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169: If its Not One THING its Another · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 5: Just to throw in a quick little session here on
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  Speaker 5: geek activities. The only thing....
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  Speaker 10: Can that be the new noise of geek activity?
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  Speaker 12: It is.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think we even have a noise.
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  Speaker 2: We do not.
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  Speaker 5: So I did recently watch Inserts. Has anybody seen Inserts?
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  Speaker 5: I had not even heard of it.
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  Speaker 1: Is that like Jessica Harper and Richard Dreyfuss?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Way back. I was just, yeah, kind of going through
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  Speaker 5: Netflix one day, and there was one that came up.
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  Speaker 5: Once again, Netflix kind of knows better than me, because
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  Speaker 5: it will suggest things, and I'm just like, you're stupid.
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  Speaker 9: That looks, no, wait, I do want to watch that.
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  Speaker 5: It was one that came up on mine, and once again,
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  Speaker 5: I started reading through it, and I went, this does
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  Speaker 5: sound kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 9: All right, fine, and I watched it.
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  Speaker 5: And It's very different than I expected. Again, on our
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  Speaker 5: roll from last week when we were talking about porn,
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  Speaker 5: this one is, and it's a weird tie-in because after
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  Speaker 5: the whole, the artist, you know, sweeping the Oscars, it's
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  Speaker 5: kind of along those lines if it went down the
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  Speaker 5: porn road. Basically, you've got a big up-and-coming, you know,
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  Speaker 5: star of the silent screen doesn't really transfer over to
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  Speaker 5: the talkies, and this guy instead goes into directing porn.
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  Speaker 5: He was the boy wonder, is what they called him
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  Speaker 5: in the silent era. As directors, he was the go-to, artistic,
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  Speaker 5: amazing director. And then things changed, and he didn't really
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  Speaker 5: move into that new era, and instead ends up directing porn.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, was it originally, I don't know if
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  Speaker 5: you know much about it, was it originally a stage play?
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure. Because it never leaves the set. It
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  Speaker 5: is in his house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the bigger one.
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  Speaker 5: It very easily could be a play because new characters
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  Speaker 5: come in, new characters come out, but it's just his house.
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  Speaker 5: One day you're just kind of following him around in
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  Speaker 5: this big open Hollywood estate of the 30s. So it's
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  Speaker 5: very strange. It's got a good cast. It's got Veronica
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  Speaker 5: Cartwright when she was young. It's got Bob Hoskins when
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  Speaker 5: he was much thinner. I barely recognized him. It's like, wow,
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  Speaker 5: that is Bob Hoskins. Look at him. So, yeah, Jessica Harper,
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  Speaker 5: it's an interesting movie. It's, yeah, and once again, like
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  Speaker 5: I said last week, it's weird that porn has not
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  Speaker 5: changed at all. It's still, if you didn't know by
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  Speaker 5: the costumes and the set design, I mean, the way
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  Speaker 5: that they speak, and specifically all the terminologies within the
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  Speaker 5: porn industry are exactly the same. The way that he's
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  Speaker 5: shooting the movie, like, it's the same thing they do now.
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  Speaker 5: So it's kind of scary that, you know.
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  Speaker 9: Things haven't changed much in the porn industry.
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  Speaker 1: This was when? Like 1973? Something like that? Early 70s.
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  Speaker 9: It's early 70s. It's 74, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: 74, yeah.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, I don't know much about porn, but I
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  Speaker 13: would probably venture to say that porn was better back
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  Speaker 13: in the day than it is now.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we only rent the old ones.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: I just am... Is... Insert says the title of the movie,
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  Speaker 4: is that a double entendre? Is that.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, they actually reference the shot itself.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to.
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  Speaker 10: Explain it, but technically it's a triple on top.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 9: You'll hurt yourself doing one of those.
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  Speaker 10: You've got to warm up first.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they do work that in, and it has a
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  Speaker 5: very specific tie-in. By the end of the movie, there's
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  Speaker 5: this whole thing that he and Jessica Harper go through,
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  Speaker 5: and it all sort of ties into the term inserts.
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  Speaker 5: It's not quite as....
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  Speaker 9: Graphic, as you might expect it to be. But it's
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  Speaker 9: also graphic.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, for a movie in 1974, it's pretty hardcore. No,
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  Speaker 5: it's graphic in different areas. It's listed as NC-17 now,
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  Speaker 5: which is weird. I guess they re-rated it? Yeah, because
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  Speaker 5: I don't remember it being that graphic, but it's got
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  Speaker 5: some moments.
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  Speaker 10: I've never been sure how graphic got to be the
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  Speaker 10: term for something that's explicit i always expect to see
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  Speaker 10: pie charts there's.
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  Speaker 5: Nothing hotter there's bars and pies bars and pies is
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  Speaker 5: what it's all.
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  Speaker 14: About that's what i always think honestly like hot dogs
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  Speaker 14: and donuts all right so yeah it's it's interesting if
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  Speaker 14: you like um young richard dreyfus I mean, this is
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  Speaker 14: him doing his Richard Dreyfuss thing, but it.
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  Speaker 5: Was kind of at that point, like this is right
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  Speaker 5: there at the Jaws era. So it's him before his
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  Speaker 5: thing became cliche. His gimmick that he now sort of
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  Speaker 5: works into all of his movies, it's still early on
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  Speaker 5: for him. So it's kind of interesting to watch.
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  Speaker 4: Mr. Holland's opus.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, his.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like kind of the epitome of.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's the old him, but I'm like, everything in
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  Speaker 5: between Jaws and that was just him doing his character
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  Speaker 5: from Jaws, and then he got to be old, and
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  Speaker 5: everything since then is Mr. Holland's open.
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  Speaker 10: I think the real core of Dreyfus that you see
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  Speaker 10: in Jaws is when he goes over to the sheriff's house,
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  Speaker 10: and they open a bottle of wine, and he's like, oh,
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  Speaker 10: do you want to let that air out?
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  Speaker 2: Never mind.
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  Speaker 5: That's like everything he does right there. Yes.
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  Speaker 10: That's distinctively him.
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  Speaker 11: Definitely.
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  Speaker 5: So, yeah, that's, you know, it's okay. It's not my
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  Speaker 5: favorite movie, but it was certainly interesting to watch, especially
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  Speaker 5: because of the way that it's set up and the
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  Speaker 5: way that they structure it as a movie that seems
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  Speaker 5: like it wouldn't be cinematic, but somehow kind of works.
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  Speaker 5: It's interesting to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right before a lot of those people, like
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  Speaker 1: Jessica Harper. A year later, it was Phantom of the Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: and then Stardust Memories comes along. I can't remember who
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  Speaker 1: played the director.
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  Speaker 13: In that.
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  Speaker 7: Which.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he's the director.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Dreyfuss is, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Hoskins is like the money. He's the producer, I guess,
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  Speaker 5: but he's the one with all the money.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a long time since he's done that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty.
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  Speaker 1: It's back when Hollywood would make a film like that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In the 70s, they could do some pretty edgy, weird
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  Speaker 1: stuff and actually get it distributed.
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  Speaker 5: You could see this getting made now as an indie movie,
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  Speaker 5: but not with major studio, major names.
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  Speaker 9: It's pretty unlikely that that would happen.
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  Speaker 5: Now we get Showgirls.
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  Speaker 9: Love showgirls though oh i.
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  Speaker 5: Know we all love it in a sick sad way
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  Speaker 5: no not all of us no.
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  Speaker 15: I told i told my friend who i get in
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  Speaker 15: arguments about paul verhoeven about all the time i said
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  Speaker 15: if i ever meet paul verhoeven i will shake his
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  Speaker 15: hand i will say thank you for giving the world
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  Speaker 15: showgirls and i will sincerely mean it.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's an interesting movie once again we'll go with
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  Speaker 5: that way it's it's a piece of work i'll go
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  Speaker 5: with that.
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  Speaker 4: Beautiful again and i'm not the first person to say
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  Speaker 4: it but um That's one movie that made me get
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  Speaker 4: sick of nudity. you just i just got bored with
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  Speaker 4: it and just like it's because.
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  Speaker 15: You're putting too much stock in the nudity if you
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  Speaker 15: just treat it as they're just people then don't need it.
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  Speaker 5: But that's what it becomes and that sort of takes
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  Speaker 5: the fun out of it if it's not fun to
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  Speaker 5: see them get naked anymore it kind of makes you
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  Speaker 5: die a little no it's still.
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  Speaker 15: A fun there's still a lot of stuff going on
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  Speaker 15: it does get the fun rape.
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  Speaker 5: Scene oh that Fun.
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  Speaker 15: Sex in the swimming pool scene.
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  Speaker 5: That's scarring, is what that is.
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  Speaker 4: That's weird. That was like, I knew what epilepsy was
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  Speaker 4: after I saw that scene.
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  Speaker 10: No, that just reminded me of like when we catch
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  Speaker 10: a fish and throw it in the bottom of the
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  Speaker 10: boat and it'll flop around like that.
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  Speaker 9: Berkeley needs their medication, that's all I gotta say.
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  Speaker 4: It's like what people... think sex is supposed to look.
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  Speaker 5: Like if they're like 12.
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  Speaker 9: They don't have the internet and they're not watching porn.
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  Speaker 16: All day i don't think so maybe in the 70s
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  Speaker 16: when in thirds came out but now the kids know
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  Speaker 16: pretty early on so yeah i think that's uh that's
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  Speaker 16: enough geek activity we.
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  Speaker 5: Better get into the movie so we will take a
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  Speaker 18: In your bones now.
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  Speaker 1: When you get the.
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  Speaker 12: Ain't no special swing you've got to do now do.
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  Speaker 17: The latest dance or do your own self thing everybody
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  Speaker 17: have yourself a real good time moving in the crowd
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  Speaker 5: Godzilla vs.
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  Speaker 4: The Thing.
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  Speaker 5: A shattering motion picture not for the weak of heart.
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  Speaker 7: Here in all its astounding realism is a soul-shocking experience.
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  Speaker 7: How much terror can you stand? What was this thing
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  Speaker 7: of unbelievable and unequal terror that challenged Godzilla to a
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  Speaker 7: See the war of the giants. See the birth of
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  Speaker 7: the world's most terrifying monster. See armies of the world
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  Speaker 10: Kate.
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  Speaker 5: Shit.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, Kate.
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  Speaker 5: These fellas said that you've been expecting them? Oh, of course. Thanks, Hank.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks.
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  Speaker 13: Hey.
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  Speaker 5: You, uh, you forgot, didn't you?
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  Speaker 6: No, no, I.
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  Speaker 13: I just.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He just wanted to, uh.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, this is him, okay? I'm Dr.
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  Speaker 19: Sandra Halverson.
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  Speaker 6: Kate Lloyd.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know who I am?
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  Speaker 6: I do.
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  Speaker 19: Adam told me a little bit about you as well.
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  Speaker 19: He says you specialize in vertebrae and paleontology.
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  Speaker 6: Primarily, yes.
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  Speaker 19: And obviously you extracted specimens from pack ice.
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  Speaker 6: I've worked on several cold weather digs.
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  Speaker 8: Good.
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  Speaker 19: An old friend of mine and colleague from Oslo runs
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  Speaker 19: a geological research station in Antarctica. 48 hours ago, his
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  Speaker 19: team found something quite remarkable.
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  Speaker 14: Really?
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  Speaker 6: What'd they find?
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  Speaker 19: We're flying down there tomorrow evening to examine the site.
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  Speaker 19: And I need a paleontologist.
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  Speaker 6: Doctor, I'm sure you can understand that I need to
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  Speaker 6: know a little bit about what it is I'm being
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  Speaker 6: asked to dig up.
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  Speaker 1: There's a structure.
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  Speaker 4: A structure?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: In Antarctica?
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  Speaker 19: And a specimen. That's all I can tell you.
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  Speaker 6: And I guess I don't have any time to think
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  Speaker 6: about this.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry. I need your answer right now.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'm in.
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  Speaker 20: You sit around waiting on this other guy. You tell
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  Speaker 20: yourself he's the only one that can satisfy.
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  Speaker 5: Each and every night he's out in the street.
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  Speaker 20: You're lucky if you see him once a week. But
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  Speaker 20: here I am. I know I'm a man. And I'm
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  Speaker 20: capable of loving you any.
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  Speaker 6: Way he can.
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  Speaker 20: I don't want you weeping over him anymore.
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  Speaker 21: Just come to me, girl.
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  Speaker 22: And let yourself go.
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  Speaker 8: Hey, girl.
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  Speaker 20: Don't you think it's time to try a brand new thing? Hey, girl.
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  Speaker 20: Don't you think it's time to try a brand new thing?
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  Speaker 15: I've been ranting about this to my wife.
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  Speaker 2: She's sick of hearing about it.
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  Speaker 5: She's sick of it. Go talk to some other.
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  Speaker 4: About the thing?
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  Speaker 2: The new one?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The thing?
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  Speaker 15: She didn't watch it with me. She was upstairs on
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  Speaker 15: the computer and everything. Every ten minutes I would pause
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  Speaker 15: it and yell something else at her.
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  Speaker 5: She's like, leave me alone!
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  Speaker 4: God!
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  Speaker 5: I'm not watching you, damn you!
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  Speaker 2: I tried to get her to watch it with me, but.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome back to Moving Out on Sofa Theater. This week's
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  Speaker 5: Sofa Theater feature is The Thing, but the year is 2011.
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  Speaker 5: The director, and I had to work on this, so
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  Speaker 5: hold on a minute.
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  Speaker 9: Matthijs van Hengen?
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  Speaker 5: Hengen?
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 9: It's Dutch, I believe, and it's.
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  Speaker 5: Got a lot of letters, and they're putting a lot
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  Speaker 5: of letters together that probably don't need to go together.
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  Speaker 13: Like with the funny O and stuff like that?
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  Speaker 5: If it's wrong, sorry, dude, I don't know what to
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  Speaker 5: tell you. The plot, I am not responsible for this mess.
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  Speaker 5: An Antarctic research site, the discovery of an alien craft,
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  Speaker 5: leads to a confrontation between graduate student Kate Lloyd and
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  Speaker 5: scientist Dr. Sander.
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 5: What? That's the movie, really?
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  Speaker 4: That's your plot synopsis? I guess they didn't want to
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  Speaker 4: reveal what the.
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  Speaker 10: It's that part of that ancient conflict between graduate students
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  Speaker 10: and scientists.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't even know if that's accurate, because I
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  Speaker 5: don't know that she was a graduate student. I thought
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  Speaker 5: she was a paleontologist, wasn't she?
