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- 1:20Hello and welcome back to another episode of for Azeroth.
- 1:25This is for Azeroth 166 and we are recording on May 13th, 2021
- 1:33Jared Howe has World of Warcraft, have been treating
- 1:37you. Well, since since a certain
- 1:40someone told me that there was no longer a bet on whether or
- 1:45not I could Stay with one class throughout the entire expansion
- 1:50and I've allowed myself to embrace my inner warlock, a
- 1:55little bit more. It's going pretty great.
- 1:58Geez, you know what? I'm going to start up a bet with
- 2:01the killed so you've been you've been diving into the Warlock.
- 2:08I thought that was a classic thing that you're also doing it
- 2:10on retail. No, yeah.
- 2:11Yeah. I've gotten up to renowned 22 as
- 2:15of this morning, I think. On the Warlock, which I got to
- 2:19level 60 and then didn't touch again, like outside of like
- 2:24maybe doing a world boss here and there.
- 2:29But yeah, yeah I haven't, I haven't really touched it and so
- 2:32the last like week or so, I've been I've been working on
- 2:35towards getting round up and starting to gear out and I got I
- 2:41got my best in slot, legendary crafted, the other thing that's
- 2:44to save torque a star. Yeah.
- 2:46Yeah, well I braved is let's let's be clear here.
- 2:51I was hard carried. We had a Resto.
- 2:53Shamans are one of our Resto. Shamans healers.
- 2:57Carried me through the first wing and then, and then our rate
- 3:03rate, he'll leader carried me to the second one.
- 3:08So yeah, totally totally. Like did not actually do Torah
- 3:14guest I just got Free stygia or free.
- 3:18So lash and turned it in. So but but yeah, I got it
- 3:23crafted. At least the the low rank when I
- 3:25still have to rank it up to rank for, of course.
- 3:27But, but yeah, I got that started.
- 3:30Getting some of my best in slot, conduits unlocked and, and
- 3:35slowly slowly leveling up my item level like little piece by
- 3:40piece. So hopefully, hopefully, you
- 3:44know, by the time 9.1 comes out, I'll I'll be just about where I
- 3:49am on my death, knight on the Warlock and I'll be able to
- 3:52decide once we actually get into the 9.1 patch whether or not I'm
- 3:57gonna make the switch or if I'm going to continue on with that
- 4:00night because death knight basically, basically, I have all
- 4:03the gear that I'm gonna get, like, outside of maybe a few
- 4:07pieces here and there through Mythic as our Guild, kind of
- 4:13progresses through the Mythic buses.
- 4:15But yeah, that's It's basically where I'm at.
- 4:18Yeah, no, that's a great place to be at.
- 4:20And the team itself is sort of like, in a similar situations,
- 4:24we've been having alt coming through on, like the heroic
- 4:27nights for quite a while. We're even to the point where
- 4:30people are burning out on like alts, who, you know, didn't have
- 4:34the same sort of pressure that you had stick with the same
- 4:38character, they've been bringing their alts and then now we're
- 4:43seeing that like, hey, like we do want to actually push in a
- 4:46myth We're getting roughly around 20 people.
- 4:50I showed up last last night and they're like, oh good, you make
- 4:5220. And I'm like, I'm sorry, I was
- 4:53late. I was I was recording.
- 4:55And so like I rolled in and they're like, yes, we could do
- 4:5820, I'm like, oh, thank goodness.
- 5:00I thought they'd be mad. I was 10 minutes late.
- 5:03I get to be a hero, and it's gonna going through that.
- 5:07So, I gotta ask you, since you've actually now, try to get
- 5:11an ALT up to raid, ready? How was the experience been for
- 5:15you has it been like, like what are the Pain points, what are
- 5:17the easy points and shadowlands the easy, the easy Point,
- 5:22honestly is the renowned like that, you just get so much
- 5:26renowned just for, playing a game.
- 5:27Just for doing, literally anything like you go do World
- 5:31quest for your colleagues, you go, you know queue up for an
- 5:36LFR. Just like just for a chance of
- 5:39getting, like one of your condo, it's unlocked or legendary
- 5:42recipe, like you just do it that one time gig.
- 5:47It like five or six renowned just from just from that, you
- 5:51know, one week going into to unlock yourself.
- 5:57Like honestly the biggest pain point is probably going to
- 6:02probably going to be leveling the kind of it's up or getting
- 6:08trinkets like I can't decide which of those two is going to
- 6:12be the rough ER, part because I like there are plenty of people
- 6:17People in The Guild that are more than willing to run me
- 6:19through Mythic plus dungeons. That I should not be stepping
- 6:24foot into with that character, okay under any circumstance but
- 6:29they're they're going to help me out and like I I've slowly been
- 6:34noticing like my damage increase like it.
