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Best of · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
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  S1: the truth daily.
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  S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
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  S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S3: the life source, which is God.
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S5: All right. I'm not going to use blaze as an illustration.
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  S5: Not totally.
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  S2: You're not?
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  S5: No.
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  S2: Okay, well.
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  S5: Because I can't overuse him. He's a good pup. It's
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  S5: a good overuse.
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  S3: You gotta save some, you know? It's like a little
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  S3: sprinkle here, a little sprinkle there. Can't have hot dogs
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  S3: three days a week.
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  S5: All right. I'll go ahead and give a little bit
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  S5: more than I thought.
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  S2: So you're you're so you are going to use.
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  S3: You waited until we said yes. And then you were like, okay,
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  S3: I'll do it.
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  S5: So here's the deal. This dog is a puppy. He
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  S5: was really I mean, to be honest with you, I
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  S5: was wondering, as a pup, I wonder if this guy's
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  S5: ever going to bond with me. Does he see that
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  S5: I feed him?
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  S2: Oh, okay. Was he just kind of like he. I mean,
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  S2: he didn't get attached.
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  S3: Well, sometimes a dog can get attached to one specific person.
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  S2: Oh, I definitely know that. Because my sister has a
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  S2: Chihuahua and there's no breed that attaches to one person
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  S2: the way Chihuahua does. It's manic.
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  S3: It's manic.
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  S2: Absolutely manic. The way he obsesses over her.
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  S5: So identity, that's an extreme measure. It might illustrate it well, though.
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  S5: But here's what's amazing is I'm seeing blaze change. I
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  S5: spoke yesterday about I'm huddled up with him on the floor,
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  S5: getting him out of his kennel and just having time
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  S5: with him. And he's getting so close to me and
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  S5: snuggling up. And it's just, it's just so warms the
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  S5: cockles of my heart. It's the most amazing thing. It's
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  S5: amazing how a dog can do that for you. But
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  S5: so and he's also changing one other thing. When we
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  S5: go out walking, he's like everybody's friend, man. He's like, man,
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  S5: I'm your friend. I'm your. And he'll see someone a
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  S5: block away and he'll just take off. It's like, we
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  S5: can catch him. We can get him. Come on, Carl,
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  S5: we can get him. And I love that. And I
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  S5: love that he loves everyone. And he does. But all
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  S5: of a sudden, something shifted. He's realizing I feed him.
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  S5: I rub his belly. I clean up after him. And
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  S5: it's changing. Why? Because he is locked at the hip
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  S5: with me at an identity level. He knows I am
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  S5: his dude.
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  S2: Oh.
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  S5: And it's changing.
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  S2: It's it's such a sweet thing. I mean, I don't
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  S2: have a lot of experience with dogs, but I've got
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  S2: experience with kids. And, you know, there was this, there
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  S2: was this moment and I've got two children a little
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  S2: bit older now, 16 and 13, and I got to
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  S2: spend some time over the holidays with my nephew who
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  S2: lives abroad. My brother and sister in law live abroad.
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  S2: So we've only seen this little guy twice. And so
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  S2: they were trying to put him to bed and he
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  S2: was crying. And I was like, hey, let me go
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  S2: and let me go check on him. Like I can, like,
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  S2: I can do this. Like I, you know, I like,
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  S2: I served in the nursery at church. Like I generally speaking,
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  S2: am objectively pretty good with, with babies. So I'm like,
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  S2: I got it, guys, you relax. I'll go down, I'll
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  S2: pick him up, I'll calm him down. So I get
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  S2: down there. The room is is dark. And I grab
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  S2: him out of the crib and he takes one look
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  S2: and it's dark. And he looks at me and he
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  S2: screams his head off. I'm like, no, buddy, it's okay,
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  S2: it's okay. I'm here. And it was like.
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  S3: You are not my mother.
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  S2: You are not my person. Like, you are a set
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  S2: of arms and you want to come for me, but
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  S2: you are not my person. And to my I was
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  S2: heartbroken a little bit that it was like, no, he
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  S2: has attached himself to his mom, not any old mom's
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  S2: gonna do. Not even aunties gonna do. And I was so.
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  S2: I was so sad that he had. He only had
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  S2: eyes for his mom in that moment. I was not
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  S2: a suitable substitute.
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  S5: Oh. Well, that that sets it up, man. Between blaze
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  S5: and your nephew, we got to set up here and
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  S5: a half because it's this forming, this identity that that
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  S5: flows from proximity to God that changes everything. And there's
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  S5: a trust relationship that's built. When things get dark in
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  S5: a room, it's like, man, I need you, God. I
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  S5: don't need anyone else, I need you. That's when you
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  S5: know you've got cooking identity, right?
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  S2: Exactly. Because you know who you belong to. And so
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  S2: anyone else that comes along, you're like, nope, I'm sorry.
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  S5: I love it, I love it. Let's tackle it. What
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  S5: is it? And Jamie Winship, an expert here.
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  S2: I'm excited. Let's talk to him.
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  S5: Okay, so I've been using blaze a lot, but he works.
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  S5: He's an Alaskan husky pup. What are you laughing about? Alli?
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  S2: He's your best buddy.
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  S5: He's my buddy. And here's what's awesome. So initially when
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  S5: I bring him from Alaska and now he's, what, 17
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  S5: weeks old? He's like everywhere he's got he's just connecting
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  S5: with everybody. I mean, UPS guys, he loves mailmen. Oh man.
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  S5: He loves him. He loves the gal that delivers our mail.
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  S5: He just like loves her. He's like, ah, we got
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  S5: to get around her. Any moving body. He was into.
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  S5: But now, since I've been spending time with him on
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  S5: the floor and he's been huddling in close to me.
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  S5: He loves to connect with other people, but he connects
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  S5: big time with me because he knows that I love
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  S5: him and that I care for him. And then what
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  S5: the outflow of that is when I give him voice
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  S5: commands like G is right or is left when we're
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  S5: out walking training the sled dog, he responds, so much better. Identities, everything,
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  S5: isn't it?
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  S6: Jamie Winship yes, sir, that's right, exactly right.
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  S2: How much of our identity is linked to knowing who
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  S2: we belong to? I mean, that's the starting point, right?
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  S6: That's right. Because all identity, all identities received in community.
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  S6: And so wherever you're receiving that identity from, that's who
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  S6: you belong to or that's at least your initial sense
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  S6: of that. So yes, absolutely critical.
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  S2: Jamie Winship, our guest right now, he has decades of
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  S2: experiencing bringing peaceful solutions to some of the world's highest
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  S2: conflict areas. You've had a distinguished career in law enforcement.
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  S2: Give us a little bit more about your background. Very
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  S2: unique perspective you bring to this.
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  S6: Well, yeah, I mean, I wanted to be a police
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  S6: officer since I was in eighth grade. I saw a
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  S6: movie about a police officer and it just so moved me.
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  S6: I decided I actually went forward in the movie theater up,
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  S6: which was weird, but I'm, I'm from an independent Baptist background,
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  S6: so God doesn't do anything unless you go forward. So
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  S6: I went forward in the theater and, uh, stood up
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  S6: on that little stage and told God I wanted to
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  S6: be a police officer. So that's age 14 to age 23,
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  S6: going into the police academy after university. And by the
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  S6: time I got there, I really wanted to, I really
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  S6: wanted to like figure out how as a police officer,
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  S6: in really difficult situations for people, how to move past the, the,
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  S6: the surface identities that really just cause conflict. How do
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  S6: I get how do I speak from the truth of
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  S6: who I really am, which is deeper than police officers
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  S6: to the person I'm dealing with, which is deeper than
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  S6: whatever they are? So that's how I started just asking God,
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  S6: can you communicate to me ways to talk right now
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  S6: that are distinct and effective for this person and to
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  S6: the truth of who they really are? So that's what
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  S6: I started doing and tried not to get fired doing it.
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  S5: I love that, Jamie. That is compelling. So let's, let's
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  S5: start there because I your premise is so solidly biblical.
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  S5: And that is anything that we do out of an
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  S5: overflow of us talking honestly with God about who we
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  S5: are in him. Man, that's the stuff. And Jamie, one
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  S5: of the things we're fighting in our culture today is
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  S5: this perfunctory, weird, chewing cardboard Christianity that we're going through
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  S5: the motions, but it's an overflow not out of identity
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  S5: in Christ and a connection, deeper connection with God. It's
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  S5: an overflow of a cultural Christianity that says, I got
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  S5: to do it and I got to check this box.
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  S5: How do we get out of that funk into the
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  S5: real deal, Jamie?
