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The Late Debate | 20 November · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late General, welcome the Late Debates.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have your company on the Late Debate. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson with frail each and filling in for Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Bond Joe Hildebrand coming up tonight. The Australian Catholic University
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  Speaker 2: under fire for hiring an academic who links eating foreign
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  Speaker 2: food to racism. Plus the ABC put to air a
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  Speaker 2: quiz show segment in which a contestant guesses that being
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  Speaker 2: called a Jew is an insult.
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  Speaker 3: And the Albanezy government's.
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  Speaker 2: Bid to host COP thirty one fails or is it
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  Speaker 2: a failure? Some might argue we dodged a two billion
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  Speaker 2: dollar bullet. All of that shortly, but first, the deputy
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  Speaker 2: vice chancellor of Adelaide.
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  Speaker 3: University has been forced to resign.
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  Speaker 2: Why financial impropriety No, some salacious scandal, No, not at all.
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  Speaker 3: PAULA Ward was forced.
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  Speaker 2: To resign for comments she made to a meeting of
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  Speaker 2: a thousand university staff members.
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  Speaker 3: The deputy vice chancellor told staff.
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  Speaker 2: The university would introduce stricter working from home rules to
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  Speaker 2: stop them from getting a four day weekend by working
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  Speaker 2: remotely on Fridays and Mondays.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Staff were outraged. They described the comment as disgraceful. National
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  Speaker 2: Tertiary Education Union secretary Andrew Miller said the comments showed
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  Speaker 2: that the Deputy Vice Chancellor didn't trust the professionalism of staff.
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  Speaker 2: It showed that she fundamentally isn't sensitive to their flexible
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  Speaker 2: work arrangements and their patterns of work because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of staff have caring responsibilities, children and other factors that
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  Speaker 2: have so far been accommodated in a progressive workplace. The
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  Speaker 2: Deputy Vice Chancellor promptly realized the error and apologized, but
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  Speaker 2: the damage was done, to which I say.
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  Speaker 3: What damage? She said? Something true?
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  Speaker 2: If you're pitching to work from home on Fridays and Mondays,
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  Speaker 2: you're clearly angling for something approaching a.
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  Speaker 3: Four day weekend. The Deputy Vice Chancellor shouldn't be out
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  Speaker 3: on a rear Joe I reckon. She should be brought
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  Speaker 3: back and promoted.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I think people are still grieving James.
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  Speaker 5: People are still traumatized by this academic I mean, I
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  Speaker 5: thought anti Semitism was bad in this community, but to
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  Speaker 5: have people daring to criticize the three day office working week,
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  Speaker 5: I mean that's I mean, do they have enough therapists
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  Speaker 5: at the University of Adelade to accommodate this. This is
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  Speaker 5: I think the amazing thing is it's not what whether
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  Speaker 5: she said was right or not, or true or not,
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  Speaker 5: or whether staff were you know, you know, taking the
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  Speaker 5: piece or whatever. I'm sure you know, most of them
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  Speaker 5: are working very hard and doing lots, and I work
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  Speaker 5: from home myself a lot.
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  Speaker 4: But the idea I just.
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  Speaker 5: Cannot, for the life of me get around. I mean, honestly,
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  Speaker 5: there are people, there are people who have been marauding
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  Speaker 5: campuses across Australia with all sorts of you know, there
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  Speaker 5: have been academics who who famously said that Israelis or
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  Speaker 5: Zionists should be made to feel uncomfortable in the community
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  Speaker 5: about as close to a threat to someone on the
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  Speaker 5: basis of their ethnicity or ideology as you could possibly get.
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  Speaker 5: And this is the person who's been sacked, someone who said, oh,
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  Speaker 5: can we all just go back to the office a
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  Speaker 5: bit more please? Like that to me is just bonkers
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  Speaker 5: and it just shows this nutsness of you know, universities
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  Speaker 5: these and I've got a lot of friends who work
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  Speaker 5: in them and they're honestly just tying themselves in knots.
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  Speaker 4: But this idea that you know, any any move to
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  Speaker 4: make campuses.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a space free from open due hatred and
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  Speaker 1: harassment is an encroachment on freedom of speech. But any
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  Speaker 1: one point, anyone who says, maybe, you know, three days
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  Speaker 1: in the office isn't enough has to be walked out
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  Speaker 1: and shot in the back of the head like this
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  Speaker 1: is just mind blowing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly right, It makes no sense. And she's also
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  Speaker 6: just objectively correct. All of the studies show that, on
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  Speaker 6: the whole, working from home does decrease productivity, and that's
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  Speaker 6: at the best of times, let alone strategically selecting your days.
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  Speaker 7: But what do you know, four day weekend right there.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Academics, even when they're good, are pretty lackluster
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  Speaker 6: in terms of performance and productivity. Let alone and academic
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  Speaker 6: working from home. Let alone an academic who acknowledges the
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  Speaker 6: reason they want to work from home is because of
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  Speaker 6: child's care and other responsibilities. So when the Teachers' Union
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  Speaker 6: says it's a progressive workplace, I think they really mean progressively.
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  Speaker 6: Less work is done when they are not at the university,
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  Speaker 6: and that's why they like it. So I don't blame
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  Speaker 6: them for defending their right to do less work. But
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  Speaker 6: we as the taxpayers who ultimately pay for these universities
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  Speaker 6: should not accept this.
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  Speaker 5: Technically, I will just say it's not actually the Teachers' Union,
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  Speaker 5: but that's the National Churchiary Ursary, the union, which is
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  Speaker 5: the most probably the most kind of ideologically extreme sort
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  Speaker 5: of unions, like it is right to the kind of
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  Speaker 5: let's just say, these guys are all in on that.
