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Wired To Hunt Podcast #128: Analyzing 4 Successful Rut Hunts · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number one
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  Speaker 1: Taylor the show. We're bringing together four hunters who successfully
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  Speaker 1: killed a buck this year during the rut, and we're
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  Speaker 1: examining exactly how those hunts went down, what made them successful,
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  Speaker 1: and what we can learn from them. All Right, well,
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  Speaker 1: before we get into the meat of this episode, we
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  Speaker 1: need to pause briefly to thank our partners at Sick
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  Speaker 1: Of Gear who make this podcast possible. And today we've
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  Speaker 1: got a Sick of story that speaks to some of
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  Speaker 1: the deepest moral and ethical questions that we might face
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  Speaker 1: as hunters. Now. Aaron Hitchins has worked on many of
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  Speaker 1: Six Gears films as a member of the team at
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  Speaker 1: rock House Motion. In this past week, he joined his
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  Speaker 1: buddies down in Kansas for much anticipated white tail hunt.
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  Speaker 1: Given that he's usually filming, he hasn't gotten a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of time down there to just hunt, But this
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  Speaker 1: year was going to be different. He was going to
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  Speaker 1: have the full week to chase a Kansas giant. But
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  Speaker 1: that all changed as darkness faded on the very first
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  Speaker 1: morning and he spotted an old rundown buck lying on
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  Speaker 1: the ground, obviously about to die, just thirty yards from
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  Speaker 1: his stand. I didn't want to shoot something and had
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  Speaker 1: a chance of surviving that I didn't have a really
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  Speaker 1: sporting opportunity with, you know, like I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: walk up to a deer that was having a bad
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  Speaker 1: day and kill it because it was too tight to
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  Speaker 1: run away, you know. Um So as it stood up,
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  Speaker 1: I could tell it was obviously super exhausted, but I
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  Speaker 1: was doing whatever I could to assess its condition, and
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  Speaker 1: it had cut in its face, and basically it just
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  Speaker 1: looked like it would run itself, ragging in the rut.
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  Speaker 1: It was clearly an extremely old deer, you know, eight
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  Speaker 1: to ten kind of range, like very very very old,
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  Speaker 1: smaller in size and in body size, and kind of
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  Speaker 1: started to regress in body size, and and it was
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  Speaker 1: it kind of became clear that this thing was I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's dying of old age or dying
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  Speaker 1: of exhaustion, but eventually it became clear that it was dying.
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  Speaker 1: And it wasn't quite a bit of discomfort and so
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  Speaker 1: I decided to burn my tag and and kill the deer.
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  Speaker 1: And it was tough to me, And it was just
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  Speaker 1: tough on every level, Like it was tough primarily just
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  Speaker 1: sort of seeing death in its natural form and realizing
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  Speaker 1: just how miserable this would be to the deer, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because you think about hunting as it's like, oh, if
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  Speaker 1: you don't kill stuff, it lives, but it doesn't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it lives for a while and then it dies. And
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  Speaker 1: when it dies. Based on what I saw the other day,
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  Speaker 1: and I think what people would consider a relatively peaceful
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  Speaker 1: depths of an animal, you know, it is it is
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  Speaker 1: not this sort of natural, peaceful thing that people imagine.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was very very uncomfortable for the animal.
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  Speaker 1: It was very uncomfortable for me to watch. I basically
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  Speaker 1: realized that this thing was just going to continue to
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  Speaker 1: be exhausted until you know, my expectation was based on
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  Speaker 1: the amount of predative traffic in the area that will
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  Speaker 1: probably just end up getting alive. And it really positioned
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  Speaker 1: what we do is hunters differently in my mind throughout
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  Speaker 1: the sort of the journey as as not necessarily bringing
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  Speaker 1: death to something that would otherwise be life. But bringing
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  Speaker 1: even in case of a non ideal shot, bringing a
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  Speaker 1: more h certainly a swift or death to something that
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  Speaker 1: you know was was awaiting something much more catastrophic as
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  Speaker 1: would happen naturally. So I felt a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: I none of them were positive. But at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, I figured that the you know, I
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  Speaker 1: it was clearly an old deer, it was clearly a warrior.
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  Speaker 1: You know. When I walked up to that deer and grunted,
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  Speaker 1: it stood up basically to fight its last fight. And
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  Speaker 1: there's there's almost just a scent of honor and the animal,
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  Speaker 1: and I figet that the you know, the best, the
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  Speaker 1: most dignity I could offer was a clean, swift kill
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  Speaker 1: and a tough situation and one that I'm sure we'll
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  Speaker 1: stick with Aaron for a very long time. But in
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  Speaker 1: the end, sometimes our responsibilities hunters goes above and beyond
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  Speaker 1: our own personal goals. That said, this was a SI story,
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  Speaker 1: And if you'd like to learn more about gear which
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  Speaker 1: Aaron was wearing during this experience, you can visit sit
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  Speaker 1: gear dot com. And now onto the show. All right,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you
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  Speaker 1: by sit gear and today in the show, we are
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  Speaker 1: bringing together four very serious deer hunters, all with one
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  Speaker 1: thing in common. We have all killed. How are you
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  Speaker 1: laughing already? Dan? Well, you're building I'm sorry for interrupting already,
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  Speaker 1: but you've built this up like we're some panel of
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  Speaker 1: the greatest minds ever. And I'm not here to speak
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  Speaker 1: for the other guys on the on the on the panel,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm like, way below, how you just introduced me. Well, no,
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say. What I meant to say is
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  Speaker 1: we have three very serious deer hunters and one schmuck.
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  Speaker 1: But you you busted in the donalogue. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be quiet. Yeah, please mind your place, Dan go.
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  Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to say is our plan today
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  Speaker 1: is to dive into each of the successful hunts that
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  Speaker 1: these four people had, trying to understand exactly why we
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  Speaker 1: were successful, what we did right, and what we've learned
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  Speaker 1: from these hunts. So as we've eluded. One of these
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  Speaker 1: hunters is my co host and schmuck Dan. One of
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  Speaker 1: these hunters is myself, I somehow was able to have
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  Speaker 1: a successful hunt during the rut, and also joining us
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  Speaker 1: are my two very good buddies and serious big buck
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  Speaker 1: killers in their own right, Corey Fall and Ross Housemen, gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. Thanks. How's it going morning. We're good,
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  Speaker 1: We're good. This is gonna be fun. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a little messy, you know, since there's four of us
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  Speaker 1: all on here, and I wish we were actually in
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  Speaker 1: person sitting around like drinking a beer talking right now,
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  Speaker 1: but we're not. We're all sitting in our own separate houses,
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  Speaker 1: maybe drinking beer by ourselves. But um, well we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have a good time talking because well, you guys,
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  Speaker 1: the three of you guys are three of my very
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  Speaker 1: best deer hunting buddies that I enjoy talking deer with.
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  Speaker 1: So this is this is gonna be a good time.
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  Speaker 1: And Dan, I gotta ask you to kick things off
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  Speaker 1: here before we get into anything too serious. Yeah, how
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  Speaker 1: does it feel being on the sidelines during the rut?
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  Speaker 1: You know? It feels good because I don't have to
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  Speaker 1: wake up early, take like four showers a day, none
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  Speaker 1: of that stuff. But it sucks because I'm you know,
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  Speaker 1: every once in a while I'll talk to a buddy
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  Speaker 1: he's like, man, I saw some tons Chase in this morning,
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  Speaker 1: I saw you know, this buck fight. I saw bucks
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  Speaker 1: breaking of trees. I heard a bucks Northwey, So all
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  Speaker 1: those things that get us excited. I'm not in the
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  Speaker 1: stand doing anymore so for like the first time in
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  Speaker 1: year right right, Like I like I was telling a
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  Speaker 1: buddy the other day. I've in the past ten hunting seasons.
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  Speaker 1: This is only the fourth buck that I've ever shot,
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  Speaker 1: and probably the earliest buck I've ever shot, so being
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  Speaker 1: I'm used to grinding it out. Like I, like I
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  Speaker 1: told you on the last podcast, I was prepared for
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  Speaker 1: a long rut that was going to end actually, which
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  Speaker 1: would have been to see the sixteenth. Were recording this
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  Speaker 1: on the sixteenth, that was the last day of my
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  Speaker 1: scheduled hunts. But I tagged out, you know, fourteen days ago,
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  Speaker 1: and now I'm just you know, living vicariously through Instagram. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so what have you been doing for these past fourteen days?
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  Speaker 1: Changing diapers, washing dishes? Yeah, yep, actually a lot of that,
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  Speaker 1: making the wife, making the wife happy that I'm you
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  Speaker 1: know that I'm back planning to take some time off
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  Speaker 1: late season. Now, Basically you called me out, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, uh shotgun season in Iowa gets over
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  Speaker 1: on December, so I can start hunting again with a
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  Speaker 1: muzzle loader tag, which is a primitive weapons tag, so
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  Speaker 1: I can use my bow, so I can get out
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  Speaker 1: there and maybe try to make something happen late season. Nice. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad that me calling you out had
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  Speaker 1: an impact. I knew I had. If I appeeled to
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  Speaker 1: your pride, it would get your hunting. Yep, yep. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't have Mark Kenyon like OUs to me. No, No,
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  Speaker 1: that's embarrassing for all parties. So okay, So let's let's
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  Speaker 1: speaking of Iowa. Ross. You're an Iowa guy. We talked
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  Speaker 1: to you last year about shed hunting, but we've not
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  Speaker 1: talked to you about deer hunting. Can you give us
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  Speaker 1: just like a super short cliff notes on your history
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  Speaker 1: as a deer hunter? Is something you've been doing your
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  Speaker 1: whole life? Etcetera, etcetera. Yeah, I think I probably started
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  Speaker 1: when I think with my dad, you know, we might
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  Speaker 1: up to I'm from Wisconsin originally, and so everybody used
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  Speaker 1: to go off to the Northern Wisconsin Orto the North
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  Speaker 1: Hollage right for our gun season. So that's thirteen that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of when I started. Um. I shot my first
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  Speaker 1: book like a little forky that first year, and I
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  Speaker 1: was just hooked. I remember when I was like a
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  Speaker 1: little kid, I always I always wanted to go hunt thing.
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  Speaker 1: I always had a drive for it. Um. And ever
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  Speaker 1: since shooting that that first book, I was just totally
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  Speaker 1: hooked on deer hunting. So then just kind of snowball,
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  Speaker 1: got a bowl, started bowl hunting, went a lot of
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  Speaker 1: seasons without shooting anything, but just started learning a lot
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  Speaker 1: um just you know, as a kid, hunting public land,
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  Speaker 1: going after school every day, all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: As I got older, then UM, I started hunting more
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  Speaker 1: seriously for like bigger bucks obviously. Um. And then the
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  Speaker 1: reason I ended up moving to Iowa is obviously because
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  Speaker 1: I really loved your hunting and a new my opportunities
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  Speaker 1: would be a lot better. So it's a long story short.
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  Speaker 1: I ended up in Iowa quite a few years ago
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  Speaker 1: now and I haven't looked back since, so it's been
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  Speaker 1: It was a great decision. So glad that I'm down
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  Speaker 1: here because I get to my passion where there are
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  Speaker 1: some jack White ties and a lot of them. So
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  Speaker 1: mm hmm. And then uh and then what you do
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  Speaker 1: is you make me and Corey feel miserable because you
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  Speaker 1: text us pictures of all the big deer you shoot
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  Speaker 1: or yeah, I do you know I don't do that
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  Speaker 1: to be like, hey look what can I do that
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  Speaker 1: to actually make you guys, I really do I can't
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  Speaker 1: send this would be so mad in Michigan. Corey and
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  Speaker 1: I really we know you're that big a jerk. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: that true? Corey? I know? But yeah he does. He
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  Speaker 1: disrubs it in. He just loves the sendin those pictures
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  Speaker 1: just to get us all drilling over here when we
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  Speaker 1: can't we can't be in Iowa. Oh my gosh. Well
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  Speaker 1: last night me and Corey were at a buck pole
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  Speaker 1: here in Michigan and there was a There was a
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  Speaker 1: serious big buck. I mean it was a It was
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  Speaker 1: a buck that even you guys and Iowa would be
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  Speaker 1: impressed with. I would, you know you should be impressed with? What? What? What?
