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Mishlei 27:1 - Don't Boast About Tomorrow · The Mishlei Podcast

0:21
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so finally we're at the first Monday Night Misley here of the season.
0:25
SPEAKER_05: Very late start.
0:26
SPEAKER_05: Uh it's just one of these years where everything fell out on Monday or the day before Monday.
0:31
SPEAKER_05: Uh, but we're back.
0:32
SPEAKER_05: Um, so I have a little preface here, okay, because we're starting a new chapter, but it's not just any old new chapter.
0:37
SPEAKER_05: So here's my preface uh is the sections of Mishlei.
0:41
SPEAKER_05: Okay, we've kind of talked about this before, but I think it's a good time for a review.
0:45
SPEAKER_05: All right.
0:45
SPEAKER_05: So the way I see it, and this is um you can you can debate this, but I think it's like you can make Michle into more sections or fewer sections, but there's definitely at least three sections of Mishlay.
0:58
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
0:59
SPEAKER_05: There's the introduction, which is chapters one through nine, or sorry, there's one through nine, ten through twenty four, and then twenty five through twenty nine.
1:07
SPEAKER_05: I'll tell you why I say that this is uh objective, because chapter one begins Mishle Shlomo ben David Melchisrael, the the Proverbs of Solomon, um, son of David, king of Israel.
1:20
SPEAKER_05: Chapter 10 belong uh starts with, and then chapter 25 starts with Gon Ela Mishlesshlomo.
1:29
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so there's at least those three.
1:32
SPEAKER_05: Arguably, there's another section that begins somewhere in uh 22, I think.
1:40
SPEAKER_05: Maybe uh that one is less clear.
1:43
SPEAKER_05: Um, and to me, it does fit into the rest of the Mishlei and is no new new thing.
1:48
SPEAKER_05: Then there's what I so I call one through nine the introduction.
1:51
SPEAKER_05: I call 10 through 24 the core of Mishlay, 25 through 29 I call the second core, and you'll see why it's core but not the same.
1:59
SPEAKER_05: And then I call it 30 through 319.
2:02
SPEAKER_05: I call wacky Mishle because that's how it feels.
2:04
SPEAKER_05: Uh, it is a weird style, it's weird metaphors, weird proverbs, weird people.
2:10
SPEAKER_05: Um, so that are debatable whether that's its own section, and then and it starts off also with a weird uh intro is divri agur binyake, Hamasa um hagever li itel li it el v uchal, which are all like weird names, which are either nicknames for shlomo or um I mean it's not all names, the words of agur binyake, which literally means the gatherer, the son of the vomiter.
2:35
SPEAKER_05: Okay, uh that's if you take it literally, Hamasa, the vision, um hagever, uh the statement or as stated by the man, Etiel to EtiL, to Etiel and to Uhal.
2:46
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so these are just weird names.
2:47
SPEAKER_05: And then the last part of Michle is 31, Suckim 10 through 31, which is the conclusion, which uh is better known as Aisha Skyle, uh woman of valor.
2:56
SPEAKER_05: Um okay, so the reason why we're doing this intro now is oh, so in the little code here, so the bold are all the chapters that I have uh recordings on.
3:06
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so I have recordings on chap all the Psukim chapters 10 through 24 and chapter 25, and then the conclusion.
3:14
SPEAKER_05: So um I give two regular Mishlei Sheerim uh throughout the year, uh not counting high school.
3:19
SPEAKER_05: Chapter 26 is what I'm doing with my morning Mishlay shear.
3:22
SPEAKER_05: And then what we're gonna do tonight, or uh sorry, in Monday night mishlay shear is chapter 27.
3:28
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so that's why I wanted to go over um just a brief overview of what chapter 25, uh sorry, of what the second core of Mishlei is um and why it's gonna feel different uh and how it's gonna be the same.
3:38
SPEAKER_05: Okay, but it'll feel a little bit different.
3:40
SPEAKER_05: So let's just start off again.
3:41
SPEAKER_05: We're we're we'll we'll get to our usual analysis later on.
3:43
SPEAKER_05: This is more of just like a factual factual intro.
3:45
SPEAKER_05: Uh, you can ask questions if you have them, but uh we're not gonna dwell on this.
3:48
SPEAKER_05: Um, so 25 starts off Gam Ele Mishle, Asher Hetiku, Anshe Hiskia Mel Chihuda.
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SPEAKER_05: So these two are the proverbs of Solomon that were transcribed by the men of Hiskiahu, King of Yehuda.
4:01
SPEAKER_05: Okay, oh, I actually meant to do this.
4:03
SPEAKER_05: Hold on.
4:03
SPEAKER_05: So if you look at timeline, I just yeah, so I made this timeline of, say, from Malachim earlier.
4:10
SPEAKER_05: Rifki, I don't know if you were in my Malachim class.
4:12
SPEAKER_05: I can't remember which class you were in.
4:14
SPEAKER_05: Um, but we this is if you were there, you would have used this.
4:18
SPEAKER_05: Obviously, I don't think you were.
4:19
SPEAKER_05: Um, so uh this is my little timeline of the kings uh of the unified kingdom, and then when it's split into the kingdom of Yehuda and the Kingdom of Israel, uh, and the color code is blue is super righteous kings, white is you know righteous, but not super righteous, or they had you know flaws, and then dark gray is evil.
4:41
SPEAKER_05: Oops sorry, and then um sorry, gray is evil, and then very dark gray is very evil.
4:46
SPEAKER_05: So you have here Shlomo Melech, who reigned uh after David, his uh his father, and then you have all the way down here.
4:55
SPEAKER_05: Okay, um, so that's however you want to add uh 16 plus 16 plus 52 plus 29 plus 40 plus six plus one plus eight plus twenty-five plus twenty forty-one plus three plus seventeen uh years after Shlomo.
5:07
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so long time afterwards, all right.
5:09
SPEAKER_05: Um, in the second half of the of the kingdom, all right.
5:12
SPEAKER_05: So the question is like, what does it mean?
5:16
SPEAKER_05: These two are the Mishlei Shlomo that were copied or transcribed by the Men of Huskyado.
5:22
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so what yeah, what does that mean?
5:24
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so um there are different answers, but the answer I want to show now is in reference to a different Pasukan Mishle.
5:33
SPEAKER_05: Uh, we did we spent, I think, four sessions on this last year.
5:36
SPEAKER_05: Uh, this is the Rahmam's favorite Pasukan Mishle, maybe, okay, because he says this is a puzzle to understand all metaphors uh in in in Torah um and even in chazal.
5:44
SPEAKER_05: Tapuchi Zahav Bamaskios Kasif Davar Davor Al-Ufnav.
5:49
SPEAKER_05: Uh that's Mishlay 2511, okay, which is hard to translate.
5:52
SPEAKER_05: The translation we're going with is like golden apples and silver filigree, an utterance spoken, and then this is the hard part, al-ofnav, which means on its facets, in its dimensions, in its manners, hard to tell what that is.
6:06
SPEAKER_05: The picture is also very difficult to get.
6:08
SPEAKER_05: So this was uh 2025 uh ChatGPT rendition of it.
6:13
SPEAKER_05: Um I'm sure I could do better now.
6:15
SPEAKER_05: Um, but it's like this.
6:17
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so you have golden apples uh and in silver filigree.
6:21
SPEAKER_05: Filigree is this like ornate sort of casing.
6:24
SPEAKER_05: Um, and um it is actually, I think, thicker filigree than this.
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SPEAKER_05: Um, but it is filigree, in other words, the idea is if you look at it from far away, it looks like you're looking at silver apples.
6:36
SPEAKER_05: But then if you look at it up close, you can see, oh, the silver is just a casing.
6:40
SPEAKER_05: And the casing, since it's filigree or lattice work, it lets you see the gold through it.
6:45
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
6:46
SPEAKER_05: So what does this mean?
6:47
SPEAKER_05: So in many of the approaches to Michle, there are at least two layers to Michle.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay, there's the silver layer and there's the gold layer.
6:57
SPEAKER_05: The one we're most familiar with is the Mi'iri, who says who calls the silver layer the nigla, which is the uh overt or revealed uh approach to Michlay.
7:07
SPEAKER_05: And then the gold is the NISTA, which is the hidden uh uh approach to Mishlay.
7:12
SPEAKER_05: Okay, or you could call it the, you know, the silver is the exoteric and the gold is the esoteric.
7:17
SPEAKER_05: All right.
7:18
SPEAKER_05: And the way the Miri learns it, you know, the when we we often do the Miri here, is that the outer layer, the silver layer, is advice about decision making that usually pertains to uh success in this world.
7:31
SPEAKER_05: So, you know, maximizing wealth and honor and enjoyment and minimizing harmful consequences and unpleasant experiences.
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SPEAKER_05: So that's like material success.
7:41
SPEAKER_05: And then the gold layer is success of the soul.
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SPEAKER_05: So success in learning, in perfecting yourself, in knowledge of metaphysics, so things that have to do with your soul.
7:50
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
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SPEAKER_05: So with that in mind, here's the Mi'iri's interpretation of what the difference is between Mishlei in the second core and the other parts of Mishlay.
8:01
SPEAKER_05: Okay, and this is what I wanted to focus on.
8:02
SPEAKER_05: You'll see why in a second.
8:03
SPEAKER_05: So he says, Ba uhina Milas Gam.
8:07
SPEAKER_05: So the word here also comes um Lahoros to teach or to indicate Sha'afa Pi, Shaanshahu, Khisfiya Hayuhama tikim, that even though the the men of Chiskyahu's court were the transcribers of Alhamchader Haishlamo, the author was Solomon.
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SPEAKER_05: Vene, shalom nichtubu dvarov, basefer ze ad dorosh al Khiskiahu.
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SPEAKER_05: It seems that the the words in this book, meaning uh this part of Ishlay, were not written until the generation of Chiskyahu, Shai sub behem Khachma Yiserah, which was a very uh wise generation.
8:37
SPEAKER_05: They had a lot of wisdom in them.
8:38
SPEAKER_05: Vyastu Kama Dvarim, and they established many things.
8:41
SPEAKER_05: I don't know if that means they established many proverbs or or uh set up other wisdom things.
8:49
SPEAKER_05: And they found these statements in scrolls from the wisdom of Shlomo, the Hatikum, and they transcribed them, the Hibrum, and they compiled them, Imshar Dvaravanim, along with the rest of the words of Shlomo.
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SPEAKER_05: So basically, you have um chapters one through 24 are the proverbs of Shlomo.
9:06
SPEAKER_05: He came up with them and he wrote them down.
9:08
SPEAKER_05: And then apparently you had these other scattered proverbs that were in these other scrolls that were not discovered until the time of Christ Kiahu, and they basically edited them.
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SPEAKER_05: They transcribed them and edited them and compiled them along with the rest of Nishlay.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay.
9:21
SPEAKER_05: Now, so far you might be saying, like, okay, well, what's the difference?
9:23
SPEAKER_05: What's the big deal?
9:24
SPEAKER_05: Like, fine, it's like extra mishlate, but not just extra mishlaid.
9:27
SPEAKER_05: Became Hakakam Legalus Vze Hailik Hachiluk Dvarim Dichbarim.
9:31
SPEAKER_05: So the the the the wise man, presumably that Shlomo, intended to reveal in this uh in this um section, I guess, uh weighty matters.
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SPEAKER_05: Ubao ahadzah Shuh Badvarov, and he basically said them in the way that he was accustomed to wrote Slomar, Derek Nigel, Badirek Nestor, in the two layers, in the overt way and the hidden way.
9:52
SPEAKER_05: Now here's the line: the Hirchiv Bahem Nikteh Hamaskis Burmazim Vichidos.
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SPEAKER_05: He widened in them the holes of the filigree with hints and riddles.
10:03
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so just to recap here, okay, so um let's just do a summary here.
10:08
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so summary is um all of Shlomo's proverbs uh have two layers, okay.
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SPEAKER_05: Uh silver, which is the uh which we're calling the nigle, which is the uh surface level, uh, which is like uh decision making for sorry, decision making for material success.
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SPEAKER_05: Um uh or let's say like success in the physical and psychological, and gold, which is the NISTR or the hidden, oh I forgot to do uh the exoteric, and then this is the esoteric, uh, which is um decision making for success in matters of the soul, okay, like uh you know knowledge, um perfection, uh, you know, metaphysics, uh, etc.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay, so that's all of Shlomo's things.
11:09
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
11:10
SPEAKER_05: Uh chapters 25 plus, okay.
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SPEAKER_05: I don't know where he holds that this section ends, um uh were authored by Shlomo, but transcribed, edited.
