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Friday 3pm hour 05/29/26 · Ron Verb

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Speaker 1: And good afternoon, NewsRadio 570 WKBN. You've got to love
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Speaker 1: these short weeks, right? As a result of the holiday
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Speaker 1: on Monday, it's 3-0-7 on a Friday afternoon, another gorgeous day.
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Speaker 1: in Tiffany Boulevard in Boardman, where we broadcast from 78
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Speaker 1: degrees as we sit here this afternoon. And the sun
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Speaker 1: The weekend is insights. Top secret number is always 330-729-9977. 330-729-9977.
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Speaker 2: 330-729-9977.
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Speaker 1: Some of the discussion yesterday, and I thought one of
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Speaker 1: the best calls, if you missed the program yesterday, I
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Speaker 1: really thought Alex's call that he made yesterday was really insightful.
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Speaker 3: I mean, as we talk about these.
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Speaker 1: Data centers and AI and this kind of stuff, and
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Speaker 1: there's always this stuff to be concerned about. Some people
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Speaker 1: might say fear-mongering, if you will. But technology is here.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've got to realize that you're not going
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Speaker 1: to stop technology. You're not going to stop progress. There
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Speaker 1: were many people that thought that when the Internet was
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Speaker 1: coming around. There's good and bad with the Internet. Like
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Speaker 1: I said yesterday, when you take a look when the
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Speaker 1: Internet first came, they said everything good about it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: when I grew up, we had encyclopedias. Can you imagine that?
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Speaker 1: I mean, we had to buy encyclopedias at home to
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Speaker 1: do your homework. That business, you don't need it anymore.
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Speaker 1: I mean, as a result of the Internet and Google...
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Speaker 1: does anybody buy encyclopedias now? But back then before the internet,
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Speaker 1: of course you had to. And you see how things
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Speaker 1: have changed and jobs have been lost and jobs have
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Speaker 1: been gained in areas.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like a cycle. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Some of these jobs, we go away, but new jobs
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Speaker 1: are created and When it comes to the Internet. So
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people concerned. OK, what's going to
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Speaker 1: happen here when AI comes around? I'm not buying into
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Speaker 1: this scenario. A lot of people are saying, oh, robots
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Speaker 1: are going to be doing your plumbing. Robots are going
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Speaker 1: to be hanging your drywall. All of this kind of nonsense.
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Speaker 1: I'm not buying into that fear, if you will. Human
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Speaker 1: beings are still going to be needed, and human beings
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Speaker 1: will be doing a lot of that work. Human beings
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Speaker 1: are going to be your electricians. Human beings are going
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Speaker 1: to be framing your house and doing a drywall and
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Speaker 1: building stuff. Sure, we're going to have more AI, more
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Speaker 1: robotics in the operating room. Think of the upside when
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Speaker 1: people are talking about data centers and when people are
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Speaker 1: talking about the downside of AI. I mean, the upside
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Speaker 1: of it is, think of the fact that it's, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it'll be so much you or me,
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Speaker 1: but certainly your adult children and grandchildren to come will
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Speaker 1: probably live a longer, healthier life as a result of AI. Quicker,
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Speaker 1: more accurate diagnostics, more accurate processes in the operating room.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of upsides to data centers
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Speaker 1: and AI.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully less misdiagnosis as a result of the AI input
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Speaker 1: on things. I mean, so there's positives and there's negatives.
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Speaker 1: Just like I said yesterday, when the Internet came around,
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Speaker 1: all the great stuff that the Internet brings you to
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Speaker 1: be able to buy stuff that you probably normally wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be able to get without traveling. But it also brought
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Speaker 1: all the bad stuff right into your home. So it
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Speaker 1: depended how you wanted to use the Internet. I mean,
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Speaker 1: are there people who use the Internet and get in
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Speaker 1: trouble because of child porn?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Or because of any number of things that are illegal
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Speaker 1: or simply just morally wrong, I suspect. There's plenty of
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Speaker 1: people who get in trouble that way. We see it
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Speaker 1: every day. We see it here.
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Speaker 3: How many times... You have to be a total idiot, these.
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Speaker 1: People that you see that are soliciting prostitution on the
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Speaker 1: Internet or soliciting... child's porn on the internet, I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: to myself, have you people ever been reading a newspaper
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Speaker 1: or following how this has been getting busted for years?
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Speaker 1: That that probably isn't some 15-year-old girl that's hot for
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Speaker 1: you on the end of the line, but some cop
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Speaker 1: sitting somewhere?
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Speaker 3: It probably isn't.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the thought of these idiots that fall for
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Speaker 1: this time and time and time again is bewildering to
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Speaker 1: me how stupid they are in the first place. Because
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Speaker 1: this has been going on for years. But that's the
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Speaker 1: dark side, the bad side of the internet. So like
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Speaker 1: I said, when the internet came around, all the good
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Speaker 1: that comes into your house is terrific and life-changing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: think how things have changed from ordering stuff on Amazon
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Speaker 1: delivered right to your doorstep without having to go to
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Speaker 1: the store. Doing research made so easy because of the internet.
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Speaker 1: Googling something. How much do we learn from YouTube by
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Speaker 1: watching a video of how to fix something? This is
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Speaker 1: all the good stuff that came as a result of
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Speaker 1: the internet, but as I said, there's all that bad stuff.
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Speaker 1: But it's up to you to use it properly and
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Speaker 1: to monitor it in your own home and with your
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Speaker 1: own children. There's a responsibility, just as buying a firearm
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Speaker 1: is a responsibility that you have as a parent to
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Speaker 1: make sure that's secured so your children don't get a
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Speaker 1: hold of it, including your teenagers. So there's always got
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Speaker 1: to be a responsibility. So don't you think that the
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Speaker 1: good side of AI will be there to potentially, and
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Speaker 1: I'm just putting this out there, make us.
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Speaker 3: All more productive? That we all become more productive people?
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Speaker 1: The medical aspects of it, the auditing aspects of it
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Speaker 1: to stop fraud and this kind of stuff.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of good sides to it.