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  Speaker 4: I assumed she was a research student.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well... A research.
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  Speaker 4: Student, how do you know?
• 18:32
  Speaker 10: There should be more action pictures about grad students.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, boy. So, massive spoiler alert. As we've said previously,
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: this is going to be an overall thing. We're mostly
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: going to go into the 2011 version, but I think
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: we're going to tie it to all of the filmed versions,
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: the short story, pretty much everything else we can tie in. Sorry.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Go ahead.
• 18:59
  Speaker 15: Here's something I have to get out of the way.
• 19:01
  Speaker 15: This was billed as a prequel. It is absolutely not
• 19:05
  Speaker 15: a prequel. And that really fucking annoyed me.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: People would disagree with you, but... No, no. Before we
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: even get to that, here's my main thing, before we even.
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: Get to the story arc.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Why, if you're saying it's a prequel, which they did,
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: why would you call it The Thing? If it's a remake,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: you would call it The Thing. If it's a prequel,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: wouldn't you give it a subtitle?
• 19:28
  Speaker 13: The Thing Before The Thing?
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Thing 2? Electric Boogaloo? The other thing. I mean, wouldn't you.
• 19:33
  Speaker 13: The first thing.
• 19:34
  Speaker 10: This, that, and the other thing.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, see, why wouldn't you... The new thing, you know.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Why would you not give it a
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: title that's not the exact same thing as the movie
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: you're claiming to lead directly into? I don't know.
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: That bothered me more so than the movie, really, but... that's,
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: I don't know, bad marketing.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: It's just marketing.
• 19:52
  Speaker 13: Bad marketing.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: It's the thing.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: It's a familiar title.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: They're looking for the proper.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: A lot of the young people going to see this
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: will probably have seen Carpenter's film on cable at some point.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Or they've heard of it. Or they've heard of it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: They've heard the name.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: And I think they thought maybe they'll get some people
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: in there if they say it's a prequel. There might be...
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: A different story, but of course there is not a
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: different story. Some things are more prequel than others.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Do you want to go into your stand on it, Dave,
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: before he goes into his rant? Or how do you
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: guys want to structure it?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Well, my stand is simple because I refuse to see it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: It's not just specifically the thing. It's just this whole
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: cycle we're in where it's nothing but remakes or nothing
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: but adaptations of television shows. I'm at the age where
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I just don't have the time. And I've seen the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: good ones. And I don't want to feed into it.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I don't pay to see a whole lot of movies anyway.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I've got too many friends in the theater business, but
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to support it. I mean, I
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: missed out on some, well, not some, probably one or
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: two good movies. I heard Planet of the Apes was
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: pretty good.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: The Rise of the Planet of the Apes?
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I heard it was pretty good.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, I hated that movie.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I'm glad.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Other people in the city.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I refuse to see it. I just don't want to
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: support the mentality that keeps making these movies over and over.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: And so the thing, I heard it was a prequel.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I know some guys who worked on it, special effects guys.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: There's some creative work in it, but it's just, to me,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: looked like a straight remake of a film that I
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: like the two previous incarnations of very much. So it
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: didn't have anything new to offer me. So I just
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: didn't bother.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Well, I did see it, and you're exactly right. Go ahead, Alan.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I saw it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: It was watchable.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: It was a movie?
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: I just barely remember anything about it. There was nothing
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: for me to latch onto. It was like, it was watchable.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: It was okay.
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: I question a few things about it, but I don't
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: care enough to make a big deal about it because
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: I really just, I'm, I'm trying to remember and I
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: don't remember much about it.
• 21:50
  Speaker 15: See, I make a big deal out of things that
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: I don't care about. Like I, I ranted about real
• 21:53
  Speaker 15: steel for another thing. My wife got sick.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Of me talking about it.
• 21:58
  Speaker 15: Um, There were two major things that I don't see
• 22:02
  Speaker 15: how anybody can see the Carpenter one, then see this one,
• 22:04
  Speaker 15: and then honestly call it a prequel. The first thing
• 22:07
  Speaker 15: is in Carpenter is when they come across the Norwegian
• 22:10
  Speaker 15: station and they find the video, and they see the
• 22:13
  Speaker 15: video of them finding the spaceship there in the circle,
• 22:16
  Speaker 15: which was exactly like the 50s one. And then they
• 22:19
  Speaker 15: blew it up with thermite, and in the 2011 one,
• 22:24
  Speaker 15: that didn't happen they you know it was way down
• 22:27
  Speaker 15: it stayed intact and everything right the other big thing
• 22:30
  Speaker 15: was was the ending like I was waiting for it
• 22:33
  Speaker 15: to end because the carpenter one starts with the last
• 22:36
  Speaker 15: Norwegian guy in the helicopter trying to shoot down to
• 22:38
  Speaker 15: the dog and then he gets shot himself and thought
• 22:40
  Speaker 15: what a great way to end this movie and for
• 22:42
  Speaker 15: some reason they don't all the Norwegians are dead and
• 22:46
  Speaker 15: the only person who survives is the Kate whatever her
• 22:50
  Speaker 15: name is and so I'm just wondering if this is
• 22:52
  Speaker 15: a Prequel.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Well, no.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Lars is still alive.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: No, he died, presumably.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: No.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: Because they said they didn't kill him, and then he
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: comes out of the room at the end.
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: He comes out and checks the guy's fillings, and they
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: get in the helicopter and chase the dog.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: You fell asleep.
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: That's the last scene.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: Did you stop at the credits? Because if you let
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: the credits play.
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: There's a little afterbite.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You got scammed.
• 23:22
  Speaker 10: It's like Her Majesty at the end of that Beatles album.
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: It seems like it's over.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: There's a hidden track on this one. They trick you.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Well, that sucks. What about the discovery of the ship, though?
• 23:40
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: It's a little off, but they've kind of called themselves
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: out on a few little errors.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: That's a huge error.
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: Well, but we don't even see most of that. Again,
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: they skip over that part.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: I guess because we've already seen it in one of
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: the other movies, so we don't have to show that.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I thought it just.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Reeked of mirroring things that it shouldn't mirror uh and
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: it's like oh well how are we going to have
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: the you know the reenactment of the most tense scene
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: from the carpenter one with the blood it's like we're
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: gonna rewrite it i don't know i.
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: Just But in a way, wouldn't you have to have
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: that scene?
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: You would have to have that scene.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: And they killed, because again, if the story played out
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: the way it was supposed to without the interference, they
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: would have had that blood scene again. And they sabotage it, literally,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: and they find another way to do the test differently.
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: I thought that was kind of.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Clever, and definitely fits the alien storyline.
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: But then they overdid it. In the end, they overdid it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: I thought it was kind of stupid. They do the
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: spoiler alert well we threw it out it's like um
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: oh you know how i knew you weren't your earring
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: it was the other ear okay this thing replicates somebody
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: so it can speak fucking english and knows how to
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: drive and but it can't remember where its fucking earring was.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: You know that really it just that part like i
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: like the fact that It was going on pretending like
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: it didn't know the difference, but the fact that it
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: reached for the wrong ear is kind of stupid.
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: It tried to make that a dramatic moment, and it's like, well,
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: what if he had reached for the right ear? But
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: she'd go, but now I'm not sure. Maybe you lost it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: So I don't know. What am I going to do?
• 25:31
  Speaker 15: And they threw in that horrible slow motion with the
• 25:33
  Speaker 15: really dramatic music.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I hate slow motion so much.
• 25:37
  Speaker 13: Here's a question that I have. So did it replicate
• 25:39
  Speaker 13: the human, and the human is naked, and then they
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: go back to the house and put clothes on? Or
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: did it replicate the human fully clothed? Is that just
• 25:47
  Speaker 13: a detail that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 23: It left out?
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: It can't do clothes, so I mean, I guess.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: But how are their clothes?
• 25:53
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: But I guess that's always been an issue that we've
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: never really gone and went into.
• 25:59
  Speaker 13: I just think like, okay, so you've replicated this human...
• 26:03
  Speaker 13: And they're only gone for two minutes, but they had
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: time to run through the house naked and go to
• 26:09
  Speaker 13: their room and get dressed.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: You get really good at that after a while.
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: But they can't remember their fucking earring.
• 26:14
  Speaker 21: Yeah, exactly.
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: Which ear was it?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: My life could depend on this.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Well, the way I live, one guy on the airplane
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: splits open. His clothes are, or the helicopter splits open.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: His clothes are wrecked, but all of a sudden it was. No,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: they'd go to a different guy.
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: They never explain in, like, the Invasion of the Body
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: Snatchers what happens to the old body.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: It just lays there, doesn't it? I thought that would.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: In the original, they did. In the remake in the 70s,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: they were kind of just taking them out and throwing
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: them in the trash. They were sneaking out.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: And chucking them in the trash cans. But they would just, like,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: stay there waiting for you in the original, I thought.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: With this one, I.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I alluded to it. I literally, four separate nights, tried
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: to watch this movie every single time I fell asleep.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: I found it. Now, I have to watch later at
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: night because I don't want to completely scar my children.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: And they're very inquisitive. No fun.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: And they'll run out and see.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: That's where you and I disagree.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: And it just... And I've mentioned it on the show before.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: It seems like movies are.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Intentionally poorly lit.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: That and some other movies I saw, it's like, why
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: is everything so fucking dark?
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: This was intentional because I heard the director talking about
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: how much they kept trying, like his, you know, DP
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: guy was just like trying to light it normally and
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: he wanted it dark.
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: Because they're in Antarctica and the power was cut.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: They're also making a horror film ostensibly so they think
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: scary is darker.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And scary's gonna hide. There's nothing scary in it.
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: I mean, If you can't tell what's going on, you
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: just lose interest.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: There are lots of.
• 27:56
  Speaker 13: Moments where I'm like, I can't see what that is.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: It's too dark.
• 27:58
  Speaker 15: I spend a lot of the time pausing my DVD
• 28:00
  Speaker 15: player and trying to adjust the brightness.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And my TV kind of has problems with that anyway,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: so I figured it was just my TV.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Well, I fiddled with it too, trying to turn it up.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: And since the last time I went off of it,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: we have a different TV, a nice TV, finally, that
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: everything looks great in. And I started watching and I
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: was like, fuck this. And I was squinting at things
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: and That just makes me more tired. But I was
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: falling asleep. Like the action scene where it's first revealed
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: and they run outside, which is overly dark when it's
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: underneath the building or whatever it has. And I understand
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: that it's supposed to be dark. You're in the Antarctic,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: but you've got to see a little bit more. And
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: the CG there just seemed... extremely cartoonish yeah and I
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: was at an action scene I fell asleep in that
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: moment I was bored that bored with it so yeah
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: yeah I'm more scared because I went back and watched
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: The Thing Carpenter's The Thing and I'm more scared and
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: I've seen that movie I don't know 15 times and
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: I'm more scared by that movie and more The tense
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: moments are more tense than this ever could have dreamed
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: of them.
• 29:20
  Speaker 15: I was going to say that the first transformation that
• 29:23
  Speaker 15: was really dark, it turned out, in my opinion, that
• 29:25
  Speaker 15: was a good thing because I was actually okay. I
• 29:28
  Speaker 15: was enjoying the movie up to the point of the
• 29:29
  Speaker 15: transformation in the helicopter when we.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: See it clearly i was like oh it's a cartoon
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: yeah well.
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: I everything cgi is gonna look like a cartoon like
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: it was.
• 29:39
  Speaker 15: Bad and i'm just wondering in the original carpet one
• 29:42
  Speaker 15: like you said it's actually scary and why not you
• 29:45
  Speaker 15: don't need cgi and it's scarier without.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: You do today though that's that's one thing i was
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: going to bring up is is the way that the
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: studio system works now you don't get to do that
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: anymore like very rarely yeah I mean, they were talking, again,
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: the director and producer were talking about this one, and
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: they're like, in the Carpenter version, you know, Bodine had, like,
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: a year of prep time to do all those creatures,
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: to plan everything out. They found out they were directing
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: this movie three months before shooting.
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: You don't have time to do anything CG at this point.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: To even have someone sculpt a model of what it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: going to look like. To even be able to show
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: an actor... Here's what it's going to look like. This
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: is what you're responding to. Now it's just they're looking
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: at a.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Little ping pong ball on a stick.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: How are you supposed to respond to that?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Like I said, some of the guys I know from
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: ADI worked on this film, and they did some really
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: creative work, but they ultimately had to kind of half
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and half it. They had to build a partial suit,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and the rest had to be CG. And nobody knew
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: how it was going to fit together. And a lot
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: of money was spent on that aspect, but If you
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: can't see it, if you can't react to it, it
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: does become a cartoon. You know, there's such a thing
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: as good CG. You can see it employed very well.
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: And they still put a lot of time into those
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: suits that they built.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: An enormous amount of time. But the studio just wants
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: to do it because they think they're saving money.
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: And they're not. They're spending a lot of money on
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't look real.
• 31:13
  Speaker 15: I will say, I did love the scene in the
• 31:14
  Speaker 15: rec room where the two faces get melded together.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: That's awesome.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: That part I thought was.
• 31:20
  Speaker 15: Really great with the how the guy was having the
• 31:22
  Speaker 15: arm over the shoulder and all of a sudden just
• 31:24
  Speaker 15: kind of detached.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: That sequence was pretty cool.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Those are all kind of like echoes from Carpenter's movie.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: They took some visuals and then made some cooler things
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: out of it.
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: It's working backwards and realizing, okay, we have to.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: And that's what I want to give him credit for,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: is it does not come close to what Carpenter did. But,
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's one of the best movies ever, in
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: my opinion. It's on the top of that list. So
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: that's asking a lot anyway, but... For what they did,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: I kind of liked it. I still think when you're
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: working against the huge shadow of that, they still found
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: a way to make it a decent companion. They really
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: did work backwards, and if you're a big Carpenter fan,
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: you realize, oh, that thing they find in the snow
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: and drag back with them, that's this creature, and they
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: found a way to make it happen. The axe in
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: the door that he throws there, that's the axe they.
• 32:16
  Speaker 9: Find in the door when they get there in the
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: Carpenter version.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: The guy who offs himself in the chair, they worked
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: that into the storyline. So the fact that they found
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: a way to work and tie the two together as
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: well as they did, again, you can fault them for
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: a lot.