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  Speaker 2: The comment from the union rep who said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: these comments show that she's insensitive to staff, and then
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  Speaker 2: he goes on to say, as you said, Frey, that
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  Speaker 2: they've got caring responsibilities, they're looking after children. There's other
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  Speaker 2: reasons why they want to work from home other than
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  Speaker 2: that it's good to work. I would say, far from
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  Speaker 2: being insensitive, she's got her finger exactly on the pulse
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  Speaker 2: and knows exactly what's going on.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly if she knows what they're up to. And the
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  Speaker 6: answer is, if you can't juggle your work with other
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  Speaker 6: things you've got to do, well, maybe just drop down
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  Speaker 6: the days that you're working. Don't make taxpayers keep paying
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  Speaker 6: you for full time work.
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  Speaker 7: When you really only want to work three days.
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  Speaker 5: It's getting sick only on Mondays and Fridays.
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  Speaker 7: That's another good one. The sick is.
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  Speaker 6: But another university that is under fire is the Australian
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  Speaker 6: Catholic University. Now you'd expect ACU, a Catholic institution, would
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  Speaker 6: be conservative, would uphold the pillars of Western civilization, and
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  Speaker 6: certainly would not tolerate radical leftists trying to import critical
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  Speaker 6: race theory mind viruses into their institution. But apparently not
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  Speaker 6: here in Australia. They're now under fire for hiring a
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  Speaker 6: new head of Student Experience from the US.
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  Speaker 7: John Burdick. His academic specialty.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't even know this was a thing, but he
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  Speaker 6: specializes in investigating how eating foreign foods actually perpetuates white
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  Speaker 6: supremacy and racism. Here is an excerpt from one of
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  Speaker 6: his four hundred and nine page dissertations on how white
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  Speaker 6: people eating ethnic food is really problematic. He says, the
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  Speaker 6: food of racialized groups are not simply used to articulate
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  Speaker 6: or challenge a marginalized racial positionality, but are also a
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  Speaker 6: central part in the construction, articulation, and perpetuation of racial privilege, whiteness,
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  Speaker 6: and as such a central to the very foundations of
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  Speaker 6: the racialized world racial hierarchy. And then he goes on
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  Speaker 6: to say we must push towards deeper understandings of the
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  Speaker 6: complex racial dynamics at work every time food is shared
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  Speaker 6: across cultures, and how the larger power dynamics inherent in
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  Speaker 6: those exchanges can be dismantled. So what I want to
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  Speaker 6: know from all of that word vomit is, as the
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  Speaker 6: director of student experience with a deep understanding of the
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  Speaker 6: dangers of cross cultural food contamination, is he going to
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  Speaker 6: ban sushi.
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  Speaker 7: For white people?
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  Speaker 6: Chinese people can't eat Vietnamese foe Like, what is this?
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  Speaker 6: Or maybe non Anglo people can't eat egg sandwiches.
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  Speaker 7: This is so stupid.
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  Speaker 6: What is ACU doing giving this guy a job?
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  Speaker 2: He's the director of student experience, which makes a question
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  Speaker 2: what kind of experience are your kids going to have
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  Speaker 2: if you send them to the Australian Catholic University on
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  Speaker 2: Sydney's North Shore.
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  Speaker 3: The clue is in his LinkedIn profile.
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  Speaker 2: On his LinkedIn profile, he identifies himself very helpfully as
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  Speaker 2: he him which I would have thought if you're a Catholic,
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  Speaker 2: you know God created the male and female, you really
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  Speaker 2: don't need to promote not only radical race theory but
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  Speaker 2: also the whole gender fluidity thing.
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  Speaker 5: John is a very popular girl's name. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if you've been keeping up with you know, like, if
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  Speaker 5: I was to say I find this very handy, I was,
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  Speaker 5: you know, John Burdick, I'd being clueless. I think probably
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  Speaker 5: a days his LinkedIn But then you know what, I'd
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  Speaker 5: see the doctor and I think, ah, but the patriarchy
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  Speaker 5: would have made him a PhD.
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  Speaker 2: His LinkedIn profile goes on to say, my research explores
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  Speaker 2: the racial politics of food.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the problem with people like this.
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  Speaker 2: Everything is political, which means everything is about power dynamics,
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  Speaker 2: which is the antithesis of the gospel that the Catholic
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  Speaker 2: University is supposed to be proper. I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: you'd send your kids there when these are the stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the picture of himself on his Twitter profile just
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  Speaker 5: has him with a giant sign I think saying dismantle
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  Speaker 5: white supremacy, which I think if he's going to sort
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  Speaker 5: of lean is he white?
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  Speaker 4: If he's he looks pretty white to me.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I don't judge people by the color of
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  Speaker 5: their skin, James, so I'm colorblind, so I wouldn't know.
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  Speaker 5: But but if he's going to lean into the sort
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  Speaker 5: of food stuff, wouldn't it be sort of deconstruct white supremacy,
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  Speaker 5: or you know, like have a white supremacy flombai with
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  Speaker 5: a bit of a nigrette on the side, just a
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  Speaker 5: bit of sour savory.
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  Speaker 6: The other thing I don't understand is I thought the
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  Speaker 6: exchange of different cuisines was all part of multiculturalism.
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  Speaker 5: Isn't this cultural appropriations? Player, that's white supremacist thinking. If
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  Speaker 5: you want to be truly embracing of other cultures, you
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  Speaker 5: should tell white people they can only eat white food
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  Speaker 5: because otherwise they might be contacted.
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  Speaker 4: Now, who does that sound like? Oh, that's right, whites
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  Speaker 4: of premises. Anyway, I really enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 5: It's absolutely fantastic, and it's so funny because I actually
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  Speaker 5: went to UNI with a lot of people like this.
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  Speaker 5: For me, it's just wonderful to introduce them all to
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  Speaker 5: you in the rest.
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  Speaker 4: Of the world.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway, here's another moment that raised a few eyebrows and
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  Speaker 5: might have had a few people choking on their racially
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  Speaker 5: correct dinner.
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  Speaker 4: This was a reheated survey of the.
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  Speaker 5: ABC's very popular show Hard Quiz, hosted by LOGI winner
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  Speaker 5: Tom Gleeson. And it's been running and I think these
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  Speaker 5: are actually repeats. So the amazing thing is that this
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  Speaker 5: somehow made it to air not once, but twice. But
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  Speaker 5: this is an excerpt from this show where Tom Gleeson
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  Speaker 5: asked a question in case I don't know that the
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  Speaker 5: premises that you ask an incredibly sort of niche question about.