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Speaker 3: And yes, will it replace some jobs? Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Just as robotics did when we had 7,000 people at
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Speaker 1: Lordstown and then we got down to 2,000 people because
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Speaker 1: of robotics. And is that a possibility that we'll see
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Speaker 1: in other jobs in the workforce?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: But does that mean it's there won't be other opportunities
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Speaker 1: that will be out there and created as well that
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Speaker 1: we don't even know about yet. So I always like
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Speaker 1: to think tomorrow is always better than today. And AI
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Speaker 1: is here. And the people that's, I'm thinking how foolish
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Speaker 1: a lot of these communities and people will look 10
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Speaker 1: or 20 years from now. So let me get this straight.
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Speaker 1: You were trying to fight a data center coming to town?
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Speaker 1: The technology coming to town? The things that we all
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Speaker 1: are using that your children and your adult children and
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Speaker 1: you yourself will be using? So you were against it.
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Speaker 1: You were trying to fight it. But yet you use it.
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Speaker 1: It's really bizarre. I mean, it's really bizarre. So to
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Speaker 1: a certain extent, that's why I say I embrace it.
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Speaker 1: I embrace the technology. I think we should embrace it
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Speaker 1: in our community. We shouldn't have all these moratoriums or
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Speaker 1: bans on it. I think you should embrace it and
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Speaker 1: welcome it to the community. Yes, it's not going to
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Speaker 1: be like a factory having 2,000 jobs, but a lot
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Speaker 1: of those jobs, remember it was 7,000. Technology changed it tremendously,
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Speaker 1: and technology is going to change it even more.
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Speaker 3: You're not going to stop it or fight it, but
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Speaker 3: if it's somewhat... a clean factory that's just going to
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Speaker 3: pollute your community.
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Speaker 1: Well, isn't that something worthwhile in this idea? Well, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't create a bunch of jobs. Well, there's going to
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Speaker 1: be a bunch of jobs as far as people that
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Speaker 1: are going to have to maintain this facility, service the cooling,
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Speaker 1: which is vitally important in all the services that are
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Speaker 1: needed from these facilities, in addition to a handful of employees.
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Speaker 1: just something to think about as we go along. I
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Speaker 1: just asked you to ponder all of that. All right.
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Speaker 1: Because I just sit back and say, yes, I actually
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Speaker 1: read the newspaper and I see all these areas that
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Speaker 1: seem to be upset or bothered about data centers. And
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Speaker 1: I just shake my head and I'm saying, they're going
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Speaker 1: to go somewhere else. And yeah, What the state is
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Speaker 1: doing is going in the right direction by saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: you're not going to get a break on sales tax.
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Speaker 1: You never should have got it in the first place.
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Speaker 1: There shouldn't be any breaks on property taxes. And then
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Speaker 1: we say, as Dave Thomas says, you've got to provide
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Speaker 1: your own power because we can't put you on the
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Speaker 1: grid because we just can't.
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Speaker 3: On the grid.
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Speaker 1: You have to come up with your own process of
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Speaker 1: creating your own power, and the excess power goes back
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Speaker 1: to the grid. Just some thoughts for you to think about.
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Speaker 1: I mean, regulated properly, and I think Dave Thomas and
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Speaker 1: the state is going in that direction. Let's fix the mistakes,
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Speaker 1: as DeWine, and I can't wait for him to leave,
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Speaker 1: pause that ridiculousness of waiving a sales tax. We shouldn't
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Speaker 1: have any, once again, property tax abatements. for AI centers,
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Speaker 1: but let's stop the moratoriums and the banning and the
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Speaker 1: fear mongering of it when I'm here to say each
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Speaker 1: and every one of you will be using it and
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Speaker 1: in many cases will benefit from it certainly medically and
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Speaker 1: you'll say wow that's amazing Just like the robotics that
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Speaker 1: you see today. We don't have to cut you open
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Speaker 1: and take your gallbladder out anymore. We make these incisions
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Speaker 1: and it's not a major operation like it used to be.
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Speaker 1: And we're starting to see that more and more when
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Speaker 1: it comes to stents and bypass operations. What will the
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Speaker 1: future bring with this technology that can make it even
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Speaker 1: less invasive and less discomfort?
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Speaker 3: We shall see.
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Speaker 2: 330-729-9977.
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Speaker 4: 330-729-9977.
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Speaker 3: You're on the air. Hello. Hey there. How you doing?
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Speaker 3: This is Pete.
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Speaker 2: Again. I got two things I'd like to talk about,
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Speaker 2: if I may.
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Speaker 3: Let me think for a minute. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you're thinking, or it's okay, I can talk?
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't like to think too hard
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Speaker 1: on a Friday, you understand. So, no, you go ahead
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Speaker 1: and talk.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. But anyhow, this data thing, how many,
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Speaker 2: you were talking about that encyclopedia thing that every five
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Speaker 2: years you had to buy a new set because there
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Speaker 2: was more information. My thinking is how many of those,
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Speaker 2: all those data centers is just like the tower in
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Speaker 2: your computer. They store your information. And these things are huge.
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Speaker 2: How many of these things do we need to store
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Speaker 2: all this information in? That's the kind of thing that's
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Speaker 2: kind of, because I know it's coming. I'm against it
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Speaker 2: because of security reasons. That's my thing, just plain security.
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Speaker 2: But how many of these do we really need when
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Speaker 2: you can go to Google now and Google up almost
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Speaker 2: anything you want? I mean, you see which way I'm
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Speaker 2: going with it? Because we talked about it yesterday. But anyhow,
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Speaker 2: my second topic is, how much more is this Iran
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Speaker 2: war going to cost us? Why did he have to
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Speaker 2: go and break the contract that Obama made with him
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Speaker 2: when it was Iran's money? Because Iran took us to
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Speaker 2: a national court and they said, well, we can't because
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Speaker 2: we locked up their funds for what they were doing
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Speaker 2: over there in the Middle East and up throughout the world. So, okay,
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Speaker 2: we'll give you so much money, and you give us
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Speaker 2: the enriched uranium and stuff. And that's how we were
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Speaker 2: giving them their money back. We just didn't give them
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Speaker 2: back the money. It was their money in the beginning.
