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How Do You Say "WAP"? · Not Right Now

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  [upbeat music] I saw there was a tweet online. Someone said, "Wait, Beyonce was in a girl group?" And everyone was like, "Now I'm gonna... I wanna fucking die."
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  [upbeat music] Welcome to Not Right Now, the podcast about parenting through all of this. We'll be talking about slash crashing out over topics like... TikTok time limits and the collapse of local news.
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  And reminder, you can send questions or feedback to questionsatnotrightnow.show. [upbeat music] I wanna talk about music this week, Claire. Let me start with this. It's... What time is it there? Eleven twenty.
• 3:11
  Do you drive your kids to school? Do they walk, take the bus?
• 3:13
  My husband drives the kids normally, and they actually play DJ in the car typically on the way there, so I ask him to tell me a little bit about what music they're listening to.
• 3:22
  But I do wanna say before I talk about my kids, if I may, I grabbed my time and my privilege this morning, and I was an absolute Karen this morning about music because I went to an Orange Theory class, and I was infuriated that our teacher chose a playlist that seemed to be only white men guitar music.
• 3:41
  I'd say like Jimmy Eat World and maybe Blink-182 and Foo Fighters.
• 3:47
  And there has been an ice storm here, and the class was at eight forty-five, and I was like, "I did not get up this morning to work out and be in the red zone to listen to music that no Black person or gay person ever listens to."
• 3:58
  And so I gently told the front desk lady that I was too much of a wimp to tell the coach, but I was like, "That was not my favorite playlist at any point." But did you offer a solution? What did you propose?
• 4:10
  I said the only white people music I wanna listen to at the gym is Eminem or Britney Spears, and she said, "Maybe Kesha." And I said, "Kesha is allowed." But I wanna pretend like I'm dancing.
• 4:21
  I wanna listen to stuff I listened to when I was in high school or middle school or today's pop music, things that probably are too raunchy to listen to at eight forty-five before you have to go pick up your kids or do a work call or something like that.
• 4:35
  Something that makes you forget for a moment that you are a middle-aged woman trying to beat perimenopause and your metabolism and just for a second pretend that you are in the club, even though maybe you never actually really went to the club, but you can imagine it in your mind while you are power walking on the treadmill.
• 4:53
  One of my favorite things, three nights a year, my children have a home summer swim meet, and their team, it's a big... It's like Friday night lights, but more fun, but for neighborhood swimming.
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  Their team is hundred and seventy-five kids, something like that, from ages six to eighteen. It's this totally unique thing. They grow up together on the same... It's, it's all great.
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  Anyways, three nights a year they have home meets, and as of couple years ago, I took on the full-time announcing duties and which I basically turned into a DJ set.
• 5:22
  And you realize very quickly what will make this six-hour meet. And then, okay, like anything else, like you're writing in an audience, who is this for?
• 5:31
  Who are these adults, but also who are these hundred and seventy-five times two, four hundred kids? And so you gotta really bridge some like upbeat, I guess it's Taylor Swift.
• 5:41
  What was the album where she was mad at everybody? That's every album. No, like in a, the snake one where everybody got- Oh. Retribution? No. What's it called? You're asking the...
• 5:52
  I don't, I hate to be gendered, but I have two boys, so we don't really fuck with much of this. No, I get it. Anyways. Sorry. But it's like the more party type stuff. Yeah.
• 5:59
  Or it was easy to lean at first into, "Oh, we'll do fun disco stuff and things like that."
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  And then I really realized like-All these parents want to hear at, like, 9:30 on a Monday night after we've been there for three hours is, like, Usher and Little John and all the things that you know, like you said, in the club, there's a still an animal part of them that's like, "The last time I heard this song, it was not appropriate what was happening."
• 6:23
  And- Yeah... I just like to look around at all those parents when you play it and go, like, "What are they thinking about? What is this making them think about?"
• 6:30
  There is a, a woman I follow on Instagram who did a, a bit about how disheartening it is to be 45 and to see all the music that you used to listen to being advertised for things like full body deodorant and hot flash medicine.
• 6:46
  But it works. This really killed me. I saw an ad for Cologuard, Little John, and, and it was about get low, meaning shit in the box and send it, and it was really...
• 6:57
  I used Cologuard, and that was a weird experience where I was like, "Maybe it would've been better to actually go get a full...
• 7:04
  Oh, my God, like, a whole routine," 'cause then I'd get drugs and everything 'cause it is really strange. Have you used it, by the way? Have you used Cologuard? May I talk about poop for a minute? Please, by all means.
• 7:13
  I, not to brag, but I was cleared as being the kind of person who can do the box without having to go get a whole process in the hospital, but you have to, like, send a good poop, and that's really s- that's a lot of pressure 'cause you don't really know, always know what you're gonna get.
• 7:26
  So then you're wondering if they're gonna judge the value of your turd, if they're gonna be, "This is a big mess." Like, "God, what, what's her problem?"
• 7:33
  And then once you get it going and you send it in the mail, you have to go drop it off at the UPS store, and it says Cologuard on it that they know that you're giving them a box of shit.
• 7:42
  So anyway, I might just go to the hospital next time and get the good drugs and just get a camera put up my butt or whatever it is that gets done.
• 7:50
  But anyway, yeah, music I used to listen to in college was advertised for this service, and I guess that must be what it was like when, like, your parents heard The Beatles to advertise SunChips and Nike and things like that.
• 8:03
  No, I think that's it. So let's talk a little bit about, imagine, let's pick sort of a median. Imagine you're... Not imagine. Take me back to when you were sixth, seventh grade, 13. What's popping right now for you?
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  What's on repeat? It's before I went to high school, we were way more in, like, LL Cool J,
• 8:23
  Milli Vanilli, I would say Bell Biv DeVoe, Boyz II Men, Motown Philly, and then we got to high school, and then a little bit more what you call alternative music came in, so Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins and Nirvana.
• 8:39
  So that is where I came from. Living in Chicago, we still do have, like, good terrestrial radio, which I'm one of the few people in the world who, like, has a kitchen radio, and I prefer to listen to terrestrial radio.
• 8:51
  And it'd be a mix of what we call B96, The Killer B, what you'd put on your Friday night party music, but then also, like, indie rock radio station. And that was the main blend, I would say.
• 9:02
  Didn't get into, like, dancey pop kind of gay music until maybe college or so, but yeah, that was what we had going on. What about you guys?
• 9:09
  First, was anything, were you indoctrinated into any type of music by your parents that was everything on growing up that you kind of held onto, or maybe you did, and you shed some of it for the poppy stuff? Yeah.
• 9:19
  We listened to the oldies station a lot. Back then, oldies was, like, the 1950s and '60s, which was... I have no regrets. That's fun music, and that's good for kids.
• 9:28
  And then my mom would have us listen to the classical station a lot, which actually the classical station now is my NPR 'cause I can't handle NPR, so classical music is my
• 9:39
  just when you want something peaceful and educational to wash over you, I listen to classical music.
