Latest / The On Purpose Podcast / Ep. 353 - Jamie Martin: Copper Kings 100 Winner
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- speaker-0: You are listening to the On Purpose podcast. When you're training with purpose, your fueling can't be an afterthought. That's why I use NeverSecond, the simplest, most reliable system I have found for staying energized, hydrated, and steady through their long efforts. Their C-Series carbs take the guesswork out of performance. No stomach drama, no complicated mixing, just clean, consistent fuel that actually works when the miles get long. If you want to train with more intention and recover without feeling wrecked, check out Never Second. Click the link in the show notes to get dialed in. What's up everybody? Welcome to this week's edition of the On Purpose Podcast, where you know it's our mission to get you moving, get you thinking, get you saying, man, am I getting the most out of my day today? And part of that is by challenging ourselves and not just falling into patterns that maybe others expect of us or... Society expects of us but challenging those things challenges the norms challenging our own limiting beliefs and behaviors and Pushing ourselves and this week. I'm super pumped to talk with Jamie Martin a Montana born ultra runner Full-time nurse practitioner. I would have read off actually what her fields are but I probably wouldn't pronounce the right a wife a mom who somehow manages to weave big goals into a very full life She was the first, which can never be beat, remember that, she'll always be the first women's first place finisher at the Copper Kings 100 last year, which she doesn't even know. I actually watched her finish with my mom and my sister, which is not only impressive, right, 100 miles and winning it, but she was just 10 months postpartum, breastfeeding, nursing her baby girl who was her crew chief. And she didn't show up. And this is one of my favorite parts of getting ready for this is she didn't show up to win. She showed up just grateful that that was still an option in her life at that point to be in the mountains with her family, cheering her on and pushing herself. So I can't wait to get into this conversation with our newest friend, Jamie Martin. Welcome to the show, my friend. Thank you. speaker-1: I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me. speaker-0: Yeah, so I didn't even tell you that, but I actually watched you finish last. speaker-1: I think I'm most impressed that I finished around like 3 a.m. So kudos to you and your mom for being out there. speaker-0: Yeah, was ⁓ so interestingly it was my mom's 70th birthday So my sister came in from Boise and I came up I don't even know where I was at that point, but we came up and we were celebrating her birthday that weekend and Copper Kings just happened to be going on so we went up and we watched I think it was like 10 o'clock at night the first male finishers came through So we saw them and then we saw you and then we came back about 10 o'clock in the morning to watch like a big wave of right around the 30 hours come. speaker-1: That's awesome. Well, thank you for being there. speaker-0: Thank you for running so fast. When you think back on that and you're like, okay, I'm the first one in this race. I won the very first one. Nobody will ever be the first winner again. What does that mean to you? Do you ever ponder that? speaker-1: I mean, it's just really cool. Like you said, I'm on TunaNative, spent time in Butte. I actually met my other, my husband now, about way we met in Butte. So, it's just a special place. So it's really cool. speaker-0: All right, well, I'm not even gonna pretend that I could keep up with you on the trail, Jamie. Not even gonna pretend that. But I am gonna treat you properly like an athlete. Like we can't just get out there and start sprinting right away. We gotta warm up a little bit. So same thing for the podcast. So got some warm up questions for you, Jamie, just to get you going. Are you ready for these? speaker-1: This is perhaps the most nervous part of this whole thing. speaker-0: I'm ready! All right, here we go. If your life has a theme song, what would it be? speaker-1: Oh gosh. You know, I've listened to some of your other podcasts. So I've heard the warm up questions. I'm not a huge music listener, I have to be honest. I like music, but I'm just not that into music. I've been really into Ella Langley lately. think she's awesome. She has a new song that came out called Game of Lines. I believe it's the name. It's like for a little more wild, just taking life as a cup. I think that's a little bit of a theory I follow. speaker-0: Yeah, that's a good one. right. What about a you'd realize I switch these up all the time. So I appreciate you listening. I actually I did use them all the same for like a year and I was like, man, I personally need to hear some new questions. but I love them because it just helps me like one, like I can learn books from them or music or just understand people's thoughts a little bit. So