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Speaker 2: But their complaint was, if we have a catastrophe, we
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Speaker 2: won't have the money to help our people. So Obama
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Speaker 2: thought about it and said, okay, we'll give you so
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Speaker 2: much money, you give us the enriched uranium. But so far...
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Speaker 2: And now the Pentagon is asking for billions of dollars
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Speaker 2: because they didn't think they were going to be in
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Speaker 2: this thing that long to make up for parts, maintenance,
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Speaker 2: and new equipment that was blown up because they never
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Speaker 2: counted on them shooting at our installations over in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East. So, I mean, you figure four airplanes, how
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Speaker 2: many of them guys have been hurt or are going
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Speaker 2: to be hurt for the rest of their lives? I
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Speaker 2: can't see this. It's going to cost the United States
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Speaker 2: more money to get out of this Iran war than
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Speaker 2: if he had just left it alone. All right.
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Speaker 3: And there are many people that would agree with you
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Speaker 3: that he should have never got involved in it from
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Speaker 3: the very beginning.
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Speaker 2: But they made the lie like it was our money.
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Speaker 2: When it was never our money, it was their money
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Speaker 2: we gave them back a little bit at a time.
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Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: And I just, he just thought he could bully his
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Speaker 2: way through it. He doesn't, there is, there is, when
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Speaker 2: they say, oh, we were talking about this, we got
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Speaker 2: things laid out. Yeah, and guess what it's going to do?
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Speaker 2: It's going to cost the United States more money than
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Speaker 2: if we'd have left the whole situation alone. Because they're
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Speaker 2: going to say, well, Israel's got nuclear, so we need
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Speaker 2: nuclear to protect us from Israel.
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Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: And it's just, it makes no sense at all for
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Speaker 2: what he did. And, well, maybe I can go to
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Speaker 2: another third topic. I was watching on Fox News where
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Speaker 2: all these guys were, because I listen to a lot
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Speaker 2: of different news channels, BBC, Fox, and CNN, and they're
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Speaker 2: all in there having a big old hoopty-doo talk with
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Speaker 2: all his little group in there. I have never seen
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Speaker 2: such a nauseating group who all they did was kiss
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Speaker 2: his butt. If it wasn't for you, if it wasn't
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Speaker 2: for you, if it wasn't for you, if it wasn't
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Speaker 2: for you. That's what that's all about. He's over there smiling,
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Speaker 2: carrying on, like, you know, I'm really doing something here.
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Speaker 2: He don't want the people to know that he either
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Speaker 2: doesn't understand what he's doing, that sort of thing.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate your input. I found your conversation interesting. We'll
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Speaker 3: be right back. I must confess that the guy that
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Speaker 3: just called, I do agree with him on one thing.
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Speaker 3: I do agree with his observation.
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Speaker 1: Whenever I watch his cabinet meetings, and I love the
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Speaker 1: transparency that I can actually sit there and watch him happen.
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Speaker 1: But I do agree with the last caller, and he
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Speaker 1: made a great observation, whether you like it or not.
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Speaker 3: He's right. When you watch it, it's like Trump is
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Speaker 3: sitting there, and every one of these people are just
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Speaker 3: kissing his ass. It does get a little nauseating.
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Speaker 1: When you do watch them, if it wasn't for you,
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Speaker 1: you're the greatest, you know, and how they kind of
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Speaker 1: do this kind of stuff. And, uh, you do kind
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Speaker 1: of shake your head at times because sometimes you need
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Speaker 1: people who do disagree with you. And so who might,
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Speaker 1: you might be thinking something and maybe it's not right.
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Speaker 1: And they are thinking something differently and, and offer their arguments.
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Speaker 1: But it seems like I understand the point the guy
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Speaker 1: was trying to make. Let me just put it that way.
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Speaker 1: You're on the air. Hello.
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Speaker 2: Uh..
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Speaker 7: You know i uh... this is read from butler uh..
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Speaker 5: You know i've always thought this uh..
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Speaker 7: Environmental i can.
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Speaker 3: Hear me okay i got a copy of your work.
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Speaker 7: You can't uh... i've always thought that the environmental movement
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Speaker 7: was uh... you know kind of all about uh... read
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Speaker 7: on the outside read on the insider or no it's
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Speaker 7: a great on the outside read on the inside you
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Speaker 7: know leftist uh... sort of a tactic uh..
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Speaker 5: You know with the data centers and that topic the
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Speaker 5: fact that.
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Speaker 7: They're putting many, many, many gigawatts.
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Speaker 5: Of hyperscale data centers all.
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Speaker 7: Over the world right now, and the tech industry is
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Speaker 7: obviously promoting it, I think we've got a clearer picture
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Speaker 7: that the whole climate crisis movement basically is nullified. In
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Speaker 7: my mind, completely nullified.
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Speaker 2: It..
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Speaker 3: Well, now, this is an excellent observation.
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Speaker 1: In other words, these guys were all about the climate
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Speaker 1: and what have you until it became their business needing
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Speaker 1: more power. And all that went out the door. You're
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Speaker 1: saying this is an opinion. This is an observation, correct?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: If you Google or do AI on the data centers,
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Speaker 7: they're clearly talking about even using coal. We've got gas emissions.
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Speaker 7: peak plants being used. This is a fossil fuel consuming
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Speaker 7: industry and it's exponentially growing and no one's saying, well,
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Speaker 7: very few people are saying much about the whole climate
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Speaker 7: crisis because.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't fit.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't fit at all. So I think the people,
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Speaker 5: you know.
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Speaker 7: And my opinion has always been, you know, green on
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Speaker 7: the outside, red on the inside. I have real problems
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Speaker 7: with leftists and anything that that they've used to get
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Speaker 7: a foothold of powers, you know, I'm against. So, you know,
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Speaker 7: just wanted to check you don't hear too much about
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Speaker 7: what the data center said.
