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The East Wing files, The Woodward Dream Cruise, and The Constitution-hating Left · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: the most interesting and best interview in America. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: keeping my eye on the Supreme Court today because the
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  Speaker 1: Chief Justice, Chief Justice John Roberts, longtime acquaintance, an old
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  Speaker 1: colleague of mine from our White House Council days under
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  Speaker 1: President Reagan, has all the papers he needs to rule
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  Speaker 1: on the East Wing case, which ought to be a
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  Speaker 1: slam dunk for the president. It's a national security issue
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  Speaker 1: and the National Trust for Historic Preservation does not have
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  Speaker 1: standing to bring the case. But the paperwork was just
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  Speaker 1: submitted to the Chief Justice for him to stay the
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  Speaker 1: ruling of the District Court and the DC Circuit and
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  Speaker 1: to go with the descent by Judge Nami Rao and
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  Speaker 1: with whom I agree completely, even though I would have
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  Speaker 1: made it shorter and more tours. It's a national security issue, dummy,
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  Speaker 1: and you don't have standing. Nobody has standing. The only
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  Speaker 1: people who might have standing is someone who would have
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  Speaker 1: bid for the contract and did not get the contract.
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  Speaker 1: Because it requires an actual injury that is imminent and
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  Speaker 1: can be repaired by the court, money damages are available there.
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  Speaker 1: Someone who is crewed on the construction side could seek
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  Speaker 1: money damages from the Court of Claims, but nothing yet
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  Speaker 1: at Scotis blog. I believe it's an easy case. I
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  Speaker 1: hope the Chief Justice issues to stay and refers it
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  Speaker 1: to the Full Court for emergency docket proceedings in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of summer. Now there's a lot to cover today,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm going to start with the fact a the
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  Speaker 1: war is back on. Saudi Arabia was attacked by Huti's
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  Speaker 1: today twice. The United Arab Emirates was attacked by Iran
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  Speaker 1: the IRGC missiles twice, so I don't know what the
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  Speaker 1: response will be. I know that oil is holding study
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  Speaker 1: at eighty four dollars a barrel, so the markets aren't
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  Speaker 1: freaked out, and there's a lot of good reasons for that.
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  Speaker 1: I would send you over to the Iran Breakdown by
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  Speaker 1: Mark Deowitz's podcast if you want to find out he's
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  Speaker 1: got Richard Goldberg on today and they explain what's going
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  Speaker 1: on in the oil markets. I'm going to dial in
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  Speaker 1: for a moment on politics, and first I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: play for you. I was on with John Roberts on
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  Speaker 1: Fox News a couple of hours ago talking about Fongfong
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  Speaker 1: and Eric Swalwell and about Mike Rogers campaign in Michigan
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  Speaker 1: and the collapsing LSI ED campaign.
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  Speaker 3: Let's bringin Fox He's contributor Hugh Hewett, host of the
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  Speaker 3: Hugh Heugh would show for more on this. So the
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  Speaker 3: FBI found, and this is the reason why this is important,
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  Speaker 3: that Fongfong was helping to solicit illegal campaign donations. According
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  Speaker 3: to the FBI, they said this that he did classified memorandum.
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  Speaker 3: Fong orchestrated contu A campaign contributions to Swalwell's campaign at
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  Speaker 3: least twice in twenty thirteen and at least two more
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  Speaker 3: times in twenty fourteen. Fong told redact name she could
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  Speaker 3: arrange a meeting with Swalwell in exchange for a five
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  Speaker 3: thousand dollars contribution to Swalwell's campaign. She also stated that
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  Speaker 3: she could arrange an internship with Swalwell's office, but that
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  Speaker 3: the internship would cost more. The DOJ says it declined
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  Speaker 3: to seek prosecution against her because for national security reasons,
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  Speaker 3: it just wouldn't make sense. What do you make of.
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  Speaker 2: All of this?
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  Speaker 1: It reminds me, John, A good afternoon to you that
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  Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party has a vast ministry of state security.
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  Speaker 1: They operate a number of sleeper agents, and in this
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  Speaker 1: case literally a sleeping agent with then Congressman Swalwell, and
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  Speaker 1: they target Americans with access to classified information or the
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  Speaker 1: facilities or places where they might get a copyright information,
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  Speaker 1: tech information, stuff like that. In this case, Eric Swallwell
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  Speaker 1: was a member of the House Intelligence Committee at the
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  Speaker 1: time she seduced it, and it's twelve years later that.
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  Speaker 2: We're finding this out.
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  Speaker 1: No wonder he dropped out of the governor's race because
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  Speaker 1: this was going to come out when he was on
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  Speaker 1: the Intelligence Committee, which is the most secret intelligence committee
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  Speaker 1: in the House and the Senate. They only have a
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  Speaker 1: very few members on there because they get the stuff
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  Speaker 1: that the CIA and the DNIA and the President get
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  Speaker 1: to see and the Pentagon gets to see. She had
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  Speaker 1: access to him through his bedroom and the ambience story
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  Speaker 1: that's like the week'st cover story. I've ever seen for
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  Speaker 1: a honey pot sucker, and Eric Swalwell turned out to
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  Speaker 1: be that. But what we really ought to be aware
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  Speaker 1: of is that the CCP, she isn't a one op
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  Speaker 1: Fon Fong is not the only agent that the Chinese
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  Speaker 1: Communist Party is running, and they're everywhere and thereafter everyone
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  Speaker 1: who's got access to anything. That's the bottom line.
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  Speaker 3: So Kevin McCarthy said that he tried to get rid
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  Speaker 3: of Swalwell a long time ago, keep him off of
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  Speaker 3: the Intel Committee. Here's what he said on one of
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  Speaker 3: the Sunday programs a couple of days ago.
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  Speaker 4: I tried to get rid of Swallwell six eight years
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  Speaker 4: ago when I got the briefing when I became leader
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  Speaker 4: with the FBI. Yeah, Nancy Pelosh was in the room.
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  Speaker 4: I turned to her and said, how can you keep
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  Speaker 4: him on Intel? Intel is a select committee that only
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  Speaker 4: the leaders put on that you know all the secrets
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  Speaker 4: that members do not.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, how could Nancy Pelosi want to keep
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  Speaker 3: him on the Intail Committee knowing what she knew?
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  Speaker 1: Because it's more embarrassing to admit why he had to
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  Speaker 1: be removed, Because when you take a member of the
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  Speaker 1: Intel Committee and either the Senator of the House and
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  Speaker 1: you move them off, you're admitting that they're not trustworthy,
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  Speaker 1: that there's something wrong in the background. So if Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Pelosi comes out, and that would have been the second
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco Democrat because Diane Feinstein at a Chinese Communist
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  Speaker 1: agent as her chauffeur for a lot of years, people
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  Speaker 1: forget that it's mostly a West Coast and DC problem.
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  Speaker 1: But if Pelosi yanks Swallowell, that opens up the can
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  Speaker 1: of Wormson. How come you're putting a compromised congressman on
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  Speaker 1: the most important secretive committee, raises questions about pelosi judgment.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin was all Kim McCarthy was all over this. He
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  Speaker 1: understood the implications, and I wish he had been listened to.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows what he told her ambient or no ambient?
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  Speaker 2: What a weak story.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, I want to ask you about what's going
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  Speaker 3: on in Michigan. Mike Rogers put forward a campaign ad
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  Speaker 3: where he uses a real symbol emblem of Americana, and
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  Speaker 3: then the music really kind of mirrors that as well.
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  Speaker 3: At Toby Keith song watch this ad real quick for
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  Speaker 3: Mike Rodgers. I mean, there wasn't much more American than
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  Speaker 3: Toby Keith's American Ride Song. But here's what an l
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  Speaker 3: si ED staffer named Mason Pressler said about this. He said,
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  Speaker 3: Mike Rodgers campaign has the athetics esthetics of a nineteen
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  Speaker 3: sixties white flight suburb and a KKK crossburning. What do
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  Speaker 3: you say to that?
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  Speaker 2: What do I say?
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  Speaker 1: I say, Mason Presler should not be the political director
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  Speaker 1: or political operative for l SIAED. I was trying very
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  Speaker 1: hard to lose this race in August, which is pretty
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  Speaker 1: hard to do. That ad is from the Woodward Avenue
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  Speaker 1: Dream Cruise, an institution in Michigan. You begin in Detroit,
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  Speaker 1: you go all the way out to the suburbs, classic
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  Speaker 1: American cars, including a forward truck that Mike Rodgers is
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  Speaker 1: doing old fashioned Americana campaigning. And if ELSAAD doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: that the Woodward Dream Cruise is a thing in Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: it's like he hates mckinaw Island. I think this guy's
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  Speaker 1: just trying to throw the race because he's a terrible
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  Speaker 1: candidate with terrible staff.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So he hates football, he hates Mcanaw Island,
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  Speaker 3: he hates old Ford picked up trucks that he hates
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  Speaker 3: Tobey Keith.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, how that's gonna go overt? It plays like Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: You get the idea of what's happening here. Josh Holmes
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  Speaker 1: is coming up from the Earthless podcast. Graham Platner flared
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  Speaker 1: out in May because of bad consultant, covered on the
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  Speaker 1: Commentary podcast today. Frank Turik is going to flame out
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  Speaker 1: in Ioway. He's up in Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket instead
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  Speaker 1: of being at the Iowa State Fair. We've got Troy
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  Speaker 1: Jackson flaming out in Maine. El Sayed is this magnificent
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  Speaker 1: fireball of a flame out? And then you've got John
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  Speaker 1: Ossoff went out the rails yesterday. I'm going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about John Ossoff with Josh Holmes Slanderingatali Harp and then
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  Speaker 1: the world came down on him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, all the normy said, you are.
