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Socialite-Turned-Pedo-Pimp: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial Commences · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Beautiful glossy hair, high heels,
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Speaker 1: cashmere outfit. What does that say to me? Gillaine Maxwell's
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Speaker 1: trial has commenced crime stories with Nancy Grace. Let's think
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Speaker 1: that through for a moment. Glossy hair, ladies out there,
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Speaker 1: you know what that means. You have one of those
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Speaker 1: treatments that makes your hair shine like it did when
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Speaker 1: you were a little girl, or you have what is
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Speaker 1: that Jackie has some kind of glycerins? What keratin? She says,
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Speaker 1: kraton spray on your hair, some kind of treatment. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that gets you ready for trial? High heels, gotta have heels, right,
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Speaker 1: gotta have on a very expensive cashmere outfit. This kind
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Speaker 1: of reminds me of, in a much lesser extent, to
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Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valo, who made lip gloss and blush
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Speaker 1: and for a court appearance and had her hair and
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Speaker 1: mermaid waves down her shoulders and had on bright blue
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Speaker 1: I think it was a blue toenail and fingernail polish
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Speaker 1: for court. And I remember Jodi Arius, who could forget
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Speaker 1: her she murdered her lover, Travis Alexander. I was more
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Speaker 1: worried about the twenty nine stabs and the cap to
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Speaker 1: the head. She was more worried about applying powder and
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Speaker 1: makeup for cameras. She also shot a bird at me
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Let's don't forget about that. That said,
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Speaker 1: I guess Elaine Maxwell is ready for battle with her
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Speaker 1: glossy hair, heels, Kashmier outfit, giggling, laughing and hugs with
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Speaker 1: her lawyers. But what's really going on in the Galaene
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Speaker 1: Maxwell trial. I want you to think back to when
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Speaker 1: you were thirteen, fourteen years old. I knew nothing. When
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Speaker 1: somebody first told me about a period, I thought they
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Speaker 1: were making it up. I'm like, that can't be real.
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Speaker 1: I knew absolutely nothing. These girls were sex trafficked, according
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Speaker 1: to them, so a billionaire pedophile could have sex with
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Speaker 1: them as they were giving him massages. Let that sink
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Speaker 1: in fourteen fourteen years old. To top it all off,
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Speaker 1: some of these girls, well all of them were underprivileged.
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Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily mean they didn't have enough to
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Speaker 1: eat or they didn't have a home. They were latch
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Speaker 1: key kids like I was. Many single parents had single
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Speaker 1: parents that worked during the day to support them. That
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Speaker 1: didn't know that instead of being at home after school
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Speaker 1: they were at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion getting raped. That's who
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Speaker 1: we're talking about. Just let that soak in for a moment.
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Speaker 1: And according to witnesses, Guillaine Maxwell, the millionaire socialite from
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Speaker 1: Great Britain with the beautiful accent, was the ring leader,
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Speaker 1: the one that organized it all at Jeffrey Epstein. That
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Speaker 1: is what this is about. It is not about the
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Speaker 1: glossy hair and the high heels and the cashmere outfit
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Speaker 1: which you know, setting her back a thousand bucks. That's
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Speaker 1: what this is about. Let's just don't forget that again.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You know, at times
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Speaker 1: in court it ain't pretty. It's upsetting, and you don't
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Speaker 1: want to think about it in your spare time. But
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Speaker 1: it is our duty to think about it and to
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Speaker 1: wrestle with the facts until we know the truth. I
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Speaker 1: want to go straight to Charlie Links to joining me.
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Speaker 1: She is the feemale editor for Dailymail dot Com. She's
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Speaker 1: been on the story from the very beginning. She has
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Speaker 1: been with me throughout our Guilene Maxwell special investigations, which
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Speaker 1: you can find at Fox Nation. Charlie, tell me what's
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Speaker 1: happening in court first, I want to get to Gilene
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Speaker 1: Maxwell and her appearance that she is so carefully orchestrated
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Tell me, well, it's very interesting to
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Speaker 1: me because in the lead up to her trial, Gelayne
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Speaker 1: was complaining that she was being assaulted and abused in jail.
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Speaker 1: She shared an image of herself with a bruise on
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Speaker 1: her face that she said she had been subjected to
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Speaker 1: while in prison. So it's very strange to me that
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Speaker 1: she would kind of put out this story about the
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Speaker 1: abuse that she was suffering in prison, but then turn
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Speaker 1: up to the court looking like a glossy heiress. Additionally,
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Speaker 1: her defense lawyers urged the jurors not to see her
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Speaker 1: wealth and her privilege as a crime. They said that
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Speaker 1: the jurors needed to put her privileged background out of
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Speaker 1: their minds. So for Gilaine to turn up with the
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Speaker 1: glossy hair, the high heels, the cashmere is a very
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Speaker 1: strange tactic to me, because surely the only thing that
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Speaker 1: the jurors are going to be thinking of is here's
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Speaker 1: this incredibly wealthy, put together lady who absolutely does not
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Speaker 1: look like someone who's being abused in prison. Charlie Langston,
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Speaker 1: you know how I respect everything that you say, and
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of you and daily mil of course,
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Speaker 1: So please don't take this the wrong way. Could you
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Speaker 1: just say Kashmir again, Kashmir cash when you say it
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Speaker 1: sounds even better than it really is. My daughter asked
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Speaker 1: me the other day, Mom, what's Kashmi. I'm like, don't
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Speaker 1: think about it. It costing, I just don't think about
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Speaker 1: enjoy your card and sweater and say no more. But
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Speaker 1: that's the thing, you know, I would think that if
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Speaker 1: one of her defense tactics is to try and stop
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Speaker 1: the jury from thinking of her as this privileged, wealthy woman,
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Speaker 1: they would have thought a little bit more clearly about
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Speaker 1: the image that she's going to put across in court.
