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S2 E1: If Star Wars Characters Were Greek Gods and Goddesses · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there, it's time for Most Things Kenobi.
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  Shouldn't it be all things Kenobi?
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  Hi everyone, welcome to another episode and another season of
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  Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all
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  things Star Wars. I'm your host, Lauren.
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  And I'm your host, Leanne. And we're back, baby.
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  We're back. We're back in the saddle again.
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  That was a a ride, wasn't it? Yeah, I like that Season 1 is
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  like 158 episodes long or something like that.
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  Well, you know, it took, it took life jerking us around just
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  enough to bring us to a new season and the start of several
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  new seasons. I think we're going to go in the
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  route the the route of having seasons now so that, you know,
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  when things crop up, we can just go ahead and take that break for
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  our mental sanity. Yes, we've been going hard for
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  years, actually. Once a week, every week, for
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  more than two years, right? Yeah.
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  So I think we've earned a new structure, one that's a little
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  more maintainable at this point. I think so.
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  I think burnout is a real thing and I think we it would service
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  us and our fans and listeners that we stay consistent but
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  manageable so that we can stay consistent.
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  And then if stuff does come up like it did, you know, and where
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  we have to just compartmentalize and let life happen, then it's
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  not so much of a hard stop. Yeah.
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  And for that, I would like to say thank you to everyone for
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  your unending patience and kindness through all of this.
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  You're more than wonderful. There are no words.
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  There really aren't. Yeah, we've had a lot of
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  messages saying take your time, we'll be here when you come
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  back. It was really, I'm not surprised
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  because our fans are the best ever, but it was still really,
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  it really touched my heart. The people were so kind and so
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  supportive and stuck with us through a big spell of
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  inconsistency followed by silence.
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  It just it, it really did make a difference, though.
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  We're back and we're we feel strong, we feel good, we're in a
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  good spot. Life has dealt us some blows.
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  Not all of them are resolved, but we're in a position where we
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  can at least come back to the thing that we love and that has
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  always been there for us through everything, and that's Star Wars
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  and our friendship. Yes.
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  That to me is like just, we've Facetimed a few times for fun
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  just in the last few weeks, and it's felt so before the podcast,
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  you know, we were just hanging out as friends.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's been nice to reconnect that
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  way. I mean, it's great that podcast
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  is an excuse to hang out, but it's nice also to have our
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  friendship and not just Star Wars.
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  But I will say that with all this horrible shit that's been
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  going on in my regular life, I have actually resorted back to
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  using Star Wars as like a comfort show, you know?
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's always there.
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  I mean, shit, maybe we should do an episode on why Star Wars is
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  there for us. Remember how we did it and and
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  pulled everybody? We talked about it a little bit,
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  but holy fuck, yeah, we had to lean on it.
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  Yeah, it's been a refresher this year. 2024 has been a year of
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  stress, that's for sure. Yeah.
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  We're hoping that smoother waters are ahead.
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  We're planning to do episodes every other week moving forward
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  just so that we can. We have day jobs and we have
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  busy lives, and this will just make it easier for us to do.
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  Both have a little balance, right, Which is what we want to
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  talk about with Qui Gon Jin. Thank you.
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  Oh God, I love him. We need him.
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  So we'll do every other week and then we will break down into
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  seasons where we're going to take maybe a month off here and
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  there as we decide there's no, we haven't decided like what
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  that schedule will be, but we're going to need breaks.
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  It's just that's just life. So I would love to do this as a
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  full time job, but that's just not been.
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  Possible So yeah, no, I agree, but shit, it's it is a it is a
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  bright spot because I get to hang out with you and and kind
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  of hang out with everyone by proxy through this through this
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  podcast. So.
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  And it always makes me laugh like we always have.
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  Truly. And then when we edit it we re
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  laugh over the shit we already laughed at.
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  Or stuff I totally forgot we even did.
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  That's always a gem when we I'm editing and I find something
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  that I forgot we said and I'll laugh Totally.
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  So to start things off, we're gonna revisit that last topic we
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  mentioned in our last episode, whatever that was.
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  I don't even remember what that was.
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  I think we wrapped up the acolyte.
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  And was that? Yeah, that sounds really.
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  As that season ended, so did ours, although not everyone died
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  in this cast. Correct.
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  OK, we're still here, so. We just hibernated for a couple
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  of weeks and. We shut, we powered down and
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  then, you know, took a rest, defragged our our CPUs and then
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  powered back up. Was that the nerdiest thing I've
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  ever said? Probably not, but pretty well.
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  I don't know. I mean, it depends on what we
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  call nerdy. It's true.
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  It's very. True, we are people who write
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  fan fiction, and I think that is one of the ultimate levels of
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  nerdy at least. Like when people are making fun
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  of fandom, they always refer to people who write fan fiction.
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  It's like, hey, like we could be cool too, maybe.
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  Listen, there are people out there writing better stories
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  than than have been written professionally and made money
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  off of. Like yes, let's get fucking real
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  here. Yes, there have been fanfics
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  that I couldn't put down and multiple books that I easily put
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  down because they sucked. Every single script I feel is
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  technically fanfic, it's just they get paid.