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  Speaker 4: A patient a patience.
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  Speaker 5: I think this guy might soon be a patient because
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  Speaker 5: some people thought it was a hospital pass but a
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  Speaker 5: contestants area of specialty, and they have to answer or
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  Speaker 5: someone else can jump in and blah blah blah, bah blah. Anyway,
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  Speaker 5: it all explains itself, but not really have a look.
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  Speaker 2: The Social Network opens with Mark Zuckerberg getting dumped by
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  Speaker 2: his girlfriend, who tells him that if girls don't like him,
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  Speaker 2: it's because he's an asshole, not because he's a what.
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  Speaker 3: It's wide open, but there's Mike too.
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  Speaker 7: Incorrect.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go wide open quick, someone feel the awkward silence.
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  Speaker 3: Time's up, Nerd, Yeah it's.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what if doctor John Burdick reckons eating
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  Speaker 5: sushi makes you a white supremacist, I'd.
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  Speaker 4: Love to see what he makes that.
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  Speaker 5: But this is just bonkers, Like the look like, it's
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  Speaker 5: just there's so much to unpack. But to start with,
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  Speaker 5: let's just get hype the contestants head here, What would
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  Speaker 5: make that the first word to pop into someone's head?
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  Speaker 7: Like?
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  Speaker 4: It just seems strange. And I don't actually blame.
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  Speaker 5: Tom because I think he's clearly just recognizing how awkward.
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  Speaker 3: I think he was as shocked as audience.
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  Speaker 5: But that is but that is obviously seen as so
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  Speaker 5: kind of run of the mill garden variety that no
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  Speaker 5: one's actually thought, oh, maybe we should you know, clip
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  Speaker 5: that bit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what was in the contestant's mind, but
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  Speaker 2: I do know that contestant was the first one to
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  Speaker 2: be eliminated, so clearly not the most intelligent of those
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  Speaker 2: on the panel. But could you imagine if the answer
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  Speaker 2: had been Muslim or black or gay, it would never
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  Speaker 2: have gone to air in the first place, and it
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  Speaker 2: would certainly never have been repeated. So it just is
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  Speaker 2: quite strange that the ABC and the audience, I mean
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  Speaker 2: that the laughter was like this weird, awkward, uncomfortable laughter
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  Speaker 2: because everybody knew immediately that is not something that should
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  Speaker 2: have been said. So I don't think we're explaining anything
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  Speaker 2: to people that they wouldn't already.
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  Speaker 5: When Will Smith slapped Chris Rock at the Oscars, and
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  Speaker 5: everyone went, is this a joke?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah? Right, it's terrific, And look, this is the thing.
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  Speaker 7: I like humor.
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  Speaker 6: I think we should be able to joke about things.
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  Speaker 6: I think we should be able to joke about ourselves
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  Speaker 6: in different groups. But the whole premise of the setup
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  Speaker 6: there was you're being dumped for a reason, because it's
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  Speaker 6: a bad thing that you're being dumped. The first thing
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  Speaker 6: that popped into that guy's head, probably because the Zuckerberg name,
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  Speaker 6: you know it might sound Jewish, is well.
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  Speaker 7: He's a Jew.
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  Speaker 6: But why is being a Jewish person a bad thing? Like,
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  Speaker 6: why would that be the reason someone's dumped? It's just
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, it was someone uncomfortable and just yeah,
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  Speaker 6: leaves a really bad taste in you man.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of the comments online were from people saying,
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  Speaker 2: come on, get a sense of humor. You should be
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  Speaker 2: able to laugh at yourself, and Jews should be able
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  Speaker 2: to laugh at themselves too, And if you've hung out
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  Speaker 2: with Jews, they laugh at them as they're very self
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  Speaker 2: I think in the current context it was pretty unwise,
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  Speaker 2: and that's being kind. But for the ABC to play
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  Speaker 2: it not once but twice is very.
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  Speaker 7: Odd and it's the double standard.
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  Speaker 6: It's that if this was to any other group, it
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  Speaker 6: would not have gone to end.
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  Speaker 2: No people would be saying, oh, come on, laugh at
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  Speaker 2: yourself and get a.
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  Speaker 3: Sense of humans.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of laughter, I'll tell you what the British police
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  Speaker 2: make you laugh or your cry. They've been instructed not
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  Speaker 2: to call prostitutes prostitutes, but rather to refer to them
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  Speaker 2: as sex workers or more specifically, sexual entrepreneurs.
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  Speaker 5: Now, this directive when I was younger, This.
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  Speaker 2: Directive comes from the police commanders themselves. Let me read
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  Speaker 2: for you from the UK Telegraph. The guidance states that
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  Speaker 2: officers should limit the use of the word prostitute or
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  Speaker 2: prostitution to specific.
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  Speaker 3: Legal meanings and defenses.
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  Speaker 2: It says that sex work is for some a necessary
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  Speaker 2: survival strategy, while for others it's an active career choice.
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  Speaker 2: These included sexual entrepreneurs who have chosen to engage in
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  Speaker 2: commercial sex as a career choice, and for whom sex
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  Speaker 2: work is not necessarily a temporary arrangement that they seek
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  Speaker 2: to exit. Now that's the advice that police have been given. Well, interestingly,
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  Speaker 2: an all party political group, So you've got Laby, you've
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  Speaker 2: got Conservatives. They've all come together because they've been working
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  Speaker 2: on the issue of sex trafficking and they are now
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  Speaker 2: urging British police to change this language, stop calling them
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  Speaker 2: sexual entrepreneurs, because they fear it's.
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  Speaker 3: Normalizing sex work and.
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  Speaker 2: Undermining the imperative for police to crack down on sex trafficking. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you look at arrest numbers in the UK published
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  Speaker 2: in The Telegraph between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 2: the number of people arrested for sex trafficking with relation
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  Speaker 2: to forced prostitution has gone from dozens to almost none
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  Speaker 2: at all, and MPs are concerned that this is because
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  Speaker 2: police are normalizing this and therefore turning.