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Speaker 1: But what this says to me is that she couldn't
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Speaker 1: wait to get rid of her prison outfit and put
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Speaker 1: on the wealthy clothes that she's so used to wearing.
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Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about it in a completely
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Speaker 1: different way, Charlie Langston, and what you're saying entirely makes sense.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about how people are many people are
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Speaker 1: obsessed with their looks when they should be focused on
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Speaker 1: something very very different. But you're making me see this
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Speaker 1: in a different way, and I think we're both correct
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Speaker 1: that this is the wrong image and compared to what
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Speaker 1: she claims she was going through in court, I find
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Speaker 1: that to be impossible because it's not showing at all
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Speaker 1: a shower and a hairdo. It's not going to fix
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Speaker 1: months and months of deprivation, which tells me months and
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Speaker 1: months of deprivation did not happen, and that was all
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Speaker 1: a lie to get out of jail, so she could
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Speaker 1: probably abscond. Guys, take a listen to our friend Martha
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Speaker 1: Kellner at Sky News. Our cut eight from dawn break
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Speaker 1: in New York. The queue two enter the Good Martial
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Speaker 1: Court House kept growing. There's only one case. They're interested
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Speaker 1: in the trial of Gillwell. To secure a seat inside,
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Speaker 1: they waited ours, the alleged victims of Jeffrey Epstein have
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Speaker 1: waited far longer than that. Mom, How are you feeling so?
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Speaker 1: Sarah Ransom says she never thought this day would come.
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Speaker 1: She claims Glenn Maxwell was the nuts and bolts of
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Speaker 1: a sex trafficking operation. It's here in New York where
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Speaker 1: Maxwell used her friendship with Prince Andrew to access America's
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Speaker 1: high society. It's here where her relationship with billionaire Epstein
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Speaker 1: began and it's here where she will face her alleged victims. Wow,
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Speaker 1: that really put it in a nutshell, so big, thank
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Speaker 1: you in Martha Kellner at Sky. But now take a
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Speaker 1: listen to ark at seven. This is Valerie Castro at CNBC.
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Speaker 1: Glenn Maxwell was present in the courtroom and walked in
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Speaker 1: without handcuffs, but was escorted by two marshals. Also in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom her sister Isabel, who came to show her support,
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Speaker 1: quickly making her way into the courthouse and ignoring any questions.
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Speaker 1: A woman named Sarah Ransom also arrived this morning for
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Speaker 1: the trial. She claims to be one of Epstein and
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Speaker 1: Maxwell's victims and is set to release a memoir entitled
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Speaker 1: Silence No More Surviving My Journey to Hell and Back.
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Speaker 1: She is not expected to testify. The first witness to
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Speaker 1: take the stand this afternoon was a pilot who testified
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Speaker 1: he was hired by Jeffrey Epstein to fly private planes.
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Speaker 1: His testimony is expected to continue tomorrow. This trial is
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Speaker 1: expected to last about six weeks, and it's still unclear
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Speaker 1: if Gallaine herself will take the stand in her own defense.
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Speaker 1: She has pleaded not guilty to all of the charges
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Speaker 1: in this case, but she does face life in prison
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Speaker 1: if convicted. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, well, so many
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Speaker 1: issues are scrolling right now that as a trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: I'm just ticking off in my head. Number one, what
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Speaker 1: Charlie Linkston brought up and we all knew earlier. Let
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Speaker 1: me jog your memory. As part of the Girard questionnaires, girars, yes,
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Speaker 1: fill out questionnaires in certain jurisdictions before they get to
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Speaker 1: the big panel, the panel of sixty to one hundred people.
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Speaker 1: From that is called down to twelve plus usually six alternates.
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Speaker 1: Would you hold it against they defendant if they have
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Speaker 1: an extravagant wealthy lifestyle. I don't know that I would
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Speaker 1: have asked that question, but they did, and now that's
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Speaker 1: in the girar's minds that she's walking around without handcuffs.
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Speaker 1: What that means is that, as our Constitution has been
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Speaker 1: interpreted by case law, a defendant is to be kept
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Speaker 1: from being seen by a jury in jailhouse clothes or shackled.
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Speaker 1: What did that mean to me? A lot of times
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Speaker 1: I would have defendants jump up on the morning and
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Speaker 1: trial and go, I don't have any clothes. I would
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Speaker 1: keep clothes in my office hanging there for a man
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Speaker 1: and a woman defendant in case they didn't have clothes,
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Speaker 1: and I just don't bring him down to the courtroom
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Speaker 1: and say, may not fit that great, but put it on.
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Speaker 1: We're going to trial. Also, will she or will she
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Speaker 1: not take the stand? Defendants always talk a big game
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Speaker 1: before the trial starts it they're going to take the stand.
