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Ep.72 - Billy Hunt- Triple Crown Winning, and two-time All American Futurity Winning Jockey · StallioneSearch Podcasts

• 0:00
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• 0:29
  SPEAKER_08: And hello again, everyone.com.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_08: This is the latest episode of the number one quarter horse racing podcast in the world, Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Bailey Ivey.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_08: Bailey, I got a very fascinating guest this week.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_08: Plenty to talk about.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_08: You were just down in Selma, Texas, in San Antonio for the TQHA sale as well as the TQHA sale for charity.
• 0:54
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• 0:58
  SPEAKER_08: But Bailey, give us the give us an idea how things were down in San Antonio.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Greg, there was a ton of industry leaders there in San Antonio, and it's always fun to get the sale season started.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's the first sale of the season, and now you'll be headed to Louisiana this weekend, and we'll be in Redoso before we know it.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_08: Before we know it.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_08: And then up to Oklahoma City.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_08: Well, Bailey, I have a great guest this week.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_08: You know, everybody that's paid attention to the podcast realizes there's two topics that are always something I like to touch upon.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_08: It's Casey Shadow, and of course, then it's a special efforts run at the Triple Crown.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_08: And a friend of mine, I was able to get him on the phone and talk to him very in-depth about his career, not just about special effort, because that's the really the only focus I've ever really put upon when I've gotten Billy Hunt on the phone.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_08: But uh Billy was able to get on and talk to me from the beginning until the end of his race writing career and really go in depth about those magical years right there around 1980 and 1981.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_08: And Bailey, there's really just no comparison as it pertains, and you'll hear I make a big deal about it in the section with Billy, but I, you know, if you're looking back, there's just really nothing that really stacks up to the dominance of Johnny Goodman and Billy Hunt throughout that period of time as it pertains to what we've seen since then.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_08: And we're in the I guess it's 45 years now, right, Bailey?
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Greg, what a privilege it is to hear some of the stories that Billy had and behind some of the greatest moments in quarter horse racing history.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 2:33
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  SPEAKER_04: Alright, back to the show.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_08: Alright, we're back here on Quota Horse Racing Talk, ready to jump in with our featured guest this week, former jockey Billy Hunt.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_08: And of course, Billy surrounded by the special effort story, but there's just so much more to expand about Billy's career.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_08: And especially during a three or four year period of time, which Billy will explain, was just miraculous, as a matter of fact.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_08: We just really can't equate or even compare in the modern day of court horse racing or something that's happened since 1981 that would measure up to the absolute dominance up there on the mountain, from the team of Johnny Goodman and Billy Hunt, through horses like Native Gambler and High Easter Jet, as well as the Special Effort story, which is essentially a book that needs to be written, maybe even a movie that needs to be made about core horse racing.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_08: And if you potential funders are out there, I'm ready to make it and ready to ride it.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_08: But seriously, as you already know, the story of Special Effort is one of my favorite topics, and it's something that we discussed from a lot of different angles here on the podcast, and hearing it from the fellow that was on top of him, riding him to the wire in all of these huge events gives us great perspective, and it's a great story.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_08: There's so many things in this podcast with Billy that I didn't know ahead of time, and love to bring it to you here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly, and let's get right to our special guest.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_08: Billy, thanks so much again for joining us here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_18: Well, you're welcome.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_18: Thanks for having me.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_08: Billy, the times that I've had you on before, certainly surrounding triple crown stuff about uh when the uh triple crown run was happening a couple years ago.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_08: And uh actually we had two triple crown runs since I've probably last talked with you.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_08: And we've always focused on special effort stuff, but really there's just so much more depth in the story about Billy Hunt, uh the race rider, and that's kind of where I wanted to go.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_08: And one of the things about social media, Billy, is that it gives people an opportunity to kind of look at some of these old photos and kind of get the narrative of what's gone on in your life.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_08: And and one thing that jumps out at me when you're looking at stuff on Billy Hunt's Facebook page is it's the amount of jockeys that are in one family.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_08: You you come from a father who was a rider, and your mother was also a rider.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_08: So kind of give me the basis of it.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_08: Seems like you didn't have a choice but to become a race rider, Billy.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_18: No, uh that's right.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_18: My mom, she rode, and my dad, and then my uncle.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_18: And and I really wasn't actually at first planning on riding there and stuff.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_18: I was more into tractors and things there and stuff.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_18: But one day my dad uh had this uh guy working for him there.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_18: He he was actually a steward here at Remington for a while.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_18: He was sick and he had a couple of horses that was real easy to take and stuff, and he talked me into galloping them one day, and that just kind of got me hooked right there.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_18: And then from then on I started doing it.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_08: I had seen a a picture of you, and it was you mentioned on the caption there, it was your first win.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_08: It was bore, I believe it was a Shetland that you had raced against your your brother and and all and and it said you were thirteen, so literally coming from a family of jockeys, you kind of got a later start, it seems like, uh as as it as it pertains to your first win.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_08: So it does show your reluctance to actually go in the direction of all the other family members that were definitely race right riding oriented.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_18: Riding the Shetland deals there, my grandfather, step-grandfather, he had a farm there in uh Uliga, Oklahoma, and it was like 360 acres, and he had a couple of ponies out there, and I used to catch this one all the time and ride around out there, and there was some places to ride and stuff, and I built little forts out there and stuff.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_18: So I was always riding them from I don't know how old I was doing that.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_18: Me and my sister.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_18: And then my brother got had the pony that was was racing too, and he was he was more serious.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_18: He had the the jockey boots and the helmet of the head and really racing out of the gates all the time, you know.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_18: Every time dad would be working some horses, they'd let him slip him in on the inside there and stuff.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_18: And I don't know how old he wasn't very old at all when he was doing it.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_18: But then I kind of got into it later.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_18: The race that race deal there was kind of there was some extra deals going on, and then I ended up winning the race and my brother ran second.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_18: And then the other one in there is quite the deal there.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_18: Nowadays I don't think they can even do that kind of stuff.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_18: You know, it's too much too much insurance things and stuff, I would imagine.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_08: You know, it's uh it just goes to show back in the day where you kind of had the minor leagues of being able to grow, which of course the modern day version of that is the match races, even though it's so frowned upon because of what goes on there.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_08: But really learning how to ride and and kind of cutting their teeth and and the minor leagues of before they go onto the racetrack is the the the match races.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_08: But back in the day with you guys, you had those Shetlands working your way up, and I know you had ridden those.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_18: My first win, first race was a match match races in a place called Hidden Valley Downs in Kansas.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_18: And my dad and a lot of people went out there, and all it was was just a straightaway that ran off into the trees out there and stuff, you know.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_18: They didn't even run thoroughbreds or nothing, just the way they did if they pulled in there and trailers and sat around drink beer or whatever and talk and ended up with races going on, there'd be like three and four in a race there and stuff.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_18: I got started like that.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_08: When did you get serious about your race riding uh career and and uh did you made the choice that you were going to be a jockey?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_18: At Eureka Downs there and stuff.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_18: They when I was uh in high school and I turned sixteen and they ran a lot of races.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_18: Well at that time it was the capital of Kansas racing, even though there wasn't car mutuals, but they had a couple of pretty big fraternities there and even people like Dwayne Lucas and trainers like that were raced there at that time, you know what I mean?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_18: Um I got to riding quite a bit there and then got lucky and met some people and ended up going to Ratone, New Mexico and uh Denver.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_18: And then I got to really doing I got leading writer at both places there eventually and then I got talked into going to Riadoza.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_18: That was a the all American and the bigger deals there and stuff.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_18: And then started out and by the next year I was doing pretty good there and that's where it went.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_08: Billy coming from Kansas and all, and riding Eureka and going over to Ratone, most of those places ran both thoroughbreds and quarter horses.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_08: I'm assuming I I I believe you rode both both ways.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_18: Yes.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_18: I at that time I I rode a lot of thoroughbreds and at r especially at Ratone there.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_18: I I never really I didn't have no secretariats or nothing like that, you know what I mean?