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Speaker 3: No, you're making a fair observation on the whole thing.
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Speaker 3: I'm with you 100% on what you're saying, how ridiculous
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Speaker 3: this is. from these guys, basically.
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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, when it became their business or
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Speaker 1: their industry, the whole green energy thing went out the
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Speaker 1: window and they started embracing nuclear and coal and everything
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Speaker 1: else because they need the power, right?
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Speaker 3: That's what you're saying.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 5: Right, and the wind turbines, the solar..
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Speaker 3: Oh, standby. Just standby for a minute. Standby. I'll come
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Speaker 3: right back to you. More of your calls straight ahead
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Speaker 3: on a gorgeous Friday. Stay tuned. News Radio 570 WKVN.
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Speaker 3: Let me find that guy. Let me see. Was I
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Speaker 3: talking to you before the break?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Okay.
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Speaker 3: But you're saying there are a bunch of frauds, basically, right?
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I would take up a huge..
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Speaker 7: Huge amount of area of land, right? And they're not recyclable.
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Speaker 7: You know, the wind turbines, it's fiberglass, heavily reinforced fiberglass, mechanical,
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Speaker 7: electronic materials.
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Speaker 5: Almost none of it's recyclable.
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Speaker 7: They bury the blades. They grind them up, create a
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Speaker 7: bunch of fiberglass shards, and then they bury them on
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Speaker 7: the sly.
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Speaker 5: I know that for a fact. I've seen pictures of it.
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Speaker 2: You know, the.
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Speaker 5: Some sort of a scam. It would be interesting to
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Speaker 5: know who made the money, who is making the money.
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Speaker 7: I know Solyndra was a big thing with the Obama
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Speaker 7: administration and You know, that turned out to be a scam.
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Speaker 5: You know, it's like the old thing where there's smoke,
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Speaker 5: there's fire, right?
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Speaker 1: Well, they're stealing all this money, right? Politically connected people
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Speaker 1: stealing all this money. But the point that you were
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Speaker 1: making was these people that were opposed to fossil fuels,
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden were saying, well, we can't cut
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Speaker 1: it with windmills or solar panels. We need coal and
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Speaker 1: nuclear to run these data centers. They did a 180
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Speaker 1: on their environmental views for their businesses, correct?
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Speaker 3: Correct.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 5: Exactly my point. I mean, it wasn't too long ago
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Speaker 5: I was thinking like.
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Speaker 7: Well, I might have to get rid of my gas range.
20:37
Speaker 7: I have a nice Wolf gas range. I love to
20:39
Speaker 7: cook with gas.
20:41
Speaker 5: They were saying that, you know, which administration?
20:44
Speaker 7: It was either Biden or Obama. No more gas ranges. Well,
20:48
Speaker 7: I mean, I'll tell you what the hell was that.
20:50
Speaker 7: If they're going to build data centers coast to coast
20:54
Speaker 7: using like more power than major cities, then... It's pretty
21:00
Speaker 7: rich telling me I can't have a gas range, right?
21:03
Speaker 2: Right.
21:03
Speaker 1: They wanted you to go to electric. And anymore, the
21:05
Speaker 1: grid couldn't support your electric range. I got what you're saying.
21:10
Speaker 3: And you got a couple of bucks if you got
21:12
Speaker 3: the Wolf stove because that's an expensive one.
21:15
Speaker 5: I highly recommend it.
21:17
Speaker 7: Hey, one point on the debt. I did a little research.
21:20
Speaker 7: One point on the debt to show people no. If
21:23
Speaker 7: you liquidated everything the U.S. government owns, that'd be parks, bases, ships, aircraft, land,
21:33
Speaker 7: it would be about 23, a little over $ 20 trillion.
21:37
Speaker 7: So it wouldn't even cover half the debt that these
21:41
Speaker 7: people have run up over the last 60 years.
21:45
Speaker 5: And, you know, so..
21:47
Speaker 3: That's hard for me to imagine it would only be
21:50
Speaker 3: that amount of money, because last time I checked, really
21:52
Speaker 3: the government owned about 70% of the western states to
21:55
Speaker 3: land out in that arena.
21:58
Speaker 7: In all fairness, the land is arguable. There wouldn't be
22:01
Speaker 7: a market for it, right? So, I mean, if you
22:05
Speaker 7: discounted the land, it's at least $ 20 trillion. That's half
22:08
Speaker 7: the debt. So in other words, the government is more
22:11
Speaker 7: than bankrupt.
22:12
Speaker 5: It's way, way past bankrupt.
22:14
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
22:15
Speaker 1: It just isn't right that we're spending money today that
22:19
Speaker 1: we don't have to saddle future generations with this debt.
22:24
Speaker 1: It morally is wrong, and it's just... I look at
22:32
Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats. I don't think any of them give
22:34
Speaker 1: a damn what that number is and what the effects
22:38
Speaker 1: of it are. But when half of your tax dollars
22:41
Speaker 1: coming in are going just to pay the interest on
22:43
Speaker 1: the debt, that's troubling to me because that's a waste
22:46
Speaker 1: of a lot of your tax dollars. And it will
22:48
Speaker 1: soon be your number one expense. You must stop this insanity.
22:52
Speaker 1: But there's no sign of it happening anytime soon. It's
22:55
Speaker 1: just getting bigger and bigger. with this war going on
22:59
Speaker 1: and everything else. Yeah, appreciate your insight, man.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead.
23:02
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you.
23:03
Speaker 3: Thanks.
23:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, one thing, it basically comes back to the Asian model.
23:07
Speaker 7: If you take a look at Peter Zaihan, who's a
23:10
Speaker 7: geopolitical expert. He's written a couple of books on the subject.
23:14
Speaker 7: The Chinese and East Asian financial model is they don't
23:19
Speaker 7: care about debt. They don't really consider debt. It's not
23:22
Speaker 7: part of their culture. So they've accumulated a lot of debt,
23:25
Speaker 7: but they don't care about it, right? Because it's just,
23:28
Speaker 7: you know, in Japan for years, every so often they
23:32
Speaker 7: just forgave everybody's debt.