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Speaker 1: Very rarely do they actually do it. With me and
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Speaker 1: All Star Panel. In addition to Charlie Langston from Dailymail
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Speaker 1: dot com, Jessica Pride is with a sex assault attorney
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Speaker 1: with the Pride Law Firm. You can find her at
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Speaker 1: Victim Lawyer dot com. Doctor Teresa Gill, PhD, Professors psychology
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Speaker 1: and psychotherapist, twenty five years working with abuse and trauma
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Speaker 1: victims and author of Women Who Were Sex Abused as Children,
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Speaker 1: Mothering Resilience, Protecting the Next Generation. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon and host of another brand new hit series on
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Speaker 1: iHeart Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. I want to
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Speaker 1: go to you, Jessica Pride, on the issues that we're
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Speaker 1: just bringing up her being escorted around the courthouse with guards,
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Speaker 1: but with no shackles, with no jailhouse outfit. What she
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Speaker 1: chose to wear. It's not a fashion question. It's an
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Speaker 1: impression that's being made on this jury. They are seeing
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Speaker 1: her for the first time. They saw her during for
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Speaker 1: a dire jury selection, which coincidentally is French for to
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Speaker 1: speak the truth. Now they're seeing her in court, and
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Speaker 1: this is the impression that she is making on them.
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Speaker 1: What about it, Jessica Pride, Well, it's interesting, irrespected what
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Speaker 1: we think about her guilt. We have to remember that
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Speaker 1: our judicial system is built on the principle of innocent
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Speaker 1: until proven guilty, and so that's the reason why she's
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Speaker 1: not walking around with handcuffs. They have to allow her
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Speaker 1: her opportunity, and in in dating court, the prosecutor house through
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Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt that she's guilty, and so until
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Speaker 1: then she gets to be in the courtroom without handcuffs.
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Speaker 1: We hope at the end she'll be leaving in handcuffs,
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Speaker 1: but until then her wrists are clean. Sort of any
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Speaker 1: Bengals or fancy outfit she feels she wants to wear.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was a smart decision. For her
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Speaker 1: counsel to put her in lavish clothing because I agree
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Speaker 1: with what you were talking about earlier. It goes against
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Speaker 1: this whole We should feel sorry for her. She's the
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Speaker 1: victim in this because the truth of what they're trying
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Speaker 1: to paint is that she's a scapegoat. She's not really
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Speaker 1: the perpetrator here with all Epstein, and everyone's just trying
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Speaker 1: to pin it on her because Epstein's dead. And I
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Speaker 1: don't think putting her out and fancy stuff takes away
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Speaker 1: from that attention or makes you feel sorry for her.
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Speaker 1: You know, I I was just drinking in everything that you said,
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Speaker 1: and I agree with everything that you said, and I
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Speaker 1: want to point out to everybody, I, of all people,
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Speaker 1: am not interested in fashion. Can we agree with that? Okay,
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Speaker 1: So that's not what we're talking about here. We are taught.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about trial strategy, which I care very deeply
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Speaker 1: about trial strategy and technique. Think about the Menendez brothers,
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Speaker 1: their thugs, But what do they wear in court? They
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Speaker 1: looked like they were one else at Harvard Law School.
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Speaker 1: Really they would address in this preppy outfit. Their lawyer,
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Speaker 1: who was a very good defense attorney at the time,
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Speaker 1: would preen on them and pet them, and rub their
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Speaker 1: bakes and pick lint off them and smooth their hair
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Speaker 1: in court to humanize them. It was all an act,
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Speaker 1: their outfit. It was a stage. The courtroom was a
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Speaker 1: stage and is a stage. And everything you say, everything
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Speaker 1: you do, how you look, how you stand, what you
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Speaker 1: wear matters in a court of law. Why because, whether
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Speaker 1: they realize it or not, jurars are drinking you in
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Speaker 1: and are forming opinions about you. They may not even
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Speaker 1: realize they're forming. Let me go to an expert in
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Speaker 1: this is doctor Teresa gil PhD, psychotherapist and professor of psychology.
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Speaker 1: Somebody and I'm going to remember who it was in
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Speaker 1: a minute said the first thing they noticed about a
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Speaker 1: person is their shoes. Okay, I never look at anybody's shoes,
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Speaker 1: but they say, if their shoes are well shined and
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Speaker 1: taken care of, then that says something about the person.
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Speaker 1: I would never dream to look down at somebody's shoes.
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Speaker 1: But the point I'm making is everything you do, whether
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Speaker 1: you look at the jury, whether you look down the
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Speaker 1: whole time, whether you laugh, whether you cry, they see
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Speaker 1: all that, and they unconscious I think, subconsciously form an opinion,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gil. That's true. They say within fifteen seconds people
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Speaker 1: can sum you up. But I also think in relationship
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Speaker 1: to what she chose to wear, her entire life has
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Speaker 1: been based on creating a persona of being affluent and
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Speaker 1: being seen and being visible. She was born to a
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Speaker 1: billionaire father, and some of her friends have said that
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Speaker 1: when her father passed and left no money, that that's
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Speaker 1: why she got involved with Epstein because he was another
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Speaker 1: billionaire that would be able to provide that lifestyle for her.
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Speaker 1: And I could actually see her lawyers saying, don't dress
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Speaker 1: like that, and her just refusing. Because how she presents
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Speaker 1: herself to the world I think is an intricate part
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Speaker 1: of who she is and that she's making a decision
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Speaker 1: even if it may not work for her. Who on
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Speaker 1: the panel remembers the minute? I agree with you, doctor Gil.
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Speaker 1: Who on the panel or in this room? Remember Lemnendez trial?
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Speaker 1: Both Kara and Jock, Yeah, I remember it. Do you
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Speaker 1: remember Joe Scott? Do you remember how they dressed? And
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get off the closure just a moment,
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Speaker 1: but you know, everything matters in court. Do you remember
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Speaker 1: that Joe Scott Morgan? Yeah? I remember one in particular,
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Speaker 1: had an affinity for crewneck sweaters in particular, and the
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Speaker 1: hair all trimmed up and finally polished an appearance, and
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Speaker 1: you know he met that appearance that you have, that
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Speaker 1: expectation that people that live out there would bring to bear.
