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Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal here with Alana Rizzo, star of Stage, Screen
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Speaker 1: and TVs Alta. We're going to start off today talking
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Speaker 1: about something that probably isn't going to happen at all.
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Speaker 2: I tell you what, it seems like. It is the
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Speaker 2: talk of the town, Ken Rosenthal. Everyone in our industry
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Speaker 2: is talking about it. But you are about to pour
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Speaker 2: some cold water all over this nonsense.
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Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't call it nonsense because the question of
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Speaker 1: whether the Pirates should trade Paul Skins is a legitimate question.
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Speaker 1: I just don't see how it happens at this juncture,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to explain why as clearly as I
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Speaker 1: possibly can. First of all, the Pirates just fire their manager.
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Speaker 1: Their general manager, Ben Charrington might not be back after
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Speaker 1: this year. It's his sixth year, just as it is
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Speaker 1: Derek Shelton's sixth year. And if you're Bob Nutting, the
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Speaker 1: owner of the team, and you're expecting progress this year,
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Speaker 1: he's on record is saying that, and there's no progress,
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Speaker 1: and it's sixth year of Ben Sherrington's tenure.
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Speaker 3: What is the likelihood that he will be retained after
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Speaker 3: this year? I would say probably not good.
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Speaker 1: And if you're Bob Nutting, and you're assessing all this
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Speaker 1: and you're even thinking about trading Paul Skeins, you might
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Speaker 1: be thinking, why am I going to let a GM
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Speaker 1: that I might let go trade the franchise pitcher when
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Speaker 1: the next GM that should be his call. So that's
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Speaker 1: reason number one that I don't think this is feasible
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Speaker 1: at all. Reason number two, strictly from a baseball value perspective,
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Speaker 1: Juan Soto when he was traded from the Nationals to
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Speaker 1: the Padres, had two plus years remaining. Paul Skeens has
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Speaker 1: four plus years remaining. And you remember the return for Soto.
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Speaker 1: It was one of the great returns in trade history.
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Speaker 1: It included CJ. Abrams, Mackenzie, Gore, and of course James Would.
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Speaker 1: You're going to get even more than that for Paul Skeins.
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Speaker 1: You're going to find a team willing to do that.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I just doubt it as protective as teams are
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Speaker 1: of prospects today. So if you're talking about the Redstocks,
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Speaker 1: just as an example, Marcelo Meyer.
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Speaker 3: And Roman Anthony, you probably have to start there.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know that the Red Sox want to
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Speaker 1: do that, even for Paul Skins.
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Speaker 3: And finally with Paul Skeins.
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Speaker 1: What would the message look like If you're the Pittsburgh Pirates,
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Speaker 1: You've had six straight losing seasons, you're working on your seventh,
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Speaker 1: and then you trade the best thing about your team period.
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Speaker 1: You've already had pr disasters this year with the taking
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Speaker 1: down of the Roberto Clemente sign, the ceremonial bricks that
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Speaker 1: you screwed up with as well. Obviously those are off
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Speaker 1: field issues. This is an on field question, and I
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Speaker 1: guess if you could make a great trade for a
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Speaker 1: team that can't hit, yes they could use some offensive
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Speaker 1: players if you could do that, okay, But again that
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Speaker 1: goes back to the value question, and I just don't
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Speaker 1: see it happening. The message would be horrible, the value
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Speaker 1: would not be enough, and the GM that would be
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Speaker 1: making the trade might not be your GM much past
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Speaker 1: the end of this season. So I just don't see
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Speaker 1: it happening. I guess if you're the Pirates and you're
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Speaker 1: worried Paul Skins.
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Speaker 3: Is going to blow out any minute.
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Speaker 1: Which I guess is a fair concern for any team
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Speaker 1: with any pitcher, then maybe you consider it. But really,
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Speaker 1: for all the reasons I just stated, Alana, I don't
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Speaker 1: see this happening.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of blowing out Jared Jones obviously going to
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Speaker 2: the IL with surgery for him as well. But is
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Speaker 2: Paul Skins can always a tradable piece? I mean, is
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Speaker 2: this something that they're thinking, Okay, we got to think
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Speaker 2: about the value. Do they wait until he only has
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Speaker 2: two years left instead of four plus years? Is he
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Speaker 2: always going to be on the trading block in their mind?
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Speaker 3: Here's another thought of Lona.
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Speaker 1: What if you're the Pittsburgh Pirates and you actually try
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Speaker 1: to build around Paul Skins?