23:35
Speaker 5: You know, they just let it go. And Chinese have
23:40
Speaker 5: run up a huge debt based on just growth. If
23:43
Speaker 5: that growth doesn't occur..
23:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can't forgive debt because there's a person
23:47
Speaker 3: on the other side of it that you owe the
23:48
Speaker 3: money to.
23:50
Speaker 1: When you take a loan out from your house, there's somebody,
23:53
Speaker 1: there's the bank and the people with the money in
23:56
Speaker 1: the bank that have let you the money to buy
23:58
Speaker 1: the house. If you forgive it, somebody gets screwed. It
24:01
Speaker 1: never fails. Just like when they say, well, we want
24:03
Speaker 1: to forgive student debt. Well, that's all well and good.
24:06
Speaker 1: But the people that lent the money end up eating it.
24:11
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. If you borrow it, you owe it.
24:14
Speaker 7: It works in a communist society.
24:15
Speaker 3: It works. Well, we don't want to go there.
24:18
Speaker 7: The government controls everything.
24:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for your call. You're on the air.
24:22
Speaker 2: Ron? Yes?
24:25
Speaker 6: How are you?
24:28
Speaker 3: It's the boss lady. It is exactly that. All right,
24:32
Speaker 3: boss lady, what's on your..
24:33
Speaker 6: It is gorgeous, pal.
24:35
Speaker 5: It is.
24:35
Speaker 6: Alex had a great call yesterday.
24:36
Speaker 3: I agree.
24:37
Speaker 6: He's great. And I agree with a lot of what
24:40
Speaker 6: he said, making a lot of good points. I think
24:42
Speaker 6: Rich made a lot of good... Your last caller made a.
24:45
Speaker 5: Lot of good points about the data centers.
24:47
Speaker 6: And I think when you wrap those all up, including
24:51
Speaker 6: what you added today, right, some of the Are we
24:54
Speaker 6: going to have robots? We absolutely are. What's the timeline?
24:57
Speaker 6: Is it going to replace all the jobs?
24:58
Speaker 8: I don't know.
24:59
Speaker 6: It sounds pretty crazy and far-fetched. None of us know, right?
25:04
Speaker 6: But my position, I think, is pretty simple.
25:06
Speaker 5: If the state wants to welcome data centers.
25:09
Speaker 6: There needs to be a clear deal with the taxpayer.
25:12
Speaker 6: It should be very transparent. We really need, you know,
25:16
Speaker 6: they should be proving that the investment that we're going
25:19
Speaker 6: to make is not going to raise the cost for
25:24
Speaker 6: local residents through utility, infrastructure expenses, or taxes, right? It's
25:31
Speaker 6: going to be that they can mitigate and there won't
25:35
Speaker 6: be environmental impacts and that we're not going to be
25:39
Speaker 6: left sitting here with a depleted water supply and strained
25:43
Speaker 6: power grid and other consequences that I don't even know
25:46
Speaker 6: what they could be, but I feel like we're moving
25:48
Speaker 6: so fast. Does anybody really know? And third and most importantly,
25:53
Speaker 6: it is a, if we're going to become the hub
25:58
Speaker 6: and for AI infrastructure in the U S and we
26:02
Speaker 6: want to get there fast, then the state government should
26:06
Speaker 6: be leading by example. And taxpayers, all of us, should
26:10
Speaker 6: be seeing a return on this investment through lower government costs,
26:14
Speaker 6: faster services, greater accountability, and we should be seeing a
26:18
Speaker 6: cost reduction.
26:20
Speaker 2: All right.
26:20
Speaker 3: Now, let me ask you this.
26:21
Speaker 1: So as you're going along, would you and I be
26:23
Speaker 1: in agreement that, for example, like when they're talking about
26:27
Speaker 1: a data center being out in two-thirds in Lordstown, one-third
26:31
Speaker 1: in North Jackson, when that discussion was taking place? I said, okay,
26:36
Speaker 1: if you build it, and that was out by the freeway,
26:38
Speaker 1: which is a good location for it.
26:42
Speaker 3: Let's embrace it.
26:43
Speaker 1: Let's not fight it because it will, I'm just asking you,
26:47
Speaker 1: you know how property taxes work.
26:49
Speaker 3: They're fixed levels on the... outside millage.
26:53
Speaker 1: So if you put a data center there and they're
26:56
Speaker 1: huge and you put property taxes on it, which would
26:59
Speaker 1: be substantial, I think you and I would agree on that,
27:02
Speaker 1: that will lower the cost of those fixed levies on
27:06
Speaker 1: the property taxes of people in North Jackson or Lordstown.
27:09
Speaker 1: Their property taxes will come down because now you have
27:11
Speaker 1: this big facility that will be paying property taxes and
27:15
Speaker 1: picking up the difference between You understand what I'm saying?
27:19
Speaker 6: Yeah, as you're saying it, right, but this is all, like,
27:22
Speaker 6: new news, right? Like, they were trying to make these
27:25
Speaker 6: deals where they were giving them all these large abatements
27:27
Speaker 6: and everything else. As you stated today, I can agree
27:30
Speaker 6: with you, right? If they were making, you know, step one,
27:33
Speaker 6: you're not going to get..
27:34
Speaker 3: There's zero abatements on any. Exactly. I don't want a
27:39
Speaker 3: sales tax or anything.
27:41
Speaker 1: Listen, DeWine wouldn't have reversed himself if it didn't get
27:45
Speaker 1: the publicity it was getting. DeWine only reversed himself because
27:49
Speaker 1: the word got out that he screwed us out at
27:51
Speaker 1: $ 2 billion, and it doesn't make a lick of sense
27:54
Speaker 1: you're giving a sales tax break to Facebook or Meta
27:58
Speaker 1: or Google.
27:58
Speaker 3: These are some of the richest companies around.