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Speaker 1: I just thought of something. I can't believe one of
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Speaker 1: you didn't knock me over the head of this. I
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Speaker 1: even said the name Jodi Arius. Do you remember she
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Speaker 1: had always been a bottle blonde, not judging, not a
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Speaker 1: leg to stand on there, and very made up and
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Speaker 1: very sexy when she was dating Travis Alexander. Do you remember, guys,
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Speaker 1: anybody jumping If you do, remember that she actually had
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Speaker 1: her hair totally dark brown in a very dowdy ponytail,
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Speaker 1: and she dressed like a seventy year old librarian for trial.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, who's that? In defense table? Who that?
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Speaker 1: Who's that? Of course I knew it was Jodi Aris,
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Speaker 1: complete different look. It's like she transformed Kafka esque into
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Speaker 1: something completely different. And I'm talking, of course about metamorphosis,
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Speaker 1: where a guy turns into a roach, a giant roach.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, What exactly is happening in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom. Let's say Elisa cut six, this is a
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Speaker 1: Valerie Castro CNBC. After a morning of finalizing the jury,
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Speaker 1: the opening statements began this afternoon. The prosecution began by
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Speaker 1: telling the jury about one of the alleged victims in
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Speaker 1: this case, saying that she met Maxwell and Epstein at
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Speaker 1: a summer camp, calling the pair predators, and going on
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Speaker 1: to say, quote, this defendant was trafficking kids for sex.
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Speaker 1: That is what this trial is all about. The attorney
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Speaker 1: went on to outline the claims and told the jury
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Speaker 1: they will hear from the alleged victims as well as
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Speaker 1: see photos of massage tables where the alleged abuse took place,
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Speaker 1: as well as flight logs from private planes to prove
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Speaker 1: the girls were traffic to various locations. The defense started
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Speaker 1: out with a reference to Eve tempting Adam with an
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Speaker 1: apple and saying that ever since, women have been blamed
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Speaker 1: for things men have done. Maxwell's attorney went on to say, quote,
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Speaker 1: she is not Jeffrey Epstein. She is not anything like
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein is not on trial. Well, somebody niece
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Speaker 1: Gary Genesis again, because Eve also bit the apple. Wasn't
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Speaker 1: just Adam? So here we go. We're seeing what's happening
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Speaker 1: in court. Did I hear that correctly, Charlie Lankston, that
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Speaker 1: Gilline Maxwell actually met one of the alleged victims at
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Speaker 1: summer camp. Yes, so what they are saying is that
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Speaker 1: she and a gentleman turned up at this summer camp,
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Speaker 1: supposedly saying that they were there to donate money, and
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Speaker 1: that they then met this young girl. They're using the
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Speaker 1: pseudonym Jane in court because this victim wishes to remain unidentified.
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Speaker 1: And that was how Gelaine first formed a relationship with
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Speaker 1: this girl, and that was how she then allegedly introduced
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Speaker 1: her to Jeffrey Epstein, who is said to have been
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Speaker 1: groomed and molested this young girl. I need to take
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Speaker 1: in everything you said, because you got me drinking on
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Speaker 1: the fire hydrant too much, too fast. You know, I've
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Speaker 1: researched this case. I've spoken to many of the victims
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Speaker 1: past present that were not necessarily witnesses at this trial.
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Speaker 1: But this is the first time hearing that Gilaine Maxwell
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Speaker 1: actually met one of the victims at summer camp. Could
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Speaker 1: you tell me more about that scenario, like what summer camp,
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Speaker 1: how old was the victim. I know they were there
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Speaker 1: under the guys of donating money, but do you know
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Speaker 1: anything else? Well. In order to protect the anonymity of
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Speaker 1: this victim, they haven't yet revealed specific details about it.
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Speaker 1: But what the prosecution is saying, and the reason that
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Speaker 1: they are using this story is because they are trying
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Speaker 1: to prove that Gilaine not only was there when Epstein
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Speaker 1: was abusing these young women, but she went out and
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Speaker 1: recruited them. She went to all kinds of different locations
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Speaker 1: and targeted specific young girls who, as you said, often
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Speaker 1: came from very underprivileged backgrounds. The prosecution also says that
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Speaker 1: she would target the daughters of single mothers who were
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Speaker 1: therefore looking for a father figure in their lives. They
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Speaker 1: were missing a parent for whatever reason, and therefore, you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of we're yearning for a strong male figure in
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Speaker 1: their life. And that Gelayne was the one who was
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Speaker 1: sourcing these young women and then luring them in with
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Speaker 1: promises of money, of comfort, of family, of anything that
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Speaker 1: she thought would make them more eager to get to
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Speaker 1: know her and therefore get to know Epstein. So are
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Speaker 1: we going to have this victim understand the one that
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Speaker 1: Glayne Maxwell met at summer Camp. Yes, but three of
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Speaker 1: the four victims who will testify during the trial will
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Speaker 1: remain anonymous, so it's unlikely that we will really ever
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Speaker 1: know who exactly they are unless they choose to name themselves.
