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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 11-3-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, everybody!
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the.
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  Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: ESPN 792 on FM. Glad to be here with you.
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  Speaker 3: It is Holy War week. It doesn't get any better
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  Speaker 3: than a number three versus a number seven. Not in
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  Speaker 3: this particular rivalry, although maybe next year it'll be even
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  Speaker 3: better because if you remember this time last year or
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  Speaker 3: this time in Holy War week last year, we were
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  Speaker 3: talking about, we were speculating. I was, I was asking
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  Speaker 3: you to tell me, is this the most consequential, the
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  Speaker 3: most important Holy war game ever. And last year, I
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  Speaker 3: think the answer was yes. The winner of the game
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  Speaker 3: was going to go to the big 12 championship.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what happened. I think it's.
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  Speaker 3: Undoubtedly the most important, most consequential Holy war game, uh,
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  Speaker 3: to date when we kick off on Saturday at 10
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  Speaker 3: AM at rice cycle stadium. But you tell me eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, zero, 700, uh, Uh, the,
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  Speaker 3: the weight, both teams are carrying such a weight in
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  Speaker 3: this one.
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  Speaker 1: That that's what makes it so interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, the extended consequence of winning in state recruiting battles
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  Speaker 3: or not.
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  Speaker 1: Of, you know, coaching retention or not.
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  Speaker 3: I think that both of these coaching staffs are actually
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  Speaker 3: probably pretty dialed in of player.
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  Speaker 1: Retention or not.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You don't always get a ton of movement from one
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  Speaker 3: of these rosters to the other, but we've seen it,
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  Speaker 3: and we've seen players in this year's game that originally
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  Speaker 3: suited up for the other squad.
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  Speaker 1: Although, and I say this in the most.
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  Speaker 3: Sportsmanlike and serious way, Keanu Tanuvasa may or may not
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  Speaker 3: be available for BYU. His wife, if you remember, we
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  Speaker 3: talked to him at Big 12 media days. His wife
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  Speaker 3: is due this week. And there's ways you can induce,
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  Speaker 3: you can manage, you can whatever. But, you know, if
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  Speaker 3: you have children, you know how touchy and unpredictable that
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  Speaker 3: whole scenario can be. And the only way to think,
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  Speaker 3: and I genuinely do think this way, is that the
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  Speaker 3: game is massively important but pales in comparison to the
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  Speaker 3: sacred nature of being there When your child is born.
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  Speaker 3: So I know he will make the correct decision on that.
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  Speaker 3: I hope it doesn't run into the other. One doesn't
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  Speaker 3: run into the other. But Keanu Tanavasa is obviously the
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  Speaker 3: most notable guy with interest in both teams, having played
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  Speaker 3: and excelled at the University of Utah before transferring to BYU.
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  Speaker 3: It's a huge week, and in the midst of this
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  Speaker 3: huge week, you've got mammoth hockey, you've got jazz basketball.
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  Speaker 3: Running Utes had to rally from down 17 last night,
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  Speaker 3: but ultimately got the win. BYU men's basketball started their
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  Speaker 3: season at the Delta Center against the Ohio State Buckeyes.
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  Speaker 3: The women tip off tonight at the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 3: Gavin Peterson and his crew looking to make a run
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  Speaker 3: to the NCAA tournament tonight. So, you know, it's a
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  Speaker 3: crowded time of year on the sports calendar. BYU, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, got the win at the Delta Center last night.
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  Speaker 3: And that will probably, depending on how everything plays out,
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  Speaker 3: but that will probably be a quad one win when
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  Speaker 3: it's all said and done. I think no worse than
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  Speaker 3: a quad two win for BYU men's basketball. And a
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  Speaker 3: great opportunity for them, and they took advantage of it.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk with Gordy Chiesa, who's going to join us
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  Speaker 3: about that. Jerem Jordan. If you're really hating on the
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  Speaker 3: BYU stuff, today's show, there's a couple times where you're
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  Speaker 3: going to have a hard time. Red and blue with
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  Speaker 3: Jerem Jordan, and then at 1.30, Austin Colley is going
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  Speaker 3: to join us. And Austin Colley is a BYU football legend.
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  Speaker 1: He is infamous. and nefarious for the Utah fans.
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  Speaker 3: And we'll get a little rivalry talk going on this
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  Speaker 3: week with Austin Colley. We will make sure that we
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  Speaker 3: balance that out over the rest of the week. We're
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  Speaker 3: going to have more Utes than Cougs on, I promise you.
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  Speaker 3: So just bear with us as we talk with Austin
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  Speaker 3: Colley today.
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  Speaker 5: I know some of you that like to text in
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  Speaker 5: have said, hey, rivalry week is fine if you're going
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  Speaker 5: to have a little more Cougar guests than usual because
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  Speaker 5: that's who they're playing that week. So that, so there
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  Speaker 5: you go. That's, that's going to happen a couple of
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  Speaker 5: times this week. Austin Colley is one of them. And
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  Speaker 5: then Tuesdays, we continue our Tuesday segment red and blue
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  Speaker 5: with Jerem Jordan.
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  Speaker 1: So that's, what's going on today. Do you think Austin
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  Speaker 1: is still living?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 1: We can ask him. Do you think the Lord is
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  Speaker 1: still stepping in for Austin Colley?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, uh, I feel like there, there's a
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  Speaker 3: certain level of, Maturity that comes with a life having
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  Speaker 3: lived like an actual real life after making that statement.
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  Speaker 3: Austin Colley would probably take a mulligan on that exact statement.
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  Speaker 5: I got a chance last year. Maybe it's like I
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  Speaker 5: met what I said and it's working out.
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  Speaker 3: I got a chance last year to go down when
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  Speaker 3: Utah was on the road and do the BYU Sports
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  Speaker 3: Nation pregame show. They do their own little college game
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  Speaker 3: day thing, right? And Austin is on that set. David
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  Speaker 3: Nixon is on that set. And as painful as it is,
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  Speaker 3: they're actually pretty easy to hang out with. Actually, not
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  Speaker 3: as uncool as you think they are, those particular individuals.
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  Speaker 3: And it hurts me to say, almost, during Holy War Week.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, we will let BYU voices be heard today,
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  Speaker 3: and then we'll kind of mouthwash it for the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the week and get only Utes.
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  Speaker 1: But it'll be fun to get that.
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  Speaker 3: That other perspective, Vegas still thinks this is a game
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  Speaker 3: that belongs to the university of Utah. You get, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you get three and a half points. You get three
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  Speaker 3: points for being at home in most matchups. And Utah
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  Speaker 3: started about there, ended up the current line on this
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  Speaker 3: game is at five and a half. So the experts
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  Speaker 3: think that it's a five and a half point spread
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  Speaker 3: in favor of Utah ABC kickoff. According to the ESPN website,
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  Speaker 3: tickets are available for as little as $ 422. This is
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  Speaker 3: a premium price.
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  Speaker 1: This is a premium game to go to. Kentucky, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: We'll do this. James, remind me. I want to update
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  Speaker 1: this ticket price thing every day.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: For the games this week? For the games this week. Kentucky, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: That's a sneaky matchup versus 16 in Neyland stadium.
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  Speaker 3: That's a $ 363 get in price. If you want to
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  Speaker 3: go to Vought Hemingway stadium in Oxford, Mississippi, that's going
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  Speaker 3: to cost you $ 319 to see number two, Georgia versus
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  Speaker 3: number 12 old miss.
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  Speaker 1: At the Grove, right?
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  Speaker 3: Even the Iowa Northwestern game is kind of expensive. Alabama
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  Speaker 3: LSU at Tiger Stadium, nine versus 15. You can get
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  Speaker 3: that ticket for $ 255. And are there truly no tickets
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  Speaker 3: available for Miami versus Notre Dame?
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  Speaker 1: That can't be right. That can't be true. Ah, there
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  Speaker 1: they are.
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  Speaker 3: The get-in price at Notre Dame Stadium for number one
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  Speaker 3: versus number four is $ 723.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So Utah BYU is the second most expensive ticket in
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  Speaker 3: the game right now. What was the, what was that price?
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  Speaker 3: 723 or no BYU, Utah. That's 424.
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  Speaker 1: So second by like a, by like a hundred plots. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, we got, we got time to drive that price up.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Notre Dame who? inflate the ticket prices. Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to do something.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to go through a fun exercise during the
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  Speaker 3: week as well, as we lead up to the Holy
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  Speaker 3: war game, instead of doing it all on Friday show,
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  Speaker 3: I want to have real conversations about all of this.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I want to have thoughtful conversations about how the position
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  Speaker 3: breakdown goes.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to look at numbers. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: look at stats.
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  Speaker 3: When we started this Utah football outlook, right? When we
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  Speaker 3: were talking about the season, And what was to come?
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  Speaker 3: We looked at perceived strengths. We looked at perceived weaknesses.
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  Speaker 3: You did the same thing with BYU. You did the
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  Speaker 3: same thing with Texas tech. I took a look at
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  Speaker 3: Arizona because I thought Arizona was going to be pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Turns out that they are, and you could only project
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  Speaker 3: so much, but now we're eight games into the season.
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  Speaker 1: And now you kind of know who people are. And now.
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  Speaker 3: The old, Denny Green, we are who we thought they were.
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  Speaker 3: Your numbers are going to tell you a certain story
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  Speaker 3: and not a complete one, right? And the only number
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  Speaker 3: that matters, we have to acknowledge, is 8-0. The only
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  Speaker 3: number that matters week to week is the scoreboard. Everything
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  Speaker 3: else pales in comparison, is insignificant next to.
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  Speaker 1: The final score of these games.
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  Speaker 3: You look at it, and you go position by position,
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  Speaker 3: and I want to do a blind stat comparison. I
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  Speaker 3: want you on Twitter, at Relo Seasports, on the text
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  Speaker 3: line at 877-353-0700, to tell me which you would rather have. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to start with tight end rooms. One of
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  Speaker 3: these tight end rooms belongs to the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 3: One of them belongs to BYU.
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 3: Which would you rather have in this game?
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  Speaker 1: 31 total catches.
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  Speaker 3: 408 total yards, eight total touchdowns. 36 total catches, so
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  Speaker 3: five more catches. 401 total yards, so seven fewer yards,
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  Speaker 3: one touchdown. I'm not asking you, would you rather have
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  Speaker 3: Walker Lyons or Noah Benney?
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I'm not asking you that question because you.
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  Speaker 3: Have something in your head about both of those things, right?
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  Speaker 3: I don't like what that kid represents. I don't like
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  Speaker 3: anything that's BYU. I'm asking you which of these production
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  Speaker 3: stat lines would you rather have blind resume and with
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  Speaker 3: tight ends, it's tough because you don't get to, you
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  Speaker 3: don't get to factor in the impact that these guys
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  Speaker 3: have blocking when it comes to a sat line. Although
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  Speaker 3: Both lions and Sally Apaga at BYU are adept blockers.
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  Speaker 3: The Utah tight end room is a lot different because
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  Speaker 3: you've got, and by the way, I took only the
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  Speaker 3: top producers, right? So if you're the backup, backup, backup,
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  Speaker 3: and you have one special teams tackle, you don't fall
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  Speaker 3: into any of these stat lines.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. That we're going to discuss.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where are the tackles for these tight end lines? But you're,
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  Speaker 1: you're blocking grade. You could, we could go look at
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  Speaker 1: pro football.
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  Speaker 3: Pro football network or pro football focus or whatever, and
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  Speaker 3: we could get their blocking score.
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  Speaker 1: I am not, those are not gospel to me.