11:21
SPEAKER_05: I'm saying edited because they like you know decided how to to place them and compiled by Hiski Yu's cord.
11:30
SPEAKER_05: Okay, now this is the part that I'm not sure about, okay?
11:34
SPEAKER_05: They widened the holes of uh sorry, the holes of the filigree, okay, uh, with hints and riddles.
11:44
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
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SPEAKER_05: So the question is like like did they do this, you know, on top of what Shlomo had already formulated or or what, you know?
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SPEAKER_05: And then the other question is like, and what does this mean practically for us when we're learning it?
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SPEAKER_05: Okay.
12:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:07
SPEAKER_05: Uh Isaiah.
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SPEAKER_02: If they widen the holes, doesn't that mean like there's less filigree now?
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SPEAKER_02: Like it's easier to get to the inside?
12:16
SPEAKER_05: Right.
12:16
SPEAKER_05: It's easier to get from the filigree to the gold.
12:19
SPEAKER_05: That that's one way to take it, yeah.
12:22
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, um, yeah, Yeti.
12:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh from the fact that it says vihirhiv and not vehirchivu, who's the one who's doing the widening, the wise.
12:30
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's true.
12:31
SPEAKER_01: Maybe you're right.
12:31
SPEAKER_05: Maybe, yeah, maybe Shlomo did.
12:33
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's true.
12:33
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
12:34
SPEAKER_05: So yeah, yeah, sorry.
12:35
SPEAKER_05: So that answers that that answers that question.
12:37
SPEAKER_05: Right.
12:38
SPEAKER_05: Um, so now the only question is what, yeah, that was just a misreading on my part.
12:41
SPEAKER_05: Um, what does it mean uh practically?
12:45
SPEAKER_05: What what does what does this mean practically for us when we're learning?
12:49
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, uh Alex.
12:52
SPEAKER_12: Is there an automatic assumption that the hidden meaning is better or more important than the like the surface level one?
13:01
SPEAKER_05: Uh yes.
13:01
SPEAKER_05: Uh the the I think the Ramam talked about that the most, uh, that he says that um one mistake people make is they think that the gold is the only uh the only um like level that that there is.
13:13
SPEAKER_05: But the reason why uh Shlomo used gold and silver in this metaphor is because everyone knows that gold is more uh valuable than silver.
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SPEAKER_05: And if you kind of like stopped at the silver, you'd be you'd be kind of foolish to neglect the gold.
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SPEAKER_05: But the difference between Jewish proverbs and other proverbs, I'm just using his language, is that uh in other proverbs, there's not necessarily any meaning to the out external layer, there's only meaning to the internal layer, or there's just an external layer and there's no internal layer, but with with Mishla, you get both.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Yeti.
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SPEAKER_01: Um maybe one possibility of what it means practically.
13:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: In general, like from what we've done previously, well, so when the Uri has two layers, the second layer can sometimes feel a little more like speculative of how we're from the first layer.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, how do we apply the let's say the business idea, practical decision making to the spiritual stuff?
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm wondering if now we'll have like more of a clear path from the NISTR.
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SPEAKER_05: So in our experience, the the NISTA level often feels more speculative.
14:17
SPEAKER_05: Perhaps in these, uh it will it will be easier for us to um like uh uh arrive at what was intended by Shlomo.
14:31
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's a good that's a good possibility.
14:34
SPEAKER_05: Um I'm gonna add something that is not necessarily an answer to this question.
14:38
SPEAKER_05: I'll say it's partial answer though.
14:40
SPEAKER_05: So we've now in my Monday night, sorry, in my uh morning mission in Yeshiva, we spent all last year on 25.
14:47
SPEAKER_05: So we have had some experience, and what we found is at least in 25, um the the um formulation of the proverbs is much more straightforward.
15:02
SPEAKER_05: Okay, meaning like instead of feeling like a um a weirdly worded um cryptic statement, it comes across as either a straight up uh metaphor or a clear uh riddle.
15:24
SPEAKER_05: Okay, like you know, we often have like when we've learned, we've had like sometimes you don't even know how to how to like read it syntactically, but so far we found that these are very easy to read.
15:36
SPEAKER_05: And um and what we found is I what I feared was that oh, something's going on with my word.
15:41
SPEAKER_05: Hold on a second here.
15:42
SPEAKER_05: My word.
15:43
SPEAKER_05: Um hold on, I just gotta open it again.
15:47
SPEAKER_05: What I feared was that since they're worded in a more straightforward way, I thought that the uh analysis would not be as uh long or that the ideas would not be as deep.
15:58
SPEAKER_05: But so far we've been very, very pleasantly surprised.
16:01
SPEAKER_05: So um I think what's gonna what it's gonna feel like is that it's gonna feel like the Puss of, especially tonight, is much more simple, but I think the quality of the ideas is gonna be just as good.
16:13
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
16:14
SPEAKER_05: Um, so that was just our intro here.
16:15
SPEAKER_05: And again, if you want to uh uh more on this, uh especially listen to 2511 because we spent four sessions on that, uh going through different things, and there was a lot there and we didn't even get very far.
16:26
SPEAKER_05: We just like, you know, tried to like as much as we could.
16:29
SPEAKER_05: Okay, ready for tonight's bus-up.
16:31
SPEAKER_05: Um, the the challenge here is the commentators do not say a lot, and I'm pretty sure there are only three approaches.
16:40
SPEAKER_05: Okay, maybe, maybe four.
16:42
SPEAKER_05: So this might be a relatively short night, but it's a very good idea.
16:46
SPEAKER_05: In fact, arguably, this is one of the most important ideas in Mishlay in terms of things that stay stick with you.
16:51
SPEAKER_05: So, our goal is gonna be to get the main idea, but also to see if we can get any like nuances because it's very easy to just see that this is like a tried and true idea, and then just be like, okay, we're done, we got it.
17:01
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
17:02
SPEAKER_05: So Al tishal bion mahar, kilo seida ma ye led yom.
17:07
SPEAKER_07: How are you gonna translate that?
17:20
SPEAKER_02: Um don't uh praise Oh well, you shouldn't praise about tomorrow.
17:29
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so it's in reflexive.
17:32
SPEAKER_02: Don't praise yourself about tomorrow.
17:35
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, don't praise yourself about tomorrow.
17:38
SPEAKER_05: I mean, I think about uh it makes more sense.
17:40
SPEAKER_05: Don't not don't praise yourself.
17:42
SPEAKER_05: I mean literally don't praise yourself on tomorrow, but it can't mean don't do it when you're on tomorrow because then tomorrow's today.
17:47
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so like don't praise yourself about tomorrow.
17:54
SPEAKER_02: Um because you don't know what the day will give birth to.
17:59
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so you don't know what the day will um I'm gonna go like this.
18:04
SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna say give rise to because that sounds more natural, but then literally uh birth.
18:10
SPEAKER_05: Okay, like yelid is to give birth, like like uh childbirth.
18:14
SPEAKER_05: Okay, all right.
18:15
SPEAKER_05: So let's look at our minimalist commentators here.
18:18
SPEAKER_05: Um, so we have Mitsudas, let me make this a little bit bigger.
18:21
SPEAKER_05: Mitsudas David uh Zion says tishalel um is tishal is miloshum hilov the shabach is uh an expression of of you know praise and you know uh grand uh I don't know about praise and praise.
18:40
SPEAKER_05: I don't know how you translate hill hell and shabbach.
18:43
SPEAKER_05: I'll just say praise.
18:44
SPEAKER_05: Uh I feel like all the other words are reserved for other stuff like exaltation.
18:47
SPEAKER_05: Okay, and then yeled is he says in Yano mikret.
18:52
SPEAKER_05: It means by chance.
18:54
SPEAKER_05: Umedos Yako.
18:57
SPEAKER_05: Um uh or like by sorry, not by chance, but it means uh occurrence, okay.
19:03
SPEAKER_05: Uh not necessarily chance.
19:04
SPEAKER_05: Um, likewise in these are the occurrences or events of Yaakov.
19:12
SPEAKER_05: Um it uses the same word toldos, which literally means like offspring.
19:16
SPEAKER_05: And then he says, Ulfisha Hazman molid hakoros, amr yeledom.
19:20
SPEAKER_05: And since time gives birth to occurrences, um uh it says Yelid Yom.
19:29
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so he's uh he's saying it's a figure of speech uh because this stuff comes from uh you know time.
19:35
SPEAKER_05: Okay, fine.
19:36
SPEAKER_05: All right, then we got Sad Yagon in the Arabic, who says, Do not praise yourself about the day of tomorrow, for you do not know what will newly arise in it.
19:43
SPEAKER_05: Um so yihadith, I guess yihad, I don't know how to say it in Arabic, is uh in Hebrew Yih Yishadeshbo.
19:50
SPEAKER_05: So he uh Kathakh basically uh takes out the the the birthing analogy and just says will newly arise in it.
19:57
SPEAKER_05: Um okay, so that's uh Sadium.
20:00
SPEAKER_05: So that's that's not super uh new.
20:02
SPEAKER_05: Targum, uh the uh Aramaic translation says, Lo Tish Tabhar Gyoma Dilim delimakar, de lo yidat mnan yelid yoma.
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SPEAKER_05: Don't glorify yourself about the day of tomorrow, for you do not know what the day will give birth to.
20:13
SPEAKER_05: Okay, very similar.
20:14
SPEAKER_05: And then Mobim also just says, Um, Yelidom is Khorosasman Nikram Yeladav.
20:19
SPEAKER_05: The events of time are called its children.
20:21
SPEAKER_05: Okay, fine.
20:22
SPEAKER_05: Art scroll, do not boast about tomorrow, for you do not know what a day may bring.
20:25
SPEAKER_05: Great.
20:26
SPEAKER_05: Uh rehearsed, do not boast about the coming day, for you do not know what it may bring forth.
20:30
SPEAKER_05: Okay, great.
20:31
SPEAKER_05: Alter, do not boast about tomorrow, for you do not know what the day uh will bring forth.
20:35
SPEAKER_05: All right, so I think we're fine with just treating these all pretty much as the same.
20:39
SPEAKER_05: Uh, the only major difference is um is uh Side you go and takes out the birthing analogy.
20:45
SPEAKER_05: Uh, but I'm gonna go ahead and just put these in the chat.
20:47
SPEAKER_05: Uh I'll just put the three English translations here in the chat uh along with this.
20:51
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so what are the questions?
20:53
SPEAKER_05: Again, we're not gonna have a ton of questions.
20:54
SPEAKER_05: Ariel.
20:55
SPEAKER_08: Okay, so you you know, I I you know being commission-based in business, you know, I it it I feel like it speaks to me all the time.
21:05
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, okay, good.
21:06
SPEAKER_08: Because like like like we can go into contract, negotiating for two weeks, we're about to go in.
21:13
SPEAKER_08: I get a phone call saying, sorry, the deal's bad.
21:16
SPEAKER_08: You know, it's like so it's interesting because on one hand, like um it seems like at a certain point, it seems very obvious.
21:25
SPEAKER_08: Right, okay, to just not even like talk about what's gonna happen tomorrow.
21:29
SPEAKER_08: But at the same time, like why use the word praise?
21:34
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so that's one weird thing.
21:35
SPEAKER_05: Okay, right.
21:36
SPEAKER_05: So so this is this is this seems obvious.
21:38
SPEAKER_05: What is the kiddosh?
21:40
SPEAKER_05: What is the new insight?
21:41
SPEAKER_05: Okay, as we asked about every possible, that's the RL question.
21:44
SPEAKER_05: Okay, then um why use the phrase um uh you know uh tis halel?
21:51
SPEAKER_05: Okay, uh praise oneself.
21:55
SPEAKER_05: Okay, now you could say, like, is this just the normal biblical uh Hebrew way of saying boast?
22:05
SPEAKER_05: Uh you know, uh or is there some other implication or reason why he framed this as uh self praise?
22:17
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
22:18
SPEAKER_05: Uh I'm leaving that question intentionally open ended.