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: Of things, but not for half-assing it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: They really did want to pay tribute to it, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: maybe a little too much, I'll give you. But they
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: did do their homework and at least try to piece
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: together most of the stuff.
• 32:43
  Speaker 15: I'm just wondering why they put that piece after the
• 32:45
  Speaker 15: credits rather than right after.
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: I think I'm curious.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: It wasn't very far. It was like two credits in.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: I was so ready to be done with this movie.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: It attacks its prey. Copies it perfectly. And then hides
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: inside it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: Waiting.
• 33:03
  Speaker 10: Waiting.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: Is it still amongst us?
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: Could be any of us.
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: We've got to get out of here.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right now.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: And you could be getting in a vehicle with it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: You'd be alone.
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: Vulnerable.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: That's exactly what it wants. Not to mention you'd be
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: giving it away out of here. Way to spread. It's
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: like a virus. So what do we do with any virus?
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Quarantine.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: We isolate it. And then we kill it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:59
  Speaker 10: One thing I'm curious about in the thing, the way
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: it thinks, is like it it goes way out of
• 34:07
  Speaker 10: its way to exactly replicate somebody, so nobody suspects it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 10: But then there's that certain point at which it's like,
• 34:17
  Speaker 10: fuck it, I'll be as nasty as I want to be.
• 34:20
  Speaker 10: And then it's like this spider-like fucking thing. It's like, no,
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: I don't care anymore, fuck y'all. But you don't even
• 34:27
  Speaker 10: know if that's it, or if that's some other creature
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: that it replicated. And maybe on its home planet, it's
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: kitten you know no it could be from the planet
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: of the kittens that can replicate other.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Life forms kittens are badass you gotta watch kittens yeah.
• 34:43
  Speaker 15: I got the impression it was just like just like
• 34:46
  Speaker 15: well like she said it's like a virus that maybe
• 34:47
  Speaker 15: it is just a virus that.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Takes yeah and that's kind of what I think actually
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: have a form in this movie I think that's what
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: they went with is that that's it has no original
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: form it is just a virus it is continually mutated
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: I guess that's the most efficient way to attack and
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: kill people is that form but it does just continue
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: to mimic and do whatever it needs to wherever it goes.
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: I just i mean i know it wasn't really like
• 35:12
  Speaker 13: important in the context of the movie but i would
• 35:16
  Speaker 13: have liked to have some insight i mean i know
• 35:18
  Speaker 13: they didn't know much about the creature but why would
• 35:20
  Speaker 13: it just replicate and kill and replicate and kill like
• 35:23
  Speaker 13: what's the point of all that i kind of thought
• 35:25
  Speaker 13: they were going to go somewhere when she was in
• 35:27
  Speaker 13: the the ship and it was like a pixelated i
• 35:30
  Speaker 13: thought it was maybe like taking DNA data from the
• 35:34
  Speaker 13: humans that it had replicated and sending it back, but
• 35:37
  Speaker 13: it never went into that. I was kind of disappointed.
• 35:39
  Speaker 13: I thought maybe it would say, like, why.
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: The ship goes into a different area that I kind
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: of wanted to get into.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, before that, as far as the why it replicates,
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, you've got the real-world answer, but not the
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: story world. I mean, the real-world answer is because it
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: plays on that fear that we all, the same thing
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: as Invasion of the Body Snatchers, that you can't trust anyone.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: And it works well. I mean, that's why the carpenter
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: one is so fucking scary is because you can't trust anyone.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: You don't know, you know, from one minute to the next,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: even when you knew this person was on your side,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: five minutes later, he walked out of the room.
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: Now you can't trust anyone again.
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: So.
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: And that's really what Carpenter changed from the 50s.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:19
  Speaker 10: Because in the 50s when you could trust, it is
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: the nicest world.
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: It is.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Into which the thing.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: Except for scientists.
• 36:27
  Speaker 9: You can't fucking trust them.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: Wait, you know why?
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Because they haven't slept. That's right.
• 36:34
  Speaker 10: And they need a nap.
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: Come on.
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: Science gets carried away when it hasn't had its nap.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: If we want to veer off into the hawk's world,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: you can't trust them because they're not part of the military.
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: And I didn't realize that. I'd seen it a million
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: years ago, but I went back and rewatched it this week,
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: and it is so funny how pro-military it is and how,
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: you know, the system is awesome and scientists and educated people,
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: you know, fuck them.
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: It's all about might.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: But it's kind of the exception to the 50s on
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the other hand.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: You've got David Erston still where.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: You know, the military know everything.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: The scientists know everything. So it kind of stands out,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: but it's also very early. It's very... 1949, 50, right
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: after the war.
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: It's very Howard Hawks, too.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: But the story element makes much more sense in the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Hawks version because the alien does have a purpose, which
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: is to conquer.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: And, you know, Keeping it from being a shapeshifter actually
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: helps the plot, where it's a vegetable, and all it
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: has to do to reproduce is plant itself over and
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: over and replicate itself, and it can grow an army
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: in a matter of days. So it's much more efficient
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: than just copying people and tearing them to pieces.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: But it doesn't play into that fear. It works better,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: I guess, as a normal sci-fi movie, but as the weird,
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: creepy horror movie, it works better in the Carpenter movie.
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: Yeah, the Carpenter movie is a horror movie.
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: The 50s movie is a sci-fi movie.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Sci-fi.
• 37:50
  Speaker 15: The Carpenter one is actually really, really close to who
• 37:53
  Speaker 15: goes there. And the 50s one is absolutely not.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: Well, they took the basic idea, which is finding a
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: ship out there, because it's funny that he skips that.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: It's like, we don't get the ship part at all.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: That takes place in the 50s one, and in the prequel... But, like,
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: you don't get that in the Carpenter version, which is
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: the closest to the book, to the short story. So
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: it's funny that he skips that.
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: The 50s one may be the nicest world I've ever
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: seen depicted in film. Everybody is so not... And then, like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 10: the lead guy, when he gets really angry at that
• 38:27
  Speaker 10: woman for the prank she played on him, she doesn't
• 38:31
  Speaker 10: look worried.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: No, she's not.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, he's all.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Mad at me.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Aw, isn't that cute? You know, like, I.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I looked into, after I read the short story as well,
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Campbell was, he was a little bit crazy. And I
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: think he was probably paranoid as well.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which ties into the world at that point, too.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes you kind of look at, especially the
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Carpenter thing and the short story a little bit differently
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: that he, you know, he was at the top of
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: his game. He was sci-fi.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: We wouldn't have sci-fi, pretty much.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the editor of, like, the major magazine,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he could do whatever he wanted to, almost,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: at that point. He was the editor, basically was him,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: and I think he became, as later, he almost intentionally
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: pissed people off, It was the way it read. His
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: biography read that he was paranoid, like I said, about everybody.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: So he may have had that constantly brewing in him
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: that he just didn't know who everybody really was or
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: their motives and couldn't trust them.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: And that's pretty early when he wrote Short Story.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: But it's funny that they took it out of the
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: 50s movie when... that really became kind of overrun. It
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: was still, I guess, a little early, but as you
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: get into the 50s, that mistrust and you don't know
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: who's who and who you can trust kind of thing
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: takes over the country, basically.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Well, and because sci-fi kind of became campy then and
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: later in his career as well, and I think he
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: probably didn't like that.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: He didn't, no.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: He was a hard science type guy.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: He was actually pretty smart, I thought. He was stupid sci-fi.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: It was actually pretty interesting and well-written.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Actually, talking about.
• 40:20
  Speaker 15: One thing I actually really liked about the 2011 one
• 40:22
  Speaker 15: is when we first meet Kate and she's doing something that...
• 40:26
  Speaker 15: Was that the dinosaur she was.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I think that was her normal job. But again, as
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: old as this thing had been there, I guess that's
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: what they were placing it at.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: She's digging up old.
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: Millions of years ago when this thing landed.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I really liked how they were playing the Nine at
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Work song, Who Can It Be Now?
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I noticed that.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: So they did make it a period film?
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: At least sort of, amorphously 80s. Yeah. Well, at least
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: they did that.
• 40:50
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I noticed that too.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: On the Walkman, wasn't it?
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, which I thought was funny.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: And again, I'm not normally that big of a hardcore nerd,
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: but I did for, again, because people like to nitpick
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: once we get into these on this level. I wanted
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: to check. I was like, was that out then? right
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: truthfully it was but kate had to be pretty damn
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: cool to be listening to it assuming she's in america
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: or anywhere other than australia because really when it was
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: released in 81 it was only in australia it wasn't
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: till late 82 that it was like number one in
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: us so that's.
• 41:24
  Speaker 13: What i was thinking.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming she's been around though.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: So i'm assuming she had a friend in australia he's
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: like dude this band is.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: She might have had a dig in Australia. You know,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: she probably thought that Minutework was much cooler when no
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: one else listened to it.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: She was into Minutework when nobody in this country had
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: even heard of them.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: I heard this band.
• 41:45
  Speaker 13: That was really, like, the only signifying thing that this
• 41:50
  Speaker 13: took place in the 80s. And really, I mean, you
• 41:52
  Speaker 13: can listen to Minutework today, so it doesn't really give
• 41:55
  Speaker 13: it away.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: They had the date at the beginning.
• 41:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it doesn't identify itself.
• 42:01
  Speaker 13: It doesn't seem like it.
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: But it doesn't seem now either.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: No.
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: It comes off a little more timeless than I expected.
• 42:06
  Speaker 9: I mean, they even tried to. I think they were
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: using older lenses.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: They were trying to make it look as dated as possible,
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: but it doesn't come off massively dated. It just comes
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: off a little generic in the middle, so that way
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: they don't get called out for being too... I did, again,
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: have to check nitpicky. I was like, did they have
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: porcelain fillings in the 82s? They did, actually. They started
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: in the 60s, so if anybody else was wanting to
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: be nitpicky, they weren't overrun when the industry until about
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: the 90s, I guess, but they came up with them
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: in the 60s. That's interesting.
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: While we were being super nerds and calling them out
• 42:45
  Speaker 9: for minor things. Again, they did their homework. They were
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: accurate on a lot more stuff than I expected going
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: into this.
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 42:53
  Speaker 15: I had an interesting observation about the carpenter one, because
• 42:55
  Speaker 15: I re-watched it the day before, and when they're doing
• 42:57
  Speaker 15: the blood test where they're cutting themselves with the scalpel,
• 43:01
  Speaker 15: they all use the same scalpel. So if one of
• 43:04
  Speaker 15: them is the thing, everybody after them is going to
• 43:06
  Speaker 15: get a little bit of the blood in them, and
• 43:08
  Speaker 15: then everybody after them is.
• 43:11
  Speaker 10: And also, when he torches that one guy, after he's
• 43:16
  Speaker 10: had this realization about the blood, all the parts being separate,
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: then he throws.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: A grenade at it.
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: Why would you do that? That's like the worst thing.
• 43:26
  Speaker 10: Let's atomize this. Because, you know, there's got to be
• 43:30
  Speaker 10: some drop of blood in that thing that hasn't been
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: burnt to a crisp just yet. And then you throw
• 43:37
  Speaker 10: a grenade at it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 13: I don't know.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Basically, the world is doomed.
• 43:40
  Speaker 15: I mean, I figured that the guy at the end
• 43:42
  Speaker 15: with McCready is the thing because of the scalpel thing,
• 43:45
  Speaker 15: if nothing else.
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: Well, this was the pre-8 scare, so nobody worried about
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: it then. They were just, ah, use the same.
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: But after the blood, but after the one incident, I
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: would not do this. If I did the thing where
• 44:00
  Speaker 10: I touched the blood and it went everywhere, I would
• 44:03
  Speaker 10: not pick up the next one and hold it there
• 44:06
  Speaker 10: in my hand.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'd have grabbed the blowtorch and said,
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: fuck you all.
• 44:12
  Speaker 10: I would hold it at some distance, have the blowtorch,
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: you know, but that's just me. Things like that make
• 44:21
  Speaker 10: me a little jittery.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: How many Antarctic expeditions have blowtorches hanging around everywhere?
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: That is one they sort of called them out for.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: When they were up there, they were like, they really
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: don't have blowtorches.
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: Like, why?
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: Other than it's so necessary for this story to happen, but.
• 44:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they were like, I don't know why anybody would
• 44:41
  Speaker 9: have a blowtorch.
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: In case they need to go to work on some
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: motherfuckers with a pair of pliers.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: And a blowtorch.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: Dan's great.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Charlie Barrett for you.
• 44:52
  Speaker 13: In case they want to make water out of ice,
• 44:55
  Speaker 13: I can just hold it.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: We really need a whole lot of water. I did
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: kind of like the cast. I thought they did get,
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: and they did, I mean, they did get Norwegians. Like,
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: they weren't messing around like a lot of those guys
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: are famous actors in their own homeland we don't know
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: who the hell they are here in norwegia in norwegia
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: they are uh they're actually like the guy with the
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: beard the the red hair the beard yeah he's like
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: their big superstar like he's in norway yeah he's in
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: a ton of movies and kind of goofy like you've
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: seen behind the scenes he's like has the little hand
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: alien and it's like it's his pet He's making out
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: with it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I thought that death, especially when they came back to it,
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: was a little creepy.
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: It's creepy.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: See, that's the thing. I think the monster stuff they did,
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: it is stuff that they couldn't have done in the 80s.
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: There is no way you could have one up and
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: running around in the 80s. And they do that here.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: Because that scene with the Juliet monster is fucking scary.
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's whether or not you buy the CG,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: the basic setup of the monster and the way that
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: it just then... I mean, it's equally as evil and
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: hostile as the alien and the carpenter, but now it's
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: mobile and it can, you know, run after you.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: When they do the autopsy on it and, you know, the...
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: I forget which character it is, is inside of it
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: or being replicated inside of it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: And, you know, the face... That's probably the best... effect
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: of the movie.
• 46:32
  Speaker 13: I thought that was really good.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: And they held on it, but that probably looked like
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: there's a lot more practical effects.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that's all practical, more than likely.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: It was pretty creepy.
• 46:43
  Speaker 13: I really didn't think the CG was that bad because
• 46:46
  Speaker 13: I went into watching this movie thinking it was going
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: to be awful.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Compared to a lot of other stuff, compared to
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: the Clash of the Titans and stuff like that, to
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: me this is.
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: And again, I think it's because they did the mixture.