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  Speaker 3: I would rather talk to the position coaches and the
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  Speaker 3: guys who actually know. And what we have heard, at
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  Speaker 3: least on the Utah side of things and from everything
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  Speaker 3: I was able to research and read on the BYU
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  Speaker 3: side of things, the blocking performance is at least satisfactory for.
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  Speaker 1: These position rooms. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, 31 catches, 408 yards, eight touchdowns, 36 catches,
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  Speaker 3: 401 yards, one touchdown. Now, the guys that are responsible
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  Speaker 3: for these numbers, and you don't know which one is
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  Speaker 3: which yet, if you're a hardcore fan, you probably already
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  Speaker 3: know whose team is who.
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  Speaker 1: It's Salihapaga, who is.
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  Speaker 3: A big-time transfer that BYU is very happy to get.
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  Speaker 3: It's Lyons, who's one of the highest-rated recruits that they've
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  Speaker 3: ever had. His brother is an even higher-rated recruit who's
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  Speaker 3: currently on a– shortened mission, right? If you're talking about Utah,
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  Speaker 3: it's Noah Benny, who was at Utah, transferred to Weber state,
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  Speaker 3: came back to Utah.
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  Speaker 1: So a convoluted journey there.
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  Speaker 3: And it's Hunter Andrews, who is kind of not a
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  Speaker 3: tight end, but his, his catches come out of like
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  Speaker 3: a hybrid position. And it's semi tell Longa, who is
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  Speaker 3: I don't even, he's a Rhino. He's not a tight end.
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  Speaker 3: He's not a fullback.
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  Speaker 5: He's a boldly technically listed as tight ends for both
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  Speaker 5: of those guys.
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  Speaker 3: So this one might be a little unfair from the
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  Speaker 3: comparative standpoint. And I'm sure that all of you thinking
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  Speaker 3: about it when I, especially when I named the names,
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  Speaker 3: you're like, Oh yeah, the, the more touchdowns that's us,
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  Speaker 3: that's Utah. So when I say, which would you rather have?
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  Speaker 3: And we're going to do this with every position room.
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  Speaker 3: Who's got the advantage? Tight end advantage, Utah. Raise your
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  Speaker 3: hand if you're sitting in your office right now, you're
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  Speaker 3: going to look weird doing this, but I want you
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  Speaker 3: to do it anyway. Raise your hand if you actually
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  Speaker 3: thought that Utah, heading into the Holy War game, was
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  Speaker 3: going to have the advantage at the tight end position,
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  Speaker 3: or even at the hybrid tight end position, over BYU
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  Speaker 3: heading into this year. This was a place where you
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  Speaker 3: were replacing Utah an NFL football player in Dallin Bentley,
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  Speaker 3: where you were coming off of year after year, after
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  Speaker 3: year of excellence at the tight end position at the
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  Speaker 3: university of Utah or at the hybrid tight end position.
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  Speaker 3: Cause Brant Keithy was that right. Don Kincaid was a
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  Speaker 3: tight end, but he's really a receiver.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But listed as a tight end.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's been six or seven years of awesome,
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  Speaker 3: awesome tight end play at the university of Utah. And
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  Speaker 3: the man responsible for that in the position coaching room,
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  Speaker 3: he gone, right. And being sued the play and the
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  Speaker 3: players and the players that had established themselves as those
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  Speaker 3: guys gone, no longer with the program, raise your hand.
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  Speaker 3: If you actually thought Utah was going to have a
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  Speaker 3: statistical advantage. And I think a real practical and versatility
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  Speaker 3: advantage going into this game. Now, on paper and on
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  Speaker 3: the field, things can play out a little bit differently.
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  Speaker 3: The matchups that are created by Utah's tight end room
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  Speaker 3: or hybrid tight end room and BYU's are actually pretty different.
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  Speaker 3: You've got Utah with a traditional tight end in Noah Benny.
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  Speaker 3: He kind of does it all. He is what you
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  Speaker 3: think of when, all right, can I get this guy
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  Speaker 3: on a DB? He's too big for the DB to cover.
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  Speaker 3: Can I get him on a backer? Hopefully he's a
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  Speaker 3: little too fast for the backer to cover. That's what
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  Speaker 3: both of BYU's tight ends are though, right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the more traditional one, traditional modern pass catching tight end,
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  Speaker 5: we should say.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So BYU's got that. They got two Noah Bennys.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What they don't have is, Is Semi-Talonga. Rhino. They don't
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  Speaker 1: have Hunter Andrews.
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  Speaker 5: They don't have the Brant Keithy type fullback slash tight
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  Speaker 5: end slash running back Hunter Andrews.
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  Speaker 3: With respect to Aaron Roderick and to BYU, I know
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  Speaker 3: that they have someone on their roster that they want
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  Speaker 3: to be that, but they don't have it as a
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  Speaker 3: staple in their playbook. They don't have it as a
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  Speaker 3: reliable presence on the field. So shockingly, perhaps advantage in
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  Speaker 3: the tight end position battle goes to Utah.
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  Speaker 5: Shout out to Luke Wells, by the way, the current,
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  Speaker 5: the new tight ends coach for Utah for two making
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  Speaker 5: that happen. Also, obviously Mac G is scheming it up
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  Speaker 5: as the offensive coordinator, but we talked about Freddie Whittingham
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  Speaker 5: was the guy that we credited with over the last
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  Speaker 5: almost decade or so of great tight end play half
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  Speaker 5: a decade or so.
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  Speaker 1: He gone.
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  Speaker 5: Luke Wells is the guy making it happen along with
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  Speaker 5: Mac G now.
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  Speaker 1: So shout out to you, Luke Wells. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Now I think the tight end one is probably pretty
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  Speaker 3: easy for people to get because Most of you don't
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  Speaker 3: get to sit in front of the stat sheets and
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  Speaker 3: the breakdowns and all that stuff and have these things memorized.
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  Speaker 3: This next comparative is going to start giving you a
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  Speaker 3: better picture of what this matchup actually looks like when
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  Speaker 3: you approach it the way that I'm approaching it, okay?
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  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of different ways that this is flawed,
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  Speaker 3: but we're still going to do it this way because
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  Speaker 3: it's fun to drive conversation and to make people think,
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  Speaker 3: including myself doing this research project last night while I'm
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  Speaker 3: trying to half watch basketball and finishing up the Bears
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks game, which we will talk about today.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, OK, let me let me figure out.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm choosing, if I'm creative teaming this thing, if
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  Speaker 3: I'm playing Madden and I'm just.
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  Speaker 1: Like, all right, I want this.
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  Speaker 3: I guess I'd be playing NCAA football because it's back.
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  Speaker 3: I want this tight end room. I want this linebacker room.
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  Speaker 3: I want this running back room. Which team, if I
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  Speaker 3: build it piece by piece, which team is actually the
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  Speaker 3: better team? This is where it gets a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more interesting. Let's go to interior design. defensive line.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: The interior defensive lines in the Holy war rivalry game.
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  Speaker 3: Now again, D line interior D line, not the defensive
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  Speaker 3: ends interior D line. We talked about this when the
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  Speaker 3: year started and after spring ball as being like a, okay, well,
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  Speaker 3: how do we feel about this? What do we know
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  Speaker 3: about these guys? Who's going to be the playmaker here?
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  Speaker 3: What do we think is going to happen? Which one
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  Speaker 3: of these would you rather have? Interior defensive line production
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  Speaker 3: line A. Here's your stat line. 54 total tackles. Ten
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  Speaker 3: and a half tackles for loss. Seven sacks. Two passes defended.
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  Speaker 3: These are officially kept stats.
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Again, they don't tell the full story. For example, When.
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  Speaker 3: a defensive lineman perfectly executes his stunt or his slant
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: that draws a tackle or a guard or potentially both.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: onto him across the formation, out of the hole that
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: then opens things up for a Cyrus Polo or for
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: a Jackson Benny or for whatever you don't get credit
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  Speaker 3: for that on this stat sheet, pro football focus should
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: be giving you credit for something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they do.
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  Speaker 5: Speaker 0 7th, it goes into their overall grades for
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: the season and the game.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's your execution grade.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: But again, like There's a lot of assumption, and they
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: do a really, really good job of making sure that
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: it's football guys, it's coaches and ex-players that are watching these.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Watching every play.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: And they're watching every play, and they're saying, all right,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: from what I'm seeing on film here, I infer that
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: his assignment was this, and he either did that or
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: he did not do that. So they're getting credit most
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: of the time for doing the right thing there. These
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: stats are the ones that the fans in the stadium
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: know about, right?
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So 54 tackles, total tackles, 10 and a half tackles
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  Speaker 3: for loss, seven sacks, two passes defended batted down at
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  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. All right.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, are you leaving out like fumbles recovered and, and,
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: and interceptions because that's not because they don't have any,
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: or is that just another one in the weeds that
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: you're not going into that one.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I thought about incorporating, but I thought that an interception
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: was too heavy to compare these two defensive lines against
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: one another. It would be like, well, if they're the
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: production was otherwise close to one with the interception. Cause
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: one of these two D lines has an interception.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Got it. Okay. But kind of a fluke play.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Right.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: So that I, I would agree with that fumbles.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Fumbles forced or recovered are not as fluky for a
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: defensive line, but I think what you've incorporated is fine.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: I was just curious if you were leaving that out
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: or if they just didn't have those stats.
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  Speaker 1: So, interior D-line B, which would you rather have? 54 tackles.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, this is a recap of interior D-line A. 54 tackles, 10.5
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  Speaker 3: for loss, 7 sacks, 2 passes defended. Interior defensive line B,
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  Speaker 3: 57 tackles.
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  Speaker 1: Three more.
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  Speaker 3: 11 tackles for loss, half a tackle for loss more.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Five sacks, two fewer sacks.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Seven passes defended, though.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Getting those hands up, line B.
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  Speaker 3: So, James, which would you rather have, interior defensive line
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  Speaker 3: A or interior defensive line B?
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: So, sacks and tackles for loss are very.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: basically the.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Same thing one's a more glorified version than of the
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: other so if you combine the two the one b
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  Speaker 5: has 16 tackles for loss if you're if you're just
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: combining those right and the other line a has a
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  Speaker 5: couple more 17 and a half 17 and a half
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: so but it's basically even right um three more total
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: tackles i don't think total tackles matters a whole lot
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: you want those Tackles for loss, that's a differentiator.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously, I think pass is defended.
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  Speaker 5: I probably go with B because more pass is defended.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Significantly more pass is defended. That's disruptive, right? That's disruptive.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: It doesn't put you back. It's not as glorified as
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: a tackle for loss, but that's still pretty disruptive to
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: get your hands there and tipping balls.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: So I probably go with B because it feels like
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: it's even otherwise. Do you know which is which? Who
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: is Utah? Who's BYU? I would guess that B is Utah.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: B is BYU. Is it really?
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  Speaker 5: And I wasn't guessing that because I'm hoping that the
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: line I would choose is Utah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: I thought that maybe there were more that BYU might
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: have had more sacks than Utah did from their interior defense.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting because.
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  Speaker 3: The interior defensive line at Utah, Carson Cal Fousey has
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: led that charge.
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  Speaker 1: Carson Cal Fousey leads the team in sacks. Yeah. And
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: we know Jai Moe has had a few sacks as well.