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_18: I didn't but I rode a lot for a lot of guys that had pretty decent horses and I won a lot of quite a few thoroughbred races.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_18: But at that time, whenever I was riding thoroughbreds, they wanted you to really be able to be able to tack 111 and stuff like that.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_18: Not like nowadays.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_18: It's not there's not so much emphasis on real life, even though what is it, the Kentucky Derby I think carries 126 or something like that, you know what I mean?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_18: And but then it was they wanted you to really be a to do the 111, 114 and stuff like that all the time.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_09: Well you're not the shortest jockey that I've ever run across, but were you more of you was it something that you had to fight with your weight or is it eventually light?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_18: I did quite a bit and I I could do 20 fairly easy there and stuff, you know.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_18: Like I couldn't just go overboard and be doing uh craziness all the time, you know, but as long as I stuck to my diets and everything was cool.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_18: And then even nowadays that with uh I think all of these races now they're carrying 126 and stuff, I kinda thought that was great there.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_18: So I wouldn't even have a diet at all.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_18: And then that's another thing, just like the Thorbreds, quarter horse riders, they was wondering why you was even a pound overweight.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_18: So those some of those trainers, you know, like, hey, what's going on, especially in stake races?
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_18: Like overnight races and stuff weren't so bad, but you know, you're going for the money, why not make have somebody that makes the weight, you know what I'm saying?
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_08: Billy As mentioned, you came from a race riding family.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_08: You had mom and dad, both and uncle were both writers.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_08: You starting there at Eureka Downs, as well as moving over to Ratone, talk about some of those influential writers that were the older guys in the room that kind of took Billy under his wing and and maybe showed you a few things or really kind of guided you.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_18: Yeah, Ratone there and stuff.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_18: There was some like Don Mooney and uh Charlie Smith.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_18: My dad, he learned w at my dad's where I did there and uh Hooligal there and stuff, used to come out there and gallop horses at my dad's place there and stuff, and then he went to California and really did good out there.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_09: Hall of Fame career, yes, with out of town.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_18: Yeah.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_18: So it was I was around a lot of stuff there.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_18: Even some of my first jobs was I for I can't think of the trainer's name right now just talking, but one of my first jobs, I used to uh after school go water horses at Stroud, Oklahoma, and then a guy paid uh I worked for a stereo and some tapes and stuff.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_18: Just to I'd go there and check the water on them at five o'clock every day.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_18: You know, like they trusted me with things like that.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_18: That was before I was old enough to ride.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_08: But I used to go to the races all the time there and stuff and well you wouldn't have called Kansas really it wasn't the big leagues of racing, even you know, even I don't really think there's any period of time you would call it the have called it the big leagues in, you know, especially in the quarter horse world, New Mexico was where the place to be, or California when you went out there.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_08: Talk about competing against some of those bigger name guys.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_18: And they try I had a couple agents wanted me to go to California, and I s at that time I really wasn't ready to I stayed and which turned out to be good.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_18: I was at Santa Fe there and a couple of those guys said, Hey, why don't you come to California and ride instead of staying around here and then eventually I did go out there.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_18: Johnny we took a marriage called Easy Angel and she outrun a pie in the sky who won the All American.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_11: Mm-hmm.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_18: And she outrun streaking six in the Kansas trials.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_18: She made the consolation though, and then we didn't run her back, but in the trial she beat Streakin Six, and then out there she beat Pie in the Sky three times.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_18: And then she got hurt right before the trials with All American.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_18: She was rolling in the stall and hurt her back leg and had to scratch her.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_18: I was sick.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_18: And then especially after I watched Pie in the Sky win the the All American, and you know, you never know if she was gonna make it or not, but that might have been another All American for me right there.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_18: And then that pretty much ended her.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_18: They did some surgeries on her, but she never came back a hundred percent.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_18: But she was the first she won both those fraternities, the Dasher Cash and the kindergarten out in Los Alamitas, and was the first horse to have made over like six hundred or seven hundred thousand by July.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_18: And that was and then was going into the All American, so there was a chance she could have been the first millionaire there and stuff if that hadn't happened to her.