• 46:57
  Speaker 9: I think there is.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: physical stuff there when that creature is walking across the
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: floor the basics of it are there walking across the
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: floor they're adding in tentacles because they can't do again
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: you can't do that in the real world but the
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: basic creature is probably Tom Woodruff yeah Tom Woodruff in
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: the suit yeah so it's yeah it's I mean there
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: is somebody there actually physically moving a.
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: Lot of the stuff in a lot of the scenes.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: They you know again had to CG in a lot
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: more than they probably wanted to but For what it is.
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: I think it's better than a lot of other Hollywood
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: crap out there.
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: It's just that we've just gotten so used to looking
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: at spectacular stuff. And when Carpenter's film hit in 82,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: it really was way ahead of the curve, which is
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: why nobody really liked it. The critics were like, oh,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: this is disgusting. And it was a bomb in 82.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: It was a lot. Well, it was the big summer,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: but it was an R-rated film, and it was extremely
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: gross for the time. But if it had been released
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: maybe two years later, it would have been a big hit.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: People were used to that.
• 48:04
  Speaker 11: Kind of work by then.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: And you look at stuff like The Blair Head when
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it jumps off and the crab legs come out and
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: crawls across the floor. It's still amazing. But people, really critics, Ebert,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: all those guys were just tearing it up because they
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: thought it was just too gross.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Ebert's an asshole anyway.
• 48:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: But he had a lot of clout back then.
• 48:22
  Speaker 20: A lot.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Siskel and Ebert.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: It was also that they said that because it came out, what,
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: two weeks after E.T.? Yeah.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: E.T., which is the feel-good hit of E.T.
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: And here comes the thing.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: And that's the alien we want is E.T. We don't
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: want this horrible.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Bloody mess. Back in the 80s, they used to have
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of sneak preview screenings, especially in Louisville. Louisville
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: was considered a great middle American market test. So almost
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: everything got snuck here. Like I saw Raiders of the
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Lost Ark three weeks before it came out. I saw E.T.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: before it came out, and I saw The Thing before
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: it came out, and I was like, wow. And then
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: two weeks later, it comes out, and it's just a bomb.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I'm stunned. The same thing happened. Well, they didn't sneak
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Blade Runner, but Blade Runner got the same kind of
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: reception that year. They did not like it. Just too
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: different from what they were expecting.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: It's funny, because I saw online, they took a review
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: from that point in 82, the Carpenter review, and they
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: said you can actually replace all the references because all
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: they do is complain about the gross effects. They said
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: if you replace all those mentions with CG, it reads
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: exactly the same. It reads exactly like it would be
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: a review now with people bitching about CG. It's the
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: exact same complaints, only it's been how many years now?
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: 30 years.
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, people still kind of have the same reactions. Now,
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: this is one I wanted to go into, and I
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: guess you know the Carpenter version well. Had it ever
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: occurred to you that that wasn't its ship? I'd never
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: really thought. In either of the original two versions, it's
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: always been presented, and I always assumed that that creature
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: flying that ship came here to take over or whatever.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Of course, in the.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: The 50s version, it's obviously the ship, but there's no
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: reason to believe it in the Carpenter's version.
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: In this version, the way that they spell it out
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: is that it wasn't that creature's ship.
• 50:16
  Speaker 9: And it's funny, because number one, then it comes off
• 50:18
  Speaker 9: very much like Alien. It's another creature.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: Carrying this creature that then gets killed by it and
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: crash lands, and so it's very much like Alien.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: So we've got Prometheus pulling the same... Which is.
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: Falling into the same category as the thing. Trying to
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: prequel and readdress the story and explain things that maybe
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: you don't need explained. But then it also, to go
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: from one extreme to the other, it's kind of like
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: Alien in that respect. The other extreme is, it's kind
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: of like Creature, because the way that they envisioned it
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: is it was a fact-finding, specimen-gathering ship, and it gathered.
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: This one, and it obviously went horribly wrong.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: So... But in the ship, originally, they were planning on
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: shooting a segment in the beginning when they find it
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: where they also go inside, and there were all these different, like,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: capsules or whatever where they had different specimens in it,
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: and they rightfully took that out because I think it
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: would kind of kill the big finale if we already
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: went in the ship. But, yeah, they don't go into that,
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: but that was their plan, and that's still how they
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: see it in this version is that it was never
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: that creature's ship. It just... got aboard and killed them
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: and then ended up here and decided to conquer us too.
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: Why in the hell not?
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Would it be a better film if Klaus Kinski would
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: have shown up?
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Always.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: Stumbled in, groped the creature.
• 51:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Kind of quasi-raping women and then eating a sandwich and
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: then disappearing.
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: That's, that's, yeah.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: How could that make it worse, really? I mean, it's
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: got to improve it.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Klaus is a really good condiment. You can put him
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: in anything and he really improves it. I love Klaus.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: He's, he's, yeah. He's a special. He's in his own
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: little category.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Nothing could improve Creature. I'm sorry.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: It can't go anywhere but up.
• 52:10
  Speaker 20: I don't know.
• 52:11
  Speaker 10: For me, the story just didn't find an angle that
• 52:14
  Speaker 10: really renewed. It didn't give me anything to hang on
• 52:19
  Speaker 10: to that's going to be memorable. I mean, a week
• 52:22
  Speaker 10: after I watched it, I barely remember any of it.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 52:26
  Speaker 12: I remember.
• 52:27
  Speaker 10: I didn't even remember it being dark because I just
• 52:29
  Speaker 10: didn't care anymore.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: But I saw it right after I saw Thor.
• 52:33
  Speaker 10: Which is just a closet fest. It's like you're looking
• 52:38
  Speaker 10: at shirts and shit on hangers in a closet. What
• 52:41
  Speaker 10: the fuck is in here? I can't tell. And I
• 52:44
  Speaker 10: don't care. I don't know. And I watched it and
• 52:48
  Speaker 10: it was super dark and... And, you know, it could
• 52:53
  Speaker 10: follow the story, but the story doesn't have an angle
• 52:56
  Speaker 10: that relates whatever it's supposed to be about to something
• 53:01
  Speaker 10: that I might actually remember because I, you know, I'm
• 53:05
  Speaker 10: actually interested in it.
• 53:06
  Speaker 13: It's been a couple of years since I've seen the
• 53:08
  Speaker 13: original thing, but I think my biggest problem with this
• 53:11
  Speaker 13: movie is that it didn't really present any new information
• 53:15
  Speaker 13: so much. You know, like... couple of new things were discovered,
• 53:19
  Speaker 13: but for the most part, it was basically like the
• 53:23
  Speaker 13: same movie, but not as good set beforehand.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can get on board with that. As much
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: as I thought it was okay and liked it, I
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: will say it doesn't feel massively original. It explains a
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: few things, but it also follows a lot of the
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: beats of the original.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: I think the thing that I have, and I don't
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: necessarily want more information, the I always default back to
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: Star Wars. The problem with the prequels, no matter how
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: good they could have been, is it's explaining the things
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: that we really don't want to ever explain. We have
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: a better story in our brain of what happened than
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: Lucas could have ever put on film. Same thing with
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: this one. The horror in Carpenter's version of what happened
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: at this camp what would drive this guy to take
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: himself out or what, you know, everything. That story was
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: scarier and better not knowing what happened.
• 54:26
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I agree. I mean, you know, as much as
• 54:30
  Speaker 13: this movie is almost kind of pointless because it didn't
• 54:32
  Speaker 13: present anything new, but I do like in the original,
• 54:35
  Speaker 13: or the John Carpenter version, I guess, which technically isn't
• 54:37
  Speaker 13: the original, but, you know, where you walk into the
• 54:40
  Speaker 13: scene and the scene is so horrible because you have
• 54:43
  Speaker 13: no idea what's going on. If you knew why everybody
• 54:46
  Speaker 13: did that, then it's almost justified. It's not really... It
• 54:49
  Speaker 13: loses the effect.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: It violates one of the basic laws of filmmaking, which
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: is get into the scene as late as possible. That
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: keeps everybody's interest flowing. You don't have to have a
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: lot of backstory to make a story move. All of
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: these prequel things are doing the opposite of what you
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: should be doing. You know where your destination is. You've
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: already seen it.
• 55:10
  Speaker 11: So.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: For me, it could be good disposable entertainment, which I
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: think is the way you look at it. I mean,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I look at the first AVP that way. I'm easier
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: on that movie than a lot of people because it's
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: a couple monsters fighting. It's okay.
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, as long as you don't go into the second one.
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: No, no. The first one's a lot of fun.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: The second one, yeah, where the pizza delivery boy saves
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the earth.
• 55:27
  Speaker 9: The first one feels like a video game.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: It feels like a B-movie monster.
• 55:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: I kind of take it as WWF. Like, man, wouldn't
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: it be cool if we took this guy and put
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: this guy together and let him fight?
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: They do it pretty well.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what that is. Let's just throw him
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: in there.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: A lot of people hated it, but I enjoyed it.
• 55:45
  Speaker 10: I do remember that the movie begins with a joke.
• 55:50
  Speaker 10: They're telling the joke about the kid who walks in
• 55:54
  Speaker 10: on his parents having sex.
• 55:56
  Speaker 20: I don't know.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: I'm from a school of thought.
• 56:00
  Speaker 10: If you're going to open a movie with some dialogue,
• 56:06
  Speaker 10: it wants to go somewhere or have some connectivity to something.
• 56:12
  Speaker 10: But it's just an old joke I've heard before. And
• 56:14
  Speaker 10: why are they telling it in the movie? It doesn't
• 56:17
  Speaker 10: relate to anything.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: I think it's just character building. And I'll give them,
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: I buy those guys. I buy those performances. Whether or
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: not it meant anything to the story, I do like
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: that cast. I do buy the Norwegian guys. Yeah, I
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: totally buy the Norwegian guys. The American guys seem like
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: half of them have worked in this country and other stuff.
• 56:35
  Speaker 9: The one guy is in NCIS now or something.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Those are just kind of normal actors, but the
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: Norwegian guy's like, I totally buy them in those roles.
• 56:44
  Speaker 13: Wasn't the American guy from one of those National Lampoon movies,
• 56:50
  Speaker 13: which is the one with Ryan Reynolds?
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, the blonde-headed guy?
• 56:53
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: I think that's the one that's on NCIS now. Van something?
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: Van Wilder.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: Van Wilder.
• 56:58
  Speaker 13: I'm pretty sure that guy's in Van Wilder.
• 57:02
  Speaker 10: I saw the other day, the TV was on for
• 57:05
  Speaker 10: a minute, And I saw Fez from that 70s show
• 57:09
  Speaker 10: as a detective working alongside the guy from Goodfellas.
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: Just stop watching if Fez isn't there.
• 57:17
  Speaker 10: It was just so weird to see that.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: Fez is a douche.
• 57:21
  Speaker 10: But I don't know.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: In the real world, that guy is kind of a jackass.
• 57:25
  Speaker 10: If you go back and you watch the original Invasion
• 57:28
  Speaker 10: of the Body Snatchers, and they're just having casual conversation.
• 57:32
  Speaker 10: It's a divorced doctor, and he's talking to this girl,
• 57:35
  Speaker 10: and you're, And they're just sort of flirting and talking.
• 57:39
  Speaker 10: But that dialogue has the kernel of what the whole
• 57:43
  Speaker 10: fucking movie is about, just embedded in it. And it's not,
• 57:48
  Speaker 10: you know, like, you know, we're starting a movie, here
• 57:50
  Speaker 10: are some guys, they're telling a joke you've heard, and
• 57:53
  Speaker 10: it has nothing to do with anything. It's thematic.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Then you have to write off, like, everything Tarantino's ever done.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: Because all he does is useless dialogue, and then they
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: kill some people, but. I like it, but I'm just
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: saying it never really plays into the plot.
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: That's true. Okay, that is true, but that's different.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: It's part of what his whole thing is. It's all
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: about reference.
• 58:17
  Speaker 13: It is.
• 58:17
  Speaker 10: But at the same time, you can't compare that dialogue
• 58:20
  Speaker 10: to Tarantino either.
• 58:22
  Speaker 8: No.
• 58:22
  Speaker 10: Because Tarantino is doing a kind of credible minutia that's
• 58:27
  Speaker 10: striking and original and nobody else can do.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: It is. I'm just saying thematically.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. You had writers working in the golden era
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: who their sole reference weren't just movies. You've got screenwriters.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: All they know is TV and movies, and they just
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: ape what they've seen. It just keeps losing layers.
• 58:47
  Speaker 9: In The Thing from Another World, he references, what, Sergeant York?
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: He references another movie as to what to do in
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: this scene.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's one of the shining things about the first
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: film is just that dialogue's priceless. The way they're delivering
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: it is because actors are talking over each other just
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: like real people do. which is a hallmark of what
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Howard Hawks did back then. You believe all those guys.
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: They're very well drawn.
• 59:10
  Speaker 10: I heard the title of that Heinlein movie in the original,
• 59:15
  Speaker 10: in the 50s version. He said, oh, well, this alien thing,
• 59:20
  Speaker 10: it's a stranger in a strange land.
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: Got to work your records. That's funny.
• 59:26
  Speaker 10: But see, that movie didn't have dialogue that was all
• 59:31
  Speaker 10: that thematic either, but it did present a striking world
• 59:37
  Speaker 10: that had a bizarre quality to it. I mean, that
• 59:41
  Speaker 10: was a world that if you lived in it, and
• 59:43
  Speaker 10: I've never lived in that world where people are that
• 59:46
  Speaker 10: damn nice, and the one guy says, oh, he's getting
• 59:50
  Speaker 10: kind of creeped out in there watching that thing.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Maybe we can.
• 59:54
  Speaker 10: how nice are these people?
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: Isn't this the military?