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Speaker 3: How about that thought? What concept?
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Speaker 1: Ken Mark Finestan pointed this out on MLB dot Com today,
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Speaker 1: and it was a really good point point The Tigers
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Speaker 1: two years ago with Tarrek scoobl they weren't in a
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Speaker 1: good place, and yet here they are. They've built themselves
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Speaker 1: into something formidable, in fact, best fifty game record in
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Speaker 1: baseball right now. So if you're the Pirates, that's what
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Speaker 1: you should be doing. You should be building around Paul Skimes,
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Speaker 1: not thinking about trading him. They didn't do much in
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Speaker 1: the offseason at all when they had, again, this franchise
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Speaker 1: pitcher and going into his first full year. I just
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Speaker 1: don't understand the way they operate, and neither do a
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Speaker 1: lot of people in baseball.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe that it's even a topic of conversation.
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Speaker 2: Heed's one of the most exciting players right now. But
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Speaker 2: you know, if you're the Pittsburgh Pirates, maybe you're looking
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Speaker 2: to get something back instead of build around your current team.
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Speaker 2: Paul Skins is gonna be a lot of fun to
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Speaker 2: watch Ken for a very long time. Let's talk a
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Speaker 2: little bit though about the All Century Club, if you will.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a quarter century team that we're
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Speaker 2: talking about. So the Athletic did a nice piece about
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Speaker 2: who would you put on your quarter century That's a
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Speaker 2: lot of unbelievable players to kind of process Ken, what
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Speaker 2: would you do this?
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Speaker 1: Well, I know fans are gonna have a lot of
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Speaker 1: fun with this, and in fact that the Athletic we
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Speaker 1: invite fans to pick their own players, and there's going
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Speaker 1: to be considerable debate over all of them. The one
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Speaker 1: that stood out to me and the one of many
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Speaker 1: that will generate controversy is Altwove at second base. Now,
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Speaker 1: he is the best second baseman I would expect people
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Speaker 1: to think of this quarter century The question becomes okay,
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Speaker 1: what about the cheating scandal. Now, as Jason Stark wrote,
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Speaker 1: he only had a very hazy association.
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Speaker 3: With that scandal.
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Speaker 1: He was the one guy the Astros players said no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: he was not involved. There is data to suggest as
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Speaker 1: well or to reinforce, that he was not involved, and
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Speaker 1: yet fans associate him, perhaps more than any player with
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Speaker 1: the scandal, simply because he's the face of the team.
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Speaker 1: So if you're going to include Altuve on this team, then,
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Speaker 1: as Jason later gets into, what about some of the
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Speaker 1: ped players, Robinson Cano at second base is not Jason's choice.
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Speaker 3: There.
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Speaker 1: The one Ped guy that he did include was Barry Bonds.
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Speaker 1: He did not include a Rod and Bonds because he
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Speaker 1: participated or played at a time when there was not
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Speaker 1: testing and penalties. Jason just said, listen, this is the
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Speaker 1: best player we've seen, and he's going to be on
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Speaker 1: my team.
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Speaker 3: All debatable.
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Speaker 1: It's the whole question that, of course revolves around the
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame candidacies of these players as well. Do
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Speaker 1: you include them or not? And that, to me is
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Speaker 1: probably the most difficult debate that's going to come out
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Speaker 1: of this. We can have some other debates Alana, and
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Speaker 1: I know you have one thought as well about this team.
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Speaker 3: And who you might have excluded and included.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also want our listeners and our viewers
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Speaker 2: can to get involved in this because, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 2: the Athletic is encouraging people to participate and put together
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Speaker 2: their own all quarter century team. Kyle Johnson was saying,
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Speaker 2: I like Utley over Altuve, So continue to get those
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Speaker 2: questions in, guys, because Grill and Ken is coming up
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Speaker 2: here on fair territory. I think there's a good question
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Speaker 2: to ask in terms of Aaron Judge, Ken Rosenthal or
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Speaker 2: Mooky Bets. Now, there's a couple of reasons why you
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Speaker 2: can go on either side. Obviously, Aaron Judge is unbelievable
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Speaker 2: right two MVPs. He has, you know, so many different
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Speaker 2: historic milestones already in his unbelievable career. But Mooky Bets, Now,
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Speaker 2: if you consider him just a right fielder, this is
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Speaker 2: a guy that also has three World Series under his belt.