- 6:38I just ran the the first wing of LF our last night on my Warlock
- 6:44and even even As a distraction were like that.
- 6:48Even the best current were like, spec, but is a destruction more
- 6:52like going into the raid. I was like top three DPS and my
- 6:58item level is like 172, I think. Yeah, so feels pretty good to be
- 7:07able to do that. Like, even with no gear being
- 7:11able to pull, like, 3 to 4 K, DPS, and and stay at the top of
- 7:14LFR. Like it's, it's a good feeling.
- 7:17Like I mean we covered the interview conducted by preach
- 7:24with Ian and at one point he was so like oh you know the gear
- 7:27disparity it's really more about the it's really more about the
- 7:31skill you bring. And so the fact that you're
- 7:33walking into elif are with a bunch of people who've been
- 7:37doing probably be doing LFR for quite a while.
- 7:42You would think that their gear would again get that disparity
- 7:46and like maybe he's got a point that like the player Gap is more
- 7:51closely related to item levels than usual because you showing
- 7:58that you can like outperform with and I level deficit shows
- 8:03that skill is still involved in it.
- 8:05I don't know. It's a very, it's a very strange
- 8:08thing. I'd love to like look at the
- 8:09data is what? What I would love but yeah,
- 8:14preach has more data to Me, Andy.
- 8:16It definitely has more data than me.
- 8:18So I'm not going to wait into that conversation with any kind
- 8:20of authority there. Yeah, and that's kind of the
- 8:24story of how it goes like literally every expansion the
- 8:28same the same discussion happens every time.
- 8:31Like what's should you like be able to go in and clear a raid
- 8:36on heroic with like dungeon Blues?
- 8:41Maybe like if you if you're that skilled and you know, your whole
- 8:45braid team is that skilled. Sure sure, why not but It's not
- 8:52just skill that you're taking into account, you taking into
- 8:54account skill and gear which is you know, two things that you
- 8:59know they're not mutually exclusive.
- 9:01So the the results of any test that you're going to run to
- 9:06determine you know, which one is more important.
- 9:09They're always going to be wildly skewed, so it's not
- 9:13really much of a point in my opinion, in talking about it.
- 9:17Okay, at least, at least at that level, you know.
- 9:21Yeah. Yeah.
- 9:21Yeah. Well my my weekend wow has been
- 9:27a bit odd. I meant to start working on my
- 9:33priest as like the next alt that I was going and going to level
- 9:37up and I just never got around to it.
- 9:41I just kept on being like Oh I'm going to work on this.
- 9:43I'm going to work this people who are like I'm bored and wow.
- 9:46And I have nothing to do. They are playing a different
- 9:49game than me. Just I just don't like, okay, I
- 9:52need to level up my priests but I want to make money on the
- 9:56auction house and I need to go go do all my mouth farming and I
- 10:02want to practice my rotation on my Shaman because I'm using this
- 10:06off spec and it changes my ER my rotation and I want to go
- 10:10through the mall, to get to stygia to upgrade all my
- 10:13conduits and all of that. And There's all of that going
- 10:18and then at the same time, I'm just like, I am being the target
- 10:24of some unscrupulous individuals because I happen to have a
- 10:30little bit of an event in my pocket, right?
- 10:33Like this, I do the same thing. Everybody else is doing.
- 10:37I go out there, I do some World quest.
- 10:39I like put it into this teacher Reservoir and then, like I was
- 10:44talking with, Raven from ggw. Yeah.
- 10:49And just like, oh man. I'm out of that Adam.
- 10:52I like I don't have any animals. Like, what are you talking
- 10:54about? Like, like they put in these
- 10:57upgrades and now, I don't know what the hell to do with this
- 10:59anima. I've gotten all the like, all
- 11:02the, the mounts. So that's it for Cosmetics for
- 11:06me and then I did the upgrades because hey, if I read it later,
- 11:10like there's that, but like, I got everything ranked up to
- 11:15level 3. And this is, of course, after I
- 11:17switch covenants. So, some of the, so a lot of
- 11:21that progress. In fact, all the progress that I
- 11:24had in Bastion doesn't carry over to me in, in Vampire, land,
- 11:29and Reverend ref. Right.
- 11:31So, I have to restart, and they unleash, this Li little thing
- 11:35where it's like, hey, all of your stuff is upgraded, you'll
- 11:37get more animated. I'm like, okay, that's great.
- 11:40That gives me a little girls to work for, so I worked on that
- 11:42and I got that done. And last week, I'm sitting there
- 11:47and I'm like, I'm about to go over cap on anima, so I guess I
- 11:50need to spend this. So, now, I have a rank for of
- 11:55the Reverend direct party, party thing, like, rank for this, and
- 12:02I haven't even done the introductory Quest, where the
- 12:04like go gather up these people. So we can teach you how to do
- 12:08the tutorial. I've no interest in it.