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  Speaker 3: A blind eye to it. I had to laugh in
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  Speaker 3: The Times.
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  Speaker 2: It's always interesting reading the comments, people saying what next
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  Speaker 2: are we going to call burglars, wealth redistribution entrepreneurs, or shoplifters,
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  Speaker 2: irregular shoppers, or drug dealers, street pharmacists or police idle
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  Speaker 2: spectators one more thing. Quickly, the politicians pointed out that
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  Speaker 2: nowhere in legislation is sex worker used, so this is
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  Speaker 2: clearly an ideological push from the police chiefs themselves and
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  Speaker 2: has no place in the police force. Imagine if police
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  Speaker 2: in the UK, instead of worrying about what language they
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  Speaker 2: used for crimes so as not to offend or shame anybody,
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  Speaker 2: what if they just policed.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm reminded of and perhaps I'm showing my age,
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  Speaker 5: but there was an incredibly it was like the Game
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  Speaker 5: of Thrones of its era, incredibly powerful and gritty and
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  Speaker 5: realistic police show called The Wire. I'm not sure if
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  Speaker 5: you saw it, but it had a very famous scene
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  Speaker 5: in which the cops were talking about the difficult they
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  Speaker 5: had in policing all the kids drinking on the street,
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  Speaker 5: and the police chief or the police commander of that
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  Speaker 5: area presented a very simple solution, and it was the
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  Speaker 5: brown paper bag. Because of course, as soon as you
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  Speaker 5: just hid the problem away, then police no longer had
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  Speaker 5: an obligation to investigate it. Now, I would suggest that
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  Speaker 5: prostitution is a much bigger problem than drinking in public,
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  Speaker 5: and that this is extremely and there are a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people, some well intentioned, some just hopelessly naive, who
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  Speaker 5: try to make it sound like prostitution is something that
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  Speaker 5: women do for their own self empowerment. I think virtually
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  Speaker 5: in the vast majority of cases, there will be a
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  Speaker 5: very few, and I know some who have done it,
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  Speaker 5: not professionally, just people I know who have done it
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  Speaker 5: and don't regret it. And you operate at the high
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  Speaker 5: end of the market if you like. And for them
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  Speaker 5: it was a really easy way to make money and
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  Speaker 5: they didn't have a problem. I've known other people who
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  Speaker 5: did it to support heroin habit, people who did it
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  Speaker 5: because it was that or you know, homelessness. And the
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  Speaker 5: idea that these people are sexual entrepreneurs is so absolutely
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  Speaker 5: fundamentally quite frankly almost offensively misguided, like the idea that
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: it would say, oh, no, we should empower this person
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: who has to have sex with a man who discussed
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: her so she can feed her smack habit, you know,
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: and that is that is a person I met many
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: many years ago. No one could recognoud be able to identify.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: But this is you know, this is just sick. It
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: is absolutely bonkers stuff.
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: And to say that some women make a career choice
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: to go into prostitution, it's not a career desperation at
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: the at best, or exploitation and abuse at worst. And
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: what these MPs point out is that sex trafficking and
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: sexual exploitation and pimping people out. I mean, it's reaching
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: record highs, but it is basically just going completely unpoliced,
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: completely unregulated, because the police have just clearly been given
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: guidance written by some woke lefty who thinks sex work
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: is empowering, and now they're like, oh, well, we've got
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: bigger issues to deal with, and yes, the UK has
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: a lot of issues, but we can't let illegal activity
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: that is actually exploitative of women just slide.
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: It's not okay, and it is.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: I think ultimately, what this does is it's a disservice
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: to the women who are caught in this because it
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: kind of makes it seem as though that it's not
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: really a problem.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: And that's the point that the British politicians are making
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: that in trying to be I don't know kind, in
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: trying not to shame a certain group, they are then
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: penalizing those who really desperately need police help, and that's
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: a major problem.
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: Exactly well Over in the US, Donald Trump has had
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: quite the week, from high profile white ho meanings to
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: the release of the epscene files. It's all been going on,
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: but some new polling has come out and apparently American
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: voters aren't feeling so rosy about the US at the moment.
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: In fact, when you look at their perception of the
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: economic conditions in the US, it is pretty bad. For
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: the national economic situation, seventy six percent of people rated
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: as not so good or poor, and just twenty five
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: percent it's excellent or good. When talking about their personal
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: financial situation, sixty percent say not so good poor, only
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: forty percent say it is.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: Excellent or good.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: Now, these numbers are about similar to what Joe Biden
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: was experiencing in twenty twenty four, and Trump's approval rating
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: is now at its lowest for his second term as
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: president and second lowest of all time.
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: So I think it is interesting.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: I think obviously the Epstein stuff has taken a toll
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: the internal divisions within the MAGA movement definitely. But you
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: can't help but think could this be due to the
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: tariffs to have that many people saying that their economic
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: conditions have deteriorated and they're blaming Trump.
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: I'm personally I am committed to free markets. I think
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: generally that's good. Someone has to pay when tariffs are implemented.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: Often it actually ends up being a tax on the
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: end purchaser. You have seen lots of extra investment into
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: the US, but consumers are being hit hard thousand percent.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: And it was always going to end this way, and
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: it was an insane policy from the very beginning.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Everybody knew that. Everybody tried to tell them.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: I think there were just one weird economist from UCLA
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: or somewhere who thought it was.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: A really good Well, it has been good in the
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: sense that they've collected a lot of revenue from tariffs,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: and they've also attracted trillions of dollars of investment, but.