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Speaker 2: Aaron Judge is still searching for his first. Now, you
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Speaker 2: could also say that perhaps that's not an individual problem,
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Speaker 2: that's an organizational problem, and that's more of a Yankees
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Speaker 2: issue than an Aaron Judge issue, But you also have
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Speaker 2: to look at the fact that Mooki Bets can play
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Speaker 2: the infield as well. I mean, he's one of the
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Speaker 2: most versatile athletes in the game, not just on the Dodgers,
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Speaker 2: not just on the red Stone he was over in Boston,
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Speaker 2: but just a versatile athlete. So if you look at
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Speaker 2: it from a just a right field perspective, is that
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Speaker 2: Aaron Judge. If you look at it as an overall
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Speaker 2: perspective of a right field or that can play the infield,
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Speaker 2: that has three World Series under his belt, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's interesting to look at. But this is a type
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Speaker 2: of situation, Ken that we could debate until the cows
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Speaker 2: come home, because everybody thinks that they have the right
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Speaker 2: answer when it comes to this. But I mean, think
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Speaker 2: about it, Derek Jeter at shortstop. Of course, a lot
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Speaker 2: of people don't think that Derek Jeter was really good defensively.
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Speaker 2: So there's just a lot of different things that you
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Speaker 2: could argue. It's always fun to have the conversation. One
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Speaker 2: thing that we talk about is I would probably put
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Speaker 2: Utley over anybody at second base just because Utley for me,
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Speaker 2: has always been a gamer and his former club Ken
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Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Phillies. They're playing out of their mind right now.
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Speaker 2: Had a good week despite the Alvarado situation. What is
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Speaker 2: making the Phillies so hot, Well.
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Speaker 1: For starters, alana I would suggest their schedule of late
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Speaker 1: has been kind of easy. Now they're eighteen and five
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Speaker 1: in the last twenty three. You cannot take that away
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Speaker 1: from them. You have to win the games against the
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Speaker 1: opponent in front of you. Last six have been against
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Speaker 1: the Rockies and the Pirates, so okay, they should be
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Speaker 1: winning those games. And they are also in this stretch.
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Speaker 1: They played Tampa Bay, they've played Cleveland, They've played Washington.
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Speaker 1: It's been a little breather for them in the schedule.
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Speaker 1: But this is from an offensive standpoint, one of the
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Speaker 1: best teams in the league. They're sixth in the Majors
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Speaker 1: in runs per game. Their rotation, as we know, is
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Speaker 1: one of the best in the game as well, fourth
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Speaker 1: in rotation era. The question going forward is going to
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Speaker 1: be the bullpen, and the loss of Alvarado only highlights
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Speaker 1: that they probably were going to need at least one
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Speaker 1: reliever even with Alvarado and now losing that left handed
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Speaker 1: presence one of the hardest throwing lefties in the game.
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Speaker 1: They're going to be a team that is definitely going
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Speaker 1: to be in search of bullpen help at the deadline.
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Speaker 1: It's possible that if their rotation stays healthy come to playoffs,
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Speaker 1: they could use Ranger Suarez in the bullpen, as they've
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Speaker 1: done in the past. It gets a little dicey because
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Speaker 1: Suarez is eligible for free agency, but again he has
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Speaker 1: done in the past, and I can't see that hurting
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Speaker 1: his market if he closes out a World Series.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a team that I would run
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Speaker 2: through a wall for. I love Kyle Schwarber, I love
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Speaker 2: Bryce Harper. You look at Kyle Schwarber, ten home runs,
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Speaker 2: twenty one RBI over the stretch. Ken that you were
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Speaker 2: just talking about, But let's look a little deeper into
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Speaker 2: the numbers, and we don't talk about him enough because
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Speaker 2: he was scuffling in March and April, and that is
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Speaker 2: the services of Alec bohone. This guy's had a very
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Speaker 2: up and down career so far with the Phillies. But
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Speaker 2: you think about Ken, what he did in March and April,
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Speaker 2: just a two to twenty one average of five twenty
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Speaker 2: one ops, just five extra base hits. He had the
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Speaker 2: four doubles and the one triple bagger an eight you know,
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Speaker 2: and eight RBIs. But in May, something has changed for
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Speaker 2: Alec Bohm. A three thirty three average and eight eighty
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Speaker 2: four ops, five extra base hits with the two doubles
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Speaker 2: and the three home runs. I looked into it a
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Speaker 2: little further. He's not hitting the ball harder Ken in
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Speaker 2: terms of March in April to May, but his strikeout
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Speaker 2: rate is down and he's being a lot more selective
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Speaker 2: at the plate. So for whatever reason, Alec Bohm seems
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Speaker 2: to have it figured out. So you expect the Kyle
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Speaker 2: Schwarber's of the world and the Bryce Harper's of the world,
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Speaker 2: and to a certain extent, you know, the JT. Rail
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Speaker 2: Muto's and so on and so forth, but Alec Bohm,
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Speaker 2: who was an All Star last year, Ken, seems to
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Speaker 2: be figuring out a little bit.