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: So both of those guys have been productive in their
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: interior pass rush. It is actually Keanu Tanu Vasa that
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: sways things in BYU's favor because he is accounted for
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: five of the seven passes defended at the line of scrimmage.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I actually think that both of
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: these teams, if we went back and we watched every snap,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I think that we would probably find another past defendant
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: or two for both of these teams.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Just like, I think that we might be able to
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: find a sack for the defensive ends for Utah somewhere.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Like someone is that wishful thinking? Oh no, I really do.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Like there's one for in the Colorado game that bill
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: Riley called as a sack for Ethan day, but the
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: quarterback was starting to go forward a little bit. So
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: they called that a minus two yard rush instead of
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: a sack. So I, I think that there, and then
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: there was, what's the one that Lance whole squad jumped
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: over the quarterback against Houston when Wegman slipped and he
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: didn't like touch him. So Lance whole squad didn't get
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: credit for the sack. I thought that the Ethan Day
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: one ended up being wiped off by a penalty. No,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: that one, if I'm not mistaken, in Colorado, it was
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: just called a minus whatever yard rush instead of a sack.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe we should be giving the defensive ends.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: So anyway, I'm bringing that up as I think you
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: can find things that the stat sheet says.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with you.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: You can find things that the stat sheet says that's
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: never happened or that's a really small number. that if
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: you really got in the weeds with it, you might
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: be able to find a few more.
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  Speaker 3: So the other thing to think about here, when I'm
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: saying which of these defensive line groups would you rather have?
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I'm taking the stats of Jai, Carson Kalfusi, Pupu Sepulona,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: and Lucas Samsula.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Mike Tauteoli has played in every single game, but your
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: defensive tackle rotation is the four names I already mentioned.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: All right. At BYU, it's slightly more convoluted, although still
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: pretty straightforward, because they have Towsili Akana, who is their
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: sack leader. He has lined up inside a couple of times,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: but that's very down-and-distance specific, so he's still a defensive end.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: And then when you look at the rest of it,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: for this BYU team, it's Keanu Tanuvasa and Justin Kirkland
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: and Kendall Wall, who is also a solid rotational defensive
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: lineman for him, for them, excuse me. Kendall Wall has
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: only played seven games. Justin Kirkland has only played seven games.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: So things get skewed a little bit when these guys
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: don't have as much time in the lineup. Wait until
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: we get to the running back comparison, the blind running
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: back comparison that we're going to do.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Because.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: You have to account for the fact that BYU has
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: been banged up at that position, and Utah has been
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: lucky enough, I knock on wood every time I mention injuries.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: To stay healthy this season so far.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: So it's been really fascinating to look at the numbers here.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: And BYU, even though they're kind of like matching Utah production-wise,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: they're doing so with a heavy influence from one individual player,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: And that is unfortunately a guy that should be suited
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: up for Utah and Keanu town of Vasa.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And they're doing, I need to bleep it. Every time
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you say that they're doing it, they're doing it with,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: with only two guys that have played all eight games.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: So if there's a composite 32 games for the Utah
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: defensive line to accumulate these stats, the numbers I'm drawing
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: from here are actually from.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: 30 games for BYU, right?
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: 30 combined 30 total games played by these guys.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: So you chose defensive line B and that might be
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the right choice here on paper. That might be the
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: right choice in actuality and in practicality. But again, I
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: go back to preseason expectations and what we thought this
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: defensive line was going to be. And it was one
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: of those things where all of us held our breath
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: and said, we have no clue. There was a lot
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: of people that felt very concerned about it and thought
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: it might be a downfall for Utah this year was
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: the lack of certainty and lack of perceived depth at
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: the defensive tackle position in particular. So, yeah, they have
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: wholly outperformed that expectation. And in another way, BYU has
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: outperformed their expectations because they've had to navigate more.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Injuries than Utah has. And yet, has still been more
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: productive in certain metrics. So that it's an interesting line comparison.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: 8 7 7.
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  Speaker 3: 3 5 3 0 700. If you want to weigh
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: in on the text line at real OC sports, if
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: you want to hit me up on Twitter, let's talk
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: These.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: So we.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Decided on two position groups that were areas of concern
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: or question for Utah heading into the season. Tight end
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: and defensive line. Tight end room for Utah on paper.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Edges out BYU. D-line on paper. Maybe interior D-line. Maybe
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: belongs advantage Cougs. But it's more of a push. But
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: it's very close to being a push.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: And considering offseason expectations, I mean, Utah's in a great
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: spot there. And to extend the conversation in a meaningful way,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: when it's not individual stats we're talking about, because your
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: defensive line, especially your interior defensive line, is heavily influential
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: on your overall run defensive performance. BYU ranks third in
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: the conference and is giving up an even 100 yards
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: per game. Utah is giving up 1.3 yards per game more.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: BYU has surrendered seven touchdowns on the season. Utah has
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: given up eight. BYU is surrendering 3.3 yards per rush.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Utah is giving up 3.6 yards per per rush.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: It's so, so even it's advantage BYU and all those metrics,
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: but it's basically a tie.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I went through and we'll talk about it all this week.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I went through the like team statistics and much like
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: with Houston, these teams rank very close in pretty much
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: every meaningful statistical category. And then I went through the
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: position rooms themselves and I said, all right, what about this?
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: What about this? It is eerily similar. That's why I
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: think it's fun to do a blind comparison because at
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: most positions, it's kind of hard to guess who is
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: who until you actually break it down and you start
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: talking about who's piling up the stats or whatever.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: It's been fun. I like doing it. We'll continue to
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: do it throughout the week. 877-353-0700.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Tell me how you feel. Tell me what you think.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiesa is going to join us. We'll talk about
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the glory that is intense rivalries. We'll talk about BYU
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: versus Ohio State. We'll talk about Utah rallying from down 17.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: And we'll talk about what in the bleep is wrong
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: with the Utah Jazz. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on
• 31:51
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• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Peace out.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiesa, our resident NBA guru, brought to you by
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: our friends at Aladdin Industries.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Gordy, how are things?
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: Sean, I'm doing well. Thank you.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: It is rivalry week here in Utah, as I know
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: you're acutely aware. Utah-BYU, top 10 matchup for the first
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: time in the history of this rivalry game. What is
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: your favorite rivalry in basketball, Gordy? Give me one in college,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: one in the NBA, if you don't mind.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: In college basketball, North Carolina versus Duke. They're only eight
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: miles apart. It's the most amazing thing. So picture right
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: now living in Utah and at BYU and the University
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: of Utah was eight miles apart. How crazy would it be?
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: If BYU was like.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: In Sugar House instead, that would be insane.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly, like going to the same restaurants on the street,
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: the same gas station, the same convenience store. That's how
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: crazy it is. And they're both unbelievable, great teams as
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: far as the last, since World War II. That's how
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: crazy it is. All right, so that's the one. And
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: the NBA, it's almost, it would be Boston versus the Lakers.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: The two teams with the most NBA championships, it's, you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: East Coast, West Coast mentality, et cetera. And those both
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: teams are deserving.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: When we're talking about coaching in a rivalry game that
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: has this much history, this much passion, we always throw
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: out the cliches. The records don't matter. And in this one,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: we've kind of seen it play out like that. Even
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: when one team on paper is a lot better than
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: the other, it ends up being a pretty close game.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Take me inside the mind of a coaching staff preparing
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: in a week like this and, of course, on game day.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: Don't overreact so much. The players are so anxiety. Don't
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: give them so much as far as the game plan.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Because a lot of times, you know, you overprepare because
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: all coaches do. But it doesn't matter how much the
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: coaches know or prepare. It's what the players can do
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: during the game. where they combine their athleticism with their
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: innateness as far as instincts within the team game. So
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: as a coach, you're preparing. You've got to be ready
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: for the unexpected, which is perfectly normal, but the players
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: have to calm their nerves down. Because think about it,
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: most of the players, if not all, or type A personalities,
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: and they want to do so well, especially in the
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: Utah-BYU football matchup. It's really historical. For the next hundred years,
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: they'll be mentioned who won this game and who really
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: was a standout. So you've got to give them less,
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: and from a coaching standpoint, expect things to happen. Most times,
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: usually speaking, Sean, the defense takes over. The defense is
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: so locked in to different things than any sport. Usually
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: you score out of chaos versus what? Out of rhythm.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: Because the defense is so unbelievable fierce, and you take
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: away your first, second, and third options most of the time.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Let's talk a little pro basketball, Gordy. The Utah Jazz
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: are 1-6 ahead. Last year, the year before, the year
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: before that, anytime you're in a slump, anytime things aren't
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: going the way of the team, I didn't have to ask, hey,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: what's wrong with this team? Because we kind of knew
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: what was wrong with the team. They weren't playing everybody.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Somebody was hurt. They're not actually putting a serious effort
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: into winning.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: That's not the case this year.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: And while they already have some injury issues that have
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: to be addressed, there's, there's more to what's going on
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: with this Utah jazz team. And I know the sample
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: size is still very small and there's plenty of basketball
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: left to play, but when you watch this team, what
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: is the first thing that needs to be addressed?
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: Their lack of ball movement. In other words, where the
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: Jazz have made a slight improvement defensively, and that's commendable.
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: Now they're still way behind, but they're trying much more.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: They've got improved technique. But when you don't shoot straight
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: in a game to start the season, that means that
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: the ball isn't popping on perimeter and that there's very
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: little cutting. So, for example, the Jazz right now are
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: 26th in the NBA as far as the worst shooting team.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: They're only shooting from the field 42.8 field goal percentage,
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: which puts them 26th. The only teams lesser than the
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: Jazz shooting as far as the ball are the Knickerbockers,
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: the Nets, the Bulls, and the Hornets. And by the way,
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: the number one shooting team in the NBA this year
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: are the Lakers. So Luka Doncic and Austin Reeves and
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: that crew, they're number one. So the thing that the
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: Jets have to do is shoot the ball better. All right,
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: it sounds so easy. How do you do it? By
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: the ball popping on perimeter, less dribbling, better screen reading
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: as far as when the screen's set to you, and
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: velocity cutting. That's how you score the ball. As I
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: always talk about it is that if the ball moves,
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: the scoreboard moves. If the ball sticks, the scoreboard sticks.
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: And that's an illustration of what's happening right now. Who
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: in particular, Sean, is the culprits right now? Even though, again,
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: it's unintended, but this is the reality, especially in pro sports.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: Larry Malkin is shooting from the field right now, from
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: three-point from the field and from three-point range. So I'm
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: going to combine both field goal percentage and three-point shooting.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: From the three-point line, Malkin is shooting 34.8. Can't be George, 34.9.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: a Spelly from three 27.8 and Steve, a high look 26.1.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: And so that's shows you where the jazz are. They've
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: got to make, make open shots. How do you do
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: it by player and bold movement?
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Gordie Chase is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Talking all things basketball, even during the football rivalry week,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: you were in.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: The Delta center last night. Is that correct? Watching BYU
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: versus Ohio state.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: What a game. Absolutely. Two heavyweights, really. They're both going
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: to the NCAA tournament, so it's really a good game.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: Iowa State, it was their first opening season loss in
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: 21 years, which tells you also a lot of times
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: they played a lesser team in the first game of
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: the year. And I give them credit. Coming to Salt
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: Lake City, the Delta Center, and playing. And long-term, it's
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: a good benefit for them. BYU played good. Very much.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: They couldn't make a shot to start the game. Again,
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: just like the Jazz do sometimes, they over-dribbled, and they
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: couldn't make a shot. In the second half, they corrected
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: it at halftime. In the second half, they played absolutely great.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: And Rob Wright was tremendous, 33 points. And the young
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: fellow that should be Sean from BYU, his name is
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: Bruce Branch. He's out of Gilbert, Arizona. He's a 6'7,
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: small forward. He's ultra-talented. Not A.J.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: DeBonce.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: Ability, but he'll be in the draft. I'm just guessing
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: right now. I know it's only the first game, but
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: with the players that I know that are coming back
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: in the draft, he'll probably be picked in the lottery,
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: or located in the lottery, so it's good. So BYU
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: had a night, a terrific win against good competition, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: they'll be a contender as far as in the Big 12.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: You just mentioned A.J.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: DeBonsa, and obviously he's trying to do his thing in
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: the NBA right now. We talked about the role that
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: he played for BYU all of last year, and they
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: had an injury problem.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Richie Saunders wasn't healthy most of the year.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: When a player of that caliber leaves the roster, there's
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: a massive hole to fill in. But it also changes
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: things and makes it maybe more of a team game,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: at least from my uneducated perspective.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Is there anything to.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: That, Gordy, where like, yeah, you never want to lose
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: a player as talented as A.J. DeBonsa, but in some
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: ways it might even be easier to coach everyone else
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: around him?
