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UnchainedTV: Every Dog Parent Needs to Listen to This! · UNCHAINEDTV'S Truth Files with Jane Velez-Mitchell

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In the form of a brand new study
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that has just come out, and you are
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actually going to meet the people who did
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the study, the two veterinarians, as well as
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the head of V-Dog, which was the
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dog food used in the study.
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So this question, can dogs thrive on a
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plant-based diet?
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Unchained TV is streaming the hit new movie,
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By That Name, where you will find the
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answer, you've got to check it out.
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Now, here's why it's important.
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If all dogs and cats in the U
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.S. populated their own country, they'd be the
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fifth largest meat-eating country in the world.
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And now our pets are suffering some of
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the same diet-related ailments their human companions
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experience.
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Well, now we're going to get the lowdown
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from Darren Middlesworth, the head of V-Dog,
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which is the vegan dog food that was
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used in the study, featured in this short
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film.
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Plus, you're going to meet two veterinarians who
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actually ran the study, Dr. Tona Melgarejo and
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Dr. Anika Linda.
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Produced in conjunction with the Oceananic Preservation Society,
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this movie is directed by Luis Sai Hoyos,
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who is famous for bringing us The Cove,
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Racing Extinction, The Game Changers, You Are What
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You Eat, A Twin Experiment, and other blockbuster
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films.
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So I am so excited to talk to
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the veterinarians who ran the study.
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This is information every single dog parent needs
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to learn and understand and process.
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So without further ado, I would like to
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go out to Dr. Tona Melgarejo of Western
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University, who led this study.
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You're looking at video from the actual mini
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-doc about this study.
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Tell us, why is this study so very
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important to our world, Dr. Tona?
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Thank you so much for the invitation, Jane.
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When we decided to pursue this study, looked
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at the big picture, not just the health
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of your friends, your furry friends.
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That is very, very important.
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But also, we looked at the planetary health.
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And when we're looking into that also, the
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guardians, and I don't like to say owners,
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because we don't own these beautiful souls.
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We just guard them.
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We just help them to strive.
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So we looked at this three-piece equation,
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and we decided to actually test something that
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it has been going on for decades of
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our education.
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Dogs are carnivores.
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Dogs are carnivores.
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And we knew, and I, as an internal
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medicine person, I prescribe food as medicine, and
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I have seen amazing results.
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So this was just to start.
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Can dog leaves, clinically healthy dogs live on
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a plant-based diet?
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And we got our answer.
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And the answer is yes.
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And that is so important because the truth
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is that, as we have mentioned, if U
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.S. dogs and cats were their own country,
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they would be the fifth largest meat-eating
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country in the world.
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There's China, there's the United States, there's Russia.
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And let's listen to a clip from the
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movie that breaks this down.
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Absolutely fascinating movie.
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And again, you can watch it on Unchained
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Television.
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It is streaming.
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That's Unchained TV right there behind me.
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And it's fascinating.
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We have about 91 million dogs living in
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the United States.
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Most of these dogs are eating a meat
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-based diet.
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The amount of meat that we use for
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dogs and cats, it's equivalent to the meat
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consumption in the country of Italy.
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And if all dogs and cats in the
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U.S. had their own country, they would
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be the fifth largest meat-eating country in
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the world.
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Oh, wow.
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Well, let me say this.
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I was just joined.
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Come here, come here, come here.
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Guess who decided that she wanted to come
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up and be part of this show?
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My little dog Wednesday, who is thriving on
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a plant-based diet.
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And the diet that she is thriving on
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is very similar to the diet featured in
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the film, V-Dog.
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And we are so delighted today to have
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the founder and the president of V-Dog
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on, Darren Middlesworth, who is seen there with
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his mother, Linda, who is really a force
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of nature in the vegan movement.
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So, Darren, welcome.
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Why was it so important to have V
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-Dog featured in this study and in this
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film?
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Thank you so much, Jane, for having me
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on.
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And also, thank you to Dr. Mel Guarao
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and Dr. Linda for allowing V-Dog to
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participate in this study in the beginning.
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It was something that came about many, many
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years ago, and to see it come to
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fruition is just really amazing.
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It's important for us as a company, as
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a brand, to have the science backing up
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some of the anecdotal evidence that we've seen
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over the years and witnessed over the years
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with dogs improving various health conditions and hypoallergenic
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conditions.
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So, it's a terrific opportunity for us, and
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it's really validating and helping us really explain,
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from a scientific perspective, things that we have
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known and have witnessed and watched happen, but
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not really to see these biomarkers coming in
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favourably and presented in such an organised, well
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-done study.
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So, again, when we started this 20 years
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ago, in 2005, it was more on hunch
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and intuition that this might be a viable
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option for dogs, a plant-based option for
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canine health.
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And so, it's really exciting for us to
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see it come full circle and be here
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today.
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Well, I could tell you that this little
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girl, Wednesday, loves her V-Dog.
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I'm not doing a commercial for V-Dog.
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They just happen to love V-Dog and
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eat all the treats and the kibble.
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But I'm wondering, in terms of nationally, let's
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not even do global, nationally, is the vegan
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dog food space growing, or is it something
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that is just really extraordinarily rare?
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I'll go ahead and step in on that.
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What we find happening is awareness is growing.
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It's also a trickle-down effect from the
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greater plant-based movement on the human product
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side and the shift towards plant-based thinking
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in terms of the environmental impacts of our
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dietary choices.
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And that can be extended to your dogs
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and canine companions.
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So, we're excited to have, again, as an
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option.
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Some dogs may do better on different formulas
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and different types of diets, but we are
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finding terrific success with the dogs that are
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on our plant-based formulas.
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And so, let me ask you a follow
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-up.
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Is it growing?
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Is your company growing?
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We are growing.
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We're excited to still be here.