• 9:44
  And then my dad was actually into pop music of the time, so a lot of cassettes of things like Dire Straits, Cyndi Lauper- Oh, yeah. Sure... Madonna, Huey Lewis.
• 9:55
  Uh, and it's been interesting 'cause there's, like, music that sort of was in the background that I didn't really
• 10:00
  clock until lately that I got back into, Genesis and Doobie Brothers and Steely Dan and things like that, but my dad was a little bit more into pop music, and he likes, he would like to get a little bit, have a few cocktails and talk about how important Elvis was, which and you're like, "Who cares?
• 10:15
  Okay, Dad, go back to bed." But a pretty good... They came from, they're boomers, so they think they invented r- pop and rock music, so they like to talk about reflecting back on...
• 10:26
  My dad claims, there's a part of me that thinks this wasn't true. He claims that he saw Dylan perform, and he plugged in, and it was still at the time where Dylan got booed for plugging in.
• 10:35
  And part of me is like, "Did you really go to something like that or did you remember that?" He also says he almost saw The Beatles, which is, like, not a thing.
• 10:44
  That's being like- Oh, yeah, my parents said they missed Woodstock because my dad had a softball game, and I'm like- Right. Yeah... doesn't... Nope. Almost. No.
• 10:51
  But my mom remembers that there was some, I think at the Northwestern homecoming game, they had, their team was playing someone whose coach was Hayes, and they had some, it doesn't matter, but they're playing the music, Purple Hayes, and she, it was like being right there, like, the perfect music for the perfect time.
• 11:06
  It was like when I was in New York City and it was New Year's and it was 1999, and they put on the Prince song, "1999," and you're like, "Yes, this is it.
• 11:15
  This is, I'm right here, slotted right where this song was meant to be." So I think that was the same experience for them. [upbeat music] Hey, I have three kids. They eat so much. We try to eat real food.
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  We try to cook when we can. We try not to waste too much 'cause it drives me nuts, and it's expensive, and also for obvious climate reasons, which is why the Mill Food Recycler changed our lives a couple years ago.
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• 12:28
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  It's right there for you. Check it out. Huge thanks to Mill for sponsoring our work and doing the right thing, and thanks to all of you listeners for supporting our partners. [upbeat music] How about you guys?
• 13:17
  What about your parents? I got a lot... My parents are from Jersey, so we got a lot of Bruce Springsteen, which I stand by, even if I listen to less now for a variety of reasons, but really stand by that.
• 13:30
  Lotta Motown, stuff like that growing up. I remember really distinctly my dad making these tapes of...
• 13:38
  They had a bar in college that eventually closed because I'm sure they were just serving 18-year-old children alcohol, and it was called Hicky's, and so he made these, I remember these four tapes, and they were, like, the songs that they listened to when they were at Hicky's in, whatever, '71, something like that, and thinking, "This is great music.
• 13:56
  This is..." Like you said, it's, like, really, it's great stuff. It stands the test of time. There was a lot of that, but I do think as oppressive as my childhood could be at times, I do wonder, like,
• 14:08
  how much or how little they thought about... Did they ever think, "This is the kind of music I'm gonna expose my child to today"?
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  Was there any thought process behind that, or was it the boomer thing of, "You're gonna listen to what I'm listening to, and I don't even consider that you're standing in this room with me"? Yeah, that's funny.
• 14:25
  My dad, he would play Beatles music, but I didn't get into The Beatles until I saw Paul McCartney play "Hey Jude" on Saturday Night Live. Mm-hmm. And I remember it was like, "I won't take it when you're giving it to me.
• 14:36
  I have to take it-" Sure... in my own way. And then of course, my brother, because it's him, he hated The Beatles because if we liked it, that m- then he... He's just that kinda guy.
• 14:45
  Like, he's the guy with the hot take that The Beatles are not great. He listened to music soundtracks instead, like the Jurassic Park soundtrack, things like that. I have the fucking CD over there.
• 14:55
  I have that, but at the same time, like, I was the antithesis to that.
• 14:58
  I went f- fully into the most popular music you could listen to, just the raunchiest R&B, and I know you have a note in here about, you said I was dancing to "I Wanna Sex You Up" in seventh grade.
• 15:10
  All kinds of shit like that. So much stuff. 112, Notorious B.I.G., like you said, LL Cool J when he went, like, full into just songs about sexy time.
• 15:20
  My friend and I even made CDs, which were, like, make out CDs, and we handed those out at school.
• 15:24
  A friend of mine recently, she admitted that she's still got them, which is amazing, so I like to think they're responsible for her children. Do you wanna hear something funny? I have a friend who...
• 15:32
  And she and I were, like, good music friends. I remember, I feel like we listened to Beck a lot together, and I turned her onto Phish, and she's one of my friends who became, like, a touring Phish Head kinda person.
• 15:41
  But she was recently, not recently, but maybe some years ago, listening to an old mixtape that someone gave her in high school just to go back down memory lane, and she, I guess, never listened to it all the way till the very end, and at the end of side A or whatever, he said, "Tracy, will you go to homecoming with me?"
• 16:00
  That's incredible. Those things are time capsules.
• 16:02
  I remember, oh, God, my, another buddy and I, my dad got a new, it was a Compaq desktop, and we got it, and the day we got it, he and I attempted to install, like, a CD burner drive in it, into this brand-new computer, and the computer never turned back on again.
• 16:18
  Oh, no. And it did not go great. But making those, the tapes and the CDs, was amazing. But yeah, I'm, like, looking through my playlist here, and it was everything, like, Dr. Dre, Dire Straits, Blackstreet.
• 16:29
  Bruce Hornsby's from my town. We had quite a bit of that. Let's see, what else was growing up here? Eminem, obviously. Lot of Jay-Z, early Kanye, Beasties.
• 16:39
  Beastie Boys were very much my high school because I feel like a lot of my high school population was white boys who really wanted to be Black, and then some Black people who would tolerate them. Yeah, a lot of NSYNC.
• 16:50
  I saw NSYNC in concert in college. That was, like, semi-ironic concert-viewing experience, but also not. I have to say, it's pretty fun to have at least one of those experiences, a bunch of screaming girls- Fully...
• 17:02
  for, I have no regrets about that. And me, yeah. What else do I have here from that era? Like you said, some Pearl Jam. I mostly used the alternative hard rock stuff.
• 17:10
  I was less into the grungy than I was walking around... I'll send you a picture. I was telling my wife about this recently. My Walkman was, like, the Walkman Sport, the yellow one- The velvet...
• 17:20
  that had the clamp, the whole thing. Mm-hmm. And then eventually CD player, but yeah, I used rock for pump-up. Yeah. That's what it was for, and everything else was all time.
• 17:27
  But at the same time, like, my bus drivers played Biggie and Tupac and... Oh, yeah. That would be at our typing class. Oh, man. Quinn, this is getting depressing.
• 17:36
  In my calligraphy class, going into high school, there was, like, a summer school thing that was basically like the get the little babies, 'cause our high school is 3,000 kids, gigantic.
• 17:44
  And you would take summer school to orient yourself to the school, and you took typing, and they would play, oh my God, 103.5, I wanna say, which was, like, dusties and R&B music, and that was really good, I feel like, g- good entree to the music that...