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Speaker 1: But this victim will likely go into much more detail
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Speaker 1: about how Gelayne approached her and how it went from
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Speaker 1: that first meeting at summer Camp to her being molested
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Speaker 1: by Epstein. Oh, I just feel sick about it, Jessica
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Speaker 1: Pride meeting a child victim at summer camp. And you know,
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Speaker 1: Gillaine Maxwell was trolling because if Epstein or whoever she
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Speaker 1: was with wanted to donate money, why does she need
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Speaker 1: to go meet the girls, the little girls that turned
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Speaker 1: into sex victims of Epstein's There's no reason. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't go and check the plumbing at the church
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Speaker 1: before I write a check. Okay. Why that had to
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Speaker 1: be the reason that she was there, Jessica, to troll
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Speaker 1: for victims. Sick. She was already starting the grooming process.
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Speaker 1: And when you're looking for victims, predators often looks for
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Speaker 1: vulnerable victims, and the grooming process in itself is a
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Speaker 1: process by which a predator pushes the boundaries of a
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Speaker 1: victim and test for their vulnerabilities. And so by finding
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Speaker 1: kids who didn't have parents or needed money or things
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Speaker 1: like that, she was seeing which she could get away with,
23:53
Speaker 1: and she was climbing them for him. It's going to
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Speaker 1: be really interesting in this trial because the decis lost
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Speaker 1: part of their motion regarding the expert Lisa Rostio, who
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Speaker 1: is a grooming expert, and I'm really interested in to
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Speaker 1: see her tape to stand because she can talk about
24:11
Speaker 1: what grooming is. However, what the judge isn't gonna let
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Speaker 1: her talk about, which I wish he would, is grooming
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Speaker 1: by proxy, because grooming by proxy is essentially grooming by
24:22
Speaker 1: a third party, and that's exactly what Jaslan did. She
24:26
Speaker 1: groomed these girls for epsteins to prey upon, you know.
24:31
Speaker 1: And I find it, as a trial issue almost impossible
24:37
Speaker 1: to believe that all of these then young girls have
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Speaker 1: the same general story about the same emo, motus operandi
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Speaker 1: method of operation, that the same trajectory of their assault,
24:52
Speaker 1: and these girls are separated by time and space, didn't
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Speaker 1: know each other. It's impossible in my mind that they're
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Speaker 1: all lying. Statistically astronomically impossible. Guys, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut one our France at Reuter's inside a Manhattan
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Speaker 1: federal courthouse closed off to video cameras. Jurors on Monday
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Speaker 1: heard opening statements in the criminal trial of Gillen Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's former employee, one time romantic partner, and alleged
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Speaker 1: sex crimes co conspirator, in the latest chapter in a
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Speaker 1: closely watched case that has captured the imaginations of people
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Speaker 1: around the world about the exploits of the rich and powerful,
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Speaker 1: and has at the same time inspired victims of sexual
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Speaker 1: abuse to speak out. On day one of the trial,
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Speaker 1: the prosecution told the jury that Maxwell and Epstein were
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Speaker 1: partners in crime, saying she quote prayed on vulnerable young girls,
25:52
Speaker 1: manipulated them, and served them up to be sexually abused
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Speaker 1: by the now deceased financier, which involved erotic massages that
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor said Maxwell was sometimes even in the room
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Speaker 1: for Maxwell's lawyers said the sex abuse charges against her
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Speaker 1: were for things Epstein did, and that the memories of
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Speaker 1: the accusers had been manipulated by lawyers who encouraged them
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Speaker 1: to sue for damages. Okay, I want you to hear this.
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Speaker 1: This really rubbed made the wrong way. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut for this is Alice Gaynor at CBS
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Speaker 1: two New York and that's not her delivery. It's what
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Speaker 1: she's saying and what it conjures up and what it
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Speaker 1: stands for. Listen. They likened him to a mysterious twenty
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Speaker 1: first century James Bond, with no wife, no children, and
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Speaker 1: no boss, a man who did not share all aspects
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Speaker 1: of his life and claim many people of all ages
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Speaker 1: used his private jets like a Hampton Jitney in the
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Speaker 1: air to go to places other than his properties. At trial,
26:52
Speaker 1: we are expected to hear from four alleged victims, their relatives,
26:55
Speaker 1: staff from his properties, including his private pilots, and also
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Speaker 1: law enforced witnesses to searches. The defense says they plan
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Speaker 1: to show the accusers memories were corrupted and manipulated by lawyers, media,
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Speaker 1: and money. Fifty nine year old Maxwell could be seen
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Speaker 1: whispering to her lawyers and taking and passing notes. She's
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Speaker 1: pleaded not guilty and has been in a Brooklyn jail
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Speaker 1: since her arrest in July twenty twenty. Oh Boo who
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Speaker 1: Charlie Lankson, who compared Epstein to a modern day James Bond.
27:24
Speaker 1: It was someone on Gielane Maxwell's defense team who came
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Speaker 1: up with that ludicrous comparison. And to be completely honest,
27:32
Speaker 1: I don't really understand what they're trying to do with it.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense in my opinion, and it
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Speaker 1: also doesn't really play into anything that's going on here.
27:44
Speaker 1: You know what, it's interesting that the defense sees Epstein
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Speaker 1: as a James Bond figure. I'm sure Daniel Craig will
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Speaker 1: be so happy to hear. He's been playing the part
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Speaker 1: of a billionaire pedophile all these years. But that's glamorizing
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Speaker 1: child rape. It's child rape the way we say assault.
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Speaker 1: It's child rape. A child the age of fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
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Speaker 1: in many jurisdictions does not have the ability to consent.