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COVID was a challenging time period from a
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supply chain perspective.
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And I know some of the other plant
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-based pet food companies globally and in the
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U.S. have taken a difficult turn during
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those times.
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And so, it's made it challenging in the
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big scheme of things.
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And I won't get too political here.
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There are, you know, most of the dog
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food companies are owned by very large corporations,
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conglomerate-type products that are, you know, largely
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or entirely meat-based.
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And some of them do have plant-based
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spin-offs, which are competitors with us.
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So, because of their large volumes and their
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supply chain connections and manufacturing connections in the
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big food of pet world, pet production, pet
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manufacturing, it makes it very challenging for smaller
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players to be able to realise margins that
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are sustainable in the market.
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But we have, over the 20 years, we
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have developed some very interesting and important pet
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food industry connections, which are allowing us to
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open doors and allowing us to access supply
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chain and manufacturing opportunities that we otherwise had
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not access to in the past.
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And so, we're excited about 2025 and some
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of our new product pipeline products coming out.
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Well, I will say that while it's very
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easy to get V-Dog products, which I
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order on Amazon, to be honest, it's very
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hard to find some of the other products
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of like wet dog food.
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When I ran out, literally, I was like,
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where in Southern California can I get this
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vegan wet dog food?
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And so, it's a real challenge distribution.
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I think V-Dog is doing a great
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job getting out there and making it very
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accessible, not just your kibble, but also all
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of your treats.
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So, I want to give you a shout
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out for that.
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Just as a dog parent, dog guardian of
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two vegan dogs, it's pretty easy to get
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your products.
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So, check it out.
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Now, what I thought was really interesting about
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this entire subject is that at its core
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was kind of an observation that Dr. Tona
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made and it was just something like, isn't
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this interesting?
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And it turned out to spawn this entire
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study and the possibility of a new industry
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that is a heck of a lot more
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sustainable and more compassionate.
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I have travelled to some developing countries in
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Africa, Asia, and Latin America, and I was
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surprised that in some of these countries, dogs
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don't even eat meat or dairy because they
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don't have the money and the dogs are
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perfectly fine.
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They're healthy.
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So, we wanted to answer the very basic
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question.
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What happens when you take a clinically healthy
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dog and you feed that dog a vegan
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diet?
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All right.
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Well, we found out Dr. Anika Linde is
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also a veterinarian who was involved in this
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study.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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First of all, let's talk about the myth
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and the constant drumbeat that we all get
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that dogs need meat.
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I mean, it seems like every time a
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commercial about dog food comes up, that's what
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they're hammering home, but is it true?
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So, again, thank you.
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It's a great question, Jane.
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So, I think it shows the power that
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marketing has, right?
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And we all know that you're being told
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a lot when it comes to the commercial
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space and we need this, we need that,
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and you saw it with people as well,
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with the whole campaigns with milk as well,
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and we know that couldn't be further from
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the truth.
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So, dogs need specific nutrients.
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They don't need specific ingredients, and I think
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that's the best way of really putting it.
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So, as long as you have, as we
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have already indicated with the study, as we
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have said several times in this conversation and
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prior conversations, it's really about having nutritionally complete
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type of nutritional framework.
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So, it is not about having the specific
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ingredients in it.
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So, dogs can most certainly thrive without consuming
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animal-derived products.
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That's a very long story short.
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So, and that's what we showed with this
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study and further studies to come as well
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as we're moving forward.
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Well, Dr. Linda, tell us a little bit
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more about how the study was conducted.
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How many dogs?
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We know that it was V-dog.
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Was it just kibble?
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You know, just give us the details on
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this study.
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Sure.
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The very, very brief version that we had
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here is that dogs, they served effectively as
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their own control.
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So, you had, again, clinically healthy domestic companion
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dogs, as we're seeing in this short film,
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and we're seeing the scenes right now.
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So, these dogs living in typical average households
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and being fed from the prior diet, which
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had been meat-based and then being switched
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onto a plant-based, complete, nutritionally complete kibble,
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the plant-based formula that we already discussed.
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And we have in the study, of course,
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indicated the nutritional profile as well, making sure
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that it was nutritionally complete.
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We had that conducted by a third-party
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laboratory to make sure that what you see
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on the bag is actually what is in
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the food.
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So, for this particular study that we have
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referenced, we have a kibble.
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We have other studies ongoing that have been
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both in the past and in parallel as
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well moving forward.
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Of course, the interest is what about if
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we're moving towards the wet food type of
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plant-based nutrition.
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So, there's a lot of work that still
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needs to be done.
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And again, as we very well know, all
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of this clinical research, it requires a significant
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type of research support.
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So, that is ultimately the, you could say,
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limitation as we're moving forward.
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Well, there's a Western University where the study
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was conducted.
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Very fascinating.
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I want to get into the nitty-gritty
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because it really, to me, boils down what
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types of vegetables can dogs eat.
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I recently found out, for example, my Wednesday,
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who you just saw, is allergic to apples.
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She was scratching like crazy.
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I had a test done, and then I
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found that, oh, some of the stuff I
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was feeding her had apples in it.
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I removed that, and she stopped scratching.
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So, Dr. Malgorejo, can you break down the
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actual products that were fed, the actual ingredients,
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and weigh in on what types of vegetables
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are good for dogs?
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Well, that's a very interesting question and a
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very broad question.
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What I can tell you is what is
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not good for dogs.
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Because every time I travel, and I have
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been very fortunate to travel in more than
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40 different countries, the legumes are different, the
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fruits are different, the grains, et cetera, the
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cereal is different, and all dogs tend to
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live a healthy life.
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So, when you're talking about dogs, I think
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one thing that you need to avoid is,
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for example, grapes, raisins, anything in that family
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is toxic for dogs.
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And onion, garlic is borderline.
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These things are to be avoided.