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  Speaker 1: Disgusting human being, John Osseof, he should not be in
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  Speaker 1: the Senate, and all the left wing nutters thought it
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  Speaker 1: was a good idea to amplify the slander and first
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  Speaker 1: rule of defamation law, don't touch a slander, don't touch
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  Speaker 1: a smear. It spreads, and John Assoff team Asoff got
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  Speaker 1: the broad idea that they would broadcast to the world
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  Speaker 1: that he'd slandered Natalie Harp and that the world was
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  Speaker 1: mad at him for saying that about a younger, ful,
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  Speaker 1: one wonderful young woman. Well, I think John Ossoff broke
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  Speaker 1: the fourth plane and let Georgia actually see him for
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  Speaker 1: what he is. But I'll ask Josh Holmes about that
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  Speaker 1: when he comes up next. The host of the Ruthless
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  Speaker 1: podcast right at stay tuned at the uguis show, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: Back America. I'm Hugh hewittt a special welcome to our
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  Speaker 1: Sea Span audience this week and a treat ahead for you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the moderate, you know, nice normal guy on the
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  Speaker 1: center right, But the rough housing roughnecks of conservative radio
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  Speaker 1: and podcasting are the Ruthless podcast brothers, and their gang
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  Speaker 1: leader is Josh Holmes, who has swung.
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  Speaker 2: In who was not there this morning.
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  Speaker 1: I might add he has swung in for a special
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  Speaker 1: appearance on the sea Span week of the YU huge
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  Speaker 1: sale to our Sea Span audience. Josh, we've outed you
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  Speaker 1: on Sea Span.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think there was probably a fifteen to
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  Speaker 5: twenty year period of time where I watched Sea Span
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  Speaker 5: more than anything else in the world.
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  Speaker 6: I can't wait to talk to these people.
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  Speaker 2: This is fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: I want to break the Ruthless Podcast into every sea
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  Speaker 1: span home. Josh, you were a political director in Consigliore
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  Speaker 1: to the greatest majority lead the Republicans had my lifetime.
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  Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell, now you run the Ruthless Podcast, you do
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  Speaker 1: some consulting, and I want to talk about the Democrat
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  Speaker 1: collapse because I'm worried like Smug was worried on this
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  Speaker 1: morning show. Smug is worried. The Republicans have got everything
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  Speaker 1: coming their way to some grand Platner fell apart, Troy
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  Speaker 1: Jackson's throwing stuff at the wall. We've got Elsi ed
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  Speaker 1: with Hassan Piker spidery suit on. Now, we've got his consultant,
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  Speaker 1: Mason Presser, attacking at Ford Truck as being a KKK
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  Speaker 1: white supremacy. We got Morris Kats ruining their campaign. And
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  Speaker 1: then we had John Ossoff, who was kind of hiding
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  Speaker 1: and trying to slide his way to an easy wind,
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  Speaker 1: broke the fourth plane and called Natalie Harp.
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  Speaker 2: Natalie Harp an.
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  Speaker 1: Adulterist, implied it, and the world came down on and
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  Speaker 1: said what has happened to the Democrats Josh, Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, look, I mean this is going to be extremely
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  Speaker 5: challenging for Republicans. The whole majorities in the House, in
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  Speaker 5: the Senate. You've got some really significant headwinds in presidential
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  Speaker 5: approval numbers, economic approval numbers, distaste for iron at some level.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there's a bunch of things heading against Republicans.
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  Speaker 5: But every couple of weeks Democrats gift prap. It's almost
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  Speaker 5: like one of those Nordstrom deals where they're just kind
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  Speaker 5: of really tightening the bow and sitting in at the
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  Speaker 5: doorstep of Republicans and saying, please take this gift. And
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  Speaker 5: if it's not l Sied, it's the dude in Maine.
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  Speaker 5: And it's just a cacophony of horrible candidates that they
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  Speaker 5: have put in in denomination here for the United States
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  Speaker 5: Senate and governor and everything else that Republicans have tried
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  Speaker 5: to take advantage of. John ass Off is one of
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  Speaker 5: those folks that has lived in extremely privileged political career
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  Speaker 5: ever since he lost his first House race, and that
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  Speaker 5: he has had the wind at his back. And I
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  Speaker 5: think if you've seen his speeches in the last ninety days,
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  Speaker 5: what it would suggest is his team and him don't
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  Speaker 5: think that they're running for reelection any longer. They think
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  Speaker 5: that they're running for president.
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  Speaker 7: And what they're doing is courting a.
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  Speaker 5: Super hyper online leftist crew, both the fund the campaign
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  Speaker 5: that they're on, but also to drive interest in future ambitions.
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  Speaker 5: And that's how you can slip the mold of re
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  Speaker 5: election and start getting into the insane. And of course,
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  Speaker 5: as we know, to get nominated in the Democratic Party today,
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  Speaker 5: you need to take leave of your senses at some level,
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  Speaker 5: and I think that's what he's done.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Osof a little bit more, because
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  Speaker 1: what happened, I think you're right. What happened after that
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  Speaker 1: calculated teleprompter added smear of Natalie Hart is that a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of mainstream commentators, including myself and Ari Fleischer.
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  Speaker 2: You just run down them.
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  Speaker 1: They all just they were disgusted because we have daughters
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  Speaker 1: and we have granddaughters. And what he insinuated about if
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  Speaker 1: female aid could be insinuated about any female aid in
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  Speaker 1: any Capitol Hill office or White House, Democrat, Republican, it's
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  Speaker 1: disgusting what Osoff did. So when the world jumped down
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  Speaker 1: on him, you know, I've got more traction on my
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  Speaker 1: rebuke of him on X than anything I've ever done,
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  Speaker 1: most of it driven by this weird little group of
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  Speaker 1: Josh Marshall's, Matt Iglesia's people. What do they think they're doing, Josh?
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't work.
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  Speaker 5: Well, It's look what has worked in Democrat primary politics.
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  Speaker 5: It is a way too online, completely idiotic without merit,
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  Speaker 5: truth or anything argument that has carried the day in
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  Speaker 5: Democratic politics today.
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  Speaker 7: The leadership is absolutely absent.
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  Speaker 5: There is none, whether it's Chuck Schumer or Keem Jeffries
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  Speaker 5: or anybody else in that party. It is being run.
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  Speaker 5: The inmates are running the asylum in the Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 5: All John Ossoff is trying to do is get a
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  Speaker 5: little piece of the puzzle there down in Georgia, to
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  Speaker 5: try to make a case to these people that he
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  Speaker 5: is the next heir apparent of somebody who could get
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  Speaker 5: a republic or a Democratic nomination in twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 5: He's wrong about that, and he's also a real empty suit.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this is not a premier legislator, somebody who
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  Speaker 5: understands policies, somebody understands I mean, he's an accidental senator
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  Speaker 5: at best of course he got elected in the aftermath
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  Speaker 5: of twenty twenty and of course the disaster that was
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  Speaker 5: Georgia that gave him to see me lost on election
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  Speaker 5: day and then came back, and of course, because of
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  Speaker 5: Georgia voting rules, won the runoff. But he is trying
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  Speaker 5: to take advantage of everything he can take advantage of,
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  Speaker 5: and it is going to give you weird stuff because
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  Speaker 5: he's mirroring back. What is today's Democratic base?
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  Speaker 1: Well, do they overestimate or underestimate the voter's knowledge? And
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  Speaker 1: by that, I'll go to Alaska for my third example.
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  Speaker 1: Democrats are openly cheating up there. Dan Sullivan is a
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  Speaker 1: great Sullivan. Dan Sullivan is a great senator. He's been
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  Speaker 1: a great senator for twenty years. He's running again, and
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  Speaker 1: Democrats coax another Dan Sullivan onto the ballot so they
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  Speaker 1: could run this lame congressman whose name I can't remember,
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  Speaker 1: Mary Polota. I hope I got that right, yep. And
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  Speaker 1: the Dan Sullivan thing is obviously cheating, don't they. Do
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  Speaker 1: they disrespect voters that much that they obviously try to.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I mean the story of my lifetime in
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  Speaker 5: politics is Democrats counting on you. The listener the voter,
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  Speaker 5: the civic leader in your community, not paying attention to
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  Speaker 5: anything that goes in policy, that goes in just basic
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  Speaker 5: name recognition of who is who and who's doing what.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Look, what they're trying to accomplish, just at
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: a federal level in terms of policy is so unpalatable
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: to the American electorate that they have to change how
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: they present it. They have to try to trick people.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: And then in states like Nebraska and Idaho, Montana, Alaska,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: they have to run third party candidates because they know
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: their brand is so bad in democratic politics that they
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: take a hard left psychopath and put an I next
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: to them instead of a D and hope that voters
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: are tricked by that. Their entire pitch you from soup
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: to nuts, is counting on you having absolutely no idea
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: what's happening around you.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: But that's not possible. I'll close with it. Uthless podcasts explosive.
• 18:02
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• 18:06
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• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Do you agree with me on that?
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: I know, I agree.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: I think people do want and I think increasingly so,
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: they want this longer form discussion, discussion that you've had
• 18:17
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• 18:18
  Speaker 9: You.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: They want that, they want information, They want real stuff.
• 18:22
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• 18:25
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• 18:30
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• 18:33
  Speaker 5: here of just defending people in a cycle that really
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Democrats should own and may not.
• 18:39
  Speaker 9: Well.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to Thursday when you're back with the Fellows,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: because I want to hear you talk with Smug about
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: whether or not Republicans are peeking too soon, because that's
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: my fear. Smug articulated today it was in the back
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: of my head. Are we watching them fall apart too
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: soon while they get their act together? I hope not.
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• 19:25
  Speaker 1: David Drucker with a senior political writer for The Dispatch.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: David, good to see you. You are political writers.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I've got to talk to you about this campaign ad
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: which Mike Rogers ran today and yesterday in which got
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: another pratfall out of the LSIED campaign face plant. Here's
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the Mike Rodgers ad. Then we'll come back and talk
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: Got a love this American time.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: David Mason Pressler, a campaign aid advisor to l say
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Ed Al Sayed, declared this to be a white flight
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: KKKAD is in fact footage from the Woodward Dream Cruise,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: an annual event that draws forty thousand classic cars to
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Woodward Avenue in Michigan from the Lake Way out it
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: might go to ann Arbor. I've driven Woodward Avenue many
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: many times. It's always an experience. One more than a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: million people attended. El said has now attacked the fourth
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: of July Mackinac Island, Michigan football and the Woodward Dream Cruise.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the start to a general election
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: campaign this bad?