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  Speaker 1: What we get any or Corey? What was the regulation
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  Speaker 1: you hold on him? I think we came up with like, um,
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  Speaker 1: that was you know, we might have been you know,
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  Speaker 1: giving him a half inch here there we even going
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  Speaker 1: super conservative. I think he was high one eighties. Gross
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  Speaker 1: he was. He was an absolute stud. Yeah, so we text,
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  Speaker 1: we text this to all like my hunting buddies here.
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  Speaker 1: We're on this little group text message and Ross just responds, boring.
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  Speaker 1: I just dropped my deer off at the locker and
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  Speaker 1: there was like a one nineties something there. So it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like I'm Peter and I was joked about
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  Speaker 1: that my buddy Peter. So I do that all the time,
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  Speaker 1: So it's funny. I was just king that was a
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  Speaker 1: nice fuck you know that? So I never true story.
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  Speaker 1: So so Coray, what about you give us your little
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  Speaker 1: background real quick here. Um, well born, raised in Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: and I actually uh fortunate enough to live fifteen miles
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  Speaker 1: from the legend Mark Kenyon himself. So, um, I I
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  Speaker 1: what's that? Do you have that on your resume? No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not on my resume. Um, but yeah, Bordon raised
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  Speaker 1: southern part of the state here. I've been hunting since
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  Speaker 1: I was I guess twelve years old, so I'm on
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  Speaker 1: my about twenty year I guess it is. And I've
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  Speaker 1: been fortunate enough to take several nice dear here at home.
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  Speaker 1: And I also lived in Iowa. Um, when I was
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  Speaker 1: going to school. That's where I met Ross. Um. I've
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  Speaker 1: got there for about four years, and I took a
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  Speaker 1: few nice year out there with my boat too. So um,
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  Speaker 1: now I'm back home, and I guess I dreamed that
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  Speaker 1: I was still in Iowa. M H. Me and me
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  Speaker 1: and Cory get coffee. Um, not every Thursday, but as
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  Speaker 1: many Thursday as we can pull off. We get coffee
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  Speaker 1: and breakfast, and usually every one of those conversations while
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  Speaker 1: we're eating breakfast is about how Corey wishes he is
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  Speaker 1: in Iowa. So yeah, that's exactly right, that's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So last week on the podcast, or maybe it was
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  Speaker 1: two weeks ago, I can't remember, um, but I asked
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  Speaker 1: Dan for one word to describe how he feels about
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  Speaker 1: the rut. So I got to think it. I'm curious
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  Speaker 1: to hear what you guys think, So real quick off
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  Speaker 1: type of your head, Ross, one word to describe how
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  Speaker 1: you feel about the rot or what you what describes
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  Speaker 1: the rut? One one? So if I think about the rut,
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  Speaker 1: why do I what do I think? Or what do
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  Speaker 1: I feel? One word? One word to describe it. I
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  Speaker 1: hate to say it because I'd say stressful, just because
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  Speaker 1: that's my personality. I hate to see it, but I
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  Speaker 1: get so stressed out. That's as sums of mind to
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  Speaker 1: get stressed out when the ruck comes. But it's it's exciting.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a exciting, stressful kind of thing because you
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  Speaker 1: always just always think about where you said, what the
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  Speaker 1: wind is going to be, what the weather's like, and
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  Speaker 1: there's just so much in phod that it's process that's
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  Speaker 1: just kind of stressed, you know, so and you guys
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  Speaker 1: know that. So I don't know, that's what I That's
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  Speaker 1: what I come up with. Yeah, that sounds very accurate.
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  Speaker 1: That about what I would have guessed. Where you're ask
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  Speaker 1: what about you know I'm working on. I'm working on.
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  Speaker 1: That's good. I was I was just gonna say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that tough. Um. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: as you guys all know, it's it's a grind and um,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of guys, you know, even though
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  Speaker 1: the rud is only you know, typically of a solid
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  Speaker 1: you know, week to ten days, that's a lot of time.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're as diligent as Mark Kenyon and you
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  Speaker 1: sit in the stand for you know, fourteen hours a day,
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot of hours. Let's a lot of hours
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  Speaker 1: in the stands, so it can be tough. And I
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  Speaker 1: guess they'll maybe maybe one word is um um. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's really one word, but like it
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  Speaker 1: can change in a second, so unpredictable. It's probably the
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  Speaker 1: word I would use, um because you know, you can
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  Speaker 1: be sitting there one minute and you've been you know,
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  Speaker 1: seeing zero deer all day. In the next second, there's
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  Speaker 1: two huge bucks fighting in front of end. You're everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: so it can change in the in the second, So unpredictable. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's so true. That's like I would take what you say, Ross,
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  Speaker 1: like the way I look at the rut or the
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  Speaker 1: way I feel about the rut usually is part one,
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  Speaker 1: is what Ross said, like it is the ultimate stressor
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  Speaker 1: for me. I'm just you know, I'm thinking about all
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  Speaker 1: the things I need to be doing, and it's physically growing,
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  Speaker 1: and it's mentally difficult at times and all that kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. But the only thing keeps me going is
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  Speaker 1: I keep reminding myself of what you just said, Corey.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it can just change in a second. And
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  Speaker 1: let's this past week when I was in Ohio, and
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  Speaker 1: really before that, in Michigan. You know, things weren't going
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  Speaker 1: quite the way I wanted them to. And then Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: they really weren't going the way I wanted them to,
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  Speaker 1: and I just had to, like literally, I would say it.
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  Speaker 1: I was just sitting there in the tree stand just saying,
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  Speaker 1: it can change any second, just keep it together, any second,
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  Speaker 1: it could change. Even though I'd see a forky all
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  Speaker 1: day and then as the ad the whole next day,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just kept saying, it can change, and
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes it does. So so I guess, Dan, can
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  Speaker 1: I throw it to you? Can? Can you be the
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  Speaker 1: lead host for a second here? Because because I think
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  Speaker 1: maybe we should talk a little bit about um, the
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  Speaker 1: first successful rut hunt um if you if you don't,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'm stealing the show here? Can I tell my story? Dan?
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  Speaker 1: I guess? Uh, Guys, what do you think? Should we
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  Speaker 1: let Mark tell a story or should we just like
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  Speaker 1: ignore him and have our own conversation? No, Mark, why
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  Speaker 1: don't you? Why don't you tell us what happened in Ohio? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So so, so I'll tell you gus what happened in
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  Speaker 1: Ohio and then you guys feel free to grow me
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  Speaker 1: on the specifics and anything like that because hopefully there's something,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we can learn from each one of our stories. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So I kind of alluded a little bit to what happened.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, since we last talked, Dan, Um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: on the last podcast, I think we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: me throwing a hail Mary in Michigan and doing the
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  Speaker 1: four hour rattling you know, hunt on the edge of
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  Speaker 1: holy Field's betting area. Tell me how you were successful. Yeah, so,
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  Speaker 1: so that didn't quite work out. Um, but I did
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: hunt that stand, you know, when the wind. I knew
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the wind wasn't right. Um, But I hunted there anyways,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: with the thought process being either I get lucky and
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I get a shot at him because it's like my
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: best closest standing can be to where he's at, or
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I blow out a bunch of deer. But maybe I
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: get this deer to be a little bit smarter so
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: he doesn't get killed in the next two weeks when
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: all these guys are out here with their guns. So
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I did that, and I am excited to tell you
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: that it apparently worked to some degree because opening day
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: of guns season was yesterday in Michigan and holy Field
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: did not get killed. He has not been killed since
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I left. I saw him today at noon. He is alive. Yes. No,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I actually didn't hunt today. I just happened to be
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: in the area and there he was out in the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: middle of a tall kind of crph field, all by himself,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: just staring around, looking all around him on my property. Um,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: and there he was. So I happened at my camera
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and so I just filmed them for a little bit,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and then he walked off into this betting year right
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: in the edge of my food plot system that I've
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: been wanting to kill him, and I thought that would
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: be the spot I could do it. And now he's
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: finally in there. So he's going tomorrow morning. No, no, Um,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I do you want to kill him? I do. We've talked.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: We've talked about my gun season sanctuary idea. Yeah. So
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I don't push in there right now because I just
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: want I just don't want to blow him out to
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the either side of me where there's like just so
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: many hunters. Um. And interesting side note that you don't
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: know this, Dan, um, but Corey knows, and Ross I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: think knows. Um. But the night before opening day of
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: guns Season, Um, I happened to be in the area,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and I saw flashlights back on this hunting property I have,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and so I was freaking out and I went got
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: my four wheeler rove out there. Ended up confronting these
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: people that were walking on my neighbors and on this
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: property I can hunt, and UM, like, what are you
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: guys doing back here? Long story short, this guy had
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: shot that buck Frasier that I had passed a few
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: different times and he was out tracking. Um. So you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: in a perfect role, they would have m hm, did
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: they get him? Did they find the buck? They did
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: not find the buck, um, which is a bummer. I
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: think they videoed it and looks like it was a
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: shoulder blade shot. I think, Um, so hopefully hopefully he survives. Um.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: But that was kind of a bummer because a shout
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: of buck that I was hoping we would get to
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: be a year older. Which nothing wrong with that the guy,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, awesome for that guy. Um, you know, nothing
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: wrong with shooting a deer that makes you happy. Um.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: But also we ended up where they were tracking that
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: deer was in holy fields like core area, so I
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: was like, well, he'll definitely know there's hunters around now.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So that that said, now holy Field was right right
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: in the smackdad mill of my stuff today, so I'm
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: hoping he'll, hoping he'll stick around there. And the thing is,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I don't even have a gun I can take out
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: right now, um, even if I want to go. I
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: did think about. I was like, shoot, could I go
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: back and get my stuff and sneak out here? But
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I don't even have a gun I can use down here, um,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: because my muzzle loader is all messed up and I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: haven't bought a new one yet, and I can't use
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: a rifle down here. So I could like grab my
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: bow and try to do a spot and stock on him,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: but that doesn't seem too terribly high odds. So but
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I digress. I'm not talking about holy Field anymore. And
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: since we're talking about Ohio, Ohio. So I left after
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: trying to kill Holyfield, couldn't get it done, went to
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Ohio with high hopes. Um, you know, lots of nice
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: bucks down there, of course, And I hunted for four
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: days with pretty much nothing exciting going on. I mean, like,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: like Corey said, I was hunting the entire day um
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: from dawntill dusk, and it was just dead um. And
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you've heard me talk about this property in the past,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: like it's traditionally kind of dead a lot of the time.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So like I knew that going into it. I knew
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: there's me a lot of slow days. But it just
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: seemed like worse than even I expected. Um. I did
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: see what was probably a three year old on the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: first day, um, off in the distance really briefly, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: that was cool to see that. But then after that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it was like nothing. And I was in the very
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: best stand probably on that property, and the next day
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: it was another great stand and didn't hardly see anything,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and it just kind of kept racking up day two,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: three four, and um, and what Corey, you got down
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: there the day after I did. And then well, right,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: how long did you stay? Two days? Three days? Yeah,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I was your Thursday and I left Saturday kind of midday. Yeah,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: so so you left, you know, And then Josh was there,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and buddy Josh was with me, and then he had
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: to leave Sunday, and so Cory was gone and Josh
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: was gone, and I'm sitting there and now I'm all
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: with myself down there, and I haven't seen anything worth,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, nothing better on the four key
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: since the first day or second day, I think. And
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: so finally, you know, after hunting all my great rot stands,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I was a full day in this really good bottom
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: stand that we talked about on one of the rot podcasts,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and another two full days on this ridge that traditionally
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: funnels deer. A third day I went and hunted this
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: big new betting area stand that we've never hunted before
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: over on the opposite ridge. Um, and just nothing. So
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: day five and I was like, screw it, I'm just
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: gonna do something different. I went and moved at midday
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: to this little corner stand we have on the very
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: corner of the property where I can see my open field,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and I can see the neighbors open field where usually
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: as a lot of doughs, and my whole thought prices
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: as well. I can see a large area, and I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: put a decoy on front of me, and I thought,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: all right, if I can get lucky and happen to
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: see a nice buck, finally, maybe I can call to
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: him and bring him in here. Because right now it
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: certainly doesn't seem to be happening in the core of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: our property, so maybe there's something happening on the periphery
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: UM and long story short set that decoy just like
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I always have in the past, but no nice Buck
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: has ever seen UM. And a couple hours into it,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I started seeing some does coming out, which was nice
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: because I hadn't hardly been seeing any does at all
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: before him. And then I don't know, maybe an hour
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: or forty five minutes before dark, to see a flash
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a couple of hundred yards to my I don't know
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it would be southeast, and I pull up my Buyos
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and I just saw a wall of times what looked
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: like a wall of just tall white times, and instantly
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: like I was a shooter, and I swear to God Dan,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't even look at him again it was a
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Buyos or even thinking about it. It was just like
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: big Buck. And then it was just like game on.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: So I just remember like pulling through my pockets, draft
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: on my grunt tube because he's following a dough about
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: two yards away heading into the neighbors, about to cross
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the line. So I get my grunt tube out and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I love a bit. He keeps going. I love out
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: snort we's he keeps going, and I just a love one,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: just heavy heavy roar, just as loud as I can
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: make it, just anything to get this dear's attention, and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that stopped him his tracks, and he turned and looked