22:20
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
22:20
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
22:21
SPEAKER_05: guess just to flush up the question out a little bit more like yeah is it different you know like being practical okay like like this is how much you know uh money I'm gonna be making this year so I have to plan accordingly okay versus yeah I don't think so I I can see how that is uh an extension but I actually want to make this into a new question which is um where and how does one draw the line between um what this pasuk is telling us not to do and like you know being a mislaicom right uh you know uh in in the let's say in the sense of uh you know it's funny that in the Misley chakam uses the same word right uh the Gumar and Tiny says uh not Tiny Tamid Ezehu chakam ha roe es ha nolad right so which means um hold on a second this is in this is who is wise um one who sees the future occurrence uh right uh same route as you know that which will be born right or which is born really that which is is born no lad um and uh and yeah right so like you know uh how can you plan for the future without falling into this trap okay good all right so that that ended up being three questions all right yeah uh you'd see yeah um my assumption here is tis halel is like future tense and t das also future tense yeah so what is it it should say ki lo atalo yodaya that you don't you presently don't know why does it need to say oh okay you won't know my lady okay uh okay I'll ask that question I'm gonna treat this as a stylistic question because I'm not sure if maybe this is just a normal way to say it is uh why does it say Teda uh future second person all right you know will know well in this case you will not know uh instead oops sorry instead of uh kilo well how do you say you should say it something like yeah talo yode or ain't la dot something like that or something like that uh a talo yodea uh uh you know present uh second person you don't know since we're talking about what he does and doesn't know now not in the future yeah can I ask why you're characterizing this or categorizing it as a stylistic question yeah because I think that um that uh this is just what it means you don't know and you see that the English at least these English translators um also just take it as the present tense uh I don't know um uh enough about the difference in Aramaic and Judeo Arabic about whether um the uh uh Ta'alim in uh uh Judeo Arabic is like that I I I I just yeah I I I can't justify it but just intuitively I think it's a stylistic question.
25:42
SPEAKER_05: It seems like everyone just says you don't know.
25:44
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
25:45
SPEAKER_12: I'm trying to think if there's an English um give me one second if there's an English equivalent where we speak loosely about the tense even though we mean the other thing even though we mean one versus the other um no I don't know you don't know what's gonna happen yeah never mind yeah all right Alex I'm curious why I use the language of birds specifically like what is that supposed to connote versus like buy or bring or what have you yeah okay so this is one so now Yitsy's gonna ask me why is this not a stylistic question?
26:17
SPEAKER_05: Okay so so I I don't know whether this is a stylistic question but I'll tell you that um okay okay I'll put the question first but the question is why does it use the language of um Yale Yom uh with um or why does it use the expression um Yalid Yom i.e a a a birthing language uh instead of like you know some something neutral like um you know what actually I'll show you an example where Shlomo says this um in Kohelas chapter 11 his other book one of his other books um oh here we go this is actually uh wait a minute okay ma ways this word starts uh yeah oh here we go oh yeah okay look at this mona give a portion to seven and also to eight kilo seidah ma yihie rah because you don't know what is going to be what bad there's going to be upon the earth so there he just says ma yihia not ma raa yeled alharat okay uh and he also says taida uh here and then he also says where is it uh I just saw oh yeah Babukas rah isha altanahiada uh in the morning sow your seed and in the evening don't let your hand be idol ki incha yoda because you don't know so that's the language that Y had wanted for before you don't you don't know not lo Teda right future dense is a yek oze yeah okay so um so something usual like um uh like yi uh uh you know yeeda ma yihi yeah um sorry hold on a second here just got my mix up here and uh because you don't know what will be or happen yeah uh or yeah right what will be done um what will be done okay good um now why is this not a stylistic question you could argue it's a stylistic question uh I am just not aware of seeing this a lot and also I know I just gave the example of the Kalkan but also a lot of the Mafarsian feel pressured to explain the weirdness of the language so I feel like they think it's weird whereas let's say for example no one really comments on why it's Teta.
28:55
SPEAKER_05: So that's why I'm I'm classifying this now as a mere stylistic question.
28:58
SPEAKER_10: Okay yeah Isaiah Okay yeah I have uh two questions first one is why not like possibly saying don't do this thing because you don't know about this but well what are the negative consequences of okay of doing this right what are the negative consequences um of not knowing what the day may or I guess of doing this let's just say this of doing this yeah okay and and then also kind of the opposite but like why would a person do this like why would you be to tell out right why would a person um do this um yeah like uh boast you know pray praise himself yeah rifki okay so I also have two questions so one is um what are the parameters in terms of like don't praise yourself right like I feel like that's like a pretty big thing like is it saying for everything like you know I don't know I feel like that's not necessarily so realistic.
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SPEAKER_05: Um so that's the first one and then the second sorry I'm just gonna relocate this question because I think there's two kinds of what parameters what's the parameters of don't praise yourself meaning what constitutes don't praise yourself and then the that's like the internal parameters and then there's like the external parameters of like words across the line into stuff that is good.
30:21
SPEAKER_05: So yeah.
30:22
SPEAKER_10: Yeah and then actually like kind of similar to what you were just saying in the second half I'm curious like is it only referring to let's say things that like might go wrong?
30:33
SPEAKER_10: Like I can't really assess that.
30:36
SPEAKER_05: Is the second half uh only referring to things that might go wrong um uh so um yeah uh or does the neutral language imply that this could be about good things as well yeah Stephanie um so I was wondering if there was a particular instance or category in mind when they were writing this or were they just saying it in general and I wonder if what example they were thinking of or we think of can indicate what part of the apple we're accessing.
31:16
SPEAKER_09: Like whatever like example we use it can be um indicative of like the filigree like type of um result that we're gonna learn from this or the actual gold part like depending if like you're like talking about matters of the soul or matters of material success.
31:33
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
31:34
SPEAKER_05: Yeah um I think that is a good question.
31:36
SPEAKER_05: I'm just trying to think whether this is part of Riffus question I was wondering that as well I think it can be lumped in all right I'm gonna make this into the Rabbi Moskowitz question which is um uh okay hold on no I'm gonna make not make this Rebbe Moskowitz question yeah all right I'll I'll say yeah um what is this in regards to and um and then we'll put our does this um have a bearing on what gets classified as silver versus gold all right I think that that would cover it uh yeah Lori Okay so um I was kind of hung up on the word praise as well yeah and then um I kind of um rephrased it in a simpler way kind of a funny silly way yeah um and I I wrote down don't brag today as you may give yourself a Kinahara tomorrow okay yeah I don't know how to spell kinahara yeah tomorrow yeah yeah that was it right yeah brag is a good is a good um a good uh what do you call um uh way to say it as well um put you up in the translators here um yeah um yeah brag is a good way to say it tomorrow so yeah I think that that would be um uh hold on where did we ask about that language uh appraise oneself yeah yeah is this like you know uh let me I mean I'll I'll add to this question a little bit which is like is this defined strictly by the content of what you say or the manner or setting in which you say it right like for example if you say like I'm gonna close a big deal tomorrow and you are stating it as a fact versus if you're like patting yourself on the back or if you're announcing it to the world versus if you're just like keeping it to yourself like you know all these I think go into the question about what constitutes uh uh tease halo yeah Benji's um yeah two or three questions um one is just like why should you praise yourself in general seems like something with the question also right okay good so why is this or I guess is and let me the just I have a specific way I want to say this is um is what does the fact that Shlomo is giving us parameters for praising ourselves sorry specific parameters I know that's kind of implied so I was imply about praising ourselves in general right like in other words does this imply that praising oneself uh in general or let's say or about the present or the past is okay or is that just a different subject and you know I'm I'm sure you're you're aware of my like sometimes I do not write down questions because sometimes a question will be like I'll give you I'm gonna make up an example here like let's say Shlomo says you know a puzzle about how if you speak disparagingly about someone then you're gonna hurt their feelings.
35:11
SPEAKER_05: Okay so if someone if we're learning puzzle that said that and someone asked the question well if I punch a guy I'm also hurting his feelings so why doesn't Shlomo talk about that that kind of question I don't like because that's just basically saying like why doesn't he write another puzzle about another topic that is similar and the answer is maybe he does you know so maybe there are other words he talks about praising yourself and uh and and how that's bad also or and and then this is only just talking about the specific consequence you know or maybe he is saying that this is okay.
35:43
SPEAKER_05: And by the way, spoiler alert next week there is a puzzle about praising yourself.
35:49
SPEAKER_05: I'm just gonna show you the words or sorry about uh about being praised.
35:59
SPEAKER_05: Which seems to say that praise is okay but you can't do it at all right but again there's there's different ways to learn it.
36:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah okay yeah what's another question and then also um the fact that he uses yom twice they both don't need to be there that's also yeah don't like is bayom also isn't choose the first bayom bayom mahar or bayom mahar like don't pray yourself today about tomorrow or about the day tomorrow but either way you don't need it there.
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SPEAKER_11: Yeah all right so let's just say is there any and then the second the second yom also right is there any significance um I'm gonna use this as a stylistic or poetic question uh to his double use of the word yom when it uh doesn't strictly seem necessary yeah okay and uh yeah I I think yom mahar I think is just uh the way to say it so okay uh uh vital I guess um okay I guess because I guess it's not yet yeah um I had two questions I'm not sure if one of them was asked so one of the questions is why like Bayom Mahar is why like why is that the focus because like you don't know what's gonna happen in 20 minutes from now you don't know what's gonna happen okay that's a fair question yeah okay why is that tomorrow right so why tomorrow instead of any future uh time like in uh uh in 20 minutes right yeah and also is there anything within the Pussook that kind of gives away where it's saying don't praise yourself to anyone else or even to yourself like what does that include in terms of the parameters of that?
37:43
SPEAKER_05: Yeah I'll I'm gonna tack that on to here is um like uh does the you know does the presence of an audience matter right or is or or can this even be uh in your head right like if sorry in your head like if you know my favorite sukim in nach you know my favorite psukim uh are Yer Miyahu uh nine twenty two um oh we got a little yet yeah okay uh Vayik uh this is Yoshua this is not Yermiyahu hold on Yermiyahu 922 okay so uh he says thus says Hashem Ayis hala chachambucha let not the wise man praise himself with his in his chahma with his wisdom aishal hagibour big for so and let not the strong man praise himself uh about his strength aishala ashir baoshro don't let the wealthy person praise himself about his wealth is halam is hala only in this may one praise himself or may the praiser may the self-praiser praise himself haskeo via do si uh comprehending and knowing me kya ni hassem because I am Hashem Oseh chesed who does kindness justice and righteousness on earth because in these is my desire says Hashem now I don't think I mean maybe I'm maybe you could say well you should ask the same question here but like it does not seem that this is talking specifically about someone who's verbally praising himself in front of other people.
39:17
SPEAKER_05: It sounds like this is like even in your own head or your own heart you shouldn't be like glorifying yourself like this.
39:21
SPEAKER_05: So is that what we say here or is this specifically in other um you know in uh in front of other people like hold on a second um uh I'm gonna say in the presence of an audience matter uh I'm gonna say as implied by 272 which I just said is that let a stranger praise you and not your own mouth implies that we are talking about verbal praise.
39:42
SPEAKER_05: Okay uh Avatar do you have a second question or was that?
39:46
SPEAKER_11: Um my second one was about the being like to yourself or to other people the first one was about Makar.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay yeah you're right yeah thanks I got them both yeah okay uh Moshe Yeah um I'm kind of hung up on the beyond makar part um when you know when I like think about people that brag about themselves they're kind of like trying to attract prestige or you know attention and like usually that's based on like the here and now like oh I have something to offer you not on like a hypothetical future self.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: Right.
40:20
SPEAKER_00: I guess it's like what's the audience but like I don't understand like what like what would motivate someone to do that I guess.
40:25
SPEAKER_05: Yeah okay so I think we've covered that in the why would a person do this but we'll add to it especially um about the future given that much you know like many examples of of like self-praise involve the present or the past you know like what is uniquely like what is what is uniquely this is not a real way a word single out worthy right like why should he single out you know uh this this case okay I think that's uh that that that that covers it uh with our other questions uh yeah laurie um on a more serious note um than what I said before um I was wondering if maybe he was saying you know don't praise yourself maybe you know you haven't looked at everything maybe you haven't investigated everything today um you know there might be more wait hold on I'm gonna pause you for a second are you giving uh an explanation or are you asking a question?
41:29
SPEAKER_05: A little of both okay so if you can uh omit the explanation and focus on the question because we we want to get all the questions before we go on to explanation okay yeah so do we think that maybe he was saying you know um you haven't done enough today um other issues might come up tomorrow so you know you need to don't praise yourself you haven't done enough today maybe there's more tomorrow that you need to invest okay so uh that is a good question uh I can see that even being formulated in two ways which is like this what is uh lacking in today such that you can't praise yourself about oh sorry not lacking today what is lacking or what what what is the cause of the problem with praising yourself for tomorrow and to what extent is that inherent or relative okay in other words like like let's say um okay this is a funny example okay but let's say you are in prison and your day let's say you're solitary confinement and your day is exactly the same right compared to relative to like a person who like their day is totally unpredictable you know like would that person is it the exact same problem with praising himself about the next day you know or would we say no because that guy does know more about about the next day and so maybe he can praise himself you know or maybe you know or if he's done enough you know so something like that you know uh or let's say for example you know a someone who has a lot of power over the circumstances versus someone who doesn't like you know so is it is it relative or is it inherent Benji it's um two questions why is it saying um like the Yom Mahar and not something like why you're praising stuff on the day of tomorrow and not something that's gonna happen tomorrow.