• 18:00
  But the typing teacher wanted to listen to, and that was great background. Good for typing. Good for a quick brown fox. Tell me if any of these ring a bell. I just clicked on the '90s R&B Essentials playlist.
• 18:10
  Lauryn Hill. Mm-hmm. We still play that on repeat. Oh, yeah. Destiny's Child, obviously. I saw there was a tweet online. Someone said, "Wait, Beyoncé was in a girl group?"
• 18:19
  And everyone was like, "Now I'm gonna, I wanna fucking die."Yeah, Mariah Carey, Usher, TLC, Keith Sweat, obviously Montell Jordan, like you said Boyz II Men- Salt-N-Pepa... Salt-N-Pepa. Lot of Whitney, love Whitney.
• 18:31
  K-Ci & JoJo- Oh.... Ginuwine, Joe, Mary J. Blige. Yeah. It's a pretty, it's pretty standard list. Brandy, yep. "Don't Go Chasing Waterfalls."
• 18:42
  Do you wanna hear something funny that made me, just tickled me so much, was my son asked me a while ago when he was younger if Beyoncé is still alive. Oh.
• 18:50
  Which just made me laugh 'cause Beyoncé is so pervasive, and her influence only grows. 'Cause, like, Destiny's Child was just came on when I was in college.
• 18:58
  Like, I remember, yeah, like, "Bootylicious," uh, that is a mind fuck is, like, seeing these people who've been relevant for so long and still be relevant and look so good and still make music, which I know, I saw Paul McCartney play when I was 40, and for a long time I didn't wanna see him 'cause I was like, "He's such a dork and so uncool."
• 19:17
  Sure. And my son actually asked, "Is he still alive?" And I was like, it hit me like, "Yeah, he is still alive, you idiot. Go see him play." Yeah. "Oh, he is? Like, when he dies, you could have seen him."
• 19:28
  And he was fantastic. Yeah. We, we went and saw him at Dodger Stadium and you're like, "Oh, got it, it's that guy." Let me ask you this.
• 19:36
  Did your parents ever police any of your own music that you were playing or listening to or? Not really. I had a good sense of what to listen to around them and what not to listen to around them, and they didn't care.
• 19:51
  I listened to music in my own bedroom and things like that. It's funny 'cause my husband has his own personality on this because he was an only child and had a completely different relationship with his parents.
• 20:01
  And his dad was a big band DJ and had really strong opinions on what real music is, which is, like, Benny Hill, big band.
• 20:10
  And so he felt this intense sense of shame around pop music, and he, like, was embarrassed if they ever heard it.
• 20:17
  And I think 'cause my dad did listen to and care about pop music, and even up until cer- certain point, like, he liked, like, Pete Yorn, so not too much.
• 20:26
  I also wasn't a dummy who was gonna be like, "Hey, listen to this Nelly song. I think you're really gonna like it."
• 20:31
  I remember them not thinking very much of it when I played them, one of my first tapes I bought was En Vogue, and they covered "Yesterday," and I played that for them, and they didn't think that much of it.
• 20:40
  No, not too much. They gave me enough space, and I didn't really ask for their approval. Did you d- have one of those embarrassing experiences where you made your parents listen to new music and they yelled at you?
• 20:50
  Yeah, a version of that.
• 20:51
  I did just think of one memory where I tried to justify having them listen to Dru Hill by playing them, I had picked up a single of something, "Somebody's Sleeping in My Bed," but there was a single which included an a cappella version.
• 21:04
  I played it for them and I was like, "Listen, these guys can sing." And they were like, "This is, what is your problem?" Oh. By the way, Dru Hill's fantastic.
• 21:10
  And then we got "The Thong Song" from that from when Sisqó spun off. Jams all around. I less asked for permission and more as a moron.
• 21:19
  Like, I just played what I was gonna played and got yelled at, probably in part so that I could yell back and fight about it. Yeah.
• 21:26
  But I have such a specific memory of my dad, who now loves this kind of music, taking my "Promiscuous" looking Foxy Brown CD- Mm-hmm... and splitting it in half, like- Whoa...
• 21:36
  cracking in half because, you know, the titles of all the songs were, one, amazing when I was 15. Yeah. But I get inappropriate, and now I think about that.
• 21:45
  Like, my, I was, this morning, so I was excited we're talking about this, so you know, you go through this period where when your kids, up till they're two, you can play literally whatever the fuck you want.
• 21:55
  It doesn't matter. They only wanna hear a certain shit, but you can play your shit and not have to think about what any of this says. Can they pick out words? Much less, what is this about?
• 22:04
  And then they want their own stuff, and you're doing M- Moana and Encanto for a while, which is great, and Frozen. But then you're like, "Now let's start playing some stuff."
• 22:12
  And they get into things, and for real, it was Taylor Swift for two years, and like you said, Beastie Boys.
• 22:18
  M- my oldest right now alternates between John Williams Essentials, essentially, which I totally feel, and AC/DC Live, which is great. That's adorable. It's great. It's great.
• 22:28
  But then it was pouring rain this morning, and so I drove them down to their little bus stop so they didn't complain about being wet, picking my fights.
• 22:36
  And we're waiting in the car, and we're listening to Chappell Roan's album from last year that's- Mm. Yeah... just so good. Yeah.
• 22:41
  And there's some very obviously wonderfully powerful and sexy songs in there, but I remember at one point, there's one song, something you wanna fuck me, and I- Mm-hmm...
• 22:49
  watched my 10-year-old and my eight-year-old look at each other like, "Holy shit." Yeah. I'm not sure if they know what that in specific means, but they know that word's not cool. Yeah.
• 22:59
  No, I do like her music, and my s- my kids do, too. And I don't wanna be cool parent and be like, "Hey, let's talk about..." This sort of music is pretty not necessarily for kids.
• 23:09
  Or at least I choose the cleaner versions, or I don't say, "Hey, when she says, 'I got a wand and a rabbit,' do you know what those mean?" Right. No, but I guess I just have gone more neutra- like,
• 23:22
  you know, when my 12-year-old, I think he was, like, 9 or 10, and we just have one of those Siri speakers in the basement. And I remember hearing him blasting, like, Eminem, and I know, again, great. Sure, great.
• 23:33
  One of the greatest rappers of all time, top five. But there's some stuff in there that's like, it's not sexy, not great. It's other things not great. And I remember thinking like- Yeah...
• 23:40
  I just said to him, I was like, "Not yet. We'll get there."
• 23:42
  But listening to Chappell Roan stuff this morning, and I guess my wife and I [laughs] have come to this point because we both have decent potty mouths, is they're gonna hear it.
• 23:50
  We're not k- trying to be, like, aggressively proactive, the cool parents, though my wife will say- Yeah... "This is their art. They get to say what they wanna say for their art."
• 23:59
  But at the same time, it's like, I don't know. I, I don't know, man. First of all, it's Chappell Roan. I just want you to, 'cause it, you just have to, I don't want you to embarrass yourself. What did I say?