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And then you are going, after that, to
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an area that is huge, and it's very
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dog-dependent that is called idiosyncrasy.
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Your dog was allergic to apples.
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I have seen dogs in Italy, in Uruguay,
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that they eat apples like there's no tomorrow,
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and they're perfectly fine.
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So, I think you need to be very
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observant with what you give to your dog.
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But that is going to be variable as
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humans.
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I may be allergic to peanuts, or some
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people may not.
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So, I think it's avoiding the foods that
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we know that they are toxic, rather than
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recommending something.
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I'm going to give you an anecdote.
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When I was in Indonesia, I was working
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with Komodo Dragons, and I stopped by in
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one of the cities in Indonesia, and then
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I talked to a breeder, and he had
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beautiful, beautiful dogs, and showed dogs.
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And he told me, the only thing I
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feed my dog is dried alfalfa that is
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pretty much chopped to little tiny pieces, and
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boiled lentils and potatoes.
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That's it.
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From pregnant dogs, to puppies, to elderly dogs.
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That was an anecdote, but I'm just going
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to tell you how variable is the diets
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around the world.
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So, I think in the time that we
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have, this is as much as I can
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tell you, Jane.
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One thing that is important is that people
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say, yes, but vegan diets, they don't have
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L-carnitine.
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They don't have taurine, and they don't have
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the meat.
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And that is really misinformation.
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All meat-based diets that are commercially available
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in the Western world, they are supplemented with
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L-carnitine and taurine, because the amount of
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carnitine and taurine, it's very variable.
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It's impossible to know.
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So, other companies that use meat-based diets,
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they supplement L-carnitine and taurine.
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Well, the vegan industry, they supplement L-carnitine
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and taurine, and they are synthetic molecules that
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are actually added to that.
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So, when people think about meat-based, they
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think about a big steak.
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And the truth is that it's meat meals.
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And meat meals is everything that humans don't
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consume.
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Tendons and viscera and all these things, they
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actually process that, and they make it a
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meal.
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They put some colourants, flavour enhancers, and that's
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the meat.
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So, of course not.
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We need to make sure that it's a
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well-balanced diet.
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The carnitine and the taurine is important, but
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the other vitamins and minerals that they need
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to be present too.
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And I'd like to introduce you to another
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vegan dog.
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This is Sunday.
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And guess what?
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Not only does she like the vegan kibble,
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but she has gotten halfway through.
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You can recognise this, right, Darren?
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Yeah.
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These are the V-dog.
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What are the official names of these?
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Breastbones.
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They're a dental housing dog.
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And these are the chewies that she just
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absolutely loves.
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But you raise a very important question, Dr.
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Tona, with people constantly going on and on
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about dogs needing meat.
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They're carnivores.
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A, that's not true, as your study proved.
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But B, they do not talk about the
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health problems created by eating meat.
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So let's play a clip from the film
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and discuss that on the other side.
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We are seeing dogs with similar health problems
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as people have on a diet that is
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heavy on animal products, like obesity and certain
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cancers.
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There are many toxins that can affect the
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meat that's used to make dog food.
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So if we were to look at substances
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like lead, from decades of automotive exhaust that
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have polluted the ground near highways and roads,
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most of that partitions into organs like the
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liver.
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And for pet food in particular, we often
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use those organ meats as part of the
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food that we're putting together for them.
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And once again, what you're watching is a
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clip from the film, Can Dogs Thrive on
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a Plant-Based Diet?
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It is streaming on Unchained TV, which is
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right behind me, or you can also watch
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it on your phone.
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In fact, you can download Unchained TV for
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free.
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Just go to your app store and download
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it, and you can have access to that
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film immediately, as well as the video that
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we're conducting right now.
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So break it down, Dr. Linda, a little
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bit more in terms of the health problems
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that can be caused by dogs eating a
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meat-centric diet.
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Yeah, I think that's another great and important
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question, Jane.
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So I think what you, in a short
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period of time, probably benefit the most from
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is really thinking about the pattern and the
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distribution of diseases and what we're seeing of
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diseases in the clinical space compared to what
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was known years ago.
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And I think if you are thinking about
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companion dogs, and you're thinking about how much
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of parallels you can see between the disease
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burden in people and what you're seeing in
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dogs, of course, there are some important differences
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with regard to cardiovascular health.
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But nevertheless, if you're looking at major burdens
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of diseases, and you're thinking about what we
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saw in the short film as well.
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So the obesity epidemic, for sure, we're seeing
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with our domestic dogs.
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We see some of the same endocrinopathy.
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So we're seeing some of the same similar
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types of cancers as well.
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So we are seeing burdens of diseases that,
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for sure, is reflected in the fact that
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you have a nutritional framework or dietary frameworks
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that just look very different than in the
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past.
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You're seeing dogs that are not kept at
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healthy weight.
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You're seeing dogs that, as Dr. Maldonado was
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pointing out, and maybe he wants to comment
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on further, but that they are consuming these
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meat-based ingredients, animal-derived ingredients that are
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very far from being healthy and certainly not
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promoting a situation where dogs can thrive.
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And once you subtract those, and you are
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focussing on types of diets that are plant
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-based, and they are nutritionally complete for dogs,
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then you just have a much better situation.
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And you can have a number of different
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benefits, both with regard to physical health and
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realistically forthcoming studies as we're moving forward.
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Again, we need to have all of this
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being evidence-based.
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So in, you can say, sort of a
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larger framework, you really want to also study
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these types of diets in comparison for various
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types of diseases to really get more specific
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data.
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But that's a summary.
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Now having two vegan dogs, and sometimes they
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do have to go to the vet for
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whatever reason, even if it's to have their
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nails clipped, the veterinarians are often very hostile
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or eye-rolling when it comes to my
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explanation of my dogs are vegan.
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Not always, but it happens.