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: The cost is that consumers are paying.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: So it's all very well and good to say I've
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: had this much investment and we've collected x more in taxes.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: But if the entire population of the US, the three
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: hundred million, is paying an extra x amount in their
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: their average supermarket shop or whatever, unless that is less
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: than that, and unless they're directly benefiting from those investments,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, do people feel like they're really benefiting from
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: the government getting more revenue, then all that's for nought anyway.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: And so I think we forget sometimes because Trump is
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: so fun and so entertaining, and the stuff he says,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: is so reportable all the way around the world.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: We forget that the one thing.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: That drove Joe Biden from office wasn't that he was
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: a you know, and again for the people on the right,
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: it's great fun to make fun to look at his
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: ridiculous mental decline and the Democrats tying themselves in not
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: trying to pretend that, you know, black is white and
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: that everything's fine. Nothing to see here, move on. The
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: average American. They didn't give a really, they didn't really
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: give a rats about where Biden was compassmentus or not.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: All they cared about was whether or not they were
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: better off than they were when he was elected. And
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: the vastment majority of enough felt severely worse off. And
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: they basically listened to Trump's advice to black people the
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: last time, which is, how could it get any worse?
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: And so they voted for him, and indeed it has
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: just got worse. So this is the one thing that
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: is going to hurt him more than anything else. He
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: could deliver peace in the Middle East, but if he
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: can't get the cost of living down, the number one
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: issue that brought down Joe Biden, then he is going
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: down to well.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I should put it out.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: It's not all bad news for Trump in terms of
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: where people trust the most. For Republicans, they trust them
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: on securing the border, dealing with illegal aliens, reducing crime,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: and reducing the deficit.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Where they trust.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Democrats are in the sort of luxury areas of climate change,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: reducing the cost of health care, which of course just
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: means using public money and making things more affordable, which
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: typically mean making things more affordable via public subsidies. Anyway,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: so you mentioned the Middle East, Trump's foreign policy is
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: not really getting in that much popularity in the US.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Only thirty seven percent of Americans believe that Trump has
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: made the world safer, thirty seven percent say he's made
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: it more dangerous, and the rest sure. So he's not
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: domestically winning, That's right.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: And the weird thing with being president of the United States,
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: about two thirds of your job is foreign policy. Most
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: of the domestic stuff is handled by the States. But
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: of course, you know you've got to win in America,
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: and Trump is deliberately went to the polls on America
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: First agenda. I'm not going to get involved in all
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: these crappy Middle East conflicts that have suckered US in
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: for so many decades, and so again that's what I'm
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: literally saying. He's done a great job in the Middle
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: East and has done what probably no other human being,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: let alone US president, could have done.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: But that's not going to win in votes at.
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: High And it is a worry because if you look
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: at the New York.
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: Mayoralty election with Zorn Mum Danny, he did campaign classic
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: left wing policies that were all centered around cost of living.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: The Democrats have learnt their lass and they know that
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: I'm going to win on culture wars or cultural Marxism,
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: but they may actually win on economic which is hardly
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: any better but definitely something that the Republicans have to
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: deal with.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the good news for the Republicans is that the
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Democrats know and you see the way they're starting to
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: eat their own here with the lockdown. You've got left
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: wing Democrats attacking Chuck Schumer negotiating a compromise. New York
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: is a very different fish, obviously from the rest of
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: the country, the so called fly of estate. So if
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: people in the Midwestern Swing states, for example, look at
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: Zorn and Maandani and say, oh, that's what the Democrats
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: are like now, that I think helps the Republicans a
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: lot more than the Democrats anyway.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Now I sound like Chadlikadello, but it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Was announced today that Australia will not be hosting the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: COP thirty one Climate Conference in Adelaide after all, which
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: comes as a surprise because we've been told for the
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: last number of weeks that the Albanese government was quote
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: fighting hard and.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: In it to win it and had majority support.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: That was right up until today when Anthony Albanezi announced
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: that we would allow Turkey to host the summit next year,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: his Crispowen looking a little disappointed.
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: It would be great if Australia could have it all,
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: but we can't have it all. As COMP President of Negotiations,
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: I would have all the powers of the COMP Presidency
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: to manage to handle the negotiations to a point, CO facilitators,
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: to repair draft text and.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: To issue the cover a decision.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Now overall, I think maybe Anthony Albaneze might be kind
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: of secretly pleased that we're not hosting this. If he'd
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: really wanted it, I don't know why he wouldn't have
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: gone to Brazil himself to get it pushed.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Over the line. But can you imagine how.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Awkward it would have been next year, with power prices
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: continuing to rise, for our government to spend two billion
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: dollars of public money on a two week talk fest
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: for the global elite to lecture us on how we
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: need to suffer more with rising power prices. And remember
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Penny Wong was interviewed was it last week on Insiders
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and was repeatedly asked is it going to cost two
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: billion dollars? And she would not bite at all, clearly
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: embarrassed about the cost and the look. So I wonder
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: if maybe Anthony Albaneze is not that disappointed.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: But Chris Bowen, did you hear there?
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: He talked about how worries at all bad news because
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Australia will have I will have all the power in
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: terms of facilitating the climate negotiations.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Chris Bowen still gets something out of it.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: He's like the kid that ran for school captain but
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: he only got like a junior prefect position. And now
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: he's like, but don't worry, guys, it's actually really important position.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: I'm going to have all the powers to negotiate, except
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: negotiate us actually.
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: Hosting the conference.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: So I may have failed, but every other power I have.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: I've got that power. I mean, come on, so embarrassing,
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: but yeah, for the good of Australia, it's good we
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: did not get saddled into hosting this conference. I mean,
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: the logistics of it alone.