• 24:06
  Chappelle, like Dave Chappelle. Mm-hmm. And I don't want you to- Oh, she doesn't deserve that? Chappell? Yeah, Chappell. Chappell, Chappell. Yeah. Sorry, I don't mean to be pedantic. Please.
• 24:17
  But 'cause there's the whole singalong aspect to it, and eventually how hard are you gonna hit those N words when you're rapping along to-Whatnot.
• 24:26
  And I show them stuff like, I watch a lot of RuPaul's Drag Race with them. It's so good. I, my, like, joke with my husband that I just like...
• 24:32
  I actually told my husband, I was like, "I need to play them the new Lady Gaga song because they just need to be a little bit more gay."
• 24:38
  So they watch Drag Race and they, people are always calling each other bitch, but I'm like, "But you're not allowed to say that ever." And that's the difference. You can be like, "Not for you." Uh-huh. They're adults.
• 24:47
  It's a thing. But yeah. It's funny 'cause they [laughs]...
• 24:51
  So Super Bowl is this weekend, whenever, when this will air, but Kendrick Lamar is obviously the halftime artist, and I know about his cultural relevance, but I don't really actually know his music.
• 25:01
  And the weird backdoor entry is that I knew, 'cause I read gossip, I knew about his beef with Drake. I knew about these diss tracks going back and forth. I didn't know the music. And then I finally...
• 25:15
  I was like, "I should listen to some of this," so I finally listened to Not Like Us. And do you know that song? Have you heard it? I do. The- Yep. Okay. Yep. The...
• 25:23
  I was like, "I know this song," and it's because my 12-year-old rewrote the lyrics to make a rap song with him and his friend. He and his friend are so dorky together.
• 25:32
  I think I told you about when they made their own Pokemon cards and he got his own laminating machine. So he clearly has listened to all of this music and heard all these words. But I can't be mad.
• 25:41
  This guy's performing at the Super Bowl. It's not like this is transgressive stuff. It's mainstream. It's already been mainstreamed.
• 25:48
  And I'm just gonna, I don't know, just leave it there for now, and we'll figure it out, 'cause I don't know. I'm not... I can't be too pressed about that right this second.
• 25:56
  And I know my place in culture, which is like, not relevant. No one wants to know what I think. That's the thing. Again, there's obviously lines with some stuff, though clearly we're giving up on those left and right.
• 26:06
  But first of all, they just don't care what I think. They just don't care. No, and if you try too hard, they will... It'll go the opposite way.
• 26:15
  I mean, remember when our kids were babies, and you're like, "I'm gonna put my kid in a Wu-Tang onesie. Ha ha." Like, cool. I'm a cool parent and cool baby. Or I remember when my son was like, two, and he listened to...
• 26:28
  We have a video of him eating baby food, and we're playing Sierra music, and he's like, dropping. Sure. I'm like, "Look at my cool baby. Look what I did." Sure. My kids watched the video for Despacito before I did.
• 26:38
  Have you seen that? No, but I'm aware of... Yeah. So m- you'll probably, even though it's 10 years later, you'll have the experience I did. And I'm, I try to be on top of stuff, but I was like, "Oh,
• 26:48
  this new song everyone's talking about."
• 26:50
  Open it up in YouTube, and again, this is like 10 years ago, and it's like, "Congratulations, you're the seven billionth person to have seen this video," and you're like, "Oh, I'm actually the last one-" Yeah....
• 26:58
  that has... There are no other people. But the video is incredible, but not for what was at the time, like my three, four, and five-year-olds.
• 27:06
  But just an incredibly catchy song for dancing around the kitchen when I'm just trying to make fucking chicken nuggets. It's whatever gets it done. Yeah.
• 27:14
  Going back to Eminem is, we're always trying to think of movies to watch with the kids that we actually would wanna watch.
• 27:19
  And as they've been listening to Eminem, I was like, "Maybe 8 Mile," and then I was like, I remember that a lot of Eminem's music is about, like, wanting to kill/maybe have sex with his mom.
• 27:29
  And I'm like, "I won't be the one to introduce this." It's already... Things are weird enough as it is. But do you remember what your first concerts were, and if you've taken your kids to any, like, major shows?
• 27:41
  Have they gotten to that milestone yet? Good questions. I don't remember what my first one was. It might have been Tom Petty. I don't know. It might've been, like, Missy Elliott. She's from Virginia Beach.
• 27:52
  That was a great one. She was a fucking all-star. It's up there. I do remember a really great one in high school. But at the same time, we also had, like...
• 27:59
  I have a T-shirt, and I don't remember going, so maybe it's my older brother's, of, like, you know, Wim Marius. Five feet down the street, and they've got this amphitheater on the water.
• 28:08
  And it was one of those concerts where it's eight bands, and the... And you've never heard of any of them, but the third one is called Dave Matthews, and I was 10. Oh. I was like, "Wait, was that my first concert?"
• 28:17
  Like, possibly. I don't know. Yeah. All I wanted to do was hang out with my older brother and his friends. But I do remember trying to impress a girl, and a bunch of us went to a... This was a two-hander concert.
• 28:27
  One was not, like, the opener for the other. It was Jewel- Oh... and Rusted Root in Virginia Beach, and that was a good one. And I remember that specifically because also trying to show off.
• 28:37
  W- I remember we went to a very questionable place to get wings, and I thought it was awesome, so I ordered the ones where the lady was like, "You shouldn't do that," and I did. And I haven't had a hot thing since then.
• 28:48
  Yeah, I don't know. I tried to do the gamut. I wish I had gone to more, but at the same time, like, very privileged growing up.
• 28:55
  But my parents were also very much like, "Look, if you need something, like, we will help with that. But if it's something, like, you want, best of luck. Best wishes." Yeah. Right.
• 29:04
  My dad, I remember I had some baseball cleats, and I wanted the new Ken Griffey ones. Oh. And he was like, "That's great for you.
• 29:15
  Get on your little bike and ride four miles to this seafood restaurant" he was a partial owner of, and he said, "You can start washing dishes today."
• 29:23
  And it was fucking awful, but I did, and I got those cleats, and I was like, "They're amazing." So I don't think I got to go to [laughs] a lot of concerts 'cause I couldn't fucking afford it. And now it's a nightmare.
• 29:32
  And they would have to go to get in line to get the tickets back then. They took us to a Stones concert, that's interesting, in Baltimore- Oh... when I was, like, 13. I remember think- But I think that was for them.
• 29:43
  I think that was one of those, we're gonna consciously try to expose them to this- Yeah... and it's within striking distance. And my dad was mad the whole time, but it was amazing. That's so funny. We took the kids to...
• 29:53
  They've been to, like, some fests, which I don't think quite count. Evanston had a folk fest this summer that we went to.
• 29:58
  But we took them to see Weird Al Yankovic a couple years ago, but it wasn't the, like, mainstream tour. He was like, "These are my B side, like, the original songs, not the covers."
• 30:11
  And I saw this, and I told my husband, I was like, "These are not the songs that they love." That, 'cause my kids love Weird Al 'cause they're boys, and Weird Al is made for little boys.
• 30:18
  And not only little boys, but let's just be real. And he said, "No, let's do it anyway." And the intro was a comedian named Emo Phillips, who is a, like, late 1980s comedian who's, like, kind of conceptual.
• 30:31
  And so my son at the time kept whispering angrily to meWhy is that funny? After every punchline, and at a certain point I said, "Just be bored and just sit there." I got tired trying to explain the jokes.
• 30:43
  So then Weird Al comes out and he does these songs, and none of them are Eat It or White and Nerdy.
• 30:47
  And they were bored and laying in their seats, and I think my husband and I just made the decision that we were gonna just enjoy the show and ignore them. And that actually felt like a weird milestone in our- Mm-hmm...
• 31:01
  parenting, where we were like, "We don't give a shit about them. They're fine. They're alive." They're gonna be fine. They're behaving. Yeah.
• 31:07
  And w- we paid the money, we're here, we're at Symphony Center, and we're gonna enjoy it. So- That's a big parenting thing, 'cause it's so hard not to constantly look over and be like, "Don't do that. Are you bored?
• 31:16
  I'm sorry you're annoyed," this and this, and just be like, "Here's the deal. This is how we are on flights at this point. You don't want anything to do with me, I don't want anything to do with you."
• 31:25
  Like you said, we paid for these tickets, but please don't talk to me. Like this, I need my time.
• 31:30
  It was funny 'cause I have a friend of mine, and he and I are like music friends and concert friends, but he took his daughter several years ago to see The Weeknd.
• 31:39
  And I think he only knew his hits, and his daughters must have been maybe like 9 and 11 at the time. And I remember thinking like, "That's not a kids show." And Weeknd really is not kids music.
• 31:52
  And it was at Soldier Field. We live in Evanston, so it's quite a schlep. Soldier Field is a pain in the ass to get to. And it turned out exactly the way I thought it would, where it started late, everyone is dressed...
• 32:03
  Oh, I think they were sitting next to someone he mentioned who was a person of size, who was like wearing bondage clothing and spilling out of their seat and their clothes, and they had a blocked view.
• 32:13
  And the girls decided they wanted to go home after four songs, and the dad was furious 'cause this was a lot of money and a lot of time. It is just interesting when parents, like, are cool like that.
• 32:22
  I went and volunteered at the Charli XCX Troye Sivan show this summer to register people to vote. Ha ha. We were so young and innocent then. And I don't know if you are a brat, Quinn. No. Ugh.
• 32:35
  From my understanding of brat, which is very limited, and also one of those words I'm not allowed to use in the house. Like, when I called the rainstorm this morning riz, and they just left. Oh, boy.
• 32:46
  Just digging the hole deeper. I'm not.
• 32:48
  But just to preface to say I'm on the same page, I didn't know who these people were either until, I guess it was this summer, they did a tour together and I think Lorde showed up at one point.
• 32:57
  And her music was everywhere with the original album and the remixes. I didn't know who Troye was either. I didn't know he was also an actor.
• 33:03
  But I did see someone was like, "Oh, they had this Madison Square Garden show, it was like the greatest thing ever happened."
• 33:08
  And I Googled him and I saw, I don't know, he was on YouTube on some talk show a couple years ago talking about coming out. And it was like the most eloquent thing ever, and I was like, "Great, I'm a fan now."
• 33:19
  So that's my answer. That's how much I know about them. Yeah. I went 'cause I was like, this'll be a good show to volunteer for because I, I think it'll be great people watching.
• 33:27
  It's very much, like, of the moment, but also I don't really care if I see the show that much. And the people watching was amazing. There was a lot of, like, men wearing, like, little undies that say...
• 33:37
  And wearing a tight T-shirt that said Baby Slut on them, and, like, a lot of skin. But there were a couple of parents there with kids, little kids, and I was like, uh, this is not a kid scene, per se.
• 33:48
  And I was like, "Cool mom," a little bit side-eyeing them, but also being like, "I respect you. You are a cool mom."
• 33:55
  But also there were definitely guys, like, on GHB in front of me at the show, like, falling behind the seats, falling in front of the seats. And I did leave early, and I was like, "Good job.
• 34:05
  All you youths who are registered to vote, enjoy your show. I'm gonna go to bed."
• 34:09
  So it's a funny thing to me because obviously there's a big difference bet- I always think of this as people with bumper stickers on their car, which is you saw that, you paid for it, or you sought it out, you paid for it.
• 34:21
  You went outside, you took the time to go outside, and put that exactly h- Like, this is very intentional.
• 34:27
  Something comes on, you're the only person that still listens to the radio playlist or whatever it is your kids are playing it. The effort required to be like, "Can we change that?"
• 34:36
  Either 'cause it's bad or it's, quote-unquote, "inappropriate," is a lot less than, "Am I gonna pay and take my time to take you to one of these things?" Right?
• 34:46
  Which is, you're not necessarily condoning it, but you're saying like, "All right. I support your support, at least for the five minutes you're into whoever this is, whatever this is."
• 34:55
  And you can usually tell who's gonna stand out and who, who's not for a longer period of time. And for a year and three quarters, all my daughter wanted was to go to one of these Taylor Swift concerts. Mm.
• 35:07
  And we were like, "Absolutely not." [laughs] Because all my wife and I could think about was, like, our parents would've been like, "Oh, that's great. Go fuck yourself." Oh.
• 35:16
  Not because of the music, amazing, or the show, apparently incredible, but the, simply the cost and what that cost... First of all, I'm not paying that, but also what that
• 35:27
  means, and they immediately tell their friends, and their friends tell their parents, "Why can't I go?" And their parents know exactly- Oh... how much that costs and all that different...
• 35:35
  It's like when someone comes over to your house for the first time or they see your fucking car.
• 35:38
  And yeah, we fended it off for so long, until one of the producers of the Wicked album was like, "Oh, I can just get you guys tickets." Oh, okay. All right. And she was like, "Is that better or worse?" I'll allow it.
• 35:49
  And then it was in Miami, so it's, that's in striking distance from Virginia. But we were like, "Okay." And my wife could say we got them through work, but we got very lucky. It was basically the end of the tour.
• 36:01
  And as much as, as usual, I was incredibly difficult about the whole thing, mad dad from start to finish.
• 36:08
  I did, when giving you that answer of what were my first shows and what were the, the sort of the fundamental building blocks, 'cause live music's incredible. Like, I played music for a very long time and love it.
• 36:18
  I saw John Williams at the Bowl. I've done all the different versions of everything. I've seen now 20 Springsteen concerts and all these different things.
• 36:25
  I saw Lauryn Hill on, like, the one night she showed up to do a concert, and it was fucking incredible. And I did think back and go, "Man, I, I almost deprived her of that."
• 36:34
  And there's still a part of me that's just like, "Fuck you."
• 36:38
  But again, when I think back, that's a pretty specific, what do they call them in, uh, Inside Out, core memory?Even though, by the way, now she's, like, completely moved on to Tyla and all these other people and random country artists, but I don't know.