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  SPEAKER_04: All right, back to the show.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_08: Leading into the the the narrative of you and your partnership with Johnny Goodman.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_08: Talk about talk about your first recollections of meeting Johnny.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_18: Well, um that was a weird deal there because he qualified a horse called Kami Gata, a filling called Biffy Pass for the All-American, and Richard Vaughn was riding for him.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_18: And my agent at the time, Donnie Stirr, said I could get you on this other horse.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_18: And I'd never rode an All-American or had qualified one for it yet.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_18: And I thought that was great, and they put me on it.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_18: And I ended up running third in the finals, and the other horse of his didn't do any good.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_18: Well then that fall there I was riding for a guy named H.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_18: C.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_18: Warner, and I was messing around up there in Colorado for a while and didn't make it back in time, and he was running short of help and he'd already hired another rider there, so I was kinda out of I focused mostly on him at the time.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_18: So then I went over and saw talked to Johnny and said I'd help him before the Denver meet there for second call on that horse.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_18: Then I ended up getting the whole stable after galloping and working around there for about a month.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_18: He just gave me the whole stable.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_18: So I thought, well, that was kinda cool.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_18: Then he ended up going to Denver and we got leading trainer and leading rider there, which of course we had those horses I'm talking about, like an all-American qualifier and then two year old called Passum West.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_18: He won both those maturities there and all the derbies there.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_18: And they all set track records and of course those was like unreal horses to be bringing to that track at the time, you know.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_18: And everything just went from there.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_18: The next thing you know, then the next year we had uh Easy Angel.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_18: And from then on they just almost had something every year.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_08: Billy for those that are listening that didn't get to know Johnny, uh, and you know, Johnny's one of those figures or w one of those uh narrative characters that people talk a lot about, about his uh not only his uh training abilities, accomplishments, but Johnny was had a giant personality.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_08: Talk tell the people that are listening that didn't know Johnny what kind of an individual Johnny was.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_18: He was just uh to me, he was always me and him got along good and and he was an exceptional trainer, I thought there and stuff, so and he was always looking for horses, you know, and he had a couple of good people that he trained for there that had money and stuff that that was could afford some nice horses and everything just was clicking right at the time there and stuff.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_18: And he had exceptional people working for him and stuff there that was the best.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_09: Talk about some of those people that worked for for Johnny.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_18: Well, he had uh like Dennis Blackman and he had uh uh Ernest Finale that he galloped a lot for him and broke horses for him.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_18: And then he had a horseshoe called Tom Dooley, and he always told me he was the best horse shoe in the world, and I didn't ever question it because he told me he was always telling me there wasn't a horse he couldn't shoe that he couldn't make run faster.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_18: And I believed him because uh he proved it to me in several cases, now whether it was just coincidence or whatever, but you know, and there's a lot of things too shoeing a horse that probably a lot of people don't understand realize, you know, like it's kinda like wearing a pair of shoes.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_18: You have a pair that feels good on you and then you have some that don't, you know, like so I'm sure a horse is probably exactly like that.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_18: And then especially horses that that hit or things like that, he could stop that, he always told me.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_18: He said if they you know had problems with not maybe cutting their leg or something with their own feet, just things like that that convinced me, you know, now whether there was truth to it or not.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_08: But so as mentioned, those two horses, of course, you qualify he he qualified those two, and Richard Vaughn.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_08: could only ride one and you you picked up the other mound and then you had mentioned Call Me an Angel.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_08: Native Gambler would have been the other one in the lineup that really kind of jumped out as when you really started getting some momentum with the the Goodman stable as being the the first call rider there.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_08: So talk about Native Gambler.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_18: He was a horse but of all the horses that I had there and stuff he was he never was really good at at leaving the gate.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_18: He would like sometimes spot him a half a side or more before he would and it wasn't because he was messing up in the gate or nothing.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_18: I don't know.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_18: But a lot of times he especially when he was two in the first races when he was three he always drew the inside so he stood in the gate for a long time but he would always run him down like him and Denim and Diamonds had one of the he like the next knot he caught her and running and before the All American Derby and when she was world champion and everything running as fast as she could run and those two ran down there like and I know he could outrun her and he did.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_18: Well then she got scratched in the All American Derby so it kind of made it easy for him to win that.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_18: He just cruised down through there in an easy all American Derby win.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_18: And he had qualified for a lot of stuff and he just would sometimes that's that what was what would cost him was those breaks.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_18: He rarely ran worse than second.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_18: He if he didn't catch him he was just about doing it.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_08: Would you say he's underrated meaning he's he doesn't get enough accolades.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_08: During that period of time Billy the 79, the 80 and the 81 year uh we can't compare any period of time in quarter horse racing to that run of dominance up there on the mountain.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_08: In 1980, of course that's when high Easter jet enters the picture there for you in the Goodman stable and that's of course after having the success with Native Gambler talk to me about high Easter jet and what kind of a horse he was as well.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_18: He was unbelievable there.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_18: See he they his first race at in Riyedosa was the rainbow trials and he drew the one ho and he had been running in Texas and those you know in Columbus and whatnot there, those around in there.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_18: Anyway the starters in those days and all those they were behind the gates with a rope they just pulled and opened them.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_18: They weren't the fancy deals like it is now.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_11: Mm-hmm.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_18: And so he had never seen really a starter you know how they stand in front of the gates now.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_18: Uh-huh and he kind of saw I you know I really never thought about it and he kind of ducked a tiny bit on there.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_18: It really wasn't even that much but they disqualified him.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_18: Because of that he didn't make the finals to the Rainbow Fraternity.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_18: And he almost even get to win the All American fraternity because at that time Jerry Highsmith they he wasn't uh didn't have a whole lot of money there and stuff to be paying penalties and stuff like that.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_18: And Johnny and this Claremore I think was his name there and they all went together and paid the penalty and put him in the All American because they missed the payment on it?
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_18: No, they he wasn't in it.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_18: He was just in the the Rainbow fraternity so they and he couldn't afford it so like they three of them went together that Alan Taylor all of them went together and put him in there and then he ended up winning it.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_18: So that was kind of a weird story there really yeah.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_08: Talk about him as I when you first r really started getting on him there uh you know as mentioned he had ran in Texas prior to coming up on the mountain.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_08: What was your the thing that stood out with the first time you started getting on him?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_18: Well he was always you know he was nice we he was one of those deals you never know about that they're gonna win the whole deal or nothing but you know he was the caliber of a horse that could do it and I had another horse that he didn't end up doing it but he was the the year before high Easter jet is the horse I was telling you that won both those deals in Denver his name was Passum West and he had ran in uh Columbus Texas in a the big fraternity they had there at that time and he made the consolation to that there was I don't know how many trials.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_18: Well then in the finals of that consolation speaking of gate deals we were they were all loaded and there was just me and another horse I had drew the 10 hole and we were they were loading the other one in the some horse like in the five hole acted up and the threw the rider off and the rider grabbed for something like just reflexes you know and grabbed that rope and kicked the gates and now took off and I wasn't even in there.