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I have and I've seen it worse. But let's
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: just unpack this a little bit, right. I think what's
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: interesting about this faux pas is that it's current and
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: in the moment. I mean the things that Elsa has
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: said of a football and mackinaw Island and other things
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: the fourth of July, and these were these were past
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: statements uncovered. Not going to do him any favors, but
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: you know, it gives the candidate an opportunity to explain
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: away youthful indiscretion or things he didn't mean to say
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: and the way they sounded.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: This is something, granted, a campaign aid.
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: Said, But I think what it shows you, Hugh, is
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: that running in a general election is different than running
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: in a party primary. This is the sort of thing
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: that I'm sure wouldn't necessarily have caused them much of
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: a problem against Hailey Stevens, even though they only narrowly
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: won that election. But you're dealing with a Democratic elector
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: who is going to be you know, interiory friendlier to
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: attacks like that. This is not going to work in
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: the same way in a swing state in a November campaign.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Well me read you an ex comment under my comment
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: on this forty thousand classic cars period one to one
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: point five million people visit all on Woodward Avenue every period,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: single period year. It's actually a bit of a nightmare
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: for those of us who live nearby, like me. But
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: his Class I sik Ford truck was one of thousands
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: many driven by black people. Are they all racist? El
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: si ed is Now? I don't agree that Led has
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to be a racist because of this, but I just
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: think it's a terribly tone depth campaign to attack classic cars.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, kind of surprising too. You know.
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: One of his more effective ads was I believe it
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: was a fifteen second spot of him filling up a big,
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: huge pickup truck with gas and talking about the high
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: cost of gas since the advent of the Iran war
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: earlier this year. And so stylistically he's generally been in
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: good shape, you know, when it came to sort of
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: channeling these all American Michigan sort of thematics, it's been
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: a little bit different in this general election campaign. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: still think, you know that the most effective campaign against l.
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: Sied is going to be confronting him on some of
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: these key issues, just given you know how favorable the
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: atmospherics are for the Democratic party and how difficult time
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: Republicans have had winning Senate races in that state since
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: the nineteen nineties.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: Last time, this is the sort of thing that creates questions.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, last time Republican represented the state was Arab American
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Spence Abram and so Mike Rodgers, though it is a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: very good candidate, came very close two years ago. He's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: doing the John Thune thing, which has run two times
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in a row, and the second time is the charm
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: because you learn not to make stupid mistakes. Speaking of
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: stupid mistakes, John Ossoff, now Natalie harp andh I I
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: carry on a text conversation because when I want the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: president on the Hugh Hewett Show, I worked through Natalie
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: to get it started, or vice versa, and she's the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: twenty four to seven three sixty five aid. John Ossoff
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: goes out of his way to smear her, intimating innuendoing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: That she's having an affair with the present.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Disgusting, absolutely disgusting, blew up on x Everyone who called
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: attention to it, mainstream people got attacked by the Harpies
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: on the left and thereby blew up the story even more.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: What was ossoft thinking David Drucker, because that ain't true.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: That's not true about Natalie Hart.
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: Look, look, I try not to put politicians on the couch.
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: So I don't know what he was thinking. I don't
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: know that it wasn't deliberate, and I don't know that
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: it's really going to matter.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, politics in the Trump era has been.
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: Particularly combative, particularly provocative, and often underhanded. The president is
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: the model for that sort of campaigning, the model that
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: has been successful, I might add. And so you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: on the one hand, you know, maybe John ossof raises
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: a few questions from voters, you know, about his behavior.
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: But I think in general, when voters are concerned about
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: the economy and things like that, I think this creates
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: a lot of energy and attention where John Ossop wants
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: it from Democratic voters and Democrats across the country. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 10: don't really think that people are going to be talking
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: about this in a couple of months voting.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to disagree on that one. Last one though,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Troy Jackson Graham Plattner crashed and burned for reasons that
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: we all know. Troy Jackson's got anger issues that are
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: coming out Because I'm in and I know what Maine
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: has going talking about, right now? How come they went
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: to the third place governor's candidate in this year's election
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: to appraise clam Patner. Do you think they know something
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: about Susan Collins that maybe people outside of Maine don't know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: which is she can't beat her?
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, well she's been what that big what do I
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: refer to her as like the big blue whale, right,
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: I mean that's been trying to knock her off for years.
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: You know, Look, I think they went to Troy Jackson,
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: and I've written about this in my Bloomberg column. I
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: think they went to Troy Jackson because he's been elected
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: several times and so there was a sense that he
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: was vetted and the far left of the party that
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: was going to feel robbed if Plattner was replaced by
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: a traditional center left Democrat wanted him, and they were
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: okay with him. What I've written about Jackson is that
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: I think you know where democrats and this isn't true
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: in all cases, right, there's certain House districts and states
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: where they've nominated Democrats that are a good fit for
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: those districts and states that are center left Democrats but
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: in some of these places.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: They've nominated, nominated.
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: What I like to sort of refer to as cardboard cutouts, Right,
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: I mean, Troy Jackson used to be a logger. He
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: comes from a long line of loggers. He dresses the part,
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: he looks the part, he sounds the part. If you
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: take a look at his campaign website. He wants to
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: abolish ice. He supports Medicare for all. Like these are
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: the sorts of things that in the second District of Maine. Right,
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: talking about being in Maine, it is a blue state,
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: it is a Democratic state, but you've got to pick
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: up some votes in rural western Maine, and he may
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: have trouble there.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have John.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I remember that the polling pat Patrick Gaffinney has a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: great article today, one of America's best analysts that summertime
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: polls and off theers overstate Democratic advantages by seven to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: nine points. I encourage everyone to read it. I encourage
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: people to read David Drucker at the Day Dispatches. Well,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: thank you, David. I'll be right back America and c
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: SPAN your stay tuned. It's well news time, but it's not.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And here to discuss that is. Brett Baer, host of
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Special Report every night at six o'clock on Fox News Channel. Brett,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: this is supposed to be the dog days of August.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: But first we have a war that is heating up.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you had a chance to talk
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to Trey or anyone yet, but the UA took two
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: missiles from the IRGC, Saudi Arabia took a barrage from
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the HUTIES. The Saudi's announced they're shipping through the Straits
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: of Hormuz. The President said there are no negotiations anywhere.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: What do you think is happening there?
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: Well, Hugh, good afternoon. It's I think it's falling apart.
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: I mean, I really think that good president is frustrated.
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: I think you know, Trey talk to him. I've talked
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: to him briefly. There's different messages coming out that you know.
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: Just the other day it was that there's back channel communications.
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: Jared Kushner is saying, you know, they're still talking, and
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: then yesterday the President came out with there are no talks,
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: you know, and came out with a true social kind
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: of hitting that again today saying the strait is open
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: and we are holding the line and there's nothing to
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: talk about if Iran is not ready to deal. So
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: I think there's frustration. And I think this story about
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: leaders in Iran, you know, having this thought process of
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: stepping up attacks as they look at the calendar and
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: look at November three in the midterms, being a back
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: wall to create leverage and pressure on the administration. I
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: think that we're seeing some of that right now.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: The other thing that is happening in real time as
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: we speak, Israel just struck comas a group of six
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: quote elite Hamas commanders. I didn't know anywhere left that
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: were elite, but six were struck earlier today. And then
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a headline in the Times of Israel remains of you
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: who to kats cats IDF soldier who went missing in
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a nineteen eighty two battle were recovered in Lebanon and
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: returning a special operations mission to Israel. I think both
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: illustrate the fact that Israel does not leave anyone behind,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and they don't walk away from war that are unfinished
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: after something like ten to seven the great or shades
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: of disagreement breadth.
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: No, I think you're right. I mean I think that
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: no man left behind is true. Even for the remains
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: of Israeli soldiers, and we saw that after October seventh.
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: We saw that in the negotiations that really the Trump
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: administration led to get all of those bodies out, But
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: you're seeing more of that even long term. Listen. I
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: do think that there is also friction between President Trump
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: and viving net Nyahoo, not in the overall sense of
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: understanding of the region, but in the specifics of dealing
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: with Gaza Hamas and what the President says he's trying
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: to do and what Jared Kushner says, excuse me, is happening.
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: I think the Israelis are not ready to do that
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: unless they actually see disarmament from Hamas, which they haven't seen.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: So those are the big stories, the international stories. Let
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: me move to political stories. Brett John Roberts had me
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: on America Reports today and I watched the Mike Rodgers
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: ad which I'm going to play for the audience now
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and then ask you to comment on it. Here is
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Mike Rodgers' latest campaign at got a lot of Americans.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: So Frett Bear, this is footage taken from this year's
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Woodward Dream cruise down Woodward Avenue, which I've driven many
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: times in my three years in law school and ann
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Arbor from Detroit Metro Airport. If you don't take the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: freeway because it's full, you take Woodward and it's a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: pretty very usually on interesting and sometimes grim drive. But
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: once a year forty thousand classic cars rolled down that
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: with a million or a million and a half people
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: watching it. And today Mason Presler, campaign assistant to Abdul
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Lsi ed, said that is white flight, KKK imagery, is
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Elsayad trying to throw this race, Brett.
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: I mean, if you're going to say the classic cars
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: with an American flag is KKK imagery, and you're going
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: to say that football is something that you shouldn't participate
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: in or watch in the state of Michigan, those are
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: two big items that maybe go against most of the electorates.
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: And listen, I don't know what he's trying to do.