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Where are we in the veterinarian community with
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this issue?
22:58
Are you getting pushback?
23:00
Because first of all, I want to point
23:02
out, and this is really important, is this
23:04
just wasn't some study that they did off
23:06
the top of their heads.
23:07
And it has been published in a respected
23:10
journal, and you can go and read it.
23:14
PLOS One.
23:15
I Googled it.
23:16
The report came right up, and I didn't
23:19
include it because it's a very long link,
23:21
but you can just Google PLOS One, plus
23:25
one, vegan dog food study.
23:26
It comes right up, and it says right
23:28
in the headline, domestic dogs maintain clinical, nutritional,
23:32
and haematological health outcomes when fed a commercial
23:35
plant-based diet for a year.
23:37
And you can see Dr. Tona Malgarejo and
23:40
Dr. Annika Linda's names in there.
23:42
So that gives it credibility.
23:44
It's not just two veterinarians saying that this
23:47
was a study, an official study done and
23:49
published in a respected journal.
23:51
That means a lot.
23:53
Are you taking this message to other veterinarians,
23:56
Dr. Tona?
23:59
Of course we are, but it's very important
24:01
what you said, Jane, and I am known
24:05
to be very clear and transparent, and I
24:08
can tell you this study was pretty much
24:11
a miracle to finish it.
24:12
It was right in the middle of COVID,
24:15
and what was very concerning but expected is
24:18
that the former administration from my university told
24:21
me to stop the study.
24:24
One of the administrators told me, you're putting
24:27
me in a bad spot.
24:29
We get funding from these meat-based companies,
24:32
and what you're doing is not good.
24:34
Dogs are carnivores, and he wants me to
24:37
stop.
24:38
Of course, I am a tenured professor, and
24:40
I said, this is science, and you're not
24:42
going to dictate what to tell, what to
24:44
do.
24:45
So I continue, and we were punished in
24:48
different ways, but we continue, and we finish
24:51
the study.
24:52
The situation is that probably the majority, 90
24:56
plus percent of veterinarians are not aware that
24:59
the dog is one of the greatest omnivore
25:02
species on earth, and they are just repeating
25:06
things that they have heard.
25:08
But there are papers published by universities as
25:12
reputable as Harvard, MIT, Stanford, where they actually
25:17
show that the dog is an omnivore, and
25:20
they present cellular and molecular evidence that actually
25:24
the dogs pleaded almost 30,000 years ago
25:27
from the wolf, and dogs are incredible digesters
25:30
of carbohydrates, and the wolves are not.
25:33
So it is really a big push, and
25:37
it's a big push when we go to
25:38
conferences, when we talk to people, but as
25:41
I told my students, the way that you
25:44
need to deal with that is evidence.
25:46
We have the paper, read the paper, and
25:48
present the evidence that what I did is
25:50
wrong.
25:51
This kind of science is difficult, Jane, because
25:54
it's extremely expensive.
25:56
One of the comments from people that are
25:59
not very well versed in clinical research is,
26:03
it's a small study.
26:04
You know, every time we take a sample
26:07
and we analyse absolutely everything that we need
26:10
to analyse to make sure that the dog
26:11
is healthy, it costs us about $1,500
26:14
a sample.
26:15
So just multiply the number of samples, the
26:18
number of dogs.
26:19
This very small study was in the round
26:23
of $250,000, $300,000.
26:25
So it is easy to move forward to
26:28
that.
26:28
So we are asking the community to keep
26:31
helping us.
26:31
We didn't take a penny from the company
26:35
that we used the food for, because that's
26:38
a conflict of interest.
26:39
And when we got the results as an
26:43
academician, you need to have the freedom to
26:45
say this is the way it is.
26:47
We present bad data, wrong data, good data.
26:51
Fortunately, it was good data, but we are
26:54
here to make science, not to please corporates
26:58
to say, okay, you can sponsor us.
27:00
So even to the company that we use,
27:03
we paid every single pound of food because
27:07
we didn't want to receive a penny because,
27:09
oh, you're working for this, you're working for
27:11
that.
27:11
So right now there are studies in puppies.
27:13
We are doing studies in the blue zones
27:16
with different dogs and longevity, and these studies
27:19
are very expensive.
27:20
So we are asking you through your amazing
27:23
community to please help us because the federal
27:26
government is not going to give us money.
27:28
The big companies that are billion dollar companies,
27:31
they will never give us money.
27:33
State money is never going to come to
27:35
us.
27:35
So this study was done thanks to people
27:40
like you that I remember you donated some
27:44
money and amazing people in Los Angeles, people
27:47
overseas, they came together and they in crowd
27:50
funding, they were able to actually do that.
27:53
But the studies that are coming are more
27:54
expensive, half a million, a million dollars.
27:57
So if we want to advance this, it
27:59
is imperative that the community gets involved.
28:03
We don't take a penny from any company
28:06
and we are not going to be told
28:08
what to do at the university because this
28:10
is where knowledge is born.
28:12
If we don't create this knowledge, no one
28:14
in the world is going to do it.
28:17
So we need your help.
28:19
Well, Dr. Tona, and that's I call you,
28:22
Dr. Tona Malgarejo, Dr. Malgarejo.
28:26
I know that this took a long time
28:29
and I was there at the beginning when
28:30
you were just having Zoom meetings with people
28:33
saying, hey, we want to fund this study.
28:35
And of course, given that American dogs and
28:39
cats would be the fifth largest meat eating
28:40
country in the world if they were their
28:42
own country, of course I said, yes, I
28:45
would like to help my own little way
28:46
and introduce you to people who could help
28:48
in a bigger way because we need this
28:50
information.
28:51
We are countering a basically global, but particularly
28:55
American misinformation campaign, both in human food and
29:00
in dog food about the necessity of meat.