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  S6: Well, part of it is just telling the truth like
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  S6: you just did. You know, most people get their identity
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  S6: from what they do, what they have, and what people
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  S6: think about them. And so when you're in a culture,
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  S6: even even like a surface Christianity, I'm getting my identity
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  S6: from a religion or for or from action instead of
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  S6: from a person. And so this is why Jesus talks
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  S6: about the necessity of abiding in Christ, abiding in Christ,
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  S6: not in a vocation, not in possessions, not even, not
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  S6: in the opinion of other people. And that's difficult to
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  S6: do in our culture.
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  S2: Jamie co-founded Identity Exchange along with his wife, Donna, a
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  S2: training and consulting agency that helps individuals and teams discover
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  S2: new levels of creativity and resilience, all within this framework
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  S2: of identity. That's a lofty aim for a great ministry.
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  S2: Talk about a little bit about the work that you're doing,
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  S2: particularly with high level leaders.
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  S6: Yeah, it's I mean, it all flows, whether we're working
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  S6: with eighth graders or high level leaders, which is, you know,
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  S6: sort of a projection of a status that has nothing
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  S6: to do with identity. Actually, that's a good example. It's
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  S6: about measurement. And, um, and so the way we work
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  S6: is to try and get them into a place of
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  S6: truth telling. That's what we're missing in our culture is
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  S6: people don't know how to tell the truth. It's not
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  S6: that they're necessarily deceptive or liars. They actually don't know
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  S6: what the truth is. So you watch Jesus in interactions
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  S6: with people and he's asking them questions basically, who do
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  S6: you think you are and who do you think I am?
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  S6: And the answers to those questions are usually wrong. So
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  S6: how do we get into understanding how to tell the
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  S6: truth about myself, which is a question like, what are
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  S6: you most afraid of that question? With people invites them
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  S6: into the beautiful act of confession or truth telling, which
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  S6: is the beginning of transformation. You. You will never see
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  S6: transformation in a human. Apart from truth telling about. What
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  S6: are you most afraid of? What. When you look in
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  S6: the mirror, what do you really see when you look
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  S6: at yourself? Do you see the master work that that
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  S6: you are when Christ made you? Or do you see
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  S6: something less than that? Which means you'll see something less
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  S6: when you look at Christ. So it just all flows
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  S6: being in forms, doing boom.
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  S5: Man, I love this. Jamie Winship, our guest. When we
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  S5: get back, let's get after this a little bit. We're
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  S5: going to cover as much ground as we can, understanding
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  S5: how to really live fearless with God so that we
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  S5: can live fearless in the world. That's a title of
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  S5: one of Jamie's books, and we'll break it down. We've
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  S5: even got a free resource for you coming up.
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  S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S5: Jamie Winship, our guest right now, he's a a man
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  S5: that spent a lot of years in law enforcement and
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  S5: now mentoring leaders of all ages and stages of life.
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  S5: I want to get into this, Jamie. I love this
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  S5: because I'm convinced out of a truth telling relationship with God,
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  S5: we can break that bondage of fear. And then the
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  S5: overflow is we can lead other people. In truth. I
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  S5: guess the sticking point is when that truth hurts, right?
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  S5: When we even see it in ourselves and see it
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  S5: in others.
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  S6: Yeah. That's right. But but it's discipleship leads to freedom.
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  S6: That's I think that's the lie. We believe that somehow
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  S6: a relationship with Christ is going to be something that
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  S6: hurts us, a lot of people, because of this wrong
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  S6: view of God and ourselves. When we pray, even when
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  S6: we're praying, we're self-protecting. We're self-protecting against what God might do,
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  S6: might think, might say, instead of really just throwing our
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  S6: arms into the one who's loved us from the very beginning.
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  S6: So truth telling, part of the fear of truth telling
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  S6: is that I'm going to get hurt by telling the truth,
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  S6: or hurt by receiving the truth about who I am
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  S6: and who God is. However, the Scripture says, Jesus says,
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  S6: you will know and experience the truth, and the truth
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  S6: will always set you free. Truth sets people free. I
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  S6: don't care where you are or what you believe. Truth
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  S6: sets people free and falsehood creates conflict. So if you
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  S6: look at the world today, it's pretty easy to see
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  S6: whether we're dealing in truth or falsehood just at the
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  S6: level of conflict. Everywhere you look, Jesus is the Prince
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  S6: of Peace. That's what he leads people into, in truth.
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  S2: Jamie Winship, our guest right now, give us a story
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  S2: because I know that you have used some of your
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  S2: a little bit unconventional efforts to help bring about racial reconciliation,
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  S2: even internationally. Tell us a story that stands out of
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  S2: how the truth really helped unlock a conflict or set
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  S2: someone free.
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  S6: We were working overseas and, um, my job was to
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  S6: locate a particular person that was considered, you know, violent
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  S6: and dangerous and to, um, encourage them out of their
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  S6: lifestyle and their affiliation in the Middle East. And so
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  S6: when I made contact with that person, it was inadvertent.
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  S6: I was standing on a street corner at night in
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  S6: the city, and this car pulls up with this guy
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  S6: and three other guys in the car. They asked me
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  S6: to get in the car with them, um, that they
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  S6: would give me a ride wherever I wanted to go
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  S6: and in that part of the world, to get in
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  S6: a car with four people you don't know is incredibly unwise. Um,
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  S6: so in my, you know, in my own mind, I
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  S6: just look at those people and I categorize them. You know,
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  S6: I know who they are. I know what their religion is.
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  S6: I know what they do. And so they're not human
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  S6: to me. They're just an adversary. And so my, my
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  S6: training actually, and temptation is to just walk away and
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  S6: wait for another time to contact the one guy I
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  S6: wanted to meet with. But I made the mistake of
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  S6: asking God what he wanted me to do.
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  S7: And, uh.
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  S6: And I had this incredible idea of just get in
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  S6: the car with him and go wherever they went. Now,
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  S6: that's I had to ask that several times before I
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  S6: was convinced that was God, because it was not in
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  S6: my mind a good idea. Um, all based on how
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  S6: I identified these people and myself, even as I'm going
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  S6: to get in there, I'm in a victim. Um, anyway,
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  S6: I decided to obey. Obey means in Hebrew to hear
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  S6: and respond. That's what it means. And it's better than sacrifice.
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  S6: So I got in the car with the guys. They
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  S6: drove me out into the desert the opposite way I
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  S6: needed to go. And their intent was to put me
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  S6: on trial and, and, um, you know, terminate my life.
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  S6: And in that whole night that I was with them, um,
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  S6: I kept asking the Lord, what do you want me
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  S6: to say to these guys? They know what they want
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  S6: to do. They're categorizing me. I'm categorizing them. How do
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  S6: we break through to the reality of who we are
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  S6: as humans? And the Lord just kept, you know, tactically
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  S6: giving me ideas of what to say. And you can
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  S6: read the whole story. But in the end, they, they
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  S6: took me back to my place and they knew my
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  S6: wife was with me. And they said, if you if
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  S6: you're not afraid of us, we're going to send a
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  S6: car tomorrow night. You and your wife get in that
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  S6: car and go wherever that driver takes you. And trust
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  S6: that we don't kill both of you. So I went home.
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  S6: I told my wife, you know, hey, we got an
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  S6: invitation to dinner tomorrow night.
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  S7: Oh my word. And she.
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  S6: And so she had to pray and decide whether she
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  S6: wanted to go or not. I said I'm going anyway.
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  S6: We decided to go. The car came, we went. They
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  S6: took us way up in the mountains and took us
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  S6: into their entire leadership team. I was only looking for
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  S6: one guy. They took us to their entire leadership team
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  S6: and then the whole night that we spent with that
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  S6: leadership team and their wives, we walked them into an
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  S6: understanding of Christ that caused them to disband their group
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  S6: and commit themselves to peace. That was in 48 hours.
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  S6: Every decision I made professionally. When you look at the surface,
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  S6: was suicide. But tactically when when it was all over,
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  S6: it was brilliant. And that's the Bible. It sounds crazy,
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  S6: it looks stupid. But if you follow, it turns out
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  S6: to be brilliant.
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  S5: Now let's just say this. You're not promoting willy nilly.
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  S5: Look for something that's a little dicey and step into it.
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  S5: This is hearing the voice of God according to John 14.
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  S5: John 16. Right, my man?
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  S6: Yeah, that's absolutely right. I mean, like, we're well trained
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  S6: and you should be well trained in whatever you do.
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  S6: And Absolutely. When we're praying about and asking God questions,
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  S6: it's we have very strict parameters of what it means
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  S6: to receive from God. Exactly. It's not crazy. It actually
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  S6: makes sense. It it takes faith. It might be a
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  S6: little more than you had planned or thought, but it's
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  S6: like the folks in the Bible. It does make sense
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  S6: to them that that would work. If you had a
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  S6: God of the impossible. So absolutely, it's got it's got
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  S6: to be in line with scripture. Um, it's, it's, it,
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  S6: we usually validate it with other believers. Yeah. It's a
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  S6: very careful process. I'm opposed to crazy. Just do whatever
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  S6: you think is a good idea.