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Speaker 1: We don't let children by cars, enter into contracts, work
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Speaker 1: under our labor laws, by alcohol, by cigarettes, gamble for
28:28
Speaker 1: a reason, because they do not have the maturity, the
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Speaker 1: mental wherewithal to make that decision, much less to agree
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Speaker 1: to have sex with some old perv. No. So it
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Speaker 1: is under the law rape, it is child rape. And
28:50
Speaker 1: to compare him to James Bond, this glamorous figure who
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Speaker 1: is idolized who was put upon a pedestal, sends all
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Speaker 1: the wrong messages. Help me out, doctor gil I think
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Speaker 1: the message is purposeful because it helps to deny that
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Speaker 1: he was a perpetrator and a child molester. And James
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Speaker 1: Bond is kind of revered across the world as a movie,
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Speaker 1: you know, in the movies for decades, and it kind
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Speaker 1: of helps to bring Epstein up and diminish what happened
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Speaker 1: to these children. I guess it's miss Gilay Maxwell a
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Speaker 1: bond girl. Charlie Langston, she's a bond girl, right, but
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Speaker 1: it definitely Marry knows this well. But once again, it's
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Speaker 1: a very confusing tactic to me from the defense, because
29:41
Speaker 1: if you're telling the jury that you don't want them to,
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Speaker 1: you know, see the glamorous side of delay and Maxwell's life,
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Speaker 1: that you don't want her to be connected to the
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Speaker 1: wealth and mystery, as they're saying of Jeffrey Epstein, then
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Speaker 1: why on earth would you use a character who is
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Speaker 1: so well known for his glamorized image, which, as you said,
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Speaker 1: immediately conjures up the illusion that Geilayne Maxwell was some
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Speaker 1: kind of Bond girl. I mean, I think the truth
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Speaker 1: to me is that as soon as I hear the
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Speaker 1: James Bond comparison, I think of a James Bond villain,
30:16
Speaker 1: and I think of Geilne Maxwell as being the sidekick,
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Speaker 1: right hand woman to that villainy images in my mind.
30:24
Speaker 1: Do you remember the Bond girl? Was that ursula andres
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Speaker 1: that came out of the water and she had that Okay,
30:30
Speaker 1: Jackie's saying, yes, she had the dagger on her side. Okay,
30:34
Speaker 1: that image is up here. I can never get rid
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Speaker 1: of it. And when you say villain, I naturally think,
30:39
Speaker 1: do you remember the really tall guy named Jaws? And
30:42
Speaker 1: in Bond he had the metal teeth? I guess that. Okay,
30:46
Speaker 1: you know we're going way into James bondlore right now
30:49
Speaker 1: when I should be focused on what's happening in court.
30:53
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Uric at five, This is our friend,
30:56
Speaker 1: Mola Lenji at CBS, prosecutors portrayed GLA Maxwell as a
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Speaker 1: sexual predator who enticed teenage girls first by befriending them,
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Speaker 1: then serving them up to Jeffrey Epstein to be sexually abused,
31:09
Speaker 1: labeling Maxwell as Epstein's partner in crime. In her opening statement,
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor said, in at least one instance, they were
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Speaker 1: each more than double the age of their victim. The
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Speaker 1: government alleges Maxwell, now fifty nine, assisted, facilitated, and contributed
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Speaker 1: to crimes by Epstein by helping him recruit, groom and
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Speaker 1: abuse girls as young as fourteen. Today in court, the
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Speaker 1: prosecutor charged that Maxwell traded on the trust she earned
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Speaker 1: from the girls, even being in the room when Epstein
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Speaker 1: abused them, but defense attorney Bobby Sternham questioned the memories
31:39
Speaker 1: of Maxwell's accusers, portraying Maxwell as a government's scapegoat for
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Speaker 1: the real criminal, Epstein himself, and telling the jury Maxwell
31:47
Speaker 1: is a convenient stand in for the man who cannot
31:49
Speaker 1: be here. Did you hear that Dwayne Maxwell actually in
31:53
Speaker 1: the room standing by while her boyfriend Jeffrey EPs sane
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Speaker 1: sex molested these little girls? I think I hear Dodtor Guil?
32:04
Speaker 1: What Dodor Guil? I think the same. I've been doing
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Speaker 1: this for over thirty years and working with victims. Nothing
32:11
Speaker 1: really gets me frazzled or angry. But when I heard
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Speaker 1: how our lawyers were going to manage this in terms
32:20
Speaker 1: of telling that the victims stories are false memories and
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Speaker 1: that it's been too much time and because of media
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Speaker 1: reports and because of social media, that their memories have
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Speaker 1: been contaminated and swayed, and also then blaming the victims
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Speaker 1: saying that they would drug users, that they're doing this
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Speaker 1: for money, that they have histories of child sexual abuse
32:43
Speaker 1: and prostitution. It's the reason why there are hundreds of
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Speaker 1: victims related to Maxwell and Epstein and only a handful
32:52
Speaker 1: have come out, because what happens is the courts take
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Speaker 1: this and make the victim the perpetrator and the manipulation,
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Speaker 1: and that's how they're handling the defense of Maxwell Nancy.