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: All I hear is from democratic circles is how great
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: a campaigner. He is, an articulates folkesperson. But those two
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: statements by him or his campaign seemed to go right
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: against a lot of the elector in Michigan.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And toxic masculinity in football, Oh my gosh, we'll see
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it might just be the August Blues. Maybe he'll bounce back.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: What do you make And I got to set this
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: up the right way. I disclose your time. Natalie Harp
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: and I text each other when I want the president
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: to come on my program, or he wants to come
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: on my program, or I want him to see X,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: or he wants me to see Z. She's the twenty
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: four seven three sixty five aid. She is like Claude,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: but before Claude was invented, before chat shept, there was
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Natalie Hart. John Ossop ran her over with a pickup
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: truck yesterday and it was disgusting, and I said so,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and so did a lot of people like Ari fly
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Sure and a lot of mainstream people Matt Whitlow, And
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the left wing comes unhinged to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: try and defend ASoP. What do you make of this, Brett,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: It's just not normal.
• 32:56
  Speaker 9: It's not normal. It's uh, you know. An onself went
• 32:59
  Speaker 9: on Jens Show and had the opportunity to say something
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: and to maybe not make it about Natalie Harp, but
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: he didn't. He kind of punted a little bit on
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: when asked about it. Listen, this is about the candidates themselves.
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: They run for office, they're in office. Uh, they're the
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: ones that are the focus, not the the aides, especially
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: not a nade like Natalie de Harp, who overcame bone
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: cancer and credits, you know, President Trump for his right
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: to try let's you know, push to help Saber. I mean, she's, yeah,
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: she's she's a hard worker, as you know, she's she's
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: with the president all the time. The insinuation I think
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: ours was saying was was a lot more than just
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: aids telling him what he wants to hear.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I agree, and I find a repulsive because I got
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: a daughter, I got granddaughters. If they want to work
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: hard for a man, I don't want someone to slay
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: er them. For that final thing I want to bring
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: up to you, Brett, is that when we look at
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: at the polling across the board, Patrick Graffini is one
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: of the best. He said today he's done an analysis
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: of the last thirty years that particularly in the month
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: of August, but especially in midterms, the Poles slant towards
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the during Democrats a long way. Patrick is one of
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the best in the business. So I'm not going to
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: doubt his conclusion. Well, I don't think pollsters are trying
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: to be wrong either. I don't think they put their
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: thumb on the scale. Why do you think that might
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: be that they're always tilted towards that actually said seventy
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: five percent of the time, but more in the off
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: years and especially in August. Any idea off the top
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: of your head why that might be.
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: Well, one is, you know some of this is about
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: the part of this out of power, and obviously it
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: builds up to make races interesting. And you know, before
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: people get back from summer, by Labor Day, they start
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: to get engaged fully. So the ones who are engaged
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: fully now are the ones that desperately want Republicans out
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: of office and out of control, and those are Democrats.
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: So it times out that way. This time, I'll be
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: careful about polls. You just have this polling incident in
• 35:18
  Speaker 9: California in Wisconsin from an organization that said they were legitimate,
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: and the polls came out and it had Karen vass
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: up on her opponent and she touted the poll. Turns
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: out the pollsters said they were doing a social experiment. Well,
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: the social experiment they did also in Wisconsin with Francesca
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: home up twenty three points. Well, that was the same
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: company and they admitted that basically it was a fake poll,
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: So I think, yeah, they lied. I think it's buyer
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: beware here. You've got to know what polls you're looking at,
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: and you have to take it all with a grain
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: of salt. Until you get towards where we get likely
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: voters closer to an election, maybe it's just a snapshot,
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: and even then, you know, take it with a grand salt.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Well said great wisdom. Fox News polls one of the
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  Speaker 1: best in the business. Loan with Gallup, and there are
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: a few others like st Anselom. But Brett Beer We'll
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  Speaker 1: be watching tonight six pm on the Fox News Channel
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: for special report. Thank you, Brett. Welcome back, America. I'm
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Hue Hewett, joined by Christopher Rufo. Christopher is a senior
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, prolific contributor to the City
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Journal at citydash Journal dot org.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Christopher, welcome back.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think we've talked to you since America's Cultural
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Revolution came out. I am wondering since we are on
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: c SPAN this week, not just Salem Media and It's Universe,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the radio network and our affiliates on the radio and
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: the Salem News Channel, on Live TV, Pluto, Real Ku,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: all the Amazon, Samsung, but c Span this week? Did
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you ever have the privilege and high honor of being
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: interviewed by Brian Lamb?
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: You know I never did.
• 36:59
  Speaker 11: I grew up, you know, watching the Brian Lamb clips,
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: but have never been on the show.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: He would have been a magnificent interlocutor on America's cultural revolution,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: which I continue to tell people is the best guide
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to where we are and how we got here. But
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about your last two weeks in
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the City Journal because you and Ryan Thorpe and on
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: one of these articles, Santiago Viad al caval Calvo are
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: on fire. And I think I'm going to start with
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: the one that is most disgusting because I know LA.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I covered La for ten years on the nightly news
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: for PBS Christopher and so when I see I left
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and two. I was on from nineteen
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: ninety two to two thousand and two. Then a small
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: homeless problem on skid Row by the time I left
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: California in twenty sixteen was big. Now it's a zombie apocalypse.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Seventy five thousand homeless people. One indication of how bad
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: it is is your article. I'm going to just give
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the lead. In two thousand and nine, there were nine
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: typhus case in the LA. Twenty twenty two there are
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: one hundred seventy one, twenty twenty four there were two
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: This is about rats. Tell us about it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: Yeah, this is about play rats that have returned. So
• 38:12
  Speaker 11: you know, we did a story. We had we did foya.
• 38:15
  Speaker 11: We got a thousand pages of documents from the County
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: Health Department in Los Angeles, and the picture that these
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: documents painted was quite grim. You have a return of typhus,
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: you have outbreaks of hantavirus. You have really a plethora
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: of medieval diseases that are on the rise in LA.
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: And there are a couple of causes for this. The
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: first is that the homeless encampments that are scattered not
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: just in skid row but throughout the city are the
• 38:40
  Speaker 11: perfect breeding ground for rats, and so now there are
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: millions of rats breeding under the streets of Los Angeles,
• 38:47
  Speaker 11: and the County Health Department admits in these internal documents
• 38:51
  Speaker 11: that they're not ready for these outbreaks, and at the
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: same time, you have California Governor Gavin Newsom in two
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: separate pieces of legislation in recent years banning all of
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: the most effective rodenticides, so rat poisons that can keep
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: that population at bay. And when you put those ingredients together,
• 39:08
  Speaker 11: you get something that experts predicted in LA seems powerless
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: to stop, which is Typhus, including three deaths from Typhus
• 39:16
  Speaker 11: in recent years.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Christoph Rufo I went down with Judge David Carter three
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: years ago. The judge is an old friend of mine.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: He asked me to come along or right along to
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: his public hearing. It is a zombie apocalypse downtown seventy
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: five thousand people, probably half of them are downtown, the
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: other half are spread out. Have you ever been down there?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: It's not really safe unless you're going with a federal
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: judge and federal marshals. But have you ever been down there?
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: No wonder Typhus is there.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: I've been down there a number of times and have
• 39:45
  Speaker 11: done some reporting on skid Row, and what you're describing
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: as is absolutely real. Last time I was there, police
• 39:52
  Speaker 11: had cordoned off one of the blocks and the kind
• 39:55
  Speaker 11: of midpoint of my reporting there, and they had reports
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: that someone had a child living in one of these
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: tents that was full of fentanyl addicts, kind of hallucinating
• 40:06
  Speaker 11: people screaming violence, littered with needles, trash feces. I mean,
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: it really is like a scene from a Hieronymous Bosh
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: dystopian painting and la under Mayor Bass and whether it's
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: Karen Bass or Nittia Rahman, the Democratic Socialist challenger in
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: this upcoming election, seemed totally uninterested in stopping it, but
• 40:32
  Speaker 11: in fact seem interested in some ways in perpetuating it
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: because it gives him an excuse to spend hundreds of
• 40:37
  Speaker 11: millions of dollars on left wing NGOs. And that's exactly
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: what seems to be happening. They dump billions of dollars
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: trying to fight homelessness quote unquote, but they end up
• 40:48
  Speaker 11: just reinforcing the system that causes it in the first place.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: And an outrage.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: As Federal Judge Carter, by the way, was a Clinton appointee,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: marine he tried to get control of this issue those
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: billions of dollars, Ninth Circuit would not let him get
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: control of it. So it continues to be a tragedy.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Now explaining itself in type of statistics. Your second story, Christopher,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: is about the fraud name at Gavin Newsom. I call
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: him a fraud because he began his tenure as governor
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: saying he's.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Going to do my show and do my show and
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: do my show. He never did. He lied, He's lied
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: to you. He's lied to the people.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Of California like a thousand times about being an open
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: and honest and transparent governor. And you got the goods
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: tell him about Article number two.
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.
• 41:31
  Speaker 11: So you know, we've been doing this California Reporting series,
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: and one thing that we're doing pursuing to California's public
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: records law is asking for public records on matters of
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: public importance, so on policy on the governor's actions, on
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: the governor's staff's communications, and the governor's office as well
• 41:49
  Speaker 11: as other agencies around the state have really systematically refused
• 41:53
  Speaker 11: to provide us these documents, and in some cases, the
• 41:55
  Speaker 11: governor's lawyers are arguing that they don't have to release
• 41:59
  Speaker 11: any thing related to the governor's actions or internal communications
• 42:03
  Speaker 11: for up to fifty years. So these are in a sense,
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: they're saying all of the records related to the governor's
• 42:10
  Speaker 11: actions can be concealed for decades. And this is on
• 42:15
  Speaker 11: the heels of him pledging over and over to be
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: the most transparent governorship in California history, to be open
• 42:22
  Speaker 11: and accessible to the public. It's all lies and in fact,
• 42:27
  Speaker 11: he's trying to keep everything down to his calendar, effectively
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: a North Korean style state secret.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm a shocked by this, Christopher. From
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: two thousand. From nineteen eighty nine to twenty sixteen, I
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: was covered by the California Affair Political Practices Act as
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: an appointee to the Art Quality Management District the California
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Arts Council that prop ten commission in Orange County. I
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: had to file and file and file. It's supposed to
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: be the widest, open, cleanest government, most restrictive on corruption
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: state in the Union, and it used to be. And
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom is single handedly destroyed that. Do you think
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that will follow him into I think his doom presidential campaign.