43:40
SPEAKER_05: Okay yeah so uh why is tomorrow or why is you know yom machar treated as the like object or subject I don't know of the of the self-praise um uh you know uh as opposed to the actual thing you're praising yourself about so the example would be you know um people say I'm getting a raise tomorrow okay uh praising themselves primarily about the raise not about The tomorrow itself, right?
44:24
SPEAKER_05: So why not express it that way?
44:27
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
44:30
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
44:31
SPEAKER_05: Did you have something else?
44:33
SPEAKER_05: I'm hallucinating everyone saying they have two questions.
44:35
SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
44:35
SPEAKER_03: I did say that.
44:36
SPEAKER_03: I realized it's probably too close to an answer.
44:38
SPEAKER_03: You know, just it'll depend on what the answer is.
44:40
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:40
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
44:41
SPEAKER_05: Uh uh, yeti.
44:43
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I was wondering there's like a mission in Avus that says, I'll tamin b'ats ma fad yo mosta.
44:48
SPEAKER_01: Like, don't believe in yourself until the day you die.
44:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:52
SPEAKER_01: So I mean, I guess that at the on a basic of like what's the relationship between that concept and what we're saying over here, and that over there, we're saying, like, even on today, don't have trust in where you are and on your level that you'll be able to continue it.
45:06
SPEAKER_01: Even though for some reason over here, it's like a lot more tomorrow focused.
45:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, and like I'm yeah, and like is how much of it is in an independent idea?
45:16
SPEAKER_01: How much are those ideas related?
45:17
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
45:18
SPEAKER_05: So um uh we will see that one of the Mufargeum at least brings up that exact statement.
45:22
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so uh don't believe in yourself uh until the day you die, uh, which seems to focus on that question too, actually.
45:33
SPEAKER_05: What was that?
45:34
SPEAKER_11: I just wanted to jump on with that.
45:36
SPEAKER_11: It just like triggered a thought to say, like, how do you even know there's gonna be tomorrow?
45:41
SPEAKER_11: Like, why are you bringing up the fact that like you don't know what's gonna be tomorrow, but you don't even know if there will be a tomorrow.
45:46
SPEAKER_05: One of the fartims says that as well.
45:47
SPEAKER_05: Okay, that's very good.
45:48
SPEAKER_05: I have a feeling that we're tonight is gonna be a night where we're because the Mufarsim what they say is so similar and tightly packed and this idea is so accessible.
45:56
SPEAKER_05: I think we're gonna stumble upon a lot of what they uh or not stumble upon, but like either stumble upon or or like uh be machab into what they actually say, okay, on uh the present.
46:05
SPEAKER_05: Okay, yeah, Rifki.
46:06
SPEAKER_05: And I think we're almost ready for the analysis.
46:08
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I was just gonna say this is not my question, but that was my first thought, Yeti.
46:13
SPEAKER_10: Was that Mishnah?
46:14
SPEAKER_10: Or I think it's a Mishnah.
46:15
SPEAKER_06: Yes, Mishnah.
46:16
SPEAKER_10: Um, but yeah, so my questions, I don't know if we wrote these, but I am wondering who the audience is, like if this applies to literally everyone.
46:24
SPEAKER_10: Um, so the audience, and then is the only decision decision making like uh factor here about the praise?
46:32
SPEAKER_10: Is that the only thing that we're thinking about?
46:35
SPEAKER_05: Uh sorry, say that last part again.
46:37
SPEAKER_05: I was still typing.
46:38
SPEAKER_10: Um, just about the decision making.
46:40
SPEAKER_10: Like, is the only factor in that only about like not praising yourself, or is there something else that's just not necessarily like in the Is there any decision making um uh uh advice here other than the act of praising yourself?
46:58
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so let me start importing these into the chat, and then we will have our thinking minute.
47:04
SPEAKER_05: Gotta get back into our money night initially routines.
47:07
SPEAKER_05: Uh one through five is one.
47:12
SPEAKER_05: Then one through I'm sorry, six through ten, which I will number six, seven, eight.
47:23
SPEAKER_05: Eight nine and ten.
47:30
SPEAKER_05: Okay, there's that, and then eleven, can I fit it?
47:34
SPEAKER_05: Eleven through eighteen, or is it not gonna fit?
47:36
SPEAKER_05: Oh, it doesn't fit.
47:37
SPEAKER_05: I shouldn't have praised myself about that.
47:39
SPEAKER_05: All right, um eleven eleven twelve thirteen.
47:48
SPEAKER_05: That's a lot of quite a lot more questions than I thought we would get.
47:53
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I know.
47:57
SPEAKER_05: Uh 15.
47:59
SPEAKER_05: I was thinking that okay, and then 16 through the end.
48:03
SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah, I say you have another one.
48:05
SPEAKER_05: Well, did we ask what does it mean to praise yourself first moral?
48:10
SPEAKER_05: We did so many words.
48:12
SPEAKER_05: Uh why you okay, I'll I'll add that to why use the phrase praise oneself, but really um what is it, and then what are the parameters?
48:19
SPEAKER_05: I think that that covers it.
48:20
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
48:21
SPEAKER_05: Um, but yeah, it'll be very easy for for something to slip.
48:24
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so let us have our thinking minute, and then we will see if we can get all four of the um approaches of environment or find new ones.
49:32
SPEAKER_05: It'd be very easy for that to happen uh tonight.
49:35
SPEAKER_05: Um for that reason, please no one say I have three ideas I want to share because I think that's just a little bit greedy.
49:46
SPEAKER_05: I know people were doing that with questions, but that that's fine.
49:49
SPEAKER_05: Okay, Alex, you're up.
49:52
SPEAKER_12: Um so for me, the idea I came up with has to do very much with the um like it hinges on the uh praising yourself about tomorrow and using the language of birth here.
50:02
SPEAKER_12: I think what we're supposed to take away from this is that we shouldn't be uh like uh praising ourselves for things that are completely out of our control.
50:13
SPEAKER_12: Uh something like tomorrow, you don't know what's gonna happen specifically.
50:17
SPEAKER_12: And with the language of birth, that kind of gives me the idea of like, you know, that's like the ultimate experience where you don't have control of your environment, right?
50:25
SPEAKER_12: You don't know when someone's going to give birth.
50:27
SPEAKER_12: You don't know if they'll, you know, live or die, or if it'll be complicated, if it'll be long or short, right?
50:32
SPEAKER_12: And I think that language there specifically is supposed to give you kind of like the understanding that the the big importance here is about only praising about things you actually have control of, things that are like in the present today, versus you know, things that could go sideways in 10 million different ways by tomorrow.
50:53
SPEAKER_05: Okay, good.
50:54
SPEAKER_05: Uh that is a good starting point.
50:56
SPEAKER_05: Uh, like uh, you know, um today.
50:58
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, okay.
50:59
SPEAKER_05: So I just want to underscore one thing about the birth thing, and maybe this is more or less obvious to different people, but um, I know when I'm talking with my high school students that it is not uh it is not obvious, is that like, you know, birth, however nervous or scared people are giving birth now, like back then, it like I will I would say like it could be the the happiest day, or it you could die.
51:26
SPEAKER_05: Like it could be it could be uh you know, and women die in childbirth all the time.
51:31
SPEAKER_05: And like the notion of you know, um there being like, I don't know, like birth first of all, I don't know what kind of birth complications they had then that we don't even have now.
51:42
SPEAKER_05: And like, you know, it's just there's just so much uncertainty back then.
51:46
SPEAKER_05: And and so however much uncertainty you have now from either your own experience of having birth or a loved one giving birth, or like, you know, whatever, like it would, it's just like so, so much, you know.
51:57
SPEAKER_05: Um, I mean, the the Shlomo used that in Kohalas in the puzzle guy I just quoted, right?
52:02
SPEAKER_05: He says, uh, I mean, I I think this is shot here that um hold on in that chapter 11.
52:11
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, casher inha yodea ma dercha ruch ka atsa mim the betan hamalaya.
52:19
SPEAKER_05: Uh that is a hard thing to translate.
52:20
SPEAKER_05: Let me just see how this English translates it.
52:23
SPEAKER_05: As you don't know what is in the way of the wind or how the okay, that's how the bones grow in the womb of no, that's I guess that's a different analogy.
52:31
SPEAKER_05: Never mind.
52:32
SPEAKER_05: Uh I forgot that it said the bones thing.
52:33
SPEAKER_05: Okay, fine.
52:34
SPEAKER_05: Okay, good.
52:35
SPEAKER_05: So so according to this, just to talk it out a little bit more.
52:38
SPEAKER_05: So this is speaking to um whoever asked the question about uh what does it say about other people's uh praising yourself in other areas?
52:46
SPEAKER_05: Like this is not saying, oh, in other areas you could totally just like let loose and praise yourself.
52:51
SPEAKER_05: No, this is focusing on a specific category, a specific mistaken type of praise of self-praise, where you're praising yourself about something that like is just like totally unpredictable or could go south in in ways that you just don't even know.
53:06
SPEAKER_05: Like, like it'd be I maybe a good example of this for us would be like like if let's say you are planning a wedding that's gonna take place, you know, during hurricane season, okay, months in the future, let's say, uh and you say, you know, it's gonna be a great wedding with perfect weather.
53:23
SPEAKER_05: We all recognize that that's just stupid.
53:26
SPEAKER_05: Like, how can you even know that?
53:27
SPEAKER_05: That's like the mentality uh that it's trying to like uh that he's trying to like bring up.
53:32
SPEAKER_05: So tomorrow is yeah, it's true that in 20 minutes you don't know what's gonna happen.
53:37
SPEAKER_05: But when I put a piece of toast in the toaster, 99% of the time it's gonna come out as toast.
53:43
SPEAKER_05: It's not gonna like burn the house down.
53:45
SPEAKER_05: You know, now it can burn the house down, but like that's not the I don't think he's trying to evoke that kind of like crazy possibility uh here, at least according to Alex's idea.
53:55
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so I think that's that's a good starting point.
53:57
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
53:57
SPEAKER_05: Uh anyone want to add on to this?
53:59
SPEAKER_05: Or I know it's gonna be okay.
54:01
SPEAKER_05: I'll just go in different yeah, go ahead.
54:03
SPEAKER_00: I guess like what would just I mean, like certainly like planning for like the future and being like cautious and not just like you know, living life willy-nilly is like something praiseworthy.
54:16
SPEAKER_00: So I guess like what wouldn't what would differentiate that versus what this postbox's talking about.
54:20
SPEAKER_05: Right.
54:20
SPEAKER_05: So that was we need to get that that's more into the question of of this of question eight, right?
54:26
SPEAKER_05: Like, how do you differentiate between um praising yourself for tomorrow versus planning for tomorrow?
54:32
SPEAKER_05: Right?
54:32
SPEAKER_05: Praising yourself we say don't do, plan for tomorrow we say you should do.
54:35
SPEAKER_05: So I I think that's an area that that can be elaborated on.
54:38
SPEAKER_05: But I think let's just let's go in order of what people have to say.
54:41
SPEAKER_05: Because again, I think there's gonna be a lot of overlap on the ideas, uh, and then we'll we'll we'll try to consolidate after.
54:45
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, go ahead, Ruth.
54:47
SPEAKER_10: So I think that actually I was thinking in like a pretty similar train of thought.
54:51
SPEAKER_10: So probably good.
54:53
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
54:53
SPEAKER_10: Um, but yeah, I was thinking more about honestly the like idea of knowledge than praising.
55:01
SPEAKER_10: So I think the subject might actually be a little bit different, but I was thinking about also like the idea of like, you know, the whatever the day will bring, um, specifically is about things that aren't finished yet.
55:15
SPEAKER_10: Like just that idea of like birth is, I guess, like the process of something coming like into being, literally.
55:22
SPEAKER_10: Um it's in the process, it's not that it doesn't exist, but it didn't actually have that actualization yet.
55:29
SPEAKER_10: Um so specifically that point, I think he's saying like when you're in that phase, like it's silly to do that because you don't actually know what the results will be.
55:40
SPEAKER_10: And I think on like a practical level, I think it makes you look silly.
55:44
SPEAKER_10: Like if you're going around and telling people, you know, X, Y, and Z about the results that you have, but you don't have them.