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: Were going to be a nightmare.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: Tens of thousands of delegates would have gone to Adelaide,
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: but did not have the capacity to host that many people.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: They would have had to cap the number of people
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: that could have attended. It was going to cost up
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: to two billion dollars. They've already spent millions trying to
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: secure this bid. Between all the flying to Cop thirty,
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: sending mayors all over the place, Adelaide's been making preparations
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: for this thing, it would have been an absolute nightmare.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I reckon, You're right, Alban Easiest secretly like
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: judgetable at there.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, this is a good fight to lose.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: I think there's for anyone who, for any normal punter
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: who sort of thinks, yeah, I believe should do something
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: about climate change. The absolute worst possible advertisement for that, yeah,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: is all these billionaire and government leaders flying all over
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: the world, sometimes in private jets, to these big talk
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: fest where they will clap each.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Other on the back and tell everyone else what they
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: have to do. And again I'd say, this is someone
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: with a.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: Lot of my closest friends who are currently in Brazil,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: and I hope you're doing well, but it is a
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: terrible look for the average partner. I may imagine being
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: someone who thinks you're going to lose your job in
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: a smelter or a coal mine because of what's happening
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: here and seeing this stuff, so I think it's good
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: to lose. I can understand why Malaanauscus wanted it so
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: bad because it would have been great for Adelaide. It's
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: basically a two billion dollar in jecturism in investment fund,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: but for the gunment, like Doylan does get quite a
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: bit of power. If he really does get this presidency,
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: that is a sweet, sweet deal. And he also gets
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: like a Turkish president to organize all the logistics so
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: he doesn't even.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Have to worry about paperwork. You can just looking and
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: do this.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: But even that is that not going to be a
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: bad look for or an easy line of attack for
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee. Power prices are going through the roofs. The
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: grid is unstable, and where's the Energy minister, he's overseas
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: all the time, all these conferences for the elite or
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: what about us at home?
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: That it all depends on power prices to do it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: And it's absolutely true that the way that the Liberals
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: best handel this is just not talk about climate change,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: making a debate about power prices, and you know, the
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: government will hope on a wing in a prayer that
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: it comes down. But the weirdness of cop is that
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: and the way I understand it is that everyone's expected
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: to play nice and basically agree on a consensus position.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: Obviously we all not came out of Turkey and Adelaide,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: and Turkey was just refusing to budge, refusing to back out.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: So it may well be in the government had the
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: government could have support of one hundred and ninety nine countries,
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: but if it doesn't have two hundred, then that's not
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: consensus and that means instead of the country with the
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: most support getting it, it actually defaults to bond. The
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: former capital in West Germany before the war came down.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: And so either way, even if Australia said no, we're
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: not going to roll over, we still wouldn't have gone.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, very interesting, Well, another interesting thing, and I think
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: this plays on what you were just saying there, Joe.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: People feel heard by the political establishment at the moment
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: on climate and energy bills, but also now on immigration.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: Immigration has officially taken over climate change as a top
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: concern for people. It is now the fourth highest concern
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: for voters, while climate change and the environment has fallen
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: to sixth place. At the same time, we've seen one
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: nation's polling searched by eleven percent since the election. It's
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: now sitting at around seventeen point five percent according to
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: this latest poll, and I think I mean staggering numbers there.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: And of course immigration does link to everything. Cost of
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: living and housing are still the top two issues. But
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: if you're a liberal party or even one nation or
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: a right wing party looking at how you capitalize on
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: this for the next election, you can basically realistically make
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: the argument that immigration is pushing up your cost of living.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: It's certainly pushing up housing costs. It's linked to a
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: lot of the economic pain you're feeling as a household.
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: So I think, yes, it's interesting that immigration has taken
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: over climate but it probably under reports still the level
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: of concern out there and the true impact it's having
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: on people well.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Cost of living relates both to immigration and to declimate
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: fantasy that our government keeps pushing. So I would have
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: thought it's pretty easy for the Liberal Party to continually
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: hammer cost of living as the key concern for Australians.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: According to the polls, it is, and what's causing it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: The government's obsession with renewables and with high immigration and
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: one nation have gone ballistic in the polls because that
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: has been their consistent message for the longest time, and
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the sooner Susan Lee gets on message. And for me,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the danger for the Liberal Party is that they will
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: be too distracted with a million other things. Tony Abott
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: was successful because he chose one or two things and
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: he just hammered it over and over again until eventually
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that's all Australians heard and they voted accordingly.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: I think Susan Lee should do the same.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's abolutely.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I mean the golden rule is that when people are
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: doing well and they do think more long term, they think, oh, yeah,
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: we should do something about climate change, or yes, we
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: should share our magnificent bounty with our friends and loved
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: ones from across the world and get the skilled workers
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: in the babba. When people are struggling and feeling on
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: a huge pressure, they wanted to stop.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: They're angry and they want someone to blame.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: If the coalition or one nation or whoever it may be,
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: you can say, yes, this is all the fault of
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: high immigration, or this is all the fault of climate change.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: I think that is a risk for the government. I'm
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: not sure still how much most people actually do believe that,
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: And it may well be that things get worse and
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: people do start to believe it. But there are ways,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: you know, we forget that. There are also arguments against
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: both those things as well. Like one of the biggest
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: cohorts of skilled workers we're bringing in as Indian housing
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: workers to build more houses. And you can say it's
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: chicken and egg. We need more houses because we're getting
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: more people, But the truth is we need more age
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: care workers for example.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: We need to put them somewhere, But it is.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: It is basically who will be able to sort of
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: hang that millstone around the neck of whom and that
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: is the coalition's only way up.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: But it's a very very long way.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Before we go to a break.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: You'd have heard that expression reality comes at you fast. Well,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: for no one faster than liberal opposition leader here in
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: New South Wales, Mark Speakman, or should I say format leader.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Just this morning he was saying he would have to
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: be blasted out of his leadership position, and well by
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the afternoon he was gone.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Here's some of what he had to say today.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: It's clear, after conversations I've had since this morning's media events,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: that many of my colleagues now want to see a change.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Politics is rough, politics is brutal, politics is savage. You
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: know that when you become a first term opposition.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Leader, you know what the odds are. You know what
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: you're getting into.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a happier guy who's just been dumped.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's all smiles and happy.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing about that, and I watched that speech.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: He blamed the federal government for his unpopularity. Just the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: other week, he blamed his colleagues for not working hard
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: enough for his unpopularity. He blamed his colleagues for not
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  Speaker 2: agreeing with him that they need to talk about multiculturalism
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: and young people and women and net zero enough.
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  Speaker 3: Even at that moment.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Where he's leaving his office, he was blaming everybody except
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: himself popular as to why he's no longer the leader.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: He just never took responsibility. It was always other people.