29:04
Now, I've been vegan 29 years.
29:06
Prior to that, I was vegetarian.
29:08
People are always telling me, you've got too
29:10
much energy.
29:11
Bring it down, bring it down.
29:13
Madam, the clients at the next table at
29:16
the restaurant are complaining, too much energy.
29:19
So I know that humans could thrive on
29:24
a vegan diet.
29:24
My dogs are also some of the most
29:27
energetic dogs in the neighbourhood.
29:29
They're on a vegan diet.
29:31
But yet when I run into people, not
29:34
just the veterinarians, but sometimes I'm walking on
29:36
the street and some other neighbour, well-meaning
29:39
with a dog says, oh, can they have
29:41
a treat?
29:42
No, they're vegan dogs.
29:43
And they kind of look at me like,
29:45
hmm, huh.
29:47
They give me this sideways look.
29:50
How do we counteract that?
29:52
Because they're brainwashed and they're brainwashed by people
29:56
who are making a lot of money off
29:58
of a system that is killing the planet,
30:02
not helping animals.
30:04
And let's not forget the animals who are
30:06
killed to be fed to the dogs.
30:08
They're cows, they're pigs, they're lambs.
30:11
They're just like our dogs and cats.
30:13
Let's not leave them out of the equation,
30:15
Dr. Linda.
30:17
Yeah, it's an important conversation.
30:21
And I think education and leading by example
30:24
are two things.
30:25
But as you're saying, money is driving much
30:28
of this.
30:28
And you mentioned earlier, the marketing efforts, the
30:31
campaign.
30:32
So again, more research for sure to show
30:36
that this is evidence-based.
30:38
That's one aspect.
30:40
As we all do, advocating, working in this
30:44
space, leading by example, and education being a
30:48
very big part of the equation as well.
30:51
So we work, we're fortunate to be in
30:53
a space at a health science university.
30:56
And we work also in interprofessional settings.
31:00
And having conversations with future healthcare providers from
31:03
the different health professions is a very important
31:07
part of that equation.
31:10
And of course, moving outside of the usual
31:13
comfort zone of where you have most clinician
31:16
scientists.
31:17
So in addition to the peer reviewed papers,
31:20
but also having conversations through media as we're
31:23
doing today, the short documentary is incredibly important.
31:28
And we're very, very grateful to the Oceanic
31:30
Preservation Society and all the team members, as
31:34
you also mentioned previously.
31:36
So really the outreach, the education, and also
31:39
what you might label as edutainment.
31:41
So you keep spreading that very, very important
31:45
message.
31:46
A lot of people just simply don't know
31:48
how much is sort of going on, if
31:51
you will, behind closed doors in the industrialised
31:54
food animal production system.
31:56
So really having conversations.
31:59
And I think that's why we need to
32:02
be sort of investing energy and time.
32:05
And a lot of the drumbeat of your
32:09
dogs have to eat meat is that, oh,
32:12
they have to get this vitamin that's only
32:14
available in meat supposedly, or that vitamin that's
32:18
only available in meat supposedly.
32:21
The film, which is streaming on Unchained TV,
32:24
Can Dogs Thrive on a Plant-Based Diet,
32:28
really breaks that down and shows that that
32:30
is just a complete myth, that plant-based
32:34
ingredients have all the vitamins necessary.
32:36
Listen.
32:36
We collected more than 3,000 parameters in
32:39
one year from these dogs.
32:41
For example, vitamin D, it's very important for
32:45
bone metabolism and also for immunity.
32:50
The vitamin D in seven out of these
32:53
15 dogs was insufficient.
32:56
At the end of the year, all of
32:58
them, they were within normal limits.
33:01
The vitamin D concentration that they were able
33:03
to measure in dogs normalised after more time
33:06
on a plant-based diet.
33:08
That really is contradictory to common thought.
33:11
Because the general consensus is that we get
33:14
vitamin D almost exclusively from animal products.
33:19
So we saw that dogs that were clinically
33:22
healthy maintained health, but looking deeper into these
33:27
biomarkers, they were healthier.
33:30
Wow.
33:31
So that is exciting.
33:33
As the parent guardian of two vegan dogs,
33:36
it's great to hear that.
33:38
But again, I'm so glad you had your
33:41
study and that I can point to that
33:43
study because there is this myth and fear
33:47
of, oh no, you can't do that.
33:49
In fact, some people will accuse you of
33:51
abusing your dogs if you had them on
33:54
a vegan diet.
33:55
What are the best arguments, Dr. Mel Garejo,
34:00
for counteracting this irrational, just myth-based fear?
34:08
Because the more I think about it and
34:10
think about the history of dogs, dogs were
34:14
one of the first signs of civilisation amongst
34:17
humans.
34:18
The pack would be around the humans gathered
34:23
and they would eat whatever scraps.
34:26
Those scraps could be anything.
34:29
They ate to survive.
34:31
So it wasn't like they were being fed
34:34
meat dog food from the beginning.
34:36
They clearly were eating opportunistically what would fall
34:42
to the ground or what they could get.
34:47
Before I try to answer that, Jane, I
34:50
like to just make a quick comment about
34:53
your question is how can we actually promote
34:57
and educate people?
34:59
I can tell you the PLOS ONE paper
35:01
was published last year in April and I
35:04
got good comments, congratulations from some people.
35:06
Some companies called me, they wanted to interview,
35:09
etc.
35:10
But I mean, we have about 5,000
35:12
views on the PLOS ONE paper in the
35:17
first few months.
35:18
So that's the way you make science.
35:20
As long as we have only the paper,
35:24
everything was just as expected.
35:26
As soon as the short documentary came, it
35:30
was booming because suddenly it was not just
35:34
Dr. Lina and Dr. Mugarejo and the PLOS
35:36
paper, it's like they are in Netflix.