• 36:51
  Maybe I'm getting soft. The Taylor Swift thing, I have such weird feelings about because... And I hate to gender things, but it, to me, d- is so mother-daugh-daughter coded.
• 37:00
  And I know there's mothers who love Taylor Swift with their sons, and I actually like going to concerts by myself.
• 37:05
  I like not having to rely on someone else's energy or preferences or anything like that, but there is something so, "Look at us. We're on social media. We made the bracelets."
• 37:17
  If you went to a Taylor Swift show and didn't post about it on Instagram, did it really happen? Our kids don't go on the internet.
• 37:23
  Like, first of all, we lock them down, but, like, we don't post them or anything like that, and for a thousand annoying reasons, and they hate us for it. But yeah, I don't know.
• 37:32
  But I'm sure, I know they're great shows, just the way that, like, when I saw Paul McCartney play, and he just stood there for three hours on his own. He's 80,000 years old, and he just killed it.
• 37:41
  He starts playing Hey Jude, and you're like, "I am glad I am here. I'm glad I saw this." Oh my God, when I saw The Stones this summer, that was depressing.
• 37:48
  They opened with Start Me Up, and Keith hit a clanger, and he started with the wrong chord, and that really shook me for a long time.
• 37:58
  It was like, it's like when you ever get, like, that feeling when you know there's no God, and it, like, jolts you like electricity, and you just feel so, just n- n- not in the right place.
• 38:07
  Anyway, so I respect Taylor Swift, and I guess I'm happy people who take their daughters, and not necessarily daughters, go see Taylor Swift. But there is something about that experience that I'm like...
• 38:19
  I don't know how to explain it. It i- it's very Disney also. It's the way I feel when parents take their kids to Disney and then also buy their kids so much Disney merch, and I just have these, like, weird feelings of...
• 38:29
  I call it judgy FOMO. That's my thing. But again, I know she knows what she's doing. She's a great artist, and it's great that kids can see. We're gonna take our kids to see Franz Ferdinand, who- Awesome...
• 38:39
  has been around, and, 'cause they like them, and it's an all-ages show. It's at the Vic Theatre, which, which is not that far from us, not a really big show.
• 38:46
  'Cause to me, I think deep down, I am more of, like, a rock dude than I am, like, a diva lady, and so I hope they get a cool experience seeing people.
• 38:54
  And Franz Ferdinand has, like, a disco kind of feel to it, which I like that it's dancey. So I don't know if it'll be a transcendent experience for them or not, but I hope we have a nice time.
• 39:03
  It'll be better than Weird Al singing his unknown originals, but we'll see. In talking about this and listening to you talk about it, no one has less FOMO than I do. Please don't call me. I'm already in bed. I don't...
• 39:14
  Not only do I have a fear of it, I have a fear of you actually calling and doing it, because I just wanna go to bed, and it's been that way for a long time. We talked about the alcoholism and being an introvert.
• 39:23
  But I do have, again, I mentioned my, one of my best friends died, and I've had others and close calls, this real, probably not irrational, 'cause it's coming for anybody, but, like, sentimentality, like, real fear of, of the death thing, and the clock's ticking no matter what.
• 39:39
  And I have this funny story. So we live, I don't know, the miles don't matter in Los Angeles. It was, like, two miles from the Hollywood Bowl, right? Just a incredible place to see any show. It doesn't matter.
• 39:49
  We saw Maggie Rogers there. Again, saw John Williams, like, all the different things. And I think our kids were, like, four, five, and six, and we had tickets for a Sunday night Tom Petty show, right? And it's Tom Petty.
• 40:02
  It's a little... It's not Paul McCartney, but it was a little, we should probably see it. Like, we went to a Springsteen show last year. We were like, "Let's do one. You're stoned. Let's knock it out. Let's count it."
• 40:11
  And k- kids are four, five, and six, whatever it was. By the time 6:00 on Sunday night rolled around, we were like, "We're fucking exhausted. Like, this thing, can't do it."
• 40:20
  We wake up the next morning, and they're like, "The show went so well, he's decided to do one more on Monday night." And we were like, "Let's do it. Let's take an easy day.
• 40:30
  Ship the kids to grandma's," like, whatever it takes. It's two miles down the road. You can take a trolley, all this different shit, right?
• 40:36
  No excuses besides being tired, which, deal with it, and it's just such a great night there. Mm-hmm. Well, we get to 6:00, and we're like, "We're so fucking tired." We got tickets to StubHub, whatever, paid for them.
• 40:46
  And I remember telling my wife, like, "I don't know. We might not get many more chances." She, first of all, she f- fucking hates when I talk like that, even though that's- Yeah...
• 40:54
  all that's going on here all the time- Mm-hmm... is, "Oh, we're running out of time." And- Cat's in the cradle. Yep, that's it. [laughs] And we don't go. And again- Mm... part of me gets it. I'm tired, and we don't go.
• 41:04
  We wake up the next morning, and Tom Petty's fucking dead. Ah, you killed him.
• 41:09
  I literally looked at my wife, and I remember saying, [laughs] and now I'll say this in front of strangers, apropos of nothing, and they're like, "What the fuck?" And I'll say, "You killed Tom Petty." Mm-hmm.
• 41:17
  And now we have a blood oath that if there's, like, a must-see, we gotta go. Yeah. Because you never know. And of course, she hates everything about me most of the time- That's funny... which is fair.
• 41:29
  But I wonder, as much as, like, I push back on the Taylor Swift thing, again, like, I remember going to my first four-hour Springsteen concert, which is like going to church. Like, it's this just incredible thing.
• 41:38
  I remember dragging my wife to Beyoncé at, I think it was, like, 2017, 2018, no kids, at the Rose Bowl, incredible, huge stadium.
• 41:48
  And seeing it, and her dancing in a pool of water, and all this shit, and leaving and being like, "Yeah, one, we're exhausted, but oh my God, that was... Even if we never do it again."
• 41:56
  So I wonder if that's why I finally was like, "I'm glad she had this thing," which is clearly the cultural thing, and deal with all the rest of it. Yeah, no, I know what you mean.
• 42:05
  I saw Prince, and I'm so glad that I did, 'cause he 100% delivered every single... I remember just being like, he was everything. He gave you everything you wanted.
• 42:12
  He was, like, this big, far away, and he was, like, still making eye contact with you, just being, like, so cute and sexy at the same time. Like, but it was funny, 'cause I got invited to see Madonna.
• 42:22
  I was in- offered a free ticket to see her last year, and I said no, because she goes on late, and I'm like, I don't, I don't like Madonna enough to put up with that shit.
• 42:31
  And also, I don't approve of the way that she has chosen to age herself, which I know is a whole other conversation. Cyndi Lauper is a different story.
• 42:40
  But yeah, I chose not to see, and I don't, I actually have no regrets, and I'm sure it was a transcendent show, but I was like, "I don't have thatConnection with her and again, I would be so angry.
• 42:50
  I like a professional, and I know that Taylor Swift would do her three hours, and she knows there's all those little kids in the audience who might not see her again.