what is your favorite? speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: quote or mantra that you use to get you to push through tough times. speaker-1: ⁓ Well, in the theory of talking about running, I think when it comes to running long distances, something I often tell myself is forward progress is progress. So whether you're running, walking, hiking, crawling, moving forward is moving forward. speaker-0: Yeah, I love it. All here's an old classical warm up question. If you had a superpower, what would it be and why? speaker-1: Ooh, that's a good question. I think in theory, would say like, knowing what other people are thinking, but that can be really dangerous. Maybe that's not necessarily the superpower of life. I think being able to fly would be pretty cool. speaker-0: Okay? Where would you want to fly to? I think- speaker-1: That would be the beauty, can go anywhere. speaker-0: That's true. You just fly all day. But you might not get much done. You just be out flying around. speaker-1: Yeah, think, you know, clearly we're outdoorsy people. We do this thing where we love being in the mountains. So another asset to this wilderness would be amazing. speaker-0: What about a favorite book? speaker-1: I would probably have to say like a Kristen Hannon book. ⁓ The Women as a nurse. I love that book. The Nightingale is a classic. speaker-0: All right, and if you had to describe the season of your life and you're in today with one word, what would your word be? ⁓ that sounds how would you die to? speaker-1: A-A-A-A-S. I shall be too in July. speaker-0: Yeah, chaos is a good word. You're always picking up toys. speaker-1: The clean house is no longer. speaker-0: ⁓ you're in the midst of it, my friend. speaker-1: Beautiful chaos. speaker-0: And Jamie I'm gonna tell you I know you're probably like, okay quit I don't need to hear that ever again But I'm gonna tell you there's a truth it goes fast speaker-1: Yeah, two years has flown by. speaker-0: I have three kids and like, I don't know that I'd go back to them being two, two was pretty cool. But if I could pick a window, I'd go back from like eight to 12 was just like magnificent because they were still your friends. They were independent. They could wipe their own butts. Like all the important things were handled and they just had like little buddies that could go everywhere with you. speaker-1: I think my husband is very excited for that stage. You know, the playing sports, all of that good stuff. speaker-0: Yeah, no, I love it. Are you warmed up Jamie? feel like we're warmed up speaker-1: warmed up. speaker-0: I love it. All right. Talk to me about that. Let's just start with the race. So let's start with the very first copper king. When did you decide to enter it and what like were your goals for yourself having just had your daughter? speaker-1: Yeah, I think that actually probably goes back a few years. So, I mean, can't talk about copper things without mentioning Westlake. Amazing guy. I met Westlake, gosh, probably like three or four years ago, volunteering at a different place. And we worked at the same aid station. The aid was at like, most of it at Wee. So we spent a lot of time, lot of night hours. I think we are eight to 24 hours. So you get to know your age pretty well. So Wes is just great. I mean, his personality is vivacious, right? Like you can't be, you just want to be drawn to have a conversation with him. So we had gotten her heard rumor that he was going to start a hundred mile race. My husband and I actually both did not grow up. So I was like, gosh, there's another hundred in Montana, like, we gotta do it. And then we signed up with another race director. So it was kind of in the back of my mind, the year before, so West did like a fat ass version. And I believe he reached out to us on social media saying like, you know, if you guys want to join, great. ⁓ It didn't work out for our timing, so we didn't end up going. But then we saw this. posted and it was kind of like this competition. My husband and I have been so worried people will say, now we have a baby, we probably carry this $800. It's like, who's going to get to do property? I was actually postpartum, so I As Grace said, you get first dibs. So I the race went live in December. speaker-0: ⁓ Yeah, that's a smart move. speaker-1: We had sign up, so, gosh, our kiddo was like four months old. was like, we're going for it. speaker-0: Well, let me ask. So I know a lot of times people will battle with like a little bit of guilt after they have a baby if they're not like fully there all the time. Did that ever come up to you like being feeling guilty that you're off training instead of being at home and how'd you deal with that? speaker-1: Definitely. ⁓ I think part of, I'm really lucky I work a four day work week. So kiddo goes to daycare four days and I have for one day, so we get a whole day that's just for nighttime. And then obviously weekends. I think truthfully there was a lot of really early mornings. So Saturday runs, 4 a.m. to try to be back before breakfast or nap time. ⁓ I think I've always been a little bit able to compartmentalize that in order for me to show up in my best version. I also have to do things in full, in full my cup and definitely running and training is that for me. So I think just recognizing I'm going to be a better mom, I'm going to be a better person. I can show up in a better way if I prioritize myself as well. speaker-0: Yeah, that's super important for sure. And I think a lot of times it's easier said than done, right? Because by the time you get to your time, it's easy to put it last. So you're exhausted. It's easy to just say, I'm going to go to bed early. I'm going to just sit for a minute. So did you create a specific structure to make sure you were getting that time for you? Or how did you work that? speaker-1: Yeah, I think like I mentioned before, my husband is also an ultra runner. So he can appreciate the training schedule and what that's like and ensure that he's supportive. And so we would kind of rotate long. He would have kiddo Saturday morning and then he would go out for a long run Sunday and then have a work in the morning. So I think having a supportive account was extremely helpful. speaker-0: Now that's good, especially if you want to understand the rhythms of what you got to go through to prepare. speaker-1: Yeah, and being able to, ⁓ I I think so, copper Kings was in June and he did a hundred end of August. So we were able to kind of like split up our training. So when I was training, he was just getting ramped up. then after copper Kings kind of got to prioritize those long weekend days and be able to make sure he got back to training too. speaker-0: Yeah, did you, did you have any, did you notice any differences in like, I don't want to say that, like how you trained and the appreciation you had training when before your daughter verse after you had her, was there like a different, like I would say gratitude, because I think we use that a lot, but just an appreciation for the ability you had. speaker-1: I think being able to be outside, I just was so much more present and appreciative of that time. I think when we're not on time, we're straight. You know, maybe we're less on time, the time we're getting outside. And so having limited time, I felt so present when I was out there. And same with the race dates, I just felt so grateful to get to be out there with my body. My kiddo was taking care of me focused on me for 24 hours. speaker-0: What was your initial goal when you stepped to the starting line for that race? speaker-1: signed up for the race, just not really knowing what the postpartum journey would look like. My goal was definitely just to get to the finish line. And truly that's my goal at my race. I had previously written, or not written, run a 23 and a half hour hundred right before I got pregnant. And so I think once training, I was feeling well, part of was thinking, okay, I would like to go on our 24th or around 24th. It felt comfortable. ⁓ But that was kind of like best day. speaker-0: Yeah. So would you say like, the race go like as good as you thought it would go or better? speaker-1: way better. I think some days were out there and everything's sick and you have a great day and that was definitely Copper Kings for me. speaker-0: What was your favorite part of, or was there a moment that stands out to you when you think back? Like, this was the moment that I remember like, man, I'm able to do all this. speaker-1: Yeah, like I said, think I was grateful the entire, basically. I actually more so struggled in the first half of the race. was fatigued and run down and it was like I had my legs. And then when I got up to our waiting room, I smacked your ice crispy treat. I just felt like a million bucks. Like that was my moment. I met this really cool guy at who was from Canada and he goes like. personality. We left the aid station together and just were having fun, great conversation. And that was the moment that you're just going to cruise best of it. We got this. speaker-0: Yeah. that Jamie, you hit on something there. And I think one is what attracted me to trail running to begin with. Well, two things. First, the fact that could exercise and snack at the same time is rewarded. then two, just the people you meet out there because you, you're going to be out there for a long time. So you, you get to talk to somebody without all the distractions of meeting in a town or a city. everybody's hustling with their next schedule. So I guess what does that mean to you? Like when you're out there and you're like, wait, this person's actually listening and engaging. What do you get from that? speaker-1: I mean, I think that's like the epitome of why we love Ulterain. You know, we can go out and run, you know, see people on trials, but really being in that environment and not only thriving with others, also struggling with others, right? So yeah, I ran with quite a few people during that race, probably more so than I have any other race. I ran like the first few trials with a gentleman that I actually We work in the same hospital. ⁓ So that was kind of crazy. And then the second half of the race, I was feeling really good. so I actually came across a lot of people who were struggling ⁓ and, know, we'll get around them for one or two miles and just kind of commiserate a little bit, you know, like everyone's struggling at Latter Park. ⁓ But it's also motivating because you know, through hard times and also be able to motivate others. So I would say that's a part of any ultra. People you meet, the connections you meet. I've met, you know, people after the race and it's really is a special box. ⁓ I don't think you can experience it anywhere else. speaker-0: Yeah, you know, I will tell you the only place I've experienced it and I'm new to ultra running, like I don't profess to be good at it by any means, ⁓ is in the world of mixed martial arts, believe it or not, people that are actively like fighting and not, the competition piece is different because it is one on one and one of you is going to win and one of you is going to lose and there's no doubt about it. Whereas in trail running, like I don't, like I'm not competing with you, it's just me and the trail. and we just happen to share the time together. But I think what that commonality is is like, you're doing something really hard to find out something about yourself. So there's a respect, right? Like I don't look at you and see a negative lens or whatever's going on in the world today. I'm like, man, like she's pushing herself. That's automatic respect. She's here. And if I could take something from trail running and just apply it to the general populace, it would be just that, that when we cross paths with people, we wouldn't look for our differences. We wouldn't look for why I shouldn't like, and we wouldn't look for why I disagree. We look for, I respect this journey they're on because I'm on it too. speaker-1: Yeah, I had a lot of like gratitude the second half of the race. Like I said, I was specifically passing people and people were so positive. And I think that's the beauty of Ultra. And I've been on the other end of too, where someone comes up, you know, have 20 miles to go and cruises past you and you can't help but feel proud of that person or happy for that person. So yeah, it's not about the time, the place, it's like, you're just so happy that someone else is out there. speaker-0: Yeah, it's just such a beautiful thing, right? Like, your success doesn't take anything away from me. There's enough success for all of us. And yeah, that's so beautiful. It's so awesome that you're aware of that, right? And that you're not like looking at your watch to see if you're on time for pace and what are your splits? Like there's another human right here with you and maybe I can just give you a word of encouragement that let you finish, which was all their goal was to begin with. speaker-1: Definitely. speaker-0: So what have you ever had a time on the trail that stood out to you as being like. I'm gonna say life change, because I think that's too dramatic. But like, maybe you were in that dark place and you just, you were like, I'm just getting to the next day station and done. Like I can't do this anymore. I have all these doubts and somebody you didn't know comes by and says something to you or spend some time with you. Do you have a moment like that comes to mind on that? I don't know if I have any. speaker-1: those moments of like being like this really dark low truthfully and like someone else freaking me out of it. I will say that I've ran some races and we're having like this nice conversation with someone and then they disclose like something crazy. So like for example, I can think of I was running a 100k over in Idaho and I know this gentleman. speaker-0: Peace. speaker-1: We were having a nice chat and we were all together. I I mentioned I was a therapist or something and he asked what I worked in. said I worked in oncology. oh man, I'm like six months out of my chemo treatment for lymphoma. I was just like mind blown. Just sharing miles with this like super inspirational person that felt comfortable sharing that with me and it was his first race back. Just so cool to. speaker-0: I think... speaker-1: experience that with someone. So I think there's been a lot of moments where I've been really inspired with what people tell you on the trail and you're like, you know, I would have no idea where you're coming from or what you've gone through and now we're sharing this together. speaker-0: Yeah, it's just, it's amazing when we have time and space for other people, what we can actually learn about them, if we weren't in such a rush all the time. speaker-1: Yeah, and again, I feel that I can be grateful in that because I do get to know lot of people and I get to be present for a lot of people for hard times. So I think there comes a little bit of insight from my professional world, but I definitely think in the general population or when we're just out on the streets, we don't take time to appreciate where other people are coming from. speaker-0: Yeah, that's the truth. I want to ask you this because this is something I've struggled with and I would love to get your insights on this. How do you navigate the tension that exists between being ambitious, wanting to be driven, wanting to be the best of what I'm doing and still being present for where I am, not always looking for that improvement piece? speaker-1: think that's hard, truthfully. And B, we can say like we're there for people in action, interaction, and the kind of mountains and all of those can be very true. But there has to be a component of being competitive to complete something like this. You know, go out and run 100 miles. It's kind of you want to. You have to be driven. I think you have to a little bit competitive. Not necessarily with other people, but at least be competitive with yourself. I would say that truthfully, Copper Kings was like one of the greatest days. Like everything lined up for me. And in the weeks following the race, I was like, hmm, I could have done that better. I could have done this. Maybe I could have stayed off some time. So yeah, it's hard to always be wanting more and more and more. speaker-0: Yeah. What about in life outside of racing, right? Cause as a, as a fairly new parent, you get to be pulled in a lot of directions, like we were talking about earlier, still putting ourselves like making sure we take care of ourselves. How have you been navigating that tension there? And like, what do you, if somebody else, maybe a new mom or a new dad's listening to this and like, man, I haven't been putting myself forward or I used to do these things. I haven't now. What would you say to them that's worked for you that maybe they could try? speaker-1: I think trying to block out the outside judgments, truthfully, you know, like to me, what's best for my family, what's best for me, what's best for my spouse, that has to be enough. There's always gonna be other people. I certainly heard the whispers during my last pregnancy postpartum of like, you know, she's running too much. This is unhealthy. And I hear that. They can, I can agree with it, but I can also disagree with what's right for me and what's right for me. So I think anyone who's feeling like they aren't able to prioritize themselves or if the outside world is, you know, mitigating that, just try to block it out. I think if people are going to have a chance, okay, we can appreciate those. What feels best for us. speaker-0: Yeah, that's well said. You can appreciate it, but you don't have to give it weight. I appreciate you care enough about me to have your opinions about me, but it doesn't have to weigh on me like, in your case, like your husband's opinion does, right? Because that's super important, right? Like we're in this together. There was something you said there that was another question that I had and I just got to re-think it through. But I really liked that. Like appreciate it, but you don't have to give it a ton of weight. What about... the importance of having. people around you that you do value their opinions, right? And I guess that's what I'm going as like that circle, making sure we manage the circle of people whose opinions do carry weight to us. speaker-1: Definitely. think, you know, I'm working with someone who, I'm a pretty private person. It's crazy because I'm on a podcast right now. But typically pretty private, I think, in a small circle. ⁓ We have to still have a circle. Whether you're someone who arrives and you hire with a lot of friends or a lot of family, or you just have your very small circle, you know, it does take a village, as they say. So there's certainly people in my life that I 100 % value their opinion. know they're shoot it to me straight. And so we can go away and there are people that we've built that rapport with versus perhaps someone who is looking in and maybe doesn't know the story either. speaker-0: Yeah, that's so yeah, that's that's a thing right they making judgments if we don't know the whole story and not just of people doing it to us But are we doing it to others right? Like what is what are we doing? Like are we being who we're trying to attract in our world? Yeah, that's good. What, Jamie, wouldn't you think of your story so far, right? Is there part of it that that when you say like, man, that's that's hard to believe I actually accomplished this or it's hard to believe like this is actually my journey? speaker-1: Yeah, we kind of joke around that my husband and like to like do everything at once. Why not? So like, why manage it? Just bring it on. ⁓ So, when I actually got pregnant, I was in my last semester of my doctorate program from school. So, you know, I graduated with my doctorate degree in May, took my boards in June. I a baby in July, then coming back less than 10 months later, running 100 miles. I think I've just sometimes had to take step back and like, how did you do all those things? Like you started working a full-time job. I think in the moment you just roll with it, but there's definitely moments that I look back and like, what? How do you all have those things? speaker-0: Yeah, that's amazing. That's an amazing period of time for sure. And when, I don't even know what to say on that other than like, good for you, right? Like good for you for living it and not waiting for something to be perfect right there. I think that's one of the traps that's so easy to fall into is be like, ⁓ I want to do this or I want to do that, whatever it is. Like it doesn't have to be running, right? But gonna wait until six months for now or a year from now, because then I'll have more money in the bank or I'll have a new promotion or I'll have this or and then you next thing you know. at the end of your life and I, gosh, I never got to it. speaker-1: Yeah, I think there's always something that we can say like, I can't do this. We can, we just make time somehow and make it work. speaker-0: Yeah, absolutely. What about this, Jamie? This is something that I was super intrigued by because you your daughter crew chiefs even though she didn't know. speaker-1: ⁓ speaker-0: What do you hope she gets from seeing her mom do stuff like this? speaker-1: I mean, I think there's, always be like a little bit of like woman empowerment, right? Like we can do hard things, right? We do hard things too, but we gotta represent for the women. So, you know, I think just her always knowing like she can hard things and whether that's running or that's sports, whether that's a profession, like, we can do it all. We don't have to give up one thing to do another. My husband will often say like, You know, we have a certain amount of water for those buckets and we might have to take a little bit from one bucket to fill our other bucket. And that doesn't mean we have to get rid of the bucket. Right? Like we can still do all of these things we love and there's times in life where we're going to have to pour more into one thing than the other, but we still get to do them all. speaker-0: Yeah, no, and I as a father of two daughters, I'm 100 % with you like that was one of the things That my wife and I tried to instill in our girls was like you are capable of whatever it is you choose right and When I think of that in hearing your story now, it takes me to coca-dona from last week and watching Rachel enter again speaker-1: Big Cocodona fan. How can you not be? speaker-0: try to get a whole week of live streaming. It's like one of the best weeks. ⁓ speaker-1: great very little work done. ⁓ speaker-0: ⁓ No, they've done such a good job with that and like my wife is getting annoyed she's like do you still have it on like if you've done anything but live show like well I'm kind of working but I'm doing speaker-1: How long have they been running? Days. speaker-0: And the fact she went, I don't know if you've listened to many of her interviews since then, it was, ⁓ there was one, forget what podcast she was on, but she was talking about where her and a string bean were like the two leaders and he was starting to slow down and she was still going cause he felt good. But she started having these doubts of like, I making a mistake? Should I be doing what he's doing? He's the, you know, he's the high level pro that everybody thought was going to win it. Who am I to pass him? And I just love that, right? Because like she had an option to believe in herself or to kind of fall back to what everybody else was doing. And she went and now look like smashing a course record beat all the guys in the field. Like that's what you're doing, right? Like on a different scale, you're out doing things that your daughter's like, okay, my bar is way up here. Cause my mom, my dad showed me that's the bar. speaker-1: Yeah, mean, Rachel was, I was just crazy to watch. mean, according to Walter, has done the same in the past too, know, women winning up the race outright. yeah, it's such an inspiration. And I think it does take a lot of courage to take that step and say, like, I feel good. I'm going to go past the weak male. Like, doesn't, gender doesn't matter here. It depends on how I feel and I feel ready to rip. So I think it's really inspiring and something else she said was something to the fact of like, not me? So, you why does it have to be someone else? I feel good, ready for it. But yes, to a different level, obviously, there was definitely times when I probably didn't necessarily know I was really chosen to tell our lady which is around like, great, we can get shit. And then the agency up there like, yeah, there's women and I was like, oh, I don't know if I want to know that. But I got to like mile 35 and I was like, I think I went out too hard. Like this is going to end bad. And then it just, you know, the wheels didn't fall off. So I'm not saying like go out really hard and it's always going to look out. but I listened to an interview with Rachel at the race and you know, she kind of flipped that mindset of, instead of being like, when are the wheels going to fall off? You know, what if the wheels don't fall off? Maybe. maybe nothing bad