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  Nowadays, Yeah, seriously, it's really true.
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  I think there's been several things that have come out in
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  Star Wars recently that felt more like fan fiction than
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  traditional Star Wars. But I'm OK with truly
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  traditional Star Wars not being the end all be all of Star Wars
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  so. Very true.
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  There's rig wiggle room in there.
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  Yes. But yeah, anyway, Acolyte was
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  the last thing we talked about that's well over and done.
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  So I kind of like that we're starting this new season with
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  like an off the wall topic, which I believe is what we refer
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  to this as at the end of our last episode, because it's kind
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  of one of those fun, just weird topics where we get to explore
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  the characters, but as things such as mythological creatures
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  and characters and and and that's what we're doing today,
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  which is the Greek version of the gods and goddesses and
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  mythological characters. Yes, and you're going to have to
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  remind me. We agreed to just write a list
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  of what we thought, right? And then we're going to compare
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  who's on our list and what we think.
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  Yes, OK, yes, I think we didn't. Yeah.
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  We didn't even make a list of our like who we were going to
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  talk about. I just mine is totally based off
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  of Edith Hamilton's mythology and I just went through her list
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  in her book which were like the major gods and goddesses.
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  Not like she does have minor ones in there, but I didn't
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  bother to go that deep so. Well, I just went down through
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  Wikipedia. At first I went through
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  Britannica's list, and then I compared it to Wikipedia's, and
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  depending on who's writing it, there's a different style of how
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  they describe these immortal Greek God and goddesses.
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  So I just said, OK, because there's too much variety, I'll
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  just stick with Wikipedia and go with that.
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  And I went down through the list of the ones that I thought were
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  characters in Star Wars, and if there were any that I couldn't
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  identify or had trouble, I just left them off my list.
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  OK, well. You call out yours and then I'll
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  see if I have it on my list and I'll tell you my choice and if I
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  don't then whatever. How does that sound?
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  This how we roll this is. And then if if there's one on my
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  list that you didn't, then I'll bring it up and vice versa.
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  So. Awesome, that.
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  OK, that works. Cool you following us people.
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  We did not consult each other prior to today on what who we
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  have on our list and what what we think, so bear with us all.
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  Right, so we'll start with Zeus and the description I have.
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  Yes, the. Most important, Titan Cronus,
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  which is Latin Saturn. OK, he ruled over all the other
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  Titans until his son Zeus dethroned him and seized the
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  power for himself. So I think that Zeus is
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  Palpatine and Cronus was Darth Pelagius.
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  Oh, God. OK, OK, Zeus.
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  Is like the supreme ruler, his power was greater than all of
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  the other divinities together. But sometimes there's references
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  to fate, the mystical fate being stronger than Zeus, which to be
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  was like the force has more power than Palpatine.
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  Yeah. Palpatine, Sidious slash Sidious
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  and then his weapon was the Thunderbolt and like Sidious is
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  like. Oh, I didn't even think of that.
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  That's pretty good. That's pretty good, so.
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  That's that's where that's what I started with.
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  So what did you say for Zeus? Interesting I.
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  I didn't go off of any of what you just said, so my answer is
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  why I? Love us.
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  I know I went with Obi Wan and here's why.
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  Oh, interesting. I.
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  Know totally opposite of Palpatine, but if you base it
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  off of Wikipedia's description, OK.
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  He's the king of the gods, right?
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  Ruler of Mount Olympus, God of the sky, whether Thunder,
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  lightning, law, order, and justice.
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  But they say he is depicted as a regal, mature man with a sturdy
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  figure and dark beard. His usual attributes are the
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  royal scepter and the lightning bolt.
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  His sacred animals include the eagle in the bull.
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  He overthrew Cronus and gained the sovereignty of heaven for
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  himself. But of all of this, what struck
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  me was regal, mature man with a sturdy figure in dark beard,
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  law, order and justice. And I said, that's Obi Wan.
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  And that's interesting. From Obi Wan came everything
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  else that trickled down to what we know in Star Wars.
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  Kind of like, you know, Anakin was his padawan.
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  That goes down to Luke, that goes down to OK, so like, he's
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  law, order and justice, man, That's what I think.
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  And he's regal as fuck, so he is.
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  Everyone is very regal and he's got a nice beard, so.
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  And a sturdy figure. We always talk about the Dorito.
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  We're. Very, very appreciative of that
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  figure. I don't know.
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  Zeus is double faced like he's known for.
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  He's a rapist. Oh God, I didn't.
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  Oh. Yeah.
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  And he's definitely like he, he holds people to a very high
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  standard while not maintaining that standard for himself.
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  So he's that's. Palpatine, yeah.
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  So like that's Palpatine but like the good side of him is Obi
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  Wan for sure. The bad side is like who would
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  Mall 100? Percent yes.
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  Yes, because those two are forever intertwined.
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  That totally works. That totally works.
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  You just put Mall and Obi Wan back-to-back and you have Zeus.
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  Oh God, minus the crazy eyes maybe.