• 59:57
  Speaker 10: They're super naturally nice.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: We'll cut those watches out.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 10: Well, and even the scientist, he's just grumpy and he
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 10: looks like, like Malfoy in like stage age makeup.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: Um, he does. And, but I don't know.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 10: It's just so weird that it's this, the world has
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 10: unified quality to it. Um, and although the, the dialogue
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 10: isn't all that thematic, it's, It's striking. It's something. And
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 10: for me, the 2011, it just doesn't have any of
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 10: those things. It doesn't have dialogue that somehow goes to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 10: the theme. It doesn't have dialogue that's just like fun
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 10: in and of itself, even though it isn't thematically connected.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 10: And it doesn't really present a world that's striking to me.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: It's believable.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 10: As the world, but you can look out a window
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 10: and see that.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: I think it's because it's not their world. I mean,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: if you're coming into someone, they have to make it
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: match the Carpenter version is the way that they took
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: on this project. So all they're doing is sort of
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: stealing from someone else's world, which there's not a lot
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: of fun in that. So you probably don't put a
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: lot of passion. There's not the same kind of inspiration. Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: that there is.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Carpenter's version just kind of takes that 50s world and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: turns it completely around where these guys all kind of
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: hate each other.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 10: Everybody hates each other.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: They've been fed up and stuck with each other forever.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: They're all really just ticked off.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 15: They all hate each other.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, not really, but then they all get
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: paranoid and love each other.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: And the Carpenter one is the only one with no
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 10: women in it. The computer chess game is the only
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 10: trace of feminine.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: And he kills her.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: Which I thought That's the thing. I did want to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: give credit to Mary Elizabeth Winstead. I thought she actually
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: does a good job. Again, there's other issues at work,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: but I don't think the acting's it. I think she
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: ends up... Because again, I was like, when they started
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: coming up with this idea two years ago, we mentioned
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: it on the show. It was like, oh God, why
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: would they do this? And they kept changing the story
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: and who was going to be the lead. So going
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: with her, I guess... gets him out of that trying
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: not to make a McReady thing. I mean, how can
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: you try to, I mean, he's become like this huge
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: iconic character in horror and in sci-fi and, you know,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: Carpenter's World in general. So, trying to recast what essentially
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: is that, I mean, the best you can do is
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: go 180 and bring in, which she becomes his character, basically. She,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, neither of them set out to be in charge,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: but when it becomes time, they step up and are like,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: screw it, this is how it's going to go down.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 9: I think she does a convincing job. I think she's
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 9: actually really good in this movie.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Speaking of in charge, I did like that line when
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: he goes, I guess she's in charge now. I thought
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: that was well done.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: They have moments. I also like the fact where they don't, Like,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: they will use the fact that they don't speak their
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: language against them, and they'll be talking amongst themselves. Once
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: they've separated, because that's kind of the best part of
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: that test scene, is then it's like half and half. Like,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: half the room is over here, half of it is
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: over here. These guys are, like, speaking Norwegian, and they
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: don't know what the hell they're saying. So it really
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: adds to that mistrust. There's moments where it does stuff right,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: but again, I think what you're saying is true as well.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: There isn't enough originality, and maybe it is because... All
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: they're doing is vamping someone else's world. They're just kind
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: of living off of someone else's basic world that they created.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: They're playing on a set that somebody else built.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 10: So you're saying they've replicated.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: It doesn't look quite the same as the original.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 10: It looks the same and acts the same, but there's
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 10: something missing.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 13: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: See, I think most, and you kept falling asleep, so
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: I guess you disagree. I thought the tension in the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: scenes kind of worked. You didn't like that. I think, again,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: I'll give you the dialogue is not memorable. It doesn't
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: create that. The characters aren't quite the same. Aside from
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: the Norwegians, those guys are pretty good. But I think,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: you know, Kate and the Norwegians are pretty good. The
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: other guys, the scientist guys, are useless, interchangeable characters, you know, whatever. But, yeah,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: I still think that the scenes with the monsters, what
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: they do with it is pretty damn entertaining It steps
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: up what they couldn't do in the 80s and lets
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: you have this window into what if we could do
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: more stuff back when they were doing this awesome real
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: physical work. So it changes it. It's not near as good,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: but I still found it entertaining and kind of liked
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: what they did right in the movie.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 15: I just thought the creature stuff, it was too much
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 15: in this movie. In the Carpenter one, it was kind
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 15: of minimal probably because with the practical effects, it couldn't
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 15: do as much. That was what made it more scary
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 15: with this one. It was just so much that it
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 15: wasn't scary, especially the climax on the ship where you
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 15: just had this big cartoon monster.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 9: That's probably the worst looking one is that one.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 15: And that's why I didn't sit through the credits because
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 15: by the end of that, I was like, okay.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: You were yelling at your wife.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: I was yelling at my wife.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: I was.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: It was so bad, I yelled at my wife.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: That's on the poster. Oh, God.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: I was yelling at her about stupid things, too.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 15: She heard when they started celebrating, the guy brought out
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 15: his ukulele and started singing, and she started yelling down
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 15: at me, like, oh, it sounds like they're having a
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 15: really great time in there.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 10: Yeah, some baritone ukulele, wasn't it? Yeah, I noticed that.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: So we were just kind of yelling at each other.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: She was just kind of listening in.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: Again, that's a Norwegian song that was popular. on the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: radio in the 80s they really did yeah it was
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: some sort of weird like american idol show in norwegia
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: in the 80s and they they uh they that they
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: asked those guys again those guys are all actually from
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: there and they were like what was a popular song
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: in the 80s because we need to you know they
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: came up with this idea to just start working in
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: the song in the middle of the scene and they
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: were like oh this was like huge at that point
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: so That is actually a song.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 10: Do you know what the show is called in Norwegian?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 9: We can find out.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: I don't have it on me.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 10: Because I heard this great story about a version in
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 10: Poland is so nice. It's kind of like the 50s world.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 9: The thing from another world.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: The thing from Poland.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 10: Their version of So You Think You Can Dance is
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 10: called You Can Dance.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: Laughter It's called Dance As If No One's Watching.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 15: I found myself wondering if Norwegians actually burst into song
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 15: in celebration, or if, as Americans, because we have movies
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 15: where the British do that as well, or if the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 15: Europeans actually do that, or if Americans just think they do,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 15: because they're weird in European movies.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: Well, they also seemingly drank every night after the shoot,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: so at that point they probably do burst into song
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: all the time. Just drinking all night long.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Americans in bars don't burst into song.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: That's because we're bitter and angry. That's how our country works.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 13: It's our sad, pathetic attempt to be socialist European countries.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 10: You know, when Dylan's Hard Rain came out, people thought
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 10: it was about nuclear holocaust. But if you look back
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 10: at history now, it's clear that it predicts the invention
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 10: of karaoke. oh lord i don't know i miss women
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 10: in the carpenter one i just don't care that much
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 10: about a world that doesn't have chicks in it that's why.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: I thought that was an interesting addition to this one
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: since it's still set in the same place the same
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: time that they still found a way to work a
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: couple in there although it it makes it really weird
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: in the 50s version it seems a little too at
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: home like everybody's like you know they're just talking about
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: going out on a date and They're having lunch, and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: it doesn't feel like they're isolated. It really just feels
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: like they walked in.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot more traffic in the Antarctic back then.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 10: Oh, and it has that officer's club feel.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 10: It's so cozy, and the rooms are huge. And their
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 10: version of a journalist who's trying to get a story,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 10: he says, I've got to get a story somewhere. Yeah,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 10: there's something about that movie that just really... Well, it
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 10: was funny that way, and it didn't seem to reflect...
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 10: I mean, there are no black people, or there's no.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: But it.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: A.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: Black person wouldn't... I mean, this is extremely stereotypical, but
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: there's one in the new version.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 13: I was going to say, there was one.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: There are a couple of guys.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: They wouldn't go to the Antarctic. They'd say, fuck you,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not going there. Most of the time, completely stereotypically, Most.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: Of us would say that too.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 10: Like, let's go climb rocks on a cliff for fun.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: And black guys are like, fuck you. Only white people
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: do stupid stuff like, let's go rock climbing, let's go camping,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: let's go, you know.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: You know, one thing.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 13: One thing I noticed that was really funny, he was like,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 13: lars hans whatever the fuck your name is go out
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 13: to the whatever in the freezing cold in the middle
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 13: of the fucking night in antarctica and get this for
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 13: me just because i said so and the guy's like
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 13: okay i would be like fuck you get it yourself
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 13: are your legs broken are you kidding.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: Me because they're gonna be and like in frozen they
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: go out within a storm without.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 15: A hood on yeah she just kind of runs out
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 15: in a sweater i mean i realized it was a
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 15: I don't know.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: It was kind of a panic. She was in a hurry.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe she just wasn't feeling well.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 13: I don't know anything about the actual temperature of the Antarctic,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 13: but wouldn't you pretty much die instantly if you ran out?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't take long.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: Probably. That reminds me of one of the things I
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: did want to mention that I really liked. Lars, for one,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: that guy's awesome. But again, the regions and Kate. The
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: Lars and Kate relationship is really well done. I wish
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: the rest of the stuff was... Because they don't even
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: speak the same language, so they never really have any
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: communication other than... There's this non-verbal partnership that they have.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: That whole middle section of the movie is them against
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: everybody else. They immediately realize... We're okay. We don't trust
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: the rest of these people. And then she starts coming
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: up with plans. He becomes the bodyguard for her. That
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: relationship is really awesome until he gets kind of taken
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: out of the mix. But yeah, that was one of
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: my favorite parts of it. And again, I wish more
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: of the relationship stuff with the rest of the Americans
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: was as well put together as Lars and Cade.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: I did like that part.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 15: When he's exonerated, he just kind of suddenly... Shifts over
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 15: to his side, to her side, and.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Points the flamethrower at everybody.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: And, like, the scene with the helicopter pilots in that room,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: he is just in their face with it, and for
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: no reason, like, he just met this girl, like, a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: day ago, but he is this weird situation has thrown
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: them together and he has her back regardless. You just
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: think she's hard.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 13: She's the only woman he's seen in two years.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 10: Exactly. You would naturally tend to do that.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: That's why they wouldn't send women into that world anyway
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: is because they're victims at that point if the guys
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: go crazy in the middle of the night.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: As they say, try to wrap up your business quickly.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: You do not want to be stranded with much of Norwegian.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 9: That's the thing with her.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: I mean... she's still like, and they even gave her
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: credit for not worrying about being pretty all the time. She's,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: you know, you haven't slept in two days, you're stuck
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: in the middle of Antarctica, you're fighting a monster. But, yeah,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: then I, like, later just clicked on something for the
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: movie and it brought up a picture of her at, like,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: the premiere.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 9: I didn't recognize her.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: Like, Jesus, she looks totally different when she's, like, all
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: girlied up. She's, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 10: In the 50s one, like, when a man and a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 10: woman are alone together and they've had some sort of
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 10: physical thing, she's going, it just seems so comfortable.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And even when one ties the other up.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: In the 50s.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I was like, is it okay to be working
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: in the bondage angle here in 1951? Is it really?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Pushing a slip stop.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a sneaky guy.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: It takes her a long time to notice as well.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, he's not going to.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 9: I was like, aren't you paying attention?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 10: It is funny, though, if you actually watch the 2011
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 10: as a prequel.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 10: And then you start to watch the John Carpenter, okay,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 10: the thing has been out, and has been hideous, and
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 10: I'm just going to be a dog for a while, and.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: Walk around, take my time. Everybody likes dogs.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 10: You can work yourself right. And it becomes very far
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 10: side cartoon funny, because you've got the whole weight of
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 10: the other movie behind it, and then you've just got
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 10: this dog.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: It's It works for it when it lays low, doesn't it?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: It works as a better bad guy, a smarter bad guy,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: if it lays low. It reveals itself an awful lot.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 10: The psychology becomes very funny when you've had it. It's
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 10: the thing. No, no. I'm going to be a dog
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 10: for a while.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 13: That's what was confusing to me. Like I said, it's
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 13: been a while since I've seen the John Carpenter version,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 13: but wasn't it a dog for, like, a really long time?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, quite a while.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 10: It's a dog just trotting around for quite a while.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 13: But the second that it's, when it's, like, in human
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 13: form and it's alone with the people, it's like, I'm
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 13: going to eat you.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 13: Doesn't make any sense.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 10: Well, it's hard to know what a thing is thinking.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: I love that shot in the Carpenter when.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 15: When the dog kind of peers around the corner, then
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 15: just kind of walks down the hall, and.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: You see the shadow, and the dog stops and just
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: goes and fades away.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 10: It reminds me of that movie where Lassie.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: Kills a dog.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 13: I just realized I'm not going to feel the same
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 13: going home to my dogs.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: I asked mine if they were things earlier.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 10: I remember. I just checked their fillings.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: I checked her fillings.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 9: I told you that one brushes a lot, so you
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 9: can't trust her.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 13: She's perfectly straight.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 10: I just pierced my dog's ear. so she can't remember i.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 13: Mean actually if you're if you come home and your
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 13: dog has no collar then i mean because how can
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 13: it put a collar on itself it.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Can transform it can turn the tentacles put it.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 10: On that's right it's it's a craft it can be
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 10: all in between we know this it's sometimes it's all
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 10: dog but if it chooses to it can have like
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 10: the two meshed faces.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: If you catch it in the middle of the transformation,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: it's all kinds of crazy shit.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 13: Once it bursts out and is like, can it go
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 13: back to being just a dog?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: That was the exact noise from the movie.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: It can, because then later, in this movie, we do
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: see him go from monster back into human form. Continue on.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 13: I couldn't remember.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: I wish you could go back and edit in Merlina
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: doing the bob.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 20: Oh, you can.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 9: That's what YouTube's for.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: That would be great.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: If somebody wants to work on that project, get on it.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: The one thing they will, and I guess this is
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: a good tie-in between the 50s and the 2011, is
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: that the 50s did one of the first body burns.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: It does a really good scene where they set the.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 9: Creature on fire.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: And they're just slinging the kerosene everywhere.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: It's just, yeah.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: That was so great. It was so stupid. And they
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: give the girl a bucket of kerosene.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: We got a bucket of kerosene.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: You just stand over here.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: But they really did it. That's what's cool. They don't
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: rely on CG back then. Those mattresses are good shields
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: for fire.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 13: They're flame retardant.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: They did a lot of... a lot of firework in
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: this new one. Like, as much as they CG'd some
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: of it, they lit a lot of people on fire.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: In this movie.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: That's good.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: It's always a mark of a good picture.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: With guys on fire.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: They did a good job with a lot of the firework.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: I'll give them that.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 13: Back to... voices or something was it you friend posted
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 13: a clip from beauty and the beast where someone's dubbing
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 13: hey girl hey girl oh yeah.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 10: That was the bitchy version of beauty and the.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 13: Beast let's try bitch that.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 10: Was really funny in places.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 13: I mean it wasn't like yeah really funny but they're.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 10: Kind of like uh have you seen Donna's tits? Don't
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 10: they look real?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: It was pretty funny.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 10: I mean, it wasn't laugh out loud all the way through,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 10: but if you stuck with it, it had its moments.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 13: It did have its moments, yeah.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: I agree.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: Disney guys, those are weird characters.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 13: It was like a very flamboyantly gay man.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 10: And he could actually sing, and he'd done summer stuff
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 10: in Cape Cod or something. He could sing, and he
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 10: sang this bitchy version of of Belle going around the
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 10: little French town and just... Nice.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 6: Okay, sorry.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: In the new thing, was anybody.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 15: Else bothered by the fact that she cut the transmission
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 15: to the vehicles and then later on they just kind
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 15: of jump in and go off?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: I was thinking at the time, isn't there a better
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: way to do that?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 13: Well, I thought, wasn't he putting it back together? But, like,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 13: if it was that easy, what's the fucking point?