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: right at me, and you could see him his ears
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: perk up when he saw that decoy. And then it
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: was literally like I was watching a TV show. He
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: just turned, ears perked up, you saw him bristle, and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: then he just started running right at that decoy. And
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, holy crap, this is actually happening. Um.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: It was really sweet. I couldn't believe it, but I
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: had all these things I had to do. Like I remember,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't even like think about, Okay, do I want
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to shoot him or not? Is this anything? It was
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: just like, okay, I'm gonna shooting this buck. Now. I
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: need to do. Step one which was slowly turned grab
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: my bow. Step two was slowly turned back, make sure
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he hasn't seen you. Step three was make sure your
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: range finders handy. Step four was make sure your cameras
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: on position it to try to be on the decoy.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Can you get the deer in the shot right now?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And before I knew it, he was at forty yards
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: coming in behind this tree branch. He was at thirty
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: five yards. He was thirty yards, but he's this whole
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: time behind this one branch that was out in the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: middle of this field kind of and um, I drew
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: back just before he got past that branch and I'd
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: be able to shoot, and then he froze, so I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: was still I was stuck a full draw, and it
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: feel it felt like a really long time, but not
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: watching the video, it wasn't as long as I thought,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: but it felt like I felt like I was starting
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to shake. So maybe I just need to lift more
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: weights or something. Because he finally took a step out,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and as soon as he took the step out, I
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: touched it off and I pulled the shot a little
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: bit to the left. Um, but I was I don't,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, you know how it wasn't
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that moment. I knew I had to get that shot
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: off as soon as I could, because you've seen you've
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: practiceen video where those bucks they posture, you know, he
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: was doing. That thing was all puffed up and he
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: was kind of curved and then slowly side walking over
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: towards the decoy, and I knew any second he's going
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to charge and hit that thing. And as soon as
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: he hit that thing, he realized, Okay, that's not normal
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and need to run off. So it's like, I need
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: to get this shot as soon as he steps out
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: from behind those branches. So as soon as he did,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I let her go. Um, but it wasn't a perfect shot.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: He bounded off like fifty yards, stopped, it was hunched up,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and then slowly walked away. So I knew that I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: had gotten something into his paunch and um, after looking
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: at the footage, looked like it entered maybe around the liver,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: exited back towards the guts because it's very slightly quartering
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: to me. And UM, I let him sit overnight, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: then the next morning I went out there and I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: found him like a hundred and fifty yards away. He
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: didn't go very far. He betted down and that was
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that was all she wrote. So, so did you hit
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I know you you sent me some pictures and whatnot,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: But do you feel that you ended up hitting maybe
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: back lower lung or do you think it was even
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: further back than that? Did you hit diaphragm liver? What?
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I think? Yeah, I think it was it wasn't long.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Um that picture that I sent you when he was
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: like hunched up like that. I think it looked a
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: lot more forward than what the shot really did, because
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: when you watched the video of it, it looks you
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: can see it entered pretty far back. Um. I mean
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: it entered a good six six seven inches farther back
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: than probably where I wanted. Um So, so I think
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: clipped liver and then went out to the back, um,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: you know, towards that front part of the guts. So
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: not my best shot ever, but it it worked out. Okay,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that was my run. So after you shot this buck,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I know we had exchanged some text messages and had
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: some side conversations. But was this buck what you thought
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: he was after you walked up on him? So I
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: hate those guys who are always like, oh, no ground shrinkage.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a lot bigger. I thought it
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: was a different deer or whatever. Whatever. Um So, I
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: won't I don't want to be like that. But I
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: was just excited and I didn't even think about it. Um.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: You know, like when I was in Michigan and I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: was seeing these deer that was passing, like I saw
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: a nice buck. I was pulling out my buy and
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I was and examining them and like, Okay, you know,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I really want to shoot holy Field, but is this
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: a four or five year old buck, you know, really
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: trying to look at their bodies? Obviously not, Okay, I'm
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: not going to shoot him. Um in this instance, I
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: just I didn't even think about it. Um So. So no,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: you know, the instant the first thing I thought when
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I saw this deer coming across that field way out there,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I just saw his side and I saw you know,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: those two three tall times, and um I was like, wow,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: this is this is a shooter. It just instantly looked
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: like a really nice big buck, and I just didn't
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: even I didn't even think about it after that. Um So,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: he is younger than you know, what I had originally
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: wanted to kill in Ohio. You know, my goal was
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: at least a four and a half year old. I
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: don't think this buck wasn't four. He was three and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: a half. Um So, yes, not exactly what I had
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: gone into this season going for. But at the same time,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: he got my heart pumping. This was a really cool hunt,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: first successful hunt I've ever had over a decoy um
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and still really nice to dear. So I'm very happy
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: with it. Um I'd say the only the only downside
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: is just that, you know, in the moment, I'm like, oh,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: thank goodness, you know, the hunt's done. I was able
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to fill my tag. You know, I was, you know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: getting down on myself until that point, but now I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: was like, oh man, it would have been nice to
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: keep hunting down there, go back later in the year.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Um So, so yeah, that's that's kind of my thoughts
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: on all that. Yeah, dude, I'm not trying to throw
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you under the bus, but it's just like I I
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: would have been in the same exact situation as you,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: but but I missed, you know what I mean. So
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: it's not like there There are definitely times when the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: energy and the blood is pumping and a little bit
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: of that thought process goes out the window. But that's
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: why we all do it. Yeah, exactly exactly. I mean
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: it was I don't regret it at all because that
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: was an awesome hunt and it may be really happy
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: and I've got some incredible meat, you know, in the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: long run, that's the very most important thing. I've got
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: some great meat to feed myself and my wife with
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: and an awesome and awesome memory. So it was cool
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and it was, you know, like I was saying at
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the beginning, it was just like another really great reminder
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: for me, Like, gosh, every every I feel like every
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: year during the rut, I tend to, you know, fall
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: into that trap of like, you know, after five, six,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: seven days go by or whatever, sometimes longer and things
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: aren't going my way, I'm like, Oh, it's not gonna
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: happen this year. It's not gonna happen. You start feeling down. Um,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: But I just keep on trying to keep myself positive
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and tell myself that over and over. And I've been
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: lucky enough these past few years that I've I've been
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: rewarded for sticking it out. That's not always gonna happen,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: but I was fortunate that I did this year. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: like Corey Fall says, it's unpredictable. Yes, that's right, it's true.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Um So I don't know, Um that was how my hunt? Any?
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Do you anything about what I did? You guys are
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: curious about. I mean kind of the basic gist of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: why I think it was successful was that A I
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: kept you know, I was thinking about leaving. I was
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: getting kind of down and out about it, but I
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: didn't I stuck it out, So I think that was
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: one thing that led to success. I think number two
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I put myself in a place where I could see
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a large area UM, because I knew if I could
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: see one, I have a chance of calling one. And
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: then number three, I used that decoy UM, which for
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the first time you know that I've had an opportunity.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: It actually worked out really well. UM. And I guess
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the only other thing I would point out is if
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: you have not listened to our episode with John Dudley
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that was from earlier this fault, be sure to listen
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: to that because he walks through exactly how to set
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: up a decoy, and I followed his instructions exactly and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: it worked out perfect. I had that decoy set up
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: so that the wind was blowing from the decoy to me,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and then I angled the decoy slightly towards me so
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: it looked like he was kind of looking over to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: my left. And then I only used one angler on him,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: so he doesn't look like he's two dominant of a buck.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: And what happens is when a buck, what's supposed to
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: happen at least, and what did happen in this case
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: is that when a buck sees this dear, he's gonna
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: want to come down one of it because he wants
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: to smell it. And then he also wants to approach
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: that dear head on. So when it happens, it gives
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: you a good broadside shot when he comes around that corner.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: So I think for me, those are the four things
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I took away from it is like, Okay, these four
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: things went well, and I think that's or these are
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: four things I did that led to this success. Um,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: but I don't know anything else that I should cover
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: on that front, Dan or any of you guys. No,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I think you explained it, Uh, explained it pretty good.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I think that all three of us can agree that
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you need to go kill holy Field now. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I do. He's he's haunting me. Now I just need
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: to figure out. Okay, here's a question. This is what
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I'm torn between right now. Um and I want to
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: get to you guys other stores, but um so so yes,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I usually do leave this property alone during guns season,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: um as a sanctuary to try to help you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: hopefully some of these bucks can make it to another year.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: And if there's a specific buckum after I think I've
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: got a better chance to kill him in the late
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: season rather than trying now and pushing them to get
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: shot by neighbor um. But but I am torn. Do
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I go out now or during the late season with
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: my muzzleloader and have a better chance of killing him,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: or do I stick to my you know, bow hunting
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: quest and only use my bow. I I'm kind of
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: torn on that because on one side, I want to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: kill him. On one side, I'm like, man, killing with
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: a bow would be like the purest way to do it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know, damn, what do you think it? I'm
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: telling you I don't care really how you do it.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: But this is this is a risk verse reward sport.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: So you need to You saw this buck on your
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: property today at noon, he's there. Who knows how long
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be there if a hot dog drags him
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: to a neighboring property and get shot, regardless, you need
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to be out there hunting him. And you need to.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I mean you can't. You can't control where he's going
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: to go, even if there's even if there's low pressure
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: on your property. Yes, you may stick around, but at
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: any moment a hot dog could come through and make
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: him hop the fence and your neighbor shoots him anyway,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: So I say, while he's there, you gotta make a
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: move on him. Yeah, you make you make some fair points.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: What about you, guys, Corey, what do you think Mark
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: should do? Yeah, that's a tough that's a tough question. Um.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I guess the first question you have to answer is
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: is I mean, is your desire to kill the deer
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you know it strong enough that doesn't matter which weapon
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: you use, or do you really feel that you gotta
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: kill him with your both? Because, as I agree with Dan,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: if if you just want to take that animal right
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: now at the time to do it because he's there obviously, um,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: but if you are dead set because you started hunting
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: in with the bow, that's the way you want to
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: do it. You know. I like your shotguns sanctuary idea. Um.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I think you have enough cover right there in that
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: general area, and obviously there's food there that if you
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: stay out of there, you've got to you know, probably
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: sev it's pretty solid chance that he stays. Like Dan said,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: you know, any time hot bill could come through there,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: or something random could happen. You know, the neighbor's dog
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: runs through their barking or something like that happens, but
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: you don't expect he takes off, and the neighbor guy
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: does happen to kill him, and you see his picture
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: on Facebook tomorrow and you're thinking that should have been
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: out there. So, yeah, that's a tough that's really tough. Yeah.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know that Buck is. He's a wanderer too,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Like he's got the he's got the personality that be
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: a buck to still, you know. Like, So, I don't know.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I just think he's he moves around a lot for
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: being four years old, there's no doubt about that. Well,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and especially for how much you've seen him. So I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: don't know, Like especially, I don't know. It's up to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: whether you wants him with a gun or bo I think,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I mean to what you're doing. And but if you
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: want to, if you want to kill him, then I
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: don't think there's any better time to know, I will say, though,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just he's he's very daylight active, right,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: we've by by by far, he's the most daylight active
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: ever Buck I've ever seen. But all of it, at
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: least all of it that I've observed or gotten on
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: trail camera. It's all in like a two yards square area.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I mean it's in a very small area. So it's
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: like he has this little tiny area where he's like
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: very comfortable. But like I've never seen him or gotten
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: daily pictures of him anywhere outside of that. Um, So
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know, he's kind of figured out that there's
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: this little sweet spot he can be that you know,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: he's not going to get killed, and I'm just keep
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: on hoping that, you know, if I don't screw that up,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: one of these times, I'll build engine there and get
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: a shot. But you get take them in there, then
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you should be able to get them. Yeah, I don't know.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I think I think the positive thing on that farm
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: New Hunt, Um, you know is that you have a
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: large volume of dose there. So typically I think when