55:51
SPEAKER_10: So that's number one.
55:52
SPEAKER_10: And then in relation to knowledge, because I think that's I was saying, like, I feel like the subject is a little bit more.
55:59
SPEAKER_10: Um, that I think it affects how we feel about knowledge ourselves.
56:04
SPEAKER_10: Um, kind of like what Pussak you were quoting, that like we have this concept that you know, we have like all these ideas and thoughts about knowledge and we're so good and whatever.
56:15
SPEAKER_10: But this is saying, like, you even with the things that you plan, you still won't necessarily have like the outcomes, you know, until you actually have them.
56:24
SPEAKER_10: And even then, I don't even know if it's so good to necessarily praise yourself about them.
56:29
SPEAKER_10: So that's you know, maybe that's a whole other pot suck.
56:32
SPEAKER_10: Um, but yeah, those were kind of like the main thoughts I was having.
56:35
SPEAKER_05: Okay, good.
56:36
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
56:37
SPEAKER_05: All right.
56:37
SPEAKER_05: So I think this is a good start because this partially answers Moshe's question about what's the difference between planning for something and bragging about something.
56:46
SPEAKER_05: So, you know, what what's the okay?
56:48
SPEAKER_05: I don't know if anyone has else has thought of uh about this, but um, what's the English proverb um for uh for don't praise yourself about tomorrow because yeah, you see?
56:59
SPEAKER_01: Something like uh don't count your chickens before they hatch.
57:02
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, don't count your chickens uh before they hatch, right?
57:07
SPEAKER_05: Um uh right.
57:08
SPEAKER_05: So that's again, that's the mistake.
57:10
SPEAKER_05: I mean, that is the actual another example potential in actuality, right?
57:13
SPEAKER_05: Is that like if you have a uh a dozen eggs, you should not say I have a dozen chickens, because you don't have a dozen chickens yet.
57:19
SPEAKER_05: They haven't hatched, right?
57:20
SPEAKER_05: And and it could uh they could, you know, there could be some misfortune that prevents them from doing that.
57:24
SPEAKER_05: So that's partially answering.
57:26
SPEAKER_05: So so praising yourself about something that you don't have as if you have it, uh, and then like going around and like like boasting as though you have it, um, can lead you to look um to look silly if it doesn't come to fruition.
57:41
SPEAKER_05: As opposed to planning, look, I look, there are cases where a person plans and people make fun of them.
57:47
SPEAKER_05: Like, I think that there were a lot of people.
57:49
SPEAKER_05: If I don't know uh how many of you are uh were in a situation to remember this, I think there were a lot of people.
57:56
SPEAKER_05: Uh okay, I'll say an example.
57:59
SPEAKER_05: Um on uh on Hurricane Sandy, then I ended up staying in West Hempstead at the house of someone who was a prepper.
58:08
SPEAKER_05: Okay, and he had been preparing for things like this for years, and people made fun of him because he had many generators and he had a ton of food stored and he had all these lamps and stuff like that.
58:18
SPEAKER_05: And he was so vindicated that like he's been preparing for so long and like he was the best equipped in this entire thing, you know.
58:26
SPEAKER_05: So, but but the way people look at preppers, you know, like you know, there they look foolish, but no one is gonna look at you as foolish if you are saving for retirement, right?
58:37
SPEAKER_05: Like that's like, and yeah, maybe you'll win the lottery and not need the money, or like maybe something bad will happen to the economy and you lose your money, but like I don't think it has that same like you're gonna look silly for preparing, you know.
58:49
SPEAKER_05: Um, so I think that's a good uh consequence to isolate.
58:52
SPEAKER_05: Um, I want to actually uh give it an uh an analogy, uh or not an analogy, uh an example that I want to work with that's off record, and you'll see why.
59:02
SPEAKER_05: Uh Rivki, you had something else?
59:03
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, first of all, I'm not saying anything because we're recording, but that's the call.
59:07
SPEAKER_10: Um the last point I wanted to make that I I don't think I made was I think also another aspect of the PUSSET could be about not getting wrapped up in results as well.
59:20
SPEAKER_05: Okay, that's interesting.
59:21
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, another consequence that's really good, is that you get overly attached to the result that you uh that you view as uh as guaranteed, uh, or you I guess like let down your uh decision-making guard um uh uh because you've regarded it as a done deal, and that opens you up to new um bad decisions uh or failure to mobilize.
59:55
SPEAKER_05: So this is uh I'm sure if I knew military history, I could quote you zillions of examples where where um uh you know generals and armies that were in a favorable position treated it as, oh, this is a done deal, and then that's when the enemy attacks, you know.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_05: Uh so I think those are good examples also.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_05: Good.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_05: I I like that.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_05: That that's a that is a so I'll tell you, okay, I like it.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_05: Um I think your first answer is better because I think maybe that's why it emphasizes tis halel, as opposed to let's say don't trust in future things, which there are the psukim that say don't trust in you know in in uh you know in guarantee in guarantees or whatever.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_05: The self-praise, I think, is setting you up perfectly for the mishlaik meta-connected meta where you want to glorify yourself and now you end up looking ridiculous because you took glory in something you didn't actually own.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_05: Okay, good.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_05: Good idea, Rifkey.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_05: Uh uh Ariel.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, um, I think I think the it's funny, the analogy that you gave and what Rifkita says kind of like ties into like kind of segos into like my idea a little bit.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_08: So I I I kind of wanted to um you know start off by saying maybe like t halel means that um you're kind of giving it Heshivis.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_08: Um, you know, like you're giving it value.
1:01:13
SPEAKER_08: You're giving like you're giving you're giving yourself value for tomorrow, which means you're you're also giving value in the in the future, not the present.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_08: You know, it's it's kind of like you know, by implication, you're you're not really acknowledging, um, you're kind of like like delaying in a sense.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_08: Um you know, and and I think I think that when when you do that, you know, like the analogy that you just gave, you know, you're you're gonna you're gonna be attached to that, you're gonna make that a reality, and and it could be psychologically, you know, like uh kind of like hurtful like hurtful a little bit.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_08: Um but but you know, I it it's you know, it's kind of like um, you know, and I want to also like go into like the distinction between planning, uh, between planning and you know uh you know giving uh praise.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_08: I I think that like I think it makes sense to plan, you know, like that is a logical thing to do.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_08: You know, and you could make the argument, well, why even plan?
1:02:23
SPEAKER_08: If if you have no control about the next day, so then like it's not even rational to plan.
1:02:29
SPEAKER_08: You know, I think uh I think Ray Schluckish, you know, I think he would only work for that day, just to survive day by day.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_08: Now, you know, it's possible it's a position, but at the same time, like we also do have a reality, like a Michleik reality to plan for the future.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_08: I mean, that you know, so you can't really ignore that.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_08: So I think what it means is like you you may say to yourself, okay, I'm gonna, you know, plan, um, but it's important to realize that things can change and you should be you should be you know malleable to that.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_08: You shouldn't have it as a fixed reality.
1:03:10
SPEAKER_08: You should realize that um, you know, that it's not it's not permanent, right?
1:03:15
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
1:03:16
SPEAKER_08: And um, and it's funny, the the opposite extreme is also true.
1:03:20
SPEAKER_08: Like you could plan for a thousand different possibilities, but but at but but you should also realize that tomorrow is tomorrow.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_08: Like, like you don't have to drive yourself crazy about planning, you know, so much, you know, like there should be a limitation as well.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_08: And uh I guess the difference between planning and hollow is more like you're you're not really focusing on today, you're more of like focused on the next day.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_08: Like what it would mean to also focus on the day is okay, I'm planning for tomorrow, but I'm also acting, um, I'm also doing what I need to do today for tomorrow as well.
1:04:02
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so that I think is the cleanest distinction you've made so far, which is that um that praising oneself for tomorrow uh often entails like living in the future to the neglect of the present, right?
1:04:17
SPEAKER_05: Um, as opposed to someone who is planning who is also focused on the future, but they're taking action in the present, in the present for that.
1:04:32
SPEAKER_08: Uh to create yeah, like like I this could be on the record as like another analogy.
1:04:38
SPEAKER_08: Like sure, you know, I have no problem sharing personal stuff on here as you know.
1:04:43
SPEAKER_08: Like um a couple weeks ago, you know, I I would have made like a pretty good, really good deal with with a partner of mine.
1:04:51
SPEAKER_08: Like it would have like been one of the most pivotal moments like in my in my realistic career, but what whatever happened, you know, like like the buyer just like backed out, you know, and like it would have been like almost two and a half years worth of salary, like in like one week, you know?
1:05:11
SPEAKER_08: But but you know, and but but and the truth is like kind of what in your analogy, like I it's some and and it's it's challenging because like you're just thinking about it so much, like wow, the things you could do, even the good things, also.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_08: Like, I was thinking about putting you know a lot of that money towards, you know, transcribing some shira for software AI, you know, that's like a sense of like I can't even do that now, you know what I mean?
1:05:35
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah.
1:05:36
SPEAKER_08: It's like it's it's it's a trap.
1:05:38
SPEAKER_05: It's yep, yep, it's it's hard.
1:05:40
SPEAKER_05: Yep, okay, good.
1:05:41
SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_02: Um so I feel like I'm not sure how differentiated this is from what's already been said at this point, but what I was thinking about is like if you're someone who who praises themselves about things that are you know future contingencies, then it's clear that you're you view the thing as like already a a set deal.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_02: You view the the future as like already being set.
1:06:09
SPEAKER_02: And people around you are gonna see that you're not like aware of the the possibilities of what's coming down the line, and you're gonna get known as a person who like isn't thinking.
1:06:19
SPEAKER_02: So you're you think you're you're you know everything is good to go.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_02: But everyone around you sees that you're you're not aware of like the possibilities.
1:06:29
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:06:30
SPEAKER_02: So you shouldn't put yourself into this trap in this mindset of like praising yourself when I guess like when you think things are done like you should be constantly aware that things like can be changing.
1:06:40
SPEAKER_05: Okay, good.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_05: That's a good consequence.
1:06:43
SPEAKER_05: Yeah I don't think we've said that yet.
1:06:44
SPEAKER_05: Um and that itself is bad for you.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_05: Okay, that's good.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_03: Yeah Benji Yeah I was gonna make two points.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_03: One I think um related to like what um what Ariel was saying is that you're gonna be focused on the future too much too much as opposed to like what needs to be done right now is maybe I was I was thinking that you can maybe interpret um where it says uh lo Tate on my yellow yom that could refer to to maybe this is always how people are interpreting but it could be today as opposed to you don't know what tomorrow's gonna bring if you don't know what today's gonna bring.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_05: Oh that's interesting.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_05: Okay uh okay that that's a good tie-in for um for uh your Yom question yeah so perhaps um the the second half means you don't know what today will bring uh not you don't know what tomorrow uh will bring uh so that that would just be a like not a new idea but that almost like a cavalry right that like like you're so caught up in treating tomorrow's future contingency as set in stone but like you're oblivious to what could even happen today to jeopardize that you know um yeah I mean I think it's it's a you can take it as a cava home there but also that just that is part of the consequence because you're not focused on today.
1:08:03
SPEAKER_03: And today will help you with tomorrow.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_05: Right.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_05: And if you recognized the true nature of um the of today's potential uh you could like you know uh avoid things that would ruin it or you could take advantage of it to an even greater extent yeah and maybe it's the other I think a separate point about why like uh why a person is praising themselves.
1:08:41
SPEAKER_03: I think like the types of things like you were saying in the beginning types of things people praise themselves on are like um like they're things that they're not fully certain about because they're trying to they're like basically feel they feel insecure about the future so they're trying to compensate for that by um by uh I guess doing the opposite and acting really confident.
1:09:02
SPEAKER_05: Okay good.
1:09:03
SPEAKER_05: So to answer a question about of um why you know don't people praise themselves about the present or past uh why would they do praise themselves about the future so um specifically in areas where they sense that they don't have control um control they praise themselves preemptively because that makes them feel like it's a done deal right the their their self-praise about tomorrow um tomorrow stems from insecurity and that insecurity is what they should lean into if they want those results I think that that that fits in nicely all right that's really good that's good Sean yeah okay uh Avi Talari can I ask a question on that how is Bahar possible to be read as today no uh he's saying my yelad yon oh sorry today yeah uh yeah Abhital Y yeah so this was like reminding me of the difference between someone being like a self-styled I don't know artist philosopher whatever it is for someone who's like working towards becoming it and like the way that they present it.