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: With that said, it's based on the personality of the
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: guys returning. So Rob Wright, for example, he's a Baylor transfer.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: He played last year. His first year was BYU. Now
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: it's his second year. He's maturing. And what he did
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: last night was drive the ball. So he passed the
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: ball in the paint. He got his teammates involved, and
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: he scored the ball. So he'd be a classic example
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: of a guy. As the years go on in your
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: college career and or your NBA professional career, Usually speaking,
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: the game slows down for you. So it's much more team-orientated.
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: But you need talent to score the ball. And that's
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: what BYU has. And all the other Division I teams
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: that are going to go to March Madness and just
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: in the big picture, NBA playoff teams, you have to
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: have talent. and defensive-minded players, and you play as a unit.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: That's what I call sharing and caring. And last night, Sean,
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: that was the San Antonio Spurs. They had seven guys
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: and balanced scoring as far as scoring 10 points or more,
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: double digits, and they really shared the ball unbelievable, and
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: there was no discrepancy as far as who's taking shots.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: And the Jazz were knocked out in the second half,
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: especially in the third quarter. But the Spurs are very good,
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: and they're combining the best of both worlds, toughness, talent,
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: and a go-to player in Victor Rambionda.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: The running youth started their season last night as well
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: against Long Beach State. They had to rally from down 17.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: And look, you never want to dig yourself that big
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: of a hole. But what do you learn about your
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: team when they're able to fight back from a big
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: time double digit deficit like that?
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, very much so. Again, in Utah basketball, meaning the Utes,
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: that was a good win. You could have caved in.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: You did, and you fought back. So it gives the
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: players a chance to see what they could do when
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: they're all playing on the same cycle, meaning what? Offense
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: to defense, defense to offense. And that was a good win. Now,
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: Long Beach State is a team that has good talent level,
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: and the Utes are trying to find themselves, and they
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: got it done. So they're 1-0 up. which means that
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: in practice today, Sean, in the film sessions, you know, well,
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: you know, for the listeners right now, this is dreadful
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: thing called film sessions. It's both good, bad, and the ugly.
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: And so they're able to correct mistakes in a much
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: more positive way versus what we doing wrong here. And
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: that's always say that, uh, that's why winning is so important.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: You can correct mistakes with a player's open-minded about it
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: versus being a steel trap. As far as my youth
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: right now, they play, uh, Townsend State on Thursday night
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: at the Hudson Center. Sean, it's a question to you, Sean.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: Where is Townsend State University? Do you know what state
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: it's in?
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Where is Townsend State? Alabama.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: Sean, you being a citizen of the world and the USA.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know that one. Where is it?
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: All right, Sean. Townsend, Maryland.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Ah, okay.
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: Right into D.C., Baltimore, Beltway.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Doc the Tiger is their mascot.
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: Hey, Sean, you know all about Australia. You know about
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: the Baltic states. You live in France sometimes. You're always
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: in Belgium all the time doing stuff. You're always in
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: Canada doing stuff.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: And I don't even know my own country. Sad.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: That's right. Well, again, my sole purpose in life, Sean,
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: is to educate you and James Peterson. That's my mission
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: in life.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. All right. Towson State
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: Gordie, you're the man.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: What's the list?
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: One more thing about the NBA. Shakers, Alexander. The Thunder,
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: they are absolutely hurt. There's no, again, the Jazz are
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: hurt also. But the better teams overcome this. And that's
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: what the Jazz have to try to do. Overcome what
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: we're missing right now. Yusuf Nurkic. And Jaron Jackson. All right,
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: let's go forward to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Shea Joseph Alexander,
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: the two-time MVP. His teammates, they're hurting as far as,
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: you know, these bodies they're missing. These guys are elite players.
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: But last night on the road in Cleveland, he scores
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: 42 points, and it's how he got them. And it
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: was a tremendous win for them. I'm sorry, got 43
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: points and eight dimes. He took 35 shots in the game, Sean.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: He refused to lose. He kept on going to the
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: foul line, and he had a nice win, the thunder
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: over the Cavaliers on the road, and he delivered for
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: his team. Because the Thunder right now, they're 5-2, and
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: in their world, there's no excuse. Whoever's on the floor
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: right now, we expect you to play well, and that's
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: including Sean. The young rookie... from University of Michigan, the
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: big guy, the Thunder playing without Chet Holmgren. So now
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: this guy's playing a lot. They start Isaiah Hartenstein, who
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: got 14 boards last night, including seven offensive rebounds. But
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: Adai Mare, University of Michigan, he's a young Spanish guy.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: He came in the game, and he battled in the
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: lane against the Cavaliers. Ten points, nine boards in one block.
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: And that's how you win, where the other guys contribute,
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: even though you're undermanned.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Do you have a list today, Gordy?
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: Sean, this list today, Sean, I'm thinking about you.
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: Yes, you.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: All right, okay.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: The top ten NBA leaders in most technical fouls accumulated.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something that would apply directly to me, yeah.
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: Sean, just saying. Here we go. Common traits. One, physical. Two, emotional. Three, skilled. Four, competitive.
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: And five, longevity. Here we go. Just top ten. Top
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: ten Korea technical fouls. Number ten all time. Kevin Garnett,
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: played 21 years in the Hall of Fame, 172 technical fouls.
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: Number nine, all-time. Dwight Howard, 18 years in the NBA,
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: Hall of Famer, 178 technical fouls. Number eight, Anthony Mason,
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: 13 years in the NBA, 192. Number seven, Dirk Nowitzki,
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: 21 years in the NBA, Hall of Fame inductee, 199
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: technical fouls. Tied for fifth. Dennis Rodman and Russell Westbrook.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: Dennis Rodman, 14 years in the NBA, Hall of Famer.
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: Russell Westbrook just retired recently, 18 years, future Hall of Famer.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: They accumulated 212 technical fouls, number four all time. Nickname
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: was the glove, Gary Payton, 17 years, Hall of Famer,
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: doing the 50. All right, top three. Rasheed Wallace, 16
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: years in the NBA, 317 career technical fouls. What makes
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: it so interesting, Sean, he set the single record of
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: the most ever technical fouls in a season back in
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: 2000 and 2001 campaign. We registered 41 technical fouls for
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: the Portland Trailblazers, and I saw many of them. Number
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: two all-time, Charles Barkley. and the NBA 16 years Hall
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: of Fame, 229 technical fouls, and the number one player
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: in the history of NBA basketball for the most technical fouls,
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: remember the criteria, Sean, is Karl Malone, 19 years in
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: the NBA Hall of Famer, 332 technical fouls. So, Sean,
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: I saw most of those technical fouls, and also a
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: quick jazz side note, Jerry Sloan, also had the most
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: technical fouls as a coach. So, Sean, I've seen the
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: most probably, myself and Phil Johnson, the other Jazz assistant coach,
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: we've seen the most ever technical fouls in the history
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: of basketball. Seen it, lived it, and also tried to
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: stop many of them.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Gordy, you have witnessed more technical fouls than anyone on earth.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: And, Sean, here's the other extreme, though. Mike Conley, former
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: Jazz point guard, has never been assessed a game technical information.
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: in his whole 20-year career, which includes 1,227 games and 37,595
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: floor minutes, no technical foul. So, Sean, one.
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: People have technical fouls, and Mike Conley had never committed
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: a technical foul.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: He did have one that was rescinded, right?
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: Correct. That's right. One was rescinded the next day. Yes,
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: he did. So it just shows you. So here's the
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: question in every sport. How can I play with emotion
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: but not be emotional? That's the catch word. How can
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: I perform as an athlete with emotion but but not
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: be emotional. And that's, you've got to try to master it.
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: And these guys, they, even though these guys, I mentioned purposely,
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: many hall of famers have technical fouls because there's so
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: much pressure on them to help their team win. And
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: they're all physical and they respond a lot of times
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: with what physicality thrown elbows, et cetera, et cetera. Wolfing
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: up the guy trying to guard them. And that makes
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: it so interesting, especially in playoff games.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: That's absolutely insane. Zero technical fouls. Love it.
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Gordy, great list as usual. Appreciate your time today. Thank you,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: my friend.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: Thanks, Sean. Peace out. Stay well.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Gordy Chiesa, best in the business.
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  Speaker 3: stat comparisons happening now. I'm going to sneak this one
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  Speaker 1: Short segment, so to speak. Defensive end production.
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  Speaker 3: Which defensive end room would you rather have in the
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  Speaker 3: blind stat comparison? And unfortunately, this one is going to
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  Speaker 3: be way too easy for people to guess. 67 tackles,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: four and a half tackles for loss, zero sacks, five
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  Speaker 3: passes defended. 60 tackles, 10 tackles for loss, four and
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: a half sacks, two passes defended. I think everyone's probably
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: going to take B. B, of course, unfortunately, is BYU.
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  Speaker 3: A major part of the Utah defensive narrative has been
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: their inability to finish.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: On the pass rush.
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  Speaker 3: I am fully acknowledging as I make this comparison that
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: there is no pressure. There's no QB hits here. This
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: is just sacks, tackles, and passes defended. Utah has been
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: better at batting passes down. Those all by the way,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: go into havoc rate plays. So, you know, the tackles
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: for loss disparity from the defensive end position might be
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: a concern. Give credit to Utah's defensive ends though, because
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: they have been good against the run for the most
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: part this year. And sometimes you can't have it all.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: You want more pass rush. I'm not letting anyone off
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: the hook here. But at the end of the day,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: they are a cog in the machine, so to speak,
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: and they are good enough right now for Utah to
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: have one of the top defenses in the Big 12 Conference.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: And I think most importantly for Rivalry Week, a defense
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: that when you watch them play, you feel like they're
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: going to be able to match up all right with BYU,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: that it's not going to be some, like, let's hide
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: all of our weaknesses and create some kind of smoke
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: and mirrors thing so that they don't run up a
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: bunch of points. I think it's going to be a
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: great matchup all around the defensive end comparison. The blind
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: stack comparison does favor BYU though.
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  Speaker 5: .
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: have
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: been productive enough in different ways to help Utah get
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: to an eight, no record and be number three team
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: in the country.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: So you got to feel like they'll figure it out.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: If the Holy war is another game where they don't
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: get another sack, but hopefully we see the first sack
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: of the year, at least.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: On Saturday, Utah's defensive ends. Also one of those, one
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: of those passes defended was an interception.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: So that, okay.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Hunter Clegg has an interception for them, which is good.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: It's a good stat to have if you're talking about
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: being a defensive player. Okay, so we've done some stat
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: comparisons today, blind stat comparisons. Tight end room, advantage Utah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Interior D-line, kind of a push. Very slight edge to
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: BYU maybe. Defensive end room, advantage BYU. Right now they're
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: up 2-1 on the scorecard. We'll have to see where
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: it plays out as the show progresses.
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  Speaker 5: Don't think I know what you're, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 5: You don't want me to talk about our, give me that.
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  Speaker 5: My rec league team's big. I was going to throw
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  Speaker 3: Emotional hangover game potential after your massive comeback, James.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I just need to say this. We can't be like
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  Speaker 3: All right. We have heard professional athletes who have some
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  Speaker 3: how he spends a million dollars a year to keep
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  Speaker 3: his body in shape. I don't think that's all luxury.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's obviously a certain amount of function to that.