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: there's a mature buck at least what I've seen, um
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: in an area with a lot of does, there's not
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a ton of competition for those does. I mean there's
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: another bucks there, but there's plenty of dose kind of
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: go around. So the chances of him, you know, going
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: too far astray from that little on the neighbors and
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: then on your piece. UM, I don't think he's going
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to take off and go too far drink shotgun with
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the pressure around there. So I think you do have
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: a good chance with him making it and having a
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: chance with your both. Um. But like Dan said, you know,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: if you want to kill the deer, you know, the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: next couple of days while he's on your place is
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: probably the best time. Um. So yeah, I know there's
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: a there's bucks down here and some of the places
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: at a hunt, and they don't show up until right
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: before during shotgun and they know where it's safe. And
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I mean if you see if you're seeing him that
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: noon today, yeah, I mean, he knows where all that
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: he's at. And you know he's been through the gun
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: seasons in Michigan before, so I don't I don't think
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: he'll go anywhere. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, running the cameras down here, even it's crazy
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: how many giant bucks show up um into these like
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: little sanctuaries and they hang out there for that whole
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: gun season, give it a little time, and then they're
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: gone again. And then they just I mean I swear
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: they even show up like a day or two before
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you know, you guys start wandering around right before season.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: They just know when that's happening. And I'm sure holy
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Field knows it too, So sure that's why he saw
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: him just standing up in daylight noon today and he
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: was in the middle. Yeah, and he was in the
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: middle of the CRP field like where there's no trees
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: or anything around for at least a hundred yards on
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: any side of him. Just we're you know, no hunter
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: was going to be you know, this is an area
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I bet he's with a hot dough right now in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: that CRP. She was bedded down, you know there was
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: There wasn't when I saw, but there certainly could be
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: no or could have been earlier. Was was it tall
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: enough to where you could see like his feet? And
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: you know if if he if there was a doe
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: betted within ten yards of him, would you have been
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: able to see here? No, I wouldn't been able to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: see her. The only reason why I think he wasn't
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: with the dose because I watched him walk away and
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: walk into into timbered cover. I got you. You know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: earlier before the season, Dan, I talked about like these
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: two little betting ears that I think he uses the
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: most betting area, the front betting air and back betting area. Right. Well,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: he was in the CRP field, which was in front
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: of the front bedding area, so even closer to the road.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: And then he walked from that into that front bedding
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and this little patch of brambles and little trees and
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: junk like that. Um So, I don't know, but we'll see.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I need to go buy him. Was a loader, I
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: guess if I'm gonna go out, go try to do that.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: So enough about enough about my story of holy Field,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: because I feel like everyone has heard me talk about
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: them so many times. All the comments I get now
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: are just just kill that deer already. So so, Corey,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: you were the well you killed before you killed after Dan,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: but before me and Ross. So tell me about your hunt,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: because two days beforehand you texted me or maybe you
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: were taught to tell me on the phone. You said,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: all right, tomorrow morning, I'm killing this buck at am.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: You told me that. Now you didn't do it. You
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: didn't pull it off at ninety am that next day,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: but the following day you did. How did you do it? Um? Well,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: but I guess I'll start from the beginning. The property
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I'm hunting is about se of you. Know, marsh crp
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: uh sporadic kind of cedars. And then on the far
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: east there's um a big oak flat that's kind of
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: a big ridge or a big hill. The neighbors all
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: in the majority of it. And then the property that
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I have, um you know, um rights to hunt only
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: has maybe two acres of that big hillside. But anyway,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: that's kind of the general picture of what the place
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: looks like. I did put about a half acre food
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: plot in this year of oates and brassica the white
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: to institute mix, which has helped keep a lot of
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: deer in there. But anyways, I got pictures of this
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: book about the first week of October. I think it
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: was right around like the fourth or fifth or something
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: like that of October. I got pictures of him um
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: at night, and I only had, you know, a handful
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: of picture. I knew he was there, but I just
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't getting anything during the day. And then I think
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: it was like the twenty second or third of October,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I pulled the card and he was there and daylight
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: like two minutes after daylight, um you know, and he
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: was headed headed back into the six stuff. And so
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I assumed based on the fact that it was right
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: at daylight, that he's probably bettered in there. And um,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, but I kind of
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: do follow that moon guide a little bit. And I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: was looking at November you know, fifth and sixth being um,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you know, red moon days, and I just, um, I
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: figured my best chance of killing him with the only
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: daylight pictures I had of that deer were you know, um,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: first thing in the morning, and with those being good
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: movement days, I figured, um, if I could get close
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: enough to where he was better, that I may have
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: a shot at him. So I slipped in there. And
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: it was a stand that I hung last year, and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I have not said it at all this year, and
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: this was the first six and um, I was able
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: to kill him, like like you just said, it was,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I think it was by the morning. So that was
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: kind of what transpired. So what what specific really happened though?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: You snuck into that stand in the morning, and tell
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: us a little bit more about how that stand was positioned,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: why was that stand a good spot? And then what
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: happened with the actual encounter? Okay, Um, so the stands
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: to kind of paint the picture, um, like I, like
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I described a minute ago. There's like a like a
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: big hill that's like a like a kind of like
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: an oak oak ridge. I guess it's a bestually to
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: think of. There's a lot of red oaks up there,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: there's some cedars, good betting area. It's kind of thick
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: on one end of it, and it drops down into
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: this little I don't know, it's probably a couple of
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: acre like kind of marsh with a bunch of brush
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and bushes of really thick area there. Anyways, I positioned
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to stand on um would be kind of the northeast
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: corner of this little um swale hole right at the
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: edge of the big hill that kind of goes up
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: into that oak flat. Um. Anyways, based on the pictures,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I got to that trail camera and I figured he
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: was probably bettered up on that ridge somewhere um and
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the windows out of the southwest and I had to
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: stand position where come in from the north, getting the stands,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: you know, at the wind in my face, and I
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: figured if he was either headed back across this marsh
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: to go up the hill into the bedding, or if
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: he was in the betting. He got up and moved
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: to all during daylight at the first couple of hours.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: That was gonna be my best chance to actually shoot
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the deer. And um what happened was about um twenty
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: after eight that morning, a little six point or four
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: key I couldn't really get it, didn't get a real
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: good look at him, came down to a scrape, UM,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: freshened up the scrape, stood there for a few minutes, UM,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: you know, worked the looking branch, and then he looked
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: back up the hill and UM, I could tell he
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: was kind of getting nervous. And then all of a sudden,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I hear this really loud like snort wees and like
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: he just come charging out of there, and the little
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: buck took off. UM and what I didn't bout the time,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: and there was a dope better than that marsh about
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it's a little high piece of high grout off the marsh,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: like maybe forty yards away. I didn't see her. And
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: he chased off. A little buck stood there at the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: scrape and then kind of started working out into the march,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: kind of headed towards me. In about that time, UM,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I still hadn't seen the dough yet. The little buck
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: was still standing there, and he kind of this buck
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: just kind of um stood in the stick of brushy stuff.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: So I have one of those little can calls, you know,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: dough bleat, So I had cold dough bleat. Of course
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: his ears perked up, look straight at me, and started
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: coming my way. So I thought I was gonna be great.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: And um, about that time, I saw a movement. I look,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: and she stands up. I don't know if she heard
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the dough bleat the can that I can't call I used,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: or if at this time he was getting close enough
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: to her that she just got up. Um. So then
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: he locked on the dough and um, you know, then
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: of course the calling was out the window. I wasn't
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: gonna call a whole lot more to him because I
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: figured it was over. And he stood with her or
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: he stayed there near her for probably good ten minutes,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: and luckily enough, she kind of started moving my way,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: which gave me a little bit of an opportunity for
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: a shot. But it was like I was about forty
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: or forty five yards. There was a little bit out
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: of my comfort zone. Um. Anyways, I ended up getting
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: getting me in and he came into about thirty five
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: and he was facing me, and I came to full draw,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: just because I was waiting for him to turn and
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: she saw me draw. So I'm looking at her out
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: of my right eye and I'm looking at him out
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: of my left eye, and luckily she looked back at him.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: So I left the boat down, and um, you know,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: he kind of you know, he was still locked on her.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: She was getting nervous. She didn't spook, but she started
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: to kind of. She bounded through or three times away,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: and he turned to go around this bush and he
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: gave me like a thirty three yard shot, and I
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: slipped the arrow in there. And I'm the only one
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: about our yards. So that's basically the story in a nutshell.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Nice nice alright? Alright, Stan, what are you wondering about this? On? First?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: My first question, and it's because we've talked about it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I'm curious when it comes time to draw back and
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: you know, pull, squeeze the trigger, let the arrow fly.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: What's running through your head? All right? Me and Mark
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: have both had what I would almost say some kind
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: of a tart target panic episode, if that might be.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Want what you want to call it? What goes through
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you your head at the last you know moment or
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: do you feel like you're you have a moment of
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: clarity or is it kind of autopilot? I would say
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: it's yeah. I would say there's more autopilots and clarity.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Um with me, it's kind of weird if I get
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: time to look at a deer. Um. Like a lot
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: of guys say, man, I like them coming in really fast,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I just take look up shooter, all right, and they
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: go in to autopilot and make a shot. I'm kind
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: of the other way around, actually, because I like, I
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: like to see the deer and I know, once I
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: know for sure, I make the decision. You know, that's
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: an animal I want to harvest. Um. I kind of
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I think I become more confident with the time, especially
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: when I watched his demeanor like this year was kind
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: of I could tell he was a hundred percent focused
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: on that dough. So I knew as long as I
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: didn't get her completely alerted, I had time to kill
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: the deer. You know. That's kind of the way I
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: looked at it with this hunt. Um, So there was
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: a little more confidence in that shot than other shots
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: that I've taken. I think, like you said, when they
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: come charging in and you're like, oh, jeezus a shooter.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I think you just go on a lot of guys anyways,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: go on autopilot, and sometimes you rushed the shot. You
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: don't make as good of a hit as you'd like. Um,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: not because you're a bad archer, just because you know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: emotions set in and you maybe squeeze trigger a little
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: bit premature or something. Maybe you know, right right? Yeah,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: what do you think, Corey? Um? You know I listed
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: off a couple of things I thought probably led to
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: me actually pulling off my hunt. What do you think
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the couple of core things were for you that you
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: did right that led to you getting that shot? Okay? Um,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I would say probably the number one thing was um
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: not being I knew he was there, like I said
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: several weeks before. And part of the reason I didn't
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: hunt that stand is it's the furthest stand on the
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: property from r I park and enter the property, and
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: this this property is a little bit difficult for access
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: because there's a lot of good betting and thick cover
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: between where I parked to enter and where this this
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: area and the property is. And I think I could
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: have probably went in there obviously when I got those pictures,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: you know, the twenty two of October. I could have
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: been all excited, said all right, I'm going there tomorrow morning.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: He's there, I'm gonna try to kill him. Um, But
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: it was still early. I had a few more weeks
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: before I was going to Ohio. I had some other
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: good stands on the property, and I think leaving that
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: stand alone and fitting it for the first sit on
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Like I said that November six, with the good moon, Um,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the right wind Number one I had went in my face,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: you know, blown out over this open area. A wait
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: from here. I thought he was betting and um, you know,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: doing those things right. Having gotten there a couple of
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: weeks earlier, Um, he could have been there. Sure might
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: have might have worked out just fine, but he probably
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been a hot no, which which is partly
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: distracting him. You know, gave me the opportunity. And um,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I could have burned the stand out and you know,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: hunted it two or three times and then never got
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: the opportunity. So I think probably first sit right wind,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: and I waited till later in the year to go
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: to that best stand, So that would be my That's
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: what I think. So Okay, do you run a lot
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: of Do you run a lot of trail cameras? Um?