• 43:07
  Speaker 11: We'll see, you know, I tell conservatives don't underestimate Gavin Newsom.
• 43:12
  Speaker 11: And obviously you know, as you said, he lies through
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: his teeth. It's just a constant string of changing narratives
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: depending on whatever he thinks will be popular, and yet
• 43:22
  Speaker 11: Gavin Newsom, you know, whatever his faults, does have a
• 43:25
  Speaker 11: certain kind of political instinct and a raw charisma that
• 43:30
  Speaker 11: is going to be attractive to many people. He's perceived
• 43:33
  Speaker 11: by liberals as someone who's willing to stand up and
• 43:36
  Speaker 11: fight against Trump, against Republicans, against the right more broadly. So,
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: I think that if I had to put my money
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: on it now, I think he's the favorite for winning
• 43:48
  Speaker 11: the Democratic nomination, and I think that he has enough
• 43:52
  Speaker 11: political talent that the rights should be, you know, worried
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: about it if he does secure that nomination.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Which is why people need to go to citydash Journal
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: dot org and read the story what is Gavin Newsom Hiding?
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: It's by Christopher Rufo, Santiago Vidal Calvo, and Ryan Thorpe.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: It's one of a string of articles on their California Report.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: It's actual real journalism at the City Journal, and they're
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: doing more about California than the La Times would dream
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: of doing in a year. They've done in a couple
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: of months over the last couple of months. Good to
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: see you again, Christopher Rufo, and we got to come
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: back and talk about America's America's Cultural Revolution again, because
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: it's the book that explains the DSA.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: We got thirty cent. You agree with me. Your book
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: explains the DSA. Yeah, you know.
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: I don't go into it in specific, but I think
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: it describes the kind of world that the DSA emerges
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: from and describes the kind of ideas that they espouse.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I hope it comes out.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I hope you do a second edition because it needs
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: to be updated with all the new crazy dsayers. Christopher Rufo,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: thank you. I'll be right back, America, Stay tuned.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Welcome back.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewittt and we're special. Welcome to our c
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Span audience. If you're turning in. My guest right now
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: is Byron York, Fox News contributor, also Washington Examiner, senior
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: political writer and a longtime friend of the program. Byron,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the c SPAN audience, joining us this week.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Did you ever get interviewed by Brian Lamb for any reason?
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I did?
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: I'm a big Brian Lamb fan.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know anyone who is a Beltway resident who
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't say the same thing because he was so thoroughly professional.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a Democrat or Republican. To
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: this day, I just know he's a professional. And now
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Sam Feist has taken over a CEO over there and
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: he's running my show for a week in Stephanie Miller's show.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: So lefty and a righty and that's fine, it's good balance.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: But it's a new audience. So, Byron, I want to
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: ask you about an old question, white House security. My
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: first day on the job is a White House assistant counsel.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Long ago and far away in nineteen eighty five, the
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: estimable Dickhuser, Deputy Council the President, walked me over from
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the old Executive Office building underneath the arch in front
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: of the White House into the East Wing basement and
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: down into the subterranean floors, which I never talked about
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: until they became public knowledge. With the East Wind construction
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Bunker's built there in nineteen forty two and they're still
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: there and they're being modernized. I don't think this is
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: a close case. I think the Supreme Court is going
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: to tell the DC Circuit and Judge Leon it's not
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: their job.
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: What do you think, Well, I do think that the
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: first of all, the entire nation has a huge interest
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: in the safety of the president, no doubt about that.
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: But inside the actual government, the one person who has
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: the most interest in the safety of the president is
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: the president.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and.
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: I agree with you on this, especially now in the
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: context of we have seen so many assassination attempts on
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: Donald Trump. We know they're out there, we know they
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: are kouks, they're resistance maniacs, and they're Iranians too, who
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: are all trying to kill I would suspect that the
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: Iranians will be trying to kill Trump for the rest
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: of his life. So I think this is a serious issue,
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: and the first thing you have to do is protect
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: the president. That he can talk about other stuff, but
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: the first thing you have to do is protect the president.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: So the Chief Justice got the papers today, he can
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: issue a stay. It wouldn't be the final word. It
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: would be a stay until a substance of rooting can
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: be rached by the nine members of the court, maybe
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: on the emergency docket. Do you expect them to act
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: quickly to tell everybody construction can continue.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: I would think so because now I will say that Trump,
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: as far as the East wing is, the whole east
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: wing thing is concerned Trump did what is known in
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: the business world in other places as changing the facts
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: on the ground. Yep, he did not ask for permission
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: to tear down the East Wing. He just tore it down.
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: And he must have enjoyed the kind of ridiculous scene
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: in which a number of people file lawsuits to stop
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: him from tearing down the East Wing when it was
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: already a hole right next to the White House. But
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: that's what he did. So now the question is what
• 48:14
  Speaker 8: kind of what is he building in its place? And
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: we know that there is a significant national security component
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: to this new East Wing, not only below it, but
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: with some sort of drone port on the roof as well.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: So I mean, who knows that really well?
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Byron, the Chief Justice of the United States is an
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: associate council to the President. And Brett Kavanaugh, Justice Kavanaugh
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: was staff secretary to a president.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: They know the White House pretty well, right.
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: The staff secretary when when when Brett Kavanaugh was staff
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: secretary to George W. Bush. That's the person who basically
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: takes care of the paper flow to the president. You know,
• 48:52
  Speaker 8: there's a stamp that they put on documents and it
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: says the President has seen So there's one person. It's
• 49:01
  Speaker 8: the staff secretary who gets that paper to the president
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: ultimately decides what the president sees hugely important. Yes, Kevin
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: O will fill that punction and punction for George W.
• 49:14
  Speaker 9: Bush.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: So I want to end on the White House staff.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Natalie Harp and I text to each other when I'm
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: trying to get the President on my HWIT show or
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the President wants to come on the Q Huge show.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: It's Natalie Harp, right, she's working twenty four to seven,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: three sixty five. John Ossoff Slanderer yesterday. A lot of people,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: including me, were very angry about that because we know
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: she's a bone cancer survivor who thinks the President is
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: a great guy because he passed the right to try
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: act and works harder than anybody I've ever known in Washington,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: and there are a lot of people who work twenty
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: four to seven three sixty five, including Byron York.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Ossoff runs her over, he gets hammered, and then the
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: left wing explodes it.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: The people who are angry saying Donald Trump is worth
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I think it was like a TDS acid test, like
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: a filter that if you went crazy over this, you've
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: got TDS.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Am I right, or am I smoking something?
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: Well, the one thing I don't want to see is
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: as off backing off from his insinuation. I mean, he
• 50:08
  Speaker 8: needs to tell us more because he was actually asked
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: about you know why, okay, why did you mention? You
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: mentioned one person by name? It was Natalie Harp. Why
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: did you do that? And he said, well, we're in
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: wartime and the president is trying to I guess, escape
• 50:25
  Speaker 8: his run responsibilities or or escape into a bubble just
• 50:29
  Speaker 8: where he can hang out with his closest advisors and
• 50:32
  Speaker 8: not have to face the chaos and destruction. He is
• 50:35
  Speaker 8: set off and blah blah blah, and and you know
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: the next question I thought should have been so, but
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: wait a minute, aren't you aren't you insinuating that you know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: Trump is having affair with an aid uh and you know,
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: and make make us off own what he is saying
• 50:53
  Speaker 8: because we have excitement that we have the.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Way we're on Atlanta Drive Time right now, probably the
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: highest rated show in Atlanta Drive Time?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Do you think this helps or hurt him?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: And we're also all over Georgia do you think this
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: helps or hurts John Ossoff with Georgia voters.
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: Well, it Asoff has really been rising on the left,
• 51:15
  Speaker 8: in the resistance left, and that's because he does. He
• 51:20
  Speaker 8: releases these excerpts of speeches. They're very carefully thought through.
• 51:24
  Speaker 8: So this, this whole mention of Natalie Harp was was
• 51:27
  Speaker 8: not an accident. It didn't just pop out of his mouth.
• 51:30
  Speaker 8: It was very carefully done. This will definitely increase his
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: visibility and popularity with the most adamant opponents of the president.
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: I think he was. He's leading in polls in Georgia anyway.
• 51:47
  Speaker 8: But in terms of making him seem more like a
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: presidential aspirant to that group of super dedicated Democrats who
• 51:58
  Speaker 8: you know, become delegates and and pay a big play,
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: a big role in their process, I think it probably
• 52:03
  Speaker 8: helps them.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I also, I have to I think about white suburban
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: women who may have daughters or be that age. I
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: think it hurt him badly with them, But we'll see
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Byron York can be followed on exit Byron York. We'rre
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: in the Washington Examiner, seeing on Fox News, heard and
• 52:21
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  Speaker 2: Am I right about that? Michael?
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  Speaker 1: you on because of the DSA.
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  Speaker 2: Michael.
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  Speaker 1: I want to play for you a clip and then
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: we're going to dip into your Claremont Institute political theory
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  Speaker 1: background to expound on this.
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  Speaker 2: This is the DSA National.
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  Speaker 1: Steering Committee meeting where Member Cliff Connolly opines on what
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  Speaker 1: matters the most of the DSA cut number ten cool.