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  Speaker 3: personal favorite story about extravagant personal expenditures was when Mike
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  Speaker 3: Tyson was in his prime and he was renting tigers
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  Speaker 3: to sleep with.
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  Speaker 1: Did not hear this story. To just take naps with.
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  Speaker 1: He would... He would call Doc Antle.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he would basically get exotic animal handlers to bring
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  Speaker 3: him white tigers and all that kind of stuff just
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  Speaker 5: You just know that one of the Tiger King people,
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  Speaker 5: Doc Antle most likely, was involved in that as well.
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  Speaker 5: You just know it. Now that we know that world from...
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Netflix, for Tiger King. That's where your mind
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: goes every time.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: Whether it was doc Antle or Joe exotic or somebody else,
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson during, I mean, he was spending thousands upon
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: thousands upon thousands.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Well, Jalen Brown, apparently.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: He did like an MTV cribs kind of thing, showed
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: off his penthouse on top of some illustrious building in Philadelphia.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: And in this video, he introduces you to his personal harpist.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: He has someone who sits in his apartment and plays harp.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Just tickling the strings.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Now, of course, he did that for the video. Apparently,
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: he does it like every week. He has someone come
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: in and play harp. My question is, why in the
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: bleep would you ever do this? If you're hosting a party.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: You're doing this kind of a video for social media, entertaining.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: You're having a dinner or something like that. If you,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: and you feel a need to do this, Jalen can
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: afford it, right? He's not hurting his bottom line, but
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: why would you want somebody, a stranger to, In your house,
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: playing the harp in any weird corner of this gigantic apartment,
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: why would you want this? No matter how much you
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: love harp music, you're just having someone sitting in your house.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: What happens if you got a fart? You're in the
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: privacy of your own home.
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: The obvious first question you have in this scenario.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: What if, you know, when you turn on music... You're
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: at home.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: You're like, I'm going to listen to this music. I'm
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: going to listen to this podcast. And you get four
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: minutes in and you're just like, ugh. I actually don't
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: want to listen to this. Change the song. Change the podcast.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: It's not like you could be like, hey, will you
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: pick up an electric guitar instead? Although I'm sure she
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: probably could play both, but.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's like... Maybe he's like, I always want to
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: hear harp music. It's just a different... Just do a
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: different song for me, please, okay?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: This one.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: I understand why Mike Tyson wanted to pet tigers. I
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: don't understand at all why someone would want a harpist.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Guess what happens if the tiger is in your house,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: you can still do all the stuff you were going
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: You want to walk around naked. The tiger doesn't care.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: They won't. They're not offended by you farting. Yeah. You
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: might be offended by their farts.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: You want to leave the door open while you're in
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: the bathroom. It's totally fine. A tiger is not going
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: to be like, what are you doing? A harpist is
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: going to be like, sir, I now have to call
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: the police.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: I am here, by the way. This is weird. No,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: it's in the contract that he can't say anything. He
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: or she can't say anything about anything that Jalen Brown does.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: You just have to sit there and play the harp.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: Jalen Brown, you got to explain this to me. Why
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: do you want a harpist? Can I say this?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: it sounds like the most pretentious thing ever too, by
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: the way. And it's completely on brand for Jalen Brown.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: Jalen Brown is a great basketball player. I love watching
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: him play basketball, but there are times when I'm like you,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: I understand why you and Jason, why Jason Tatum kind
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: of doesn't like you like that. You are obnoxiously pretentious
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: and just annoying and trying to one up all the
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: time when you're clearly one B to Jason Tatum, right?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: Like it's a, Good luck being that guy's teammate. It
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: might work out for one year at a time, but
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: it's this kind of stuff that I, that's gotta be
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: the kind of stuff that's gotten on Jason Tatum's nerves.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Over the years.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: So the Philadelphia 76ers have a guy who lives in
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: New York city and flies a helicopter to work.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: That's LeBron James. And they have one of their other
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: best players. Who's got a personal harpist.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How do you relate to that? I will say this.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: My wife's going to get mad if she listens to
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: this segment of the show.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: So occasionally when you got like three small kids and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: busy schedule or whatever, occasionally the cleaning, the house gets
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: away from you a little bit.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: And so it happens when you have less than three kids.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: What am I?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: What are my lovely wife's indulgences in life is that
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: she will on occasion be like, Hey, I'm paying a
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: cleaner to come in and, and tackle this gigantic problem.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Mess that has gotten out of hand.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's that kind of money. You got OC, which
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: surprisingly affordable. Don't let her hear that part. But like,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: that's one of those things. And when, whenever that happens, James,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: it's just a stranger in your house. And I'm like,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: why are you here? Get out of my house. I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: don't want you here. And they're doing a service that's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: being paid for. You say, do you say something like that?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: No, no, never. Okay. It's just, that's how I feel.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I'm like, well, since you're here,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to leave. Okay. So you, that's how I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: would feel about the harpist.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I think the only thing here.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: I could stomach would be a personal chef, but I'd
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: like to cook also. So I'm like, I probably would
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: be like maybe once a week.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: Your hyper frugality gets in the way of all of
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: these things, by the way. So like, even if you
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: could stomach having a stranger in your house, you couldn't
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: stomach paying for that stranger.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Certainly not for a harpist. I'll tell you that.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Or if I was like, okay, I'm going to, I'm
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: going to have a maid. If I'm Jalen Brown, I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: got that kind of money. I'm not cleaning my own
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: house probably, but I'm like, look, you can only come
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: when I am gone.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: If I ever see you, you're fired. Your wife goes.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: Got fired.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Just keep going. Go ahead. Go somewhere else. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Just go downstairs. Oh man.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: So anyway, Jalen Brown extravagance, Utah women's basketball tips off
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: their season versus Eastern Washington tonight at the Huntsman center,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: five 45 tip six on 92, five, the.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Beat or sister station pregame five 45. Oh, sorry. Five
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: 45 at pregame.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: Six o'clock tip. Spencer McLaughlin, former T bird is first broadcast.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: Tickets are on sale at Utah tickets.com. I already mentioned
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: this on the show, but good to reiterate the running
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: Utes rallied back from down 17 against long beach state.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: I know you never want to be down 17 to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: long beach state, but Trey Campbell had 20 points and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: running Utes one and oh baby, let's go grass to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: Alex Jensen and his squad. Next game is Thursday versus Towson,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: which we learned today. is the Tigers, and they're from Maryland.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: Towson, Maryland, in fact. It's the name of the town
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: as well. So shout out to Towson.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: All of our Washington, D.C. slash Maryland listeners. We're big
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: in that area. The DMV people.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scali coaches show tonight at 6 o'clock right here
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: on your Home of the Utes. It will be Scooby
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: Davis and Hunter Andrews, defensive player of the week in
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: the conference, by the way.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Let's go. Scooby Davis. breakout player of the week, perhaps
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: for Utah Hunter Andrews.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he got some sort of internal award for
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: having the game that he had Hunter Andrews with a
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: big monster performance, helping Utah beat Cincinnati on the road.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: So that's at six o'clock.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: And interestingly enough, Morgan Scali will probably be asked about
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: the college football playoff rankings.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: We'll know Utah and BYU's official rankings.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: Because that'll be 5 o'clock. The AP rankings, after 5 p.m. tonight,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: will probably never be referenced again. Because they don't matter.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Completely obsolete.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: So, PSA again, especially this time of year, they're still
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: going to come out Sundays around noon, our time. When
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: you see them come out on Twitter, don't be the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: person this time of year that complains about, why was
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: Utah so low? Or if you're a BYU fan, disrespect!
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: Those rankings are just trivia at this point. It's the
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: CFP that if you're going to get up in arms
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: about rankings, those are the ones you need to be
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: up in arms about.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: This one's kind of big because we have these sliding
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: doors moments in sports, in life, everything. Oklahoma has fired
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Ben Arbuckle. their offensive coordinator who came from Washington state.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: There was a time when all of us here in
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: salt Lake city felt like Utah was, and I I'm
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: laughing at myself for probably being in this boat felt
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: like settling for, I throw up the air quotes cause
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: we don't have our YouTube live right now, settling for
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: Jason Beck and Devin Dampier instead of getting Arbuckle and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: John Mateer. That was the coordinator quarterback duo that everybody
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: in the country that needed to get that. Everybody wanted
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: those two, right? It was like, oh my gosh, it's
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: a foolproof plan. If you can bring in Arbuckle and Mateer,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: you're off and running. Utah did not get those two.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: They got the upgrade from New Mexico to Utah instead.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: And that Tim McGraw song, Some of God's greatest gifts
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: are unanswered prayers.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: It's close. Garth Brooks. Garth Brooks. I always make that mistake. Sorry, Garth.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Don't kill me on your next tour, please. When you
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: come back.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: When you come back. Please don't murder me because I
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: believe in that conspiracy theory. A lot of people were like, man,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: wish we would have got Arbuckle. Man, wish we would
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: have got Mateer. Mateer, not good.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Should we, is his real name mid tier? Arbuckle fired.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: And now Beck has moved on and we're team Mac
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: G now, but in both cases, the offensive coordinator going
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: to the new school was massively influential in having the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: quarterback go to the new school. I cannot imagine where
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: this Utah football team would be at if last year
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: or this year without number four. I shudder to even think. Now,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: maybe Bird Ficklin is a lot further along in his development,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: and we're talking about, you know, they have a good
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: year last year with a true freshman and a really
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: solid year with him as the full-time starter this year,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: but I still shudder to think because he ain't undefeated
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: without Devin.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: Who would have thought that Utah got the best player
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: slash coach from Washington state in way. Sean Parker, when,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: when at exactly right.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: That's another great time.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: It was the same time when it was like, Hey, yeah,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: we'll take Marta Mark onto WIAA and way Sean Parker instead.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: I forgot Marky Ottawa was at Washington state too. So we,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: Utah did get the better coach and the, if you go.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Back to that, what was 2024 cycle. And it's like,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: you're doing a draft. It's like December, 2024. We'll take
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: our buckle and mature.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: It's Salt Lake city. We're going to take Parker and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: we're going to take out to why everyone in college
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: football would have been like, look what these idiots just did.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: And Look at this. Look at the way that it
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: has worked out. That's the two years later.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Holy cow.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Lucky, fortunate, or just a hyper-intelligent move by the now
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: departed Kyle.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: Whittingham that Morgan Scali was involved in. We, we learned
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: that later. He was heavily involved in, in the hiring
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: of Jason Beck. He was in that room, if you will.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: So we've got to give Morgan some credit.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Talking about this. Just honestly, I'm not joking. It's given
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: me like a weird feeling in my chest. Like This
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: job would be very different. It really would.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: If we were sitting here just like, you got to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: get rid of our buckle. I'm going Oklahoma. Cause that's
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: how they talk.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: Our buckle stinks. You got to fire him. Go do
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: it sooner rather than later.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: I see what you did. Guess who will be calling
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: plays for Oklahoma. Guess who the interim offensive coordinator is.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Jason Whitten.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: Aha.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Cowboys legend.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Former cowboy, Jason Whitten. See in the hall of fame yet.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Pro football.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: Maybe he certainly will. He's been talked about as a
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: shoe in since he retired.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Big name.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: Not a very experienced coach yet, but we'll see how
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: that works out for Oklahoma. So mid tier, John mid tier.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: Dodged a bullet there and way Sean and not to
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: why over, over our buckle of material who knew no
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: one would have, no one would have guessed that. basically
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: two years ago when, when all that was going on
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: our buckle up sooner as Jason Whitten is now calling.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't work. I thought it was, I thought
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: it was great.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: I next time we have bowler on, we need to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: tell him, we need him to have him say our
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: buckle up.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Most of you out there listening probably have an ex-boyfriend
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: or girlfriend that you almost settled down with, right? That's
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: this that's material in our buckle. Where you're just like, whew,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: dodged that bullet.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: Yikes.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: You care to say who yours is? I think. First
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: and last name. I actually think I am that person. Oh,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: you are that person to somebody. I think that most
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: people are just like, yeah, that was you, bud. To
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: multiple somebodies, maybe?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: If you can't identify who that was in your life,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: it just means you were that person in somebody else's life.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a professor, like an intro to sociology class.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: I had a professor who said, Every friend group has
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: an idiot. And he's like, particularly with boys, every friend
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: group has an idiot. And if you don't remember who your,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: who the idiot was in your high school friend group,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: it was you.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: It was you. And I had, I was like, oh
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: my gosh, it was me. You're like, dang it.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: That's, that's what this is.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: It's like the, the guy or the gal that you
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: were real serious about and you thought you wanted to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: be with forever. And then you like run into him
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: at the grocery store six years later.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: You're like, what happened to your teeth? And you're singing
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: God's Greatest Kiss. Why are you wearing handcuffs? What's going
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: on here?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: We've come full circle to what that song is actually about.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: What we've done here. 100%. That's what we do here.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Good luck to Oklahoma. We'll take a quick one here.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: Lots left to get to. Jeff Schwartz in our number three.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Austin Colley also at 130. So if you have to
• 1:13:12
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• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: I'm fine with that.