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  Speaker 6: And also where was that jovial spirit the last year
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: and a half. Maybe if we'd seen some more personality
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: and some more fun and maybe just frankly life out
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: of the opposition leader's offers, he would have done better.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: But I think look hopefully a new day for the
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: New South Wales Liberals, but I'm not so sure.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Well here's a little of what Barbaby Joyce had to
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: say about the former Liberal leader of New South Wales.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Mark wasn't going to far, was he.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: It's like it was like a truck on the side
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: of the road with flat tires, lots of potential, but
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: not traveling anywhere.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Barnabie Joyce does have a way with words, he certainly does.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
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  Speaker 2: including Peter Costello chastise as the Productivity Commission for not
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: telling the government the truth.
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  Speaker 3: That's coming out next. All right, welcome back to the program.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Some great stories in tomorrow's papers and Freyer not least
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: in the Australian tomorrow.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, let's kick it off.
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  Speaker 6: The headline that caught our eye was judge pans PM
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: over deflection. A former Supreme Court judge says the Prime
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: Minister seems incapable of grasping the difference between Brittany Higginson's
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: rape and has since discredited claim of a political cover up,
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: as Linda Reynolds warn that Anthony Albanezi could face legal
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: consequences over his tense performance at a press conference in
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: Perth on Wednesday, and Susan Lee has joined growing calls
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: for the Albanese government to properly address the findings from
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: the judgment of the Federal Court and Supreme Court, which
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: had forensically examined the issues raised by miss Higgins. Look,
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: we've seen a series of these articles calling out the
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: mean girls, Katie Gallagher, Penny Wong and their involvement in
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: perpetuating the idea that really I think was a factor
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: in the rise of the teals and the branding of
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: Scott Morrison. Is this anti woman prime minister and it
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: was all based around and now as the courts are
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: found discredited lie that there was a political cover up.
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: So if Anthony ALBINIZI has a shred of credibility, which
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying he does, but if he did, he
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: would confront the lies that they have peddled about Linda
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: Reynolds and about Scott Morrison for the last three four
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: five years.
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  Speaker 2: In the comments of this judge related to an interview
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi did the other day where he was asked
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: about the claims of a cover up which are now
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: completely discredited, and he completely dismissed that, simply focusing on
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the fact that rape was a very serious issue. And
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: that's all I have to say. Hence the judge saying,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: anthey or butan easy not differentiate. There's two issues here. Yes,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: the rape issue, no one's arguing about that anymore.
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  Speaker 4: But the.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Assertion that there had been a government cover up that
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: is very much a live issue and Linda Reynolds is
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: not going away.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to put it sort of bluntly in
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: the crudest political terms. It is in no way in
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: the PM's interest to differentiate between those two issues. And
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: I don't think, of course he knows the difference, but
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: he also is deliberately trying to muddy the waters because
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: and again for all that I love the PM labor
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: and those senators were incredibly foolish, incredibly foolish, and I
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: think in a lot of ways just lacking him basic
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: human empathy to do what they did. The footage of
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: them continuing to attack Lynna Reynolds in a Senate committee hearing,
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: even after she'd admitted that she had been in rehab
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: for mental health issues because of the trauma of this, and.
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  Speaker 4: Then it's like, how dare you accuse me of putting
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: you in rehab?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, and I hated from day one in
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: this story in particular, but others like it. The politicization
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: of the weaponization of a sexual assault, the exploitation of
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Britney Higgins by others around her for their own various
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: political or media purposes. It just stunk to high heaven
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: from the very very beginning, and we are now seeing that,
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: like a giant fireball, it is consuming every single person
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: who touched it, and now those three senators or the
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: two who are still there, are being sucked into that vortex.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: But the thing with Albot is incredibly loyal, and he's
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: particularly you know, he likes Cadie Gallagher, and he won't
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: he trusts them and he will stick by them, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: that to me as an admirable quality.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: It would be more admirable if he was loyal to
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: the truth.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you could say that I'm a pick and stick
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: kind of guy, but yes, he does know the truth.
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: But he doesn't want to admit the truth. That's what's happening.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: And speaking of the truth someone else he doesn't want
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: to admit the Productivity Commission. In tomorrow's paper, Costello slams
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: PC for failing nation. Former Liberal Treasurer Peter Costello has
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: accused the Productivity Commission of failing to use its statutory
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: independence to tell inconvenient truths to the Albanesi government about
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: the causes of the nations of the nation's waning productivity,
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: declaring the agency had become politically correct, blaming the R
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: Kane awards system for a raft of big employees underpaying workers.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: Mister Costello is questioning why participants at the government's recent
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: productivity reform roundtable did not raise the impact of workplace
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: relations policy on productivity. I mean, this has been the
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: thing with the Productivity Commission really since labor took government
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: very silent on the cost of net zero and the
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: impact of renewables on the economy, very silent on workplace relations,
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: and the increased power that the unions now hold. You
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: do have to wonder are they truly independent or do
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: they just want more funding from the government and don't
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: want to bite the hand that feeds them.
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  Speaker 5: I think we're missing the real story here, which is,
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: as you said. Peter Costello has accused the Productivity Commission
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: of becoming too politically correct.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: PC says PC is PC.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: See this is why you should be writing headlines in
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the Australian rule.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this. That would have worked just to
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: give me anyway. The other big.
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  Speaker 5: Story, can I say?
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Crime is all over?
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: The big sporting story on the front page of the
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Odds tomorrow sheets is all through the data every single meeting.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: Can we do more sport?
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: Highly invested in the Ashes this year. I will be
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: following it along extremely closely.
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: And the headline tomorrow is rising for the Ashes, the
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: resurrection of Steve Smith.