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  Oh Lord. Oh, that was a good way to
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  start. Good, good, good on you.
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  All right, well, the next one on the list was Hera, which is
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  Zeus's. Wife I have Hera.
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  This was hard for me because according to Edith Hamilton,
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  Hera was considered beautiful but viciously vindictive towards
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  the women who had been with her husband, whether or not those
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  women were coerced or raped. But she was also a protector of
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  women and marriage and childbirth.
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  So she had this like duality to her.
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  So there's nothing, in my opinion, like the real, like the
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  Hera from Star Wars. But I picked a Saj like Ventress
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  'cause she has that sense of justice and protection of
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  people, Like how she protected that girl who is being sold as
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  like a slave or whatever. But she's also really vicious
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  and vindictive. So I don't know.
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  That was kind of my weak choice. I felt like I didn't have a good
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  strong idea of who I thought Hera was.
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  I also had trouble because I have two and both of them have
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  question marks next to their names in this list.
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  And because of that difficulty between Queen of the gods,
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  goddess of women, children, heirs, kings, empires, blah blah
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  blah blah blah, you can you can go immediately to Padme because
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  she literally is the mother of all the kings and everyone that
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  follows beyond like. With.
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  Luke and Leia and just she's a goddess, period.
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  But she doesn't have that vindictive side, although she's
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  very strong and a fighter and she will protect her kind, you
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  know, whoever she's around. But I also thought that a good
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  maternal figure, if we're going to go with that, is Andor's
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  mother because she's real violent.
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  Like, she had it in her. What's, what's her name?
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  Marva. Marva.
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  Yeah. I just put Andor's mother
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  because I couldn't remember it when I made the list.
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  But I also thought, like, she has an undercurrent of like, I
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  will take you the fuck down. And all the violence she incited
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  at the end of and, or even though she was, she had passed
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  on. So I was in between the two
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  because they're kind of a good blend.
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  And yeah. I like that a lot actually.
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  I mean, I don't know that she's jealous or vengeful like like
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  this description says, I don't think that at all, but I think
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  she is a little vengeful for her husband.
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  She wants to avenge her people like it doesn't have to be like
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  vengefulness is is talked about in a negative light here, but I
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  think it could be a positive light for if you take into
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  consider Marva. She was sick of having the
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  Empire's boot on her neck. And yeah, yeah, for sure.
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  Yeah. That's awesome.
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  I didn't even think of her as an option for that, but I think
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  that's a really good choice. Well, some of these are real.
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  They're a little loosey goosey because a lot of these gods and
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  goddesses are extremely volatile in nature.
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  Yeah, just a sign of the time, like.
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  The whole part of being a deity, right, is that you have like all
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  this phenomenal cosmic power, as the genie says in Aladdin.
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  But like like that can have like a bit of A2 face to it then
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  because they can have whatever they want and they can get
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  selfish, but then they can also use the power to do good.
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  So yes, these. Are not hard and fast, yeah.
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  They're not like 100% and that I do think Star Wars does that
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  with Greek mythology. They pull a lot of the ideas and
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  like the the core is in Greek mythology, but then the way they
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  handle it is sometimes way less fucking horrific.
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  I'm talking about like the original trilogy.
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  Nowadays it's a whole other thing.
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  But right. Yeah.
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  All right. Who's next?
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  Who do you have next? Is Hades.
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  I do have Hades. The description I read said he
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  had a far famed cap or helmet, which made whoever wore it
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  invisible. It was rare that he left his
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  dark realm, nor was he urged to do so.
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  He was not a welcome visitor. He was unpitying, inexorable,
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  but just a terrible but not evil God.
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  So I picked Vader for that. I have Palpatine, Sidious.
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  Interesting. Yeah.
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  So basically kind of the same, yeah, I mean.
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  Vader to me was we knew he was terrible and he was always
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  talked about as evil. But Luke saw that he was not
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  like that. He was redeemable.
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  Right. And he's he was not pitying of
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  anyone until Luke basically, right.
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  I mean, when, when he's down in the lightning and all that, like
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  he made a choice. They're like, this isn't gonna
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  fly. When it I read he was not a
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  welcome visitor, I just kept thinking of Lando.
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  He's just like this deal keeps getting worse all the time.
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  That's really, that's a good, that's a good.
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  That's pretty good. Yeah, 'cause.
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  He's not like, Hades was not evil, but if he showed up at
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  your party, you'd be like, he's definitely got a bad vibe.
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  This guy's bringing the mood down.
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  Yeah, and. He wasn't like the Grim Reaper,
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  but he was the God of the underworld, you know?
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  So it was just like, not pleasant company, no.
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  Nobody wants to and he had a three headed dog that hung out
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  with him, which I thought of as as Tark Tarkin, Vader and that
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  other guy that that ends up taking the place of that one.
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  He dies. We read the gosh.
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  Who was that? You know the.
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  Short story. It was a point of view.
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  You know that guy, Piet? Admiral Piet.
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  Yes, so those are his three. That's Palpatir, Sidious 3
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  headed dog. Oh my God, I love that so.