1:10:22
SPEAKER_01: But if someone it's a little similar to what Benji's saying but if someone's already taking it as part of their identity before they actually got there I think they're I forgot where I saw but I think there's studies that say like the person has a um has a plan that they want to do something they want to accomplish the more they talk about it with other people the less likely they are to do it because they already feel some of the satisfaction of having done it because they're talking and it seems like this TUSIC is like a similar thing.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_01: If someone's identifying as having finished it or the person who already did it rather than someone who's working towards so it's gonna end up stunting their growth and progress in whatever that is because they're jumping the gun on like the on the rewards or the what they get from it.
1:11:03
SPEAKER_05: Yeah so yeah so you should if you talk about uh um goals or plans uh I'm gonna I'm gonna say too much uh because I I don't think it's like in instantly uh then um it might have backfire in your in in in by making you less motivated because part of you feels like you've already done it by talking about it.
1:11:32
SPEAKER_09: Yeah that's good uh support uh Stephanie so I wanted to add on to Ariel's idea but I wanted to like point out um a kind of more of a theme within Shlomo's writing yeah this heavily reminded me of Kohelet where we were talking about Yitro and it's something that you're looking towards in the future so you're not appreciating what's in the present.
1:11:59
SPEAKER_09: Yeah I noticed that Shlomo really likes to warn us about like thinking towards the future in a way that is um psychologically fulfilling in the moment but in like your overall life you're going to be disappointed by having those expectations yeah and um yeah I I and also like the dopamine hit you get from viewing something in the future as something that happened yeah and that like feels good.
1:12:30
SPEAKER_09: So you want to continue doing that.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_05: But overall like like all of this can lead to like you becoming more depressed because when people for example say like oh like you know we don't need a plan like God will do everything for us and then you're just disappointed or just things like that where you think about the future in a way that you don't know what is to come and you're getting joy from something that didn't happen yet or people are like oh Mashiach is here right now like no it's not like yeah right so yeah that's that yeah that's essentially that uh example is very good because the when you were talking earlier what I was thinking about is um I don't know where this expression comes from but they I've heard people call like the lottery like a uh a a tax on the poor because so many people play the lottery are are are poor people who just will always just buy lottery tickets.
1:13:21
SPEAKER_05: And the argument that people make in favor of them is like you know they're really just you know buying you know that it's it's hope.
1:13:28
SPEAKER_05: It it keeps them hopeful that maybe their life could change a little bit.
1:13:31
SPEAKER_05: And what Stephanie is suggesting from Shlomo is like no it's probably actually keeping them in a state of depression because they're they're they're building up this feeling that that they're gonna get it's gonna be me this time.
1:13:44
SPEAKER_05: And then they get let down and then it makes them view their own life as like this thing that they couldn't escape as opposed to like not entertaining not trying to live in this fancy world where you've won the lottery and then needing to confront the realities of your own life and Mashiok I think is a good example of that is yeah the people who are like constantly uh faking themselves out into thinking like oh Mashio's finally here like every every moment that's I think it's like a lot of people so can I give like a cohelet esque quote that um where there's hope there's disappointment.
1:14:13
SPEAKER_09: It's something that sounds very like depressing but I think it's sort of an idea that just kind of warns you away from things.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_09: Like it sounds like if I just say oh I'm hoping this I'm like well where there's hope there's disappointment.
1:14:25
SPEAKER_09: It sounds like I'm just like but like I like those sorts of ideas and I think ideas are like good.
1:14:31
SPEAKER_00: That reminds me of the one I think there's one that says like um uh let me just make sure this is real even though it's not a quote I don't want to make sure uh I'm saying uh expectations are pre yeah expectations are premeditated resentments uh that's more about people than about uh about things but yeah yeah okay uh very good Moshe Yeah um so I'm kind of thinking about how to like what you know with the distinction between planning and praise and like what like logical maybe to like refine that and I was kind of thinking that maybe like what makes something a plan versus a praise is that a plan is attached to like something material or functional in the here and the now and it's relevant to the future when praise may just be purely theoretical um like a like a theoretical circumstance where like I guess you know you can theorize about things and you know you can't like rule them out.
1:15:35
SPEAKER_00: Like I guess if this set of circumstances could happen, God forbid like sure then that you know you have to adjust your behavior.
1:15:41
SPEAKER_00: But like that's not tied to anything um that's like real and like I I I don't know I feel like there's the parallel idea.
1:15:50
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's it feels like the same answer but like no I think in a way it's like sort of detaching yourself from your sense of self and instead of like being comfortable with knowing who you are and knowing what you can do you're sort of just like imagining this like you're this idealized version of yourself.
1:16:12
SPEAKER_05: Right.
1:16:13
SPEAKER_05: Uh in the present that you can control uh and causing you to retreat into the sorry retreat into this idealized future uh this idealized version of of your future successful self.
1:16:31
SPEAKER_05: Yeah I see what you're saying I think this is a good description um yeah and it it can sometimes be hard to tell the to to tell the line but I I think this could be a good litmus test of or I don't know this is litmus test.
1:16:44
SPEAKER_05: It's a little bit not as clear cut but like yeah like asking yourself whether you're like I'll give you an example of this like the person who is convinced that they're gonna get a a promotion or whatever and immediately starts like you know looking on websites for what Rolex is they're gonna buy or like what you know where they're gonna move or whatever.
1:17:10
SPEAKER_05: Instead of let's say focusing on how to transition to this new job and what the challenges are going to be in the new job or whatever you know like I think that is like an indicator maybe limits test is too strong but like an indicator well okay your mind is going to a place in the future that has nothing to do with the practical decisions that are going to confront you right now in or that could jeopardize your your promotion like so maybe think about that and like if you know it's more like you say it's like a sign if your energy is going to this theoretical idealized self it is drifting away from the reality right now that is still needs to happen in order to determine that self.
1:17:48
SPEAKER_01: So yeah I think that's a good description uh yeti yeah um I'm wondering if uh slightly different like directions take the husikan of Lo Ted May Led Yom would mean we never know what any day will bring like even once the day has happened like let's say saying it's uh today or tomorrow kind of like uh Gamzula Tova style idea yeah like don't don't even take praise on what will happen tomorrow let's say even if you did know for sure it was gonna happen because you don't know what that will give birth to and long term if this thing that you're working towards or hoping to will end up being a positive thing in your life anyway.
1:18:24
SPEAKER_05: Okay good uh not because you said Gamzula Tova but because of the idea that you're saying I have to quote one of my favorite Ramams in the Parish of Mashnayos uh where is this teaching Nija Nija 11th grade Gamzulatova I think it's in here um the Ramam in the end of Brachos uh the last Mishnah in Brachos this is where I went through Gamzlatova but um yeah so the Ramam here says uh tova so this is in Brachos 95 uh in the Mishnah uh a person is obligated to bless on the bad just as he blesses on the good uh Shemarak the Haft Sham Lakakah uh so Rama says like this I'm just gonna read this in the um in the English um they said just as he blesses over the good meaning that he should accept the bad with joy restrain his emotions and settle his mind when he blesses Baruch Dayahan Amus blesses the true judge until it is the same as when he blesses Baruchatova metith blesses he who is good and and uh uh and bestows good uh this accords with what the sages say in many contexts everything that heaven does is for good okay this is the point this is a rational principle to thinkers even without the Torah having warned warned about it in other words this is not a religious thing this is a philosophical thing for many things are considered bad at their beginning yet bring about great good in the end and many things are considered good at their outset yet turn out very bad in the end.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_05: Therefore it is not fitting for a thinker to be distressed when a great calamity or a dangerous decree comes upon him since he does not know the outcome nor should he be seduced into excessive joy when some good, according to his thinking, comes his way since he does not know the outcome.
1:20:13
SPEAKER_05: And then we have to go into the parable of the farmer again there's many versions of this once there was a farmer who had only one horse with which he used to plow his field.
1:20:20
SPEAKER_05: One day the horse ran away the townspeople came around and said oh that's too bad.
1:20:24
SPEAKER_05: What terrible misfortune but the farmer replied Maybe it's bad maybe it's not it's hard to say three days later when the horse came trotting back to the barn leaning five wild mares what good fortune the townspeople said but the farmers replied good bad it's hard to say two days later the man's son was thrown off from one of the wild mares and broke his leg.
1:20:39
SPEAKER_05: Oh what bad luck said the townspeople but the farmer just replied good bad it's hard to say a week later an army came through the town constricting all the young men to go off to war but they left the farmer's town because his leg was broken.
1:20:48
SPEAKER_05: What good fortune the townspeople said but the farmer just replied good bad it's hard to say so there that illustrates Yeti's point which is that even when something happens um that is good right like in this case where you know uh he you know whatever uh got the five wild mares don't praise yourself about that even when it happened yesterday because you don't know where it's gonna lead it might lead to you breaking your leg you know and it's it's really bad there.
1:21:14
SPEAKER_05: So like I think that's a that is a great point.
1:21:16
SPEAKER_05: I really like that point.
1:21:17
SPEAKER_05: That's a that's a smooth read.
1:21:20
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
1:21:21
SPEAKER_05: Very good haul these are all sufficiently different in their nuances to make me think that like this is uh you know like make me surprised that we we got this okay before we do the commentary I want to give you an isolated idea on Ma Yelid Yom and this is speculative but like so the the question is why the weird Ma Yelid Yom and I'm not really even um answering why the birthing analogy but like just why the like what a day births okay so I was thinking that the Matsuda Matsuda Sion wrote above um since time gives birth to all occurrences it says Ma Ya Lidyong okay um so I was thinking um okay not everyone believes that time or days give birth to occurrences okay uh who denies this in other words yeah go ahead I think in like modern physics there's the idea that the happenings are what allow us to have an idea of time in the first place.
1:22:41
SPEAKER_05: Oh that's interesting that's a different direction that I would go but that that's also a good uh a good uh indication I guess in Shlomo's time who who would deny that things that happen in the day can lead to uh like uh different things happening the astronomers yeah uh astrologers right yeah so astrologers and then I'm gonna add to that and this might be uh extension for today and other like determinists right so so it's possible Shlomo was uh using this to reinforce the notion that there really is like contingency uh and things are not predetermined and this is a thing that like you know I remember reading I I I don't have this on the computer but I'm pretty sure in Robert Alter's introduction to Michle he writes about how radical some of Schlomo's ideas were in his time that to us look normal.
1:23:35
SPEAKER_05: So for example, there's so many people in Mishley that say that if you work hard you could become wealthy and if you don't work hard then you become poor.
1:23:42
SPEAKER_05: And to us that's like it's obvious.
1:23:45
SPEAKER_05: But Alter says that in Shlomo's time it was a widely believed thing that the star you were born under determined your wealth and poverty and nothing that you do could change it.
1:23:55
SPEAKER_05: So for him to say this was radical and it like challenged and polemicized against that approach.
1:24:01
SPEAKER_05: So I was wondering if just in isolation that could be the idea of saying that the day gives birth to different uh circumstances uh or time gives birth to certain circumstances as opposed to it's preset.
1:24:11
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:24:11
SPEAKER_05: Okay, let's look at the Mafargeum here.
1:24:13
SPEAKER_05: And I think I want to do something weird.
1:24:15
SPEAKER_05: I think I instead of doing each of the Mafarchim on its own, I want to show you what I think of as the clusters and then we'll see if there's like differences in them.
1:24:22
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
1:24:22
SPEAKER_05: So first of all we have Matsudis David.
1:24:25
SPEAKER_05: Oh shout out to Claude okay one of the differences now between uh the end of 2026 uh 2025 to 2026 school year and this year is I can now just open up Opus 5.5 and just do create a Michle source sheet with English translations and it'll automatically go onto Alhatora and MG Keter collect all the Mafarsim arrange them in the order that I want with my fonts with all of the formatting and like I don't have to do any I the only work I have to do is for the ones that are not on Alatora.
1:25:03
SPEAKER_05: And it is just amazing.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_05: Oop I paused screen sharing I hold on so yeah I think that is just incredible and you know when we talk about the side side uh soapbox thing you know when people talk about um how one of the upsides of AI is it frees up people's time to do other worthwhile tasks I I look the fact that I can just set Claude to do this even if it's not perfect instead of spending half an hour or 45 minutes typing this out or like arranging it it is just made so much more productivity in my life it's just crazy.
1:25:40
SPEAKER_05: Like it just really adds up okay um but I'm not praising myself about what AI will allow us to do tomorrow because it could kill us.
1:25:48
SPEAKER_05: All right um so Monsus David says I'll uh I'll teach Tabek atzmacha um thanks for laughing Yeti uh Bameshit taftia lasos biom machar do not commend yourself and so again this is claw translation that's why I brought it up don't praise yourself on that which you promise to do tomorrow say dum ma dabar yikre because you don't know what's going to happen um lest something happen that will make you not able to do it.