33:07
Speaker 1: This is Jessica ride as a classics defense strategy that
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Speaker 1: they have been using it survivors for decades. It's blame
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Speaker 1: the victims. The victim is lying, the victim doesn't know
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Speaker 1: what they're talking about. But the statistics show that do
33:23
Speaker 1: you know what the average age of a child sex
33:26
Speaker 1: abuse survivor the age that they actually come forward and
33:29
Speaker 1: report fifty two? Fifty two years old is the average
33:35
Speaker 1: age that a victim finds the courage after years of
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Speaker 1: living with the abuse, that they are able to then
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Speaker 1: tell their story. We also know that statistics show that
33:45
Speaker 1: the average for false reporting is two to five percent,
33:50
Speaker 1: So depending on where you are at in the country
33:52
Speaker 1: two to five percent. That means most survivors are telling
33:56
Speaker 1: the truth. And there's no way that there's all these
33:59
Speaker 1: victims around the country who don't know each other that
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Speaker 1: are all telling the same lie. They are telling the truth,
34:07
Speaker 1: and their defense team is going to have a really
34:09
Speaker 1: hard job of trying to turn people around and try
34:14
Speaker 1: to see it their way, because they can answer hire
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Speaker 1: any fancy expert like Elizabeth Locus to try and come
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Speaker 1: in and say, oh, they have false memories. But what
34:23
Speaker 1: we know from her track record is she lost it
34:26
Speaker 1: in OJ's case, she lost it in Wayne Stein's case,
34:29
Speaker 1: and we're hoping she does a bad job in this
34:31
Speaker 1: case and that Maslows also convicted guilty time stories with
34:48
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. You know what, Joe Scott, it's very complicated
34:53
Speaker 1: why people never mentioned that they were molested as a child.
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Speaker 1: I mean, in this room, I've got three women. You
35:02
Speaker 1: don't have to say anything. But were you ever inappropriately
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Speaker 1: kissed or touched as a child? I was? I was.
35:11
Speaker 1: And you know who saved me, my fifth grade teacher,
35:14
Speaker 1: Katie Amison. Katie Amison, and it was right around Thanksgiving.
35:23
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. And I remember it like it
35:27
Speaker 1: was yesterday, like it was yesterday, And I just have
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Speaker 1: a hard time believing that these now women can't remember
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Speaker 1: what happened to them. What were you saying, just Scott, Yeah,
35:45
Speaker 1: the defense is doing this kind of shucking jive thing,
35:49
Speaker 1: the ropea dope, if you will, where they're trying to
35:52
Speaker 1: take their eyes off of what this really is. And
35:54
Speaker 1: Maxwell is nothing more than a pimp. And you and
35:56
Speaker 1: I have worked cases, Nancy, over the years that come
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Speaker 1: directly off of the streets. And what's really important to
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Speaker 1: me is this first witness that they've got on the stand,
36:05
Speaker 1: Larry Weiskoch Skockey I think is his name, who is
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Speaker 1: a pilot. Yes, we should get to the witness, I guess. So.
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Speaker 1: Now we've talked about the clothing and well, we can
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Speaker 1: learn a lot about what the prosecution is going to do.
36:17
Speaker 1: You simply based on this first witness, Nancy, think back
36:20
Speaker 1: to every case that you and I have ever worked
36:23
Speaker 1: relative to, say, for instance, a sexual assault case. If
36:26
Speaker 1: an individual has been conveyed somewhere, I don't care if
36:29
Speaker 1: it's a Gulf Stream jet or yellow cab. We get
36:33
Speaker 1: to the cabby, we get to the person that's driving
36:35
Speaker 1: that vehicle and say, okay, what were they doing when
36:38
Speaker 1: they got in your cab? Who were they with, what
36:40
Speaker 1: was their affect like, were they damaged in any way?
36:43
Speaker 1: Were they in harm? Were they in fear or were
36:45
Speaker 1: they happy when you last saw this guy that they've
36:49
Speaker 1: got on the stand. He is the person that conveyed Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: who is the pimp, and Epstein, who was, you know,
36:58
Speaker 1: the master of the universe for her. He conveyed them everywhere, Nancy.
37:03
Speaker 1: He's already stated that they went to Paris, they went
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Speaker 1: to Great Britain. Of course, they went to the Virgin Islands,
37:08
Speaker 1: and of course the mysterious ranch out in New Mexico.
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Speaker 1: He's flying all these people around and this is key
37:14
Speaker 1: because he's going to talk about I think he's continuing
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Speaker 1: on with his testimony. He's going to talk about who
37:19
Speaker 1: was on that plane and what their purpose was. You know,
37:22
Speaker 1: this isn't a yellow cab, this is a plane. They
37:24
Speaker 1: have to file flight logs, they have to talk about
37:26
Speaker 1: where they're going, and they have to say who's on
37:29
Speaker 1: the plane. And you're right, we're going to find out,
37:32
Speaker 1: I believe. Charlie Langston, editor at dailymail dot Com, based
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Speaker 1: on the state's first witness, who was a pilot that
37:41
Speaker 1: flew Epstein around. And again this is not about Epstein,
37:45
Speaker 1: this is about Glenn Maxwell, who my understanding, Charlie will
37:49
Speaker 1: testify that Galte Maxwell organized the trips, the flights where
37:55
Speaker 1: from such as Titterborough and New York, the private airport
38:00
Speaker 1: to where and who would be on the flies. So
38:03
Speaker 1: for her to say, Wow, I didn't know there were
38:05
Speaker 1: any little girls on the fly Epstein, It's totally impossible.
38:08
Speaker 1: And is that the gist of the first witness, Charlie, Yes,
38:11
Speaker 1: because you know, as we've said, this man flew Epstein.
38:15
Speaker 1: He said he would fly him every four days or so.