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  I, I went a level above, but just because he's the king of
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  the dead. I was like, well, everyone's
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  dead whenever they come in contact with fucking Sidious.
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  He's the God of wealth, which I thought I, I thought back to our
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  seven deadly sins and, and the greed aspect that goes along
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  with wealth. And I thought that was Sidious
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  just because he not necessarily like silver and gold, but like
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  planets and communities upon communities of just pillaging.
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  Yeah, I mean, wealth is defined by the person a lot of times,
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  and his idea of wealth was power and not money was part of it.
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  But that wasn't his ultimate goal, was it?
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  Money, it was. Power over it was.
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  Power, wealth, If you ask a bad guy, you know.
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  Yeah, Yeah, I can. Never have too much.
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  Oh, that's interesting. And the idea of his famed like
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  his famous helmet that makes him invisible.
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  It's like Sidious cloak that he pulls up over his head and then
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  all of a sudden no one can tell who his identity is.
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  Well. I immediately thought of the
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  invisibility cloak of of Harry Potter.
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  Yes, which I love. I wish I had one I.
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  Do too imagine the things you could do with your life.
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  I would solve so many issues. Or maybe not, maybe not.
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  Let's not go there. All right, so the next one I
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  have is Athena. Oh yes, I have two choices for
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  this one. First of all, Athena is what I
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  would name my daughter if I ever had a daughter.
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  It's she's my favorite Greek God goddess and I love owls because
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  of her. And this all stemmed from like a
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  grade school project, so. Same thing here 'cause we're
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  still twins. Yes, of course.
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  I thought, I thought it was your favorite too.
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  So yeah. So who do you have and what is?
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  What was the definition from your the author's?
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  Point of view. She said that she was the
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  daughter of Zeus alone. She had no mother.
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  She sprang forth from Zeus's head, fully grown and in full
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  armor. She is a fierce and ruthless
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  battle goddess. Or she is warlike only to defend
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  the state. Like, it kind of depends on
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  which version of her. Sometimes she's just like ready
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  to fuck things up, and other times it's only to like, protect
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  the civilized life. She was Zeus's favorite child.
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  He trusted her to carry his awful Aegis, his his like, his
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  shield, the buckler, and his devastating weapon, the
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  Thunderbolt. And I picked Ray for this.
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  Oh, that's a good choice. I would not have expected that.
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  Yeah, I was kind of like, oh, yeah, when I thought of it,
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  'cause she is an orphan, but her father was a clone, I believe,
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  right? Yeah.
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  The idea of her not having a mother, which I know she did
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  have a birth mother, but that that kind of ties together that
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  she's like, kind of a clone, you know, of Palpatine.
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  And she's able to be fierce as fuck, but she usually only wants
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  to use that power for good. She doesn't just run around full
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  of rage. She kind of, like, learned about
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  her dark side and tried to control it.
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  And like, she gets past the lightsaber and then the
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  knowledge and all this stuff is very much to me like Athena.
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  But yeah. What did you have?
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  I had Ahsoka and. That's a good one too.
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  For all the things that you described and what Wikipedia
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  has, which is a huge list of of attributes, she's the goddess of
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  reason, wisdom, intelligence, skill, peace, warfare, battle
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  strategy, and handicrafts. OK, to me that was what the.
• 22:29
  Handicrafts gets yeah. Right.
• 22:31
  For her, right? Yeah.
• 22:33
  But craft that totally. It totally screams Ahsoka.
• 22:37
  It's kind of like the she's armed with this passed down
• 22:42
  shield and spear, right? Which I think is kind of like
• 22:44
  the knowledge that she was passed on from Anakin in a more
• 22:48
  symbolic sense. She carries a heavy load because
• 22:51
  she is the Padawan of Anakin Skywalker and to a lesser
• 22:55
  extent, but still still there. Obi Wan poets describe her as
• 23:00
  having especially bright, keen eyes, which I mean, anyone who
• 23:04
  knows Ahsoka knows about her eyes, right?
• 23:07
  Beautiful. And she is commonly shown being
• 23:10
  accompanied by her sacred animal, the owl, which I thought
• 23:13
  was a very close second to her little the sister, you know, the
• 23:20
  daughters, The Morai thing. Yeah.
• 23:22
  The Morai, Yeah. Totally, yes.
• 23:26
  I didn't even think of that. That's awesome.
• 23:28
  And she is. There's a lot of art of her with
• 23:30
  like her staff with the Morai on top of it was very much yes.
• 23:35
  Athena with the owl. Yeah, I just think it screams
• 23:41
  Ahsoka. But also, Ray, after you said
• 23:43
  that, I'm like, Oh my God, how did I see that?
• 23:44
  But you know, and she can be ruthless and she's a battler.
• 23:50
  She has great strategy. She's all of it.
• 23:52
  So. Yeah, well, and Ahsoka has that
• 23:55
  in Season 7 where she's with Rex and she doesn't want to hurt the
• 23:59
  clones. That's such a Athena thing where
• 24:03
  it's like she can, she could go out there and kill all of them
• 24:06
  if she doesn't want to, unless it's, you know, she doesn't want
• 24:10
  to perpetrate violence unless it's absolutely necessary,
• 24:14
  especially if she gets true, if she gets older, that's more and
• 24:18
  more how she she approaches things.