35:39
That means like a streaming platform gave us
35:43
the credibility and the reputation.
35:45
So for the general public, I think it's
35:49
important to create these documentaries.
35:52
And we are actually working really hard to
35:55
combine those because now we have seen the
35:58
power of filming.
36:01
So we are trying to do excellent science.
36:03
We would like to publish our results, but
36:06
also every time we go, we just went
36:08
to Sardinia last summer to look into the
36:11
longevity in these blue zones, what happens with
36:13
dogs that live with these centenarians.
36:16
And we are looking into that.
36:17
And there's beautiful opportunities to actually do a
36:20
documentary.
36:21
So can you imagine if we can publish
36:23
a paper about the blue zones, dogs living
36:25
longer, healthier?
36:27
We have the papers, but also, and more
36:30
importantly, we have the documentary so the general
36:32
public can understand that.
36:34
We have discovered the power of that and
36:37
we would like to do it.
36:38
Of course, doing a film is expensive and
36:41
that's why we need your support.
36:43
The question that you're asking me when I'm
36:45
in an aeroplane or when I'm talking to
36:48
people, that they said, yeah, but dogs need
36:50
meat because the protein and everything.
36:53
The question is, so can you tell me
36:55
what protein is?
36:57
They don't know.
36:58
They're just like parrots saying, oh, protein, protein,
37:01
protein.
37:01
Oh, but the amino acid, the L-carnitine.
37:04
Okay.
37:04
Can you tell me, explain to me please
37:06
what is the L-carnitine?
37:07
They don't really know.
37:09
So they just take it back.
37:11
But that I have seen that with a
37:14
very short documentary of less than 10 minutes,
37:17
it gives you the credibility and also open
37:19
a door so they can listen.
37:21
We have former students that are part of
37:23
the paper and they have very busy clinics.
37:26
And just as soon as they were featured
37:29
in the paper and in the documentary, all
37:31
the clients is like, okay, I like to
37:34
go a vegan doctor.
37:35
And it was not the paper.
37:37
It was not that.
37:38
It was the power of social media.
37:41
So we need to do a combination nowadays
37:43
between people like you, really great, entertained, scientifically
37:49
based documentaries and publishing.
37:52
So we inform our new generations that dogs
37:55
are omnivores, not carnivores.
37:59
And your film is so powerful.
38:01
It's only seven minutes, guys.
38:03
You can watch it like this.
38:05
It's so entertaining.
38:06
You've seen some clips.
38:07
Let's play another clip that really shows, of
38:09
course, meat is connected with muscle in the
38:13
mind, but we all know the vegan bodybuilders.
38:15
I know several, they're ripped beyond belief on
38:18
plants.
38:20
Kale, for example, has more protein calorie per
38:22
calorie than steak.
38:23
Let's take another look at a clip from
38:26
this incredible mini doc that is streaming on
38:30
about that.
38:32
The athletic performance that a lot of these
38:34
animals can end up with is super high.
38:36
And you would not expect that out of
38:38
a vegan diet.
38:39
We often think of vegan diets as like
38:41
these kind of lean, not muscle building kind
38:43
of diets.
38:43
And these dogs get beefy.
38:45
They're strong.
38:46
They're healthy, but they're not overweight.
38:50
The data is so clear when it comes
38:53
to diet and dogs and you need to
38:55
present solid cold data.
38:58
That's the only way to move this forward.
39:01
We are happy to say that the results
39:03
of our one year clinical study on plant
39:06
-based nutrition in dogs have been published with
39:09
open access for everyone.
39:12
Yes.
39:12
Don't take their word for it.
39:15
Go and Google the study plus one and
39:19
vegan dog food, and it will pop right
39:21
up.
39:21
Now, this is my vegan dog Sunday.
39:23
I have two vegan dogs and she is
39:27
super, super, I would say muscular.
39:32
She's muscular and she runs like crazy and
39:36
fetches.
39:37
That's her whole thing.
39:38
She's not a couch potato.
39:41
So it's really important to point out that
39:44
if the proof's in the pudding, okay, the
39:48
proof's in the pudding.
39:49
And Sunday here is a very athletic dog
39:53
on a 100% plant-based diet.
39:55
But I've got to ask you a question.
39:58
Okay.
39:59
There have been occasions where due to a
40:02
babysitter or whatever, she's gotten access to meat.
40:08
Like somebody giving her a treat before I
40:12
could stop them that has meat.
40:14
And I noticed that once they taste that,
40:18
it takes a couple of days for them
40:20
to, or for her specifically to want to
40:23
get back into the vegan food.
40:25
Can you discuss that Dr. Linda?
40:27
Like, I think that it's kind of, there's
40:31
a bit of an addictive component there.
40:33
We've got to address that.
40:37
Yeah.
40:38
I think it's, you said the word right
40:41
already.
40:41
You say there's individual variations.
40:43
So for some dogs, that's going to be
40:46
not really much.
40:48
They blink and they happily eat the usual
40:50
food the day after.
40:52
Some dogs might actually have a really bad
40:56
episode, maybe some GI upset after getting very,
41:02
for them, unusual, atypical type of ingredients, like
41:06
someone giving them something meat-based.
41:08
And then as you described with Sunday, that
41:11
there might be those dogs that have more
41:13
maybe of addiction to certain tastes from whatever
41:17
those ingredients are in those products.
41:21
So you will have a variation.
41:23
I think we do know that if it
41:25
is products that contain some of these more
41:29
addictive properties, and I think what comes to
41:31
mind immediately on sort of the human side
41:34
is what we know about cheese and anything
41:38
that has these casomorphins, these addictive properties.
41:42
So I would say probably if you ask
41:44
me to guess sort of across most domestic
41:47
dogs, they probably will be happy to go
41:50
back to the food that they are used
41:52
to eating.