- 12:13Yeah, yeah. And because the, the like the
- 12:17individual Covenant ones that like the unique Covenant ones,
- 12:23they go to rank 5, right? Yeah.
- 12:26Yeah. And it's like 20,000 anima for
- 12:28the rank 5, upgrade, some crazy like that.
- 12:31Something like that. I think it was like, I think it
- 12:34was 12K to upgrade to rank for when I did it.
- 12:40And like again, I only did it because I was like, I'm going
- 12:43Cap screw it, right? So now I'm sitting on rank for
- 12:47I've got tens of thousands of of Anima right and I still don't
- 12:53know what to do with it. Yeah.
- 12:56So this got Raven to tell her to tell her her community that
- 13:02apparently I'm hoarding all the anima See and you play with were
- 13:10mode on. So you basically just you know,
- 13:12painted a Target on your back. Well you know they they're
- 13:15mostly Europeans but they do have like a North American
- 13:20contingent and so every so often man, like, you'll see this like
- 13:24dwarf Paladin, like sort of like follow me around and be like oh
- 13:28sorry D. And I'm just like, what are you
- 13:30talking about? You'll see this like bend their
- 13:33Frost me just sort of like looking at me.
- 13:35Like I got a loot table. That's not good.
- 13:38Yeah, yeah. You just gotta, you gotta, you
- 13:41know put some animal back into the into the community you know,
- 13:45disperse it out back into the shadowlands, it's out there for
- 13:49anybody to get. I'm not I'm not the bad guy
- 13:52here. But yeah.
- 13:56Like on on the the note of like people that don't feel like they
- 14:03don't have anything to do. I feel like I feel like this
- 14:07this expansion in particular, which this is also been true of
- 14:10other expansions to, but I feel like this one in particular,
- 14:14there are so many different things to do that.
- 14:16It's very difficult to prioritize.
- 14:20What to do in order to make progress toward a goal toward
- 14:24any goal that anyone could have. Like, there's, there's kind of,
- 14:29like, this feeling of, like, I gotta get the, the, the max
- 14:32amount of stygia out of the mod that I can every week, I have to
- 14:36get them. Amount of as rate as right
- 14:41animal? Yeah, old old habits die hard at
- 14:45to get the max amount of animal that I can get, you know, on a
- 14:47daily day-to-day basis. And it's just, it's hard to
- 14:53focus in on one thing at a time. Especially when those two things
- 14:58are seemingly in such short supply, you kind of feel like if
- 15:05you have either one of those those as a goal or something
- 15:08that requires one of those, as a goal that you feel pressured to
- 15:12do all of that as much as possible.
- 15:15But then again, there's so many different things to spend anima
- 15:20on. There's so many different.
- 15:22There's really only like two things to spend stygian but
- 15:25still Yes, it's overwhelming. I I think you were, you sort of
- 15:35gave your answer in the premise. It's a matter of priorities.
- 15:38Like yes, there's all these things and there's transmog
- 15:43armor that I haven't picked up because I'm not the biggest
- 15:45transmog, Hunter. It's okay.
- 15:49They're just be your next and of a dump.
- 15:51Exactly. There are things that are like,
- 15:52okay, that is cool, but it's not my priority and I do.
- 15:58Like trans trans marking. I want the dark Shaman armor
- 16:02set, but I have not been prioritizing farming that
- 16:06because I've been prioritizing farming, other other mounts.
- 16:11Even when there are things that are.
- 16:12Like, I don't know how to prioritize these then I will
- 16:16just come up with some sort of arbitrary, sort of, sort of like
- 16:20set up for that. And I'll be like okay this is
- 16:22what I'm going to do first and once I've gotten all these, I'm
- 16:24going to move on to the next so that I have set goals.
- 16:27And all of that. But that is a topic for a
- 16:31different day because I actually am going to be on Gold's gone.
- 16:36Wow, this Sunday and assuming that they don't kill me for my
- 16:40anima, we're going to be talking about collect collecting and
- 16:44just that sort of stuff. So, I do, I do recommend people
- 16:48head over to that show this Sunday.
- 16:51And here, we go. More on about that sort of
- 16:53stuff. Yeah, it's gonna be a good one.
- 16:57But beyond that, let's talk a little bit about what's coming
- 17:02up in the world of world that the World of Warcraft.
- 17:07So I guess, I guess the first thing on my mind in the the
- 17:12closest thing happening to us at this current point in time is
- 17:17burning Crusade, classic free patch coming out on the 18th and
- 17:21then literally two weeks later getting into, you know, go
- 17:25through the dark portal. There's a lot going on with, at
- 17:33least this week in the beta. There's been a lot going on,
- 17:37they sent out a huge huge wave of invites to the PBC classic
- 17:43beta, Right? And started to conduct a stress
- 17:47test on Wednesday that failed catastrophically.