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Speaker 1: He's an enigmatic player, there's no doubt about that. And
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Speaker 1: remember in the off season they were talking about possibly
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Speaker 1: training him, and they never found really a market that
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Speaker 1: developed for Alec Bohm because teams don't see him as special.
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Speaker 1: They see him as kind of an average player. But
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Speaker 1: he has above average capability and as you just pointed
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Speaker 1: out so well he is showing that again in this
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Speaker 1: particular month. So for the Phillies to go where they
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Speaker 1: want to go, yes, they need Alec Bohm to be better,
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Speaker 1: They need Brandon Marsh to be better. They need a
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Speaker 1: more complete, full lineup than they've had at times. Right now,
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Speaker 1: they're hot guys, are They're big guys Turner and Schwore
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Speaker 1: and Harper as you mentioned. But yes, they need to
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Speaker 1: be a one through nine threat, and they're looking more
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Speaker 1: like that in this particular run.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I love the Phillies. It's always good to see them,
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Speaker 2: and I love what Rob Thompson's doing on that team.
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Speaker 2: In Dombrowski will always go out and get somebody special
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Speaker 2: to help that team at the deadline. Much more to
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Speaker 2: come here on Fair Territory, of course. Get those questions
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Speaker 2: in for Grill and Ken. We'll be back right after
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Speaker 2: I appreciate always those Grill and Ken questions. And the
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Speaker 2: first question for you, Ken Rosenthal, is in regards to
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Speaker 2: the San Diego Padres, I guess the quickest thing is
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Speaker 2: are they going to sell trade deadline landing spots for
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Speaker 2: Dylan Cees, Michael King, Nick Pavetta, Luisa Rise, Robert Torrez,
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Speaker 2: Jason Adam, Fernando Tatis Junior.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the Podres are still very much
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Speaker 2: in the thick of it. Are They not the.
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Speaker 1: Walt's five straight. They're three and seven of the last ten.
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Speaker 1: They've hit a low. This is still one of the.
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Speaker 3: Better teams in the game.
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Speaker 1: So is it possible one of the potential free agents
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Speaker 1: might go if Aj Preller.
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Speaker 3: Can cock some kind of big monster deal. I guess.
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Speaker 1: But I don't see them as sellers, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: And basically that question or had them trading the whole team,
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Speaker 1: I don't see that happening.
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Speaker 2: Could I see Machado was still there?
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Speaker 3: I guess, Tatis was gone.
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Speaker 1: Could I see them maybe spinning one of the pictures
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Speaker 1: who was a potential free agent? I guess, Except you
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Speaker 1: need those guys to go where you want to go.
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Speaker 1: They've talked about ceciin king and a rise in the offseason.
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Speaker 1: Robert Suarez the same. But I just don't see it.
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Speaker 3: Even in some kind of.
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Speaker 1: Fantasy world where AJ Preller is doing something really big,
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Speaker 1: he could do it.
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Speaker 3: He's the one guy who could do it.
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Speaker 1: I just don't see it happening.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Aj Preller and Jerry Depoto, they like to do
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Speaker 2: those things. I tell you what. The next question ken
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Speaker 2: is from Depoto's team. Should the Mariners continue to wait
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Speaker 2: and develop their pros or trade them to get better
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Speaker 2: this year and make a run. This question coming from
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Speaker 2: Tyler Clemenson.
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Speaker 1: They've got some really interesting offensive prospects coming, and I
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Speaker 1: don't expect, given the way they've run their team the
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Speaker 1: last few years, kind of in a restricted financial manner,
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Speaker 1: that they're going to give up on those guys anytime soon.
15:19
Speaker 1: They're in a good spot as it is. They're competing
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Speaker 1: at a high level without three of their starting pitchers,
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Speaker 1: Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, and Bryce Miller, so I would expect, Yes,
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Speaker 1: the Mariners will be active. Jerry Depoto, like AJ Priller,
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Speaker 1: is an active GM, but it's hard for me to
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Speaker 1: see them trading any of those guys unless unless they
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Speaker 1: get a zero to three plus player in return.