41:53
And then yes, you will have those cases
41:55
like with what you described, and she is
41:58
a little bit hesitant perhaps the following day.
42:00
So that's what I would attribute to some
42:03
individual variations, some preferences.
42:07
But again, as you also described, she's very,
42:10
very happy on a daily basis eating the
42:12
type of nutrition that you're feeding to her.
42:15
And I am guessing that there's some variation
42:19
in that.
42:20
So we had the conversation earlier about what
42:22
type of foods to avoid with dogs.
42:24
And again, the individual variation of what different
42:28
dogs enjoy eating.
42:30
Oh, thank you so much for that, Dr.
42:33
Linda.
42:33
I feel like I'm getting a consultation with
42:35
a vet today for myself.
42:38
Yeah, I do everything I can to make
42:41
sure they get no exposure to meat at
42:44
all.
42:44
And if somebody tries to give them a
42:46
treat, I just say, no, thank you.
42:48
My dogs are vegan.
42:50
And hopefully that will also register in there.
42:54
They see that my dogs are healthy.
42:56
And again, we're not talking about the massive
43:00
numbers of animals who are just like our
43:02
dogs and cats who are killed to be
43:05
put in dog food cans to be fed
43:07
to dogs when it doesn't even help them.
43:10
There's a parallel to what's happening with humans.
43:14
We see, you know, horrible health crisis that
43:19
has developed in our country with two thirds
43:22
of Americans overweight or obese, 43% of
43:25
Americans are obese.
43:26
And it's a primarily meat and dairy laden
43:29
fast food diet that's responsible.
43:32
So let me try to go out to
43:33
Darren.
43:36
Darren, why are you doing this?
43:38
Why is this important for you to do?
43:41
Well, it's an extension again, to your point,
43:44
Jane, of our lifestyle.
43:46
And I think our team, our family, our
43:49
community choosing a plant-based diet for the
43:52
various reasons of adopting plant based for the
43:56
environment, for animals, for human health, our own
43:59
health, and connecting those pillars of veganism and
44:02
extending that to our canine companions, which we
44:05
now have even further evidence with the study
44:08
to demonstrate the efficacy of plant-based nutrition
44:11
for canine health.
44:12
And so it's really a coming full circle
44:15
for us.
44:15
And our goal and our mission as a
44:19
company, as a team and as a family
44:20
is to continue to innovate and work with
44:22
folks, both on the pet food nutrition side
44:25
of things, as well as Dr. Medarato and
44:27
Dr. Linde on the academic side and connecting
44:30
those two different science groups together to bring
44:34
novel plant-based ingredients to the pet food
44:37
industry and continue to innovate and develop nutritious,
44:42
nutritiously balanced products for dogs.
44:45
Uh, what I would like to see is
44:49
a topper, a topper with, has gravy.
44:52
That would be something I would really like
44:54
to see because sometimes, uh, it's, it's just,
44:58
they're just like people, you know, I don't
45:01
want to just eat a slab of tofu.
45:02
I'd like to have a little spices and
45:04
hot sauce or whatever it is that I,
45:06
as a human being want, well, the dogs
45:07
are the same way.
45:08
So I think we can make, we could
45:11
make vegan dog food more attractive.
45:12
And I know you're working on that, uh,
45:14
V-Dog and very excited to see what
45:17
comes down the pike, uh, in terms of,
45:20
uh, vegan dog food products.
45:23
We know we have a lot of treats,
45:25
uh, during this show, I was tempted to
45:28
jump to my kitchen and grab some of
45:31
those treats to show everybody.
45:32
But, uh, I will do that actually, because
45:34
I think it's important to, for, for, uh,
45:37
people to see.
45:38
So Dr. Mel Garejo, will you, for a
45:42
minute, take us through how this study was
45:45
conducted?
45:46
Because when people think of studies involving animals,
45:49
they think of animals in cages, animals being
45:52
tortured in laboratories, which of course we are
45:54
all against.
45:55
All we do is work on freeing animals
45:58
from laboratories.
46:00
Um, can you describe how these dogs were
46:04
treated during this study and how long the
46:09
study went on?
46:11
Of course, um, as you pointed, these are
46:15
client owned dogs.
46:17
Um, so they were dogs, uh, from students,
46:21
staff, and faculty here at Western University.
46:24
And there's a big challenge, uh, working with
46:26
client owned dogs, because, um, pretty much the
46:30
only thing that, the only thing that we
46:31
did, uh, the study was the sign that
46:34
they needed to be between one year and
46:37
10 years of age.
46:38
And they needed to be on a meat
46:41
based diet, kibble, uh, most of them, um,
46:45
uh, for at least one year.
46:48
And then we transition, uh, these 15, uh,
46:51
dogs, females and males in one week to
46:55
a big, uh, uh, a vegan diet.
46:57
And then we follow them for a year.
46:59
So right there when people say, oh, it's
47:02
a, it's a small study.
47:03
It's a short study.
47:05
Let me just tell you something.
47:07
Uh, one year of a dog, it's very
47:10
difficult.
47:11
There's not a number, but it's equal to
47:13
six to eight years on humans.
47:16
So if it's like, uh, in this group,
47:19
I said, okay, Darren, Anika, uh, Jane and
47:22
other people, we are going to put you
47:24
on a diet for seven years.
47:27
You tell me if that is a short
47:30
study, seven years of a human with the
47:33
same diet, follow you and then measure more
47:36
than 3000 parameters.
47:38
That is the significance of this study is
47:41
not just a study.
47:42
Yeah.
47:43
The number of dogs, there were 15 dogs,
47:45
but none of them actually show a clinical
47:48
science.
47:49
And a lot of the dogs and the,
47:51
the guardians call me and said, Dr. Mel
47:53
Garejo, my dog is smiling.
47:56
I didn't know that my dog smiled.
47:59
Dr. Mel Garejo, my dog is really full
48:02
of energy.
48:03
My dog is happy.
48:04
My dog is less aggressive.
48:06
And you know why?
48:07
Because there's now a area that we didn't
48:11
know a 10 years ago that is called
48:13
the God brain axis.
48:15
What you eat is not just what you
48:17
are, but it's the way, how you think.
48:19
So, and we saw, and we didn't comment
48:21
on, on this documentary that actually, or dogs
48:25
on a plant-based diet, the tryptophan, one
48:27
of the amino acids that are key for
48:30
happiness.
48:32
They just went all the way up, even
48:36
above normal levels.
48:38
And the tryptophan is probably the molecule of
48:40
the serotonin.
48:42
And the serotonin is the molecule that promotes
48:45
calmness and happiness.
48:47
So this was a very interesting study because
48:50
it was 50, 15 dogs, but the time
48:55
it was a year and every three months,
48:57
we checked the dogs every three months.
48:59
And every month we called the guardians and
49:02
how is the dog doing?
49:04
How are the faeces urinating?
49:05
And we check absolutely everything.
49:07
We have still data, mega data on the
49:10
microbiome, faecal microbiome, urine microbiome, the things that
49:14
are going to come later, we hope in,
49:18
in publications.
49:19
But this was a very interesting study.
49:23
I give credit to Dr. Lina because she
49:25
designed the study together with a biostatistician from
49:30
UC Berkeley.
49:31
They were extremely meticulous and strict about what
49:36
are we going to do, how we're going
49:38
to publish and what statistics techniques are going
49:41
to use to prove that even with 15
49:44
dogs, this is highly significant.
49:47
And I've been doing my own study here
49:49
with my little Wednesday.
49:51
Okay.
49:51
So I want to show you some of
49:52
the V-Dog products.
49:54
This they go crazy for.
49:58
This is like, well, it's equivalent to me
50:01
having a chocolate eclair maybe, but a lot
50:03
healthier.
50:04
So you see this little face.
50:06
She loves this.
50:07
This is her treat.
50:08
Yes, yes, yes.
50:11
There's a little Wednesday.
50:12
And then this one I just give to
50:16
Sunday.
50:18
I believe this is when it has a
50:19
little apple in it.
50:20
And I give this one to Sunday.
50:22
She goes crazy for it.
50:23
And then we have the breath bone that
50:26
they both love.
50:28
And those are the dog shoes that I
50:30
showed you that they, they love, and they
50:33
love that chewy sensation.
50:35
And then I keep the kibble.
50:39
Hold on a little girl.
50:40
I keep the kibble in this, and this
50:43
is the kibble.
50:44
And I have a little scooper and I
50:46
scoop it out.
50:48
And that's, that's like a lot of their
50:52
diet.
50:52
They also have wet food and I also
50:54
make them carrots, corn, and potatoes in a
50:59
little mix, sometimes with seitan.
51:01
So let me try to go back to
51:05
Darren and see Darren, what other products are,
51:09
can we expect from you in the, in
51:10
the future?
51:12
Well, thank you, Jane.
51:13
Yeah.
51:13
We're excited about our current products as well
51:15
as some new products in the product pipeline
51:18
and with Dr. Gregg on our nutrition side
51:21
of things and product development side.
51:24
And toppers is on our radar, different versions
51:27
of toppers, as well as prebiotic and probiotic
51:31
treats and other functional ingredient-based treats.
51:35
And on the food side, we are looking
51:37
at a couple of different opportunities moving into
51:40
a fresh concept that could also double as
51:43
a topper.
51:44
So again, these are all in the pipeline
51:47
and we're working on them currently.
51:49
We are, we're a small, you know, family
51:51
-owned and operated entity.
51:53
So we have to manage our budget carefully
51:55
and move cautiously, but we're excited because we
51:59
have some great potential opportunities and partnerships in
52:02
2025 to launch some new products.
52:05
Well, I, again, I want to give you
52:07
compliments on making your products very easy to
52:11
get.
52:12
I order them, they're here the next day
52:14
and they love them.
52:17
They just absolutely love all the different products.
52:21
I think for this little one, she just
52:23
goes so crazy over the wiggle biscuits.
52:25
The wiggle biscuits are really what, what rocks
52:30
her boat.
52:30
But let's just have final thoughts, 30 seconds
52:34
each.
52:34
We're out of time.
52:36
Dr. Linda, what's your message?
52:39
I think the very short message here is
52:43
that we have shown with the study that
52:46
this is definitely an option for dogs.
52:48
It allows dogs to thrive.
52:51
There's no need to be worried about it.
52:54
This is nutritionally complete.
52:56
So thumbs up and think about us as
52:59
we talked about all the important social implications,
53:02
ethical implications.
53:04
Dr. Tona.
53:07
Well, science is built by bricks and we
53:11
just put the first brick of a beautiful
53:13
castle and we cannot stop now.
53:15
One paper doesn't mean very much in the
53:18
scientific community.
53:20
We need to keep promoting through different documentaries
53:23
and we need to produce a lot of
53:25
bricks and we need to do it in
53:28
a scientifically manner and we need funding to
53:32
do that.
53:33
As I said, there is no one supporting
53:35
us but amazing philanthropists that actually believe in
53:39
a better world, planetary health, human health, and
53:43
the health of our amazing, beautiful friends.
53:46
Well, for us, for Wednesday, Sunday and myself,
53:50
I could say that we look forward to
53:53
having you come back when you have your
53:55
next GoFundMe for your next study.
53:57
Nothing would make me happier than to be
54:00
a part of that, to donate, to promote
54:03
anything we can do.
54:05
I want to do because, wow, the clock's
54:09
ticking.
54:09
We haven't even gotten to the environmental damage
54:12
that meat causes.
54:15
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54:19
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