does happen. Maybe I can just cruise up the page and it's okay. I think that applies to more than just money, right? Like that applies to life. Like put yourself out there. Go for the career, go for the promotion. Like maybe it doesn't work out, but maybe it does. speaker-0: Right now I'm so so 100 % with you, right? Like, ⁓ my god, what if this happens? What if that happens? Okay, what if they don't have what if you're wildly successful? What if you're actually the best that's you're literally stepping and being the best you've ever been what if that happens? Right, like why you know, I mean I and I I'm kind of with you in life. Like we do a lot of things like we'll jump when other people are like, I don't know, that doesn't seem like a good idea. We're like, I don't know, we're gonna find out, because we're already halfway there, because stuff usually works out. Right, doesn't mean you win all the time, but it's usually gonna work out, because if you're in the process, even if you come up short, you will have learned something about it. So apply the next time, or maybe like, oh, that really isn't for me, let me go over here and try this. And it's funny you mention that because I just recorded an episode of The Little Airwag right before yours. This time I'll be careful what we say to ourselves because it might come true. speaker-1: Yeah, I think positive thinking is a huge part of culture running. If you're going to doubt yourself, you're going to have issues. If you believe in yourself, then you got it. speaker-0: in that life Absolutely. Right. And maybe that's why we're attracted to altering it. Cause it's literally like life in a 24 hour format for a hundred miles. For you, not 24 hours for me, 24 hours for you. speaker-1: I appreciated that, you know, Rachel also did sugar coat in to say like 250 miles versus the whole time. Um, I think we can also be humbled to say, okay, maybe things are starting to fall apart. I know how to, I know how to handle this. So I am, I think a lot of it goes into preparation to say, well, I'm not saying this is going to happen, but if it does, what are we going to do about it? And how are we going fix it? And so, you know, having that self-awareness to speaker-0: Right. don't have a grander belief in yourself. Having a great idea of what you're capable of doesn't mean that you're not prepared for things to go wrong. Exactly. They're not mutually exclusive, right? Like I can believe in myself. I can know like, I'm going to go out and do this. But like I just told you off air today, I went out and ran a six mile run in this training, which should be super easy. It's a rest day. And was like literally the hardest run I've done in months. It just felt terrible. speaker-1: when things are. speaker-0: But to your point, you were like, well, that sounds like good training. I'm like, you're right. Because there's going to be at least a six mile stretch in June that probably feels terrible. speaker-1: I suspect there will be some light on. speaker-0: You're suspect. speaker-1: All of speaker-0: Yeah, that's so good. ⁓ Let me ask you this, Jamie. What has been the biggest thing you learned about yourself in the current chapter of life you're in? speaker-1: I would say like in part, like in general, we're capable of more than you think. Like we can juggle a lot. And, ⁓ I think I've tried to embrace that a little bit. Not necessarily saying no to things, we said, because it's not the right time. Like we will, we'll make the time for it. ⁓ so I would say that is part of it. I think something that's probably, you know, way from running is just. like being consistent in life, you know, that comes from being consistent with your training plan, you know, training and things like that, also just trying to be consistent throughout your life. So show up for people in the same way, go through kids in the same way, try to be present the same way. think just trying to be more consistent has been something that I've been trying this busy chapter of my life. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. That's such a good, good point. They're being consistent, how you show it for yourself or others, right? Cause like realistically, most people can't just show up and run a hundred miles. Like I definitely couldn't just do it, but it's possible if I do the training for the three months up to the hundred miles. speaker-1: I think that I tell a lot of people like, I don't actually think I'm that good of a runner. I'm not that fast of a runner. But I think they're very consistent. So, the Kings to me, the win for me when I ran the race, really consistent. I did have a lot of highs, even though I lot of lows. It was pretty good keel the whole time. And so, I think that just shows like being consistent in training, showing up yesterday, year after year. Like that pays off. speaker-0: I do. speaker-1: You don't have to go out and do a hard run every weekend where you're doing 50 miles and gassing yourself. But time over attention builds a base. speaker-0: Yeah, that's super