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Speaker 3: What I'm talking about is a young player who is cheap.
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Speaker 3: Could you trade a.
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Speaker 1: Prospect for a guy who's already maybe in the big
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Speaker 1: leagues and doing it?
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Speaker 3: I guess.
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Speaker 1: But these trades, a lot of them that were discussing,
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Speaker 1: they're easier said than done, and it's just going to
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Speaker 1: be really tough in my estimation, for Depot or any
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Speaker 1: GM sitting on some good prospects to get the value
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Speaker 1: he wants, and in the Mariners case, they're going to
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Speaker 1: need those guys and they're doing just fine. So we'll
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Speaker 1: see how this plays out the next couple of months.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think that happens.
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Speaker 2: I don't either, and we'll go from the AL West
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Speaker 2: to the AL East. A question from Jay Brown on
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Speaker 2: the Baltimore Oriols ken Given the Oriols recent performance downturn,
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Speaker 2: and obviously the dismissal of Brandon Hyde, how do you
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Speaker 2: assess Mike Elias's role in these developments. That's an interesting
16:29
Speaker 2: question about michae Elias. Should his position be under constant scrutiny?
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Speaker 1: It should, And I've kind of talked about this on
16:37
Speaker 1: Foul Territory.
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Speaker 3: I've talked about this on Fox.
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Speaker 1: We've talked about this at length, and I've written about it. Yes,
16:44
Speaker 1: this is mostly on Mike Elias. Now. That team, the
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Speaker 1: way they were playing, I could understand why they fired
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Speaker 1: Brandon Hyde. I was watching their game Friday night, the
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Speaker 1: night before the firing, and I was thinking to myself,
16:55
Speaker 1: this is years of experience watching this kind of thing.
16:58
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, they're playing like a team that's
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Speaker 1: going to get its manager fired. And sure enough the
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Speaker 1: next day it happened. But Michae Elias, and he has
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Speaker 1: said this this week when he finally spoke to the
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Speaker 1: media after three days of not speaking about the firing,
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Speaker 1: he acknowledged that the roster construction is his responsibility, and
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt that it's his responsibility. What we don't
17:18
Speaker 1: know is ownership's feeling about Elias and about how everything
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Speaker 1: has gone down. David Rubinstein and his group, they're new
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Speaker 1: and what they're doing or not doing behind the scenes
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Speaker 1: is unknown. Their willingness to react or not react is
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Speaker 1: not known as well. But I would expect, yes, that Elias.
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Speaker 3: Is under scrutiny right now. He has to be under
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Speaker 3: scrutiny because of the way that they have collapsed.
17:44
Speaker 1: And I wrote about this today in the Wind Up
17:46
Speaker 1: the Athletics free daily baseball newsletter. You play for tomorrow,
17:50
Speaker 1: which the Ools have done, right, They've played for tomorrow.
17:53
Speaker 1: Sometimes tomorrow never comes.
17:56
Speaker 6: I'm not a question.
17:57
Speaker 2: And this is a team that had such high hopes
17:59
Speaker 2: can obviously winning over one hundred games recently, and now
18:02
Speaker 2: they may not even make the postseason. I understand that
18:05
Speaker 2: the rotation is decimated, but their young stars are not hitting,
18:08
Speaker 2: and this team has more questions, it seems than answers.
18:12
Speaker 2: A good response to this, Let's talk first of all,
18:14
Speaker 2: when Sean Michael is weighing in, when are we going
18:16
Speaker 2: to talk about Riley Green? This guy is the biggest
18:20
Speaker 2: Tigers fan, Shawn Michael, always a participant here on fair territory.
18:23
Speaker 2: We appreciate you. When are we going to talk about
18:25
Speaker 2: Riley Green as a top five candidate for MVP? Top
18:28
Speaker 2: five and home runs RBIOBP top ten and it's we
18:31
Speaker 2: get it, Sean, we get it, can talk about Riley
18:33
Speaker 2: Green go.
18:35
Speaker 1: I love Sean And if I'm not mistaken, he's been
18:38
Speaker 1: contacting me and what form or other for years and
18:41
Speaker 1: I love his passionate about the Tigers.
18:42
Speaker 3: And let's face it, he's right. Riley Green is a.
18:45
Speaker 1: Top five MVP candidate At this moment. I haven't given
18:49
Speaker 1: this too much thought. It's May twenty second, not really
18:52
Speaker 1: time to think about MVP. But if the season ended today,
18:56
Speaker 1: sure he'd be in the conversation.
18:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, no doubt about it.
19:00
Speaker 2: Not to confuse Riley Green of the Tigers with Riley
19:03
Speaker 2: Green the country singer. I just want to make sure
19:05
Speaker 2: everybody knows the difficult.
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Speaker 6: It's not a VP.
19:09
Speaker 2: That would be Morgan Wallen if I was voting. All right,
19:12
Speaker 2: here's another question for you, Ken. How do teams that
19:15
Speaker 2: need bullpen help, which is everybody address this concern at
19:18
Speaker 2: the time and the season. Most trades don't start until
19:20
Speaker 2: halfway through July for teams that need help. Now, where
19:23
Speaker 2: will that come from? That's a great question.
19:25
Speaker 3: This is four eleven.
19:28
Speaker 1: It's got to come from within and that's really the
19:31
Speaker 1: only answer I can give you there. It is very
19:34
Speaker 1: rare to see trades at this time of year. Now,
19:37
Speaker 1: there are waiver claims, there are pitchers who are designated
19:40
Speaker 1: for assignment that maybe you can pick up and turn
19:43
Speaker 1: them into something.
19:43
Speaker 3: Teams often try to do that.
19:45
Speaker 1: I believe Luke Weaver kind of fell into that category
19:48
Speaker 1: at some point a couple of years ago.
19:50
Speaker 3: That's an example.
19:51
Speaker 1: But it's really difficult, and trades just do not happen
19:55
Speaker 1: for the most part this time of year. They're not unprecedented,
19:58
Speaker 1: not unheard of Luis Rise last year, but for the
20:02
Speaker 1: most part, you've got to find solutions within and it's
20:05
Speaker 1: not easy for teams to do.
20:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, last question here on Grill and Ken.
20:09
Speaker 2: This one is from Baseball tossed. How bad is Luis
20:12
Speaker 2: Robert's trade value?
20:16
Speaker 3: It's not great.
20:18
Speaker 1: And the White Sox hope was that he come out
20:21
Speaker 1: and play to his ability, his potential, and he has
20:24
Speaker 1: the contract a couple more years left, a fairly sizable money.
20:29
Speaker 3: So I would say right now, it's not good.
20:31
Speaker 1: I know he's stolen a ton of bases, and listen,
20:33
Speaker 1: the physical ability is top I don't know five percent
20:37
Speaker 1: in the game, but he just has not put it
20:39
Speaker 1: together the way teams would want. He has stayed healthy,
20:42
Speaker 1: that's a good sign. But I would say his value
20:45
Speaker 1: is kind of minimal right now.
20:47
Speaker 2: And I also feel like he's been talked about in
20:49
Speaker 2: terms of trades for quite some time and it keeps
20:51
Speaker 2: going down as far as the value is concerned. A right,
20:55
Speaker 2: by the way, just going to finish this segment. Everyone
20:56
Speaker 2: hates us says that AJ Peller would rather eat glass
21:00
Speaker 2: then punt on a season. I believe that to be correct.
21:04
Speaker 1: I would say that's true. And first of all, again
21:07
Speaker 1: there's seven over. They're right in the thick of this thing.
21:10
Speaker 3: They've had a bad week.
21:12
Speaker 1: They're not a team that should be looking to do
21:14
Speaker 1: anything from a cell standpoint. Now, if you want to
21:17
Speaker 1: spin guys and bring another guys at sage what he does,
21:21
Speaker 1: but they're not selling, that's kind of conceivable concept for that.
21:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny. I think Fernando Tatis Junior is safe
21:28
Speaker 2: with the San Diego Potteries. All right, we're gonna be
21:30
Speaker 2: back right after a break with Dude and Dork of
21:32
Speaker 2: the Week.
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21:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't need me grabbing your packs because last
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22:02
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Speaker 6: Dude, dude, dude, Okay, due to the week is here.
22:46
Speaker 2: It is our time to give some praise to a
22:48
Speaker 2: player and organization and entity. Ken will go with you first,
22:52
Speaker 2: you have honors. Who is your due to the week?
22:55
Speaker 1: I am going to wave the white flag, in my
22:57
Speaker 1: case a white piece of notebook paper.
22:59
Speaker 3: That's all I have on the Angels now.
23:01
Speaker 1: On Friday, I wrote a column critical of basically Arty
23:04
Speaker 1: Moreno for the way he's handled or had handled the
23:07
Speaker 1: Otani situation over the years, all the blown opportunities, one
23:10
Speaker 1: thing after another.