• 24:21
  When she was young, she would just like run in, you know, full
• 24:24
  cement head and not think about the consequences.
• 24:27
  Well, true. I mean, that's just part of
• 24:29
  being Anakin's padawan. Yes, she.
• 24:32
  Learned you know and and she do that was great.
• 24:36
  I like that That's that was a good one.
• 24:38
  This is cool. I love how we have totally
• 24:40
  different answers, but they work.
• 24:41
  Yeah. They work.
• 24:42
  Yep. All right.
• 24:44
  So who's next? The next one I have is Apollo.
• 24:48
  OK, OK. Like.
• 24:51
  Mine has a question mark next to it because like, yes and no.
• 24:55
  So Apollo is the God of light and whom is no darkness at all.
• 25:00
  So he is the God of truth. He was the God of divine
• 25:04
  distance who sent a threat from afar, the God who made men aware
• 25:09
  of their own guilt and purified them, who presided over
• 25:13
  religious law and the constitutions of cities, who
• 25:16
  communicated with mortals through prophets and oracles,
• 25:19
  his knowledge of the future and the wills of his father's Zeus.
• 25:22
  So I picked Luke for this. I also have Luke D for Apollo.
• 25:29
  Yes, the. Thing that makes me question it
• 25:33
  is Luke has darkness in him. Yeah.
• 25:36
  And he, he knows it. Like he's aware of it and maybe
• 25:39
  that's what makes him so good. I don't know.
• 25:43
  He's. Defined by the light though,
• 25:44
  because he made his choice and he chose light in the end.
• 25:47
  So you could say. Right.
• 25:49
  And I had to laugh, 'cause it said the God of divine distance
• 25:52
  who sent threats from afar. And that was so like the Last
• 25:56
  Jedi when he does that Force projection.
• 25:58
  Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't even think of that, 'cause that's
• 26:01
  never on my mind. But you're right, right?
• 26:06
  But then the God who made men aware of their own guilds and
• 26:09
  purified them is totally Luke and Vader.
• 26:13
  True. Very, so, very much so.
• 26:15
  Did you know he's a twin? Apollo has a twin, Yes.
• 26:18
  Exactly. So there's that.
• 26:21
  And I didn't realize it until I picked Leia for his twin.
• 26:25
  And then I was like, oh, they're twins.
• 26:27
  Well, look at. That.
• 26:30
  Works out perfect, doesn't it? I don't.
• 26:32
  Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 26:33
  OK yeah, so Wikipedia's description again with the list
• 26:37
  of traits, is the God of music, arts, knowledge, healing,
• 26:42
  plague, prophecy, poetry, manly beauty, and archery.
• 26:49
  Apollo is depicted as a young, beardless, handsome and athletic
• 26:53
  man. He can be cruel and destructive,
• 26:58
  and his love affairs are rarely happy.
• 27:01
  Oh man. This just seems like Luke to me
• 27:04
  or Obi Wan in that respect, but yeah.
• 27:06
  Honestly, both of them, it's just like, 'cause even if you
• 27:09
  like Legends Luke with Mara Jade like it just is, it doesn't end
• 27:13
  well. Yeah, not, not a lot of anything
• 27:16
  for Luke, ends that Great. So it's just just so.
• 27:21
  I like to live in a bubble where I pretend like he was just
• 27:24
  happy. I know, but it's Star Wars and
• 27:27
  we know that's not true. I know it's all it can never be
• 27:30
  true anyway. I thought that was, that was
• 27:34
  very, very Luke to me. Yeah, definitely the beautiful,
• 27:39
  like beardless boys. No lies detected.
• 27:42
  Nope. Zero lies detected.
• 27:47
  OK, so his twin is Artemis. Yes.
• 27:52
  And she was the lady of wild things, the Huntsman in chief to
• 27:57
  the gods, An odd office for a woman.
• 27:59
  So said this book, she was the protectress of Dewey youth.
• 28:05
  And on the other hand, she could be fierce and revengeful.
• 28:08
  And that's why I push Leia 'cause I thought she had, first
• 28:12
  of all, the Lady of Wild Things, Like, right?
• 28:15
  She's. This young lady who is in the
• 28:19
  head of the rebellion. Right.
• 28:21
  Like and she's dating Han Solo, the king of the wild thing.
• 28:28
  Exactly. The fact that they were twins, I
• 28:31
  was just like, Oh well, that's perfect it.
• 28:33
  Kind of it kind of works strangely well the Apollo and
• 28:37
  Artemis twinage here that I do wonder if there's some symbology
• 28:41
  there in in Star Wars, you know, yeah, famous twins throughout
• 28:46
  history. Apollo and Artemis are kind of
• 28:48
  in there. So you know that'd.
• 28:50
  Be a fun episode to do Famous Twins.
• 28:53
  It would be actually yeah, I I also had another option.