• 1:13:16
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  Speaker 1: There's some really, really interesting matchups. Some really, really interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Comparisons when you get into this BYU team versus this
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Utah football team.
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  Speaker 1: Holy War Week.
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  Speaker 3: I put a couple of them up on Twitter already.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're going position room by position room here.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: We're evaluating the Utah versus BYU matchup. It is Holy
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: War week. You've got college football playoff committee meeting tonight.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to be talking about both of these teams.
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  Speaker 3: Mark Harlan is there, obviously. It's going to be a really,
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  Speaker 3: really fascinating 5 o'clock show. Spence, I'm sure, will be
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  Speaker 3: reacting to it. We're going position by position. We did
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: the tight ends. We did the interior D-line. We did
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: the lowest hanging fruit. The easiest to compare, I think,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: is the defensive ends room. BYU's defensive ends have just
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: been more productive. So they get a point there. To
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  Speaker 3: this point, it is... Two votes for BYU, their interior
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  Speaker 3: defensive line and their defensive end.
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  Speaker 5: So their whole front four, really. So the defensive line
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: advantage BYU.
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  Speaker 3: The entirety of the defensive line advantage BYU. Although I
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: think that it's important to acknowledge that the preseason expectation
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: as to how large that disparity might end up being
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: has been defied by Jai Moya and Carson Kalfusi mostly.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: with some credit given to Sam Sula and Pupu Cepulona,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: but it's really been Jai and Carson that have held
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: it down for Utah on the interior defensive line and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: made that almost a push.
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  Speaker 1: But look, we're going to be fair.
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  Speaker 3: Even here on the home of the Utes, BYU's interior
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: D line has been slightly more productive. And I, you
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: gotta be fair because Keanu Tanuvasa has been massively important there.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: Now he's not this like dominant all conference force that
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of us thought he might grow into being
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: when we got later in his career, but he's, he's
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: really adept at affecting plays in big moments, especially past plays.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: When he can't get to the quarterback, he's batted down
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: five balls this year.
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  Speaker 1: He also got a.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: Really boneheaded penalty that hurt the team against UCF could
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: have cost them the game right there.
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  Speaker 5: But anyway, I mean, what could have been Keanu? Maybe
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: if you stayed in Salt Lake city, you could have.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: been the all conference dominant guy, but, but you're doing
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: pretty good where you.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Are tight end room.
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  Speaker 3: We gave the advantage to tight end room a, which
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: turns out was Utah's tight end room because of their
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: massive advantage in touchdown scored. I mean, that's obviously going
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: to be one of the most important it's basically even
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: in the catches and, and yards, but obviously advantage touchdowns
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: and like scoreboard.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: So, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So now let's talk linebackers because I know I said
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: on the air a couple of times this year that
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: BYU might have the best linebacker room in the big
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: 12 conference. They got the jewel of the defensive transfer
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: portal class in KDU Luave.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Former mountain Ridge guy who went to Cal and now
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: is back at BYU. A better version of Isaiah Glasker
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: than what they saw last year was always going to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: be a big thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You lose Jack Kelly.
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  Speaker 3: That's a massive loss, but I thought you kind of
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: like washed it out with Katie Luave coming in. I
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: know that I said, I think BYU is going to
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: have a pretty big advantage here when it comes to
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: the linebacker room. And for Utah, this was another one
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: of those things where I think we said, you know what?
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: I'm comfortable with the linebackers that Utah's got. I don't
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: know that it'll be like a massive strength on this team.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: It's certainly not going to be a weakness on this team.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: All of us like John who hall the converted safety.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: He's done well there. He actually shocked me when he
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: said he was a captain for the first time. at
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: this university of Utah summer program. And they were like, yeah,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: we want to make you a captain. He's like, I've
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: never been a captain before. That kind of blew my mind.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: I don't even know how you make it to college football.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: If you were never a team captain.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: At the lower levels, always played on great teams.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: What can he say?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: We had, you know, Trey Reynolds is a guy that
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: look as a special team or he looked awesome as
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: a backup.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: He looked awesome.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: His trajectory is following Cody Barton's trajectory very closely where
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: you don't think about him all that much, but he's
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: solid in special teams. And then he keeps working and
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: you're like, okay, look at that's a reliable backup. When
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: somebody's banged up with somebody's hurt, when somebody twists an ankle,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: this kids can be pretty reliable. And now he is
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: a team captain and he is your leading tackler. He's
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: continuing to develop and leap forward. So, uh, I don't
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: know that we anticipated Utah's linebacker room would be as
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: strong as BYU's linebacker room, but.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Here's the comparison linebacker room.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: A 121 tackles, eight and a half tackles for loss,
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  Speaker 3: five sacks, seven passes defended one interception linebacker room B
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: 151 tackles, 11 and a half tackles for loss, five sacks,
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  Speaker 3: 11 passes defended one interception.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: Room a or room B, which one you take it.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: Both teams with just one pick. What was the total
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: tackles for roommate again? One 21 for.
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  Speaker 1: B it was one 51.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: One 21, eight and a half, five sacks, seven passes
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: defended one interception. So linebacker room a does not have
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: a single category where they beat linebacker room B.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: They tie on sacks and on interceptions, but linebacker room
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: B has 30 more total tackles, three more tackles for loss,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: four more passes defended.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta go with B. You gotta go
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: with B, right?
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: So who's a, who's B.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, am I, Am I discovering a trick to
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: the test here where a is always Utah and B
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: is always BYU.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Who's a who's B James. I'm going to say B
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: is BYU again. Incorrect. Ah, you switched it up, switched
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: it up. You can't Mark C every time kids. You can't,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: you can't.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: Sometimes the test maker realizes they've established a pattern linebacker
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: room B is the university of Utah linebacker room.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: And when you taught, I just talked about kind of
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: the starters, the, the featured players in these rooms. I
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: think for me, the big difference, the big disparity here
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: comes from the depth of Utah's linebacker room because Elijah
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: Ellis and Cyrus Polo are actually from a havoc play
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: type perspective, from a sacks and tackles for loss perspective,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: they are more disruptive than the starters for the university
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: of Utah. They're also more disruptive than BYU starters equally
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: disruptive to Cade Uluwabe more disruptive than Isaiah Glasker.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Glasker. Is it just the one game that he's missed?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Or has he missed more than one? He's missed two games.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: He's missed two games. So you got to take that
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: into account. You do have to take it into account.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: And this is unfortunately something that it kind of like
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: shows itself with this BYU. So to be fair, though,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: like Isaiah Glasker missing two games does not account for
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: a 30 tackle disparity in this room.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, that clearly says that Utah has better depth
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: than BYU does.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: With respect to Jake Clifton. and see Ale Sarah, who
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: he's missed two games as well. And he's really good.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: He's unfortunately the injury has kept him from being productive.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: So in all the cases on this, I didn't account
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: for every single player in that room. I I'm taking
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: with the linebackers, the foremost productive linebackers for both teams
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: and the foremost productive linebackers for BYU. have not been, it's,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: I would have told you, I would have bet a
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: million dollars heading into the year that Ciali Acera would
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: be one of their four top linebackers.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: He's not.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: It's Miles Hall, who, did any of you know Miles
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: Hall's name before I just mentioned it right now?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: I did not.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: Miles Hall has 19 total tackles, one and a half
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: tackles for loss and a sack for BYU this year.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: He's also defended two passes.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Decent. Solid. Yeah. Right. Katie, the Wabae is kind of
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: the standout superstar. Yeah.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: 52 total tackles, four and a half tackles for loss,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: a sack and a half.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: He's also got an interception.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: He has the loan interception for BYU's linebacker room.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: So he, he matches up with what Utah is bringing
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: to the table.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: And he actually, he actually outpaces the leading tackler for Utah,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: Trey Reynolds in every important category.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: So, so he exceeds it.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: They're more dependent on Cato Luave's production to even keep
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: them in this conversation, partially because of the injury to
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: Isaiah Glasker, who is on the wrong side of a
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: very hilarious highlight from the weekend.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Did you see that? I, I missed it.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: I was, I wasn't able to pay that close attention
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: to the BYU game going head to head with you.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: So, and it's kind of unfortunate for him because I
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: think He started to let up when the Arizona state
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: quarterback he's, he's scrambling and he's coming up the sideline
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: and he steps out of bounds, but just barely steps
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: out of bounds. And he doesn't realize he steps out
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: of bounds. He doesn't like run out of bounds.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: So he keeps going. He keeps going.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: And he just trucks Isaiah Glasker like four steps later.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: And I think Glasker was probably erring on the side
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: of caution and starting to let up a little bit.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: but it is, it is a bad, I mean, he
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: got by a small quarterback, he got lit up and
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: the highlight doesn't give you any context. So the linebacker
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: room for the university of Utah.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Hold on.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: I do remember this from the, I didn't realize it
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: was Glasker that got lit up, but yes, that was
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: That was a crazy play.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Unfortunate play for Isaiah. Let's see. Cade on the text line.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: Our tackle is similar to an interception stat that shouldn't
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: matter as much if your defense isn't on the field
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: much due to playing so well.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: You have less opportunities for tackles, right?
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: Probably not to the degree of interceptions, but just food
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: for thought.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: I'd like to know your thoughts. Well, first of all, I.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Don't know why you're saying interception interceptions or stats that
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: don't matter very much. Interceptions are one of the most
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: consequential stats that a defense can produce.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Turnovers matter period.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're saying that there are some interceptions
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: that don't matter in a game because they're kind of
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: throw away, they happen in garbage time, a hundred percent.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: But interceptions are a massive, massive stat as our fumbles recovered,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: forced fumbles and things like that. And by the way,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: I should have probably put this in as a stat
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: for the D line and the linebackers, but you want
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: to hear something really crazy. And this might be, I'm
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: using a sports reference.com because I have found them to
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: be the most comprehensive and reliable of the stat keeping
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: neither BYU nor Utah credits a linebacker with a.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Force fumble or a fumble recovery. Oh really? Isn't that wild?