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much. That's what I was like, can't you just, like,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: take the, you know, spark plugs out or something? I mean,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: isn't there a better, easier way to fix it later
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: without cutting everything?
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 18: No.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 13: Well, I mean, if you're going to cut it and
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 13: then it's so easy to fix it, then what's the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 13: point of cutting it?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: But, I mean, you can't totally destroy it, because, again,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: they're planning on somewhere down the line.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 9: Hopefully they were planning on getting out.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 15: Well, on that note, that's something I really liked about
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 15: the Carpenter one, was he said, none of us.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Are getting out of here alive, so let's make damn
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: sure it doesn't either.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: They understood it was important not to.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which she actually says, too. She's just like, we
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: can't let this... Again, they were assuming they were going
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: to beat it, where, like, Kurt Russell's just like, fuck it,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: we'll all die, as long as he does, too, so... Again,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: it's a very Carpenter, grim, 80s-looking thing.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 9: He's not known for his happy, upbeat movies.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 13: One thing that I liked was the humanity of these people.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 13: If you've been isolated for so long, I would think
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 13: you kind of forget that the rest of the world exists.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 13: You'd kind of be like, whatever, get the fuck out
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 13: of here. Don't bother me. You're in Antarctica. Why do
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 13: you care?
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 9: Which, again, they all kind of did. She was the
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 9: voice of reason.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I thought it was really... Interesting that they, I mean,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 13: I guess her pushing it, they were so like... we'd
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 13: rather die than let this thing infect humanity it wasn't
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 13: like every man for themselves kind of thing it was
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 13: like let's work together to beat this save.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 10: Everybody else so i said to my son we watched
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 10: the 2011 one together and i said you know that's
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 10: probably really what humanity needs is an enemy from the outside.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: That's the only.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 10: Way we will all unite is to have an enemy outside.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 10: And that will be the thing that unites us. And
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 10: he says, well, how is that better? how is that
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 10: better than us just, you know, fighting each other?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: And I said, it's not.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 9: We, as a species, need to fight something.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 13: I mean, what do you think 9-11 was for America?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: We just need something to fight.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah, we blew through all that goodwill.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 15: Wait, but the thing, though, you'll get the people who
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 15: are like, we need to destroy it, and then the scientists,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 15: the scientifically minded people are like, no, we need to
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 15: study it.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: Then there's There's going to have rights for the alien.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 10: And that's why I still think Huck Finn is like
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 10: the fantasy figure that is most truly American because he's
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 10: a kid who feels guilty, yet he's innocent. And he's
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 10: our fantasy because we're guilty and we feel innocent.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: That's America.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's us.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 13: Oh.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: But now that we have anything else before we wrap
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: this thing.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: Up, I wanted to bring up something that's, that's geeky.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: And I don't even know who I talk about it, but.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: Since we're talking about check the date on porcelain fillings, okay,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: you can't get any more nitpicky.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: No, this is, I don't know the, the Norwegian pop songs.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: It's a pretty good job. No, this is a, this
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: is a tangent. And again, I'm going towards star Wars,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: but we're, we talk about prequels and this one's a
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: quasi prequel. Here we go. Um, And I guess because
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: it's timely. I've seen this in a couple of places
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: now on the Internet. I don't know if anybody else
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: has seen this yet. They've revealed some genius came up
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: with the right way to watch the Star Wars films
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: so that they're actually good.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 9: I just heard this on the show that you posted
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 9: the other day.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, that's on there.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: So I didn't want to steal theirs, but if you
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: think it's worth it.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: Theirs was stolen from a couple.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: Of other people that have all the references.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 11: Okay, okay.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll steal this from another podcast.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Do you want to.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: I say we wrap up the thing and you can
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: round it out with that. Because that's its own... It's
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: pretty cool. I was going to bring it up and
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: see if you'd heard him go into it too. I
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: say we come back to that. The other thing I
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: was going to do to wrap up, I was going
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: to say, number one, I do like, and this only
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: works if you go through the credits, I do like
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: that they do perfectly tie it in. They have their
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: entire own theme the rest of the movie and they
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: they have a pretty impressive well put together you know
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: theme but at the end when you get to that
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: credit scene the carpenter theme kicks in And you see
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: him get into the helicopter, and you're following him.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 9: Into the movie.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: Thumping bass.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're following that.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: That was kind of at the beginning of the movie, too, though.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: They worked in that little thumping heartbeat kind of noise,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: but the whole middle portion, they have their own theme,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: which is pretty good.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: I was listening to some of it. They brought in
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: that sort of thumping synthesizer.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: The most Carpenter theme I've ever heard that he didn't write.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: That's more Coney, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: Good score. But they tie it in with that scene,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: and it leads right into the helicopter and right into
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: the next movie. So if you buy it as a prequel,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: they do a really good job of gearing you up
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: and leading right into it with that theme, especially because
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: that theme is fucking awesome.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: If they wanted you to watch it under the credits,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: they needed to make it better.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 10: Well, there are a lot of things about the storyline
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 10: and the plot elements that they piece together. But there's
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 10: something about the psychology in the way the thing behaves
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 10: and just the way people behave that really is disconnected
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 10: between the two of them.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 9: It doesn't necessarily, like we said earlier, it doesn't make
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 9: sense exactly.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: It makes sense within the context of the movie for
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: it to be creepy and hide and look like everybody else.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 9: But within the story, it's like, If it can just
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 9: be that monster.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: And run around and take over, wouldn't it just take
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: over the whole place at once?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 9: Like, why even bother?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: Like, it's pretty damn powerful. If you can grab a
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: couple of people, make a couple more of those monsters,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: wouldn't you overrun it in, like, 15 minutes? No.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: Then you wouldn't have a movie.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah. In a way, it's only for the sake of
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: the movie that they work that aspect in. If you
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: want to go into the psychology of the monster, it
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily make sense.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 15: Maybe it needs, like, some time to recharge or something.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 15: We don't really know the inner.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: Workings of the thing.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 13: Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 10: But I don't know, that always occurs to me. Like
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 10: when we watch the creature from the Black Lagoon, it's like,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 10: why would he be there at the edge of the
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 10: thing with his hand up? What's he doing?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: He's trying to find that girl up there.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 10: Where's he got that hand up?
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: Can he see out of it?
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 21: Where's that hot.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 9: Human chick at?
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: She looks pretty good.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 10: It is funny, like other species do like our women.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: That's the weird thing. That's why you can't trust this
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: thing from outer space. It doesn't want to mate with anybody.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: It just wants to take them over. It doesn't want
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: to have sex. Yeah, but it doesn't get off on it.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: What kind of sex is that if you don't get.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 10: Off on it?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: That's why I don't trust the thing. He doesn't want
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: to mate with our women. That's what you come to
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: this planet for.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 10: You don't know with the thing whether it's nude or not.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 10: You can't tell what some of that stuff is.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: Plus, he discards the clothing and everything, you know.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: I know. Much like showgirls, after a while, if you
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: don't care that they're naked anymore, it just takes all
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: the fun out.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: Of it. Maybe the thing likes dudes. Maybe it's female.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: Well, either way, but he doesn't seem like he cares
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: about them either. He just kills and mates with their
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: face indiscriminately of whoever it is.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 9: Again, it doesn't look like it's enjoying it.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: It's going to be my.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 13: Next Valentine's Day card.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: I want to mate with your face.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 13: We should go.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: Ahead and start making those up now and selling.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 9: Them for February.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: That would be a great Valentine's movie meltdown shirt.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 9: Get to work on it.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: Somebody start sending in the money.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 7: Oh, man.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 10: Speaking of things, we were out walking the other day,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 10: and we saw, I think they're Japanese beetles. They're just
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 10: having a damn orgy. All of them were locked together
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 10: and crawling around.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: And they're going to take over. You just wait. So
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: the last thing I wanted to round it out with,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: and this leads me to two different questions.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 9: Number one, so in this one, Kate sort of survives, right?
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: What do we think happens to her?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: Amelia Earhart.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: She finds the lost Amelia Earhart and they have another
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: buddy pictured again?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe she goes to the Russians and there could be
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: a sequel.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say. Because initially you're like, oh,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: she's just going to freeze like in the other movie.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: But no, he specifically brings up the fact that there's now,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: because all right, we've had the American base. We've got
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: the Norwegian base. So now, yeah, he also brings up
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: that there's a Russian base within driving distance. So I
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: think now we can have a prequel, old movie, sequel,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: and you can work in a whole other, or like
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: a timeline alternate, like same day as the Carpenter one
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: going on. Because that's the thing, all this, then they
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: went into the timeline, and they also have to figure
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: out where Kate's at because she can't run into any
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: of the other characters. If she gets back to that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: base too soon, she'll run into Lars before he leaves
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: for the helicopter.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: If she waits too long, she'll run into Kurt Russell
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: and the rest of the guys. So it's like she's
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: got to time it just right to not fuck up
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: the next movie.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 10: So did the Carpenter one have the worst radio communications?
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: Because it seemed like.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 10: In the 50s they could get messages that were broken
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 10: up and sort of late. But in the Carpenter one,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 10: it was the guy who was named Windows Figures. And
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 10: he was like, I can't get anything on this thing.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: He couldn't get, like, they never got a message through.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: They'd been dead for weeks or something is what he said.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 10: And is that, do you think that's why they named
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 10: it Windows? The software was maybe named after this movie?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 13: Uh the the point of their the initial point of
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 13: their science expedition was to study like glacier patterns right.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: Something like that which one the one there i think
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: it was that one yeah because the american one's just
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: like a radio base or something wouldn't it yeah it
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: was just gathering information i mean.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 13: Science equipment in general i would assume i mean from
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 13: what i know is pretty specific you know you're not
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 13: gonna like You're in the Arctic. You didn't fly in
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 13: this girl in an entirely new laboratory. You're not going
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 13: to have the stuff to study this. It just didn't
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 13: make a lot of sense to me.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: I just want her to thaw it out for them.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: They just wanted a girl up there, really. Find somebody
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: who's a grad student and a chick.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 13: I mean, couldn't... Any regular person thaw a creature?
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: Don't they have a microwave? It's 82. They had microwaves.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 10: No, but her graduate thesis on thawing had caught their attention.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 13: Can you hire, like, a Maytag repairman to do this?
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 13: Do you really need a graduate student?
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 10: I think you just get the electric blanket from the.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: I think her thesis was thawing undead creatures and underground
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: Australian music. I think that was her areas of expertise.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 13: I mean, because that would make sense, but then.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: All they did was, like.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 13: sit the ice block in the room.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah it was very oh they drilled they drilled and
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: she fucking told him.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 13: Not to she didn't have anything to do with that.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: That's what pissed it off it would have just laid
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: there and taken a nap but they were like to
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: fucking stab me while i'm trying to.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 10: So what were the guys doing there in the carpenter
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 10: one I mean, I know that Kurt Russell was a
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 10: helicopter pilot.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: It's just kind of a permanent base. It's just a base.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: It's a McMurdo base.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 10: Because they didn't really seem to have a lot of
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 10: scientific wonder when they were looking at the thing. It's
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 10: this thing, and they were looking at it like, newman
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 10: in basic instinct looking at a vagina they just look
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 10: sort of like sweaty yeah.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: Well that's i mean that's something that is kind of
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: interesting and i guess that's why people like that carpenter
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: version so much is it's just blue collar guys it's
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: just it's same thing as alien it's it's blue collar
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: guys thrown into the middle of a situation they're not
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: prepared for and this is how they deal with it
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: where these are And I guess that's why we get
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 5: the big scientific scene of, you know, all we had
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: was Wilford Brimley the first time to tell.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Us what the hell was going on. Yeah, he's just
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: the doc.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: He's the doc. But this one, I mean, we've got
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: the guy cutting him open, telling you how it's, you know,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: mimicking this thing. And she's looking through the microscope, seeing how,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: you know, the cells are taking over. So, I mean,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: it's definitely more scientific.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 10: Pac-Man.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: Pac-Man's awesome, and we all know it. If the 80s
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: taught us nothing, it's that Pac-Man's awesome.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely takes a different angle.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: That was a very good microscope, by the way.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: Hell yeah.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: That was an exceptionally good microscope.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: They've got a lab.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: To look at that.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: And I don't know.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know. And I don't like, there was a,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: when you talk about all the scientific jargon they're using,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: there was so much telling. And that's when I'm, that's
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: when I fall asleep is times like that. I'm like,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: I don't need you to explain this. I don't want
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: you to explain it. Just get to the good stuff.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: Have a conversation, but don't, you know, hear class and
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: get out his pointer or whatever.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but we're dumb. I know. Well, literally, I think
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: that's some of why they did that is because they
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 5: were assuming this is sort of a prequel, but at
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: the same time, this truthfully does work without having seen
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: the other ones, so... You do almost have to explain
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: things to these new... Again, a whole new batch of kids.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: Or at least they feel they have to explain things. Again,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: you really don't. That's the big problem with producers.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: Because the Carpenter version does it, and the first time through,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: we all made it through just fine and understood it.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 9: So you don't have to.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: But now, again, the industry, what it is now, they
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: feel like they have to explain it to dumb kids
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: who haven't seen the previous one.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 13: Tell that to the people who made Girl with the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 13: Dragon Tattoo. Seriously. I mean, I like the movie, but
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 13: my boyfriend was talking about it this morning. He's like,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 13: you know... If you think about it, and he saw
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 13: this synopsis of why it was not a good movie,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 13: because in the book, most people lose interest because it's
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 13: like 40 pages of Swedish economics, which explains why the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 13: guy that they hate in the movie is a bad guy.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 13: They skip that in the movie, and then at the end,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 13: she's like, trying to take this guy down, but they
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 13: never explained why he's bad, so it kind of just
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 13: seems like a bitch.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: She's just an evil businessman.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but by the end, she's a rich bitch, and
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: that's really all that matters.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 10: Yeah, basically, I think in a movie, you can just
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 10: assume a businessman is evil.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: Does he have a tie on?