1:26:16
SPEAKER_05: So Matus David is actually um narrowing the parameters right so he's saying this is specifically praising yourself about things you you promise you're going to do but before you do them.
1:26:36
SPEAKER_05: One example of this that I don't know actually statistically how um how often this happens but I'm I would be willing to bet that people in shul on Shabbos when they get an aliyah that make generous donations I've heard that like gabai's have to and shuls have to like really like track people down to pressure them to actually give the amount that they pledged because you have these people who will like take the credit and like make these huge grand gestures in public that they're gonna donate some uh uh you know a certain amount of money and then they don't follow through with it you know um so that's that's one example that comes to mind here um okay again I'm gonna I'm gonna read through a couple of these things just to to give us um a uh hold on I I have to remember who said what okay Rob Bag uh Altizhal Bame oh I think this is actually where the Matusa got it from is this exactly the same oh pretty similar lasos beyond mahar kilo teta ma mikre hayom so maybe occurrences will arise that prevent you from bringing your thought to actuality okay fine that's another one um uh Ibn Qashi is the only one who said uh in just in logical terms uhseed don't pledge yourself today for what will be in the future which is possible meaning contingent right that was the mistake that some of you highlighted explicitly um uh that the future is a contingency it hasn't happened yet okay now Sadigun's gonna give a lot of interpretations but we'll start with the first one and this one mentions what uh I think Avital said I think Avital said this so he says we could explain this according to uh many subjects one is the debarangham iskajim is like uh things that happen uh This is the most applicable, um, or the most probable um uh explanation of the text applied to human affairs.
1:28:32
SPEAKER_05: Omar saying, Al Tomar ef al machar kach the es kach.
1:28:37
SPEAKER_05: Tomorrow I will do such and I will do such.
1:28:41
SPEAKER_05: Check this out now.
1:28:42
SPEAKER_05: You don't know peniera maves um ora shimanacha mikah, whether death will occur to you or some misfortune that will prevent you from that thing, some event that will prevent you from this.
1:28:58
SPEAKER_05: I will be for you as a second in command, but death came and negated the thing.
1:29:03
SPEAKER_05: But devras San Kheriv, Ubaha Maka, Ubataladabr.
1:29:10
SPEAKER_05: So uh Sancher was gonna uh besiege Yushlaim, and then a plague wiped out his army.
1:29:14
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so so this summary, and then I have a question here, okay, which is, and I think Avi Tal already answered this, but I just want to be thorough.
1:29:23
SPEAKER_05: So um don't praise yourself about the future um in areas that might be jeopardized, okay, because maybe death or a misfortune will happen to prevent you from that.
1:29:42
SPEAKER_05: So my question, which you could dismiss as a question, okay, which is like um why and yeah, you I don't even know if this is a good question, but like I just want to call attention to it.
1:29:54
SPEAKER_05: Why mention death and why front load it before misfortune, right?
1:30:00
SPEAKER_05: I feel like the more natural order is like maybe something will happen that will prevent you from doing what you're gonna do.
1:30:05
SPEAKER_05: You might even die, right?
1:30:07
SPEAKER_05: Like the what's more probable in life?
1:30:10
SPEAKER_05: Take any statement about the future.
1:30:12
SPEAKER_05: What's more probable?
1:30:13
SPEAKER_05: Something will prevent you from doing it, or you'll die.
1:30:15
SPEAKER_05: Like, obviously, something will prevent you from doing it.
1:30:17
SPEAKER_05: Most people, most people don't die before their next plan comes to fruition.
1:30:22
SPEAKER_05: So why front load it?
1:30:23
SPEAKER_05: So I think this is what Aguital said, and you guys could add to this, but like, like there is a, you know, the the the security we take in the future is so powerful, okay, as is our immortality fantasy, uh, that we we even take our own existence as a given for the future.
1:30:45
SPEAKER_05: And I I've recounted this many times about I think one of the first times I realized my own mortality, and this is a weird way to realize your own mortality.
1:30:54
SPEAKER_05: Um, I don't mean to say that like my uh susceptibility to being injured, but uh there was a time when, you know, I always look forward, I always go back and forth about what my favorite holiday is, whether it's Rosh Hashanah or Pesach.
1:31:08
SPEAKER_05: Um, but um, but one thing that is like cool about Pesach is like, what am I gonna learn this year?
1:31:15
SPEAKER_05: What am I gonna am I gonna focus on?
1:31:17
SPEAKER_05: And Rosh Hashanah also, but so there was one year, maybe it was my third year.
1:31:21
SPEAKER_05: No, no, it was maybe it was like my fifth year of yeshiva.
1:31:23
SPEAKER_05: And like I was coming around to Pesock time and I was like reminiscing on like, well, last year I focused on Khameis.
1:31:27
SPEAKER_05: I'm like the year before I focused on like Maror, you know, and I was like, what am I gonna focus on learning this this coming Yomto?
1:31:34
SPEAKER_05: And it was the first time it hit me.
1:31:36
SPEAKER_05: I have a limited number of pace-offs left in my life, and I don't know how many there are, you know, and it just had never hit me that there was a finite number.
1:31:45
SPEAKER_05: Like in my mind, it was like it could like there's infinite numbers, and the only question is what am I gonna do this paceoff, you know?
1:31:53
SPEAKER_05: And then I started voluntarily expanding that mentality into many of my other areas of life.
1:32:00
SPEAKER_05: And one of the biggest ones is Yom Kippur.
1:32:02
SPEAKER_05: I have found it super effective that when I go into Yom Kippur, I do imagine what if this is the last Yom Kippur that I'm gonna have?
1:32:11
SPEAKER_05: You know, I don't know whether I'm gonna die over the course of the year, and it just supercharges my awareness of um of uh like focusing on things that are not speculative and that that matter, and like, you know, and and giving up that uh that illusion.
1:32:30
SPEAKER_05: And again, there's many benefits, but I I know it's talking about a specific one.
1:32:33
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Benji.
1:32:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it could be why um it says um it uses the lesson of uh Yvaled, because it's like your birth, like you were a creative being.
1:32:43
SPEAKER_05: Okay, that's good also.
1:32:45
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's that's a nice, that's a nice touch.
1:32:47
SPEAKER_05: Okay, uh, which is um perhaps uh Ma Yelid Yom uh focuses on birth um as a uh you know parallel either, you know, um yeah, I guess like um I'm gonna say parallel undertone to uh to the death reference, uh reference implicit uh in the Pusuk, uh which Sadigun brings out.
1:33:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh I'll be telling you it's yeah, in terms of the order of death coming before something else being preventative, yeah.
1:33:22
SPEAKER_01: I think one approach could just be that there's Sadigun decides to put it in that order because it's um sequential, meaning number one, maybe you might not even get there, meaning get to the time where you would do that thing.
1:33:33
SPEAKER_01: And even if you do get to that time, then something might prevent you.
1:33:36
SPEAKER_01: So he's presenting it in a way that's just like in order of things that will end up preventing you from doing right here.
1:33:42
SPEAKER_05: You might not even get to tomorrow.
1:33:45
SPEAKER_05: And even if you do, something might prevent you.
1:33:50
SPEAKER_05: Okay, now there are more sidigal interpretations, but I still want to go through the ones that are similar to this.
1:33:55
SPEAKER_05: Uh Immanuharomi says, It is not uh in Royal Hash it is hala tomorrow machar as a kachmak, kilo seta ma shioli tayom.
1:34:06
SPEAKER_05: So uh oh yeah, so he also says about uh action.
1:34:09
SPEAKER_05: Don't praise yourself saying tomorrow I will do such and such because you don't know what uh the day will bring.
1:34:14
SPEAKER_05: Uhhuh, mean a mikri.
1:34:17
SPEAKER_05: You don't know which occurrences will bring.
1:34:32
SPEAKER_05: I don't know what that word is.
1:34:36
SPEAKER_05: Okay, fine.
1:34:36
SPEAKER_05: That that that's actually not uh I think it means like to water, but um yeah, okay, uh that is the same.
1:34:41
SPEAKER_05: That was a different one.
1:34:42
SPEAKER_05: Okay, I think that gives us enough.
1:34:45
SPEAKER_05: Uh in that vein.
1:34:48
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:34:49
SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
1:34:49
SPEAKER_05: I like the way the Muhammad says it.
1:34:55
SPEAKER_05: Since effects of time happen at every new hap happen newly at every moment.
1:35:02
SPEAKER_05: You don't know what you can't praise yourself about what's gonna happen tomorrow.
1:35:09
SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, that's like what Benji was saying.
1:35:11
SPEAKER_05: Even the the children of the present day, doim licha, are not known to you.
1:35:15
SPEAKER_05: The machar ain't no shalach, and the tomorrow is not yours.
1:35:20
SPEAKER_05: And those who are either in the YBT community or who have listened to Rebish on Roshajana know that the um uh olamshalach, uh, which is a quote from the Gemara about the Nasir, uh, is a phrase that that uh gets thrown around a lot in Roshajana, right?
1:35:35
SPEAKER_05: That so tomorrow is not yours.
1:35:37
SPEAKER_05: So that's another thing.
1:35:37
SPEAKER_05: It's like treating tomorrow as though it's yours, that's a bad thing.
1:35:41
SPEAKER_05: It's not yours.
1:35:42
SPEAKER_05: It's it's uh it's it's the uh the children of the present days.
1:35:45
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:35:45
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so all of these I think are in one vein.
1:35:48
SPEAKER_05: Okay, now let's go to the second uh level of ideas here.
1:35:53
SPEAKER_05: Um, so uh I think I highlight them in yellow.
1:35:57
SPEAKER_05: So this is one of Sidigon's ones.
1:36:00
SPEAKER_05: He says like this Ganbe inyani ha mashma'as lashem, even uh regarding matters of obedience to a shem, could go limutorah, uh like learning Torah or fasting or davening or tsidaka, I'll titchheoso lamaha or lamaharasa.
1:36:18
SPEAKER_05: Don't push it off to tomorrow and the day after.
1:36:23
SPEAKER_05: You don't know what is going to um uh uh incha but you're not you can't be certain about what's gonna happen to you and burden you or like interfere with you.
1:36:40
SPEAKER_05: Uh as Khazal say, don't say what I free I'll learn, uh you might not become free.
1:36:44
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so the summary is um don't push off opportunities for learning, mitzvos, you know, growth in uh you know, I guess a vodas Hashem, serving God, because you can't be certain that the activity will be available to you.
1:37:08
SPEAKER_05: Um so what what I I just want to ask why separate this out as its own interpretation in a list?
1:37:21
SPEAKER_05: Like, isn't this just don't you know make plans for tomorrow?
1:37:28
SPEAKER_05: Like what why does he single this out as a I mean this is not even after the last idea.
1:37:35
SPEAKER_05: Like, I'll read you the ones in between that I don't want to work on here.
1:37:38
SPEAKER_05: Also regarding happenings of the category of God's action, either through a chain of sorry, a claim of prophecy, like the statement of the false prophets, uh, and like the statement of Hanani bin Azur, and there happened what removed that.
1:37:49
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so that's false prophecies, or through a claim of insight into the configuration of the celestial sphere and where it decrees upon every state from its motions, as the people of Babel claimed when he described them, let them now stand up and save you.
1:37:59
SPEAKER_05: Who can divide up the heavens?
1:38:00
SPEAKER_05: And the people of Mitraim, when he described them with a statement, where then were you a wise men, and then misfortunes nullified all that.
1:38:06
SPEAKER_05: So why is Sadion uh like um uh give this as a separate like idea, like focusing on on a votus of sham?
1:38:15
SPEAKER_05: By the way, there's another statement of Khazal uh that I I wanted that comes to mind.
1:38:20
SPEAKER_05: Anyone have another statement of Hazal about when you have an opportunity to do a mitzvah, then uh you should take it.
1:38:27
SPEAKER_08: Isn't that true that's a mitzvah?
1:38:29
SPEAKER_05: Uh that's true.
1:38:31
SPEAKER_05: This one is more of a of an opportunity though.
1:38:33
SPEAKER_05: Uh this is uh mitzvah habali adaka, yeah.
1:38:36
SPEAKER_05: Al taf mitsena.
1:38:38
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, al taf mitzana, right?
1:38:40
SPEAKER_05: Uh if a mitzvah presents itself to you, don't let it ferment.
1:38:47
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
1:38:48
SPEAKER_05: Um uh meaning like don't let it wait.
1:38:51
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:38:55
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeti.