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_18: You know it's kind of funny now they're well then they you know had to give everybody their money back because they just split it but that was probably the good deal because he had shipped a knee by the time the last deal up there in Denver was and but he had won both of those deals and probably if you know if he hadn't run in those he might have been in all American himself you know he just there wasn't nothing left of him after Denver but he won both those fraternities up there and made quite a bit of money and he was like one of those horses that didn't win all America and that was capable of it.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_18: And running at Denver at the time there when he broke one track record but Call Megata was breaking all the track records.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_18: Every time he ran a race just about he broke his own track record and then had another horse called uh Llama Vista man and I never he never did get beat three hundred yards and stuff.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_18: He actually outrun Melody Glass and the only race she lost when she was three and she won the I think the triple crown of three year olds.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_18: And he outrun her and he shattered the track record at Denver like by twenty one hundreds for three hundred yards or something like that.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_18: And those horses those is unbelievable to bring those kind of horses same thing as like in when special effort was run in that stable that Johnny had at that time between high easter jet native gambler special effort 71 South a bunch of claimers that were would win during every time they'd run all in one barn.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_18: You know what I mean?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_18: Yeah that was usually that's just doesn't happen.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_08: Let's go back to 1980 on the the all American day uh you're in the one hole with high easier jet explain the hump to the people that don't know what I'm talking you when you explained it to me.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_16: Explain the hump and and what how it kind of uh it aided horses on sometimes when uh when the horses hit the hump well I don't know if it really aided a lot of I guess it could have though that much but on him that day and you know it was that's before they built the whole straightaway for at Riyado and and eliminated thoroughbreds running around there and grinding up digging up the inside because they run both so but there is a little bit of a you know from the grade of the turns on the for those thurbreds there's a little bit of a slope right there and it and that day high easter jet when he he broke even though in if you listen to the replay at the Bob Deach he announced he says that high uh Mighty deck three was in front but he wasn't he high Easter jet was he was in front from the word go here comes uh Mighty deck three takes the early lead up along the inside Rock A on the rim high Easter jet moving strongly here comes home muddle and up along the outside rail it's Mr Connie high Easter jet on the inside Mighty deck three it's a driving finish and I'll tell you when that's very close to win between high Easter jet and uh Mighty deck three high Easter jet mighty held up he just like hit that hump with the right step to kind of just like you if you was walking off of a step or something and you you didn't fall down but it just made you walk forward more.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_18: That just shot him even more out there and there just wasn't no catching him.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_08: When you crossed the wire on your first all American fraturity win Billy I mean this is you coming from a a racetrack family you're coming from a family of jockeys uh your father went on and became a trainer as well you've reached the pinnacle there in the sport in 1980 talk to me about the I guess the the joy you must have felt winning your first one.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_18: Well it was that whole week see I just at that time they ran the the All American Derby the week before so I had won that on a I on Native Gambler Gambler.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_18: And that was you know a major at that time a lot of people don't realize when Native Gambler won the All American Derby it was the richest race in the world.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_18: It was more than the All American they had put that money in s savings like they do now for to help for the Derby to be more and it was more than the all American the All American Derby that year is the only year that it was worth more than the fraternity was worth and so that was quite the deal and then I like when the gates came open on the All American fraternity like you know I he was out you don't know if you're gonna win it or not you know but he was out there and then after a while like a they're not gonna catch him and they didn't it was a weekend that you just you you could dream about it but you couldn't imagine it being real.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_18: And that's the way it was for me there.
• 32:04
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• 32:20
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• 32:22
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• 32:29
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• 32:32
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• 32:43
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• 32:49
  SPEAKER_08: Of course you would call 1980 a gigantic year for you and uh but if the looking back on your career 81 would have had to been the magical career because you not only have a native gambler in the barn, you had high Easter jet as a three year old and now you have this superstar that uh that everybody what we we always revert back to at special efforts run of the Triple Crown.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_08: Talk to me about the in that era going around the barn every morning there about how it was a just a happy time around the Goodman barn of of uh you know you guys that just were super confident that you had a lot of lot of gun bullets in the gun.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_18: But it was you know ever he was trying to stay focused on everything.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_18: And every week something was going on almost between because there were you had special effort you had high easter jet you had native gamblers still running in the Gold Cup and stuff which he won those and some other deals going on.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_18: So it was like there was always something going on.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_18: And then I had you know I got hurt at Albuquerque after high easter jet there when I went there to that fair meet.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_18: So I was you know had recovered from that and was doing good.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_18: So it was like a kind of like the unbelievable year type deal.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_18: And then just from the start when on special effort you know when they was started there in Goliad and they was wanting to buy him all that then they did offer the million dollars which I couldn't believe when Johnny told me that he said I think they're gonna sell in special effort which that normally you know they go to another barn and that's the end of you.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_18: Maybe sometimes the rider will still get to ride it again.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_18: So I thought well this is great you know we're gonna lose the horse and I won't be able to ride him anymore you know what I mean and especially because who bought him Herschel's at that time Blaine Wood's dad Leo trained for them so I figured you know he's gonna go there but that was one of the stipulations of the of the sale was that he stayed where he was at.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_18: I think all the parties involved at that time didn't want to take the chance that that's the reason that he didn't run good or he ran better or whatever.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_18: They just stay right there because of the amount of money they paid for him.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_18: That's my only thing.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_18: And at that time Jerry Burgess rode for them so I'm sure that's who would have rode him.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_09: Then think of how close it could have been some uh a different different story of the answer.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_18: I'm almost surprised it didn't I think I really the only reason I think maybe is because there was so much money involved they didn't want to chance even messing with the formula that was racing right at you know it was working.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_18: They weren't going to chance that they could have made him run faster or slower.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_18: You know what I mean just okay let's leave him right where he's at but I figured that I assumed that's probably what was going to happen which you know I was be happy for them selling him and everything but for my part it would have been especially after the way it turned out you know I would have lost out.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_18: Like I was saying that's what when Johnny called me and said hey they're I don't know if it was that day or the next day that he said hey they're gonna go ahead and leave him here so we get to keep him till at least till at that time it was for sure till the his two year old year.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_18: And then he ended up keeping him for three too but you know one of those deals.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_08: Billy one of the traits that I have noticed on one of the elite race riders at the time uh you know during your period of time you you've had to have had the a a lot of confidence in your ability to be a race rider.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_08: I I've seen a lot of the top race riders in the in the world and they have that confidence they have that confidence in their ability but having a scenario where they come and actually offer and and accept a million dollars to buy a two year old that's only qualified into a a a fraturity as well was really unbelievable you know that and you could see why at that time Les Willis he owned even you know he was into he was out of construction business and stuff there.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_18: And his dream was to win you know to all of it to win all American and stuff but you know that was too much money to resist I guess you know like even they took the money and that would have been a great trivia question Billy I would have never gotten it I I don't think I've ever heard who was the the owner that Bill the Urshals bought the horse from yeah he was an I he was a quite the guy there he had a big old construction company and and it was really weird about crazy is he had he always drove a Cadillac and he had like I don't know every one that he he had like five or six of them had a one of those pole barns kind of and he would just trade and get a new one all the time there and he left old ones all setting out there.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_18: I at that time I didn't think much about it now it kind of gets me that he always had all those out there.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_08: Well with there being a million dollar price tag paid for this two year old that only had qualified was there added pressure to you riding for Johnny?
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_18: Well more so just when you would get legged up to gallop or to do anything with him you know it wasn't like your average horse anymore you was actually in control of a million dollars you know like if he ducked you off or got off and ran through the fence and hurt himself or something it was kinda on you, you know so there that part of the pressure kind of in a way there I d you know we never had no problems like that.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_18: But and then just the the pressures of the all of the hype going on that you know there was a chance that he could win the triple crown, you know he was and especially after the rainbow because a lot of horses had shipped in for that and from Louisiana's and some of the bigger tracks, the ones that was running they ran in those trials and and I outran a couple of them with well I picked up of I had the second fastest time that day in the rainbow with a horse of Jerry Burgess as he got hurt and uh rode for him.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_18: She said the second fastest time and outrun a horse that was had been running winning things in Louisiana.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_18: Then I qualified another horse 71 South and we had just got him from a guy there and he had just had a couple outs but he was looking like he was a nice horse.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_18: Well he ended up winning the consolation to the All American and and that day the way he ran I have no doubt that he would have if he would have made the final he just barely missed the final.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_18: He won his trial heat by quite a wave and had like a twelfth turn or something.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_18: And he would have uh he would have ran second.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_18: You know, and if special effort wasn't in the race he would have probably won all there that's how good he was but and he ended up winning the consolation by I think a length of daylight or so there just never even died just he just cruised down through there.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_18: But those was that's the only thing on the pressure deal was like more so something happened to him, you know.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_18: And I'd already dealt with uh like I told you earlier about easy angel getting hurt right before the All American trials, you know, having to watch sit on the sidelines you might say there I 'cause I didn't have she was way the best horse that I had that year and she couldn't even run in the trial.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_18: And it was a freak accident, you know there they had a person night watchman and everything.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_18: It's just she they had those iron gates and she rolled and stuck her foot through that gate and I don't know how it didn't break her leg off, you know what I mean?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_18: But it slipped out and obviously injured her bad but and a lot of people if I'd had something like that I'd have been watching her closer than that.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_18: But it was just one of those deals that you never know what can happen to a horse, you know like weird things happening.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_08: Billy with the special effort story um in order to have won the triple crown he had to go through eight races there that that year on the mountain because of the elimination trial and the the time trial scenario there was two sets of trials for the rainbow and two sets of trials for the all-American but the one trial for the Kansas at the time at when you were getting into the point to where you were on say race number six or race number seven prior to going into the all-American finals was there ever an assumption or just you're just waiting for the the other shoe to fall where this horse is just going to be so tired out eventually that this is this run that we're having is just going to come to an end just maybe even just because of fatigue?
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_18: Yes sir all of that you know and even just the the day the all American trials it rained once sat there and it rained quite a bit then the sun came out and it dried up some and then came some more rain so you never know how the track's going to change with especially with that amount of trials and everything there and and to this day a lot of that's the deal like the winds can come up and you don't even make the finals nothing to do with the fatigue or just not making it because of those reasons those or horse break into you and there's a lot of those factors that can come in that you know just beside just even though you've got think you have the best horse there's still things that other things that can happen.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_08: And you're always thinking about that, you know what about the media attention from the uh from the time you did win the rainbow and now you're sitting on the potential of uh running into the triple crown with us and it and also him getting past the elimination and then in the trial talk about the immediate attention that you were getting well I didn't really do a lot of that stuff at that time I wasn't too much into talking.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_18: I wish I would have been more then at that time because I I didn't mean to be the snub person, you know, or anything like that.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_18: But I wasn't into doing a whole lot of going to I didn't go to those qualifying parties and things like that.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_18: For one thing 'cause I was riding and you know they were usually late at night and stuff.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_18: So I didn't do a lot of that stuff.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_18: So but there was a lot and especially because of the price that they paid for him so that alone was getting him quite a bit of attention.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_08: And the syndication stuff that was going on as well with that happened then there came in that this guy that he was the head of that.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_18: He was a broker deal you know and did a lot of horse syndications and things but he was b by far the biggest deal there and stuff on that.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_18: Mm-hmm this guy had a his own plane and everything flew around to those deals and Billy re recount the story about the the the motorcycle about how you won't needed it to have the three kinda to kinda just to get away from the scene around there and then at the time, right after the trials t and he had qualified to the rainbow.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_18: Well and all the horses that I had at that time that we had had already been tracked and everything.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_18: So there was like a a week type deal that I didn't even need to gallop anything there at the barn.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_18: You know what I'm saying?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_18: Of those horses.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_18: That's why I went down there when we bought those that motorcycle and stuff that it ended up doing that.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_18: And that got us away from people coming to the barn wanting to talk and things like that to actually be gone.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_18: You know what I'm saying?
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_18: He already had a motorcycle.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_18: He had one of the coolest ones you ever seen in your life there.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_18: And I even rode it a couple of times there and he let me ride it.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_18: I can't believe he did because it uh and I ended up buying one.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_18: So the mileage thing yes we drove I drove it all the way back from Austin to Riyados and then around in there and it just so happened that it like almost had three thousand miles on it before the night before the All American and not being superstitious or nothing but I thought I just should roll it in there with exactly 3,000 miles on it.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_18: And I did I rolled it around when it when I brought it in the door of that apartment yeah the speedometer changed over to exactly 3,000.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_18: And I thought I had to do that or I'll say if he if he would have got beat I was going to blame it on that.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_18: Me not doing it.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_18: You know what I'm saying?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_08: Take us to the Labor Day of 1981 uh like a monsoon torrential rain type of day there in Riodoso.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_08: So kind of talk to me about all the events leading up and and also you also won a repeated all American derby the the same year with High Easter Jet came back and not only won the all American Fix the year before.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_18: I won the Silver Cup was Native Gambler that week to that week before there and stuff.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_18: So there's already been quite a bit of things there and and the rainbow derby there was a lot of stuff already that had been done that was unbelievable and then he was the topper of it all right there when he was running.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 46:24
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• 47:22
  SPEAKER_18: Billy take me to that day there in Labor Day in 81 well it was raining you know and the the one thing that made me feel better is I remember the day they drew and I wait I drove around town there for a while and finally drove back out to the track and they put out you know the overnights after they draw I didn't go to the draw.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_18: And I drove out there and got an overnight and I saw that he had drew the 10 hole and I thought well you know that just eliminated any him getting run over by anything or him doing anything out there.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_18: So the stage was set and there was and I already knew that he liked being a he drew the eight hole and the I think the Kansas he won out of the eight hole and he won the rainbow out of the four.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_18: And then a couple I think one of the two of the tri other trials he had ran in had somewhere like in the eight and the nine.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_18: So he had been out there and he runs he ran good he actually ran good no matter where he was at.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_18: But the outside was just seemed to me to be the best, especially with the way the track was gonna be and muddy and everything.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_18: So that took us some more ease off the deal.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_18: That day of the fraternity I only had him I rode the him and the the consolation so and there was a race in between the fraternity and the consolation so that was kind of a a warm-up race too that I had.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_18: But then I he ended up winning that so I thought that was like cutting down my chances of winning you know plus with the other things won but you know you gotta wasn't going to lose that race just so I'd have a better chance of winning the other one you know eight exclusive roll on number nine and on the outsummit position the favorite going for Commodore Horse racing history.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_18: After they kicked it about fifty yards down the track unless something happened to him I knew there was no way they were going to run him and it was pretty much in the in the bag you might say and I you know it's uh it was an incredible feeling after he crossed the wire that uh you know it's uh it was really unbelievable that he had done it.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_18: It was just like a crazy deal.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_08: Billy after the uh amazing two-year-old season uh of him he's named world champion uh uh for his two-year-old season as well and then bleeds on into his three-year-old campaign and and and wins one up there on the mountain as a three-year-old but he certainly wasn't the giant that he was as a two year old going in uh I guess throughout his three year old season he that's really a really an understatement in the way the way it turned out because I actually and believed it that he was going to do something even more incredible than just winning the triple crown.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_18: He was going to do a double crown because he won the first leg so easy and was doing so good.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_18: And then a lot of people don't realize that he won his rainbow derby trial league by three links at least and had like the 11th or 12th time so we didn't run him but had he made that right there if he had made those finals they wouldn't have outrun him in the finals unless something weird happened.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_18: He was at a chance of possibly doing two triple crowns which would have been totally insane and then his mishap in the All American Derby he just I don't know what the deal was he just didn't break very good and he couldn't run those two down.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_18: He ran the rest of them down but you know and that happens to the best of them though sooner or later something you know might happen and which it could have happened in all those other races.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_18: But uh I really believe that he had a chance and of course that's a lot of horses have chances even winning any fraternity you know when something happens but I really thought he was going to win the triple crown of three year olds.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_08: Billy the um they didn't start the world champion trainer or ch world champion jockey awards until 1985.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_08: I think looking back on it it would have been uh you'd almost would have been a shoe in for be for yourself to have been named back to back world champion jockey in 1980 and 1981.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_18: Well I I would think so with especially with those deals happening I would probably for sure believe that and they had a special award deal there I have a these plaques I didn't even make it to that a guy went for me because well that was when special effort was running but there's a plaque everywhere that's kind of what they this the whole I don't know if there was if you ever heard of a magazine called the All American Review.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_18: Mm-hmm seen it they they had this as in recognition of WRHU Native Gambler All American Derby 1980 winner presented by All American Review.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_08: They did things like that to the trainers and riders and horses Billy I know you've I've interviewed you at least three times maybe four times about the uh the All-American run and of course I keep thinking of new things to ask you each time I do it.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_08: I'm assuming this has probably been when people want to come talk to Billy Hunt about his racing career the first thing they go to is is the triple crown run of special offer.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_08: I guess so I'm assuming it never gets boring.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_18: No because it's uh you know it's one of those things that you can't really believe it even happened, you know and then and then especially for you you were the one that did it so it was a and that whole year like I said not just that the other stuff that makes that year just really for three or four years there there was some amazing things going on for me that that every year was like how are you going to do any do anything different and it just kept getting crazier.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_08: Billy um I'm gonna ask the unfair question you've you've named three big horses that you had the opportunity to ride and some of their biggest wins in their career the high Easter jet native gambler and special effort is it safe to say special effort was definitely would have towered over the other two as two year olds yes I have I have to I always can't never leave high Easter jet out because a lot of people don't realize that high Easter jet almost did something maybe more incredible than special effort.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_18: He won the All American fraternity the all American derby the all American Gold Cup and then the all-American championship or whatever it was kind of called at that time so for four years four years in a row did some weird some accomplishments that I don't know I don't think any horse has even done that yet I think the latter the one that high easter gets they they have this one lady I got it that they have during that all American they have a lot of those stands and stuff you know people doing artwork and things and she painted a picture there of the like the uncrowned champion I think it's that's kind of that's kind of what he is there you know a lot of people don't realize they always put him down as the horse that lucked out and won the All American but they don't realize all the things he lucked out and did.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah he had a lot of luck Billy yeah so uh if you want to put it like that you know yeah uh Billy another another amazing stat that you are the the the holder of is there's you're one of three jockeys that have won back to back all American fraturities.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_08: You and Jockey Martin and Cody Jensen have won back to back all American fraternity wins.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_18: However, you're the only one that's and there's been plenty of others that have won the all-American and the all-American derby in the same year but no one and I mean no one is gonna even come close to winning the all-American uh derby and the all-American fraturity in in two consecutive years it's just just no way and also throw in native gamblers winning the all-American derbies three consecutive all-American derbies in a row uh it that's just an amazing feat just it was uh and like I said at that time it was amazing that you could have that many good horses you know that world that ended up being world champions in their own deal that's one person had you know like usually that that just doesn't happen.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_08: Billy the career path d discussion now you know you had those big years and then then you kind of left racing and you didn't come back I I know you worked for autot for for a lot of years there at Sunland Park but I went for United toad I worked for that for 40 years.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_18: Talk about ending your riding career and what circumstances came about that that caused the end of it when I decided I wasn't going to be able to ride uh I uh was at I was at uh my mom was running the jockeys kitchen there in Sutherland Park and I'd gone down there to visit her my dad was working with Joe Thomas I don't know if you ever heard of him or not there and stuff he had a lot of good horses there in Kansas and I was there with him for with dad there that fall and then I went out to see my mom and then I ended up uh talking to some people and got decided to go to s back to school and I was doing my uh medical I was going into nursing possibly a doctor or whatever graduated but then I was making some extra money and at that time United Toke had got Riyados's contract and I had got a job I was selling tickets.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_18: My mom knew the mutual manager there and they needed help at some so I was selling tickets for a while to make some extra money and then one of United Tokes employees there got to be in good friends with me and visiting with me every day and he told me he said hey they're they're gonna need some help here going to Rio Dosa are you interested and I said sure.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_18: Well then I ended up liking messing with a computer and working with United Tokes that I quit the college deal there and didn't with them till I retired.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_18: It's going on two years now there.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_18: I worked at Kentucky Derby one year and went to several deals I went to North Dakota and Idaho places to run meets there and stuff.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_18: So it was an interesting deal doing that.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_08: I really enjoyed it the people were extra nice to me and that's where I ended up Billy I'm gonna fire wave with a couple short questions.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_08: Of all the racetracks that you rode at what would you say would be one of your favorites?
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_18: You know I I have to be partial to Riadoza you know at the time there that I had a a lot of luck at California I rode out there for a while there.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_08: The jockey that you competed up against that you thought was one of the toughest jockeys that you've ever come across one of the tight the toughest competitors that you've run across well you know at the time Jackie Martin you could never leave he was the one of the hardest working people you ever knew he wrote to ride every trial heat there in Riados uh Riadosa and was out every morning working and that's why he did as good as he did I would say you know because he was earned everything he was doing.
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  SPEAKER_18: Gotcha um horse that you didn't ride that uh that was maybe the fastest horse that you ever saw throw a special effort out it this is a horse that you actually chased down the lane if you can think of one of the I never uh I don't one of the fastest ones that I never didn't ride that I was lucky enough to mess with was a horse called Mido Wise Dancer and Bubba Warner had him at that time and they had just retired him to stand at stud and Johnny Booscomani was working for him and they were still galloping him once in a while and he he outrun I don't know if you've heard of Dash for Cash I've heard of him I think we've all heard of him and he outrun in an all American derby speaking of those he outrun Dash for cash and they was galping when Johnny Boost you want to take him and I said well sure and I saw how he was good enough to beat Dash for Cash just by doing that.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_18: So that's probably one of the horses that I never rode in a race but I was fortunate enough to just gallop him one time after he had retired.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_18: So I can't imagine how good he was when he was actually running.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_18: Yes and and then I had another horse that I didn't that I rode called Coming Easy that Warner had that he made the all-American and they had to scratch him in the finals and I took him a lot.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_18: Those were a couple of horses that I actually never chased down in races but I know they were good and didn't ever get the recognition that well Mida Wisemancer I think he kind of did there and stuff but he was like really an unbelievable horse.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_08: You know Billy around the racetrack people that are historian and love the the story around special effort of course there's plenty of those Johnny Goodman stories and and you have a great story about him owning a mountain lion so tell us about it.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_18: Well he something had happened to its tail or something there and the zoos wouldn't take it no more or something.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_18: I don't know what he ended up doing with it because that was uh after the deal there but he kept it there in Lockhart in Texas in his backyard there and he'd bring it in the house with one and he said oh they won't bother you I never did mess with it he'd wrestle it around in there and stuff you know I wasn't into wrestling no mountain line but he really did do those things you know and it it got loose he took it to Riodoza for a week there and stuff and it got out they had a place rented there behind the track and it got loose and run up the top of the mountain he had to go chase it down I don't know how I'm surprised you know now that would have been a that would have been a wildlife issue wouldn't it to absolutely would game wardens or something would be after you for those stories there.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_18: Especially with them getting loose and stuff there.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_18: So luckily it didn't turn out into the a bad deal you know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_18: Without a doubt.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_08: Well Billy always great to talk with you and we absolutely appreciate you coming and recollecting on your career as well as some of the great horses that you've ridden and gone down the lane on and we absolutely appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences here on the podcast with us.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_18: Well I appreciate it and I've been almost trying to watch every one of them I've watched listened to a bunch of them that you had there.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_08: I'm behind on tour three that I haven't had a chance but it's because I've been doing all these uh doctor deals kind of right now there's stuff for this tip thing and stuff I did but I always pay attention to your deals and enjoy them okay some of them are really nice articles alright thank you so very much for that Billy and we'll hopefully see you at the racetrack soon and thanks so much again for being on yes you have a good one okay quarter horse racing world the way you fuel your daily habit of getting quarter horse racing news we're about to change it daily you mean multiple times daily okay multiple times daily you see we're about to roll out the newest version of the industry leading news source at stalydsearch.com as we've seen the numbers we know you're looking at it on your phone we know this we've seen the numbers and not only are we expanding new features that you're going to think are game changers it's now super mobile friendly so prepare yourself free up your calendar it's gonna be something you're gonna sit and look at for hours Stallion E search 2.0 it's coming soon producing super daily users across the quarter horse racing industry all right let's get back to the podcast all right we're back here in the recap section looking at this big weekend of racing we just got done with a lot of big races happening out there at Retama Park including the restricted grade one T2HA stale fitity a$683,000 future for two year olds going 350 yards and here's the call from still Texas the four cattle it's cowboy's flooding external flooding cattle finish cowboy splendid Cowboys Funning is a two year old building by flying Cowboy 123 out of the colours cartel mayor cartel lady read by Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tommy Hayes owned by Double J Racing trained by Ramiro Villarreal and written by Nestor Duran at Ratama Park was the Ratama Park Derby at 1810
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're off.
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  SPEAKER_02: Quick break in the center track, that's the five.
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  SPEAKER_02: Royalist down towards the rail, JLC Showtime.
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  SPEAKER_02: On the far outside, here comes the six inflation.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_02: They race toward the finish.
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  SPEAKER_02: Royalist on the rail, JLC Showtime, but it's gonna be Royalist to take the Ratama Park Derby.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_02: And second, that's the sixth inflation.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_02: We'll wait for the photo for third.
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  SPEAKER_01: Royalist is a three-year-old cult by Corona Cartel out of the one famous Eagle Mare, Zigfield Follies.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_01: Bred by Veronica Kawana Nakoa, owned by Hector Reyna, trained by Ben Olivesen, and ridden by Luis Vavanko.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_08: As mentioned a lot of races out there at Tama Park, the restricted Grade 2 TQHA classic stakes for three-year-olds and up at 400 yards, almost a$70,000 purse attached to it.
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  SPEAKER_08: And here's the call.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're off.
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  SPEAKER_02: Quick break down towards the rail.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's the three sign of a jet right alongside.
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  SPEAKER_02: 9-1-1 in the center of the track.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's Cadillacking, and on the far outside is Cosper Tito.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_02: They sprint towards the finish.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now and the outside, that is the five.
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  SPEAKER_02: Cadillacking gets up to win it.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_01: Cadillacking is a four-year-old gelding by Lotta PYC out of the Dominion Mare, Miss Holland Chick.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_01: Trained by Delbert McDowell, owned and bred by Whitting Ranch, and ridden by Luis Favonco.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_08: Also there at Rotama Park, the restricted grade three TQHA 550 stakes, nearly$60,000 on the line.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_08: 550 yards is the distance for three-year-olds and up, and here's the call.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're off.
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  SPEAKER_02: First out of gate towards the outside.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the seven.
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  SPEAKER_02: No fax in the center to track.
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  SPEAKER_02: On the rocks on the far outside, it's Top Cowboy.
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  SPEAKER_02: They race toward the finish.
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  SPEAKER_02: No Facts has got the lead.
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  SPEAKER_02: On the Rocks is there.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_02: Here comes Top Cowboy starting to pick him up on the outside.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_02: We got three across the track.
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  SPEAKER_02: Top Cowboy now on the outside.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sticks ahead in front.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_02: On the Rocks tries to battle back, but it's gonna be Top Cowboy, your winner.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_01: Top Cowboy is a five-year-old gelding by Flying Cowboy123 out of the PYC Paint Your Wagon mare, Paradise City.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: Read by Tyler and Nia Graham, owned by Rodrigo Gonzalez and Levi Rem Racing LLC, trained by Mark Youngers and ridden by Luis Vavanco.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_08: Now we go out to the West Coast, Los Alamitas, the Governor's Cup Futurity Restricted Grade 1 event.
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  SPEAKER_08: 350 yards is the distance for two-year-olds,$290,000 on the line.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_08: And here's Michael Rona with the call.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_14: Racing! Dulce Luchadora missed the start conspicuously and so did Quite Perfect.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_14: Lonely at night is off well, together with she's just shining and out wide terrific favorite.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_14: And contentious is coming right through.
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  SPEAKER_14: Photo finish and contentious has won the Governor's Cup Futurity.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_14: Lonely at night, I think, second on the inside.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_01: Continuous is a two-year-old filly by favorite cartel out of the Stell Corona Mare Quirky.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_01: Read by Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Steve Burns, owned by Manuel Chavez and Jose Santos, trained by Paul Jones and ridden by Eduardo Nicasio.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_08: The two-year-olds went at it.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_08: Now it's time to look at the three-year-olds.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_08: 400 yards is the distance for the Governor's Cup Derby.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_08: Restricted grade three event,$165,000 on the line, and Michael Rona has the call.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_14: Racing! Dudar Cartel forced in a little bit by Marstros.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_14: Early pace coming from French Valley, Brother Ray slated to shine.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_14: Fancy up and Maya Humdinger.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_14: Dudar Cartel's working home well down the outside, but Brother Ray holds the lead from Dudar Cartel, Maya Humdinger, and Fancy Up.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_14: Photo finish! Close, Brother Ray, Maya Humdinger driving on the inside.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_01: Brother Ray is a three-year-old gilding by favorite cartel out of the Check Him Out Mare Tackout.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_01: Bred by Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Steve Burns, owned by Dr.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Steve Burns, Jose Flores, Gerardo Herrera, and Javier Rodriguez.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Trained by Jose Flores and ridden by Irving Lara.
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  SPEAKER_08: The older horses went after it in the grade one Spencer Childers, California Breeders Championship handicap,$100,000 on the line for three-year-olds and up, going 400 yards, and Michael Rona has the call.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_14: Up for everything, pounces on the early lead.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_14: Epic wind is down the outside.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_14: Winner's share is chiming in strongly.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_14: Cheetah and Boardwalk near the inside.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_14: Up for everything, winner's share.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_14: Cheetah! Cattail Cove is absolutely flashing through, but it's too late.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_14: Up for everything has won!
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Up by Everything is a six-year-old gilding by favorite cartel out of the kitty up mare, Up For It.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Owned and bred by Edward Allred, trained by Scott Willoughby, and written by Irving Lara.
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• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: And we're back on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly for this week's preview section.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's time to look ahead at this week's action with a pair of exciting race previews.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_01: We'll head to Wyoming for one of the state's featured quarter horse events, and then we'll make our way to California and break down another race with plenty to watch.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Our first takes race is the Wyoming Downs Derby.
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  SPEAKER_01: Three-year-olds going 400 yards.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have Tossin and Tanin picked on top, which is a kiss my hawk skelding, who's one for three on the ear and qualified and ran fourth in the TQHA self-faturity last year.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I saw this horse race last year and he's pretty fast.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_13: Yeah, I also had this horse picked on top.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_13: He has Juan Polito in the irons and that's a top-notch rider going in to ride at Wyoming.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_13: But another horse that I kind of marked was the five muscle Mac.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_13: This horse won his first out at Los Alamitos, and then he ran second in the kindergarten fraternity trials before he shipped out to Wyoming.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_13: And Rodrigo Ascivis is going in to ride him in the Derby, so I think this horse will have a good chance as well.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_13: And then the fastest qualifier going into the race is in the V.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_13: Uh this horse runs second this year in the Wyoming Breeders Derby.
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  SPEAKER_13: And then he set the fastest time for this derby.
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  SPEAKER_13: But all around, I think top to bottom this race is pretty wide open.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_13: I think any of the runners can win.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Anzi, I agree.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: And moving on to Los Alamitos, on Saturday night, they'll be having the AQHA Racing Champion Challenge Stakes, a grade two event with only five horses in the field.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_13: Yeah, it's uh not a very good field as far as numbers-wise, but there is a top-to-bottom, there is a lot of really good runners in the race.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I think that it's gonna be tough not to pick number four, Scoop's Dynasty, who has eight hundred thousand dollars in earnings already.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_01: A seven-year-old Gelding, who hasn't had a win this year, but he's back in the barn of Diego Cervantes, who had done really well with him last year.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_13: Yeah, I mean Scoop Dynasty, if he runs up to his best, he's definitely the best horse in the race.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_13: Like you said, he he hasn't necessarily done that great this year, but I think this race is a little bit easier competition for him, so he'll be tough to outrun.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_13: I put bold and beautiful on top.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_13: Uh, this horse always runs really tough in stakes races.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_13: Uh she ran second in the Abigail and Nakoa Stakes last time out, which was a grade two.
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  SPEAKER_13: Then last year, I mean, she hit the board in the Texas Classic Oaks, the Heritage Place Oaks.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_13: She qualified for the All-American Oaks.
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  SPEAKER_13: So I think this horse has a good chance to win this race.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_13: Um Juan Alleman's super tough out there in stakes races.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_13: And he hooks back up with an Ward of Cassio who over the years has won a lot of big races for Juan and his team.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that wraps up our race previews for this week.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Best of luck to the owners, trainers out there following the action in Wyoming and California, and we'll be back next week to recap the results and look ahead to what's next on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_08: Alright, that's all the time we have here on this episode of Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly and Bailey.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_08: We got a huge weekend right in front of us.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_08: Uh we'll be in Louisiana for the LQHBA sale, and the next following week is the All-American Trials.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_08: Everything's heating up here and in the hot summer there and going into quarter horse racing.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_08: And I know you're going to say this is one of your favorite times of the year because just about every time they're running a quarter horse down the racetrack was your favorite time of the year.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Greg, this is my favorite time of the year.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: I always love when there's big graded stakes races, and especially with the prestigious$3 million all-American race coming up.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_08: And we'll be there to bring it to you here.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_08: All the interviews, as well as a lot of looking back on history here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_08: And on behalf of Stalinesearch.com, I'm Greg Thompson.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Bailey Ivey.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_08: And we'll see you next week here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.