38:18
Speaker 1: This Epstein was on the plane which was nicknamed the
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Speaker 1: Lolita Express because it was said to have been used
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Speaker 1: to transport young women so frequently. If this pilot can
38:30
Speaker 1: kick off the prosecution's case by saying I was on
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Speaker 1: a plane with Geilaane Maxwell, Epstein and a young girl
38:38
Speaker 1: or several young girls who were brought onto the plane
38:41
Speaker 1: by Maxwell, that immediately shows a connection not only between
38:47
Speaker 1: Guilaye Epstein and these young women, but also that Guilaine
38:50
Speaker 1: was the one who was organizing for these young victims
38:53
Speaker 1: to be on the plane with Epstein. You know, how
38:56
Speaker 1: can you load up a plane with your boyfriend, a
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Speaker 1: private plane and a bunch of little girls. And I
39:03
Speaker 1: think something is way wrong with this picture. I mean,
39:08
Speaker 1: how could she do that and yet claim she didn't
39:12
Speaker 1: know what was going on? What about it, doctor Gil Well,
39:16
Speaker 1: she didn't know what was going on. In fact, her
39:19
Speaker 1: victims say she was the mastermind of it all. I
39:22
Speaker 1: think what's also interesting about taking the victims to different
39:26
Speaker 1: parts of the country. One of the victims was sixteen,
39:30
Speaker 1: and because it was the abuse occurred in New Mexico,
39:33
Speaker 1: sixteen was a legal age and hussing might be thrown
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Speaker 1: out because of that. Another girl was seventeen, and because
39:40
Speaker 1: in New York seventeen was a legal age, it means
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Speaker 1: that it wasn't sexual saut You're right, You're absolutely right.
39:48
Speaker 1: What about it, Charlie Likeston, I mean, in my mind,
39:52
Speaker 1: I think you know, Virginia Roberts said it from the
39:55
Speaker 1: get go. She will not be testifying during this trial,
39:58
Speaker 1: but she said original that Jeffrey Epstein may have been
40:03
Speaker 1: the pedophile, but Gelaye Maxwell was the mastermind behind everything
40:08
Speaker 1: that he did. And I think if the prosecution can
40:11
Speaker 1: get the pilot to say from the off that they
40:14
Speaker 1: have evidence of that, you know, kind of masterminding going on,
40:19
Speaker 1: then I really don't know how Gilayne's defense will have
40:21
Speaker 1: a leg to stand on, because even if they try
40:24
Speaker 1: and prove that these victims memories are false or warped
40:28
Speaker 1: or whatever they're going to try and say, if we
40:30
Speaker 1: have someone on the stand saying, well, I saw Gilaine
40:33
Speaker 1: bringing these young women onto the plane where we know
40:37
Speaker 1: Epstein abused them, then it doesn't really matter if they
40:40
Speaker 1: prove that the victims memories are false, because you have
40:43
Speaker 1: someone else who was of age at the time who
40:46
Speaker 1: remembers it very clearly. Well, you're brilliant at yeah. I
40:51
Speaker 1: think one more salient point here is that these state
40:54
Speaker 1: statutes are not going to apply. This is a federal case.
40:57
Speaker 1: They're prosecuting this under the manner which you know, it
41:01
Speaker 1: states that you cannot transport a woman across state lines
41:06
Speaker 1: for the purposes of sexual activity, and that's what he
41:09
Speaker 1: was engaged in. Now, he may have procured them in
41:12
Speaker 1: some place, say where abusing a sixteen year old is
41:16
Speaker 1: against the law, but he's transporting her to another place
41:19
Speaker 1: where it's not. That's immaterial here because the purpose is
41:23
Speaker 1: to get them there in order to facilitate this. The
41:27
Speaker 1: federal law is going to trump any kind of state
41:29
Speaker 1: statute in my opinion. Of course, I'm not an attorney.
41:32
Speaker 1: You are, but that's why this is being prosecuted in
41:34
Speaker 1: federal court. Guys, take a listen to our cut two.
41:37
Speaker 1: This is not a topic from our colleagues at the BBC.
41:42
Speaker 1: Over the next few weeks, what plays out in this
41:44
Speaker 1: New York court house will be a crucial chapter in
41:46
Speaker 1: the twisted saga of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ring and
41:50
Speaker 1: Galene Maxwell's alleged role in it. As her highly awaited
41:56
Speaker 1: trial began, the world's eyes were trained on what the
41:58
Speaker 1: evidence presented here would reveal, and so too were Epstein's accusers.
42:03
Speaker 1: Some arrived to show solidarity with the alleged victims. In
42:07
Speaker 1: opening statements, the government said Glen Maxwell was a dangerous
42:11
Speaker 1: predator who provided a cover of respectability for Epstein. Prosecutors
42:15
Speaker 1: said she lured victims with a promise of a bright future,
42:18
Speaker 1: only to sexually abuse them. Her defense attorney told the
42:22
Speaker 1: jury she was a convenient stand in for Epstein and
42:24
Speaker 1: that the government would not be able to prove their case.
42:27
Speaker 1: He said the accusers memories were corrupted and influenced by
42:30
Speaker 1: a desire for a big jackpot of money. Do you
42:36
Speaker 1: think the jury is going to buy that? The victims
42:40
Speaker 1: are only saying this so they can get a payoff
42:43
Speaker 1: of some sort. This is Jessica. I've represented hundreds and
42:47
Speaker 1: hundreds of survivors over the last fifteen years, and the
42:51
Speaker 1: one constant between all survivors is it's not about the
42:55
Speaker 1: money for them, It's about justice. It's about being heard.
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Speaker 1: We wait as just as sun falls, Nancy Grace comes story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend.