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Laurieann Gibson Interview and Breakfast Club Best moments · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Button out here. We have two We have an interview today,
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  Speaker 1: Lorie and Gibson. She'll be joining us this morning. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: she has a new book called Dance Your Dance Eight
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  Speaker 1: Lorie Gibson and also Michael Rubin checked in. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Rubin is doing so much with the prison reform.
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  Speaker 1: you on the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this yo? Yo?
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  Speaker 1: You know if your chest bro man listen, So Anda
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  Speaker 1: Ye of everybody, like right now, I got a few questions,
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  Speaker 1: Like I always hear the saying that goes like okay, um,
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  Speaker 1: don't go looking for love finds you? Is that true?
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  Speaker 1: Like like angela Ye has has love found? Like if
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  Speaker 1: that statement really true? Because I'm twenty three, Like I'll
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  Speaker 1: be on these little online dating apps and like I
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  Speaker 1: meet team ups all the time, but all they have
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  Speaker 1: like all they be wanted to do is just like
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  Speaker 1: they don't be one, no real relationships, Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: know yo, Like it's just weird, Like like you said
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  Speaker 1: it yourself. You're only twenty three. You gotta give yourself
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  Speaker 1: some time, man, have patience. Man, you'll you'll find that
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  Speaker 1: one or that want will find you. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like I want a long lasting but like I want
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  Speaker 1: to be in the streets anymore. Like it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: boring to me, like I've been I've been doing this
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  Speaker 1: since I was like eighteen. I think when people say that,
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  Speaker 1: what they mean is you can't force it, right. You
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  Speaker 1: can't force somebody to want to be in a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes you might want something at a specific time,
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  Speaker 1: but if you don't, haven't you can't just be with
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  Speaker 1: somebody because it's convenient. So like like okay, like for instance, right,
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  Speaker 1: like people like Romeo, he just found him a little
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  Speaker 1: like girls and he was like, oh, yeah, I've been
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  Speaker 1: for four years. He said, I've been thinking for four years.
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  Speaker 1: But he didn't think he wasn't for four years. Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure he was doing whatever he was doing,
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  Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, he wasn't feeling like he should
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  Speaker 1: settle down with any of the people that he was dating.
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  Speaker 1: And so there's nothing wrong with dating until you make
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  Speaker 1: sure you feel like that person is the one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and Romeo's thirty one. I tell you something else too, man,
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  Speaker 1: set your table now, like you don't have to do
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  Speaker 1: what everybody else is doing. If you feel like you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to have sex, can you find that one?
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  Speaker 1: Do that? Be celibate? Yeah, be the man that you be,
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  Speaker 1: the good man that you want to be to a woman. Now,
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  Speaker 1: don't wait, It'll happen for you. I believe in you, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Good luck, brother, she's out there. Your Juliet is out
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  Speaker 1: there a Romeo. Hello, who's this? It's Mike? Mike? What
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting off your chests? Mike? So, what's up? I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to hovel buln Hey, Mikes so king you're
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  Speaker 1: doing a good thing. Man, Well you say, man, I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you like man, Thank you? Brother? Yes, sir, yes, sir? Hey,
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  Speaker 1: It was like I wasn't mad at hello? Who's that King?
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  Speaker 1: Jacob blunt Man out of Saint Augustine, Florida. What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Blunt ain't good for you? Smoke a junk? I do
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  Speaker 1: it edible, So check me out all the main listen
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  Speaker 1: this in a while since I've been on here. Y'all
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  Speaker 1: know I used to be on here all the time.
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  Speaker 1: But I gotta give a shout out to Frank lar
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  Speaker 1: Rosa uh m Meg Records out of South Carolina, Charlote
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  Speaker 1: Magne m Eg Records. The CEO is Frank lar Rosa. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're doing big things right now. We did ask somebody
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  Speaker 1: to get signed to Sony the day before yesterday. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: we bought the South Carolina UM around UM, I want
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  Speaker 1: to say Charlotte North Okay. Then we got we got
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  Speaker 1: a couple of people that's in UM South Carolina that
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  Speaker 1: signed the m Meg Records too. I just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: give a big shout out to UM, like I say
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  Speaker 1: Frank lar Rosa, because you know, he changing people's lives
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  Speaker 1: right now, you know, UM and UM shout out to
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  Speaker 1: Little west Side. I'm king Jada blunt Man by the way,
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  Speaker 1: and we got a new song out called Move. It's
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  Speaker 1: hot and it's moving. I don't want to men. Man, yes,
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  Speaker 1: third check it out. Man, It's hot. Charlota Magne, check
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  Speaker 1: out God and we love hanging up. Jesus. It's man
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  Speaker 1: to give out this website and stuff to tell people
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  Speaker 1: how to get to the music black people proper. Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 1: It's mad. People on the line won't go to another rapper.
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  Speaker 1: Hi from Maryland. How are you so? Charlotte man? I
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  Speaker 1: Good morning? So many peace, king, what happing? Get it
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  Speaker 1: off your chests? Man? Man, I'm just I'm in good spirit.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Me and my wife was getting into but
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  Speaker 1: to him? Hey? Man, look, you know I have a
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  Speaker 1: morning mama. Yeah. I listened to y'all every morning, and
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  Speaker 1: That's right, budget that money. Thank you, mama. It's something
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  Speaker 1: my mama. Huh Hello, who's this yo? What's up? This
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  Speaker 1: is fort Corey. What I'm getting off in your chests? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to call to thank uh, well, good morning
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  Speaker 1: to you, Envy Angel Year and charlottmagne Con good morning,
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  Speaker 1: good morning. I wanted to thank you for keeping you
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  Speaker 1: guys in check and uh being very beautiful every morning. Nick,
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  Speaker 1: my morning, is better. Uh. I wanted to thank uh
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  Speaker 1: be In Charlotta Maagne for all the work that y'all too,
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  Speaker 1: especially in the mental health area. Uh. I haven't read
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  Speaker 1: I downloaded Malcolm Xan's autobiography. I just finished U Think
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask if you could probably send me
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  Speaker 1: a book of yours if you don't mind it. I
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  Speaker 1: people be calling up here saying that and then they
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  Speaker 1: don't stay on hold you. We can't get your address
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  Speaker 1: I'll send you a copy of my book and a
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  Speaker 1: the Black Mental Health. I really appreciate that. And lastly,
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, man, y'all got to stop
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  Speaker 1: the fruity stuff up there man, stuff, y'all be doing
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  Speaker 1: too much. You an envy man. Y'all got to cut
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  Speaker 1: it out. Yea, we haven't. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: know that. We haven't flirted with each other all week.
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  Speaker 1: Well keep it that way. I appreciate that. Get it
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  Speaker 1: guest in the building, stephen A Smith. Welcome brother. What's
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  Speaker 1: going on man? Good morning? Good morning, hey, and how
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  Speaker 1: are you doing? Charlomagne? Good y'all. Man. You got a
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  Speaker 1: new show coming on ESPN another one. Yeah, listen, um.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be called stephen A's World, and
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  Speaker 1: you know it's just a half hour show on streaming
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  Speaker 1: ESPN Plus. It's obviously a big priority for them. First year,
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  Speaker 1: Disney Plus had eighty six and a half million subscribers,
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  Speaker 1: ESPN Plus had eleven and a half, so obviously they
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  Speaker 1: want a buffer those numbers, and they came to me
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  Speaker 1: and asked me to do this. And I've known about
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  Speaker 1: this since last year, which is why I gave up
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  Speaker 1: my radio show because this was forthcoming. What makes me
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  Speaker 1: excited about this is a couple of things. Number One,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking to bring a bit more lighthearted this and
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  Speaker 1: levity to certain situations and just you know, show the
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  Speaker 1: light aside of me to some degree and really celebrate
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  Speaker 1: what other people are doing. But the other thing that
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited about is that I'm not only the host
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  Speaker 1: of this. I'm the executive producer and I started my
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  Speaker 1: own production company a few months or a few months
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  Speaker 1: ago missed the Essays productions, and it will be co
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  Speaker 1: producing this in concert with ESPN. So essentially only a host,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm the boss and just trying to set that
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  Speaker 1: example and do what I can to shine, so I
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  Speaker 1: put other people in position to shine as well. When
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  Speaker 1: we first start of the interview, you start, you didn't
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  Speaker 1: sound like the noble stephen A Smith from Queens. You
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  Speaker 1: sounded a lousemble And I know it's because of what
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  Speaker 1: we've seen that happen on Capitol Hill. So what were
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts of seeing that. Well, first of all, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as a black man, let's just call it what it
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  Speaker 1: is if with black people marching up with Capitol Hill
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  Speaker 1: later got shot. But also what jumped to my mind.
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  Speaker 1: I turned and watched Trump's entire speech, and if he
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  Speaker 1: didn't dog whisper, it was even stronger than that. He
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  Speaker 1: told them to go to the state capitol. He told
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  Speaker 1: them to stop this, He told them to essentially engage
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  Speaker 1: in insurrection. And so for me to have a sitting
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  Speaker 1: president of the United States be so flagrantly divisive and
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  Speaker 1: will linked to harm congressional and Senate figures, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how much more egregious it gets. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a blight on our country for years to come,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just really really bad. But if we're honest
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  Speaker 1: about it, it's unfortunate. It's sad, but we ain't surprised.
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  Speaker 1: How hard is it to go on air today and
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  Speaker 1: not talk about what happened yesterday at the Capitol or
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  Speaker 1: do y'all plan to talk about it? I wouldn't know, Charlemagne,
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  Speaker 1: because the ain't no where in hell I'm going on
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  Speaker 1: the air not talking about at ESPN. When it comes
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  Speaker 1: to sports, and politics. Well, let me tell you this.
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  Speaker 1: This is the part and and people in the past.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna mention any names, but here's where they
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  Speaker 1: mess up. Obviously, me being in a position that I'm in,
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  Speaker 1: It's not like I'm just speaking to the supervisor. I
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  Speaker 1: mean the president and I talk every week. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the executive vps of ESPN and I talk every week.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of know them, and they have never said
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  Speaker 1: don't talk politics definitively. What they said is leave the
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  Speaker 1: political expertise to the political experts, and more importantly, give
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  Speaker 1: the audience what they expect to see. If we're ESPN,
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  Speaker 1: we're a sports network. Don't avoid sports to talk about
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  Speaker 1: these other things. Find a way to interweave sports within
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  Speaker 1: the political and social conversation. And because people had a
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  Speaker 1: problem with demandate to not just go directly in the politics,
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  Speaker 1: You've had people that have expressed dismay over that. But
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  Speaker 1: I've never had a problem with it because anytime something
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  Speaker 1: developed and I felt the need to talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: I simply let them know. The Other thing that the
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  Speaker 1: mandate was is that we you work for us, as
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  Speaker 1: we pay you. Why the hell are you expressing yourself
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter? For free, when we're giving you this platform
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  Speaker 1: and we're paying you to use it, use it heat.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see a problem with that that I wouldn't get.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about Jamal Hill. No, no, no, not just her.
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  Speaker 1: I can't think of too many people at ESPN who
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  Speaker 1: even had, you know, that type of energy other than Jamal.
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  Speaker 1: In the pendent there was there was a bunch of them,
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  Speaker 1: believe it or not, and believe it or not, I'll
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: shock you with this, Charlomagne. There's a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 1: wife folks at ESPN that have very, very passionate feelings
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: and obviously some on the other side, and they want
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: to express it even more because they see us expressing it.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is is that what I get, and
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I'll and I'll address this directly because I love Jamal.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: She's a friend. Kerry Champion, I know she's a friend,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Michael Smith. You know. All of these words they did great.
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  Speaker 1: I missed them. I wish they were still at the network.
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  Speaker 1: I don't apologize about that. But what I'm saying to
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  Speaker 1: you is that I would say the same thing to
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  Speaker 1: you now that I've gotten to know you, if I
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  Speaker 1: saw you doing something that I said. I said, Yo, man,
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  Speaker 1: this could ultimately squash you and get in the way
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: of a bigger picture. You too important. I would sit
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: up there and say to you, do you really want
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: to mess that up because of a tweet? Why not
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: use it point? Why not use your airways? Think about
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: about the marathon, not the sprint. That's true. The Breakfast Club.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: If you missed the Breakfast Club, you don't come from
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: my world. It's dangerous. Check out this rewind morning. Everybody
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne, nic guy. We are
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. But we're still kicking it with stephen A. Smith.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I know you got to get up out of here.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: My final question, do you have a desire for people
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to see who you are beyond the sports here to
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: some degree only from the standpoint that you know again,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to pigeonhole myself. I don't want to
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: be somebody that's just about sports. You know, when people
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: when I remember when and I told and I told,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: you know, my white boss, is this a lot of
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: times I've said this to them. A lot of times.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: White folks come to work with a job to do.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Every day, we come with a responsibility. What I mean
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: by that is, I remember when Trey von marn got shot.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I'm walking down the streets and black folks walking up
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to me, Steven, are you gotta touch on this? Steven?
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Are you gotta say this yet? That wasn't a sports story,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: but they said it was necessary. And then when the
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Miami Heat put on their hoodies, they really said, you
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: gotta touch on this. Now. I was going to any way,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: but they were telling me that white folks don't hear that.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: You don't see white folks going up to other white
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: folks saying that you got to do it. So understanding
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that black folks feel that way, why do they feel
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  Speaker 1: that way. It's not because of me. It's because of
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the position that I'm in. I have a platform that
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: most of us don't have, and so what they're doing
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: is calling upon me to bring light and to bring
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: attention to things, just the same way you might ask
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: an athlete too, if not more so not with the
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: after you're asking them to say something and be active
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: in that regard. With me, you're not only asking me
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: to say something, You're asking me to be that conduit
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: for others to speak as well, to make sure that
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I provide the platform for others that need to be
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: heard to be heard. And I take that role very,
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  Speaker 1: very seriously. I don't feel compelled to agree with any
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  Speaker 1: damn body and say what I don't feel. But I
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: do feel compelled to make sure that even if you
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: disagree with me, if you speak for a vast majority
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  Speaker 1: of us, you need to be heard. And so what
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I try to do is make sure that I do that.
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  Speaker 1: And in that regard, that's where I look at myself
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: beyond the world of sports, using sports to extend myself
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: beyond it, to address more deeper issues, enlightening myself, educating
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: myself either by reading more, watching more, learning more, but
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: more importantly connecting myself with people I know no stuff
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: so they will educate me as well. And I add
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: one question too. I wanted to ask about Lebron purchasing,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: putting together a team, purchase the Atlantic team, What think
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: that to do for the w NBA and had to
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: lift the w NBA more said, they can make more money,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: get more endorsement, and more people watch. I love it
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  Speaker 1: because I think that Lebron is pretty brilliant with a
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: lot of the things that he does and obviously he's conscientious,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and I think him owning a w NBA team is
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: more about getting it away from Leffler, the senate figure
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that just lost in Georgia, to Warnock. So I think
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: that's what it's about for him more so than anything else,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and I applaud his position on that. What I would
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: say is this, though, and I'll say this respectfully, that
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  Speaker 1: all of those females out there, you know, the fellas,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: we got NBA, we got NFL, we got Major League Baseball,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: we got the boxing, we got the UFC, we got
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: all of that. These women have been out there busting
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: their tail for years trying to make the w NBA
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  Speaker 1: into something. Last time I checked, when you are successful
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in terms of ingratiating yourself with the average consumer out there,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you usually are successful because you found a way to
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: ingratiate yourself with that female audience. For some reason, females
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: are not supporting the w NBA enough, because if they were,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the NBWNBA would be far more successful than it is.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: So rather than folks talking about what the w NBA needs,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: how about the w NBA highlighting in the eyes of
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: women out there. Excuse me, we need all the support
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: we can get from y'all, because when females step up
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and support you, you win. Steven, we appreciate you for
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: checking in. Stephen A. Smith, Thank you for checking in.
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  Speaker 1: Brother started stephen A's world. They abuse Monday this Monday,
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  Speaker 1: January eleventh. On the Endlation, thank you so much. Appreciate y'all,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: y'all take care. I'm a rights to Breakfast Club to
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  Speaker 1: stephen A. Smith. Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Charlomagne the guy, we are the Breakfast Club. Naphew just
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: joined us. We're talking about a white man, a white
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: gentleman that posted this on Instagram. If you see my account,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you know of stuff. I like to talk about a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: lot of sociology and my experience. I have better conversations
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: about that with black women. Also, black women don't have
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: an issue with my friends have multiple white girls be like,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: why do you hang out with so many black people?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: That's because black people don't ask me dumb questions like that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: So I was a criminal for a long time. I
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: think a lot of white girls are like drug dealers
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: because it's cool. White women will let yourself destruct. Black
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  Speaker 1: women seem to genuinely care and want me to do better.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: So I don't feel that comfortable around white people. Feel
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: like black people laugh with me, white people laugh at me.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I love it. I think that is great. I think
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that improves race relations in America. You have that white
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: man professing his love for black women, and I think
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  Speaker 1: anytime we can bring each other together, it is a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Beautiful thing. All right, Well, let's go to
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  Speaker 1: the phone line and see if we can get some Well,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: we're looking for white men who feel that same way
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: white women and also white women who feel that way
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: about black men are black women? Right? Yep? Yeah, David morning. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: what's your name? Brod David? Right? Hey, yeah, hi David,
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  Speaker 1: How are you, sir? You like your coffee? Black? Hi? Everyone?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely? Why? Why? Well? Black take care of
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  Speaker 1: the men better. My current wife have been married for
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: three years. When I first met her, I think I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: had a chance with her. But she saw potential in
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: me and she inspired me to do better. And I've
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: done better. We will clean you up? Did she clean
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: me up? I mean improve my credit score? We bought
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a house together. Black women improving a white man's credit
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: score drop one. A clues bomb from God you gave me. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: God in the form of a black woman can do that.
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  Speaker 1: She's showing the path to a better life. My brother, David,
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  Speaker 1: my brother, I'll stop you when you stop telling the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: truth yet, David, you know we love, we love a
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: good fixer. Hello. Who's this Hi? My name is Angie.
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  Speaker 1: I'm from Queen. Angie from Queens. Now, Angie, you black?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I'm white? Oh Queens, I'm from New York. Okay, after
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you can say, how will beach up right now? You
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: like black men only? Yeah? I do? Um. I feel
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: like because I grew up in a predominantly black and
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Hispanic neighborhood, I has all black friends growing up, like
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  Speaker 1: I just never thought twice about it. That's what I'm
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: attracted tool. I've actually never even dated a white man before.
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  Speaker 1: This is beautiful. We are bringing people together this morning,
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  Speaker 1: and I really feel like anytime, especially in these difficult
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: times that we're in, when it comes to race, we
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: can bring people together. This is a beautiful thing. I
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: am happy to hear this, these white people professing their
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: love for their black booze. I actually my son is
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: black black so well. I mean that's how it works.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: If you got a black baby daddy exactly, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what's his name? Well, thank you, thank you, murmur, thank you.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: What's your name? Shout out your shout out your baby
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  Speaker 1: daddy and your son. My son's name is Data, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: my baby daddy's name is Lamar. There you go, and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: his name Lamar name, Lamar, Jamar tyrone after black? Is
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: he gonna get? Hello? Who's this? Ar? Harry? What's up? Aaron?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: What's up? All right? Now? Jamar? Now? Flowing down around
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: black people too long? Ary? What's up? Side? What's up? So?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: He said, fell and were you from? I think it's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's a generational thing. I'm originally from the
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  Speaker 1: West Coast, so we mixed a little bit more over there.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I know on the East Coast, you guys are a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: little bit more separate. But the thing is is that
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: my generation I graduated in ninety, I'm forty eight. I
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: think my generation it was taboo for so long that
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: in my generation, the white girls were looking for black
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: guys and the black guy and the white boys were
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: looking for black girls. And that's just how it was
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: where I grew up. Okay, so you so you got
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a black bull? Now? I had I was married to
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: a black woman for a little bit, for a minute.
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  Speaker 1: What happened? Uh? What happened? We just worked compatible. But
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  Speaker 1: she was a good woman. I ain't got nothing negative
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  Speaker 1: to say about her. So your your next, your next, Bay.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: You want her to be black too. So the last
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  Speaker 1: girl I was with was Afro Peruvian, so she was
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: like a unicorn. She was last and black. So I
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: was trying to get that for Latino's out here. Hello,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: he say, oh man, I'm losing you guys. No, we're good.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: So right, So you want you want to you want
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to a black woman, and that's beautiful because you know, no, no,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't discriminate. It's all pink in the middle.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But it's like, all right, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: all right, y'all, ain't up on the men, all right, man,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: ain't tell a lie. It is all pink in the middle. Hello,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: who's this, Shannon? What are you? Sir? Grace was um,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I'm a white male from London, Florida. Okay, okay, all right,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: prefer black women or black men. No, no women, women women,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's not go there. I got ass,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I got ass, I get a soup. But why there's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: no reason. Really, I met my wife in college, probably
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: ten years ago. Yeah, coming up to ten years what
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: HBCU did you go to Bloke? No? No, I went
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to I went to a small college in Kansas. It's
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: most country, redneck town I've ever been to my life.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: And you met a beautiful black queen on that campus.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: What's her name? Her name is? Ambo? Tell me how
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: you tell me how y'all first grew in love? Man,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Tell me my brother. She turned mind to me one
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: day and say, hey, can you can you say hey baby?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Because obviously the accent and then it just went from
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: there baback hey, babe back. Yeah, and you've been with
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: baby ever since. Yeah, she's turned me into an I think, um.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: The thing with black women that I've experienced, the um
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: they put you in line, and men need a strong
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: woman to put you in line them. I appreciate it
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: for that because she definitely made my life belt. That
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: is very cum. I appreciate you, my brother. I appreciate
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you for appreciating the queens. No, no, I appreciate you
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: guys for having me on that. All right, take you
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: say bobe baby all right? By baby turned on oh God,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and he turn your love, you know like that Bob
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Bay is a white guy, he's interested in the black
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: guy by By that's wrong with you, yo, you can't
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: eat this morning many the moral of the stories. Anytime
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: you can improve race relations in America, you should, especially
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: because race relations are trash right now in America. I
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: mean they always have been, but you know, they're really
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: bad right now. And I love to hear white people
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: professing their love for black folks. All right, we got
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: more coming up next with a breakfast club. Yeah, it's
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the World Know Dangers Morning to show the Breakfast Club
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Charlomagne God, Angela y DJ. And we got a special
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: guest in the building. You know. Every time he pulls up,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: he's telling us something good. Michael Rubin his hell, yes,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: well what's talking to guys? Back to be here. You
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: have a big announcement, we do. We're really excited today
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: we announced that Robert Rooks is going to be the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: new CEO of the Reform Alliance. It's really exciting for us.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: We're two years into this. We've had huge accomplishments so far.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Ban Jones, who started this with us, done incredible job.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: He's moving to the co chair of the Reform Action
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Fund but Robert's going to take over. He was most
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: recently the CEO of the Alliance or Safety Injustice, which
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: has done incredible work in the space, and we're really
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: excited to have him. And uh, this has been a
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: it's been a great start and journey so far. But
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: we're just getting started and we're we're really pumped up
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: about it. Why why to change? You know for us?
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: You know, from the day we started, this really goes
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: back to when Meek was in prison. We've talked about
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: we had to do something really significant. We had to
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: go out and you know, change these probation for all laws.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: They keeping so many people stuck in the system. And
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: you know, from the start, we asked Band to come
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in and help start this and help build this, and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: he did everything we asked him to do. We've had
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: some giant wins, which you would getting into big wins
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: in California, Michigan, UM. But it was always the plan
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: for him to start this, build us and then kind
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of go to the board position and also kind of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: be the co chair of the Reform Action Funds. It's
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: really exactly as we planned it and for Robert. You know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: this is a guy that he's spent his entire life
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: changing laws, doing this work, and he's as good as
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: you're getting this field. So it's kind of, you know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: are the same way we build a business. We just
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: gotta keep growing and pushing. You know. I want you
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: to talk about some of those winners, Michael, because you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: people see organizations like Reform Alliance and they ask questions like, well,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: what do they do? We always see these, you know, announcements,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, we're giving money here, we're doing it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: What what What has Reform Alliance done? What are some
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: of those wins Over the last few months, We've had
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: some really big wins so far. At first in California
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: um UM, going into the holidays, they put in a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: one year cap on misdemean in probation and a two
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: year cap on FELI infrobation. That was really the most
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: trend formative probation laws really in the country. And as
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: you guys know, the problem is so many people, you know,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: four and a half million people on probation and parole
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: in this country. It's basically a trap door. It keeps
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you in the system and sort of put hard limits
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: on how long you can be in the system like
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: California did in a ruined big state, was a breakthrough
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: for us. I think we're gonna bring the population down
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: by thirty three percent of people on probation and parole
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: in California, of course, while keeping community safe. So that
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: was a giant win for us, and I think a
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: lot of states looked and said like holy like this
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: is like one or two year hard caps on probation
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: for mister milliership and felonies. We should do something similar
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to that. And then Michigan came right over in the
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: right over on the holidays. It was great holiday get
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: for all of us, and they reduced how long you
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: could be on felon in probation from five years to
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: three years. So from the first time it came on
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Your Guys Show, we said we had a couple goals
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: to reduce and cap how long you could be on
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: probation for and not have what happened to meet be
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: able to happen to the everyday meet when people just
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: on probation continuously. The second thing we want to do
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: was limit how long you know that you couldn't have
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: these technical violations where you didn't break a law, you
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: end it back in prison. And that's what we've been
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: focused on over the past two years and having giant
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: wins in California Michigan, is you know, big validation of
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: our strategy now, Rabbit, I know you're just doing us
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to do on a chime in on your new position
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and Reform alliance and some of the strikes that you
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: plan to make. And I also want to talk about
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the new administration and what your thoughts are and if
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you feel hopeful and what do you hope to get done. Well,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: thank you for the question, and thank you for the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: space to be able to talk about this important issue
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: of probation and pro reform. I'm honored to lead Reform
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: into the next phase of growth. You know, I have
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of respect for Michael, for Van and
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the founding partners of Reform in their commitment to this
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: issue of probation and pro because I've been in this
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: work in this field for over twenty years. I am
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: a community organizer. I have been knocking on doors for
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: twenty four years talking to people about public safety, and
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I have been hearing on the ground that this issue
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: of probation and pro reform was an issue, was a problem,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: was a track for many people. And to have folks
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: like Michael and other founding board members come in and say, Hey,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: this is going to be a priority, This is gonna
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: be something we're gonna focus on. We're going to stay
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: in our lane regarding how we're going to end master persuation,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: but we're going to elevate this issue to a really
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: high level. It's truly honored for me to come in
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: and help guide the ship in terms of what I
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: hope to bring into this space and into this into reform.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: It's basically, you know, me being kind of a community organizer,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: knowing what people on the ground really think, and also
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: me being in positions where I ran campaigns and one
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: campaigns in states like California, o Hio, Michigan, Texas, Florida.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I work in California. We've reduced the prison population there,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: but of course of thirty percent. When I moved to
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: California in two thousand and twelve, we had about one
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: hundred and seventy yars old thousand people in our prison system.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Today we're right at ninety six thousand. That's big change,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: that's big reform and so reform as possible, impact as possible.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: And now I'm even more excited to join these titans
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: in their own field, in their own respect, to come
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: together and bring the form alliance to a whole new level. Now,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: rob but you kind of look like Van with hair
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: just a little bit. Maybe maybe it's the zoom, I
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: don't know, but you kind of look like Van with
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: hair just a little taddy bit. I want I appreciate that,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, as I said that, Okay, I'm sorry, No,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, man, you know, Van is gonna
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: go down is one of the great you know, thinkers
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and communication minds of this generation. For sure. He's a
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: true genius. And so just coming in to a space
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: where he's built a highly competent team and and and
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: move in the organization from upstart to high performing, it's
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: a true honor. So yeah, I look forward to continuing
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to work with Van. He's being elevated to the board
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: as well as the team that he already has. But
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: that's all you spoke on it a little bit, Robert,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: But what do you hope to specifically accomplish with your
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: new leadership, bro? So specifically, our goal is to move
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: a million people, offer probation and parole and create real
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: pathways to work, to wealth and well be This is
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: critical when we talk about how we're going to end
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: mass incarceration. We're gonna do it by changing law us
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to keep people from going in. We're going to do
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: it by strength, shrenthing the length people stay. And we're
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: going to do it by making sure people have real
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: pathways when it come out so they can fully re
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: enterest into society in ways that will help them succeed.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: We have to do it at all fronts, and so
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: reforms role and what I'm going to continue to work
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: on based on what was already there, it's to hone
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: in on how people on probation and parole are in
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: this trap, are in this trap where they have these
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: stipulations that really aren't nearly impossible to hold when and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: also have a family and a job. And and so
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: we're gonna change how people are probation and pro are treated.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: We're going to stop the pipeline that people are probation
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: parole are in because basically probation prole today it's prison
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: preparedness and and and we need to stop that pipeline.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: That that that's resulting in people infermation for all going
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: into prison. All Right, we got more with Michael Rubin
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and Robert Rooks when we come back. Is the breakfast Club,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Good morning morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: the guy. We are the breakfast Club. We have Michael
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Ruben and Robert Rooks in the building. But the things
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: that you would say that the administration needs to do
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: right now in order to improve conditions and also to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: make sure less people are going to prison and not
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: getting these lengthy terms. Yeah, First of all, I'm excited
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: about the income administration. I am thrilled by some of
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the decisions and moves that they've made to set up
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: this conversation. Some of my closest colleagues are going in
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: UM so you know, I text them to Hey, you
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: know we're coming. You know, you know we're gonna be
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: having a direct conversation about this issue. One of the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: things I would love to see the administration do is
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: incentivize good behavior, good practices at the state level. And
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: when we guid into mass incarceration, one of the ways
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: was that in the ninety four crimac they incentivized states
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to pass truth in sentencing laws, and so states a
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: handful of states follow that lead, receive additional resources from
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: the federal government and grew their prison systems. We can
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: do that in reverse. We can incentivize states to say, hey,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: if you're coming up with true alternatives to incarceration, if
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: you're coming up with programs that's going to build out
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: health and support for people on probation and parole, we
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: can incentivize you. We can give you resources to build
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: those things out. That's one of the key things I
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: would love for this administration to do is incentivize states
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to do the right thing. You know, it's interesting, right
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: because Donald Trump might go down to history as the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: worst president of all time, but in terms of reform,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you can't act like you didn't take a first step
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: with the first step back. So do you think Present
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and Biden his administration will take a second step and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: a third one on the fourth proNT Like, how do
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: you think they helped to cause a reform? Yeah? I
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: think I think they have a mandate too. You know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: black folks showed up in key places like Michigan and Georgia,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: and black folks want to see the criminal justice system
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: change like it's it's it's clear, it's unapologeticum, and it's
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: right and and and so there's certainly a mandate to
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: do the right thing here. I expect Biden is going
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: to do everything he can and his administration to do
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the right thing. How the politics line up, we'll see.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: But here's what's important about this conversation too. You know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: we can't wait for Superman, like, we can't show up
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: in the polls and then wait and see what the
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: administration is going to do. We have to engage. We
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: have to just like we organize during the election, we
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: have to organize like that now to get what we want.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: That's how democracy works, That's how politics work. And so
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I would I would message to your folks. It's like, hey,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: let's let's let's get together, let's talk about the things
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: we wanted to see the administration do, and let's put
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: their appropriate pressure on and so the to get them
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: to do it. And with all the new marijuana laws
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and people who are still in jail because of marijuana,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: how do we make sure that they get out? Yeah? No,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: that's that that that's an excellent point. I mean, there
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: there are a number of ways we can do. I
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: would just first like to see an executive order that
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: that basically, uh, you know what, pardons everyone that's that's
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: in on on marijuana. Yes, man, you know that that
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: what makes the most sense. You have on one end,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: people uh in businesses that's making money um off of marijuana,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: which which which they should and we need to make
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: sure that uh that that that that there's proper race
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: representation in those businesses. But at the same time, we
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: can't have people serving out time that's what people are
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: now making money on. Just doesn't make sense. I'm actually
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: upset with the Biden Harris administration about that, only because
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: that's something they ran on. Even when it was the
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Senate race in Georgia. They were saying, if you want
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: we need to be decriminalized, vote for John Auso and
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Ralph war nug Like. That should have been something that
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: they handled. Literally in the first few days, decriminalized marijuana
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: free all of the people that are in jail with
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: non violent drug offenses for week. No imagine you're sitting
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: in jail for a marijuana offense and weed has been
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: decriminalized and companies are making millions of dollars off of
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: it and you're still in jail. You know, I would
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: have said that was impossible before four years ago, before
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I got to understand the system. Now, I'd say that's
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: a normal day. And that's why we all need to
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: bear to face. These laws go state by state, put
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: pressure on everyone that matters, and you know, get to
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: a better place. You know, unfortunately, you know this is
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the country's not effective. You've got a completely broken criminal
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: justice system. Is not logical, and that's why we got
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: to bring out every resource and get people really working
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: together to fix these problems. It's logic does not prevail
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: until you're forced to prevail. Now, you're right, Michael, Now, Michael, um,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering, right you and Robert Meek has been the
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: face of this for a while. Are you bringing on
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: other individuals? Yeah, i'd say me. The way I really
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: look at this is Meek was really the inspiration of this,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and you gotta kind of go back to what really happened.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: You know, I had no understanding that this shoul really happened.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I lived through it with me, you know, we talked
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: every day about how when he got out of prison,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: we had to do something about this and that is
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: that will always be an inspiration far while we started
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: this and will never kind of forget that. But I
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: think what Meek says all the time, and I agree
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: with this is this is about getting the everyday meets
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: where there's millions of people that are unfairly stuck within
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the system. I think one of the things that was
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: so exciting to be Robert. He's built so many different
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: campaigns about taking people that have been adversely affected in
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a state and using the everyday people to really help
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: shed a light on these issues. So this is what
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Robert's done in his entire career. This is why roberts
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: the perfect person to take reform you know kind of
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: ford And that's what I'm so excited about. So Robert,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I love you to jump in and say, you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: talk about what you've done and writing kind of what
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: a normal, you know campaign is like in your life,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: because we're gonna do the same thing here the everyday
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: people affected by this every iteration, it's exactly what Michael said.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: It's about bringing everyday people to the table to let
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: their voices be heard about what they want out of
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the justice system. My most recent iteration of that at
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Alliance and Safety Injustice was to hear from and elevate
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the voices of victims of crime. You know, historically people
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: may think victims want to throw people in prison and
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: throw away to keep. What we found is that when
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you talk to victims and communities hit hard by crimon violence,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: when we talk to black folk that's been victimized by crime,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: they don't want to throw people in prison and throw
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: away to keep. They want to stop what happened from
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: happening again. They want real investments in their community. They
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: want treatment instead of incarceration, they want investments in mental health.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: And what we saw was that there was a missing
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: voice in the criminal justice debate, that these folks who've
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: been impacted by crime and violence didn't have a stay
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and at the same time, their name was being used
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to justify mass incarceration. And so part of our work
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: was to elevate the voices of victims to say, not
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: in my name, We do not want to see prisons
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: and jails built. We want investments in our communities to
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: start crime for happening. So now we're at the Lions
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of Safety and Justice have over one hundred thousand members
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: victims of crime. We weighed in on the election. We
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: had a whole campaign called Heal the Vote, which was
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: bringing these stories to lie as to what we want
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the justice system to say. And so yeah, I have
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: a background experience of bringing people together, elevating their voices,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and moving in in direction of making real change happen.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: You know the reason I asked about that is because
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I think about Michael and Philly, and you
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: know there's a brother in Philly, man who who did
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: twenty years in prison. You know who's peaks out about
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the injustices that happened in prison, and that's Wallow. I
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: would love to see Wallow down with the Reform Alliance
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: in some way shape reform. Do you know Wallow? Michael?
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I think I've met Wallow. I'm pretty sure I have.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you something. One of the great
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: things by having a Meek Mill, a Jay z a
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Robert Kraft as founding members of this is they've been
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: so much more attention to it, gets so many more
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: people to want to help. One thing is to get
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: everyone who's affected to work together. But if we get
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the people that art effected to care about this issue
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and work together, that's bigger than anything. And the great
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: thing is with our board members, they're always saying, like,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: what else can we do? Who do you want me
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: to call? How can I help? And you know, we
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: gotta do that on a massive scale. And so we
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: need your guy, and we need millions of people, and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: we need them of all the backgrounds, because that's the
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: only way we're gonna fix this. If not, it's gonna
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: be the same thing that happens, you know, for the
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: past twenty years. I'm telling me we got all. I'm
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: gonna tell me Kla Wallow, all right, we got more
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: with Michael Rubin and Robert Rooks. When we come back,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: it's the breakfast club. Good morning, working on a weekend
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: like usual, way off and it deepen like usual. Swear
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: they passed us. They're doing too much. Haven't done my taxes.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I'm too turned up. Virgil got a paddock on my
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: risk going nuts. Caught me slipping once. Okay, So what
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: someone hits your block up? I tell you if it
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: was us man, our house in Rosewood too. Plus save
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: my Day's a number. But I keep waking up. No,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you see my text, baby, please say something fine by
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the class man, our chiefs gain home, gotta move on
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: my release, staying home. This is fame, knockclout. I don't
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: even know what that's about. Watch your mouth, baby, got
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: it ego twice the size of the crib. I can
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: never tell it that it is what it is, said
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: what I had to and did what I did. Never
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: term my medal, mg goverbid Virgil got Paddock on my
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: rist doing front flips, giving you my number. But don't
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: get me, you don't. I'm done morning. Everybody is DJ
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Envy Angela yee. Charlomagne the guy. We are the breakfast club.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: We have Michael Ruben and Robert Rooks in the building. Charlomagne.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: You know when I look at you know, Robert Kraft,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: and I look at Jay Z and I look at
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Michael Rubin buying fifty million dollar houses in the Hampton's,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I have to ask, what is the pay like for
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the CEO reform? Robert, Hey, hey, listen. You know this
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: is a generational problem, right. The issue of probation parole
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: is an issue that undermines individuals, undermines families, undermines community,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: undermines the economic net of possibilities for everyday people. And
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: so we're going to be weighing in and changing that.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: And we have generational actors Jay Z and Mike Rubin
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: or honor Um and others. These are people that have
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: made significant impact in their own space coming together and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna make a generational change. But I was talking
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: about generational wealth and the generational wealth they have and
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: how much of that are they giving to you to
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: be ceo. Oh yeah, no, no, I'm getting there, and
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I appreciate, but I just wanted the highlight. He just
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: he comes out with the hard charging questions and I'm
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: sure tell you what's up? How was you making? Man?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I know right, I'm sure the biggest day office though,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: when you see the effect that it has on families
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: and on people who are you know, cause, imagine how
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: much that affects people's families, not even just a person
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: who goes to jail or is on probation. That affects
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the whole family. So in the whole community that you
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: have entire communities where like fifty percent of the folks
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: are in the system somehow fitting the black men, let
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: me say, are in the system. Where do you think
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: that does to the tax base? Where do you think
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: that does to the household to the community, to parks,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: to like activities, sports like it undermines all of that,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: and so we need to just get the weight of
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: the system off of everyday people's backs. And and that's
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: what that's what one hey, Charlotte Mane I alway had
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: to tell them because the question you ask is actually
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: an important question, and the reason is the way we
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: want to build a Reform Alliance is like an entrepreneur
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: based venture company, go out and get the best talent.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: That's a win. One of the problems when you're looking
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: at a lot of you know, I'm just being blood,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of charitable work just across the world is
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: they have a bunch of people who care deeply about
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: the issue, but they're not beasts. We need beasts to
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: feel like, you know, Robert's a beast. Okay, Van was
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: a beast on this. Robert's gonna build a team like
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Robert's got an incredible team that Van built that he's
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of work with, and he's going to
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: continue to build that team. And I gotta tell you
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: something in my company, in my day job, but it's
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: no different with the Reform Alliance. We will never stop
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: to get the best talent available to winner what we
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: want to do. And I'll tell you it comes back
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: to when we started the Reform Alliance. I don't want
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: to say who it was, but I had a really
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: close friend of mine, really successful person, and he said,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of what's your goal? And I said,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: you know, what do you think my goals should be? Says,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I think you should get You should have been going
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: to get ten thousand people off information for all. I
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: thought about it for mini. I said, we're gonna do
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: a million. He said, huh. I said, we want to
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: get a million people out of the system. He said,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: how'd you come up with that? I said, well, there's
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: four and a half million people on probation for all.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Then there's there's probably two or three million too many,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: so millions of nothing goal. It's only like I have
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: for a third of the people that we shouldn't be
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: getting necessary, so it's an easy goal. He said, well,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I think ten thousands of right number. And the reason
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I tell you this story is because you have to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: think big. You have to build big. It's no different
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: than business. What you guys do. You guys probably all
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: have dreamings and he just keep pushing and pushing, so
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: for me coming up with a goal of getting a
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: million people of the system, which we just gotta hit.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: And by the way, we've got hundreds of thousands of
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: people already coming out of permission probas so what we've
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: done in California, Michigan, the other states. So we're tracking
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: through our boat getting a million people out of the system.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing when you build an organization. We
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: wanted to get Robert to be our next CEO. We
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: want Robert to have any the tools he needs to
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: have the most successful organization so that we win and
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: what we want to do because if not, how we
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: actually accomplish this boy ball call. No y'all y'all have
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: y'all have really really really elevated the conversation about prison
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: reform with the Reformer lines, and it is very inspiring.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I've you know, I've had conversations with dads about this
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: just I want to build something like this for mental
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: health as well, just because what y'all have done with
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the Reformer Lines, It's created this big, large conversation that
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  Speaker 1: transcends hip hop, pop culture and just you know, everyday society.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: And I think that's dope, that's how you get things done. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That I love hearing that. That makes me so happy
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: because to me, you know, we got to find inspiration
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: to inspire ourselves in the same way that meeting inspired,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: you know, all of us collectively to start the reformal lines.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if in any small way we help you
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  Speaker 1: to go out into something great, that's incredible. I can
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: tell you. It's funny. Mental health is an issue that
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I never understood. And you know, I like I was
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: always just kind of given by the way my mom
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: was a psychiatrist. I grew up in an environment it
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: was just like kind of you set your mind is
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: something and you know, you have blinders on them. And
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: then I realized, like in the last five or ten years, well,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: this is a much bigger issue than I understood, and
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you know, it's somebody and by the way, you know,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: big about people that are stuck with it. Like, by
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: the way, the people that I think have so many
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: you know, been so adverssively affected by mental health. Is
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: when you grow up in an environment, a ruthless environment,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: how are you not going to have you know, significant
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: mental health issues prevalent in your community. So somebody like
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: you that puts this on the shoulders can make a
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: huge difference. And it's about by the way, it's about
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: thinking differently, just being unrelented, and that's like, that's what
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: makes you know, I know what we do business, what
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I you know what we're doing with the reform lines.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: We just don't quit. It's like you're just you're saying,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I got this big goal, I'm gonna go after I'm
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: not gonna fucking quit. I acomplish it. And it's the
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: same thing if you do that. So you know, I'd
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: love to help you in any way possible because it
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: is a really big issue that I understand better now
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: than I did in the past. Still not well enough,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: but you know, you can make a huge difference. And
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you know what that's that will be more impactful than
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: anything else you do, because I can tell you, um,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: you know, for me, I've had a fair amount of
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: success in business and I love it and completely driven
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: by it. But I'm so excited about like I'm you know,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I'm more excited to be talking about reformal lines than
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I am about anything else because it's the millions of
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: people's lives that we can affect, and that's you know,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: when I'm not here one day, you know that'll be
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: probably you know, the thing that I'll be, you know,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: most proud about looking up. So yeah, and I mean
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: in a gold hand to hand with what y'all doing,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: because I mean, if you go to prison for ten
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: fifteen years, you think you're not gonna come home and
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: have to judge, you don't think you're dealing with no
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: mental health issue. I think if you go rob oh yeah, no,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I just want to jump in trouble. May Man. So
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: good to hear you say this, and it is directly
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: connected to what we're gonna do or perform, alliance. We're
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: gonna shrink the system that like, that's what we're gonna
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: We're gonna shrink the system. It's an eighty billion dollar
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: budget right now for prisons and jails and and and
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: to keep people in the cartural state. We're gonna shrink that.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: We're gonna take the money out of that and invested
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: in real programs and opportunities for people at the local level.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: And that's mental health. That's mental health, that that substitutes treatment.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Those are things that allow us to get at what's
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: the root cause of some of these crimes. We're only
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: putting a band aid on on issues and it's not
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: helping anyone. And so as we are successful moving those
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: resources to mental health program it would be great to
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: have a partner like you Mantus elevating the issue, talking
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: about the state by state and ensuring that these programs
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: get off the ground so they can help everyday people.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want to butcher this number, but I believe
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: and Robert keep me honest. Here in California, once we
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: implemented the one year cap on misdemeanors and to your
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: cap unfelony probation, I think they projected they're gonna have
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: a two billion dollars savings over the next five years,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: and the number one thing they talk about is investing
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: that in mental illness and mental health. Now, how like,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: how beautiful is that we have a screwed up system
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: that we're for fixing. We're then taking call savings and
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: invest in an area that needs, you know, incredible investment.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: So to me, that's like, actually, you know, you gotta
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: give it to Gavenues with the governor California. I mean,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: this guy has had a lot of courage and he's
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: taken by way, he's taking a lot of shit for
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: you know, being out there and doing the right thing.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: And you know, he's done a lot for criminal justice
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: before him. And I gotta tell you, you know, I
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: only met him in the last year every way during
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: this process, but he's a guy who's put this stuff
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: on his shoulders and said I'm gonna do the right
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: thing and I'm gonna take the savings to invest in
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: other areas with a lot of backlash, a lot of
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: people fighting against him, but he's the guy who, uh,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: you know, he's had courage to to uh, you know,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: make big, big changes and really set a standard and
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: news standard for other states to look at and say,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: this is the way we should operate. If we could
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: have the laws in California and every state in the country,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: we'd be a rap on probation and pro law changes.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: There's still be so much more work to do. We
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: have the laws right and that we have the framework
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: right to go do so much other work as a
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: you know, as an out out him output them getting
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: those changes made. That's right. Reformer Lions dot Com Michael Rubin,
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  Speaker 1: Robert Rookes, thank y'all appreciate everything. Y'all are doing my brothers.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys, thanks so much. All right, the bas club,
• 56:25
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• 56:40
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  Speaker 1: a judgment who was going to be on the donkey
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  Speaker 1: of the day. They chose you because the breakfast Club, bitchy,
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  Speaker 1: who's donkey of the day to day donkey of the
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: day goes to Peter the People for Ethical Treatment of Animals. Now,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: respect Peter and what they stand for. Won't stop me
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: from enjoying the flesh of delicious creatures like cows, chickens, turkeys, lambs, goats,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: and various fish. What about oxes, I tell's real ox Yeah, okay,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed those two. Listen. I'm from Monks Corner, South Carolina.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: All day. I eat dead meat, all right, don't think
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: for one second, baby won't get eaten if it's cooked right,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: squirreled dumplings. I've eaten bad shoulder in West Virginia. Look, man,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I am an omnivore. Okay, meat and plants that's what
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I like. But I respect Peter. Okay. Some things I
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: agree with when it comes to them. Okay. One thing
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I agree with is I don't like seeing animals caged. Okay.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I think zoos are animal prisons. And it's something about
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: knowing people went to kidnap animals to enslave them that
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: feels all too familiar to my ancestors. Okay. I also
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: don't like to see animals tortured when they boiled them alive,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: or hanging them up in those meat markets, just stick
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: hooks through them, listening to them scream. I hate it. Okay.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I want you to make it to my dinner plate.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: It's peacefully, it's possible. Now we have had Ingrid Nork,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the CEO of Peter on Breakfast Club. By the way,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: let me refresh your memory. Play some clips from it.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: We ate everybody else, and I say everybody who, well,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: we ate veal. For example, that was one no. You know, hey, Charmante,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: you know feel it's the baby cow and the mother
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: loves that cow. I've heard people say you should always
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: eat the mother. If you're gonna eat the well, it
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: actually would be a courtesy if you shot the mother first.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: In the head when she wasn't looking. But no, I
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: still ate shellfish until one day in a restaurant they
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: brought a plate of live lobsters. To the time. When
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I see that, when you walk into a restaurant and
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: you can see the live though, I'm like, oh man,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: how could you love it? Know you jun't. You're just pretending.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I know you, and you know what's happening out in
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: the West Colorado. In those places they people are getting
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Kreutzfeldt yakub disease. It's just like mad cow disease, and
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: it's add elk disease. Elk is really tasty. I'm not
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: that at those time that you ate. Then good morning, Ingrid.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: You're welcome back at any time. But I'm telling you
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: right now, when you come back, when you are debating
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: this foolishness, that Peter release you. According to various news sources,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Peta is calling on humans to denounce animal insults like chicken,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: our pig our rat. I repeat, Peter is calling on
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: humans to denounce animal insults like chicken, our pig, are rat.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Let me think of a good animal insult for this
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: um bush. Okay, let's go to Oa and for the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: report Place PETA, otherwise known as People for the Ethical
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Treatment of Animals is back and more woke than ever.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: The organization posted a thread of tweets explain what they
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: call speciism, which, according to them, is when humans use
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: animals as an insult, for example, calling someone a chicken
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: when they're scared or a rat when they snitch. Peter
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: says that these are anti animal slurs that perpetuate oppression,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: and that we must reject the supremacist language and offer
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: what they call inclusive words like coward or snitch very unifying.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Peter says that by using animal speech, she says adjectives
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: were degrading animals and reinforcing the idea that humans are
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: superior to other animals and therefore justified in violating them.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: What Dodo bird at Peter came up with this idea? Okay,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: how dare you say calling someone an animal is an insult? Okay,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: you said you said calling someone an animal is an
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: insult that reinforces the myth that humans are superior to
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: other animals and justified in violating them. First of all,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: you are discrediting all the times we use animals as
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: terms of endearment, If I say that's my dog, Okay,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: that's my dog, that's love. If I say, man, he's
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: one cool chat, that's love. If I say, and that's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: on Mary had a little lamb, I am put in
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: respect on Lamb CHOP's name. So Peter, don't act like
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: we don't use animals as terms of endearment. But the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: reason you folks at Peter are really getting donkey of
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the day is for one simple reason. Y'all worried about
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: the myth that humans are superior to animals. I don't
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: believe we are superior to animals. I believe we are
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: one with animals. I believe in unity consciousness. And when
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: it's true unity, you don't tell me what my name is.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: I repeat, when it's true unity, you don't tell me
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: what my name is. Peter, you upset at us for
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: calling someone an animal is an insult. The real insult
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: is you didn't even let those animals name themselves. Who
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: named the pig a pig? NVD? You know, Angelie? Do
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: you know? I don't know? Who named the chicken a chicken?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Who named the snake of snake? Who named the slot
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: for slot? Who amongst us has ever had a conversation
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: with any of those animals, and they introduced themselves as
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: any of the aforementioned names. Names. Okay, I have watched
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Roots enough times to know that when the colonizer wants
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: your name to be something, he doesn't care what your
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: name actually is. God, Okay, if the Creator put those here,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: and according to the Bible, Adam gave the creatures their names.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Looking up, pull out your Lebron James version of the Bible,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: it says Adam named the animals. Now, when you do
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: some more digging, and I'm sure it's folks out there
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: who really do this for a living and have way
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: more information than me, But when you do some real digging,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: you realize that a lot of times folks were just
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: winging it. Penguins nobody knows how they got their name,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: but once upon a time they were called ours feet,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: hippopotamuses okay, means river horse in Greek. Raccoons used to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: be called washbears. My point is that damn colonizer wants
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: to call animals whatever they choose, but wants us to
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: respect the fact that we shouldn't call each other something
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: they made up, when the reality is all those animals
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: were named those things without their consent. Oh, Peter, you're
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: playing a dangerous game. Who amongst you has had a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: conversation with a giraffe to know that that is indeed
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: what they want to be called. At least Toys or
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Us actually called their giraffe Jeffrey. They gave that creature,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: that animal a real name, Peter, you said it yourself.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Words can create a more inclusive world. Our perpetuate oppression.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: By not allowing animals to name themselves, we as humans
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: are oppressing them. What if sasquash Bigfoot? What if his
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: name really was Harry and then Henderson's were correct? What
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: if that mouse name really is Many? And the only
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: reason Disney got it right is because they spoke to
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: her and asked her what her name was and didn't
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: just tell her what she was. Now, when Ingrid new
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: work was here, she broke down specism. Let's listen. What
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: is specism? Because I read something about that and I
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: was like it was a language, right, like don't say
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: things like dog on or no almost. But it's just
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: against supremacism and speciesism says, don't think you're a god
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: just because you belong to one species, just because you're
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: in control, doesn't mean that you shouldn't be decent to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: the other species. So it took human supremacism, discrimination prejudice
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: against others because they're not exactly like you. Ingrid, You're
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: right for the most part, okay. Depending where we are,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: humans are in control. You're in that water, no sharks, whales,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: they have control. Okay, But it's nothing decent about labeling
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: someone are some animal something they never told you they were,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: until Ingrid are someone at Peter sits down and has
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: a conversation. When one of these animals, and one of
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: these animals tells us, yes I am indeed a kangaroo,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: or yes I am indeed a lama, then Peter will
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: have to continue to hear these animal insults. And I
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: am about to play a sound from one of the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: animals used to insult people for the past ten years
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: on this radio by simply saying, dramas, please give Peter
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: the biggest he haul. All right, Charlot Mane, thank you
• 1:04:55
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• 1:04:57
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  Speaker 1: why did it take you so long to write this book?
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  Speaker 1: It feels like this book should have been in people's
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  Speaker 1: hands a long time ago. I think because ultimately, it
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  Speaker 1: took a while to understand how to communicate my methodology,
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted it to go beyond the artist that
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  Speaker 1: I've built. You know, you build superstars, you build big stars,
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  Speaker 1: and you hope that their narrative matches your narrative, and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes when it doesn't, then you feel frustrated, and then
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  Speaker 1: you want to be able to communicate all of you,
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  Speaker 1: not just some of you, through the art that you make.
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  Speaker 1: So this book is the beginning of me touching every
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  Speaker 1: single dreamwarrior, every single visionary, every entrepreneur, every person who
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want to have to feel like they have to
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  Speaker 1: be like someone else in order to succeed. The understanding
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  Speaker 1: of your passion, driving your choices, having your dream, and
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  Speaker 1: it's supported by situations that I have been through where
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  Speaker 1: I have received the revelation in order to help you
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  Speaker 1: understand that these eight steps are something that you can
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  Speaker 1: go back to in your fight, you know, against situations
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  Speaker 1: that are oppressive or less than perfect for your well being.
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  Speaker 1: So it's really awesome. It took a while to become
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  Speaker 1: all that I needed to be. Yeah, there were so
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  Speaker 1: many things about you that I did not know. And
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  Speaker 1: you do start up the book just basically talking about
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  Speaker 1: your childhood, and you had one teacher who made you
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  Speaker 1: feel well, wanted to make you feel like you could
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  Speaker 1: never be a ballerina, and thank god you didn't listen
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  Speaker 1: to that. And you stress the importance of early education
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  Speaker 1: and how teachers really do make such a big difference
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  Speaker 1: in your lives, as well as your parents just supporting
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  Speaker 1: your dreams. Can you talk about that? Yeah, I really
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  Speaker 1: believe that seeds that are planted early. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: had a natural ability to fight off something that didn't
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  Speaker 1: align itself with my truth and my dream at a
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  Speaker 1: very young age, I was born to dance. I tell
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  Speaker 1: people I had a passion for dance that was not normal.
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  Speaker 1: And because of this passion, because of this love, when
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  Speaker 1: I met mister Christopher who said my feet were too
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  Speaker 1: flat and my back wasn't arched because I was black,
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  Speaker 1: and he said that I would never be a ballerina,
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  Speaker 1: there was something inside of me that was warring against
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  Speaker 1: that seed taking route inside of me. So I use
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  Speaker 1: that so that these kids can really understand when they
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  Speaker 1: dare to dream and they come up against something somebody
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  Speaker 1: that hasn't experienced their gift, or you may be the
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  Speaker 1: person to change the narratives to be the new version.
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  Speaker 1: You know, everyone's meant for a certain time. So when
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  Speaker 1: you carry an original gift, you have to understand how
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  Speaker 1: to really repel a seed that could build insecurity versus
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  Speaker 1: empower your individualism or your uniqueness. That sounds like no.
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  Speaker 1: I was just like mister Christopher white Man, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, because in my head and
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  Speaker 1: in my heart, I'm not only a ballerina, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: every type of dance and I see myself staring and leaping,
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  Speaker 1: and so I held onto that. And then when I
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: thought Alvin Eley twelve years old at the o'keef Center,
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  Speaker 1: I was able to visually connect the feeling of my
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  Speaker 1: dream just seeing those powerful black ballerina store on stage.
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  Speaker 1: I want to unpack that a little more because the
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  Speaker 1: subtitle is eight steps to Unleash your passion and live
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  Speaker 1: your dream. Right, how does one really live their dream?
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  Speaker 1: Because sometimes folks will see you, or they'll see a
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: diddy or anybody who's successful and they say that's my dream,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. I want to do
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing. But that's not really their dream is
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: they just see it working for someone else. So how
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  Speaker 1: do you help someone really live their dream and find
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  Speaker 1: their dream of Well that's why it's eight steps. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: like choreography, eight counts, but it's eight steps. So once
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  Speaker 1: you dare to dream and you define and you define
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  Speaker 1: your passion, you know it can never be compared to
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  Speaker 1: I talk about staying in your yes by step four
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  Speaker 1: because the comparing is what is causing the confusion. Once
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  Speaker 1: everyone has their own dreams, their own DNA, their own passion,
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  Speaker 1: we're all uniquely built. And that's part of why we
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: have to change the narrative, especially in the music industy history,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: especially in the culture. They're always trying to remake something
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: that's already out. And so yes, you can use what
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  Speaker 1: I've done as inspiration, but that's why you got to
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  Speaker 1: dance your own dance. No two people are going to
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  Speaker 1: take the same role. Those are just the facts. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, the HL help you identify your passion, identify
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  Speaker 1: your uniqueness, and then I help you understand it and
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  Speaker 1: secure the confidence to stay in it. Be inspired by others,
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  Speaker 1: but define yourself by yourself. You don't think people. As
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: a choreographer, you know, sometimes you have to teach people
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  Speaker 1: how to dance. Can you teach anybody how to dance?
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  Speaker 1: And who probably was the toughest person to teach how
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  Speaker 1: to move in dance? I absolutely think everybody in dance
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  Speaker 1: everybody it's a dance is pedestrian. Dance is just your
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: own understanding, your own body, your own rhythm, how your
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: spirit moves, understanding how to be fearless with the physicality
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  Speaker 1: of your body. Yet I can teach anyone to dance.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody was a challenge, Pop Daddy, Lady Gaga, Nicki Minaje,
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  Speaker 1: Katy Barry, everybody has their own challenges. But just like that,
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  Speaker 1: everyone has their own unique dance. But I don't really
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: see the challenges. I see what's not there. I see
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  Speaker 1: what you can do that no one can do, and
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  Speaker 1: then I dig into that and I understand your rhythm.
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  Speaker 1: I listen to the record, I understand where you breathe,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: how you take that breath, when you should move. And
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: that's why I've probably built some of the biggest superstars
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  Speaker 1: in the world. Because I built them based off of
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: their own magic. So yeah, I can teach anybody dance.
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  Speaker 1: Last time you promised you're gonna teach me and Charlemagne
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: and routine. We don't forget about that. This is our
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: ten years ursery. So I want next time you can
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  Speaker 1: we see you. Yes, I'm too old, Laura. My knees
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  Speaker 1: ain't what they were, you know six seven years ago.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Well you ain't gonna bust it. You ain't gonna drop
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  Speaker 1: on your knees. Bro. First of all, I want to
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: talk to you about that little old obsession you've been
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: having lately. I need you to change that narrative time lift.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: You keep speaking this and I'm just not accepting it
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: because you look great. I look amazing. I'm just getting
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: ready to rumble. I just want you to lose that narrative. Listen,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: I can put some ice on the knees. Like there's
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: there's a million different choices to make. The problem is,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: but we don't understand our season, and we're making choices
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: like we're not in this very very good season where
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: we don't have to touch our toes and get down
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: as low as we used to. I like being an
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: og though, I'm embracing it. I'm forty two. I actually
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: love it. I think people have this negative connotation on
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: the world old. I love it. No, I didn't say
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: it's listen well, okay, tomato tomato, right. I OG is
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: about wisdom and that's just lacking. So I do agree
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  Speaker 1: with you. You know, like you know, you can have
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: all the talent in the world, all of what's going
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: on and got you, but you don't have the wisdom
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: to make me feel nothing. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: You can digitally download a record, you could do it all,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: but you can't create an experience. Well, we open back up.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: If you are not understanding that people will pay a good,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: good price to go to a good, good show, and
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: you haven't taken the time to dance your dance, get
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: artists developed, understand your why really be connected to creating
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: an experience, then you're over right. So wisdom teaches you
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: the how and brings in your why. So yeah, I
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: will never apologize for being this right this, you know
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Right now, I'm with you. But when
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: you tell me your knees are hurting me and your
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: own I can't really relate. We have more with Laurie
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  Speaker 1: Anne Gibson, you know Ranne Gibson, choreographer and more. Dance
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  Speaker 1: Your Dance is a new book. Will kick it with
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: hus someone when we come back as the Breakfast Club
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: goal Morning Wanting everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee Charlomagne,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: the guy we are to Breakfast Club was still kicking
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: with Laurie Anne Gibson. Charlomagne, Laurian, You're a person that
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: found a purpose at an early age. It seems like
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  Speaker 1: you knew who you were or wanted to be in
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: an early age. Do you think people who never knew
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: who they were, people who aren't securing themselves, do you
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: think they can ever get to the point, especially in
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: this era, where they can really be their authentic original
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: seals one hundred percent. I have to believe, and that's
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  Speaker 1: why I wrote the book, because everyone has the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to arrive at their best life Step eight and live
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  Speaker 1: their dreams. Yes, one hundred It is never over. It
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: is never too late. You're designed to arrive at that
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  Speaker 1: place where you have a fulfilled life. I think that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the times it's about understanding people around you,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: and I talk about in step three, you know, building
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  Speaker 1: your team. Unfortunately, sometimes a lot of young kids get
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: like like told that they can't that what's unique about
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  Speaker 1: them is not valid. You know, my father, I had
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: a box in the basement that I would dance in
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: and out of. And it was in his man cave.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: You know. He had like his records and his JBL
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: speakers and my father's Jamaican so you already know how
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: his music and his actor work sessions meant to him.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: And there was a huge box in the corner and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: I was always like dancing in and out of it.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: And one day my father was like, let listen, man,
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  Speaker 1: you haven't dash out that box. Like this box can't
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: stay in a my kids, you know. So my mother
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: was like, no, they shouldn't leave to pick me. Leave
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: her with their box. So apparently one day my father
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: asked me because my older sister told me recently, Luri Anne,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing in that box? And I said, Daddy,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: I'm bursting myself into the world. And it was later
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: that I understood when Gaga was in Europe and I
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: was in LA and she played me Born Born this Way,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: and I was like, as soon as I heard the record,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I had a certain creative process, and I
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: was like, I got it. We're gonna birth a race.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: We're gonna birth a race. Was in a race that
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: cannot hate. And I was obsessed with prosthetics, and I said,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: and we will use prosthetics to identify this race. And
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: then it went on and it grew. And that's why
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: I put her in the egg and that big Grammy performance.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: She was incubating, she was changing her DNA. You know,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: we didn't want to break the fourth wall, but I'm
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: saying all that to say that little girl dancing in
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  Speaker 1: and out of that box, that was the beginning of
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: me understanding that I was a creative visionary. And if
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: my parents had shut that down, I would have felt
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: not as competent about having that childlike imagination and understanding
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: how to tap into it. And today it's about an Instagram,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: it's about a Google. It's hard for young kids to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: work their imagination, work that part of the creativity, and
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: adults and an entrepreneur, it takes that imagination to create
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: a new perspective. So really super passionate about not oppressing
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  Speaker 1: that which could be potentially something new that the world
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: means yes, and it cloud your discernment too. You also
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: say there's no me too movement back then when you
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: were getting started, and you referenced that there were people
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: who definitely and fortunately for you, you trusted your instincts. Right.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: You even describe auditioning for Bobby Brown and you didn't
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: like the way he was even looking at you, and
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: that would have been a great gig, but you turned
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: it down. So how prevalent was that, because we see
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: right now there is a me too movement people are
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: getting closed out for things that they've done and they're
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: a bad behavior. But how many times, like percentage wise,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: were those things happening to you where you felt like, Okay,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: this is a really bad situation. And was it ever
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: escalated more than just somebody leering at you? Was it
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: ever something that felt dangerous? You know what I mean?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: The climate, the culture, it was very bad. I just
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: obviously I one, I have like bigs and a big
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: butt back then, so I wasn't really you know, it
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: was it was kind of like I was the awkward
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: bird out. But when I was put in those situations,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: it was incredibly pressuring. And it was all in the culture.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: You know, backup dancers were supposed to be back up, whatever, backup,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: bad bunny, pretend girlfriend, backup, snuggle bunnies on the tour bus, whatever.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Instentially like, no, I'm just not understanding my spirit, my passion.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: The dancer. I was like, I thought that was enough.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: You know, it was a constant bite. But again, um
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: and there. You know, there was no judgment to the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: ones that did. There was just for me a flag,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: an indicator that made me feel a certain way. And
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it affects the purity
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: in the gift. It affects the passion. When you're a
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: young girl with a dream, those proclivities attach themselves to
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: the way you perform, to the way that you blossom,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: to the way that you grow, to the way that
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: you become your dreams. So ultimately, the fact that I
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: thought it off and the fact that it wasn't the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: popular decision, and so I got less opportunity, less checks.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: I got called so many things. She's crazy, she's this,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: she's that. Not just because I didn't want to do
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: what you wanted me to do. I had to fight
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: through those narratives and overcome the insecurities that were trying
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: to take route. But because I did I'm able to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: have the revelation to inspire young girls. Now, if you
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: feel a certain way, if something goes off in you internally,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: that is an indicator to walk away. In chapter fourth,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Staying Yes, you tell the story of auditioning for the
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Fly Girls and j Loo getting the partner, and Keenan
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Wins admit a year later that he didn't find you
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: sexy enough. How did that make you feel? You know?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Not good? Not good. It's it's a fight that young
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: women's face every day. That's why there's such a need
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: to run to the plastic surgeon and all of these
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: elements to help recreate this image that is constantly being
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: catered to or lifted up. And I just took a
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: long time to understand the sexuality in my dance right
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: because I was a trained dancer. So it never came
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: from a place of seducing the mail or understanding what's
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: what's internally about a sexual experience rather than a dance
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: or something that intentionally wants to move a different part
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: of you rather than just arouse you. As a dancer,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: there are different elements to the way you moved, you know,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: And so I wasn't in touch with that particular element
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: at that time. So it was crushing because I was
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: definitely one of the best dancers amongst the crew, and
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: so for me, I couldn't understand why am I not
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: booking this job. I'm still in this but there was
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: something about the way I was dancing that wasn't as
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: sexually arousing as I needed to be for that particular
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: job at the time. I love that answer because you know,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: when someone says you aren't sexy enough, you you automatically
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: probably would assume it was physical, but you didn't feel
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: like it was physical. You felt like it was just
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: something you weren't doing esthetically as you were dancing. Yes,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: I wasn't in touch with that part of me. I
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: was dancing. I was like making sure my arms were right.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: You know, I was hitting the move, but I wasn't
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: necessarily allowing that, you know, in a venus room org,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: you know, the internal conversation, the intention to seduce was
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: not on me. I was. I didn't understand how to
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: work that conversation got right. So unfortunately, sometimes when you're young,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: if you are experienced or exposed to something that is
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: driven by that type of narrative, sometimes you arrive at
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: that conversation prematurely. I was okay when I was ready
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: to understand it, because then it gave me a better
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: sense of self respect. We got more with Lorie An
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: Gibson when we come back is the Breakfast Club, Good Morning,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. And at the World's Most Dangerous Morning
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Show Morning Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee. Charlomagne, the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: guy we are to Breakfast Club was still kicking it
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: with Lorie Anne Gibson. Charlomagne, Well, why do you think
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: the style of dancing that you know you do did
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: he used to do the choreography? Why do you think
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: that's not in hip hop? Like the way stuff Big
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Daddy Kane used to do kid and play? Why do
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: you feel like that's went away? Rappers don't do that anymore,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: I think because it defines mediocrity with greatness. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'll never forget bringing Big down from his cage on
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  Speaker 1: the Soul Train Awards and telling him he had to
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  Speaker 1: get down to the top of the stage by first
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  Speaker 1: things first, I pop a freak all the honey, he's funny.