• 42:57
  And so now my thing is I was listening to the new Gaga song, which is so stupid, but in the best way, and I'm like, I think when she starts touring, I gotta get tickets probably and get myself over there to see her and just lose myself in the stupid dance Gaga music of it all.
• 43:15
  But that'll be my... And by that point, I'll be 46, which is, okay, how long are we gonna do this for? But- Life, not much longer apparently. I guess that's what...
• 43:24
  But even again, like listening to the Chappell Roan this morning and just endeavoring and failing to be
• 43:33
  even funner dad most of the time, I was like, "Yeah, I would go to the show, it would be a fucking blast," like we'd have a great time.
• 43:40
  Like I would stand out like a monster, and yeah, there's some like relatively inappropriate stuff, this and this, but we're, we're trying to be, again, without being obnoxious, as sex positive as humanly possible, as body positive, all these different things.
• 43:51
  And I'm like, I'd rather get it from there [chuckles] than- Mm-hmm... some other sources that are not so great. Yeah.
• 43:58
  She's so not even t- like transgressive that the cheerleaders for the Evanston Catholic football team were dancing to Hot To Go at the halftime show. Like she, you know, already...
• 44:08
  A- again, you can't get mad at kids for listening to stuff about... I never listened to, um, oh my God, W- WAP, W-A-P. I don't even know how you say it. But yeah, I also, I can't get mad.
• 44:19
  Like I can listen to music while having sex in a hot tub, so you know. All of the time. This is the thing. If you heard your kids listening to I Wanna Sex You Up right now, new song, old song,
• 44:29
  your boys are, what is it, 10 and 12? Nine and 12? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Would you turn it off? That particular song, yes or no? Lightning round. No, I guess not. No, I, I guess I couldn't.
• 44:39
  Probably not, but I think what would be weirder would be explaining to them that I was their age s- singing to that. And I probably wouldn't turn it off, but... Okay. Um, we're gonna do a lightning round.
• 44:50
  Pony by Ginuwine. I would listen to that. WAP. No, come on. Freak Like Me, Adina Howard. No, 'cause they wouldn't get it. Okay. They would... Are you sure they wouldn't pick up on it? No, but I don't know.
• 45:03
  They're pretty dumb. I don't know if they're listening to... They're not necessarily listening to lyrics. Sure, sure, sure.
• 45:07
  But I just, that's, I think that's what I realized this morning is that more than ever, they're listening to the lyrics, and I didn't realize that. I mean, at least for F-bombs that stick out.
• 45:15
  Not my neck, my back, my pussy, my crack. Yeah, I was gonna say, wait, did you send me that video that's like someone like clinging to my neck, my back? Yes. Yeah. Right. Again. Yeah. Very specific, and that's great.
• 45:25
  Not put it in my mouth, I wouldn't do that one. That's right, yeah. We had, uh, some of Snoop Dogg's original album Doggystyle on the other day, which in itself they're just like, "What is that? We love our doodle."
• 45:36
  Yeah. It's so funny. Man, it's funny how he's annoying now for just the journey he's been on where it was like, what a nice elder statesman, and now you're like, "Wait, maybe he will just do anything for money." Right.
• 45:47
  And but good for him. Um, I'm trying to find some other ones that are really offensive, but I can't see 'em now. What about would you take your kids to a Nirvana show right now? No. That was not my thing.
• 45:57
  Those are not my people. You know what I mean? I was not into alternative music to go see it in person like that. What about AC/DC? That would be fun.
• 46:06
  Not, maybe not them now, lol, but absolutely we listen to y- like jock jams- Considering all the AC/DC lyrics are the exact same as Snoop Dogg's basically. I've got big balls, but also that's what boys... I'm a girl.
• 46:18
  Anything, yeah, anything jock jammy is absolutely gonna be- Fucking jock jams. I had additions. I'm gonna have to send you, yeah, I'm gonna have to send you pictures of my CD case that I found. It's pretty incredible.
• 46:30
  Yeah. I, I asked my husband what the kids have been listening to in the car lately. Okay. Let me see, let's see what... Let me read this. He said, oh, Imagine Dragons is still happening. Sure.
• 46:38
  21 Pilots, which it kind of annoys me for reasons I can't quite articulate, but that's fine. Aerosmith, Dreaman is in there.
• 46:45
  I guess Kendrick Lamar, but my husband wanted to point out that th- they've been listening to comedy albums as well, including Bob Newhart's. The- Wow. So he said they're still my kids. By the way, great, but same thing.
• 46:56
  You listen to Steve Martin once or you listen to, oh God, Eddie Murphy Raw. Oh, boy. No. That's... I would not put that on for them. Don't do that. I'm trying to think of what else. I'm on '90s dance party essentials.
• 47:08
  That's not really what we're looking for here. And Missy Elliott. DMX. It's a tough one. A lot of it, I think at a certain point it's like- Yeah... I can have my own interior narrative to the music- Mm-hmm...
• 47:20
  that doesn't involve them. And I'm flashing back to my time and my high school experience, which was like a mix of this raunchy music, but still being an innocent virgin baby, and you just don't know.
• 47:32
  And so they don't wanna hear that about me just the way I don't really wanna know what they're listening to per se. When there is supposed to be a, I think a healthy divide.
• 47:42
  I think it is weird if you are a parent who aspires to share exactly the same music with your kid. Like you should...
• 47:47
  Like it is healthy to not understand or at least pretend to not understand what they're listening to or what's cool. I would, I think. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 47:57
  'Cause otherwise it gets like sad at a certain point if you're like, "Hey, fellow kids," like- Right... "I like whatever it is you're listening to," and I don't. I don't know. I don't know. This is funny.
• 48:06
  I was listening to some YouTube about trap music and like they, the sort of skipping sound, and they were tracking it back to like old Scottish music.
• 48:14
  You know, I'm like, interesting, but also I'm never gonna reveal to my kids that I know anything about this. Like I'll just pretend I can't understand it, and that's fine.
• 48:22
  I'm at the point now where I can't unhear the triangle in Yeah, you know, the Lil Jon Usher song and- Oh, no, it's Pavlovian. Yeah. It drives me crazy now. Yeah. I, I don't know.
• 48:32
  What do your kids listen to besides post Chappell Roan and I presume Kendrick? It's a lot of that stuff. It's a lot of, as my daughter says about whatever the playlist is, like today's hits. Mm.
• 48:43
  It comes and it goes with whatever's going on. My oldest is, again, definitely into a wide range of things. Oh, God, this, this morning-I heard him because he plays drums like I did, which is a mistake.
• 48:54
  [laughs] But he's downstairs fucking around on his drums, and he's... Again, it's always John Williams or it's AC/DC, and then I heard a bunch of other '90s music, and I was like, "Hey, that was really great."
• 49:04
  And he goes, "Yeah, I asked Siri to play a, a 1900s playlist of rock music." And so, I don't know.
• 49:10
  Again, I'll throw on random shit, 'cause I still like being exposed to old stuff, but I'll also be like, "Yeah, we're gonna listen to NSYNC." That's the way it's gonna go. Yeah. I have a friend whose son convinced her...