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  S5: Jamie Winship is his name and oh my goodness, buddy.
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  S5: You are on the frequent flyer club. Will you come back?
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  S5: You gotta come back again and again and again. We
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  S5: got to get you in here. This is. This is killer.
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  S5: All right, really quick 21. You're making something available that's
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  S5: really cool. 21 day kind of journey into understanding identity.
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  S5: What do what can people expect if they get hooked
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  S6: Oh, it's 21 days of walking through the anxiety and
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  S6: the fear that causes you to get stuck, to feel
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  S6: stuck and alone. And it's 21 days of how to
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  S6: walk out of that in a deep relationship with the
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  S6: one who died for you and loves you with Jesus.
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  S6: So it's one of the best courses I've ever been through.
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  S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.
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  S5: God longs for us today to seek.
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  S1: Him.
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  S5: And ask him to move in ways that we never could.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S5: Let me get a few anchored premises that we find
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  S5: in the Scripture. It is very possible to have an
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  S5: illusion or hallucination of having a relationship with God that
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  S5: is not there. Jesus didn't waste his words when he said,
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  S5: many will say on that day, Lord, Lord, and he's
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  S5: going to say, I never knew you. And the great
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  S5: danger here is that those were spiritually active people. They
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  S5: were preaching in his name, casting out demons, doing mighty
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  S5: works in his name. And he's going to say, I
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  S5: never knew you. And you go, whoa, Carl, that's hard
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  S5: to handle. I know when I first saw that, I'm like, whew.
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  S5: And then I realized, hold it. That was my story.
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  S5: I was I was spiritually active in a youth group.
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  S5: You were spiritually active, young Thunder.
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  S3: I was, I, I, I went to youth group, I
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  S3: did missions trips as a, you know, middle schooler and
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  S3: high schooler and, and I didn't know Jesus. And I
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  S3: look back on it now and it's very clear to me,
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  S3: I mean, you, Carl, you said it's not a not
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  S3: a very fun scripture for anybody to read. You know, it's,
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  S3: it's hard to talk about. It's a really good scripture
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  S3: to talk about, but it was super convicting to me.
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  S3: This reading of this passage was what God used to say. Yeah,
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  S3: that's you. You're you're gonna be one of those people. And,
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  S3: and he was right. I, you know, it wasn't just
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  S3: freaking me out for freaking me out sakes. It did
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  S3: freak me out. But it's because I was heavily convicted
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  S3: that I had never had a relationship with Jesus. I
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  S3: prayed the prayer. I accepted Jesus into my heart. Uh.
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  S3: But I didn't ever desire for him to change my life.
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  S3: I didn't want to know him more. I didn't want
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  S3: to serve him. I didn't want to follow him. I
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  S3: just wanted the benefits.
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  S5: Yeah. No, it's really good. And even accepting Jesus into
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  S5: our heart, the the word accept is so much different
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  S5: than receive. But as many as received him, they gave
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  S5: the right to be called children of God and receiving.
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  S5: I love to use this analogy, and it's just if
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  S5: you look at a wide receiver, they don't call them
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  S5: wide acceptors in the NFL. Wide receivers have an intent.
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  S5: They're going to grab that ball, bring it in, and
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  S5: they don't want anything to rip it from their hands
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  S5: right there. Holding on to this accepting is what I
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  S5: do with my wife's brussel sprouts early on in marriage,
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  S5: before she put the garlic in the oil to it heavy. Um,
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  S5: because I yeah, okay, I'll accept them. But when you
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  S5: receive something like I do chocolate covered strawberries, um, that's,
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  S5: that's a totally different deal. It's like, yes, I'm bringing
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  S5: this in all the way. So is it possible to
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  S5: think you're born again and not. Yes. Very clear. No
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  S5: one you. That's inarguable when you look at Scripture and
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  S5: it's not just in a few places, even in, uh,
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  S5: let me just pull up a quick reference here, not
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  S5: only in Matthew seven, but we find it in Matthew
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  S5: 25 where you see this analogy of these bridesmaids, and
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  S5: they're waiting for the groom to come on the day
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  S5: of judgment. And five of them have their lamps filled
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  S5: and they're ready to go. Five are not. And Jesus
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  S5: has a warning here that you can be all dressed up,
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  S5: but no place to go if you don't have an
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  S5: authentic relationship with God through His Son, Jesus Christ. So
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  S5: it's possible to think you're saved and you're not. I'll
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  S5: appeal here to second Corinthians 11, even. He says, but
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  S5: I'm afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning,
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  S5: your thoughts will be led astray. For if someone comes
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  S5: and proclaims another Jesus, then the one we proclaimed. Or
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  S5: if you receive a different spirit, or if you accept
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  S5: a different gospel, you put up with it readily enough.
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  S5: And Paul's sending an alarm up because in Corinth there
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  S5: were undoubtedly people like there were in Galatia that were
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  S5: now giving a different gospel, which, according to Paul, is
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  S5: no gospel at all. So is it possible, one that
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  S5: you can think you're saved when you're not. Yes, I
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  S5: live that for years. Young Thunder lived it for years
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  S5: to some degree. Ali, would you say that you live
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  S5: that degree? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So so that's real. Secondly,
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  S5: do words matter according to the scriptures?
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  S2: Clearly, yes.
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  S5: Okay. So words matter, meaning what we say. I mean, it,
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  S5: it absolutely matters what we say. Now, do our words
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  S5: save anyone?
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  S3: No.
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  S5: No. The Holy Spirit has to take those and translate them. Right?
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  S3: Right. People walked away from Jesus. It wasn't because he
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  S3: didn't have the right words.
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  S5: Oh, yeah. Okay. Boom. Yes. People walked away from Jesus.
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  S5: Not because he had the the right words. Uh, but they,
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  S5: in fact, walked away oftentimes because he did have the
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  S5: right words, because he spoke so clearly about what it
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  S5: meant to follow him, that they're like, I'm not willing
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  S5: to pay that price. Which is a great indicator you're
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  S5: sharing the gospel rightly. If you got people, some who
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  S5: say yes, but many who say, nah, I'm not going
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  S5: to do it. So then the question is, what are
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  S5: we looking for in people that we love? What are
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  S5: we looking for? And the best word to use is
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  S5: not whether they claim or have ever claimed to be
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  S5: Christian or were involved in something. But here's the greatest
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  S5: way to know where someone stands with God. Are they
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  S5: following Jesus? Because 369 times in the New Testament, the
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  S5: word follower or disciple is used. And what it means
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  S5: is that by the by the life they live, by
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  S5: the choices they make, by the friends they keep most
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  S5: primarily close friends. We're all to go reach the world
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  S5: and be friendly with people and love your neighbors. But
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  S5: by those primary functional things in our life. Are they perfect? No.
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  S5: Follow me around for a week. But are we on
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  S5: this path following Jesus Christ? Yes. Follower or disciple is
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  S5: the best descriptor. It means that at the end of
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  S5: the day, our intention is to align our lives with
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  S5: Christ and become Christ like. That is what Christian means.
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  S5: And we can only do that after we have a repentant,
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  S5: fully surrendered soul to Jesus. There's a couple of ways
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  S5: to go here. So I'm going to go one way first,
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  S5: and that is, I'm going to offer to some of
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  S5: you right now. You've been Christianized. You were raised in
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  S5: a Christian culture. You might have walked an aisle, you
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  S5: might have lifted a hand. You might have said a
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  S5: sinner's prayer, but your heart never really embraced it. Use
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  S5: that analogy of that kid. When a parent tells you
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  S5: to say you're sorry.
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  S3: Yeah, it's like my my mom taking me by the
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  S3: arm and dragging me over to my brother after I
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  S3: did something wrong. Going now. Say you're sorry. I go, sorry.
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  S3: And then it's. And then it's over and it's like, well,
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  S3: did I really mean sorry? No, I just wanted to.
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  S3: I wanted the situation to be done. I wanted the
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  S3: I wanted the consequences to be over.
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  S5: So Paul says in second Corinthians seven, he says godly grief.
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  S5: So two different kinds of grief. He's framing here. Godly
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  S5: grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret,
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  S5: whereas worldly grief produces death. Meaning, I love to say
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  S5: this not all tears are the same. Not all pain
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  S5: is the same. There's some pain of awareness of what
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  S5: we're doing that leads to death, nothing changes. But then
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  S5: there's this kind of grief that produces repentance, and repentance
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  S5: is the gospel. That is what Jesus sent the disciples
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  S5: out and you and me to offer repentance of sin,
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  S5: meaning changing mind, heart, direction, allegiance. I have a new
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  S5: Lord in our. Our new Lord and leader in our life.