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I I have like five or six, like not all
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: on the same farm. I usually put two on each
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: one of the properties I hunt. Um. You know, I'll
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: put one kind of on the outside edge or where
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: there's a you know, um close to like maybe a
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: food source, and then I try to put one back
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: in the cover. And I only check that if I'm
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: going into to that stand or I'm in that area
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: where you know, I'm already in there to hunt, so
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I don't, you know, make extra trip in there. Um.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I use the more dis inventory like a lot of
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: guys that think put them on certain trails and try
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: to figure out time when they're going to and from.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: But I mostly use it just is there a buck
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: there that I want to try to hunt? Is it
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: worth my time? Why? For the most part, Yeah, yeah.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Speaking so speaking of rut, I'm jumping a little bit here,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: and if if you Ross or Dan have more questions
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: about Corey specific hunt here, well, I guess before I
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: jump here, do either one of you us have any
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: other questions for Cory about this hunt? I don't, No,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: We're good, all right, Corey? I want you to tell
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: the story because I've alluded to this in past episodes.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: We've talked about the infamous bumping dump tactic many times,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: but we've never had anyone on the show who has
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: actually pulled it off until today. You, Corey Fall, have
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: pulled off a bumping dump and you killed a booner.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Can you tell us how that will happen? Because that
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: was during the rut too, so that's a that's a
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: rut tactic that you could try meathetically. Yep, that was
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: actually another November six morning, three years ago. So the
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: same morning, Um, yeah, that hunt I was in Iowa,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and I knew there was a few big deer, of
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: course on the front. Every year there's a least a
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: couple of the big deer on the farm. Um. But
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: what had happened is the other guy that Huntset Farm
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: had a trail camera in this general area in September
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: and he got two pictures of a profile side view
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: of the deer I ended up killing, and I knew
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: it was a big deer and those and I want
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: to say he moved the camera shortly thereafter, but at
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: least I knew the deer was there, and I had
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: been hunting another area of farm and I was seeing
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: some two year olds and I think I might I
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: might have seen one three year old, but you know,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: nothing that was super exciting anyways. Um, I had this air,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: this one particular finger was real intriguing to me and
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I'd never hunted it. Um. And then one morning, of course,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: the morning of November six, that was pouring down rain,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: and I you know, had the option of do I
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: go out and I do not have good rain here?
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: How make that fayre right now? Um? So I thought, right,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: do it? So they're not good? They're not good. Um?
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: So do I go out and sit in the rain
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: in the stand that I had been hunting or one
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: of the one of the two stands I've been hunting,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: or do I sleep in and wait till the rain
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: passes and maybe move the standards scouting? So I chose
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the ladder there. I waited, um and got in there
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: around eight thirty nine o'clock I think it was. And
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: my thoughts were, it just rained, everything was soaking wet,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: you know, um, the best time to scout a new area?
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Said that, Well, I'm gonna sneak in there if there's
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: some bigger rubs and scrapes or some really fresh signs.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang on. That was my That was kind
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: of the goal. So as I'm walking in, it actually
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: worked in my favor. I spooked some turkeys and they
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: flew over this ridge and and I'm I was walking
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: through a standing cornfield down one of the roads, and
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: they happen to fly while I'm watching them fly, and
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I happened to look and at that time, this this
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: big buck stood up out of this kind of betting
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: around this little point, and he saw the turkey spook
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: looked into the corner to see what had spooked him.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: But because there was you know, the corner of six
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: or seven be high, he never really saw me. Um,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: and I had to win in my face. So that
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: worked out nice, and he founded out of there. So
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: immediately I realized, you know, it's nine o'clock in the
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: morning and he was in their bed it. So I
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: immediately went in, looked around and found a couple of
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: good rubs, nothing super um impresses for rubs and scrapes.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Here a couple of scrapes and a couple of rubs. Um.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: But there was like five big beds out on this
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: point where he'd been moving around to your based on
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: the wind or for advantage point. So I thought this
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: is the time. So I ran, hurried up, scooted over
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: and pulled down one of my um uh lone wolf
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: tree stands, moved it over um to this particular area,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: and checked the wind for the evening hunt hung the
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: stand sat from I guess it was about ten thirty
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: eleven in the morning something like that, and he actually
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: came back in to check that bed that bedding area
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: later that accidents who's gone all day? And about I
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: guess it was like ten minutes or four dark that evening.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: He actually came in through the corn right where I
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: had been, um you know, down the end of his
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: of his bedding area, and my shot he met like
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: thirty three yards. So that's basically the old bumping dup
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: you've told me. You told me about that moment when
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: he stepped out of the corn, and it was a
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: pretty cool tell us about what that, what that looked like,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: and what that felt like. Oh jeez, So I'm sitting
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: there and the wind is blowing, you know, I had
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: a northwest land It was probably ten miles an hour
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: so and it was that, you know, how you guys
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: have been there, you know that last like half hour
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: before dark, when the wind is still there but it's
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: starting to die down. About every three to five minutes,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: it would die down a little bit, and I could
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: hear some rustling in the corn standing corn behind me,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: but I didn't want to move a ton, and I
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: kept kind of looking over my shoulder and I didn't
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: see anything. And then, you know, five minutes before dark,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I hear the cornstalk break and it's thirty yards north
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: of me, and it was him coming out of the
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: corn and into this little clearing, and it was the
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: most unbelievable. It was like shock, fear, excitement on disbelief
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: all in one because I'm like, oh my there here
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: he is no way, you know what I mean, because
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I've gotten a pretty good look at him, and from
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: the side, you know what I mean, You've got like
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: eleven and a half inch, he twos and three, so
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: he's got long times. But when he stepped out, it's
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: that immediate, you know, bushel basket on top of his head,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: and you're just I mean, there's no question. I'm like,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: that's a big, big beer, and you know, but the
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: coolest thing is is he stepped out and there's you know,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: a row of it's like a sense row of trees,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: and there's this little tiny gaps maybe we're like a
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: truck to drive through. But he came all the way
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: to the gap stuck just his headed and not his
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: full body, and he scanned. Whether that's the coolest part.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: He scanned for probably two to three solid minutes, which
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: alt like ten, but it was probably two minutes. He
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: had come down the window over his betting area. Luckily,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I'd taken pretty good precautional cent control that day. Um,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: but he didn't win me. And he came in and
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: he stood there for like I said, two or three
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: minutes and really just surveys scanned the whole little point
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: and ridge and um visually to make sure that there
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't anything threatening there before he went in there. And
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: then he looped way out around and um, you know,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: to come back in. And I think what he was
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: really gonna do. He wasn't gonna in bed there right there,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: obviously because it was late in the evening. I think
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: he was just coming back in kind of the check
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: to say, are right, whatever suit me? Out of here.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Is it a threat? And can I come back in
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: here tomorrow morning? It's the winds right and bed down here.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: That's what I honestly think he was doing. And you know,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: of course he was unaware that I was sitting right there,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: so um. And as he kind of headed up to
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: that spot where he was better, he passed by it
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: right about thirty yards and and I went on autopilot
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: and made a shot. But it wasn't it was. It
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: was a decent shot. But yeah, that's that's what happened.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: So and then you moved back to Michigan exactly. You're right,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I was already that was okay, okay, so before you've uh,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: you've hunted there since that year? Um? Yes, So now
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: that that box dead, has have you ever scarted that
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: air hunted that are again? Where a new bucks moved
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: into that betting area or how has that worked or
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: other mature bucks using that same betting area now that
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: he's gone, or yeah, that's that's a that's a fantastic question. Um,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I yes, I do believe. Um. Like I said, I
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: get unbo every other year, so on the off years,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I can't speak for that, but um, the other guy
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: that does hunt there has a trail camera that's that's
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: within a hundred and fifty yards are still there. And um,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: the following year he was getting pictures of another I
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: think he was probably a four year old, you know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: hundred and forty un midboot forty type class cun point
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: they had moved into that area. Um, because the year
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: that I killed that big deer, UM, I had sat
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: really close to the well, I mean a couple hundred
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: yards but fairly close where I could see up into
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: that draw a little bit. And I had seen basically
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: just a couple of small bucks kind of skirting the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: outside edge. But I think the year that he was
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: in there, he was the buck. I really don't think
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: there were too many other deer using that area. But
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: of course now that he's gone, UM, I think there's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: been several other bucks that are that are kind of
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: using that point. I think it's more of a you know,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's an advantageous um view, more of a
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: vantage point. I mean, obviously they used the wind, but
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you could see really if you go getting that bucks
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: bed and kind of kneel down. UM. I don't like
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Dan in Fault does this type of stuff a lout
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: where you can see from the deer's actual line of site,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: you can see quite a way down into this this draw,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: and there's a creek bottom. I mean you probably can
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: see a hundred and fifty yards, which was huge because
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: anything coming up from the bottom we'll get when it
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: gets into the fifth yard, he's he can see it,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: and he's out of there, and he can lay with
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the windows back and he's he's got it. He's kind
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: of golden. So um, it was a great spot. And
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I'm certain that there's other bucks used now. But you know,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: one of my questions about that scenari You know, when
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: you bump a deer I his bed, you know you
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: want to set up near that bed. But I think
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: the biggest, like the crux of that tactic then is
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: putting your trees down in the right place so that
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: you don't get winded but you're within range of getting
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: a shot. What how did you pick that tree? Like?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: What were you think? Were you thinking through all these
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: things or what was going through your mind there? Yeah? Well,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: I mean there was there was two factors I looked at.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: The one that was probably the best for the shot
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: was just a bad tree. There was a tree that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: was like twenty yards from the little point where he
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: had through four really good beds out on this point
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: where I could see, and there's a couple of trees,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: you know, have like a buckle lay there, and there's
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: a big rub right where he's betted, you know, like
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: where he maybe stands up and stretches and rubs. There's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: a couple of those right there. And there was a
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: tree that would have been prime, because any any spot
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: off that point he came in, I would have shot
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: twenty yards match. But the tree itself was like a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: bur oak and head um. It was on a weird
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: lean and it was just it was just gonna be
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: of pain. And I thought I didn't want to be
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: in that tree. But then I started thinking, okay, um,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: you know, where am I going to have more than
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: one shot? Because at that point I could shoot him
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: as soon as he got on to that point. But
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: what if he never made it? You know, that was
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: my thought. I thought, well, if he never gets to
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: all the way out to this point, then I never
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: have a shot, you know what I mean. So I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: started thinking about that, and then I moved it closer
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: to the edge of this um edge of the cornfield
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: because there's like a um, I guess there's a little
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: cut where it drops down and there's like a like
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: almost like we're a farmer's path where like a tractor
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: drives through right there, and there's about a fifteen yard
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: wide strip where any deer that comes from the north
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: or south kind of has to pass by this stand
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: and then if he wants to get up on that
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: little point, that's where I had like the thirty year shot. Um,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: so it actually gave me like three shots from the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: from the tree that I picked. Um. Neither one of
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: those trees are really good for the wind because of
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: the fact that um, what he did him, he did
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: it on three h sixty degree circle down the land.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: So I just I think lucked out because I was
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: high enough up on this hilltop kind of and um,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: you know my scent control. I think I just lucked
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: out that he didn't win me, to be honest with you,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: because I think almost all those big bucks will do
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: a pretty big jay hook or three sixty loop around
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: their betting area, and I mean, you know you're not