• 28:58
  I had Leia of course, but I also had Omega cuz she's also the
• 29:03
  twin sister of of what's his name.
• 29:07
  My brain is dead. Oh boba Boba.
• 29:12
  OK, so she is also she loves her bow and arrow.
• 29:16
  She's an archery you're. Fanatic.
• 29:21
  She's the goddess of hunt in wilderness, moon and young
• 29:24
  girls, and equipped with a silver hunting bow and quiver of
• 29:28
  arrows. Yeah, you'll always see any art
• 29:31
  of Artemis has her with her bow and arrows.
• 29:33
  Always. Pretty much.
• 29:34
  So I was like, oh, little Omega, that could be Omega too it.
• 29:38
  Really could be. That's a great choice because
• 29:40
  Artemis is also the maiden. You know, she's like youthful
• 29:44
  and. I mean, so is Leia.
• 29:45
  Leia is always shown as. I mean, everyone's iconic Leia
• 29:49
  is in that white dress, which they say she's dressed in a.
• 29:54
  A light. Chiton, chiton, chiton.
• 29:58
  How do you pronounce that? She's dressed in a dress that's
• 30:01
  light in color, so there. Yeah, that's a good choice.
• 30:09
  Next I have Aphrodite. Oh my God, OK this was a hard
• 30:14
  one for me but as soon as it came to me I said OK this is my
• 30:17
  choice. So I'm very curious to hear who
• 30:19
  you have. Yeah, so it sounds a little
• 30:23
  cliche and I almost hate to put her in this position, but
• 30:27
  Aphrodite isn't. Is Aphrodite different than
• 30:30
  Venus? Roman counterpart is Venus.
• 30:32
  Oh it. Is the Roman counterpart.
• 30:34
  Yeah. All right.
• 30:34
  Yeah, that's OK. That's what I thought.
• 30:36
  So she's the goddess of love and beauty who beguiled all gods and
• 30:41
  men alike. Without her, there is no joy nor
• 30:43
  loveliness anywhere. In later poems, she is usually
• 30:47
  shown as treacherous and malicious, exerting a deadly and
• 30:50
  destructive power over man. So I picked Padme because.
• 30:57
  She is. Beautiful and lovely, and Anakin
• 31:00
  is so smitten with her. And ultimately Anakin's downfall
• 31:04
  is because of her. I hate to say because of her,
• 31:07
  but like, you know, to simplify it.
• 31:09
  It was the fate. Yeah, like his obsession with
• 31:13
  her. And yeah, so she is like the
• 31:17
  deadly destructive power in his life without meaning to be.
• 31:21
  So it just happens to be the way fate put their lives together.
• 31:24
  Totally. So that's what I picked.
• 31:26
  But I I really struggled, honestly, to pick one.
• 31:29
  I'm curious who you chose. Please tell me you picked Cassie
• 31:32
  Nandor. I.
• 31:33
  I didn't. Damn it.
• 31:37
  I picked size noodles and I'm not joking, that was not.
• 31:44
  At all, I said. Yep, this is it.
• 31:48
  This is exactly it. For everything that you said, it
• 31:52
  reaffirmed why I picked size noodles as Aphrodite.
• 31:56
  Honest to God, it makes. Sense.
• 31:58
  Doesn't it Reread what you just told me and think of sigh.
• 32:02
  Because she is it OK? In addition, in addition she had
• 32:11
  many lovers, OK? She's usually depicted as naked
• 32:15
  or semi nude. OK.
• 32:22
  She's. Destructive pleasure, love,
• 32:26
  desire. She came from the severed
• 32:29
  genitals of Uranus. I just.
• 32:32
  I can't see it. I know.
• 32:35
  I she is a she seduces man, beast, creature, everything in
• 32:42
  between. Yep.
• 32:45
  Sigh, The this is a better choice.
• 32:48
  I can't. I'm sorry for putting Padme
• 32:51
  where I put her and I'm just going to let her.
• 32:53
  Padme is the obvious choice to dig a little deeper into the
• 32:57
  fact that we have a semi naked odd looking seducer of man and
• 33:05
  creatures. Yeah, you get size SO0.
• 33:10
  The Hut didn't stand a fucking chance.
• 33:12
  Nope. And why would he look at her?
• 33:14
  OK, Yeah, yeah, she. Knows what?
• 33:17
  She's all lips. She is and voice and the sway of
• 33:22
  her hips when she's going up to that Oh my little Peaches or
• 33:26
  whatever, she says. And she goes up to that cage
• 33:28
  that he's in. She's a seducer.
• 33:31
  Come on, she. Is she really is?
• 33:32
  She knows what she's got. She's not afraid to flaunt it.
• 33:35
  No, and I think she totally looks like she came from the
• 33:38
  severed genitals of Uranus, so yeah.
• 33:44
  I agree, Padme definitely does not deserve that, no.
• 33:48
  Padme is the literal beauty, Love, desire, pleasure.
• 33:52
  Sigh is kind of the hot mess alternative.
• 33:56
  Yes, yeah, I love so there. I stand by my choice.
• 34:03
  I like it. It's good, it's high quality.