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  S5: Is not the person staring in the mirror at you
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  S5: in the morning. It is the one, true and living God.
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  S5: It's a total abandonment to Jesus Christ in a moment.
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  S5: That's why there's no patent prayer. It's a cry of
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  S5: the heart. And I'm aware this morning that there are
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  S5: some of you that have come here, and you have
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  S5: never yet repented of your sins. You've had regret, but
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  S5: you've never repented. And the Spirit of God, which it's
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  S5: the most amazing phenomenon. Isn't it amazing how the Spirit
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  S5: of God boom in a moment, can pull down these
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  S5: blinders of darkness and reveal to us our real problem.
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  S2: And that's the power of the Holy Spirit. I mean,
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  S2: that allows us to see truth that comes to convict
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  S2: the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment that allows us
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  S2: to see that's not even our own doing. When we
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  S2: can see Jesus for who he is, that is a
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  S2: work of the Holy Spirit.
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  S5: Yeah. Amen. And here's what's awesome as we speak right
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  S5: now broadcasting on Moody radio. Been doing this for 100 years.
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  S5: Not me, but Moody Radio's been doing this for 100 years.
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  S5: We are speaking the good news. Jesus came to save sinners.
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  S5: And through repentance, by his grace alone you can be
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  S5: born again. And for some, this veil of religious activity
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  S5: has been pulled down and you see the backdrop of
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  S5: the play and it's like, whoa, I see the rig
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  S5: and I see what's really going on. And it's a
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  S5: beautiful thing when you like me or young, Young Thunder
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  S5: or Ali and to a lesser degree, super die. She
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  S5: was raised Greek Orthodox. So she thought, you know, being
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  S5: in the family kind of makes you in the family
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  S5: of sorts. You come to a point where you recognize
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  S5: my goodness. You see, you look around, you go, there's
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  S5: people around here that have something I don't have, or
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  S5: you are confronted with the reality that you have had
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  S5: regret over sin, but you've never fully repented, hands open, wide,
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  S5: surrendered to Jesus Christ, and he's changed you. But this morning,
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  S5: the Holy Spirit's breaking through in words matter. And today,
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  S5: for the first time in your life, you're saying, Karl,
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  S5: I am. I'm there, man. I didn't know this. I've
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  S5: been in this fog of spiritual activity. Or maybe you
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  S5: came here as an atheist and you had no intention
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  S5: ever to follow Jesus, but God pulled down those blinders
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  S5: as well. There is a God. It is not you.
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  S5: And Jesus came to not only die for you, but
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  S5: to carry your sins to the cross, and that by
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  S5: belief that turns to repentance. Not demonic belief, but belief
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  S5: that turns to repentance. You can have eternal life and
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  S5: life today. You're saying, Karl, I say, I want that
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  S5: from the bottom of my heart. And it's that's just beautiful,
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  S5: my friend. And it's a cry of the soul. And
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  S5: so I just want to ask you, is today a
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  S5: day of salvation for you? The the first time you
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  S5: have ever seen your sin for what it is. And
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  S5: by the power of the spirit, you are ready to
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  S5: come to Jesus. Turning away. Repenting of your sin. Leaving
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  S5: everything behind that you've made and constructed. The false gods,
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  S5: the idols, everything. And today you are repenting, turning around
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  S5: and say, Jesus, I give you my life. I surrender
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  S5: all that I am to you. Well, the promise here,
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  S5: it's going to lead to salvation without regret. There's no
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  S5: regret in repentance, friend. No regret. You will not regret
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  S5: giving all you are to Jesus this morning. So you
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  S5: recognize you're a sinner and you're repenting and you're turning
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  S5: everything over to Jesus. I'm going to pray for you
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  S5: in a moment, but we want to help you in
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  S5: your first steps with Jesus because it's a cry of
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  S5: the soul. It's not a prayer that you repeat after me.
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  S5: But if that is you today, we just want to
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  S5: help you with the resource text the word new, and
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  S5: then Ali's going to pray over you. I love. She
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  S5: listens to the Lord. She listens to the spirit, and
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  S5: she's going to listen to what the Spirit of God
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  S5: is saying to you right now. But if that's you,
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  S5: just text the word new and say, Carl, that's me.
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  S5: Cry the soul here. And there's probably tears. There's probably
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  S5: tears of shame emptying out of you, and tears of
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  S5: joy of Jesus filling you. And there's a confidence and
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  S5: no regret in repentance today. If that's you, just text
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  S5: the word new. We're going to help you with your
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  S5: first steps with Jesus. Text the word new to 805
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  S5: 557898 805 557898. Ali, would you pray for these precious folks?
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  S2: Man yes, Lord, I thank you for the person today
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  S2: who is Hearing from you by your spirit and responding, Lord,
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  S2: I thank you for that step of faith, that step
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  S2: of courage. Lord, I pray that you would silence the
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  S2: voice of the accuser. We say, the Lord rebuke you, Satan.
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  S2: You have no authority in the life of this one
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  S2: who belongs to Jesus. So I pray that there would
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  S2: be great joy that would well up, that you would
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  S2: silence any voice of shame, any doubt, any unbelief, any
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  S2: questioning whether this is the real thing. God, I pray
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  S2: that you would give thee a sweet assurance that they
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  S2: belong to you. Just like a child who looks up
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  S2: at a mom or a dad and knows that they're
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  S2: safe and that they belong. May this person experience that
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  S2: sense of belonging today. God. Lord, we don't trust feelings,
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  S2: but I pray you allow them to feel it today. God.
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  S2: To feel that joy, that hope, that peace that only
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  S2: comes from you. Lord, thank you for what you're doing
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  S2: in this one. Maybe it's just one today. Maybe it's many.
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  S2: Thank you for what you're doing. God, we're so grateful
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  S2: because we cannot save ourselves. But today, you're saving many. Yeah,
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  S2: we thank you. It's by your power. It's by your spirit.
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  S2: In Jesus name. Amen.
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  S5: Amen. Yeah. If that's you right now. Uh, just we're
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  S5: here for you. It's a simple little thing. We're going
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  S5: to help you with your first steps. Um, please only
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  S5: text this if today you know that you are repenting
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  S5: and turning around. But if you are, text the word
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  S5: new to 805 five, five, 78, 98. Just that one
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  S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
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  S1: Carl and crew.
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  S5: Okay. The beautiful thing is when we begin to understand
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  S5: what the real gospel is, and that the good news
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  S5: is that we're sinners, and that by faith, through grace,
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  S5: his power to do in us when we recognize we're sinners,
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  S5: and that only through repentance alone do we follow Jesus.
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  S5: And that the greatest indicator of where we stand with
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  S5: God is where our feet are walking, where our soul
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  S5: is headed, the direction and affection of our heart, and how,
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  S5: although imperfect and stumbling and bumbling and sacred scars all
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  S5: over us from stupid choices we make even as authentic
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  S5: disciples of Christ, the primary visible element is are you
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  S5: following Jesus? And how this changes prayers for people that
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  S5: we love is that when we get a correct understanding
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  S5: of the gospel and just rehearse a couple things, that
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  S5: there can be many who have a deception thinking that
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  S5: they have something that they don't have meaning salvation. They
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  S5: can have a cultural Christianity knowing that repentance and repentance
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  S5: alone can transform the heart. And that's by the grace
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  S5: of God. And we had a new direction. We can
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  S5: begin to pray for people differently. As a pastor, here's
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  S5: what I've seen over and over again. A lot of
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  S5: parents will ask me, Carl, I don't know what's going
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  S5: on with my kid. I don't know how do I,
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  S5: what do I do with them? And something is going
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  S5: on and they're passionate for their kid. And how do
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  S5: I pray for them? And I'll ask them a question.
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  S5: Are they a follower of Jesus? Generally speaking, they will
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  S5: point back to a time, sometimes many years ago, when they, quote,
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  S5: accepted Jesus into their heart or were involved in youth group.
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  S5: I go, no, no, hold on, slow down. And I
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  S5: mean this in mercy, but is your son or daughter
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  S5: or loved one spouse? Do they exhibit a heart for
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  S5: God and a desire, although imperfect, to follow Jesus with
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  S5: their whole heart and the. Generally the response is no,
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  S5: not at all. Rather than praying, oh God, get my
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  S5: kid back to church. I think here's the biblical prayer.
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  S5: Oh God, break my kid and do whatever you need
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  S5: to do to show them that the gods of this
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  S5: age that they are trying to derive life from are empty.
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  S5: Reveal to them that your grace and grace alone can
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  S5: bring them to repentance. God. Don't let them have themselves
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  S5: a cultural Christianity. And God, thank you for revealing to
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  S5: me that my prayer most important prayer is not God.
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  S5: Get them back in church, but God. Get them in
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  S5: Jesus Christ. Game changer guys.
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  S2: You know, and it's always so powerful when you share that.