important. What role is being from Montana played in kind of shaping who you are? speaker-1: ⁓ very proud to be from Montana. Yeah. ⁓ I've left a handful of friends. left for college for a few years. And then when my husband and I, for a few years and just can't stay away from Montana. But yeah, like I said, I, I grew up, think they were biking in Butte on like very similar trails that we run on for the Pipestone area. I, my husband and I actually went at Missoula, but we didn't know each other. And then we re-met at a called Unwit in Butte called Mullet Fest, which tells you all you need to know about Butte. You know, just has a special, it's a special place. And it was really cool to get to appreciate the terrain. I think a lot of people think of Butte like the mines and, you know, it's maybe not been most aesthetically pleasing from like the highway, but there's a lot of really cool. speaker-0: Yeah speaker-1: view and just getting to appreciate that culture. The West Plate was funny. I actually was running Super Finish Line last year, which I think you can right now, but you run down the main park, which happened to be like the car let out. So the West Plate was like, I'm talking to my husband, whose name is also Wes, which is why it's a little confusing, but he's like, you need to call Jamie. She's to be okay. think my husband's response was, she's a Montana girl. She'll be okay. Yeah. I'd kind of hang out with bar locals and my sister-in-law was with me at the time and there was people out with boom boxes. It was great. We didn't feel threatened at all. We were just enjoying the party. speaker-0: That's funny. Yeah, I saw he did change it So we avoid the bar district and then the farmers market if you're later on Saturday morning speaker-1: Yeah, which like I said, it was fine. were, I do really don't care about lots of them. I'm 98 to be honest. speaker-0: hahahaha That's why you're a Montana girl you can stop have a beer with speaker-1: I went to see someone, it was really early on in the race, like mile 20. And I can't remember where the gentleman was from, he had overheard that I was from Montana. Is there grizzly bears up here? Should I have bear spray? Do you have bear spray? This was really kind of endearing that I was like, I don't have bear spray. But like, again, being from Montana, we just feel like, speaker-0: Maybe we should. Yeah, that's funny. Jamie, what do you hope listeners take away from this conversation? there's something you could give them, what would you hope they take away? speaker-1: I think I've always, not always, but since proper kings, I really hope to inspire women. It's really hard being a woman and trying to balance a career, running a family, having crazy hobbies like altering. And so I hope this inspires people to, you can do it all. Maybe you're gonna do everything 100%. Don't pick up on things that you love ⁓ in order to do something else. So to any young woman out there that's debating, do I start a family? Do I continue training? ⁓ Obviously, choose what's right for you, but also know that those things aren't exclusive. You can start a family, and you can maintain and do the things that you love. speaker-0: Yeah, that's such good advice. Jimmy, where can our audience follow you? I think I see on Instagram a little bit. Yeah. speaker-1: I am on Instagram. I don't actually know if I know my Instagram handle. think it's Kimmy Jo. speaker-0: We'll put it in the link if that's what you want to say. Jamie Jo or something like that. I was just looking at it earlier to get ready for this. Well, so is it that what you would like people if they want to ask questions or connect with you? Follow you on Instagram? absolutely. Yeah, we'll throw that in the show notes for everybody out there. Jamie, it's been awesome getting to talk with you. I'm excited to, to hopefully meet you at copper Kings this year. If you're down in Butte and, ⁓ yeah, I wish you the best and keep filling your plate full of stuff. Life's short. You never know. speaker-1: Yeah, very excited for you and your son, right? ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah, comes to worse, we get a day and a half together out in the woods. Maybe longer if we get lost. speaker-1: going to be great. You'll get lost. It's a pretty well marked trail. speaker-0: That's what I like to hear, Jamie. Positive reinforcements. Thank you so much for joining us. It's an honor to have you on the show and we can't wait to follow along in your journey. Hey everybody, it's Jared Hardy here. If the on purpose podcast has sparked something in you, maybe a shift, a question, or a deeper dive, my excellence and leadership course is built to help you act upon it. This isn't just about leading others, it's about leading yourself with intention, resilience, and clarity. speaker-1: Thank for having me. speaker-0: Whether you're an individual chasing growth or a team ready to level up, I offer custom coaching and speaking engagements to meet you where you are. 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