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 10: All you have to do is say corporation, and it's
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 10: like evil.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 9: The ultimate evil in most movies.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 15: But then he's working for them. The Wenger Corporation, which
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 15: are the good guys. Except, no, no, no, they're all Nazis.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, wait a minute.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 9: Wenger Corporation.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 10: That reminds me. There's a story. I think, like, this month,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 10: scientists have managed to create, like, a life that replicates itself.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 10: Is it the Wenger Corporation?
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 7: Institute.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 10: It's something like that. This story's going around now. They've
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 10: got a strand of DNA they wrote. So the thing
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 10: is being created and it's replicated and they've tried it
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 10: many times before and this time it worked.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: So when we don't get killed off by a zombie
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: outbreak it will be the thing outbreak instead.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 9: It's one or the other at this point.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 11: Cool.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: Can Gwyneth Paltrow be the one to die first?
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: Let's hope so. Sorry Gwyneth. That was mean.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 10: And after she's been on the show.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, wait, no.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: She's a future guest.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: She's coming on later.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 10: We didn't mean it, Gwyneth.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 6: We're just kidding.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 15: I do want to make a quick note of something.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 15: Just coincidentally, I discovered this past week, so it was
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 15: really appropriate. I started watching The X-Files recently. I've never
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 15: seen it before.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 13: Ah!
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: Oh wow you got to the episode so.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 15: I got to episode nine i was five minutes and.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 10: I was like wait.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: Chris carter calls himself out he's just like yeah this
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: is my thing like.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 15: I read about it after i watched it and it
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 15: was intentionally based on who goes there the character campbell
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 15: after john cam was like yeah that's pretty cool and
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 15: really timely.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I thought was fun, is if he
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: just ripped it off, that's bad. But if he calls
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: himself out, I'm okay with it. Like, feel free to
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: rip other people off and own up to it. That's fine,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: because Hollywood does it all the time.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 9: They just lie about it usually.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: I love David Duchovny.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 15: Does anybody else notice that, like, in the early 90s,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 15: he sounds like Gene Wilder?
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 9: He doesn't look like him.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: No, but it's really distracting.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: I've got to close my eyes to imagine that, but
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: it could be.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 15: I told a friend about it who told me to
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 15: watch the X-Files, and I showed him, and he said, Yeah,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 15: it does sound like Gene Wilder.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: I'm now picturing Gene Wilder in Californication, and this is
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: really scary. Please, stop sleeping with those young girls, Gene Wilder.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: Or Gene Wilder.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: And David Duchovny.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: Or Gene Wilder and Dragon Twin Peaks.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: That might be hot. Wait a minute.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 10: How many episodes is it before Scully smiles?
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 8: 78.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 9: Is it?
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: It's well into the... It's pretty far in.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: That was actually one of my criticisms.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 15: I would text my friend all the time, like, Gillian
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 15: Anderson has cold, dead, emotionless eyes, and it's getting a
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 15: little better with each episode.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 10: Oh, man, I could.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Just watch her all day.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: See, you said it the way I love it, and
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 5: I wish that was her name. I don't think she
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 5: pronounces it that way. I think she says it Gillian,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: and I was so let down when I heard that.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: Because Gillian is an awesome name, I think she pronounces
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: it Gillian, and I was so sad.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 9: That's so normal.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: It's lame.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 13: It's so funny, because Emily Deschanel's character on Bones is so...
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 13: wannabe Scully. She's so dry and emotionless.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 10: Early on, her character is really cool, but Later, she's
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 10: seen so much shit, and she still doesn't believe it.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: That's what doesn't make sense. She just seems dense.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 10: She just starts to seem stupid.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you want to call out a show,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: call out Fringe, because it's exactly the same show. Which
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: I think they acknowledge it, too. They're just like, well,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: that show's over. Let's make a new one.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 10: So eventually, she's got stuff implanted in her neck. She's
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 10: been probed by aliens and shit.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 13: It's OK.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 18: I'm making it up.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 14: OK.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 10: Don't worry.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: Even within the context of the show, they changed their
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: own story about 12 times. So get ready for that.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: You're not going to ruin anything.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: No, you can't.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: To hear zero spoilers over the years.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: You can't ruin it.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's no way.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: It's still, it's good up, well. Up to the movie.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: You'll know when it.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: Jumps the chart.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: Up to the movie.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: The movie's good, and then after that, it starts steadily
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: down the hill.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 10: I don't know, in the end, they keep trying to
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 10: wrap it up, but there's so much repressed emotion longing
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 10: between the two of them. They're looking at all the
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 10: weird stuff in the world, but the thing they don't
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 10: understand is that they should fall in love. The only
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 10: way to really have wrapped it up with a movie
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 10: would be porn.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: Which there is. That's the only way. Just go looking
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: for it. There's an X-Files porn. And the thing is,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: they both look frighteningly close. It's kind of scary.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 9: So if you've got a Jillian thing going on, go
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 9: find that X-Files porn.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 10: Well, you know, she's interesting because... She's really.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: Beautiful sometimes, but sometimes.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 10: She's very troll-like and ugly, and you can't really tell
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 10: when it shifts. She's wearing that overcoat, and sometimes she's
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 10: so beautiful, and then it's like, wait, she's fugly.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: What's going on? When she starts yelling at people, it's
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: really fucking hot.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: In the movie, when she starts barking orders at those
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: people behind, when they have the bombs in the building,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: oh shit, that is hot.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 10: It just makes her really interesting to watch. You know,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 10: unlike many people in movies who are just, you know.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 13: It's the lighting.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 13: Which is the difference between lady, can I buy you
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 13: a drink? And lady, can I call you a.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Cat?
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: And the same thing, the same relationship, is on Castle now.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: It's in all of those.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 13: It's like the professionalism, science, or police relationship.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: The witty, fun believer.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 5: The mentalist is Castle. It's the exact same show, only
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: he's got a different job. But basically the dynamic is
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: exactly the same. So now we're veered off into TV talk.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 13: We're just not good at thinking of new dynamics.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: They throw a lot of literary references into it because
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: he's a writer. And so you get references from other shows.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: You get references from other books. Even great works of art,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: they'll throw things in. It's fun.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: It's smarter than most crappy mainstream TV shows.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: And they just gloss over it. They'll throw you a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: couple of things and you won't even miss it.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 9: It's still pretty mainstream, but Nathan Fillion makes up for it.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: He's fucking awesome. And you get you get at least
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: three Firefly references.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 10: You know that's worth it here's the thing I tried
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 10: to watch Firefly I'm not a big sci-fi guy.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Don't go there man uh oh no no.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: I'll throw punches.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: Address that to Fred the emails to Fred I tried to.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 10: Watch the first episode and in the first five minutes
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 10: there are like three Saving Private Ryan quotes and a
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 10: couple of them are the same one I don't know
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 10: I couldn't do it He does the kissing the cross
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 10: thing like in.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 10: It's just fucking weird. I can't get past it. I
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 10: don't know.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: It's my problem.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 10: I know it's my issue.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: Now that we've had our TV breakdown, do we want to...
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: Are we done with the thing in all its forms?
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 10: Are you going to play Teenage Breakdown as a TV
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 10: breakdown thing? No.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: There's too much thing music to go into, so we will...
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: take a break, fire off some thing music, and come
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 5: back with Greg's story, which is pretty genius, that we've
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: stolen from six other places.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 9: So, yeah, it's pretty awesome, though.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: You'll have to listen to it. So, we will be back.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 18: I remember there was one dark and dreary night. The
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 18: sky was dark and not a trace of light. That
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 18: shortcut through the graveyard.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: Didn't feel too good.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 18: But nothing was going to happen, at least I didn't
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 18: think it could. Then I heard a noise that sounded like.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: Great big feet.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 18: Then I thought about the smarts that craved on human meat.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 18: Was it the creature from the black lagoon?
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 15: No.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 10: Was it the creature called Frankenstein?
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, no.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: Was it the.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 10: Creature called Wolfman?
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 6: No creature.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: Was it?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 12: It must have been that thing.
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• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: That's part of your problem, you know.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 7: You haven't seen enough movies.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 6: All of life's.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: Riddles are answered in the movies.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 7: And now, on with the show.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 5: All you can do is move the loop.
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• 1:42:08
  Speaker 10: What I'm trying to do is gradually, over the episodes,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 10: spread out all the things that are eventually going to
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 10: alienate me from everyone on Earth.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: You're doing pretty good.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: I do a pretty good job, too. No one I
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: know will ever, I will not want anyone to listen
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: to this show.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: Most people I know won't, so I don't worry.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 13: My mom keeps asking for the website, and I just
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 13: make stuff up.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: Most people I know that would ask that kind of
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: question would not have the patience to listen to an episode.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: They get 15 minutes in and be like, what are
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 5: you guys talking about?
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: So, I don't worry about it.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: Nobody listens to me.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 5: Nobody I know would care.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 5: Everybody I know that would care is on the show.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 9: I broke them all in.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: Just like, hey, you're like this kind of... And Randy,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 5: which if he lived here, would be here every damn week.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: All right, so we're back, and if... I don't know.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: Do you want to go into the... Do we need
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: to pull up who originally came up with this concept?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you could look it up.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 9: While you're telling it, I'll come up with the guy's name.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: Go ahead and you can... Some genius out there, geek genius,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: thought like I do, lying awake at night, of how
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: to fix Star Wars and the prequels.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 10: Well.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: Assuming the prequels exist.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: Assuming the prequels exist.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: If they have to exist, what's the best way?
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: Right, what's the best way to actually do this? And
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: the best way to introduce the person, like if you're
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: going to introduce it to your children for the first time,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: how to introduce it to them.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: I like that they brought that in there too, because
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: that is something we've discussed on this show before.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: And the best way is a brand new order to
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: all the movies. Start with A New Hope, which everyone
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: else in the world did, or that matters, started with
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: A New Hope. Continue on to Empire Strikes Back, and
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: then you get the greatest literal and physical cliffhanger of
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: the series of Luke finding out that his father is
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: Darth Vader, and he falls off a cliff, you know. Well, then,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: at the dire moment when you know, the Empire's now winning,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: Han's gone, Luke's lost his hand, it seems like everything's lost,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: you go into flashback mode.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: Because at this point he's wondering, well, how did Darth
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: get to be my father?
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: Right, and you... completely erased the first movie, Phantom Menace.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: It never existed.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: You don't get to see it. He said if you
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: had to, you could put it in there in that order,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: but nobody gives a rat's ass.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 9: If Darth Maul wasn't in there, you'd just burn the
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 9: whole damn thing.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: And the good thing is you get rid of the midichlorians.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: You get rid of the whole trade disputes, trade federation thing.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: All the clunkiness of the young boy, all of that's gone.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 5: And Jar Jar.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: And Jar Jar.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: Jar Jar has like five lines.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 20: 45 minutes.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 13: Podricks.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Podricks.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: So you have cleaned up, and then you jump into
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: the two movies that aren't as bad if you get
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: rid of the first one. You get, what, four lines
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: from Jar Jar?
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: You get some awesome lightsaber fights.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: You get the whole Padme, Amidala, Switcheroo thing that doesn't
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: make any sense gone.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's gone.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: And then you just go into the action of There's
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: a dispute. There's good guys. There's bad guys.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: You get the Sith coming in. You understand how the
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: clones come into power.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: Blah, blah.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: That stuff still takes place.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: Right. But you still don't have to worry about all
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: of the... This person was this person's Padawan.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 11: No.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: You just... Obi-Wan is training Anakin. They're good friends. Let's go.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: And then you get Revenge of the Sith, which is
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: a pretty good movie as far as action and adventure
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: and violence, and then you can go right back into,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: you've built it back up, and oh, now I understand
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: the gravitas and can watch Return of the Jedi. And
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: the other thing that way.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: The cliffhanger, because we... Also, I like that, that it
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: keeps both cliffhangers in this order.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: The best, yeah.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: Because if you watch one through three, you ruin the father.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 9: I don't want to spoil it, but the whole Darth
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 9: Vader thing.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: You kill that. If you were a little kid and
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: you didn't know that, you'd lose that moment, which... It
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: was a fucking huge moment in our lives. But the
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: other thing that it keeps in this order is the
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: twins thing.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 24: Right.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: You don't know anything about the twins.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: By the time you get to three, you haven't watched
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: Jedi yet. You're like, wait, she had twins? And you
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: don't know until you get to Jedi. Then it's like, oh, hey,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: it's Leia. Which, by the way, seems really... tacked on anyway.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: We've always kind of thought that, but.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: But still, you don't get that.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: But you don't ruin that moment.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: Right, and then by then, you're prepared for all of
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: those things. You've gotten the backstory of how it could happen.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: You see him fall, and then... Which, the other point
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: that is made is... Empire's so good that you lose
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: how good Jedi can be.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: Because you're coming off of it, and you're like... It's
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: not as good.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: If you're watching Jedi compared to the prequels, Jedi is
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: pretty good.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: It feels like, oh, we're back in the real world now.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: We're back out of the flashback. We get to see
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: Jedi the way it was originally intended. And everything's in
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: a nice, neat package and not as bad as it
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: was before.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: Rod Hilton is his name. A blog post by Rod
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: Hilton that came up with this whole plan. I have
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 5: to say, it's pretty interesting. And last, the only other
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: option is to have Topher Grace re-edit your movie. Have
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: you heard that one?