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: You're never gonna be sent free. UM. I think I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: just um the angle that he came in and in
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: the height that I was in, the tree just worked
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: out for me. So yeah, I gotta say, I don't
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: know anybody who hangs their stands as high as you do, Corey. Yeah.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I have been known to hang him up there a
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: little way, and I think, Ross, you can attest to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: that catch you. Yeah, Actually the book I shot my
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: deer out of this year, Corey hung that stand for me. Um,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: probably want to start that haying this thing, because there's
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: no way I would have got this thing in that tree.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: It's like up there, it's crazy, but your face was
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: prices this year, Mark when you came to the one
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: and looked up at that standard, Mark was like it
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: was you know it's up there ways literally, remember at
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: least Cord was up there. Man, he was just I
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: thought he was gonna die the whole time, Like I
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: had my phone in my hand, raid to speed down
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: nine hm on well in Corey. Well, Corey is just
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: a wild man when it comes to hanging trees. He's
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: just a tree monkey up there, and he does things
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know anybody else who would do them, but
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: you get away with it, So I guess with that.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: With that said, ross Um, tell us about tell us
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: about your hunt and the tree that Corey hung your
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: standing years and years ago. So yeah, yeah, he hung
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: that years and years ago. I remember, uh the next one.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: At the time, I was looking for some new places
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: to hunt, and it sounds really like a special I
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: was looking for some out of the way properties, maybe
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: that people didn't you know, have permission or didn't didn't
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: un they're overlooked because most of the like everybody all knows,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: most of the really good stuff is already spoken for.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: So you know, I was looking for looking on maps
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: and looking for places that looked like good they had
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: good potential, and then just from driving around, I got
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: a good idea where all the year we're at where
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: they felt safe. And then you know, you glass in
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: the summers and even in in the fall, and you
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: can spot some pretty nice bucks. And so after doing that,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: found some a really good area. And then you look
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: at the neighboring properties and you can see they're kind
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: of like these open pasture, kind of you know, cattle farms,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: not really a lot of cover, you know, spotty woods,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: mostly open, but they bordered the really good stuff. So
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: so I decided I looked at one and like that one,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: it looks pretty promising. So I stopped by the farmer
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: and got talking to him and shed hunted it at first.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: As I did that, I was I was kind of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: sculpting it out, found found nice, shed it on some
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: amazing sign and then I knew, old man, I got
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: to ask permission to hunt this place. So I luckily
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: asked at the right time because somebody was hunting it
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: was no longer hunting it, and uh fortunately I got permission,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: which I'm really thankful for. And then so it's just
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: kind of like a there's just it's eighty acres. It's narrow,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: uh say, like two forties stacked on each other. Without
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: the first sixty acres is pretty much it will be
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: like corner beans. And then in the back twenty there's
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: some cattle pasture. It's all open. It's there's a nice
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: crick bottom, but it's kind of got those like rocky
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: cliffs and stuff like that. So i'm those ridges. Then
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: out of the neighboring property there's some nice trails and
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: some of the gear kind of funneled through into some
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: of that pasture down and then even to the crowd
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: fields there. So it was a really nice tree that
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: I found and I looked at that thing, there's so long,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: and I took pictures of it. I think he even
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: sent Cory pictures. I don't even remember. Um. I'm like,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: can you get a tree stand in that tree? And
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: and thankfully he did. It's been a good tree to me.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: When he was saying that thing, I remember him sitting
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: on like he was sawing a limb that he was
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: sitting on, like it was just the scariest thing I've
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: ever seen. But it has been an awesome tree. Um.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: And so that's the spot. I've hunted quite a bit
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: for the last few years, but I haven't I don't
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: hunt a lot anymore. Um. This year, I've been hunting
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: a different farm. There are a couple of really nice
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: bucks that I was hoping to get good a crack at.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: I had one good opportunity at one early on, but
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: just wasn't really the greatest and I kind of let
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: him walk. And I was kicking myself later on after
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: that because during the run I was seeing tons of
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: two year olds and it just was not seeing the
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: mature years. So it got to be towards you know,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: like November ten to eleventh that kind of leven things
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: were still slow over there. UM and actually decided to bail.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: And so since we were getting close to like lockdown,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: m I kind of thought to myself, you know, my best,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: my best opportunity and issue of mature buck is going
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: to be at this place I was talking about. UM.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: And the reason for that is is because later in November,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: closer to lockdown, and during lockdown, a lot of the
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: big box that are on the neighboring properties, they start
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: pushing those dolls into those like isolated secluded little pockets
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: of woods and into the pasture ground away from all
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: the other deer. UM. So I thought, well, I'm just
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: gonna give it a shot and see what happened. So
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I got in there, UM real early set up, and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: it was the awesome morning was on the most frosty mornings,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: beautiful morning, not a lot of wind um and you know,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: you can hear some of the footsteps initially is it's
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: starting to get light out, some doughs and falling started
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: trickling in and they kind of hung out around might
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: stand there, kind of heading back into all the cover
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: across the fence under the neighbors. UM and so as
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: I was sitting there, I was watching this dough in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: front of me. She was just standing there for the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: longest time. She just wouldn't leave. I was actually kind
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: of getting annoyed by her, and she just sat there
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: and sat there and sat there. And then I was
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: just kind of staring at her, and I heard some
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: crunch into my left and then that's when I saw
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: just a glimpse of rack. And like, right when I
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: saw that Rack, I was like, Okay, it's gonna happen.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: And I knew it was a shooter right away, and
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: I could seem so through some seaters. He went over
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: to a tree, started raking the tree with his with
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: his antlers and putting on a shell and uh, and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: I got I got ready, and that dolt was still
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: in front of me. I couldn't stand up. I was
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: kind of stuck where I was at. But I was
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: in a good position where he was off in my
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: left that could make good could still make a good shot.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: And the doll then that that buck was with, she
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: kind of instead of coming down the trail right in
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: front of me a fifteen yards is which they were
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: gonna do, actually probably ten It would have been a
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: pizza cake shot. She actually popped out and headed towards
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: the pasture behind me, kind of angling, and then I
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: was like, oh no, because to my left around the tree,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: it gets kind of tough shooting. There's not as much room,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: there's not as many opportunities. So I got really nervous,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: and uh so I was kind of slowly starting to
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: squeak around my my stand to try to get into position,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: and that big buck turned when he started to walk
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: and follow her. So I'm watching that dough to kind
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: of get an idea of where that buck is, the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: path that buck is gonna take, so I can be
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: prepared for when I got to stop, when I need
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: to stop him or or I'm going to get a shot.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: And of course she takes this angle that doesn't give
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: me any shot opportunities. I'm like crap. So at that
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: point I'm watching this fuck. He turned and looks at me,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: and he's kind of where out in the hill is
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: kind of high level, and he's just like looking right
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: through me. It's one of those like freaky moments where
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: where you're you think they can see what they can
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: but they're just like looking right through you. And it
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: was really it was crazy for a while that I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: was just gonna get busted, but he didn't bust me.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: He turned and then he just started to follow her,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: but fortunately he didn't follow straight behind her. He kind
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: of angled towards me a little bit, and then so
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: he was on the perfect path to give me a shot,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: and in an opening he got behind a little bush.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: I drew, and then as he brooke that bush, I'm
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: drawn and I can feel my cam resting right against
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: my bull hook, and I was like, oh crap. So
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: then there's like a little bit of a panic moment
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: where I'm just trying to kind of shimmy and and
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: squat a little bit and kind of hunched down and
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: get it in position where when the canselon't hit up,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: camel hit the hook. And as I did that, I
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: finally found a spot and he was slightly quartering to me,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: and I let the arrow fly. Unfortunately hit him a
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: little back and kind of angled back a little bit,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: so it was not an ideal shot. He took off
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: and I saw him stop on the hill. I could
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: see his rack, and then he slowly kind of left
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: and so after some a lot of thought process and
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: asking all the buddies and Mark and Cory and everybody.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I decided that to leave him overnight, and I shot
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: him in the morning. And I thought them all shoots,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: I could go look from the night, or I could
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: just look for him the next morning. So I decided
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: to give him twenty four hours. And then my buddy Peter,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: my dad and my wife and then my son we
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: all went tracking the buck next morning, which was a
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: great will be a great memory. Um, we got on
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: this trail and ended up finding them dead and in
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: some cover. So it was a pretty awesome hunt. But
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: I think I'm really glad I made the decision to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: kind of just fail on the one property and go
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: for broke kind of where I knew. I knew it
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: gets hot around that time season, and I shout him
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: in November twelve. I don't know if I mentioned that
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: or not. That's the day shut that thought. So you
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: went off historic data, you know, basic information you've collected
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: over the year, saying hey, I know that. I mean,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: is this information based off trail camera pictures or just
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: from the stand intel? No, just from the stand. You
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: know that this this spot you can walk better. Instance,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: there's not there's not too much to like figure out
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: you know, there's not there's not too much thinking that
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: needs to go into it. It's it's it's more. It
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: was more off of observation and just kind of knowing
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: the property from over the years and just knowing that
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: it gets good later on. Um, you know, early in
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: the season, you can you can see a nice buck,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: but they just don't you don't come into that farm
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: until those dolls start coming into eating those those bucks
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: start bringing them over there, those dolls kind of start
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: getting away from the crowd or even one was like
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: when those dolls get there's so many deer on the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: neighboring properties, and I mean there's so many little bucks
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: and they just harass the crap out of those dolls.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: And those dolls even kind of will will come over
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: into that crappier pasture ground to get away from the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: crowd because it's just sick of being her asked, I think.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: And uh, and then those bucks know that too, and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: then they'll start like later on, they just start running
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: those little circuits in there. So that's kind of why
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: why why it's a little good later on? What about
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: the position of that tree stand, because I think you know,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: like you said, this property is kind of featureless into
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: some degree. There's not a whole lot of cover on
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: all the covers on your neighbors. But but I think
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: because of where that tree specifically is, you're able to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: catch that movement. Can you elaborate a little bit more
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: on specifically, you know, right where that tree stands and
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: why that does seem to funnel a lot of the
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: deer traffic past it. Um. So it's just like there's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: a if you're going through those front fields that I
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: was talking about, you get to the end of the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: field of defense and then this pasture um and it
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: kind of makes a big downward sloping hill and then
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: it meets some trees on the on the ridge that
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: so it's kind of like down there, um, you know,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: halfway down that hill there, and then there's this ridge
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: that meets the property and it's it's got some cover
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: to it, it's rocky, it's got these rock outcroppings and
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: there's a crick in the bottom, the same thing on
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: the other side, and then it connects to the to
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: the lease where there it's just thick covers those ridges.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: It hits that fence and then all of a sudden,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: it's just this thick, nasty stuff. It's like the most
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: beautiful white kilground you could ever imagine. It's just gorgeous,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: best betting areas you can ever imagine. And uh so
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: those deer they always it's really hard to get him
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: across that fence, and so they kind of run that
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: fence and they'll they'll run that ridge especially like you know,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: if you have a if you have if you have
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: a north wind, and this ridge runs east west to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: have a north wind, um, they'll run that ridge. And
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: occasionally they'll hop that fence and and run that ridge
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: on the leeward side, and so they feel safe that way. Um.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: But then all the stuff you know, to the then
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: it connects to it all kind of funnels down into
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: that area. So down into that kirk bottom and that
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: ridge so kind of makes like a nice funnel and