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  Speaker 14: So the two things that we're famous for is are
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  Speaker 14: committed to a program and our hatred of the United
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  Speaker 14: States Constitution. And what the program does is it gives
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  Speaker 14: us a roadmap to revolution, and it gives us the
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  Speaker 14: obstacle that we finally will have to get over to
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  Speaker 14: have a revolution, which is the United States Constitution basis
• 56:49
  Speaker 14: of the United States government. And what the minimum maximum program. Specifically,
• 56:54
  Speaker 14: what that format specifically gives us is that roadmap. It
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  Speaker 14: gives us the minimum circumstances under which we would be
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  Speaker 14: able to take power and govern, and it gives us
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  Speaker 14: the maximum program, which is the goals that we're actually
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  Speaker 14: aiming for. It also clarifies democracy as both the end
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  Speaker 14: goal and as part of the process to get there,
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  Speaker 14: ensures the internal party democracy that we want to see
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  Speaker 14: in d essay. So it really wraps up the revolutionary
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  Speaker 14: tradition of democracy that I think socialism and abolitionism in
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  Speaker 14: the United States have always been a part of, and
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  Speaker 14: aims it.
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  Speaker 15: At a future that we can live in as a
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  Speaker 15: human species, because I think absent a revolutionary democratic, socialist
• 57:41
  Speaker 15: republic in North America, we may not have a livable future.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Michael moles I should have been ended with hold my beer,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: ropes Pierre, what do you think about that?
• 57:52
  Speaker 13: When he first opened his mouth, I almost thought that
• 57:55
  Speaker 13: he was joking, that he was doing a caricature of
• 57:58
  Speaker 13: the socialists. It'd be like a Republican saying, well, you know,
• 58:01
  Speaker 13: we conservatives most care about cigars and sexism and enriching ourselves.
• 58:06
  Speaker 13: You know, it'd be like it's a self effacing joke,
• 58:09
  Speaker 13: and so that's what you'd expect, except there was no laughter.
• 58:12
  Speaker 13: There was no giggle, there was no smirk. He was
• 58:15
  Speaker 13: dead serious. He said, our program is about destroying the
• 58:19
  Speaker 13: US Constitution. We hate the US Constitution. And you got
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  Speaker 13: to give him some points for honesty. You know that
• 58:26
  Speaker 13: the chief spokesman these days for the Democrat Party, Hassan Piker,
• 58:30
  Speaker 13: he has come out. He said, I wipe my dairy air.
• 58:33
  Speaker 13: He used a different language with the American flag. He said,
• 58:37
  Speaker 13: America deserved nine to eleven. And then, of course you
• 58:39
  Speaker 13: have Democrat candidates, including now Democrat Senate nominees, who are
• 58:43
  Speaker 13: campaigning with this guy. And so you know, I guess
• 58:47
  Speaker 13: I have to thank the DSA here in that they
• 58:49
  Speaker 13: are just stating explicitly what has been implicit in the
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  Speaker 13: left wing program for decades now. And I don't think
• 58:56
  Speaker 13: that's hyperbole. I don't think I'm taking cheap shots. We
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  Speaker 13: now know that the the essay is more popular than
• 59:02
  Speaker 13: Democrats in Congress, obviously damning with faint praise. It's a
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: pretty low bar. But nevertheless, what the Democratic Socialists are
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  Speaker 13: offering is more appealing to the rank and file Democrat
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  Speaker 13: voter than anything resembling a moderate or establishment candidate. Even
• 59:17
  Speaker 13: in all these primaries, what we're figuring out is between
• 59:20
  Speaker 13: the DSAY and the supposed establishment when it comes down
• 59:23
  Speaker 13: to policy and outlook, they're really basically the same.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Now, Michael Knowles is one of the few people I
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: can ask this question too. In the Dickens novel The
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Tale Two Cities, it begins at the best of times,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: it was the worst of times. He's talking about the
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: French Revolution seventeen eighty nine and through the next decade,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: and then flash forward in nineteen fifty three. Russell Kirk
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: writes The Conservative Mind, and Matt Contnetty prompted me to
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: go back and listen to that, and he said, Russell
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Kirk says about Edmund Burke, who wrote Reflections on the
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Revolution in France, that's what happens when the revolutionary fever
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: breaks ninety eight point six, when you don't have ordered liberty,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and especially when you don't have judaeo Christian values at
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: the center of your revolution of moral order.
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  Speaker 2: Have I got that right?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Basically, the DSA is fulfilling Russell Kirk's prophecy for the left.
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  Speaker 13: Yes, there's no question about it, and Kirk, I think
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 13: is a perfect conservative thinker to consider for these times,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 13: because when Russell Kirk is writing about conservatism, he's not
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 13: writing about a particular ideology. He doesn't say that you
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 13: can put conservatism into three bullet points on the back
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 13: of a napkin. He says that conservatism is actually an
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 13: anti ideology. It's the negation of ideology. Roger Scrutin put
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 13: it well describing Kirk's ideas when he said that it's
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 13: really more of an attitude than an ideology. Russell Kirk,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 13: drawing very much on his forbear, Edmund Burke, that conservatism
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 13: is about prescription prejudice, not in the unjust way, but
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 13: the way where we just make prejudgments because we don't
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 13: have time to write lengthy essays about every decision we make,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 13: starting with breakfast in the morning.
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  Speaker 7: That it's an attitude and an inclination.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 13: And this is where you see the stark difference between
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 13: the left and the right. Within the right, actually we
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 13: can quibble about economic policy or foreign policy, or whether
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 13: we should have tariffs or lower tariffs or whatever, but
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 13: ultimately the distinction in politics it comes down to a
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 13: love of country or a hatred of country. And on
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 13: the left, now you have this avert rejection of patriotism
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 13: and open hostility to our own country and our own constitution.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 13: Whereas on the right, Donald Trump, who is no ideologue
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 13: by any stretch, what does he do when he wants
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 13: to express his political views. He hugs the American flag
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 13: on stage, he kisses it in this almost cartoonish way.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 13: But he's expressing a real inclination, a real desire, And
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 13: that is the most basic.
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  Speaker 7: Thing that we have to restore to the American polity.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 13: That is certainly what unites the entire American right and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 13: draws a stark opposition between us and the American left.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 13: These are people who openly hate your country, who hate
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 13: their countrymen, who want to destroy the foundations of the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 13: report public.
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  Speaker 7: And we cannot allow them to gain power.
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  Speaker 13: Whatever disagreements we might have amongst ourselves when it comes
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 13: to tax policy or whatever, we need to put that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 13: on the back burner for a second, because we face
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 13: a real threat to the whole patriotic project itself.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Now, I want to play for you one more clip
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: from my program yesterday with Israeli public intellectual Aviv Reddy.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Gore.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I asked him from abroad, from a perspective from Israel,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: what is the American cultural crisis? He said, this cut
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: number two.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 16: And my concern was mostly having to do I'll just
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 16: cut to the chase with kids. Look, we're going through
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 16: right now. You feel it in American politics with DSA
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 16: on one side and the radicalization of the podcast Bros.
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  Speaker 17: On the other.
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  Speaker 16: We're going through a period right now where the kids
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 16: are on TikTok and various other kinds of tiktoks, and
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 16: they're living in this algorithmically created sort of world information,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 16: kind of echo chamber, and the parents are living off
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 16: in a completely different place. And so you have a
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 16: generational gap. And it's, by the way, happening in Britain
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 16: and France and Israel. It's not unique to America. It's
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 16: a function of the structures of this new era. Probably
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 16: in the history of humanity, it might be true, it's
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 16: reasonable to believe that there has never been such a
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 16: disruption of basic culture and basic information and the basic
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 16: sense of the world than there is today. What the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 16: parents knew, the kids don't know, and so the kids
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 16: are radicalizing into places that the parents don't even understand
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 16: and those fundamental, foundational, deep ideas that were America's strength
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 16: are becoming lost in the New conversation.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Michael Knowles, you've got about two minutes to comment on that.
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  Speaker 7: Well, that's a really important point he makes.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 13: I sometimes joke about the Zoomers, who I love the Zoomers,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 13: you know, they're the future of the country, whether we
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 13: want it to be or not.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: In some ways they give me a lot of hope.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 13: But at the extremes, the zoomer seems to either be
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 13: transgender or Nazis, and occasionally you get the rare transgender Nazi,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 13: but not We don't want either of those. And what's
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 13: notable about both of those is that both of those
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 13: identities and ideologies are deracinated. They're pulled out of a
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 13: political context. They're very very online. And so I think
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 13: his observation is very good that it is easy to
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 13: become abstract, to be taken in by ideologies that are
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 13: disconnected from lived reality when you live most of your
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 13: life mediated by a screen, whether it's your phone or
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 13: your computer. And so what's very very important is that
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 13: we touch grass, as the kids say, and that we
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 13: you know, re engage with the actual political community. In
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 13: the case of the transgender craziness on the left, obviously
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 13: we need to recall that we have bodies, and we
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 13: are bodies, and we can't remove ourselves from our bodies.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 13: But when it comes to some of the radical ideologies
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 13: that have been entertained on the right among the zoomers,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 13: we need to remember, you know, we come it from
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 13: a real political tradition. We exist in real political communities.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 13: Politics is not about eating some edgy meme online or
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 13: some thinker that you know you think is really cool
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 13: or radical. It's about applying ideas and then cultivating virtues
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 13: and then actually doing it in the political community.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: And so this is where Burke.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 13: I'm so glad you brought up Russell Kirk, because this
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 13: is where Edmund Burke is so important. It's about the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 13: actual political tradition that we live in. It is the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 13: art of the possible, the art of the second best.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 13: It's about actually advancing the common good within your own
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 13: political community. You're gonna find that less online, You're gonna
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 13: find it more in your real country.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Michael J. Knowles is on x at, Michael J. K
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  Speaker 1: in Sultree, Tennessee. I'll be right back in America. Stay tuned,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Welcome back in America, Hugh Eughett and I want to
• 1:05:56
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  Speaker 1: my guest right now, senior commentator and editor for National Review,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Noah Rothman. He's also the author of the brand new
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  Speaker 1: book Blood and Progress. Noah, I'm going to throw at you.