28:00
Speaker 6: It doesn't make a lick of sense.
28:01
Speaker 2: Right.
28:02
Speaker 6: And so that's the good part, right? And that's why
28:04
Speaker 6: I think what you just said earlier, too, also makes
28:07
Speaker 6: a lot of sense. When you said that Trump and
28:10
Speaker 6: they sit in those meetings and everybody's like a bobblehead,
28:13
Speaker 6: it makes me nauseous, too. I'm like, oh, my God.
28:15
Speaker 6: First of all, he should be praising Marco Rubio up
28:19
Speaker 6: and down and around the other side because he's the
28:22
Speaker 6: best ever.
28:24
Speaker 3: Well, let me put this forward.
28:26
Speaker 6: It's okay to disagree, but you.
28:29
Speaker 3: Can't with him. Right.
28:31
Speaker 1: See, that caller, once again, he made an excellent point
28:34
Speaker 1: when he said, and even though I support Trump, I
28:37
Speaker 1: agree with his point to say when I watch these
28:39
Speaker 1: cabinet meetings, oh, Mr. President, you're so wonderful. And it's
28:42
Speaker 1: one official after the other, just a constant ass-kissing.
28:46
Speaker 3: And it is nauseating.
28:48
Speaker 1: And it was John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy that when
28:51
Speaker 1: they had their meetings, they didn't want everybody to agree
28:54
Speaker 1: with them. If you look at the Kennedy way, Kennedy's
28:56
Speaker 1: were smart. They said, well, you have to understand your
28:59
Speaker 1: enemy to understand why they're doing what they're doing. You
29:02
Speaker 1: have to think from their perspective, not your perspective. I mean,
29:06
Speaker 1: it's a great strategy.
29:07
Speaker 6: Every successful leader in the private sector wants their employees
29:11
Speaker 6: to give it to them straight. They don't want it sugar-coated.
29:14
Speaker 6: I want to know if I'm about to take the
29:16
Speaker 6: train off the track. And if I'm hiring you and
29:19
Speaker 6: I'm paying you a salary, I expect you to tell
29:22
Speaker 6: me that. I expect you to say, I don't agree, boss.
29:25
Speaker 6: Here's what my opinion is. And a great leader is
29:28
Speaker 6: going to listen.
29:28
Speaker 2: Right.
29:29
Speaker 3: They're going to..
29:30
Speaker 6: And they analyze, and they may not go with the
29:33
Speaker 6: suggestion from the employee, but it's always going to make
29:36
Speaker 6: you think a different way, and it's always good. And
29:39
Speaker 6: if you can't handle that... it's very frustrating. It's what
29:42
Speaker 6: you said. It's not it.
29:44
Speaker 1: Well, you usually have, if you go back to the
29:47
Speaker 1: Cuban Missile Crisis, if you actually study that history where
29:50
Speaker 1: they say all the military people were saying, gun hole,
29:53
Speaker 1: let's go get them, and all this kind of stuff,
29:55
Speaker 1: if Kennedy would have listened to them, You could see
29:59
Speaker 1: where this would have headed as opposed to he listened
30:03
Speaker 1: to their input and then ultimately they thought this decision
30:07
Speaker 1: through so it didn't escalate into something much more severe.
30:11
Speaker 3: And I don't get that impression with Trump. I almost
30:15
Speaker 3: like the guy was saying, no, but.
30:16
Speaker 6: We knew what we were getting. Like we knew that
30:19
Speaker 6: he didn't pain. He didn't pain. I mean, he is
30:22
Speaker 6: very much you're on my team or you're not on
30:23
Speaker 6: my team. And if you're on my team, then you
30:26
Speaker 6: agree with what, how I want to do things the way,
30:29
Speaker 6: you know, when I want to do them, et cetera. I,
30:31
Speaker 6: As frustrating as it is, you get the good and
30:35
Speaker 6: you get the bad with that. But he hasn't cleaned.
30:37
Speaker 3: Right. And in general, I mean, he's done a decent
30:40
Speaker 3: job as president. Absolutely.
30:43
Speaker 1: And like I say, I'm not in favor of what's
30:46
Speaker 1: going on as far as Iran is concerned. But I
30:49
Speaker 1: hope when the dust settles, he proves himself right again
30:54
Speaker 1: and we're better off as a result of it. As
30:58
Speaker 1: opposed to the other. I would rather he be right
31:00
Speaker 1: and I be wrong than I be right and he
31:02
Speaker 1: be wrong.
31:03
Speaker 3: Right. Me too. Because if I'm right, then we're going to–
31:07
Speaker 3: this is just going to drag on. I mean, when
31:09
Speaker 3: they're talking a 60-day ceasefire, I mean, that's two months.
31:13
Speaker 3: It's stupid.
31:14
Speaker 6: First of all, you can't even negotiate with those people
31:16
Speaker 6: because they have never once, not one time, have they
31:20
Speaker 6: abided by any of the negotiations, never once. I just
31:23
Speaker 6: find it insane. But listen, I'm not sitting in that room,
31:26
Speaker 6: in the war room or whatever room they're in, and
31:29
Speaker 6: I'm not privy to all the information. I'm sure he's
31:31
Speaker 6: navigating very tough and delicate waters, and he's doing the
31:35
Speaker 6: best decision, I believe, in the interest of the American people.
31:39
Speaker 6: We'll see in the end if I'm right or wrong
31:41
Speaker 6: on that too. But wouldn't you agree, Ron? That the
31:44
Speaker 6: state should be streamlining, right? Because we talk about property tax.
31:48
Speaker 6: We talk about the impact to the taxpayer.
31:52
Speaker 2: They should be.
31:53
Speaker 6: On the forefront of utilizing all this AI technology, right?
31:57
Speaker 6: Those are the three bargains or the framework that I
32:03
Speaker 6: would want. Doesn't involve the environment. It doesn't hurt the environment.
32:07
Speaker 6: We're not going to be caught without water and electricity.