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  Speaker 1: He played boy Bunnies, and I was like, Big, You've
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  Speaker 1: gotta get here by here because the girls gotta come
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  Speaker 1: around you and my lightning gotta hit you. And let
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  Speaker 1: me tell you something, Big rehearse back to downstage. He's
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  Speaker 1: on the Soul Train Awards, they all of them nas.
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  Speaker 1: When I brought him out with Lauren Hill, like a
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  Speaker 1: respect that Joe Big Pun Diddy Snoop, a respect for
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  Speaker 1: the stage. We call it the X, we call it
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  Speaker 1: the arena. We call it the shoulders of hip hop.
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  Speaker 1: Like you had to be prepared to deliver the lifestyle,
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  Speaker 1: the record, the experience. I think that that's work. These
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  Speaker 1: kids don't know how to work, and that's why it's
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  Speaker 1: over so quick. But we're coming back because you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many of them now, it's like water that
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  Speaker 1: you have to find the ones that understand how to
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  Speaker 1: do the work to deliver an experience. You know, when
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  Speaker 1: I first met young Sagan and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my time, just so genius. And we started working together
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning and I told him everything boom boo boom,
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  Speaker 1: and he put the working for his show and it
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  Speaker 1: popped off. But then it was too much discipline and
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  Speaker 1: they gotta they gotta find that narrative because we won't
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  Speaker 1: we won't find greatness. I think the baby for me,
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  Speaker 1: he got onto it. I hope he holds onto it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm smelling him a little bit. I love that he
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  Speaker 1: has a process that reflects a bad boy artist in nineties,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, his ability to entertain. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, you gotta live a different life. You gotta
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  Speaker 1: make different choices because you remember when Offset. Remember when
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Offset was on stage and he did the choreography with
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  Speaker 1: the dances and how dope that look, and everybody got excited,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember him saying, I'm gonna leaning the dancing
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  Speaker 1: boll when he did it and did that too, remember
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  Speaker 1: that exactly, and the reaction they got was great. But
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  Speaker 1: guess what they had to go to rehearsal. They had
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  Speaker 1: to remember it. Yeah, they had to put it in work,
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  Speaker 1: which they don't want to do. I mean, I remember
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  Speaker 1: one time Nikki was like, more, oh my god, you
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  Speaker 1: make me work so hard. I was like, yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: that's why you were and are and did what you
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  Speaker 1: did way and you impacted that much. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that that's a real conversation. They just don't want to
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  Speaker 1: do the work, and what you put in is what
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  Speaker 1: you get out, and don't tell me you're the best.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't want to spend time in the gym
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  Speaker 1: before you get in the ring, the two just don't
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  Speaker 1: go together, you know what I'm saying. And they don't
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  Speaker 1: spend as much money on videos either. People just shoot
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  Speaker 1: videos and throw them out. Yeah, it's definitely all about
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: the numbers. But again, if you are designed to impact,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: then you have to take a different narrative. You have
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  Speaker 1: to understand that the music industry was built on artist
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  Speaker 1: development and so therefore you can't reach those heights without
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  Speaker 1: the knowledge of that. And yes, the music industry has changed,
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  Speaker 1: but there's still people like myself and companies like myself
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  Speaker 1: that believe in developing an artist so they can sustain
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  Speaker 1: their dreams and have multiple albums and have a healthy career.
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  Speaker 1: I think that this generation really has to understand that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they're not putting money into the black artists,
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  Speaker 1: and they never did. But we fought for our integrity.
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  Speaker 1: We dominated what we needed to have people enjoy our
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  Speaker 1: shows and our experience. Now they're fooling you. They're giving
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  Speaker 1: you two seconds and you're drinking that fool aid. But
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: what they're saying is there's no value in you as
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  Speaker 1: a black artist, because they're definitely still putting the development
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: money into the white artist, right, But you just want
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  Speaker 1: to go back and forth and bump into each other
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  Speaker 1: on stage instead of having a real process. It's so
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  Speaker 1: wild to me that that's the mindset when people like
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  Speaker 1: Andre Harrel did Jermaine Dupreolity, people have laid a blueprint
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  Speaker 1: to what it looked like to develop an artist, Like,
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  Speaker 1: why would people just let that blueprint go to the wayside?
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: Because you said it, and obviously, Andrea, you said it.
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  Speaker 1: You said, Andrea Haral you said didn't you said Jermaine Dupris,
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  Speaker 1: You didn't say Laura and Gibson, You didn't say the
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  Speaker 1: black creatives that are actually part of the artists development system.
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  Speaker 1: Andre was very in my career and allowing me an
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  Speaker 1: Uptown Record to understand my passion for artist development. Charlie
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: Atkins used to do what I did at Motown Records.
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Atkins curated the Temptations support Tops of Supremes. It
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: was from the studio to the studio. You know. For me,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: it's about the visual albums. It's about a whole different
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: narrative now that we're in the future. But Andre understood
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: the importance of giving the record, the lifestyle, the culture,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: the ability to create the platform that would be competitive. Yeah,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: you mentioned Big, and I'm always I'm always intrigued by
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: people who met somebody like Big because big things just
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: like a mythical figure to me, right, and he's like
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: talking about a Greek god or an Egyptian god or
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: something like like what kind of impact did he have
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: on you? He sometimes he always has still has an
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  Speaker 1: impact on me. But uh, he was Jamaican and his
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: impact was just that a phenomenal, incredible artist, lyricist, but
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: the heart of a champion and would and understood like
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: you understand your tribe. And he was someone that respected
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: the gift in me. I remember the night I sat
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: on his lap when he passed and he and he
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: still went back and reflected and he was like, oh
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: my god, did you see that Nas tried to copy
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: our performance? L And uh that night I didn't have
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: the heart to tell him my choreograph Nas and Lauren Hill.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not that it was the same, but I
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  Speaker 1: was the beginning of my brand as big, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But the fact that he performance it still lived with
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  Speaker 1: him weeks later is who he is. You know, he
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: was full of greatness. His work out that he was
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: a master, and he understood opportunity and he understood how
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  Speaker 1: to elevate based on that opportunity. One more thing, you know, Laurie,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: and you talk about the pain of letting go is
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: a good pain. Find comfort in knowing that the pain
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  Speaker 1: of shedding what doesn't serve your dream is a part
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  Speaker 1: of the process of becoming the true You explain how
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  Speaker 1: the process was for you becoming the true you well,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: through the disappointment, through the pain, you know, there are
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  Speaker 1: so many opportunities. I think that people had to speak
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: into what I did, had the opportunity to help with
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: the idea, to recognize my contributions and things like that,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: and when that didn't happen, you know that it did
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: would create a pain of appointment. And so through that
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: pain you have to persevere and there's purpose in the pain.
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  Speaker 1: So what it does is it burns up what doesn't
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  Speaker 1: serve you. Meaning as you continue to press, then the
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  Speaker 1: pain produces what you need to carry the dream, to
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  Speaker 1: carry the capacity Charlomane, to stand alone against what the
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  Speaker 1: world says is successful and continue to inspire to stand
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  Speaker 1: alone as a female against certain situations where men are
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: still oppressive and in denial about the power of your gifts.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: It creates the capacity to continue to press. It allows
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  Speaker 1: me to not be afraid to be singular with my message,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: it with my call, and with the ability to understand
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: my greatness and to not be intimidated in any room.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: So you must persevere through the pain, because what you
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: don't need falls off and what you need rises out.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Go get that book, Dance Your Dance. Eight Steps to
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  Speaker 1: Unleash your passion and Live your dream by the beautiful
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  Speaker 1: Laurian Gibson. Always a pleasure to see you, talk to you. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the book was very inspiring, So thank you so much,
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  Speaker 1: Laurian Gibson. Always a pleasure time you're in town. You
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  Speaker 1: owd me and Charlomagne and some dance lessons. It's listen,
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  Speaker 1: it's just free. It's free because I love you guys,
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  Speaker 1: your family. But listen, I can't afford you no way.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Okay. I think it's something like the Breakfast Club, Bob,
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  Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Yeah, we needed to help, Bob. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. You the creative, that's your lane,
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  Speaker 1: follow your lead, got it? Got it. Okay, well done.
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  Speaker 1: I'll see you guys in rehearsal. It's the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, Peace morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee.
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  Speaker 1: Charlomagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. That's Black
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: History Month. Charlomagne, who we repping today? Yes, today is
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  Speaker 1: President Day and we will acknowledge the only black president
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: we have ever had, President Barack Husain Obama. People love
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: President Obama. He has been celebrated for years. But you
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  Speaker 1: know this generation called celebrating someone d riding. So let's
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  Speaker 1: keep the d riding going this morning by flashing back
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: to what I am in thugnificent from the Boomdocks d
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  Speaker 1: riding Obama. The Breakfast Club presents a new Black History Month.
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  Speaker 1: Legend got up this morning, days for working right. I
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  Speaker 1: said I wanna make a change. I said I wanna fight.
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  Speaker 1: Obama balled up and said this we can. I said,
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  Speaker 1: I wanna ride just because I think you're the man.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's riding Wama Obama, Obama riding Obama Obama. He's
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  Speaker 1: riding riding fall Tomorrow role it's pride and fall today,
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  Speaker 1: it's pride and fall to grated riding for the game.
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  Speaker 1: In riding for America, it's riding for rocking. It's okay
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  Speaker 1: to ride. It's as long as it's rocks. And now
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  Speaker 1: with riding, and that was another New Black History Month
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  Speaker 1: legend courtesy of the Breakfast Club. Nothing like d riding,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, celebrating the first black president, right, Breakfast Club,
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  Speaker 1: y'all finish for y'all dumb