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  S2: That's essentially what your dad said to you when he
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  S2: sat you down on that hearth when you were in
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  S2: your early 20s. And he said, I'm not going to
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  S2: pray that God gets you back to church anymore, that
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  S2: I'm going to pray that either you go all in
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  S2: with him or he takes you out.
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  S5: Takes you out of this world.
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  S2: Because you're killing yourself with your decisions. And you know,
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  S2: I've heard it. I've heard this testimony. So I'm paraphrasing.
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  S5: Yeah, you got it.
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  S2: But I mean, what in a lot of ways, that
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  S2: can be a terrifying prayer as a parent, right? I'm
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  S2: sure that your dad said that with some real trembling.
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  S5: Oh, of course. I mean, my dad loved me, and,
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  S5: you know, he's he's in the presence of God right now.
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  S5: My dad loved me so much, but he loved me
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  S5: enough to pray tough prayers. And and I'm not saying
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  S5: you love yourself, but there is a certain element of
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  S5: self protectiveness to want our kids to be somewhere and
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  S5: appealing back to something. In fact, I want to free
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  S5: you from this. Don't let where your kids are at
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  S5: with God. Don't let Satan make that an indictment on you.
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  S5: That's good. Don't do that.
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  S2: Yeah. As that that happens easily. It's almost like we
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  S2: need to believe that certain things are true about our kids.
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  S2: Because to say that it's not, then it's like, well,
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  S2: what does that say about me, about my parenting, about
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  S2: all the times that I that I took them to church?
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  S2: Is this my fault that my kid is.
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  S5: You know, here's, here's the crazy thing about this. You
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  S5: ready for this? I have seen people repent that had
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  S5: the most screwed up parenting system that they were raised
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  S5: in than you could ever imagine. And I've seen people
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  S5: who were raised in really good homes, imperfect but good
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  S5: homes whose kids don't even fake that they are Air
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  S5: Christian to their parents. They're like, I'm out of here.
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  S5: At the end of the day, this is the Holy
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  S5: Spirit that's going to work. Is there value in going
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  S5: back to a kid going, I gave I crammed a
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  S5: cultural Christianity down your throat. I just want you to
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  S5: know that I if there's something that you can own
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  S5: that you say, forgive me for this, that's dynamite. But
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  S5: at the end of the day, don't let your kid's
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  S5: spiritual condition be an indictment from Satan against you. Because, friend,
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  S5: that's that's brutal. Instead, turn it back in his face
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  S5: and say, I'm praying that you, um, who have deceived
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  S5: many in this world today and even my kids, that
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  S5: your work would be thwarted and that the Spirit of
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  S5: God would bust through because the prayer of a parent
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  S5: that says, my kid exhibits nothing as a disciple of Christ,
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  S5: now I'm no longer praying, God, get them to church,
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  S5: get them found in Christ Jesus. And here's what I know.
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  S5: Church is a called out ones, a group of people.
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  S5: When someone is born again, there is a gravitational pull
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  S5: to find people that have that same regenerated heart. Because
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  S5: all of a sudden the old friends, they don't work anymore, man.
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  S5: The old systems, they don't work anymore. So my appeal
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  S5: would be just change your prayers from God, get them
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  S5: back in church, get them back in the groove with you.
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  S5: Get them on track to God. There's a better chance
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  S5: than not that my kids have never been on track
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  S5: with you. Get them found in Jesus Christ, I pray.
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  S5: And is that a hard prayer?
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  S2: Absolutely. Absolutely.
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  S7: Yeah.
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  S5: It's hard, but it's powerful. It's powerful.
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  S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
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  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
• 41:43
  S1: Moody Radio.
• 41:44
  S5: Well, I often say here, boom crew, that the Holy
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  S5: Spirit was my lost God. And it's often that way
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  S5: in the I've got air quotes going here, evangelical Bible
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  S5: church movement. And a lot of that was a reaction
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  S5: to some abuses of the power of the spirit. But
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  S5: one of the men that God used in my life
• 42:04
  S5: through by way of a book called Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire,
• 42:07
  S5: was Jim Cymbala. What happens when God's Spirit invades the
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  S5: hearts of people? That's the subtitle of this incredible book,
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  S5: by the way. And he's with us right now. Jim,
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  S5: I want to thank you. I don't think I've told
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  S5: you this before, but your book, God used to help
• 42:24
  S5: me find my lost God. Why is the Spirit of
• 42:28
  S5: God either? It seems like we fall off two sides
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  S5: of this high ridge. Either we have presumptive abuse of
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  S5: the spirit or we neglect him altogether. How do we
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  S5: stay on that high ridge? How did we get here?
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  S8: Yeah. You know, there's the old saying, if you only
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  S8: emphasize the word, you dry up. If you only emphasize
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  S8: the spirit, you blow up. And if you emphasize the
• 42:50
  S8: word and the spirit, you can grow up. And even
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  S8: since the Reformation, Martin Luther and the reformers all the
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  S8: way up till, let's say, the mid 1900s, there was
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  S8: a neglect of the person of the Holy Spirit. The
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  S8: father was written about and the son, of course. But
• 43:05
  S8: the spirit was, uh, then you had the abuses and
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  S8: still the abuses of some things in the charismatic movement.
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  S8: So people who know their Bibles go know if that's
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  S8: the Holy Spirit barking like a dog. I pass on that.
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  S8: So it's so hard to keep that balance. But if
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  S8: we stay in the word and stay humble before the Lord,
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  S8: he'll give us the balance we need.
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  S5: I feel like there's a fresh balance in American, uh,
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  S5: kind of in the West. It feels like the divide
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  S5: isn't like it used to be in the 70s and
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  S5: 80s Jim, when there was a lot of that going on.
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  S5: Are you encouraged by the movement of the spirit that
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  S5: you're seeing across the West?
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  S8: I do. I see really some good signs, and I
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  S8: believe you're right. It's not as bad as it used
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  S8: to be. But still, there's the tendency that some churches
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  S8: are like cemeteries, just mental. We're going to study the
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  S8: Bible like the Mormon study and the Jehovah Witnesses study,
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  S8: and then we'll go out to eat. And then on
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  S8: the other side, they're flying off of walls and blaming
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  S8: it on the Holy Spirit. But I see more and
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  S8: more now because of young people drifting away from the
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  S8: church and and sons and daughters leaving the faith. People
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  S8: are getting desperate. Lord, come down from heaven and help us.
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  S5: Yeah. You know what, Jim? I want to linger there
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  S5: because my bride has a list just in our two
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  S5: church campuses here in Chicagoland at 180 Chicago Church. She's
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  S5: got a list of 43. No joking. Jim. 43 adult
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  S5: children that were raised in imperfect but really good homes
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  S5: that have walked away from church. God. Most of them.
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  S5: My aha moment, Holy spirit prompting is that most of
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  S5: them were never really in Christ to begin with. But
• 44:47
  S5: what are you learning about these. Because we've got we've
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  S5: got maybe thousands upon thousands of parents right now who
• 44:55
  S5: are heartbroken over wayward kids. What do you say to them?
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  S8: Well, first of all, God recovers stolen property. You know,
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  S8: David found out in First Samuel that when his family
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  S8: and the families of his men were robbed by the Amalekites,
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  S8: God led him to recover. And I think it's a
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  S8: beautiful picture of the fact that through prayer and intercession,
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  S8: we're going to see our kids come back. You have
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  S8: to draw a line in the sand, Carl. I have
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  S8: to say, no way. No, no, I we dedicated that
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  S8: child to the Lord. You can't just accept the fact
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  S8: that they're drifting. But on the other side, we have
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  S8: to have revival in our churches because when growing up,
• 45:35
  S8: people experience the Lord. You know, the Bible doesn't say
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  S8: study and see. It says taste and see.
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  S7: Yes.
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  S8: So there has to be an experimental element to it,
• 45:44
  S8: because once you experience the Lord and his goodness and
• 45:47
  S8: the power of the spirit, I don't care what arguments
• 45:50
  S8: they give you in the college you attend, you're going
• 45:52
  S8: to know. Know my God is real.
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  S5: Amen. Jim, symbol of my guest right now, senior pastor, Brooklyn,
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  S5: the Brooklyn Tabernacle in New York. All right. Take us back.
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  S5: You've seen the power of the spirit. Give us a
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  S5: story or two from the early days of launching the
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  S5: Brooklyn Tabernacle.
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  S8: My wife and I are unusual couple in that verse
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  S8: in First Corinthians where it says, God uses the weak
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  S8: things of the foolish things of the world. Our pictures
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  S8: in the margin of that, if you get a good Bible,
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  S8: mine's my wife's not trained musically, can't read or write music.
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  S8: She's won six Grammy Awards. Her music touched a lot
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  S8: of people around the world. I didn't go to seminary.