32:10
Speaker 6: The fact that they're not going to give them all
32:11
Speaker 6: these abatements and everything else and pass it on to
32:14
Speaker 6: the taxpayer. And that they themselves are using this technology
32:19
Speaker 6: to cut spending. And that should be an expectation from everybody,
32:25
Speaker 6: don't you think?
32:26
Speaker 1: Yes, I would say this to you. They should be
32:30
Speaker 1: using the AI technology to stop the fraud. If we
32:33
Speaker 1: did that alone, what we're seeing with Medicare and Medicaid,
32:38
Speaker 1: just to go after that fraud, think of just that alone.
32:41
Speaker 3: Think of all the money we would save. Just that alone.
32:44
Speaker 6: But we're operating like Neanderthals right now. You realize we're operating.
32:49
Speaker 6: We have paper. We're putting paper around offices. It's insane.
32:54
Speaker 6: It's much of what Elon Musk did, right, when he said,
32:57
Speaker 6: what do you think he used? I'm sure positive Elon
33:01
Speaker 6: was using AI technology to identify areas of opportunity, redundancy,
33:07
Speaker 6: duplicity within each of these departments. There is so much
33:11
Speaker 6: waste there in the fraud, absolutely, 1,000%. But there is
33:16
Speaker 6: so much waste and duplicity, and you don't need all
33:19
Speaker 6: these roles. Give us back our money. And that's what
33:23
Speaker 6: I want to see a legislator do, start focusing on
33:25
Speaker 6: AI utilization at the state level.
33:28
Speaker 1: Well, don't you think, though, that when this is all
33:30
Speaker 1: going on, shouldn't there be somebody that's going out to–
33:35
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to people being on a payroll that
33:37
Speaker 1: are going to say, hey, we're going to go check
33:38
Speaker 1: on a boss lady who's getting a check because supposedly
33:42
Speaker 1: she's taking care of her mother or father so that
33:46
Speaker 1: they can stay at home. And we're going to pop
33:48
Speaker 1: in to make sure that they're getting good care and
33:50
Speaker 1: that this is happening. And then when I'm done with that,
33:52
Speaker 1: I'm going to go down and I'm going to check
33:54
Speaker 1: on this one almost in groups just to see– that
33:57
Speaker 1: the person's still alive, that this isn't fraud and phony.
34:01
Speaker 3: And then I'm going to go over here.
34:02
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're going to need feet on the street, but
34:04
Speaker 6: you're not going to need as many feet on the
34:06
Speaker 6: street as you have today. You're still going, AI is
34:08
Speaker 6: going to identify anomalies. It's going to say, this is
34:12
Speaker 6: out of the norm, right? This person has been getting
34:15
Speaker 6: this much money for this amount of time. Their mother's
34:17
Speaker 6: age is this.
34:18
Speaker 3: It's going to..
34:19
Speaker 6: You can program it to catch all of the added norms,
34:22
Speaker 6: the extremes, right? So then once you have the extremes,
34:25
Speaker 6: you may need a couple people on the ground to
34:27
Speaker 6: go and actually do follow-up visits and not be blind.
34:30
Speaker 6: But you're not going to need these massive departments that
34:35
Speaker 6: we have today. If you're going to say that about
34:37
Speaker 6: the private sector, it's even more true in the public
34:42
Speaker 6: sector because it's our money.
34:44
Speaker 1: In other words, you'll have less people because AI will
34:48
Speaker 1: be able to do some of these jobs.
34:49
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that, but that doesn't mean... Don't
34:53
Speaker 3: you demand it?
34:53
Speaker 6: Shouldn't we demand it? Not even just disagree.
34:57
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we should demand it. But in addition to that,
35:00
Speaker 1: I'm also going to demand that other jobs be created.
35:03
Speaker 1: to physically go see these leering centers and physically go
35:07
Speaker 1: see the hospice.
35:09
Speaker 6: It couldn't be a push. It couldn't be a push.
35:11
Speaker 6: The idea here is to give back taxpayer dollars, not
35:14
Speaker 6: to continue to create new ways to spend the money.
35:16
Speaker 6: As long as we're being effective and you first have
35:19
Speaker 6: to see, are we being effective? Are we texting it?
35:22
Speaker 6: Like we know that there's X amount of billions of
35:24
Speaker 6: fraud out there. They just, whatever they're like, who's doing
35:27
Speaker 6: anything about it? Like, I don't want a one for one.
35:30
Speaker 5: Like that doesn't make any sense.
35:34
Speaker 6: How do we ever expect to get any of our
35:36
Speaker 6: money back or to stop getting..
35:38
Speaker 1: Well, let me lay this on you. Government has a role.
35:44
Speaker 1: There is a difference between government and business. I think
35:47
Speaker 1: you would agree. I mean, government isn't a business. I mean,
35:50
Speaker 1: when you call a fire department, there's no money to
35:53
Speaker 1: be made by the fire department. It's there to serve
35:56
Speaker 1: you as a government entity to put out your house.
35:59
Speaker 1: When you call the police... there's not a service that's...
36:03
Speaker 1: Stand by, boss lady. Just stand by, and I'll pick
36:05
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36:18
Speaker 1: All right, so let me go back here with the
36:20
Speaker 1: boss lady. I mean, when we talk a lot about
36:21
Speaker 1: government and business, there is a difference, though, and you've
36:26
Speaker 1: been in the private sector all your life, between government
36:28
Speaker 1: and business. That's the point I was trying to make.
36:30
Speaker 1: We're not making a product in governments to sell and
36:34
Speaker 1: make a profit.
36:35
Speaker 3: A lot of government is.
36:37
Speaker 1: Services that are out there to prevent chaos from being
36:40
Speaker 1: in our society. we're not making money as far as
36:43
Speaker 1: the police are concerned. They're there to maintain order or
36:46
Speaker 1: the fire department or the road departments to plow the
36:50
Speaker 1: streets so you can get to work. So there is
36:52
Speaker 1: a difference between the private sector and governments.