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: That position is usually like in the mix for all
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: that business.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: It's like either D lineman. or a linebacker for those things.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: So your blind comparison.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: Now, I think if we're being accurate here, you've got
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: two positional advantages for BYU, two positional advantages for the
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: university of Utah. As we go down the list, tight
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: end favors Utah. Linebacker favors Utah. The full defensive front,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: D-tackle and D-ends favoring BYU slightly. Part of the reason
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: I wanted to go through this exercise on the air, though,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: is that even if you crown Utah in every single situation,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's important as you're casting these votes to
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: look at it and realize how closely comparable these two
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: teams are. And you do have to give some thought
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: to the idea that Utah has played one ranked opponent
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: in Houston, who is also, by the way, very similar
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: to Utah in a lot of statistical categories. I didn't
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: go position room by position room with Houston, but it
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: was two brothers battling it out, right? It's like twins
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: fighting over something. BYU and Utah even more so as
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: we get into the details of this. Like, does the
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: linebacker stat line look a lot closer if Isaiah Glasker
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: hasn't missed two games?
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Yes. If Cialia Serra hasn't missed two games? Yes, also. Right?
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: So, the same thing with the D-tackle room. BYU, we
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: gave them the very slight edge in that one. Would
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: they pull away a little bit further if they hadn't
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: been so bit by the injury bug?
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's some big ones. There's some BYU fans
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: weighing in on the conversation online in the comments, so
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: to speak, on Twitter, pointing out that the one touchdown
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: caught by the BYU tight end room happened to be
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: the game-winning touchdown against Notre Dame.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: I mean... cool. It's still seven less like.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: But because that's the game winning touchdown against Notre Dame.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: Do you like in your mind count it as five
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: touchdowns or three touchdowns or two touchdowns?
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: If you're a BYU fan, you're looking at this stack
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: comparison and you're saying our guy caught that one and
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: I'm still taking our guys.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: And that's probably how you should feel as a BYU fan.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: Take your guys, but like, but look how close it is.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: The margins are so, so thin here in this game.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: So now we've settled the linebackers. All right. We're going
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: to give the, give the advantage to Utah in the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: linebacker category, which by the way, is the biggest surprise
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: to me of all of these comparisons, because I was
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: dead convinced that the addition of KDU Luave is to
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: BYU's linebacker room was going to mean that they are better.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: But Ellis and Polu have elevated Utah's floor in linebacker
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: play to a place where you have to feel good
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: no matter who's on the field. I actually think that
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: Elijah Ellis might be the best linebacker on this team.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: And I know that I'm probably leaning on past information
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: that's available to us. And the fact that all of
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: his brothers are in the NFL playing linebacker or outside linebacker.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: And so you can, it's like not exactly a hot
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: take to say that. And Ellis is an excellent football player.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: But when you look at how disruptive he is when
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: he's on the field, I mean, you need a home
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: run hitter and you need a guy who hits for average.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: You've got the home run hitter and Elijah Ellis. You
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: have the guy who hits for average and Trey Reynolds.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: And you've got Cyrus Polo, who has shown the ability
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: to do kind of both.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Polo is just... At times. I love him as a blitzer.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: He's awesome. Utah's got four great linebackers.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: Four reliable linebackers. And that is a luxury to have.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: So we continue to go position by position. Shout out
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: to Desert Hills High School down in St.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: George. Never heard of it. Cyrus Polo. Never heard of it.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 5: Is that a place you've... I mean, when I was
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: in school, because I went to Dixie down there, when
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: I graduated, it was only two years old, so we
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: called it Dixie South. But yeah, it's still St. George
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: School that I don't hate as much as Pineview. So
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: shout out to you.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: All right. Let's go to wide receiver. Position room A.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: 77 catches for 1,100 total yards and seven touchdowns. Position
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: room B, wide receiver room B, 76 catches for 1,145,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: 10 touchdowns.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: Which one are you taking?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: B has 45 more yards, three more touchdowns. But a
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: has more receptions. There is one more reception reception.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, B. Okay. Who is it? This one, Utah.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: It's BYU. It's BYU. Okay. And interestingly enough, BYU.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: So I took the top three here because there's only
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: like a tiny smattering from the fourth guy. So top
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: three receivers are pagan Whittemore and Ricky Johnson for BYU.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: It's Casper, Glasper, Casper, Glasgow, other Glasgow and Jojo Phillips
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: cousin of Isaiah Glasgow.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: It BYU going into this season, as has been the
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: case for the last few years, bigger names in the.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Wide receiver room, but Utah.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: I think this is a similar way that Utah fans
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: ought to look at. This is the way that we
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: look at how close the D tackles, the interior defensive
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: linemen are compared to BYU's preseason. Although, although there was
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: a lot of excitement around Braden Pagan and, and Kyrie Schultz, who,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: who has not shown up for Utah as of yet,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: maybe won't this year. Um, There was a lot of
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: excitement around that. It still was like because of recent history,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: it was like, OK, we got to wait and see
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: with this with BYU. It's like they haven't had their
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: recent history. They've had the luxury of of having good receivers.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: So given that the preseason expectations, the fact that you
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: are pretty close in the wide receiver room. Like you
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: got to feel pretty good about that. If you're Utah,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: that's an absolute win.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like a weird moral victory because before
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: you could just say Utah's wide receiver room versus fill
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: in the blank.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: And you'd have to be like, whoever, whoever it is. Yeah.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: Like, unless it's like army Navy or Georgia tech air force,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: you're going shout out to the service. By the way,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: respect to Georgia tech. They, they had some, I mean,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: Megatron's from there. So they had some years where you
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: had to be like, sure, but man, You're right. When
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: you put it all in context, and look, these blind
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: stack comparisons are not full context.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: It's just, here are the numbers.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: Here are the numbers, and now BYU has a slight
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: advantage again.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: I think, but here's the difference between, so I just,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: I kind of dragged what some of the BYU fans
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: in their Twitter comments are saying about, well, but this
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: one was a game winner against Notre Dame, the one touchdown.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: And someone might be like, well, aren't you doing the
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: same thing? It's basically saying it's a moral victory for Utah. No,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: because I'm still saying advantage to BYU. Some of these
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: other people in your comments are saying.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Well, but because this one is a game-winning touchdown against
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: a top-five team, it means that it's worth more than eight.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: It's actually not, though.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: Just context for Utah fans, you've got to still feel
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: really good about that, even though BYU has somewhat of
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: a clear advantage in this category as well.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 8: 77 catches for 1100 yards, seven touchdowns, 76 catches for 1145,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 8: 10 touchdowns.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: That's pagan.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: And by the way, and by the way, a part
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: of that is because you haven't had a run game
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: in the last few weeks.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: If you're BYU.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: So it, if, if you, if you look at rivalry games,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: When we get to Florida versus Georgia, when we get
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: to Notre Dame-USC, I doubt very strongly that you're going
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: to be able to go position room by position room
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: and have them separated by a single catch and 45 yards.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: I think that the grander point being illustrated here is
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: how close this matchup really is.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: And in almost every category, I think that You could
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: say that the Utes linebacker group has a clear advantage,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: and BYU's defensive ends, from a stats perspective, has a
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: clear advantage. But that's one team has a group that's
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: one clear advantage. The other team has only one, and
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: the others, the rest of the categories are very small
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: advantages to the other team from stats wise. So like
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: this is about as even as it gets.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: All right. Brace yourselves.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a quick one here and you're going.
• 1:38:44
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• 1:38:48
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show. Welcome in one
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  Speaker 3: of the BYU football legends. And I hope he's okay
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  Speaker 3: with me saying one of the Utah villains of this
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: great rivalry of ours here in the, in the state
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  Speaker 3: and the Holy war, Austin Colley, former BYU wide receiver
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: and NFL veteran is kind enough to join us here
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  Speaker 3: on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Austin, thanks for giving us some time. How are you, man?
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  Speaker 4: Good.
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  Speaker 3: How are you doing?
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Is this the biggest Holy war game ever?
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, man. I mean, you got two
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: teams that are into the top 10, probably pretty evenly matched. I,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: you know, I think it's going to be, it's going
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: to be a great game.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: Well, we were on the set talking about it last
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: year down in Provo about how, you know, this would
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: be a tight game and it was last year.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: It came down to maybe a muff punt.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: It came down to a tackle that you don't make
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: or a, a ball that you don't tip or whatever.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: And that's happened so many times in this rivalry. And
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: obviously the consequences in this particular one become a lot
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: more interesting because if you make that play or you don't,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: we might be talking about college football, playoff invite. We
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: might be talking about a chance to play in the
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: conference championship game. And obviously it hearkens back to your
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: era of Utah and BYU football, where you're two teams
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: at the top of a shared conference. And while that
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: one was played at the end of the year, oftentimes
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: the stakes were who gets to be called champion at
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: the end. Does it boil down almost as simply in
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: this one for you?
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would say so. I mean, again, going
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: back to the fact that this is as unique as
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: it gets, given that there are such high stakes and
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: high implications on the game, right? Not just... just the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: fact that the rank is high, not just the fact
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: that it's a conference championship, but this could have implications
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: on getting into the college football playoff and having a
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: shot at the national title, right? I don't think the
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: two teams have ever been in a spot at the
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: same time as they are now, right? Or the same spot,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: I should say, as they are now. So it's exciting, man.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: I obviously love this week. I love this game. But
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: when you have two teams that are nationally recognized in
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: the top 10, you know, national contenders. I think it
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: just adds more fuel to the fire and, and that's
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: what college football is all about, all about. And it
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: excites me, man.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: Both Kalani Satake and Morgan Scali have made their thoughts
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: on the rivalry.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Very clear. They've made their thoughts about one another. Very clear.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: They're obviously friends in real life. They worked together for
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: a very long time.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: A lot of respect.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: For one another and the way that they run their
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: respective programs. And, and, you know, like you've been at
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: the center of controversy in this game, we've fanned the
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: flames and the fueled the fires for years and years
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: about this game. Do you think that these two guys
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: being the head coaches changed the dynamic of the fan
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: rivalry of the vitriol at all?
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: No, I think maybe between the two teams directly, maybe,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: but But I'll tell you, man, the animosity between the
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: two groups amongst the public is still fairly strong, right?
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: Especially if you hop online and see the conversations and
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: threads that are happening. Like, I think it's, you know,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: the animosity and the hate is real, right? And it
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: still exists, right? So, you know, maybe directly in between
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: the two locker rooms, there may not be as much...
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: I guess much juice. There's juice, but probably not as
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: much as given that, you know, the history of the
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: two coaches. And, and again, you know, if they aren't
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: ranked nearly as high as they are, or if one
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: of us is ranked, you know, higher than the other,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think this, this game is, is nearly as
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: what it is. Um, uh, you know, uh, as it
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: is today.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: I think, I think, uh, it may be a toned down,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: toned down version, obviously, but, uh, given where everybody stands,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: given that there is still that energy that exists within
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: the state amongst, um, you know, the, the citizens of
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: the state and the fans of the state, I think,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: you know, that, that, uh, that, uh, rivalry, um, atmosphere
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: is still alive and well.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: So, uh, what gives you the most confidence about this
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: BYU team? Obviously I think it's going to be a
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: close one. I don't want to put words in your mouth,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: but I assume that you expect kind of the same.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: Where is BYU's biggest source of confidence or their best
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: advantage in your mind?
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's under center, right? Like I think
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: bear bear has a very unique, um, or a X factor,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: if you, if you will, about him, right? Like he, he,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: he exudes what, what, what a quarterback should be, especially
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 4: the quarterback in a P four conference.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: And, and what you wanted at leading a national championship team,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: like he's, you know, by any means necessary, he's going
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: to will it to happen. And, and you know, I,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: I think everything goes through him, right? Like if he's
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: playing well, he's throwing the ball well, and he's making
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: plays happen with his feet. I think, I think we've
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: got a good shot.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: Speaker 2 and what about this Utah team makes you
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: most nervous?