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  S8: I was a basketball player in high school, college, played
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  S8: in the NCAA tournament, ended up in the ministry through
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  S8: a side door, ended up in a rundown building in
• 46:40
  S8: downtown Brooklyn. Uh, years ago. Decades ago. No crack yet,
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  S8: but a lot of heroin, alcoholism, gangs, homelessness just a mess.
• 46:50
  S8: The first offering we took was $85 was the total
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  S8: tithes and offerings, and there'd be 16 on Sunday morning
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  S8: and sometimes 3 or 4 on the midweek service. My
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  S8: sermons were so bad when I started, I fell asleep
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  S8: while I was preaching.
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  S7: Not just the congregation.
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  S8: But it was.
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  S7: The Sabbath.
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  S8: Day, and that's supposed to be a day of rest.
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  S8: So I rationalized.
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  S7: It that way. So but.
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  S8: But listen, with the need around us and after making
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  S8: and still making mistakes, you get desperate for God. God,
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  S8: do you place this here just to hold the fort? No, no.
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  S8: There's got to be a purpose. So you begin to learn,
• 47:28
  S8: humble yourself, make mistakes. Like late friend Warren Wesley said,
• 47:33
  S8: you preach, you pray, and you plod. And sometimes plodding
• 47:37
  S8: is most needed. Just keep going ahead. And now, decades later,
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  S8: you know, we see all these thousands of people every
• 47:44
  S8: Sunday and the possibility of winning more for Christ, because
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  S8: downtown Brooklyn right now is worse than I've ever seen it.
• 47:51
  S8: And I'm born and raised here. So we have a
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  S8: mission field in front of us. But like someone said,
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  S8: you can't curse the darkness and wring your hands about, oh,
• 48:00
  S8: look at what's going on. They never did that in
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  S8: the New Testament. They said, let's get it on. Do
• 48:05
  S8: what the Lord said, preach.
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  S7: The.
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  S8: Gospel and depend on the spirit.
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  S5: You know, Jim, I am. I am convinced that not
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  S5: only do we need awakening, that's. It's for people to.
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  S5: Going back to what you said, taste and see that
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  S5: the Lord is good. I have a firm conviction that
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  S5: when lost people witness God's people aflame for Christ. It
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  S5: is one of the most compelling things going. I am I.
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  S5: I try to tell our people, please cut it loose
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  S5: to the glory of God. If you feel compelled to
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  S5: lift a hand, lift a hand. If you want to
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  S5: give a shout of praise, give a shout of praise.
• 48:44
  S5: Because the people on the streets of Brooklyn. Streets of Chicago,
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  S5: streets of Tampa, all the cities across America, they're dying
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  S5: for something that's alive, aren't they? Jim.
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  S8: They are something that's real. And that's why we use
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  S8: the first Sunday of every month. We call it Good
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  S8: News Sunday. And we tell our people, bring. You can
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  S8: bring them any time, but bring your unsaved friends, neighbors
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  S8: and all that. And we're going to have maybe a
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  S8: little extra music. But before I preach and close and
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  S8: give the gospel, we're going to have a testimony. So
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  S8: this just past Sunday, we had a woman who came
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  S8: into the church. She was hanging out with Rastafarians and
• 49:21
  S8: smoking weed all day long and shoplifting. And she said
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  S8: to herself, A woman kept inviting her from our church
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  S8: to attend. And when she shared what Jesus has done
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  S8: in her life, I'm telling you, it lit up the place.
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  S8: We need to remember with God nothing is impossible.
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  S5: Amen. Love it. Jim Cymbala, my guest right now, senior
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  S5: pastor of the Brooklyn Tabernacle. He's got a brand new
• 49:45
  S5: book out called Jesus Every Day. And that fits our
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  S5: wheelhouse here as we're helping you take your next step
• 49:51
  S5: with Jesus. More with Jim Symbolist straight ahead.
• 49:55
  S1: Want to hear that again? Just download the Kernel and
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  S1: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream.
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  S5: Jim Cymbala, my guest right now, senior pastor of the
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  S5: Brooklyn Tabernacle in New York. All right, Jim, what in
• 50:07
  S5: the world, my man Jesus. Every day. What compelled you
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  S5: to pin this devotional?
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  S8: Well, I've written other books starting with Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire,
• 50:15
  S8: and then I like to start my day with devotionals.
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  S8: I collect good devotionals. And I not only read the
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  S8: entry from 1 or 2 of them, I go to
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  S8: the chapter where the verse is and read that whole
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  S8: chapter along with my other reading of the Bible. And
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  S8: here's the important thing that I found, and I want
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  S8: to share with your listeners. The Christian life can only
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  S8: be lived one day at a time.
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  S7: In fact.
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  S8: Your whole life, my whole life is only one thing today.
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  S8: Yesterday is gone. You can't change one thing. Thank God
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  S8: for blessings. Have mercy, Lord, on things we did wrong.
• 50:51
  S8: Tomorrow is not guaranteed, so why worry about it? Jesus said,
• 50:55
  S8: you don't even know if you'll see it. And a
• 50:57
  S8: lot of people can't live playing old video tapes from
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  S8: the past who hurt them, what happened, and bitterness and
• 51:05
  S8: unforgiveness and through all of that. And then they're worried
• 51:08
  S8: about the future. What's going to happen to the economy?
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  S8: What's going to happen with my family? Where am I
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  S8: going to be ten years from now? And they don't
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  S8: know if they'll have more ten more days of their life.
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  S8: And what they do is miss today. Give us this day,
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  S8: not a month. Supply our daily food. Daily grace. Daily wisdom.
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  S8: Daily strength. It only comes one day at a time.
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  S8: And that's why we got to meet with the Lord
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  S8: every day. And like George Mueller, the great saint of
• 51:36
  S8: the 19th century, said, I can't start the day until
• 51:39
  S8: I first get happy in Jesus.
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  S5: I love that. Uh. All right, Jim, this is so
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  S5: true that we often forecast prognosticate actually have this demonic
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  S5: prophecy in our head that's an overflow of a betrayal.
• 51:57
  S5: In the past, a job lost, an addiction that can't
• 52:01
  S5: be won. How do we do a holy reset to
• 52:04
  S5: pick up that new mercy today and not live in
• 52:08
  S5: yesterday or worry about tomorrow? How do we do that?
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  S8: Well, it starts with being in the word. You got
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  S8: to open your heart and read the word, not just
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  S8: with your head but with your heart. Lord, speak to me.
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  S8: You know, opened my eyes that I might see the
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  S8: eyes of my heart. I might see, you know, fresh
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  S8: things from your word. And we have to remember his
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  S8: mercies are new every day. So it doesn't matter what
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  S8: yesterday was and how you messed up. You start today.
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  S8: The sins are covered by the blood of Jesus. Now what?
• 52:37
  S8: You know, we tell people, you know, God has a
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  S8: plan for your life, but your life is made up
• 52:41
  S8: of days. So what's God's plan for today? Lord, lead
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  S8: me to speak to the one you want me to speak.
• 52:48
  S8: Let me be led by the Holy Spirit today. And
• 52:51
  S8: when you're just taking up with the Lord and blessing
• 52:53
  S8: people without getting weird, then every day becomes like exciting
• 52:58
  S8: because who knows what the Lord has for us today? Uh,
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  S8: what prayer we can pray, what we can learn from
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  S8: God's Word. Every day is exciting when you start it
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  S8: with Jesus.
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  S5: I love it. You know what I'm thinking about? I
• 53:10
  S5: don't have it open right now, but Ephesians one, Paul's prayer,
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  S5: O God, that the eyes of their heart may see
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  S5: the riches that they have in Jesus Christ that is
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  S5: likened unto the raising of Christ from the dead. Wow!
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  S5: If our. If our heart has eyes to get a
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  S5: vision of that every day, Jim. And it's a game changer,
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  S5: isn't it?
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  S8: Absolutely. And just think of that the same power that
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  S8: raised Jesus from the dead dwells in us.
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  S7: Yes.
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  S8: Just think how we live below what God could do,
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  S8: not because he hasn't made provision, but because we're not aware.
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  S8: Or we get distracted, or we get carnal. And we're
• 53:49
  S8: not thinking about the Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from
• 53:53
  S8: the dead is in me. So that's why Paul could say,
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  S8: I can do all things through Christ.
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  S7: Who strengthens me.
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  S5: Amen. Whether I have suffering, need, or whether I have much.
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  S5: That's the beauty of the gospel, isn't it, Jim? Now
• 54:05
  S5: we're all over the scriptures. But I mean, the gospel
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  S5: transcends our circumstances.
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  S8: Exactly. And, you know, we got to save ourselves from
• 54:15
  S8: American Gospel, which is God just wants me to get
• 54:18
  S8: another car and a new iPhone. God has missions for us,
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  S8: and sometimes it's not so easy. But if we suffer
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  S8: with him, we will reign with him. But every day
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  S8: has to be lived. Lord, make it a masterpiece today.