• 49:20
  This is her younger son, and I have a- I think there's a big difference between younger and older kids, but her younger son convinced her to take him to see Travis Scott because he pre- presented a very convincing, uh, PowerPoint presentation.
• 49:33
  I was, like, surprised that she said yes to that because, like, uh, Travis Scott, I think of Astroworld, basically, and, and him, like, seemingly not discouraging trampling, basically. But yeah, I don't know.
• 49:44
  But apparently they had a good time, and she sat in the back and read a book or something like that. And again, like I- I'm all for, look man, whatever you're into, as long as you're not hurting people.
• 49:54
  Would I take my kids to an Insane Clown Posse show? N- no. Would I do Nirvana? I mean, maybe, but that's also in, like, hindsight, like, super sentimental, as much as the music is great, right? How about Kanye now?
• 50:05
  I saw Kanye first album when he... At some Playhouse of Blues with Jennifer Hudson. No, but in those first eight years, like, oh my God, are you kidding me? And like- Yeah... he made all the Jay-Z music.
• 50:15
  I remember, again, a once in a lifetime thing. I don't remember how this happened.
• 50:18
  Friend of a friend was living in New York, and I got this call, and it's 10:00 on a Saturday night, and my friend is like, "I'm on my way to the Apollo," to very white guy, me and him.
• 50:27
  He said, "Jay-Z's doing a show at the Apollo tonight, didn't tell anybody. Like, you can come with me."
• 50:32
  And I remember going, and we're in, like, the fourth row and just thinking, like, "This is, like, the greatest thing that's ever happened. And I get to cross Jay-Z off my list, which is great."
• 50:39
  Again, this was like 2005, 2006 peak. But yeah, I don't know. Again, there... I think there's an obvious line, and then there's ones that are like, what? Do whatever you want.
• 50:50
  I just wanna go in the closet and eat trail mix. Yeah. So what are you listening to now, then? If you're gonna go for a walk or something like that, like, what is showing up for you? Silence a lot of time, honestly.
• 50:59
  I do classical music a lot during the day 'cause it's helpful, and words are distracting to me. Words that I know really well, like perfectly, are not distracting anymore. Oh, okay.
• 51:09
  Like movies, I can put on Hunt for Red October all day and it won't bother me. Let's look at my recently played list. The energy playlist from Apple Music I use for working out, 'cause it's just...
• 51:18
  It's a radio station, and it's just dumb jock jams- Oh... which is all I really need. Chapel Roan, Lord of the Rings soundtrack, roller skating jams. Oh, that's cute. Hard bop essentials, which is great jazz. Oh.
• 51:31
  Tyla essentials. Sabrina Carpenter's new album- Oh... which I also appreciated. It's good music, good pop music. Would I take my kids to the show at this age? Probably not. Oh.
• 51:40
  But I did appreciate when someone was like, "Why is your music so sexy?" She was like, "Don't come to the fucking show. No one's making you listen to my shit." '80s hits essentials, retrograde, bedtime beats.
• 51:51
  This is always the saddest one. Great, really chill music, and my kids will be like, "It's 3:00. Do we have to listen to bedtime beats?" [laughs] I'm like, "Daddy's very tired." I don't know.
• 51:59
  Best of Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong. Like, it's so random. Sometimes I'm like, do I listen to enough music 'cause of podcasts and audiobooks, which I also love? I don't know. It's okay. I'm fine with being...
• 52:09
  Again, like, I'm fine with not really knowing Kendrick Lamar's stuff. I remember, I might get into it.
• 52:13
  I remember, like, really liking that Weekend halftime show that he did, and I think that kinda got me into him, basically. But it's not my job to like everything.
• 52:21
  There is so much music, and, and I listen to so much pop culture gossip stuff that I find things through that. God, is it Madison Beer? No, Addison Rae.
• 52:29
  These, all these Addison, Madison, like, I, I got into a, a song through, through that. But I'm in a Beatles ensemble right now with the Old Town School of Folk Music, so we're doing Magical Mystery Tour.
• 52:40
  So I've been listening to that on repeat 'cause I have to sing and play along with that. And then I'm gonna go see a drag show, a drag Beyoncé show in March. Amazing. And I don't know...
• 52:51
  I, I just really know the superficial hits, and I didn't really get into the album.
• 52:55
  So I w- I had a friend and her kid made me a Beyoncé playlist so I can know and feel the songs when they come on, 'cause I wasn't that familiar with, like, stuff from her last several albums.
• 53:04
  So that's, like, my research. And that's nice to have an aside. And I do that...
• 53:07
  My parents used to do that for us, 'cause they used to take us to musicals a lot, Cats and Les Mis and things like that, and they would play us the soundtracks ahead of time so that we would recognize the music.
• 53:18
  And so we're gonna do that for the kid. We did that with Wicked, and so we're gonna listen to a lot of Franz Ferdinand before the, the concert so that they'll, like, be like, "I know this song."
• 53:26
  It's nice that they're not like, "Why is everybody cheering? W- who cares about this," right? And you're like, "This is the song when I was..." Yeah.
• 53:31
  When there's a song, and I'd appreciate when there's a medley or there's a jam, and so we'll see. I... Keeping my expectations low. It might be another leave after three songs kinda thing or take one kid home or...
• 53:42
  But it was funny, 'cause before I knew the kids were coming, I started having a completely different narrative in my head about what the night would be like and what I might take to go to the show and things like that, and now it's a family affair, and that's a totally different thing, and there'll be no losing myself Diet Coke.
• 53:57
  But maybe they can have a Diet Coke if they're good boys.
• 54:00
  But yeah, I remember, and this is, like, how old I am now, where we were at our friend's house outside Seattle a couple years ago, and they live near their version of Wolf Trap, like a big outdoor stadium, and there was music drifting over.
• 54:13
  We were sitting outside in their yard, drifting over, and it was this really distinctive voice, and it was Michael McDonald.
• 54:19
  And that was the kind of music where I fully took it for granted for my whole life, and I was, like, dorky and lame. I just watched this documentary about yacht rock that I maybe recommend.
• 54:28
  You won't be mad that you watched it. Into it. I'm-- It made me appreciate yacht rock a lot more, especially the blending of genres and...
• 54:35
  But they, someone said, like, "Michael McDonald has the kind of voice that you could hear it from three football fields over and recognize it."
• 54:41
  And I was like, "That's literally what happened to me, and it got me way back into it," and then the regulator. Love it. And so I love that kind of experience, where you're like, "Oh man, I forgot.
• 54:49
  I took it for so granted. It's so in the background of my life, and I didn't really recognize, like, how good it, it actually is, and let's get into it." And that's the thing.
• 54:56
  It's letting go of the, at least for yourself, like, the shame parts of it. There's that meme online, one of my buddies who's a Nike trainer. He's, like, one of the more beautiful human beings you've ever seen.
• 55:06
  He's, like, this 6'3" Black guy. He, he's finally getting older. He's cut like a Adonis. And he posted the meme of, like, mad guy in headphones, like, "This is my game face," and then the inside is, like, Fleetwood Mac.
• 55:17
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