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: then it's right tight to a lot of a good cover.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Um where they come from. Yeah, I got to hunt
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: with you in that stand once or twice a few
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: years back after I I shot a buck in in
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Iowa down there, and then I filmed you for a
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: few days. And to that point, those two hunts were
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: the most mature big bucks i've ever seen in a
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: single day on I think the first day I saw
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: four and the next day we saw like five or something. Um. Yeah,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: that was crazy. That that was, you know, and it
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: hasn't never been the same ever again. No, it's fun.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Every year it gets a little flower, you know. And
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: that's what happens a lot of times. Like all of
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: our properties, you know, they don't they don't last forever
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: and you sometimes they lose permission or they just don't
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: wearing as good as you used to be. In this
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: one's kind of that way. It's still good. Still killed
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: a really nice buck, um, but with the hunting pressure
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: on the names, they just pound it and never and
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: it just gets really slow. Um, there's more piles now,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: there's more pressure everywhere. Just it's kind of slowing down
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Still can kill a really nice talkpod man.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I wish I could go back a few years. That was.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: That was amazing. Yeah, that was pretty crazy. Well, this
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: one was nothing to scoff at. It was what your
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: second biggest buck is that? Right? Yeah? Yeah? Nice, he's
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: a beautiful I'm assuming it was four, I don't know,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: mid one fifties, ten, so he's a great deer, big deer.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: And I actually saw him the week prior to the twelve.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: I saw I was, I got Matrey stand, I sat
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: down normal, and fifteen minutes later I saw him cruise
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: at kirk Bottom. Um called to him a little bit,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: but but he just went on his merry way and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: he uh. I did have a camera in there dan
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit, and I did get him on camera
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: a couple of times, and he seemed like he was
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: he seemed like he was the man right in that
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: little section. Man he was checking. There's a couple of dolls,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: doll groups that kind of use that regularly, and he
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: seemed like he was really running back quite a bit. Actually,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I think I saw him early in October. Also, It's
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: hard to say, but I'm pretty sure I saw him
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: early October. So you must have been betting on the
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: neighbors there and then he just kind of was checking
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: those does that ended up getting kind of pushed out
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: in those pastures a little bit during the rut. How
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: how much do you rely on trail cameras as as
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: far as Intel is concerned. I know it sounds like
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: you just kind of made a random move this year
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: but on other years, are you are you using trail
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: camera pictures to you know, make this tree stand decisions?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: You know? During the season, not so much I do.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: I put him on some usually on cameras on scrapes
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: and get inventory. But a lot of times I'll put
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: my cameras in areas where I think I maybe consider
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: during hunting or want to get in full for maybe
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: like the next year. Um, and I let him sit
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: there all year, and I just don't leave them go
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: and then I pick them up after the season. That's
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: usually what I do. I don't, I don't, and then
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: you know, the following year, I can see you, okay,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: this is what's going on there and what kind of
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: deer were in the area, and then I use that
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: for the next year. But usually I'm not really good
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: at letting stuff sit that much, or if if I
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: had cameras, I was kind of the check and I
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: think I do more harm and good because I'm just
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: not I'm not that good at leaving them alone on
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: some of the properties I'm hunting. But but usually it's
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: just for inventory, dan I don't. I try a little
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: bit here and there, but usually it's just just kind
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: of see what's wrong and run them on most screens
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Right now. Speaking of that, Ross, I know, I correct
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but I think you've kind of seen,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: just based on our conversations in the past, that on
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: another one of your properties, there seems to be a
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: pretty consistent uptaking activity. And like late November, Um, are
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: you is that something that you that you were Kendall
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: your wife are planning on trying to key in on
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: on that property as we get later into this month.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Is that? Am I right on that? And then be
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: as something You're gonna, Yeah, Kendall's gonna. I mean, as
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: long as you know we can make it happen, She's
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: gonna try and capitalizeing that, like you know, like that
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving time and even towards like that really early December
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: time is just it can be awesome. And um, a
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: lot of times, I'm one of the farms that have
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: permission on there's the biggest Bucks show up right around
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and they stick around, um for a week or
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: two there, and it's it's it's pretty cool to see.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: And uh, I was really trying to hold off for
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: something big this year and if I wasn't going to
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: shoot something earlier. I was going to really camera it
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: around that time frame. UM. But a lot of the
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: neighboring properties and kind of, like I said right before,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: shotgun team, they just kind of pile in there and
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: they check those last dose and those big those big
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: bucks to start, they just start moving. Um. And then
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: you know, living in Wisconsin stuff, I never experienced anything
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: of that because in like Michigan, the gun season so early.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: But I want you get to see some of that
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: because the gun seasons in December where is I never
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: experiencing that before. I would have never thought you could
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: have such amazing hunting, you know, towards the end of November,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: beginning of December like that. Yeah, Yeah, that's That's one
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: of those things that me and Corey have always talked
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: about trying to key in and on down in Ohio,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: you know, in the past when we haven't filled our
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: tags early, we've always talked about trying to get back
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: there on Thanksgiving because they have that similar situation. Their
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: gun season doesn't open until later. Um, when you get
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: that activity that you just wouldn't have here in Michigan. Um.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: And three years ago. I did go down there at
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: that time frame, and I saw two of the two
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: of the bucks I was after in the middle of day.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: So that always is something that's kind of stuck with me.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: And I always thought to myself, if I, if I
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: didn't have that tag failed, that would be the time
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: to go give it another crack and uh shoot down hangings.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: You know, we had Don Higgins on the podcast a
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: few weeks ago, and he's a huge proponent of that
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: late late nove ever time period. So if you're still
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: out there trying to fill the tag, it's there's still opportunity.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know. I was actually really looking forward
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: to that time. I wasn't really I wasn't looking forward
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: to holding on to my tag that long, but but
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: I was. Actually I would have been pretty optimistic I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: could at least have maybe a good encounter or two
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: of some really mature year which but even that property
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: you're hunting in Iowa last year, Um, that great big
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: buck you you had an encounter to withs like I
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: ended up getting him on camera. What was that like
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: December one or something? Daylight? Yeah, and you egg it's
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: a it's a great time. Yeah. Yeah. I Unfortunately quick question,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: quick question, Ross, If you could only I gave you
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: two choices to hunt first week in November or last
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: week you can November. What would you pack? Well, you
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: know what on the property that I properly I can hunt,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: I would say last week November. I don't know if
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: I say that for every property, but you know what
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: I can, I would say last week November. If I
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: want to shoot him matured dear. That's when I went
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: on Corey same question. Oh, I guess I'm gonna have
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: to go the opposite, Um and probably say the first week,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: not because I don't think ross is hard present, correct,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: I just think that for me, Um, you know a
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, if I want to kill
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: a true, truly mature dear, I'm gonna be hunting out
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: of state, and you know for seeing them. For me anyway,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: it's the best, dear, movement usually is that, you know,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: November three to the eight has always been historically the
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: best for me. Um. But again it's a different situation
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: like if you know, if if you live there and
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: you have a couple of farms that that have, you know,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: you had that experience with I think that lazy late members,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: you know, awesome. But for me, I'm going first week mark.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm sa I think I would probably still
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: say first week, not again, like Corey said, not because
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that the last week can be really good,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: but simply because the majority of my own personal experience
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: of good activity has always been earlier in November, and
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: just because I would be looking at what other people
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: have told me for the late Novemver being really great
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: versus what I've seen personally being early Nevever being really great.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: I would probably just feel a little tiny bit more
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: confident going with the first week. What about you, Dan,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: I would Uh, I don't know. I I to be
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: honest with you, I really have never put a lot
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: of time in the tree stand late or the last
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: week in November, because I've used all my vacation before that.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: But I would probably lean towards the last week of
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: November just based on because so you're based on that,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: just on other people's testing testimony in space. No, I'm
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: basing it off what my trail cameras have told me
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: throughout the years. It's to me, it seems like that
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: the first through the five or even into the seventh
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: is is good. But if I want like a giant,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: I'll be waiting longer. Yeah, Okay, I was just gonna say,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: I think there's something about the the everybody always says that,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, you gotta get you gotta get on
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: these deer before these does go into heat. I think
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: everybody we may be overstepping or forgetting about the opposite,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: where bucks are cruising after all the doughs have been
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: bred and still looking for um, that last potential hot dough.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: I think for me, I think I would that that's
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: what I would base it off of and what my
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: cameras have said, yeah, my county address. Well, yeah, I
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: think there's probably like so many different right answers, just
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: depending on where you're at. Um, just from my experience
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: when I'm where I'm hunting what I'm hunting now, I know,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: like the best time for the years I've learned to
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: kill matary buck where I'm at, it would be that
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: last week of October, and then it gets slow right
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: around Halloween first, a little bit of November. There's always
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: the first couple of the early doughs, seems like the
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: big bucks are on them, gets slowed down, it picks
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: up a little bit kind of when you guys were talking,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: and then it gets really slower and lockdown, and then
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: that Thanksgiving weekend gets crazy again, birth around you know
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: that later after lockdown, Thanksgiving, that kind of thing. I
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: just that's just my experience and that's just where I'm at.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: But I know there's different different scenarios for different places.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: But that's kind of what I've noticed. Did you have
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: something to say for me? Yeah, I was just gonna
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: say what I've always heard from you know a lot
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: of guys that have been successful on Big Deer is
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: you know those mature bucks. You know, I'm going to say,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: you know, you're four and a half year old and older.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: I mean three and a half the mature dear, but
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: a truly mature four year old and older. I think
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of those books, I've always heard guys say,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: you know, they want to breathe the first dough that
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: comes in, you know, which is awesome, Like Ross said,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: you thirty first of October, that that last day or
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: two of October, and then they want to they want
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: to get that first dough because they've been through the
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: rut several years in a row. They know what's going on.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: And then they also want to breed the last does
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: that come in because they want to kind of hold
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: onto the whole experience the longest is my my kind
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: of way of looking at it, is what I think, Um, like,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: I know, maybe that's maybe that's not the right way
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: to put it, but that's kind of what you know
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: what I mean. So kind of the middle part of
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: the rut, you know, you've got a majority of that
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: does coming in, but you also have all the two
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: year old year net of old running everywhere, So you're
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: asked percentage of seeing the most Bucks. There's probably that,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: you know, through through the tenth But I think, like,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: like you know, um, you guys both just alluded to
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: if you want to kill a true giant, you know,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: five and a half, six and afyear old Bucks, it's
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: a home body you're probably better off killing. And like
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: ros said that last week in October or that last
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: week remember truth, like you're you're probably right one piece
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: of Devil's advocate at Devil's Advocacy here to think about.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: And I agree, I agree with everything you guys are saying.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: One potential downside of that or one reason why in
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: some areas that time frame could be more difficult, though,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: is the hunting pressure factor. You wait three and a
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: half more weeks, even if even if there isn't a
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: gun season, even if it's just bow hunters, you know,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: if you've got three more weeks of guys hunting hard,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: and let's be honest, that first two weeks in November
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: is when the majority of guys are really putting in
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: their serious tree stand hours. You know, guys are traveling
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: out of state for the rutcations where they're taking their
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: vacation time and hunting all day. So that's probably other
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: than on season, that is the highest concentration of hunting pressure.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: So if you wait till after all that, you're gonna
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: have your biggest impacts on those deer too. So I
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: wonder if in the areas of most in the areas