36:55
Speaker 6: But we're not talking about those roles, right? We're talking
37:00
Speaker 6: about paper pushing, data entry positions, forms, applications, summarizing reports,
37:09
Speaker 6: meeting notes.
37:10
Speaker 3: You're saying we can eliminate a lot of jobs with
37:12
Speaker 3: AI in the private sector, as we've seen, and they
37:16
Speaker 3: should also be doing that in the government sector.
37:19
Speaker 1: And all I'm saying is, I agree with that. However,
37:22
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you don't have... We should also create
37:26
Speaker 1: jobs to physically go see who's getting this money so
37:31
Speaker 1: that this fraud doesn't continue on that end.
37:34
Speaker 6: And I'm saying we're going to cut enough to do–
37:38
Speaker 6: we should be able to cut enough to be able
37:41
Speaker 6: to add some– but you don't want to do a one-for-one.
37:47
Speaker 3: I'm not saying a one-for-one, but I want to stop
37:49
Speaker 3: the fraud.
37:50
Speaker 6: Absolutely. A thousand percent. We need to. And we need to..
37:55
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't see much of a difference between
37:56
Speaker 1: Tampon Tim and DeWine, do you?
37:59
Speaker 3: I mean, to me, it's like..
38:00
Speaker 8: No, not at all.
38:01
Speaker 6: I mean, he's a complete weak. And he does nothing
38:03
Speaker 6: until people start screaming and acting crazy. Like, once you
38:07
Speaker 6: hear there's an uproar, then he might move a little bit.
38:10
Speaker 6: And he's a little bit at a time. He probably..
38:13
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
38:14
Speaker 2: But..
38:16
Speaker 6: We need more pressure on them to figure out more
38:19
Speaker 6: efficient ways. Now, if that means they want to add
38:22
Speaker 6: a couple jobs here and there to help substantiate and
38:27
Speaker 6: to drive these initiatives, that's fine. But there will be
38:31
Speaker 6: way more reduction than there would be added jobs. Their
38:34
Speaker 6: role is to do it, do it well, do it efficiently,
38:36
Speaker 6: and save us money.
38:38
Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 6: The private sector is differently. It's to make money. Their
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Speaker 6: job is to achieve all of these things, safety, right,
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Speaker 6: all these services, all of these things, roads, school, all
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Speaker 6: these things. But they should be doing it at the
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Speaker 6: cheapest cost to the taxpayer.
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Speaker 1: When you talk about the private sector, and I will
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Speaker 1: leave you with this, one of the things that's starting
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Speaker 1: to bother me a lot is I understand business and
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Speaker 1: making money, but when you go to your doctor..
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Speaker 3: You and you have a problem.
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Speaker 1: You want somebody that's going to be looking at your
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Speaker 1: health issues and have your have concern over what to
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Speaker 1: do and get you feeling better. Not to say I
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Speaker 1: can only spend four minutes with this person because I
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Speaker 1: sold my practice down to this organization. I got to
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Speaker 1: see so many patients a day because it's all about
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Speaker 1: the money. I'm afraid so much is being in private
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Speaker 1: sector is becoming all about the money that we're forgetting
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Speaker 1: some of the purpose of it when it comes to
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Speaker 1: the medical field and some other fields as well. I
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Speaker 1: just think that that's a travesty that we got going
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Speaker 1: on where it's become too much all about the money
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Speaker 1: in the private sector and not about the service.
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Speaker 6: Well, the government is making the private sector respond. The government,
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Speaker 6: because of their reimbursement to the private sector, is putting
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Speaker 6: pressure on the private.
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Speaker 5: Sector to have to respond.
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Speaker 9: From ABC News. I'm Mike Dabusky. A potential peace deal
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Speaker 9: with Iran could include the reopening of the Strait of
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Speaker 9: Hormuz and a commitment from Iran to draw down its
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Speaker 9: supply of enriched uranium, according to President Trump. But Iranian
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Speaker 9: state media says the president's characterization of the draft proposal
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Speaker 9: is not accurate. More from ABC's Christiane Cordero.
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Speaker 10: Iran, according to state media. is rejecting the idea that
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Speaker 10: they are going to let traffic move freely through the
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Speaker 10: Strait of Hormuz without the tolls that they had previously
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Speaker 10: mentioned that they would impose. Those are the things that
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Speaker 10: they were working on Oman with, by the way. And
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Speaker 10: they're also making no mention of the nuclear program in
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Speaker 10: that there's no agreement, but rather they're calling it a
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Speaker 10: commitment for a commitment. So in other words, saying we're
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Speaker 10: not going to talk about this issue right now.
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Speaker 9: President Trump wrapping up a meeting with aides earlier today,
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Speaker 9: still weighing whether or not to extend the ceasefire with
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Speaker 9: Iran as negotiations continue. A big legal setback for the
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Speaker 9: president's plans for the Kennedy Center.
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Speaker 8: A federal judge said Friday that President Trump can't close
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Speaker 8: or rename the Kennedy Center, ruling that it can't be
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Speaker 8: officially named for anyone else unless Congress approves it.
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Speaker 2: U.S.
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Speaker 8: District Judge Christopher Cooper ruled that the rebranding of the
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Speaker 8: Kennedy Center as the Trump Kennedy Center is a violation
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Speaker 8: of the law, and he ordered that Trump's name be
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Speaker 8: removed from the building within two weeks of this order.
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Speaker 3: Karen Travers, ABC News, the White House.
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Speaker 9: In Laos, a dramatic rescue effort is underway after a
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Speaker 9: group of miners found themselves trapped in a cave following
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Speaker 9: a flash flood last week.
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Speaker 4: This is an extremely delicate operation. Each person will have
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Speaker 4: to be brought to the surface one by one. Six
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Speaker 4: additional divers have arrived to help with this rescue mission,
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Speaker 4: and we're told that they needed thinner divers to reach
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Speaker 4: the area where all of this is unfolding. So it
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Speaker 4: does give you a sense of the terrain and how
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Speaker 4: difficult this mission is.
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Speaker 9: ABC's Marcus Moore, you're listening to ABC News.