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  S7: Yeah.
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  S8: And it'll never be on the pulpit. It'll never be
• 54:34
  S8: written about in newspapers. But who cares? At the end
• 54:38
  S8: of life, you're not going to answer to an editorial board.
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  S8: You're going to stand before the Lord.
• 54:43
  S5: Oh, beautiful. Okay. Boom! Crew, listen to me. It's a
• 54:47
  S5: new work called Jesus Every day, a hundred day devotional.
• 54:50
  S5: This is a kick start to your day. This is
• 54:53
  S5: something that you will begin to bury your heart in,
• 54:57
  S5: and the eyes of your heart will begin to grab
• 55:00
  S5: a greater vision, day by day, moment by moment of
• 55:04
  S5: what God has for you. Here's the key word text
• 55:09
  S5: the word every. Every. Just one word. Every. As in Jesus.
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  S5: Every day. Text every to 805 557898. We'll have a
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  S5: link there. You can grab a copy text every to
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  S5: 805 557898, every to 805 557898.
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  S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
• 55:37
  S1: and crew.
• 55:39
  S5: Wow. We are getting after today. This is one of those.
• 55:43
  S5: This is one of those discussions that has the potential
• 55:45
  S5: to really move the dial in our lives. It really
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  S5: does has the potential to really move the dial. Let
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  S5: me give you some of these quotes. This is oh
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  S5: goodness sakes. Old man disease might get choked up here
• 55:58
  S5: reading quotes from authors, some of whom are dead and gone.
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  S5: Good grief Carl. Okay. Okay. A.W. Tozer said this. The
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  S5: man or woman who has learned to know God will
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  S5: be deeply conscious of his own insufficiency, deeply conscious of
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  S5: his own insufficiency, and will never boast of anything except
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  S5: the mercy of God.
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  S2: MM. That's good.
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  S4: Okay.
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  S5: Okay. Henri Nouwen, phenomenal author. He wrote Wounded Healer, one
• 56:30
  S5: of the best books ever. I gotta get that out again.
• 56:34
  S5: This is what Henri Nouwen said. The great task of
• 56:37
  S5: the spiritual life is to allow ourselves to be known
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  S5: by God, to let him uncover what we would rather
• 56:47
  S5: keep hidden. Henri Nouwen. Richard Foster This is epic. I
• 56:55
  S5: love Richard. We used to have him on here a lot.
• 56:57
  S5: He's gotten older and has decided he can't come on
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  S5: the show anymore. He's still with us, but he's out
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  S5: walking around his home early in the morning, late at night.
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  S5: Good man of God. I love Richard so much. This
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  S5: is what he says. The discipline of. Examine in the
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  S5: discipline of examine. We place ourselves before God and ask
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  S5: him to search our hearts, trusting that he will show
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  S5: us what needs to be changed. You and then Dallas Willard.
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  S5: Spiritual formation in Christ does not occur without honest awareness
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  S5: of what is happening within us in God's presence. Pretty
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  S5: conclusive here, isn't it?
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  S2: Very much so. I mean, what if you could sum
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  S2: all of those quotes up? What's the what's the big takeaway?
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  S5: The first and foremost, discipline for any of our lives,
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  S5: at any moment of the day, is to allow and
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  S5: invite the Spirit of God to show us what we
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  S5: cannot see in ourselves, because from there we can apply
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  S5: scripture from there. We can pray intelligently from there. We can.
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  S5: We can minister to other people's with wholeness and health.
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  S5: From there, we use our spiritual gifts in power. From
• 58:25
  S5: there we build up the body of Jesus Christ. Boom!
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  S4: Woo!
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  S5: Yes! Isn't that humbling?
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  S2: It is. And wouldn't you say that this. I mean,
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  S2: as far as the sequence of things, I mean, this
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  S2: happens in prayer and in Bible reading. So it doesn't
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  S2: necessarily come before it. Right?
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  S5: No. Yeah. No. And but but here's okay. So here's
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  S5: the caveat on this one. When, when Bible reading, um,
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  S5: moves from gaining more information and shifts to it being
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  S5: a tool first and foremost to allow the Holy Spirit
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  S5: to inform me about me. Now we're on the path.
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  S5: You see, I we often approach Bible reading and study
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  S5: of information to know about how we operate. But when
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  S5: we let the Holy Spirit use Bible reading to hold
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  S5: up a mirror to. How am I operating within myself
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  S5: then the overflow of who we are changes radically. This.
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  S5: You know, it's wild because I've been talking here for
• 59:46
  S5: a long time. We've never pinned it down this definitively,
• 59:49
  S5: but I am now I look, I don't get certain
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  S5: about a lot in my old age. My doctrinal statement
• 59:56
  S5: has gotten shorter but stronger. You know what I'm saying here? Yeah.
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  S5: But the but the one thing that I know, having
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  S5: gone to the school of introspection with the Lord is
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  S5: all these other disciplines really have power and meaning and
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  S5: substance in so much as the spiritual discipline of Holy Spirit.
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  S5: Introspection takes root in our life really mean that we
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  S5: don't see ourselves rightly?
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  S2: No we don't. And it's it's a healthy thing. When
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  S2: you become aware of that.
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  S5: It's a powerful thing. And by the way, it's freedom
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  S5: because some of you might might be thinking right now, Carl,
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  S5: I don't want to see myself rightly. It's scary. Yeah.
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  S5: I'll grant you. It's it's tough sometimes to hear the
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  S5: Holy Spirit say, this has to change in you. This
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  S5: right here. This has to change. The reason you say
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  S5: that or do that is is that there's shallow drivers here, Carl,
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  S5: for this. And this has to change. And here's what's amazing.
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  S5: Conviction followed by response is always blessed with streams of
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  S5: living water that flood our soul man.
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  S1: They are celebrating the unstoppable gospel.
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  S3: It's not that I've got to fill in these check boxes.
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  S3: So he's okay with me, but it's that I get
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  S3: to stand close to him so that I can experience
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  S3: the life that he has for me.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S5: It's Carl and crew. We're talking really about more than
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  S5: just self awareness, because talking to the man in the mirror,
• 1:01:44
  S5: that can be that can be surface. But when the
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  S5: Holy Spirit begins to search us, maybe through a friend,
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  S5: maybe through the Word of God. But it's that let
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  S5: me be very clear here. It's that posture of absolute
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  S5: humility that doesn't even look at behaviors, but begins to
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  S5: mind by the power of the spirit, the motivation behind
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  S5: those behaviors.
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  S2: That's where it gets tricky because the behavior you can modify.
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  S2: But that heart, the motive, the thoughts. If you ever
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  S2: notice that those things are much harder to, to, to
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  S2: try to change.
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  S5: Yeah. And what's interesting about that is Ali, for me personally,
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  S5: the Holy Spirit alone can put the finger on not
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  S5: just the behavior that needs to change, but the why
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  S5: I do what I do. Right. And he loves us
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  S5: that much. By the way, the Holy Spirit is called
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  S5: the comforter. He will guide you into all truth. He
• 1:02:35
  S5: convicts the world regarding sin, righteousness, and judgment. It's to
• 1:02:38
  S5: our advantage that Jesus goes because this powerful, deep, introspective,
• 1:02:46
  S5: liberating God, the Holy Spirit will come and speak. Yes,
• 1:02:52
  S5: I'm passionate about this. This. These are the unseen, unspoken
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  S5: disciplines that the. richest among us live out. So Ali's
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  S5: got a question for you this morning.
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  S2: What's something about yourself that you couldn't see until the
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  S2: Holy Spirit revealed it to you? Let's go to Yvonne
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  S2: calling in this morning from Florida. Tell us what was
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  S2: something that you couldn't see until the Holy Spirit put
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  S2: a finger on it.
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  S9: Thank you so much for taking my call. Um, I'm
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  S9: trying not to cry. It was self-righteousness. It was self-righteousness.
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  S9: My daughter a few maybe a year or two ago
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  S9: in anger, you know, just just shouted at me that
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  S9: you're so self-righteous. And I recoiled in anger. I didn't believe,
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  S9: I didn't want to believe, and I've just been on
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  S9: fasting before the Lord and in prayer. And, um, the
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  S9: Holy Spirit just quietly leaned into my spirit and I
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  S9: think day seven of my fast and said, she's like,
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  S9: you're so righteous. It was just so quiet. It was I. Yeah.
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  S5: That's beautiful. Yvonne, thank you for calling in. That takes courage, sister.
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  S5: And it's a it's what's crazy about that moment. Because
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  S5: if you have listened to the Spirit of God, it's
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  S5: it's tough because the last thing human nature wants to
• 1:04:19
  S5: do is, is say that person that acted. It's, it's
• 1:04:26
  S5: easy to diminish or to absolutely push to the margins.