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: of low hunting pressure, you do see that really great
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: late movement, but maybe in the areas with high hunting
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: pressure it's less so simply because of that hunting impact
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: pressure impact. Yeah, most definitely. I know. I know, if
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: I wasn't in Iowa and I didn't have the opportunities
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: I have, I wouldn't be saying that. You know, if
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: I was in Michigan and like hunting public land, I
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: would I would never say that. I would. I would
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: probably say I'd spend most of my time in October
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: trying to kill mature buck in a betting area or
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: something like that instead. So that's definitely areas specific, you know, um,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: because in Iowa, yeah, I wouldn't probably say that. Michigan,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Heck no, I wouldn't say that. Or you know, if
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: you have a big, big managed property, of course it's
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: going to be a totally different scenario. But but really,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you do your homework and needs I'm
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: I'm betting areas and and you do really good scouting,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, October is just as good at a
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: time as I need to kill them mature buck. Yeah,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: very true. So all right, so we we've got to
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: wrap things up here, but I want to ask one
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: final question for all of us here. So all four
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: of us have killed a buck during the route this year,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: so we're successful. But at the same time, I'm sure
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: each one of us either made a mistake or and
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: learn from it or just learn some type of lesson
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: for some other reasons. So I kind of want to
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: know for each one of us, what was your biggest
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: lesson learned from this year's rut um And Dan, since
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: you're a pro with this kind of stuff, I want
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: to start with you because I make the most mistakes.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're pro at these tough questions that
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: I send out at Just so, what is your number
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: one lesson learned from the two thousand and sixteen rut
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: You know this is gonna sound kind of cocky, right,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: but I don't feel I had the opportunity to make
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes this year. I got I'm I
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: had one of those seasons where I I went in,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: I I did what I had tried to do, and
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: I was successful. You know, it happened right away, and
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: you know, like you know, we talked about this the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: last podcast, about being lucky. But at the same time,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: everything that I did was kind of calculated. It just
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: so happened that a buck was there when I started
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: my vacation and I tagged out early. But if I'm gonna,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: you know, if I'm really gonna try to force myself
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: into a learning situation here, I would say that it
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: would be every hunt that I did this year I
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: took place in was a first time in scenario where
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: it was, you know, like I didn't. The only stand
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: I hunted two times this entire year was the stand
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: that I shot my buck out of. Everything else was
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: in and out. If I didn't see anything, I wasn't
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: going back to it, you know. Or I was setting
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: up for for a dough and I tore it straight
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: down and left and didn't go back. I didn't I
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: didn't put unnecessary pressure on certain stand locations. Interesting, all right,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: what about you? Corey? Um? For me, I'm going to say,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: patients is probably what I learned. I mean, I've always
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: mean I said and say I learned patients, But I
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: mean being patient on the property was probably one of
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: the number one reasons that I was able to be
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: successful in the past. Um, maybe that's so much an
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: isol of it. In Michigan, I typically, you know, I
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: go out of state every year the first week or
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: two in November. So I always, you know, give myself,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: only give myself. You only have about three or four
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: weeks to get it done here. So I've found the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: past that you know, if I get a trail camera
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: picture on October tenth or twelve, and I think to myself,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: while and they have fifteen eighteen days or something before
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: I leave. Um, I gotta get in there and shoot
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: that deer. I gotta try right away. And maybe I
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: don't wait for the right wind, or maybe I go
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: on a low percentage day you know it's too warm,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: or you know something else. And I didn't do that
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: this year, UM, and I kind of worked more of
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: that outside in approach. UM. I hunted other stands and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: I waited to that, like I said, that best stand
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: that's kind of back in their ways to the right day. UM.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: And it was my first sit first time in and
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: historically for me. UM, I don't know what you guys think,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: but my first two SIPs on UM any of my
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: stands are obviously the best, and I think almost all
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: there maybe one of the good bucks I've ever killed.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: And then in the first two SIPs, So yeah, I
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: think patients just not getting overly aggressive too soon, you know.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: In October, UM is what really helped me about you Ross.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's getting tougher less time, you know what
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: I used to have. So I think I'd just have
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: to work on being a little bit more prepared or
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: not shut hunting him Smudge, probably starting a little bit
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: more of that kind of thing. So I think I
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: spend my time doing stuff that might be not as productive.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: So this year I got I got into seasons. You know,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: I was prepared, but then I wasn't. You know, things
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: change every year and I wasn't prepared from the ready form,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: didn't even much time. So I feel like I kind
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: of got kind of got a little behind um, which
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: hurt me a little bit. So I think just using
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: my time a little bit more wisely. Like in spring
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: question for next year, did you have a kid this year? Yeah?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, well that's me as well, both of
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: us did. Yeah I saw that, I saw Corey. I
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: knew you had one, but I didn't know that you
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: had one Ross, So yeah, obviously I changed things. Yeah.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: So first off, congratulations to both of you, and second off, well,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: good luck hunting as hard as you have in the past.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Exact a little a little bit, a little bit just
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: being a little bit smarter, not not harder, kind of same,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: you know, right, That's kind of what I gotta focus on.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: So so my biggest lesson I learned, My biggest lesson
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: learned this rut, based on what you guys have just
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: been telling me, is to not have a kid, that is.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: You know, if my if my wife wasn't so close
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: to me, i'd probably say yes. But instead I have
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: to say something like, you know what, Mark, just keep
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: an open mind and blah blah blah blah blah. I'm
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: just kids and I'm looking forward to having one of
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: those little rascals. Um. In all seriousness, my biggest lesson
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: learned probably would be taking what you and Corey said,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: but the opposite. So I think my mistake a may
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: this this year, and I don't know the mistake it
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: may is that I hunted too hard for holy Field
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: too much. So what happened was that by the time
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: the rut rolled around, I wasn't getting as much dough
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: activity up in the couple of spots I can hunt him. Instead,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: most of the does were stand back at the cover
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: or on this wide open field, and so that's where
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: holy Field was. I think if I had not hunted
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: so hard in October for him there, I think I
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: would have had a better chance of catching him in
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: late October early November in there if that was my
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: first or second time in there instead of my fifth
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: or sixth time in there. Um. So the issue though,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: is that I chose to do that to push it
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: early because I was getting daylight sightings of them, So
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know, It's like it's weird catch twenty two.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Usually when you have daylight activity, you want to move
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: in on it. But that daily activity did not translate
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: into a close enough daylight encounter. So this is this
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: is the thing I've been battling with. Is didn't make
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't was a mistake going in there? And if not,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: we're I don't know. Obviously was a mistake because I
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: didn't kill him. So now I just need to try
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: to fare out how to make the best of this
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: the second half of the season. But that's probably my
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: yet to be completely figured out lesson. All Right, I
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: know that was supposed to be the last question, but
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: I have another last question. If that's okay, Mark, Yeah,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: go for it. Okay. So, uh, Ross and Corey, have
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: you guys ever shed hunted together? Oh? Yeah, yeah, Okay,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: all right, So I'm gonna remove myself from from this
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna ask Corey. I'm gonna ask
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: you first, who is a better shed hunter? Mark or Ross?
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: This is just a straight up question, who's a better
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: shed hunter. Yeah, who's a better hunter? I'm gonna have
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: to I'm gonna I'm gonna have to go with Ross.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it's because Mark. I don't think
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: it's because Mark couldn't be equally as good. It's just
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: because Ross has had significantly more experience and more time
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: doing it, and um, especially in Iowa. So yeah, I'm
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: gonna have to Mark. You're you're good. I'm not saying
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: you're bad, but Ross Ross is actually ros actually better
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: than I am. And all I heard was all I
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: heard was Ross's is better than Mark. Now now now,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: now Ross, you founded with hunted with with both Mark
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: and Corey? Who's a better shed hunter? Marker? Corey? Corey? Okay, Okay,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: now now Mark, who's a better shed hunter? Rosster Corey?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: All right? This is this is the ultimate question here.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna say, go for it. I'm gonna say
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: Ross because he plays by the rules. They don't teach
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: me how to walk straight lines in Michigan. When you
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: when you walk with those guys, I know, I know
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: you've said hunting with Mark, right, he said, Wait, both
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: of them, are they like are they like a hundred
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: yards ahead of you, I'm there lying like blowing your
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: doors off, walking like practically running. Well, I think this
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: is I don't know. I don't want to, you know,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: say it, but this is all speculation. We were one second.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: We we were walking down a ridge and I swear
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: to god, I thought I saw Corey go, hey, look
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: is that a shed? And Mark turned his head and
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: then Corey jo pumped in front of marx line and
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: then walked walked like forty yards and saw you know,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: he saw a shed like twenty yards before Mark saw
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: it and then just jumped in front of You know,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: you gotta be careful when you shed hunt with Corey
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: because he you know, honestly, I don't know. I can't.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: I can't about Corey Banish shed poacher. He's fun, but
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: he does have a knack for just finding him somehow,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: Like not only did he get that one right in
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: front of me, but the absolute worst and maybe I've
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: told the story before, but the absolute worst ever. Me
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: and Corey were walking this new property that we've always
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: wanted to walk, like we always talked about we gotta
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: walk this spot, we gotta walk this spot, but we
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: never did. And it's just all this big crp Field.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: That's in this area where there's lots of big deer.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: This is in Iowa, and we're right around this area
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: where Ross hunts and everything. And so me and Cory
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: go walking through. Then we walk at walk at and
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: we didn't see anything. So we were coming back out
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: to the truck. And just before we get to the
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: truck and me and Court like, at this point, we're
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: done shed hunting. We're just walking back because we'd already
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: walked all the good stuff. Me and Corey are like
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: right next to the our shoulders are almost touching. We're
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: just bs and talking as we walk back. And as
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: we're walking, I hear a clunk next to me, and
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Corey had kicked something and he's like huh, and he
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: bends down and he picks up like a sixty five
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: inch ship. He's like, oh, look what I stucked on.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: And I was so pissed he does. I have a
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: feeling like right now Corey is boiling mad. He wants
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: to beat our ass. Oh no, I'm doing alright. I'm
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: just having fun. As he's looking at his booners on
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: his on his wall and he's looking at all the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: sheds hed Corey Corey definitely has. Core is a very
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: good shed hunter and he we all occasionally have to
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: get lucky, but very true. All right, I'm glad I
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: got to have that in their day. We gotta have
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: a part to part two of this conversation. I like
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: the four of us. That would be fun. That's fun.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: That was good. What we really need to do. We've
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: been trying to get you to come down and meet
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: us Dan during our shed hunting trip down that area
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: this coming spring. At some point we all have to
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: get together or next year, me and Cory will probably
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: be hunting Iowa at the same time you guys will be,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: so maybe get together during deer camp two. Amen, that
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: would be you're gonna have You're gonna have your you
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: have a trailer now too, so true, we're gonna be camping.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta convince Core that it's okay, that
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: it's to sit by the campfire. Though I'm the one
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: who doesn't want to sit by the campfire, let's be honest.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: But right, yeah, I don't want to get smoke. I
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: don't want to get all smoky. I know, I don't.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: That's we're hunting. Last year we were hunting, and we're
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: sitting on the fire and here Mark is like sucking.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: Mark standon like seventy yards away, probably wind of the smoke,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: so terrified of that smokes. She's like seven yards away.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: Always gonna be thinking about scent control protocol, guys, always
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: as the combine is admitting like toxic fumes out of
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: its Yeah, that's true. All right, Well, I think we
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: do need to wrap this one up, but it's been
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. So thank you Corey and thank
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: you Ross. Thank you. It was fun, all right, And
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: with that we will wrap this episode up. I hope
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: you enjoyed this one as much as we did. Now,
• 1:43:47
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• 1:44:01
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• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: I hope you're hunting season has been going well so far,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: but if not, keep at it, keep grinding, good luck,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt. Yeah,