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: That's a name you'll remember.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: In November twenty eighteen, former Australian captains In Chappelle and
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: Mark Taylor sat in Channel nine Sydney studios and mused
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: on air about one of their kind exiled skipper Steve Smith.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: The stench of the Newland scandal from March was still
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: strong in the nostrils. Smith, along with the co accused
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: Dave Warner and Cameron Bancroft, had been dispatched to the
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: outer with the lengthy suspensions. Taylor was typically upbeat in
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: the tea leaves. He saw redemption for Steve Smith, not Chappelle. Well,
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: Steve Smith is back, but no one will be forgetting
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: this awkward, sad and iconic moment when he got caught
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: and had to apologize.
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: For sandpapering the ball. He was that infamous press conference.
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: I'll do everything I can to make up for my
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: mistake and the damage it's caused. If any good can
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: come of this, if there can be a lesson to others,
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: then I hope I can be a force for change.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: And so Steve Smith will captain the Australian side tomorrow
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: because Pat Cummins is injured. And I think it's fantastic.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Because he did the wrong thing, he owned it. He
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: didn't blame anybody else. That tearful press conference. I'll never
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: forget it. He took responsibility, and years on he's been
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: reinstated as captain redemption. I think it's a good thing
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and I wish him all the best on FRODA.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: And it's incredibly sort of historic moment that no one
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: thought would ever come. Very very moving to say, A
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: profound tribute paid to Steve Smith by his colleague David Warner,
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: who of course was the ringleader in the sandpaper gate
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: scandal that brought Steve Smith down, and Dave Warner very
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: graciously said there was nothing wrong with his captaincy style,
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: but he only saw the game through a batter's lens
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: and it annoyed the bowlers. Maybe that's why they had
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: to take the ball with a bit of sticky a
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: guy David Warner, who's classy to the last.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Fantastic stuff Anyway.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: I have a daily telegraphed tomorrow, massive story, obviously the
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: only story in town going in for the kel Get
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: it because it's Kelly Sloane who rises as LIB leader
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: finally falls on his sword. Former journalist and businesswoman Kelly
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: Sloane will assume the new South Wales leadership today unopposed
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: in a party room meeting after Mark's Speakman sensationally resigned
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: yesterday her factional opponent Alistair Henskins last night revealed to
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: the Daily Telegraph he would not challenge her. That is
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: a shrewd political call from Alistair Henskins. I would have thought,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: what would I do that if the actual leader of
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: the opposition isn't going to be They're pretty sure.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: All right, let's quickly go to the Gold Coast bulletin.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Another kill case reads the headline. Accused ringleader hit with
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: additional charges. Now this relates to a man accused of
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: selling a whale euthanasia drug to people so he could
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: end their lives.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: He's been hit with nine.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Additional charges, including aiding the death of an elderly man.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Last year.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Police will alledge that David Daniel Taylor set up a
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: registered charity to euthanize beached whales, but instead sold the
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: drugs to vulnerable people.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: That case continues. We're going to go to a break.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Have you ever booked a seat on an airline and
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: you thought you were sitting on the window, only to
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: find there was no window, just a wall. Well, some
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: American flyers are very upset about this and it's.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: Going to court.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that at the moment. Welcome back to
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: the program. Just quickly before the break, when we were
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: reading from tomorrow's headlines, I said that the name of
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: the accused in the whale euthanasia case was David. It's not,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: it's Brett Daniel Taylor. Just to be clear on that,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: all right, If you're a regular fly, you'll know how
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: wonderful it is to get a window seat, and oftentimes
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: you'll pay a bit extra to sit on a window.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: But then you get there and there's no window. It's
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: just a wall.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Well, a group of very frustrated flyers in the US
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: have launched a class action against Delta and United Airlines,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: claiming that it's false advertising. The airline is asking the
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: judge to dismiss the case, arguing that a seat next
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: to a window means a wall, it doesn't necessarily mean
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: a view, and they claim everybody understands that. I think
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: that's an absolute croc. When you book a window seat,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: you expect a window. They should tell you there's no window,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: it's a wall when you book it.
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: No, when you book a window seat, you book to
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: be in that position next to the wall, which may
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: have a window. Yeah, but no, but everyone knows not
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: every single seat it has a window, but you want
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: to be on that side, so maybe you don't have
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: another person.
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: Next to you. This is just so vexatious as.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: To you, what do you like to clstrophobic and you
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: want you want to view because it helps you to
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: breathe and maintain new cars.
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: So maybe they need another tier, which is a view seats.
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: That might be what they have to do next.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: But let's move over to Yeah, I've had a lot
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: of people at homegoing f you.
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: Let's move over to Russia.
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: Now you might remember a couple of weeks ago we
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: covered this story of a robot that fell on its face.
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: Have a look.
• 47:30
  Speaker 10: Russia has unveiled its first humanoid AI robot, but its
• 47:34
  Speaker 10: grand revealed didn't exactly go to plan. During its unveiling
• 47:37
  Speaker 10: in Moscow, the robot, named Adol attempted to raise its
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: arm to wave at the audience, but lost its balance
• 47:43
  Speaker 10: and toppled over on stage.
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: It needed a couple of real humans to help it up.
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: It looks like there are some things robots can't do,
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: after all.
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: It's kind of an uncanny similarity with Joe Biden in
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: that robot right there.
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: But the developers have been.
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: Busy and they have fixed the bull whatever was going on,
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: and now it's been presented to putin.
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: For Colestos, a personally intense and.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: Which so it's evolved from sleepy Joe to dancing Trump
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: rallies with the little dance on the Rush.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: The first one, anyway, was that franken Furder from the
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: Rocky Horror Picture Show.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: It looked like I was going to do a strip tease.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: It's been drinking vodka.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: Then they pulled the like like the horses at the
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: Melbourne Cup. Oh no, it's fine, it's fine, It's just sleepy.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: And finally, it's very.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Difficult to know how to place this in context because
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: there is no context. But basically, the Simpsons is a
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: massive character in a Killer More video game called Fortnite,
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: and now there's a flock of Homers in Santa Monica.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: So yeah, a bunch of real life Homer Simpsons decided
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: to do a flash mob some posh town in California
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: because they're a really popular video game character.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: I'm just something you said in real life Simpsons. That's
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: it from us. Coming up is the reader Peehy Show.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Good Night