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: If anything, Speaker 3 again, I think the guy at
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: our center, right? Like he can do damage. I was
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: just telling somebody the other day, right? Like, I don't
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: think there's an inch of turf that he hasn't, that
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: he hasn't had a rushing yard on, right? Like he he's,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: he's all over the place. And you know, given what
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: we saw from BYU against UCF and, and, and the
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: trouble that they had an open field tackling against that quarterback,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: you know, I think, I think Dan beer is a
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: better talent than that kid is better on his feet,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: better creating plays. Now, I mean, Devin also has his downfalls,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: which is he is a little bit of a liability
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: to passing game, as in he'll force things to happen.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: And typically when a quarterback forces things, there's turnovers that occur.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: But BYU is able to contain him somewhat, keep him
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: in the pocket and force him to throw the ball.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: I think we've got to get shot. If they allow
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: him to get outside the edges and create with his feet,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: we're going to have an issue.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: Austin Colley is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: show talking about the upcoming Holy war.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: Uh, did you ever play a game at 10 AM?
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: I did man. And they are the worst. They are
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: the worst. Um, I've never been a fan of morning games.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: I've never been a fan of day games, rather. I'm
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: not a day game guy. I kind of like to
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: wake up and go through a routine and really kind of...
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: you know, visualize and have time to kind of gather
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: my thoughts and, and, and maybe have a meeting or
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: two and a walkthrough. And like, I, I didn't love
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: that going into a game and maybe it's because I,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: you know, I love playing in high school so much
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: and I love the Friday night lights. I love playing
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: under lights. But man, 10 AM, dude, I'm just barely
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: waking up. Like I, I'm not, I'm not ready to
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: play a game. Like my head's in the clouds still.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: So I hate morning games.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: And obviously both teams have to deal with it. Is
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: there any advantage to being the home team for the
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: Utes in that scenario or because it's an in-state game
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: and there's no time zone or anything like that?
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: Does it even out?
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think there's always a
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: home field advantage regardless. Right. Like especially right tackles. Like
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: there's definitely an edge that Utah has playing home given
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: their fans and given, given the environment that's there. Right.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: You can say the same for BYU when we're at BYU. So,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: you know, regardless of the time, I think, I think
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: there's a, there's definitely, an advantage that Utah has it
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: just being able to play in their home stadium at
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: Rice Eccles. Right. Just because it is, it is such a,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: a great environment. If you're a Utah fan and Utah
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: football player.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: One of the big questions heading into this weekend, and
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: hopefully we get some more insight on it soon is how,
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  Speaker 3: the availability or lack thereof for LJ Martin. And I
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  Speaker 3: know that BYU was able to beat Notre Dame without him.
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  Speaker 3: That was on their home field, like we're just talking about.
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  Speaker 3: If he is available, who knows how close to full
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  Speaker 3: speed he's going to be. And as a guy who
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  Speaker 3: played at the very highest level and I know had
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  Speaker 3: to come back from injuries, I don't know if he
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  Speaker 3: ever had any high ankle stuff, but your thoughts on
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  Speaker 3: LJ Martin and the X factor he is in this game.
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  Speaker 4: Speaker 3 0 Yeah. I think, I think production wise,
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  Speaker 4: I don't see, I mean, how many weeks has it been?
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  Speaker 4: He's been injured five, six.
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  Speaker 3: Speaker 2 I think this will be six weeks from
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  Speaker 3: the day he exited the game.
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  Speaker 4: Speaker 3 0 Yeah. So I, I mean, from, from,
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  Speaker 4: from the on-field production standpoint, like I don't see, I
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  Speaker 4: don't see much contribution there. I don't, but from accountability standpoint,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Utah having to at least account for him
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  Speaker 4: and at least game plan for him and account for
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  Speaker 4: him when he's on the field. Like I do think
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  Speaker 4: that does something for BYU that gives him an edge, right?
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  Speaker 4: If he's on the field, you cannot know, not always
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  Speaker 4: keep a tab on where he is and, and, and,
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  Speaker 4: you know what he could potentially do when he does
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  Speaker 4: get the ball, right. Whether he's injured or full go
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  Speaker 4: or not.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 4: The kid is always going to be a threat when
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  Speaker 4: he's on the field. Now, you know, having had a
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  Speaker 4: high ankle sprain, man, I mean, it's, it's, it's a bear, right? Like,
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  Speaker 4: especially if you're a running back, you know, you, you
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  Speaker 4: might lose a little bit of bounce And, you know,
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  Speaker 4: being gone six weeks, man, I mean, you, you definitely,
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  Speaker 4: it takes you a game or two, just kind of
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  Speaker 4: get back into the rhythm of things. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: anticipate seeing LJ at full form, but that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 4: that he's still not going to be impactful in the
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  Speaker 4: game in terms of the way Utah has to scheme.
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  Speaker 3: When you look at the rest of the schedule for BYU,
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  Speaker 3: and it's almost a silly thing to ask because this
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  Speaker 3: rivalry game is the game of the year every year,
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  Speaker 3: but BYU has a win over Notre Dame in the
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  Speaker 3: back pocket, right? They also stubbed their toe and lost
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  Speaker 3: on the road to a UCF team that didn't look
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  Speaker 3: particularly good against Baylor. And so their margin for error
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  Speaker 3: in the conference championship race is kind of gone, but
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  Speaker 3: for lack of a better way to put it, how
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  Speaker 3: badly do they need this game in your mind from
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: the big picture, trying to achieve the goal of making
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: a college football playoff perspective, because that Notre Dame win
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  Speaker 3: changes everything in my mind.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think, I think this game is absolutely
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  Speaker 4: critical only because only because the, you know, if you
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  Speaker 4: lose the UCF and then you lose the Utah, who's another,
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  Speaker 4: you know, top 10 ranked team, you know, anybody in
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  Speaker 4: the committee can say, okay, maybe, maybe Notre Dame was
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  Speaker 4: a fluke.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you look at the fumble on by, by
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: CJ car on the two yard line, you look at the,
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  Speaker 4: you know, all the, you know, and I don't think
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  Speaker 4: this is a thing or was even a factor, but
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: you know, everyone that was talking about a one second,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the one second left on the clock and getting,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: you know, Notre Dame had an opportunity to run another play. Like, like,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden now Notre Dame is kind of
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: framed as like a, you know, Notre Dame was off
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: that week rather than BYU was humming. And, and, you know,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: using that as an excuse as, you know, it was
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: just kind of a, a one hit wonder type of win.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: You know, Utah does, I think a lot of, if
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: BYU manages to pull out a win and beat Utah
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  Speaker 4: at home, I think that definitely validates them as a team,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: as a top-ten team, as a playoff team, right? And,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, to be honest with you, Utah hasn't really
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: played anybody to Notre Dame's caliber yet, so I think
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: this is going to add to Utah's value as well.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: And the crazy thing in college football, especially this year, man,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: is anyone can win on any given.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: Saturday, right?
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  Speaker 4: Like, we're seeing more parity across... all conferences, all college
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: football than we have ever seen. And, you know, it's
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: not only going to be important for them to go
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: beat Utah, but they're going to have to turn around.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: They're going to have to play Baylor. They're going to
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: have to play Kansas. They're going to have to play Cincinnati,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: which again, you know, these big 12 teams have proven
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: that there isn't other than BYU and Utah and maybe
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: Texas Tech, there's not much consistency after that in terms
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: of what team is showing up on that Saturday to play. Right.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: You can get the best version of the worst version
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: of each one of those teams.
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion, I have to back up just a second.
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  Speaker 3: Cause you said you don't think it was a thing.
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  Speaker 3: You don't think Notre Dame should have been given another second.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, man. I think, I think, yeah, to me,
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  Speaker 4: the replay is the replay. There's one second, there's one
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: second on the client and I didn't look too much
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: into it. I'll be honest with you, Sean. I didn't
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: look too much into it. I'm just going off of
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: what people said. I barely even took a look at
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 4: the video.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: To me, you know, there, there's a, there's a lot
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: of bad calls and there were a lot, I was
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: at the game. There were a lot of bad calls
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: across the board throughout the entire game.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: And in my mind, things, things kind of even out.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: I'm a big believer on whoever wins, you know, whoever wanted,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: they were meant to win the ball game. That's who
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: won the ball game. And you know, again, like I said,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: I haven't really seen the video. I've just heard the
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: rumblings of, of people going back and forth saying, Hey,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: you know, there was one second left on the clock
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: that should have gotten, you know, it should have gotten
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: another shot at it.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, to me, I don't mean to interrupt,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: but that is the result. Whether Notre Dame wants to
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: be mad about it from now until the end of time,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. What happened happened, and it's not going
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: to change in the result. There's no asterisk on that win,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: but the last three weeks... big 12 officials have screwed
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: up some important scenarios. And it just, it just happens
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: that BYU has been involved in all of those. I
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: don't think it's as much as I kind of like
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: tongue in cheek. We'll say it's a conspiracy to favor BYU.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think actually believe that. But if, if this
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: holy war is as close as most of them are,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: We got big 12 officials on this game. My, my
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: sincere hope Austin is that we don't have a scenario
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: where the conversation after the game is about a call.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: Like it was in 2024 is about a call like,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: like it was against Notre Dame. I want this to
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: be a game that we talk about it and say,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I can't believe that that's how it
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: played out, but without the referees involved. And I don't
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: trust that we're going to get that because of how
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: bad it's been in the big 12.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: That's not going to happen. There's going to be some
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: questionable calls. Whether you win or lose, I always think
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: the officials can't be perfect, right? And they may miss
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 4: a call. They may miss a handful of calls, right?
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: But when so much is at stake, when you've got
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: two teams that have a history like these two teams do,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: And they want, and, and, and again, everything is kind
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: of has been amounting to this week, to this game for,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: for big 12 college football implications. Like whoever loses is
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: going to go back and say, Hey, the only reason
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: why this happened was because of this call, this call
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: and this call.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: So I, I, I think there's, there's going to be
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: a handful of bad calls.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: I do agree with you.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: Hopefully those bad calls do not transpire as close as
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: they did two or three years ago to the, you know, the, the,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: the the clock hitting zero in the fourth quarter.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: I will say though, it was pass interference.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: Speaker 0 7,020 that wasn't even the call. It was
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: defensive holding.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: All I know, the guy was draped on him from
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: the get-go.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, BYU won that game.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: Utah had, what, six more plays where they could have
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: stopped him. Two plays after that, a ball goes through
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: the hands of Cam Calhoun, who he should have picked it,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: and he didn't.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: So BYU made the plays they needed to make. No
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: one can take that away from the Cougs. All right, prediction.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: How does it play out?
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: That's a great question. I think the crew's got them
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 4: by three. .
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: .
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: It is always going to
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: be a dog fight, man. It's always going to be
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: a dog fight.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: I think that's what we get Saturday at 10 a.m.,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: which is not Austin Colley's favorite time to play a game.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: We learned that today. Thanks so much for thanks for
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: giving us some time today. We'll talk again soon.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Austin Colley, the.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: Infamous BYU wide receiver from 2004, then 2007, 2008, when
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: he departed the program at BYU, he had.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: All the records.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: He was passed by Cody Hoffman in 2010, but Austin
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: Colley exited his career as the best wide receiver in
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: BYU history. And obviously he had a ton of success
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: in the NFL before the unfortunate injuries started to pile up.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: But big thanks to him for joining us. We can
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: now cleanse you of any of the BYU talk for
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: the rest of the week. Thanks for indulging that in
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: rivalry week. I just feel like we got to lean
• 1:58:58
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