• 34:08
  All right, so the next one I have is Hermes.
• 34:10
  Oh. OK, OK, OK.
• 34:11
  Yeah, I have two for this 'cause I couldn't decide.
• 34:14
  OK, so he was graceful and swift in motion, had wings on his
• 34:20
  sandals and his helmet, and he was a master thief, shrewd and
• 34:24
  cunning. So I was Han Solo.
• 34:27
  He was my second choice. He's the Millennium Falcon, has
• 34:31
  wings on his sandals. And then yes, Yeah, a shrewd
• 34:34
  thief. So yes, I thought Han suited it
• 34:37
  pretty good. But who did you have otherwise?
• 34:39
  My other choice was luth and rail.
• 34:42
  Oh, nice. Yeah, kind of the same lines of,
• 34:47
  you know. Yes, yeah, it is very similar.
• 34:50
  It's got this, this ship that has all these fancy.
• 34:54
  Oh, he and he can pilot that like we saw.
• 34:57
  He's good. He's real tricky.
• 34:59
  But in this list from Wikipedia, it says he's the God of
• 35:03
  boundaries, travel, trade, communication, language,
• 35:06
  writing, cunning, and thieves. He was also responsible for
• 35:10
  protecting livestock and presided over the spheres
• 35:13
  associated with music, luck, deception, and fertility.
• 35:17
  So he was also a messenger of the gods.
• 35:21
  And he was depicted as either a handsome and athletic beardless
• 35:25
  youth, Han, or an older bearded man, Lutheran.
• 35:30
  I mean, he had more facial hair, you know?
• 35:32
  But yeah, it's just. Lutheran wore a wig.
• 35:35
  We could call that his beard that.
• 35:37
  Too. I mean, he could transform
• 35:39
  literally quite easily. Didn't he have like stubble?
• 35:42
  I'm picturing him with stubble and kind of more he's he's more
• 35:45
  worn down. Yeah, he didn't have facial
• 35:48
  hair, but he was just old. Oh.
• 35:50
  Maybe I'm just thinking of wrinkles.
• 35:52
  Sorry, but I know fans. But like, he's just older and
• 35:56
  more worn than the athletic, beardless youth of Han Solo.
• 36:01
  But they're kind of the same. They're they're good.
• 36:03
  They're doing good. Maybe not through the means, but
• 36:06
  they're they're essentially good.
• 36:08
  Yeah. Lutheran really makes sense,
• 36:10
  especially with the description that you have because he's he's
• 36:13
  like watching over the livestock, but also can steal
• 36:16
  and be a thief and well, the livestock is.
• 36:19
  His group is what I got exactly his like little cadre of.
• 36:24
  They're literally living in a a stockade.
• 36:27
  With sheep, yeah. And he literally steals shit and
• 36:30
  resells it in his shop. Yeah, absolutely.
• 36:34
  But yeah, also Han for sure Han. Clearly.
• 36:38
  Like this is fun. The the Edith Hamilton stuff was
• 36:41
  kind of like super condensed and doesn't have all the.
• 36:44
  Well, these are, I liked them because they were quick like tip
• 36:47
  like 12345 things and I'm like, who does this fit?
• 36:50
  And then the more you get into it, the the less it kind of
• 36:54
  fits. But that's why I thought I'd
• 36:56
  read them. Yeah, that's great.
• 36:58
  So the last one I have is Aries. This is one of where I got some
• 37:02
  information from Wikipedia, because I actually preferred the
• 37:05
  description of Mars 'cause I think the Mars version of Aries
• 37:10
  really fits Anakin very well. Yeah, I have Anakin as well.
• 37:17
  I mean, it makes sense even with just the Aries description.
• 37:20
  So yeah, there's a few like really interesting tidbits about
• 37:24
  him, about Aries slash Mars that I think is why it fits Anakin so
• 37:29
  well. So he was viewed primarily as
• 37:32
  destructive and destabilizing, and he represented military
• 37:37
  power. So this is Anakin, not Vader.
• 37:40
  It's like, correct. The Clone Wars is what I'm
• 37:42
  thinking of a lot. So he saw military power is a
• 37:46
  way to secure peace, which is very revenge of the Sith.
• 37:50
  He had a love affair with Aphrodite.
• 37:54
  Not PSI, not PSI's noodles, but right, Right.
• 37:58
  Yeah. But Homer calls him murderous,
• 38:02
  blood stained, the Incarnate curse of mortals, and strangely
• 38:06
  a coward. Yet he has the train of
• 38:09
  attendance like a bunch of people following him on the
• 38:12
  battlefield which would inspire anyone with confidence.
• 38:14
  So I was thinking Ahsoka and Rex and like the five O first
• 38:18
  following him into battle and then everybody else is like who
• 38:21
  is this reckless asshole? What is he?
• 38:25
  Doing I just think of is it Yolaren who's like I had to be
• 38:31
  in place with Skywalker, you know, Yep.
• 38:34
  Yeah, so they all respected him for in the end he would win the
• 38:38
  battle. He got it done.
• 38:39
  He got it done. Totally time.