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  Speaker 1: Two big quotes from our guests yesterday have viv ruhig
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Gore on the two problems with America. He is one
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: of the great public intellectuals in Israel. Cut number one
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  Speaker 1: for Noah Rothman.
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  Speaker 16: America is the strangest country there's ever been, and Americans
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  Speaker 16: are the only people in the world who don't know it.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 16: There has never been a nation born out of an idea,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 16: and that idea was so overwhelmingly powerful and profoundly real
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 16: to the people who built this nation. That for the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 16: next two and a half centuries, the idea created a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 16: the world's largest, first successful, real large scale democracy, be
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 16: the model that allowed everyone else to go and become democratic.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 16: Who became democratic?
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  Speaker 2: Nobody had ever done it before. But no, what do
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  Speaker 2: you think about that? Do we not appreciate ourselves enough?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: I love that, And no we do not.
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  Speaker 18: You know, I'm going to integrate my reaction to that
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 18: clip with the clip that you just played for Michael
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 18: Knowles from that DSA activist who said that we need
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 18: to get rid of the Constitution. It's a great speech
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 18: by antonin Scalia in which he's lecturing Congress over this
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 18: I believe, in which he says, what makes America great,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 18: and it is the Constitution, and it is the Bill
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 18: of rights. But it's not just that, he says, because
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 18: every country has a bill of rights. Indeed, some of
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 18: them are more expansive than ours. The Soviet Union guaranteed
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 18: everybody housing and food and occupations. No, our constitution is
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 18: great because of the separation of powers. It enshrines and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 18: codifies competition between ambitious sectors within our government. And it's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 18: the Constitution's genius that pits these time sectors against one
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 18: another and through the mechanism of Congress and legislation, modifies
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 18: demands and incorporates disagreements and gets buy in from all
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 18: the factions, all these competing factions into a compromised solution
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 18: that negates the necessity for revolution. That's their problem is
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 18: the revolution and all the violence that accompanies it is
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 18: not something that is attractive to Americans because our grievances
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 18: get worked out through the constitutional process. That's why the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 18: Constitution is such an obstacle to them, because they want
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 18: a violent conflict. They want to undermine the American system.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 18: They want some sort of a unicameral legislature that's subservient
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 18: to a president who they'll call the Big Chief. I mean,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 18: they're very all honest about this stuff. What they want
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 18: is unconstrained power, and the Constitution is what's in their way.
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  Speaker 1: Amen say or preach, I should say, because that's exactly right.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: And you heard Michael Miles and I talk about Burke.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: So I want to take you into the active politics
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: of this. Mike Rogers is running for Senate in Michigan
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: against a DSA adjacent Hassan Piker Spidey suit wearing abdu
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  Speaker 1: El Sayed and his political director or political advisor fellow
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: by the name of Mason Pressler had a reaction to this.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Rogers ad, let's play the ad first for people
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  Speaker 1: just tuning in cut number eleven.
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  Speaker 7: This American, this American.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't know if you know what the Woodward
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  Speaker 1: Dream Cruise is. I do because I'm a Michigan nurse sorto,
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  Speaker 1: because I went to law school there, and I'm up
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: at Hillsdale a lot, and I've driven Woodward Avenue a
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  Speaker 1: lot every year for two decades. Forty thousand classic cars.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Do the Woodward Drive, the Woodward.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Dream Cruise, and more than a million people lining the streets.
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  Speaker 1: And Mike Rogers had the savvy political instincts to film
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: his classic Ford truck ad and Mason Pressler aid on Piker,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: but to Abdo l si Ed called that a white
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  Speaker 1: flight suburb KK inspired bit of iconography.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think about that reaction?
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  Speaker 18: I think that's what you know, clinical psychologists would call psychotic.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 18: That's the sort of image that you can see twenty
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 18: miles outside any major American metro or minor American metro
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 18: it's just a very common sight to see old cars
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 18: and lots of American flags.
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  Speaker 9: You know.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 18: One of the things that Europeans were marveling at when
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 18: they came here for the World Cup is the ubiquity
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 18: of American flags, because we actually like this country. Americans
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 18: like their country. They're proud of it. They want to
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 18: display their patriotic impulses. The flag is the way we
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 18: do that. It's just draped across every household in suburban America.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 18: And to see in that some sort of dog whistling
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 18: signal to racists is the sort of thing that you
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 18: would hear on MSNBC in twenty twelve. It's very highly academic, abstracted,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 18: theorized version of what the campus looks at America through
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 18: this bizarre prism and translates America into something unrecognizable to
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 18: the rest of the country. But that is the kind
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 18: of stuff that's currency on American college campuses. It's like
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 18: overthinking the problem, and therefore you demonstrate your own capacity
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 18: for deep intellectual thought by just articulating this sort of nonsense.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: But it is nonsense, well it is.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: But now Michael Moles's pointed out in the last segment,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: our political parties are aligning very badly. I might add
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: into pro country and anti country extremes, and both parties
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: should be pro country. The Democrats should want higher taxes
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: and we should argue no, lower taxes are better. And
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: the Democrats should want to say, you're spending too much
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: on defense, and we should want to say we aren't
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: even spending half of what.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: We need to do on defense.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: But we're down to basics now, Noah, at least, I
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: think Blood and Progress makes that argument in your book,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: and the DSA ors make that argument, and I think
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: the campaigns in Maine, Michigan, and Minnesota are revolving around that,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: and maybe Georgia and maybe Texas too.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 18: Yeah, I think there's a lot of shared principles that
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 18: most Americans agree on, and in Blood and Progress my
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 18: latest book. One of them is the taboo around political violence,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 18: which is very real. Why is it that when there's
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 18: an act of political violence, do you hear the left
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 18: and the right both point fingers at each other and
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 18: accuse the other of being more violent than them. It's
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 18: because there's an underlying taboo around political violence that they
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 18: want to exploit.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 9: That's good.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 18: That's the sort of thing I can I can work with.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 18: And I think what you're hearing there from most Americans
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 18: is a general consensus around first principles. The thing is
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 18: is we're in primary season, and back to Haviv's point,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 18: is that because we have these silos, these information silos
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 18: that reward create a series of social rewards for extremism.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 18: For being outside the mainstream. You get engagement points for
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 18: being the weirdest guy in the bunch on social media.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 18: That ends up being making you the loudest person on
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 18: social media. And the extremes of both parties pick up
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 18: on that and think, aha, here's an intellectual current that
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 18: I need to get in front of because it's the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 18: next big thing. And then when you get to general
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 18: election time, all that extremism kind of recedes and we
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 18: get back to talking about first principles and arguing the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 18: forty yard lines of American politics, which is tax rates
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 18: and immigration policy and the presence of US troops and
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 18: foreign bases. I mean, that sort of thing that's like
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 18: typical of American politics. But during the primaries, the internet
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 18: extremes are the loudest voices in the room and therefore
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 18: get the most attention to the detriment of both parties.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: As you say, is it we got a minute?
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 16: No?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Is it containable? Or has it just ruined the Democrat
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's ruined the Republican Party. I really don't.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: We've got mainstream normy people like Susan Collins and Mike
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Rogers and Michelle de Foy are running, and Mike Collins
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: and Georgia What is it ruined the Democrats?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 7: I just don't know.
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  Speaker 18: I really I can't even begin to speculate, because I
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 18: just I don't know the trajectory of this sort of thing.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 18: It has the feel of a moral panic, which should
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 18: mean it would recede. But there's a lot of longevity
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 18: onto what has been the toxic posture on the internet
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 18: infecting how politicians talk to regular voters, and then they
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 18: get it a reminder of every general election cycle. Oh yeah,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 18: this is where the American people were, and the resolved
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 18: to do something about it. You saw this in twenty
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 18: twenty five with the Democrats. He saw it after twenty
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 18: twelve the Republicans. They get a message from voters and
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 18: they resolve to be a little bit more grounded and
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 18: that all goes away once they have contact with their
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 18: voters on the internet.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Amen to that again. No c Rothman on ex author
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: of Blood and Progress. You got to go and get it.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Sea Span audience, Brian Lamb would have loved it. Stay tune,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Welcome back America and a special welcome to our sea
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: SPAN audience today. You're going to recognize my next guest
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: if you're a c SPAN addict, because Congressman John Campbell,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: now retired, spent fourteen years in those hallowed halls and
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: he used to be appearing often on your sea Span
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: feed because he was quite eloquent if the Finance Committee
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: or on the floor whenever he was there. Congressman, thank
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: you for coming in on an emergency basis for our
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: c SPAN audience today and sea Span two, but also
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: because I have a classic car story and you're the
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: classic car guy for that. It begins in Michigan, where
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: you spent a lot of time in your life, didn't
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: you up there dealing with the dealers that you dealt with.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 17: Well, I'm with the manufacturers.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 19: I was a GM and a Ford dealer, amongst other
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 19: things in my car business career. And because of my
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 19: car business background. Everybody in the car business, including gm
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 19: Ford and Chrysler when I was in Congress, wanted to
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 19: talk to me about things because I understood the industry.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: All right. So I'm going to play you.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Mike Rogers, who's running for Senate in Michigan. His ad
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: that came out yesterday is part one. Let's play the
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Mike Rogers ad for John Campbell.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: No American, This American the Woodwork Dream Crew John Campbell.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Did you ever drive in it?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 9: I have not.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 17: I'm fully familiar with it. I never drove in it.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 19: And by the way, though I did serve with Mike Rodgers,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 19: knew him very well, and as you probably know, he
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 19: went into talk radio. He left Congress I think the
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 19: same year I did, and he went into talk radio
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 19: for a while when I was subbing for you on
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 19: your show. So we stayed in touch for a little
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 19: while after that, but I haven't talked to him in years.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 17: But we did know each other very well.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 19: Again, being a former car dealer and a car guy,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 19: I was pretty close to everybody in Michigan, including the
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 19: retiring senator up there, Gary Peters.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 17: He and I.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 19: Actually did a few bills together back when Republicans and Democrats,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 19: as I often say, we actually wanted the same things.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 19: We just disagreed on how to get there. But today,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 19: certainly with the DSA, they don't want anywhere near the
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 19: same things that Republicans want. But anyway, Mike's a really
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 19: good guy and we worked together on things in Congress.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: Carbs isn't stuff, okay.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: So the Woodward Dreamer Cruise is a forty thousand strong
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: classic car parade down Woodward Avenue with a million people attending,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: and Mike took that ad right out of this year's cruise.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Mason Pressler is abdu l Sayed's political director or political advisor.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: He posted on x to his personal account, this is
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: a white flight KKK imagery on display. What do you
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: think about that? Top take from the obdeh from Team
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: l Sayed.
