of them that has recently been dug up by
- 15:12Speaker 2: a bear. Take that, you stingy pricks. So is a
- 15:17Speaker 2: little kill plot the answer to your deer hunting woes.
- 15:20Speaker 2: Probably not, but it's another part of the process to love,
- 15:23Speaker 2: and it just might keep a dough group or two
- 15:25Speaker 2: around one of your favorite stand sites, or maybe you're
- 15:27Speaker 2: into it just for your first buck, and that little
- 15:30Speaker 2: six pointer who kind of got booted out of his
- 15:33Speaker 2: home range and he's looking for someplace new decides to
- 15:35Speaker 2: set up shop in your clover. Maybe that's good enough
- 15:38Speaker 2: and you're gonna be able to go in there and
- 15:39Speaker 2: shoot him, Or those dough groups that swing through for
- 15:42Speaker 2: a mouth full of clover happen to decide that your
- 15:44Speaker 2: kill plot is going to be a part of their
- 15:46Speaker 2: day to day life, and on one of those days,
- 15:49Speaker 2: maybe about the first week of November, one of the
- 15:51Speaker 2: big boys in the neighborhood will follow them into the
- 15:53Speaker 2: plot while you're sitting over it. Or maybe maybe you
- 15:57Speaker 2: know someone who's never killed a deer and they'd be
- 15:59Speaker 2: tickled pink to arrow dough and you could facilitate that
- 16:01Speaker 2: right quick with your little clover plot. Or perhaps you
- 16:05Speaker 2: have twin girls who want to contribute to the family
- 16:07Speaker 2: dowry of venison, and so they hunt hungry in a
- 16:09Speaker 2: spot where a few doughs and a few spikes and
- 16:11Speaker 2: forki's are likely to show up at some point in
- 16:13Speaker 2: the season, and then when they do, you see one
- 16:17Speaker 2: hell of a benefit to work in the soil and
- 16:19Speaker 2: sweating your ass off and dodging some bees. Now, listen,
- 16:24Speaker 2: I know some people who are going to hear this,
- 16:26Speaker 2: and they're going to say food plots or bait plots,
- 16:29Speaker 2: and that's essentially cheating to them. I say, I don't
- 16:32Speaker 2: care you do you and you hunt natural travel roads exclusively,
- 16:36Speaker 2: that's what blows the wind up your skirt. A lot
- 16:39Speaker 2: of hunters aren't like that, And honestly, when almost any
- 16:42Speaker 2: hunter has the chance to put in a kill plot,
- 16:44Speaker 2: they usually do. A lot of them fail, which is
- 16:47Speaker 2: not a story you hear out of the hunting industry
- 16:49Speaker 2: very often, but it's true. It's not as easy as
- 16:51Speaker 2: it looks to take a patch of woods or a
- 16:53Speaker 2: natural meadow and transform it into a lush, beautiful spot
- 16:56Speaker 2: full of the kind of calories that deer just can't ignore.
- 16:59Speaker 2: But it is fun. So get out there if you
- 17:01Speaker 2: can and start thinking about how to babysit the soil
- 17:03Speaker 2: a little bit to get something beneficial to grow. And
- 17:06Speaker 2: tune in next week because it is the one hundredth
- 17:09Speaker 2: episode of Foundations, and just for the hell of it,
- 17:12Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you some deer hunting stories that
- 17:14Speaker 2: might make you laugh, might make you ponder your own success,
- 17:17Speaker 2: and will probably make you question how the hell I
- 17:19Speaker 2: ever killed a single deer with my bowe in my life.
- 17:23Speaker 2: That's it for this week, my friends, thank you so
- 17:26Speaker 2: much for tuning in. I'm Tony Peterson. This has been
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