23:12
Speaker 3: It was pretty critical.
23:13
Speaker 1: Since then, the Angels have not lost the game six
23:16
Speaker 1: straight wins, six game winning streak, which started with.
23:19
Speaker 3: A sweep of the hated Dodgers. Angels Dudes of the Week.
23:24
Speaker 1: I love it.
23:24
Speaker 2: They don't often get to be Dudes of the Week,
23:27
Speaker 2: so good for them. I originally was going to go
23:29
Speaker 2: with Will Benson of the Cincinnati Reds. He was the
23:31
Speaker 2: most recent player of the week. He's had a really
23:33
Speaker 2: good year. But I will say this, Zach McKinstry and
23:36
Speaker 2: Aaron Nola are my Dudes of the Week because they
23:39
Speaker 2: have been named the first MVPs of the season. And
23:42
Speaker 2: what I mean about that is the Players Trust can
23:45
Speaker 2: announce that they are the first most Valuable Philanthropist of
23:50
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. So Zach McKinstry of the Tigers, Sean
23:54
Speaker 2: Michael and Aaron Nola of the Philadelphia Phillies. They will
23:58
Speaker 2: award a ten thousand dollars and both Nola and McKinstry's
24:01
Speaker 2: honor to support the charitable work off the field, Zach's
24:05
Speaker 2: work with BBQ Mission of Phoenix area nonprofit feeds on
24:08
Speaker 2: housed members and Aaron's is contributing his grant to support
24:11
Speaker 2: the tireless work on behalf of the ALS Association, as
24:15
Speaker 2: well as support the veterans through his work with Team Red,
24:18
Speaker 2: White and Blue. So congratulations to both Zach McKinstry and
24:22
Speaker 2: Aaron Nola. I love to see players giving back and
24:24
Speaker 2: using their platform for good. Speaking of not good, here
24:28
Speaker 2: is the John Fisher dork of the week. Okay, Ken,
24:39
Speaker 2: who do you have? Who are your pointing your finger
24:41
Speaker 2: at this week?
24:43
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm going to be a little bit careful
24:44
Speaker 1: here because I have all the respect in the world
24:47
Speaker 1: for Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer, and I look forward
24:50
Speaker 1: to one day voting for them first ballot Hall of Fame.
24:53
Speaker 1: Both have been great pictures, great representatives of the game,
24:56
Speaker 1: you name it. But my dorks of the week.
24:59
Speaker 3: Are going to be more of a general dork.
25:02
Speaker 1: It's teams that are giving these guys money still. And
25:05
Speaker 1: you saw the San Francisco Giants pay Verlander fifteen million.
25:08
Speaker 1: You saw the Toronto Blue Jays pay Max Shurs are
25:11
Speaker 1: fifteen and a half million. Max has pitched three innings
25:14
Speaker 1: this year. He's forty one. He's going to be forty one.
25:16
Speaker 1: I should say. Verlander just went on the injured list.
25:19
Speaker 1: He's made ten starts. He's a below league average pitcher
25:22
Speaker 1: at this stage the way he has performed just this year,
25:25
Speaker 1: and it's just not happening.
25:28
Speaker 3: So he's forty two.
25:30
Speaker 1: And listen, these guys have had great careers, but you
25:32
Speaker 1: can't keep giving them money when they're not going to
25:35
Speaker 1: be performing at the levels that they used to perform.
25:37
Speaker 1: We all keep thinking, including me, that man, they're coming back,
25:41
Speaker 1: they're going to be great, and it's just not happening
25:43
Speaker 1: for them.
25:44
Speaker 2: I think the ship has sailed on their first ballot
25:47
Speaker 2: Hall of Famers. But I agree with you, I'll take
25:49
Speaker 2: the money. I mean, if we're just giving money to
25:51
Speaker 2: like you know, also rans and has beens and you
25:54
Speaker 2: know those types of things, I'll take the money. Can
25:57
Speaker 2: all right. So my dork of the week is Mike Elias,
26:00
Speaker 2: and you and I had discussed this a little bit
26:03
Speaker 2: in the show previously, but he is surrounded by a
26:06
Speaker 2: very young core of players and for him to step
26:08
Speaker 2: away from his team and leave it up to the
26:11
Speaker 2: manager and these players to answer a lot of the questions.