1:38:57
SPEAKER_01: I actually have two opposite ideas on it.
1:39:01
SPEAKER_01: One is that there's like a special urgency when it comes to things of spiritual nature, nature, not uh or whatever, spiritual growth builds, Torah growth, like that.
1:39:13
SPEAKER_01: If a person shouldn't push it off, because there's even more of a danger in that versus pushing off other things for tomorrow.
1:39:20
SPEAKER_01: And then the like parallel opposite idea is that maybe when it comes to like with the shafts, when I have free time, I'll learn.
1:39:29
SPEAKER_01: Maybe like if a person does know that they have X amount of years left, it would make sense.
1:39:34
SPEAKER_01: I'll make I'll focus on let's say making money or doing whatever needs to be done for the next X amount of years, and then I'll have full days free with no other things to worry about afterwards.
1:39:45
SPEAKER_01: And the reason, maybe like the reason I need to say don't do that is because even if theoretically it's good, because you don't know how many days you have, like that makes that plan not viable.
1:39:57
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:39:57
SPEAKER_05: Okay, if you knew how many days um you had, then it would make sense, might make sense to um to say I'll I'll learn uh when I'm free, but uh you don't know.
1:40:16
SPEAKER_05: So so you can't justify pushing it off.
1:40:20
SPEAKER_05: I want to go back to your first answer.
1:40:22
SPEAKER_05: When you say there's more of a danger in pushing it off, what did you mean by the danger?
1:40:27
SPEAKER_01: Um meaning if a person if a person doesn't get to their extra business opportunity, it's not the end of the world.
1:40:33
SPEAKER_01: If a person doesn't get to their growth as a person in a voter sachem, that's a lot bigger problem.
1:40:39
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so I actually so I actually want to express this in different words because I think there's a separate idea in danger.
1:40:44
SPEAKER_05: So there's more of a loss because uh this is the real good in life, uh, instead of just an instrumental good.
1:40:53
SPEAKER_05: Uh and there's also a danger uh in uh in pushing it off, okay, because each um you know learning uh act, I guess, of learning mitzvah, you know, avodas hashen actually develops you and makes you more prone to future development.
1:41:21
SPEAKER_05: Okay, that's in the sense of like mitzvah, gorreras, mitzvah, and uh whether skar, mitzvah, mitzvah.
1:41:32
SPEAKER_05: Um and and every past up opportunity um like puts you at risk of backsliding, right?
1:41:44
SPEAKER_05: So the example of this that I always quote to um to guys when they are deciding what career they want to go into is a lot of the guys in Yeshiva have this like fantasy of they'll put in like 10 years of really, really hard work and like sacrifice their learning, and then they'll retire early and then they'll learn.
1:42:03
SPEAKER_05: So, in theory, that's a good plan.
1:42:05
SPEAKER_05: And and in maybe in some cases it's possible, but if you are not learning during those 10 years, you are becoming a person who is not learning and who becomes attached to other stuff.
1:42:15
SPEAKER_05: And by the time you emerge from that, you may not want to learn, you know, you may leak at the end of your life and you're not gonna want to do that anymore.
1:42:21
SPEAKER_05: So, so, and similarly, like a person says, When I become rich, then I'll give Sadaka, right?
1:42:28
SPEAKER_05: But here's the thing is if you're not practicing the act of giving away money when you don't have a lot of it, you're not cultivating that mita of generosity.
1:42:39
SPEAKER_05: So who's to say that you're not gonna be like, like I forgot if we've looked at this in um in this uh share, but if you look at oh, actually, no, maybe we haven't.
1:42:46
SPEAKER_05: Hold on a second.
1:42:47
SPEAKER_05: Um, charity.
1:42:50
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, uh maybe I showed this to you earlier, or maybe I just was gonna write a uh what I'm thinking about this morning post about it.
1:42:57
SPEAKER_05: Um hold on a second.
1:42:58
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I am sharing the screen.
1:42:59
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, okay.
1:42:59
SPEAKER_05: Um America, I don't know how current this is.
1:43:02
SPEAKER_05: Uh as of January 16, 2020 26.
1:43:05
SPEAKER_05: Uh America's richest people are not his most generous.
1:43:07
SPEAKER_05: So here are the you could see them on the screen.
1:43:10
SPEAKER_05: Uh Elon Musk, 780 billion, has given away uh over his lifetime 0.06% of his net worth.
1:43:17
SPEAKER_05: Larry Page has given away 0.03%.
1:43:19
SPEAKER_05: Jeff Bezos 1.85%.
1:43:21
SPEAKER_05: The big exception uh is Warren Buffett.
1:43:24
SPEAKER_05: He's given 31%.87%.
1:43:27
SPEAKER_05: I don't know why.
1:43:28
SPEAKER_05: Um, I mean, I guess uh Bill Gates wasn't on you, but Bill Gates has given away a lot.
1:43:33
SPEAKER_05: But like, you know, you tell yourself, well, if I become super rich, I give away a super amount of money.
1:43:36
SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah?
1:43:37
SPEAKER_05: Well, look at this track record.
1:43:38
SPEAKER_05: You know, like do you really think you're an exception?
1:43:40
SPEAKER_05: So I think that's another big uh deal here.
1:43:43
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Rifki.
1:43:44
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, just a question on this.
1:43:46
SPEAKER_10: Um, is he only specifically focusing on like the idea of like the future and tomorrow, but not praise, or did I just miss that?
1:43:54
SPEAKER_05: Or is it so I think yeah, uh it's it's a good point.
1:43:57
SPEAKER_05: He does not overtly explain the praise, but um so there's two possibilities I can think of here.
1:44:05
SPEAKER_05: One is that the person is praising himself now by saying, Oh, like I am a person who is involved in learning, but like I'm gonna do it like later, you know?
1:44:22
SPEAKER_05: Or I'm I I'm a person who's like dedicating my life to but like I'll wait till I'm retire and then I'll do it.
1:44:28
SPEAKER_05: But like they're they're they're like and I I don't think this is necessarily verbal.
1:44:31
SPEAKER_05: I think like they're like telling themselves I'm a good person.
1:44:34
SPEAKER_05: Like, have you ever uh heard the what is this?
1:44:38
SPEAKER_05: There's a test you can do, not not like a test filling it out test.
1:44:42
SPEAKER_05: There are things people say about themselves, and then if you ask them to like let's give an example of this.
1:44:48
SPEAKER_05: Let's say a person says, like, oh, I am a like I love volunteering, you know.
1:44:55
SPEAKER_05: I'm a volunteer, I do stuff.
1:44:57
SPEAKER_05: And let's say you ask them, show me the 2026 calendar and show me the amount of days that you volunteered.
1:45:05
SPEAKER_05: Okay, now show me the 2025 calendar, show me the 2020 calculation.
1:45:08
SPEAKER_05: There's a thing where people get you can define yourself based on something that you either used to have or that you aspire to have, but you're not actually doing.
1:45:15
SPEAKER_05: And we actually are what we do, you know.
1:45:17
SPEAKER_05: So I think that that that might be one angle about don't press yourself up tomorrow.
1:45:21
SPEAKER_05: The other angle that I'm less convinced about is it could be like you know, the Tsukamiyao that I read.
1:45:30
SPEAKER_05: He I don't even want to say this.
1:45:35
SPEAKER_05: I was gonna say, like, maybe he means don't make a plan to become a praiseworthy person by doing one of these things in the future.
1:45:44
SPEAKER_05: I don't think that I think the what he's saying earlier is better.
1:45:46
SPEAKER_05: But again, you're you're right, he did he didn't actually say it.
1:45:48
SPEAKER_05: Okay, we're way over time, by the way.
1:45:50
SPEAKER_05: I didn't even realize this.
1:45:50
SPEAKER_05: It's been so long since I've done my initially.
1:45:52
SPEAKER_05: I forgot that we like usually ended 830.
1:45:54
SPEAKER_05: So um, I I just want to read to you two quick other things because uh Yitzi said this.
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SPEAKER_05: Um Sadigon, yeah, Sadigon's last interpretation.
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SPEAKER_05: Vagam alti's hala bitsit kacha, don't trust in your righteousness.
1:46:11
SPEAKER_05: Even if you reach 70 or 80 years of righteousness, alti but shagam ha asid biadaga.
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SPEAKER_05: Don't trust that the future will be in your hand.
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SPEAKER_05: Ki lose is a mikra, oh mikshal yera lacha, bitis talik me alakha, ma'alascha.
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SPEAKER_05: You don't know what occurrence or stumbling block will occur to you and remove your virtue.
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SPEAKER_05: They say in Pierkayavos 2, 4, don't trust in yourself, uh, don't believe in yourself until the day that you die.
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SPEAKER_05: And they give the example of the Ruby Yokanan the Cohen Guttal, I think, or was it Ruby Yochonan?
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SPEAKER_05: I forgot who it was.
1:46:40
SPEAKER_05: Uh Yokanan Koing Guttal, who uh became a tsuduki at the end of his life.
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SPEAKER_05: Uh, and then similarly, Rapshesh bin Yitzhak um Gurondi.
1:46:49
SPEAKER_05: No, I don't want to read that one.
1:46:50
SPEAKER_05: That's gonna open a can of worms.
1:46:52
SPEAKER_05: Uh oh, Yosef Kimchi.
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SPEAKER_05: Oh, Yosef Kimchi says, like like Sidigone said uh for the last one, uh, not this most recent one.
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SPEAKER_05: Don't praise yourself about the day of tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_05: Everything that you're able to do in the matters of your betterment, whether in wisdom, whether in deeds, whether in the causes of your sustenance.
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SPEAKER_05: So he even includes like livelihood, hasten to do them and do not say tomorrow I will do it, for tomorrow is not in your hand, for you do not know the offspring of the days.
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SPEAKER_05: So I guess it's kind of a crossover.
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SPEAKER_05: He's saying the idea of tomorrow not being in your hand, but like if you have a chance to improve something, like don't push off to tomorrow what you could do today.
1:47:22
SPEAKER_05: That's the English proverb about that, right?
1:47:23
SPEAKER_05: Uh, like, unless you have a reason if there's no reason to, then why wouldn't you just like do it now?
1:47:28
SPEAKER_05: Okay, uh, I'm actually not going to recap the entire thing.
1:47:31
SPEAKER_05: Uh, I'm a little uh uh throat hurdy um from the uh the exuberance of the Michle.
1:47:36
SPEAKER_05: But uh oh Miri has stuff also.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay, good.
1:47:38
SPEAKER_05: I gotta tell you, I am super happy with this because even though it sounds like a super easy idea, there are so many little ins and outs, so many nice little filigrees into the gold, you know, filigree openings into the gold that we got.
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SPEAKER_05: And I think again, like all Michle, the more intellectual and emotional different angles you hit it from, the easier it is to internalize.
1:48:00
SPEAKER_05: Um, and oh, I just got to mention the reason the uh the practical example of this also.
1:48:05
SPEAKER_05: I had planned to start giving our Monday night mishlay shear uh two Mondays ago, and I got COVID and it knocked me out for a whole week, you know, and uh and I've been saying, like, oh, finally we're gonna start Mishlei, you know?
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SPEAKER_05: Um, and by the way, this is the idea of saying B'Ezra Hashem or Besiata Dishmaya or Bukhazaris Satsur, and saying that because you want to verbally acknowledge that the future is not in your control, it's in Hashem's control.
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SPEAKER_05: And by verbally uh verbally acknowledging this or in writing, then you're you're also reminding yourself in your mind.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yet.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I thought my Wi-Fi went out for a sec, but I had an idea from before that I wanted to share when you were talking about um the idea of if a person pushes off their learning, yeah, um, then there's like a negative consequence to that.
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SPEAKER_01: They don't they don't stay as the same person.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wonder if it can also be framed in the way of like it's uh like I was kind of thinking of like if a person invests money and like gets interest on it.
1:49:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's the same thing when it comes to learning.
1:49:03
SPEAKER_01: How like you're learning it, but for the next day, it sets you up to learn, it sets you up to more and improve the next day.
1:49:09
SPEAKER_01: So even in terms of positive growth, it sets you up on a like upward trajectory, not just in the negative.
1:49:14
SPEAKER_05: That's a great and uh that's a great uh analogy.
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SPEAKER_05: That is, I feel like Shlomo comparing Chokma to money uh that fits in really well with the investment and the compounding.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:49:21
SPEAKER_05: All right, good.
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SPEAKER_05: All right, this is it's great to be back, and uh God willing, next week uh we will continue.
1:49:29
SPEAKER_05: Okay, have a good night, everyone.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_05: Good night.
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SPEAKER_07: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_07: Thank you.