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 20: No.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: Topher got a hold of Prince of the Original Three,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: and I think he wants to get into filmmaking, so
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 5: he was trying to sort of like just work on
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: stuff and kind of step up his editing skills. So
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: he took the original three prints of one through three,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: not the original good movies, the prequels, and re-edited them
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: down to a shorter running time than any one of
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: the prequels. cut out once again cut out the entire
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: first movie it it kicks in with it does like
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: a crawl he made his own crawl that explains the
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 5: intro and then it kicks in with the darth maul
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: battle kill qui-gon go right into obi-wan you get like
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: a minute with the little kid the little kid's out
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: of the way after that and then he edited down
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: all of the the still leftover nonsense in the second
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: one and the third one and combined it into one
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: movie that's a shorter running time you lose a lot
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: of the crazy romance stuff that we probably don't care
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: about you keep the battle at the end and you
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: get the movie all wrapped up in one so it
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: really could have been one movie to tell this whole
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: story that he drug out over three oh easily nobody
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: cares about it there's.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 10: Another version of of it out there which is if
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 10: i remember right it's My girlfriend who has never seen
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 10: Star Wars explains Star Wars.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: I've seen versions of those, yeah.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 10: That's very good. That's an excellent version. So Topher Grace
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 10: apparently like down in his parents' basement smoking weed.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 10: Came up with this.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: Allegedly I don't know for sure but it's one of
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: those he's never going to be able to release it
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: like he did it and he invited friends of his
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: and he invited certain people from like different websites and
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 5: a little like geekier members of the press to come
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: to this one.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 9: Like showing that he had so I don't know I guess.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: It could make like convention showings or something but he's
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: never going to be able to release it you know
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: obviously it's not his movie and no.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 10: Matter how you edit it you're still missing the scene
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 10: of that should be in there when Leia has to
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 10: get into that harem costume.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: You keep waiting for that. That director's cut behind-the-scenes footage.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: It's dramatic logic. And it works like a novel would work.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: Here's the setup, the big reveal. We show you how
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: you get there. We go back to the end.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: It was interesting.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 11: I like that idea.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: It made me very happy, but also made me a
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: little sad that I couldn't reveal that to my... kids
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: in that.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 5: Way yeah it's too late for them they've already been
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: ruined maybe they're.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 13: Kids i feel like george lucas later in life i
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 13: mean i remember in elementary school we learned about it
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 13: was like a it's like a little mountain like how
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 13: a how a story should go you know it's like
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 13: you forgot.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: That No, he didn't back in the day because the
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: climax is in the middle and he went, I just
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: want to tell this story. It's like he forgot that
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: when he got old and went, oh, wait, I need
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: some more money. Let's go back to this first boring
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 5: low end of the scale.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: But he's not about to let anybody with any real
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: storytelling or writing ability do a script. No, of course not.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: It's got to be his.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: He works best as an executive producer.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: When he was young and kind of a hungry filmmaker,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: he knew what to rip off.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: And so he ripped off, you know, Jack Kirby comics
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: and Kurosawa. And that worked great.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, he was good.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: And then, uh, Kirshner came in and made a better movie.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 9: But I mean, you didn't like that.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: So he remade Star Wars.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, I've read several things over the years saying
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: how much that ruined you as a film. I mean,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: it would, it would, I mean, think about it. You're
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: this kid out of film school. You've made two movies
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: and then you make this thing that changes the world.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: Like it, It creates blockbusters. Marketing in movies will never
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 5: be the same. Every studio in town suddenly wants to
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 5: throw money at you.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 9: You can't ever make a normal movie again. You make
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 9: sequels and you make crap down the line.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: You make a lot of things up about your own history.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: He was going to make six movies and then he
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: was going to make nine movies. He didn't make anything
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: for a decade.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 10: I really liked American Graffiti.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 5: He's a good filmmaker, backed in.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite films.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: Did you like more American Graffiti?
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: Did you like more American Graffiti?
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 10: Actually, all I remember from that was, like, the little
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 10: crawl at the end about what happened to the characters later.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: And that's all I remember about it.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: Lucas, you know, told his own life story in American Graffiti.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: He did it very well.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Star Wars came along.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 11: I was like, wow.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: But. The one thing I am happy about, though, with
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: my children is I'm going to think long and hard
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: about when and how I show them back to the future.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: And we won't get to three. What's wrong with three?
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: It's a repeat, but it's a fun repeat.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: It's so funny.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 10: Do you think we're losing that sense of seeing things
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 10: when they happen?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: It's very important to me. I'm starting to realize, oh,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: I'm going to reveal this at the right time. Same
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: thing with... With Raiders of the Lost Ark. I know
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: my son is... He is going to fall in love
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: with it like I did. I know he will. But
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: it's got to be the right time that I show
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: it to him. Because it's such a... That's such a
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: wonderful series, I guess.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: To a certain point.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: For a while.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, that film. The first one, especially.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: Until once again, George Lucas lost his damn mind and
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: wrote this crazy bullshit at the end like he likes
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: to do now.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: You know, I still think The Temple of Doom, I
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: think maybe I saw it and had more access to
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: it or something. It just, well, and it feels more
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: like The Goonies, I guess. But it's a lot of fun.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: It's a good kids movie.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: It's a different movie than the other two, but it's
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: a lot of fun.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 13: So, I....
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 10: You know, I revisited a movie that I had seen
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 10: as it happened. I went into a hotel room and
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 10: turned on the TV, and it was a movie about
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 10: Lead Belly. It was that movie. And in it, there
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 10: was a version of his song, Bring Me a Little Water, Sylvie.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 10: And I play guitar, and there's a little guitar riff
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 10: at the turnaround in the song. And I hear it,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 10: and it's like, man, that's a cool thing. And I
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 10: try to I try to memorize it when I first
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 10: hear it, and then it comes back around to the chorus.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: It's like, what?
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 10: And I can't predict it. It starts at a different point.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 10: It's like, but I don't know. Did they play a
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 10: different run? So I try to memorize it again, and
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 10: it comes back around, and then it's gone. and I've
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 10: never been able to see it, then it's on Netflix now.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 10: And it is really hard to scroll through a fucking
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 10: movie on Netflix.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 13: It is.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 10: Because you have to, like, place it. And the first
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 10: time through, I couldn't even find the song. And I
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 10: felt like I saw the movie four times, which is
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 10: more than enough.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 13: I would like to see that. Lead Billy's awesome. He, like,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 13: stabbed a bunch of people in the neck.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not really a great movie. That does make
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: him awesome.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 10: Because you know what they do when they make a
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 10: movie about an orc? well, especially about a musician, is
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 10: they make it into kind of a showcase musical where
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 10: people get to showcase their versions of the songs. And
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 10: so he has a meet cute with Blind Lemon and
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 10: I don't know. But anyway, I eventually got to find
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 10: the song and I could learn that little riff, which
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 10: I thought was cool.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: But by then it's totally lost its charm.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 10: It was just amazing when it happened.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: You never get to see it for the first time again.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 10: I think we went to the diner that's in... This
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 10: is completely unrelated to what I'm talking about, but I'm
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 10: saying it in a tone as though it naturally flows.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 5: Nice try.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 10: So we went to Mel's Diner when I was visiting
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 10: my sister. And I think on the menu in that diner,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 10: They have grits. And you know how they write a description?
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: It was either that.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 10: Place or a place nearby. Under grits it said, the
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 10: white stuff they gave you in prison.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: I assumed it would be totally kissable, but.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 10: So that was my discourse on Lead Belly. But you
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 10: remember something when it just happens and it unfolds and
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 10: it's completely different when you can just go back and
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 10: go through it. And I really think what Topher Grace
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 10: has done is just the beginning of something that people
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 10: are going to be doing a lot.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 13: There's actually a, in New York, it's like a one-time
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 13: play thing there's no recording there's no you're not allowed
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 13: to take anything from this play with you the point
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 13: of it is that it is happening here now and
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 13: you had to watch it firsthand you can't see it
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 13: on youtube you can't you'll never see it again it'll
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 13: never happen again and i think that's really interesting because
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 13: we take for granted like things that our parents may
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 13: have seen or even some of us you know like
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 13: they'll never be able to see that again. Everything that
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 13: has happened in my life in the last five years
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 13: since like cell phone cameras, like it's probably somewhere on
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 13: the internet. I can probably experience it again.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: There's no such thing as myth anymore. We've killed the
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: idea of what a myth can be in the world
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: because nothing can even be a story anymore without a
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: picture or a quote or a video of it. And
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: so you can't even have a fish story anymore because,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 4: and say it was this big. No, it wasn't because
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 4: I've got a video of it.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: It's on your Facebook page. When it comes to the
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: sense of experience too, this is what television was like
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: when I was growing up before cable. If I saw
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: that Bride of Frankenstein was going to be on Fright
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: Night on Saturday night, I had to watch it. I
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: couldn't record it and I couldn't count on it coming
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: back around again for maybe two years.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: So there was that sense of experience, which now we
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: have all this accessibility. It's kind of rough. us of
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: that sense of experience.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: And we can go back and watch a movie anytime
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: we want or remake a movie the way we like it.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 5: It's true.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 10: But at the same time, you sort of mourn the
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 10: passing of that. It is really awesome to be able
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 10: to go find things.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: It's both.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: And we're ahead. I just miss the broadcast quality. of
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: things I sit down on Saturday night with my six
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: year old girl and we watch Batman on ETV because
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: it's cool to watch it on Saturday night at 7
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: because we can't watch it any other time and it's
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: just a nice flashback for me to re-experience.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 10: I noticed my kids like when stuff was on they
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 10: liked watching it even though we've got it on the
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 10: shelf on DVD it's not the same when it's.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 4: Just you find it on if you.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: Have no control that's kind of fun.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: I just bought the Muppet movie for my kids more
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: than anything. Well, for myself and for me. And for them.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 4: And I was telling them it was Friday evenings and
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 4: my mom would make the homemade pizza and we would watch.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 4: It was like the only time of the week where
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 4: we all sat and watched The Muppet Show. And it
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: wasn't on any other time. Saturday morning cartoons were on
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: and The Muppet Show and you might get Sesame Street.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: But there really weren't. shows like that for a kid
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 4: and it was an event and you know you talked
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: about it the next day with your friends or you
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: know whatever and it blew my kids minds like wait
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 4: you had to wait or you know you had to.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 24: They weren't even able to fathom that it's so funny
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 24: because if you think about it that really is another
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 24: contributing factor to like the loss of like family togetherness
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 24: you know at first it was like we lost family dinners.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 13: Because you don't have to wait till mom cooks dinner
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 13: you can get in anytime you want you can put
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 13: it in the microwave or you can go to mcdonald's
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 13: or whatever you don't have to have dinner with your
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 13: family at this certain time and now you don't have
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 13: to sit with your family and watch this movie at
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 13: this time you can watch it whenever you feel like
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 13: it on whatever device that you have you can watch
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 13: it on your iphone you can watch it on your
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 13: laptop you know like there's no We've got to get
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 13: together and do this thing.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 5: Which is why you have people in the same household,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 5: in the same family, texting each other from one room
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 5: to the next, which I have witnessed recently. I was like,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 5: you did not just text them in the kitchen, right?
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: That's why I yelled at my wife in the loft.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, the good old days.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 4: Old school.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah, people are not going to be able to yell.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 10: They're going to grow up without yelling.
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  Speaker 1: Although, on the other hand.
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  Speaker 2: Capital letters.
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  Speaker 5: Capital letters.
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  Speaker 10: But one of the great things about cell phones is
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  Speaker 10: there's a lot less people pulling up in front of
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  Speaker 10: a house and honking the fucking horn. Eventually, I was
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  Speaker 10: going to kill somebody. It's not also a doorbell. Get
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  Speaker 10: out of the damn car. And they won't even park
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  Speaker 10: it when there's like a mile of open space. They
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  Speaker 10: just pull out, park in the middle of the street,
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  Speaker 10: and honk the horn.
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  Speaker 5: Changes in society. Look at that.
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  Speaker 4: We took our doorbell off the front door so that
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  Speaker 4: you have to knock on it. just one of those
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  Speaker 4: little controlling things that I have and I ripped it
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  Speaker 4: out so you have to knock on my door they're.
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  Speaker 13: Going to just text you first.
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  Speaker 4: People don't come as often I swear they get up
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  Speaker 4: there and.
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  Speaker 24: They're like never mind how are you going to know
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  Speaker 24: that I'm here we.
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  Speaker 5: Push buttons now dammit I don't know how to use
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  Speaker 5: my hand.
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  Speaker 13: I call people and tell them I'm at their house nice.
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  Speaker 5: All right, I think that better round things out.
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  Speaker 9: We will go on to more problems with society.
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  Speaker 5: With that, okay, kids, get out your decoder pins. Set
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  Speaker 5: your pins to V2. Here is the message. It is
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  Speaker 5: time for the movie countdown secret circle reveal of the
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  Speaker 5: next exciting feature, which, again, we're going to branch out.
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  Speaker 9: We're doing some new stuff. We're actually going to be.
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  Speaker 5: crossing over with a theater here in town who does
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  Speaker 5: the midnight movies.
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  Speaker 9: Bo's kind of responsible for it. I think he's called
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  Speaker 9: himself out for that.
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  Speaker 5: So we're going to try to do a couple of crossovers,
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  Speaker 5: one of which they're doing Taxi Driver. You can't not
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  Speaker 5: want to watch Taxi Driver, let alone I think we
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  Speaker 5: need to talk about it. So yeah, we're going to
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  Speaker 5: take a break from our cheesy B movies and actually
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  Speaker 5: watch a fine cinematic classic. So Prepare yourself for that,
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  Speaker 5: because I don't know what the hell is going to
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  Speaker 5: happen either.
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  Speaker 13: I can't dress up for the taxi driver thing, really.
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  Speaker 5: You can shave your head and have a mohawk. That's
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  Speaker 5: what I was going to say. Because Brad did that
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  Speaker 5: last time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, if nothing else, go watch some Taxi Driver.
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  Speaker 5: Before we're out of here, thank you once again to
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  Speaker 5: Green Room Coffee for letting us hijack the shop and
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  Speaker 5: loiter around. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return
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  Speaker 5: next week, same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 21: Can it be knocking at my door Go away Don't
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  Speaker 21: come round here no more Can't you see that it's
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  Speaker 21: late at night Very tired And I'm not feeling.
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  Speaker 23: Right All I wish is to be alone Stay away
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  Speaker 23: Don't you invade my home That's not if you hang
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  Speaker 23: outside Don't.
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  Speaker 5: Come in.
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  Speaker 12: Who can it be now? Who can it be now?
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  Speaker 12: Who can it be now? Who can it be now?
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  Speaker 21: Who can it be knocking at my door? Make no
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  Speaker 21: sound to throw across the floor If he hears, he'll knock.
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  Speaker 23: All day I'll be trapped Here I'll have to say
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  Speaker 23: I've done no harm.
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  Speaker 12: At all to myself.
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  Speaker 5: There's nothing wrong with my state of mental health.
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  Speaker 23: I like it here with my childhood friend.
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  Speaker 6: Here they come.
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  Speaker 12: Two spielings again.
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  Speaker 5: Who can it be now? Is it the man come
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  Speaker 5: to take me away? Why do they follow me?
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  Speaker 12: It's not the future that I can see.
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  Speaker 5: It's just my fantasy.
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  Speaker 13: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: Talk hard!