26:15
Speaker 2: After the very difficult year that this club has had
26:17
Speaker 2: and obviously the firing of Brandon Hyde, he kind of
26:20
Speaker 2: steps away, says he needs to collect his thoughts. I
26:22
Speaker 2: mean that's an issue when you are a president of
26:25
Speaker 2: a team. That's part of the job. I mean, to
26:27
Speaker 2: who much is given, much is expected, and this is
26:30
Speaker 2: a team that is not doing well. So Michael Liias
26:34
Speaker 2: is my dork of the week. All right, much, we
26:37
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Speaker 2: big game this weekend, a big series if you will
27:35
Speaker 2: for your duties over on Fox, of course it is
27:38
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Dodgers coming off of a four and
27:41
Speaker 2: five homestand and the New York Metropolitans. I tell you what, Ken,
27:47
Speaker 2: you give us a preview of this series. But who
27:49
Speaker 2: is not on the IL for LA.
27:52
Speaker 3: Well, it's rather amazing.
27:53
Speaker 1: And the other day on Fair Territory, I talked about
27:57
Speaker 1: the Dodgers and they kind of mocked the idea that
27:59
Speaker 1: they were going to run away, and I said, see, people,
28:02
Speaker 1: it's not happening. They're not ruining the sport. And CJ
28:05
Speaker 1: Nikowski on X my friend CJ, who is of course
28:09
Speaker 1: a great Braves announcer, pointed out that listen, they got
28:12
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars on the IL right now and
28:15
Speaker 1: they're still in first place.
28:16
Speaker 3: That's kind of not a great thing. I get it.
28:19
Speaker 1: CJ had a good point there. And they do have
28:20
Speaker 1: a ton of players still on the IL fourteen.
28:24
Speaker 3: That's the most in the majors.
28:26
Speaker 1: Obviously, they've got a lot of good players who are
28:28
Speaker 1: actually healthy and that's what's carrying them forward. As for
28:32
Speaker 1: the Mets, they're interesting too because the Soto stuff and
28:35
Speaker 1: you see the Dodgers right there through fifty games. This
28:38
Speaker 1: is where they did pretty much every year from two
28:41
Speaker 1: au twenty one. And the difference now is they have
28:44
Speaker 1: all these injured players and they're still right there. And
28:46
Speaker 1: I was gonna say with the Mets clearly the biggest
28:49
Speaker 1: concern right now, the biggest question, the biggest talk is
28:52
Speaker 1: about Juan Soto. And to me, some of this is
28:57
Speaker 1: noise and some of this is just a reaction to
28:59
Speaker 1: him starting the way he started with the Yankees last
29:02
Speaker 1: year and played with the Yankees last year. But as
29:05
Speaker 1: far as his body language and his supposed unhappiness and
29:08
Speaker 1: all this stuff, I expect it to go away. And
29:12
Speaker 1: I expect he's going to be Juan Soto again. I
29:15
Speaker 1: expect we're going to see the strut before at some
29:18
Speaker 1: point this season. I just don't think that Juan Soto
29:22
Speaker 1: has suddenly turned into this pumpkin. And yeah, he's probably
29:26
Speaker 1: struggling with the adjustment a little bit. He struggled with
29:28
Speaker 1: the adjustment when he got traded from the Nationals to
29:31
Speaker 1: the Padres.
29:31
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago.
29:32
Speaker 1: And it seems to me that something's going on with
29:35
Speaker 1: him with the lack of hustle at times. I'm not
29:38
Speaker 1: quite clear on what it is, but I do expect
29:40
Speaker 1: that he's going.
29:41
Speaker 3: To be just fine.
29:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, and honestly, if you do Soto math, he's really
29:45
Speaker 2: not that far below where he needs to be. I
29:48
Speaker 2: think he's going to be just fine. Well, we always
29:50
Speaker 2: appreciate everyone joining us here on Fair Territory with Ken Rosenthal.
29:53
Speaker 2: Ken's going to be back, of course, with a brand new,
29:55
Speaker 2: fresh episode on Monday. Do not forget that Foul Territory
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30:03
Speaker 2: Chandler Rome is going to come on, welcoming raining Anal
30:06
Speaker 2: Player of the Week, Will Benson of the Reds and Mariners,
30:09
Speaker 2: Ricky Pitcher coming up, Logan Evans and the Athletics. Of course,
30:13
Speaker 2: Chandler Rome joining is well, a co host of Crush
30:16
Speaker 2: City Territory, and then Dodgers Territory is on with me
30:19
Speaker 2: and Clympasias. Mark Pryor is our guest. We'll see you
30:21
Speaker 2: next week. Ken, thanks so much