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  S5: Any accusation that's done in the heat of battle, right?
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  S5: Especially because you can rationalize it. That person's ticked off,
• 1:04:39
  S5: they're out of line. Well, look at their own life.
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  S5: But when you come before the Lord and you spend
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  S5: some time honestly before him, you might find out, oh
• 1:04:47
  S5: my goodness, she was right. I do have self-righteousness. And
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  S5: that's a liberating thing because here's the beauty of that.
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  S5: Right behind the conviction comes streams of living water rushing in.
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  S2: Oh, yeah. As you realize, Lord, this is not something
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  S2: that I want. And now that I see it, you
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  S2: have to help me. Because I don't want this to
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  S2: be true of me.
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  S5: Ruth. First time caller. Weeki Wachee, Florida. What do you say?
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  S10: Hi. Um, I was raised in a Christian home, and
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  S10: my mother was loving to some. But to me, all
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  S10: I heard was a very sharp tone. Well, as I grew,
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  S10: I inherited that tone and it really took the Holy
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  S10: Spirit through people saying, why are you so mean to
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  S10: show me. Allow me to hear myself talk so I
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  S10: could be saying the perfect words. However, the tone that
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  S10: I used just killed whatever message I was saying. And
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  S10: the Holy Spirit through the Word of God, this showed
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  S10: me how you know. Words of sweetly spoken sends a
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  S10: message a lot stronger than any tone I could use.
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  S2: Ruth, first time caller from Weeki Wachee, Florida. Thank you
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  S2: so much. Let's go to Sabrina calling in this morning
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  S2: from Bedford, Ohio. Sabrina, what's something about yourself that you
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  S2: just couldn't see until the Holy Spirit revealed it?
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  S11: Well, the Holy Spirit revealed to me, and thank you
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  S11: that I was looking at the Holy Spirit as reverence,
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  S11: not Reverencing the Holy Spirit, looking at the Holy Spirit
• 1:06:30
  S11: as a power instead of the person of God. And
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  S11: then once I lamented and repented, the Holy Spirit revealed
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  S11: to me that I was critical and judgmental. And I
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  S11: was like, no, I pick up people I don't even
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  S11: know and help them. Then I bring in people in
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  S11: our home who we don't even know. So that couldn't be.
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  S11: And then the Holy Spirit so gently, just let me
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  S11: sit on that. And I repented. And then he just
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  S11: showed me more and more of myself. And then I
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  S11: was like, oh, wow. And he allowed me to say,
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  S11: this is not just you. This is me. And we.
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  S11: It's about the body. How we have to change. And
• 1:07:12
  S11: even that lady right before me, Ruth, he is so
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  S11: he is so gracious because what she just said that's
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  S11: of me. It's been like that all my life. Because
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  S11: I have to protect myself because of my dysfunctional family.
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  S11: And now he's even doing more of revealing to me
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  S11: what I need to do so I can be a
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  S11: servant to his precious people. Because once I really repented,
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  S11: he showed me even later that even the murderer, the pedophile,
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  S11: the thief, they are what they've done, but they are
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  S11: still my precious people, and they deserve to be respected
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  S11: and loved because that's their only chance.
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  S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stand for anything you
• 1:08:01
  S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
• 1:08:05
  S1: curl and crew on Moody radio.
• 1:08:08
  S5: You know, self-awareness is one thing. We talk a lot
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  S5: about that in the world. You don't even have to
• 1:08:12
  S5: be a disciple of Christ to talk about self-awareness. But
• 1:08:15
  S5: spirit awareness is powerhouse, man. This is where we allow
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  S5: the Lord to search our hearts in powerful ways. Dallas
• 1:08:22
  S5: Willard says spiritual formation in Christ does not occur without
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  S5: honest awareness of what is happening within us in God's presence.
• 1:08:32
  S5: And you pair that with a couple others here, Henri Nouwen,
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  S5: great author of the book Wounded Healer. He wrote, the
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  S5: great task of the spiritual life is to allow ourselves
• 1:08:43
  S5: to be known by God, to let him uncover what
• 1:08:46
  S5: we would rather keep hidden. And then Richard Foster in
• 1:08:52
  S5: the discipline of examine. Isn't that a great term in
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  S5: the discipline?
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  S2: Discipline of examining.
• 1:08:57
  S5: Examine? We place ourselves before God and ask him to
• 1:09:02
  S5: search our hearts, trusting that he will show us what
• 1:09:06
  S5: needs to be changed. What is the Spirit of God
• 1:09:09
  S5: reveal to you that needs to change? Millie. First time caller,
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  S5: Delray Beach, Florida. What do you say?
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  S12: Well, I sat down one weekend and and good morning guys.
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  S12: By the way. Um, just on one weekend with a
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  S12: few ladies at a church and we were asked, what
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  S12: is the one thing that, um, you need to let go,
• 1:09:29
  S12: ask the Lord? And I sat there and I spoke
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  S12: to him, and all I can hear the Holy Spirit
• 1:09:35
  S12: say is doubt. And it surprised me because I am
• 1:09:39
  S12: a very positive person that speaks life and has a
• 1:09:43
  S12: lot of faith. But I did not know that doubt
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  S12: was within me, not towards me serving others. It was
• 1:09:50
  S12: serving myself where I doubt it when I say the
• 1:09:53
  S12: Lord can do this, and I did not know that
• 1:09:56
  S12: I would question in my mind, um, when will it happen?
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  S12: How can it happen? And he reminded me, you need
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  S12: to remove doubt.
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  S5: That's a beautiful thing. It's the prayer, oh God, I believe,
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  S5: help my unbelief. Yeah. That's beautiful. Millie, what's something about
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  S5: yourself that you couldn't see until the Holy Spirit revealed
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  S5: it to you?
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  S2: Amy, first time caller from Greenwood, Indiana. Tell us what
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  S2: is something that the Holy Spirit allowed you to see.
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  S2: You couldn't see it before.
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  S13: Good morning. Selfishness, 100% selfishness. I was only concerned about Amy,
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  S13: and because of that, it led me to sin and
• 1:10:34
  S13: and leading me to deal with some legal problems. But, um,
• 1:10:42
  S13: he has dealt with my shame, and I have received
• 1:10:44
  S13: his mercy. And I'm going to use this for his glory,
• 1:10:47
  S13: and I'm going to I'm going to get rid of
• 1:10:50
  S13: this selfishness. He. He is taking it from me and I,
• 1:10:54
  S13: I am just I am so thankful that he allowed
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  S13: the Holy Spirit to, to reveal that about myself.
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  S5: That's a powerful thing. Amy. First time caller, Greenwood, Indiana
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  S5: sister with that moment, because there's some that might have
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  S5: to face that or something different. When you saw that
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  S5: by the power of the spirit, when you saw that
• 1:11:15
  S5: so clearly, it hurt for a bit. But tell us
• 1:11:19
  S5: what happened then right after that, when you saw it
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  S5: face to face for what it was.
• 1:11:24
  S13: I had to receive humility. Like you stated earlier, I
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  S13: would have not been able to deal with it before. Um,
• 1:11:33
  S13: but he, he allowed my fiance to reveal that about myself.
• 1:11:37
  S13: You know, he, he says, Amy, you're selfish. And I said, no,
• 1:11:40
  S13: I'm a good person. I'm not selfish, but the selfishness.
• 1:11:44
  S13: You know, I thought I could lead through this life
• 1:11:46
  S13: by myself, and I can't. I need him every second
• 1:11:50
  S13: of every day. And he is going to get me
• 1:11:52
  S13: through this. Um. And I'm not afraid.
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  S5: That's beautiful, man. That's beautiful. Amy. Sister, we're so proud
• 1:11:59
  S5: of you. That's awesome. That's why we call you the
• 1:12:01
  S5: boom crew right there. Boom. Just nailing it. Ali, what
• 1:12:04
  S5: are your thoughts here, sister?
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  S2: You know, I love how what she said, you know,
• 1:12:08
  S2: she was kind of in denial, like, no, I'm a
• 1:12:10
  S2: I'm a good person. I'm a. Sometimes when we see things,
• 1:12:14
  S2: it rubs up against our perception of self. And it's
• 1:12:20
  S2: so good that we can rely on the mercy and
• 1:12:22
  S2: grace of God, because otherwise we just have to accept
• 1:12:25
  S2: that selfishness or self righteousness or all these other things
• 1:12:29
  S2: are just true of me and nothing can be done
• 1:12:31
  S2: about it. Well, we go to the grace of God
• 1:12:34
  S2: and the power to change us, and we go, okay,
• 1:12:36
  S2: that's true of me. And now I need the Holy
• 1:12:39
  S2: Spirit to change me, and he will.