• 38:41
  Totally Aries. This is all Aries.
• 38:43
  I couldn't think of anyone else. He's also the most unpopular God
• 38:48
  on earth. Well, it's like when you need
• 38:53
  him, you need him. But again, he's like kind of a
• 38:56
  Dick. Yeah, it's like, oh shit, we
• 38:59
  know this is going to be messy because it's Skywalker.
• 39:02
  So. Yeah, exactly.
• 39:05
  Yeah. And I mean, anytime I think of
• 39:07
  anything that has to do with Mars, I think of red and and
• 39:12
  angry and, you know, not necessarily Mustafar, but I
• 39:15
  think like burnt, desolate. And that's essentially what
• 39:20
  Anakin becomes, is like an empty waste land of where there once
• 39:26
  something flourished, it's done. So the fact that he ends up
• 39:32
  being this kind of symbol of that kind of fits in with the
• 39:37
  Roman counterpart, which is Mars to to Aries and and.
• 39:41
  I, I do think that this only takes Anakin's negative traits
• 39:44
  kind of to into account. It's not all of Anakin obviously
• 39:48
  he's got the other side where he's very passionate and loving
• 39:51
  and like capable of deep feeling and affection.
• 39:54
  But like this is just for these purposes distilling him down
• 39:58
  into his worst traits and most difficult traits of that is why
• 40:02
  I think he fits Mars. But.
• 40:04
  Totally. Well, one more point.
• 40:06
  He generally represents the chaos of war in contrast to
• 40:10
  Athena, the goddess of military strategy and skill.
• 40:13
  And that's him and Ahsoka. So he is literally the contrast
• 40:17
  to Ahsoka AKA Athena in this instance, so I had to throw that
• 40:22
  in there as well. No, I think it's a great point.
• 40:24
  We see. How many times do we see by the
• 40:26
  end of Clone Wars where she's the one trying to like rein him
• 40:29
  in and being like what the fuck? I mean, slow down.
• 40:33
  She learned, she learned everything that made her her
• 40:38
  from Anakin, but at the same time she also learned what not
• 40:42
  to do from Anakin. And that's the best teacher.
• 40:46
  Yeah, is. Sometimes what goes unsaid, but
• 40:49
  you can interpret like, OK, I'm not going to be this way, I'm
• 40:52
  not going to do this. Yeah, at the same time that he's
• 40:55
  telling you what to do. So yeah, it kind of that's a
• 40:59
  perfect way to end this because it all comes back to that.
• 41:03
  So that was a fun list. I'm glad we did it this way.
• 41:05
  That was kind of a surprise, yeah.
• 41:07
  I feel like I've learned a lot. I feel like this is like when
• 41:10
  you'd go to class and you'd learn a bunch of fun stuff and
• 41:12
  it was like, oh, that's really cool.
• 41:14
  Yeah, yeah. I don't.
• 41:15
  I didn't remember a lot of these and, and reading them back, I
• 41:18
  was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:20
  Forgot how twisted that one was or how awful this one was, you
• 41:24
  know. So it was nice to go back and do
• 41:26
  this. Hopefully it was enjoyable for
• 41:27
  everybody. It's just fun.
• 41:29
  It's a fun way to start a new season.
• 41:30
  Really. Yeah.
• 41:32
  I haven't read any of this stuff since college, so it was quite,
• 41:36
  quite a trip to go back and like read the actual stuff.
• 41:40
  You know, we've, we've talked about the mythology and the lore
• 41:44
  and all that in Star Wars, but like to actually go back and
• 41:47
  read it. It's, it's really cool.
• 41:49
  It was fun. I'm glad we did this.
• 41:51
  Yes, I I agree it was. Your idea so good.
• 41:54
  Great idea I. Love that.
• 41:56
  Well, I forgot it was my idea, so there.
• 42:07
  So our question for you this week is we're curious which of
• 42:12
  the Greek gods and or goddesses is your favorite?
• 42:16
  Was it on our list? And also who do you think it
• 42:19
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• 42:23
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• 42:27
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• 42:31
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• 42:34
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• 42:39
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• 42:43
  There was a little trailer, a little sneak peek that came out
• 42:47
  at D23 this year, and it got my brain going, both Tony Gilroy
• 42:53
  and Diego Luna saying it'll change the way you see Rogue
• 42:56
  One, which scares the living daylights out of me.
• 42:58
  But is very scary. Possibly yes.
• 43:02
  So I want to talk about some of the ideas that I had come into
• 43:06
  my mind and we can discuss predictions and what we're
• 43:10
  afraid of happening. Yes, yes.
• 43:13
  It's not, I don't think it's coming out until 2025, but I
• 43:16
  don't, I still don't think it's too early to talk.
• 43:18
  Listen. It's only it's only a few months
• 43:20
  away. You're right, actually.
• 43:23
  Holy shit. I mean.
• 43:23
  The start of 2025 anyway. Not necessarily and or, but
• 43:27
  still we're. Close to the end of the year,
• 43:30
  which is interesting it. Gives us an excuse to talk about
• 43:33
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• 43:36
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