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  Speaker 19: I actually knew that before I did this interview with you,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 19: and before I even knew what you were going to
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 19: talk about, because all my car collecting phrases are sending,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 19: are sending all this around, and they're saying, what if
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 19: I have a red pickup an American flag, I'm a Nazi?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: What is what is this?
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 17: So it is I think as many things that mister.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 19: L sayed and his his competeots are saying. I am
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 19: not sure that the things he's saying are going to
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 19: help his campaign, particularly in the state where they build
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 19: those trucks. Okay, that's where those trucks are made. I mean,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 19: it's one thing if you say it in Oregon or something,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 19: but to say it in Michigan, I mean, come on.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: So, John, the classic car community I've had comments on
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: X today is very, very diverse, black, white, Lettino people
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: who are car people are not defined by white privilege
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: or wealth. Although you did hit a record at the
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Monterey Car Sailor or whatever that was this week. Uh,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: it's not an exclusive community.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: It's big, no.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 19: And in fact, let me tell you, the largest car
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 19: club in southern California is called Great Autos of Yesteryear,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 19: and if you put the beginning letters of those together,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 19: it spells gay gay. So the largest car club in
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 19: southern California is a bunch.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 17: Of gay people.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 19: So just as you say this is not a hobby,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 19: that is just a bunch of And the Woodward Dream Cruise,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 19: like you said, there's a million people there, I mean
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 19: there's everybody there. And the car hobby has been growing,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 19: and it has been growing not just with you know, wealthy, white,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 19: privileged if you want to call them that, whatever, collectors
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 19: of cars from the brass Era or something. It's a
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 19: lot of everyday average people who have a In fact,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 19: there was a Wall Street Journal article about this last week,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 19: who have a nineteen you know, eighty nine Ford Taurus
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 19: and they love it to death and it cost them
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 19: two thousand dollars or three thousand dollars, and they tinker
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 19: with it on weekends and they.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 17: Drive it on the woodward car crews. There is no
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 17: there is no demography, if you.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 19: Will, to car collectors except perhaps the collector Gene and
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 19: the collector.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: If I had it, I would have my nineteen seventy
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: three Dodge Start Sport before the frame cracked. The t
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty miles. John Campbell will be back
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: after the break America. We're going to follow this path
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: where it leads us, which is to the heart of
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: America and why Mike Rogers is going to win.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned. Quarter back on to Hewitt.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Former Congressman John Campbell, also a retired car dealer, joins me.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Now he's an avid car enthusiast, classic car enthusiast John.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I want to be fair to Mason Presler. I want
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: to read exactly what he wrote at his ex account
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: at press for BC Mike Rogers campaign as the esthetics
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: of a nineteen sixties white flight suburb and a KKK crossburning. Now,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: mister Pressler describes himself as a twenty year old school
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: board member, sb DSA electoral chair Young Dems Michigan team
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Abdu Lsied, former youngest elected official in Michigan. Opinions are
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: my own. The LSI ed campaign, facing the blowback, said no, no, no,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: that's his own opinion. Why do you think a twenty
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: year old dummy would say something like this. I have
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: my theory, which is he's mistaken classic car culture for
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: billionaire car clubs.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: But what's your theory?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 19: Ooh, I'm not so sure it's that. I think it's
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 19: let's remember what this is really about. I've heard some
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 19: of the show earlier today and we were talking about
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 19: how the DSA wants the Constitution go away, hates America, etc.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 19: But almost the one thing that unites all of these
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 19: people on the far left and the left is they
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 19: despise American culture. And they want to replace our culture
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 19: with a new culture that they have been dreaming up
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 19: that that goes back to Eldridge Cleaver and Angela Davis,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 19: a culture that they started cooking up back.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 17: In the nineteen seventies.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 19: And as I know, you know Chris for Rufo, and
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 19: he has written a lot about this sort of thing.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 19: And so I think what it is is not so
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 19: much connecting the car or even the car collector, but
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 19: that it's that someone driving an old American pickup with
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 19: an American flag is a cultural thing. It's like John Wayne, right,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 19: It's like horses and pickup trucks and the wide open
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 19: planes and and that sort of thing that is fundamental
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 19: to American culture. And what they're saying is we reject
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 19: American culture and we are going to replace it with
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 19: a communeu an Islamo communist culture that we have created
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 19: that rejects not only Americana, but rejects Judeo Christian traditions.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 19: That's the other thing this is a huge pushback on.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 19: And of course American culture is founded in Judeo Christian
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 19: religion and Judeo Christian culture, and so oh, this is
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 19: in my opinion, that's what this is, and fundamentally that's
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 19: what they're all about. Not only do they want to
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 19: get rid of the Constitution, of the Supreme Court all
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 19: the rest of that, but they want to replace the culture.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: You know, it's very interesting, John, You didn't hear Michael
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Knowles and Noah Rothman before you. We were talking about
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: the DSA committee member who said, get rid of the constitution.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: That's our number one goal. We hate the constitution. And
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: yesterday I vive ready course that the young, the youngs.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: You've got kids and grandchildren. I've got kids and grandchildren.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: The youngs, which are between our grandchildren and our children,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: they don't know what we know and young DSA or
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: they don't know that this is a very unique country
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: and they're extraordinarily.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: Blessed to be living in it because of its uniqueness.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Do you think we can recapture that sense of wonder
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: at the gift with them?
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 17: Yeah, with that younger demogra.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people who are say fifteen to twenty five.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 19: Yeah, okay, another one. I mean, I have many favorite quotes,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 19: says do you. And one of Ronald Reagan's really great
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 19: ones I thought was it is not that my liberal
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 19: I think he used, which is a term that you
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 19: can't use for Democrats.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 17: Today they're totally illiberal.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 19: But for people on the left, was that it is
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 19: not that they are ignorant, it's that they know so
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 19: much that isn't so. And that's what's true with these
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 19: young people. It's not that they're ignorant, it's that they've
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 19: been taught a bunch of things that are not true.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 19: And I remember when some of this was beginning back
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 19: in Gosh, I think this was in the nineties. Sometime
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 19: I knew a high school history teacher in California. He
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 19: was a big Civil War buff as am I and
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 19: he said that they had just changed US history teaching
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 19: in California, that everything prior to the civil rights issue
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 19: was done in the first three weeks of the year,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 19: and everything and the rest of US history was stuff
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 19: that happened after that. In other words, ignoring the foundings
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 19: andnoring the fundamental foundations of how this country was built,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 19: of what it was built upon, and the things that
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 19: we must remember and carry forward if this country is
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 19: to continue into the future with a glorious future as
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 19: it has had a glorious past. So I think that
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 19: first they have to unlearn stuff they have been taught
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 19: about how bad they think this country is and so forth,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 19: and falsehoods about its founding, about its founders, and about
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 19: what we are and what.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 17: We've been in.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 19: And they have to unlearn things about other countries they've
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 19: been told that are wonderful that aren't.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: So are you an optimist about that? You've got kids
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: that went to the same school my kids went to.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: You were my congressman for fourteen years. For the benefit
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: of the audience, I met John in church. He was
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: singing behind me as a beautiful voice. And we've been
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: friends for thirty years. So we've had very similar cultural experiences,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: if not business. And you're a politician and a car
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: dealer and a talking head. But are you an optimist?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Two minutes?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 17: I am. I am an optimist because.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 19: Because a lot of what they've been taught and a
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 19: lot of what they think is not true. Once they
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 19: get out of the hallowed halls of the indoctrination facilities
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 19: that we used to call colleges and universities and they
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 19: move into the real world, they will be faced with reality.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 19: And reality is truth and it is not some obtuse,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 19: arbitrary philosophy. That they've been taught prior now. The one
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 19: thing is what we see now is a lot of
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 19: them saying, well.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 17: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 19: I deserve this, I'm entitled to this. I went to Columbia,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 19: you know whatever, and this is this is wrong. This
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  Speaker 19: is what's happening is not the way it should be.
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  Speaker 19: And that's why they're voting DSA and supporting DSA because
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  Speaker 19: DSA is coming to say, I'm going to give you
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  Speaker 19: that to which you have been taught or indoctrinated, that
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  Speaker 19: you are, that you are entitled to. But eventually, I
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  Speaker 19: think the real world will will come in and hit them.
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  Speaker 19: Plus they will they will be around other people who
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  Speaker 19: will succeed and will do things that will be happy.
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  Speaker 19: And they will be happy because they have a family, because.
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  Speaker 17: They have a real life, because they.
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  Speaker 19: Have a belief in God, because they understand that there
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  Speaker 19: is no better place on God's green earth, nor has
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  Speaker 19: there ever been a better place on God's green Earth
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  Speaker 19: than this one. And so I'm an optimist that will
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  Speaker 19: win this battle because we are on the side of
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  Speaker 19: the truth and they are not well said.
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  Speaker 1: As always, That's why John Campbell used to like to
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  Speaker 1: be my guest host. Then he got all retiring on
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  Speaker 1: me and he likes to look at the beach too
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  Speaker 1: much and do to classic car stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, John,