- 17:51But well, I mean, being a bit hyperbolic there, but you get
- 17:53the point. I mean, you say you're being
- 17:56hyperbolic Like, but no, I hear it was a lot of Errors so you're
- 18:00not that far off the mark but, but yeah, they actually, as
- 18:06we're recording this right now, they're conducting the II stress
- 18:09test. And we're probably going to see
- 18:11a few more stress tests between now and May 18th at least and
- 18:17even more stress test. After the, pre patch goes live
- 18:21for actual, you know, burning Crusade content because they're
- 18:26like trying and to make sure that patch day for 2.0 for pre
- 18:30patch that the servers are stable enough to weather the
- 18:36massive influx of players that are going to be coming back and
- 18:41then you know we have a whole other can of worms to open two
- 18:44weeks later with with the opening of the dark portal.
- 18:46Because like there's there's not really much funneling that's
- 18:49going to happen. Like maybe in the drain, I had
- 18:52blood all starter zones, there's going to be some funneling, I'll
- 18:55disagree with you that Hi. Early day one, everybody going
- 18:59through that dark portal, and being up in Hellfire Peninsula.
- 19:02That was the biggest funnel ever.
- 19:05And like, oh no, yes, that's what I'm saying though.
- 19:07Is like the there's going to be a little bit of funneling on pre
- 19:10batch day one, but the, the actual expansion lunch, everyone
- 19:15going through the dark portal at the same time.
- 19:17When the server's come up is going to be just awful.
- 19:22Like if you remember the world, there's a drain or expansion
- 19:25opening. Think that but a billion times
- 19:30worse because there's no no that one they were smart and they're
- 19:33like okay we're putting everybody into their own little
- 19:36pocket scenario and if you if you remember Warlords of Draenor
- 19:41and every expansion since day, one you go into your own little
- 19:46instant scenario so that they can break you up.
- 19:49And then when you get out the other side, there's like
- 19:52different places and before they had that level of phasing,
- 19:56That's when, like, in like the Wrath of the Lich King.
- 20:00Hey, you can start at this side of the continent, or on the
- 20:03other side of the continent. Because we do not want you guys
- 20:07feeding up together, right away? Yeah, yeah, but none of that
- 20:13Tech exists for in burning Crusade, like, they're they're
- 20:17doing some, you know, they've introduced some phasing
- 20:20technology that, you know, a lot of people were Upset with that
- 20:26they had put in in classic and you know vanilla classic and
- 20:30they're continuing on with that Tech going through with the with
- 20:34burning Crusade and that they're going to be using that Tech
- 20:37fairy heavily within the first couple of weeks of burning
- 20:41crusade to no one's surprise. They're going to be using it
- 20:45just to make sure that there's some some level of stability
- 20:49going on. Yeah.
- 20:51And I think that's, that's very necessary.
- 20:53This is Is honestly an example of the some changes that they
- 20:57talked about where they're going to need to employ some changes,
- 21:02to make sure that the play experience is enjoyable that
- 21:07sort of pain points that they didn't expect or anticipate back
- 21:11in the day. They now have not only they know
- 21:15about it ahead of time, but they have new tech in order to
- 21:18address those problems and Jared you've been diving through on
- 21:24the The the beta for the burning Crusade, you have been like,
- 21:29working on your army of characters that you want to
- 21:32bring in on day one. When you're looking at this some
- 21:36changes and this is actually one of the questions that were
- 21:38submitted for to us. How do you feel blizzard has
- 21:43executed on some changes in the burning Crusade?
- 21:46And what would you want to see them do in future for the
- 21:50classic franchise in general? I am welcoming Have some
- 21:54changes. Obviously, I play like one of my
- 21:58level 60s, one of the two level 60s that I have that comprise,
- 22:02my Army is a human Paladin, right?
- 22:07And in original burning Crusade, you know, they didn't have the,
- 22:10the blood seal but we're getting our own version of that in
- 22:15burning Crusade and that is an example of some changes that
- 22:19make sense to me. Also, you know in other some has
- 22:24news like the having having the tinnitus debuff being added into
- 22:29the game for leatherworking drums, which was a huge pain
- 22:33Point within the classic Community going into burning
- 22:36Crusade because drums were such a such an not really overpowered
- 22:43thing. But certainly abused by raid
- 22:46teams in a way that wasn't necessarily intended by the
- 22:49design initially. Well sorry, explain explain it
- 22:53to me like that. As a Layman.
- 22:55Like I understand that drums would mimic bloodlust kind of
- 23:00its separate thing from blood list.
- 23:03Like you have blood lust from shamans?
- 23:07Yeah, bloodlust / heroism for shamans but then you also had
- 23:10drums, which were a separate buff and drums like nowadays.
- 23:16When you hear drums in like, in the context of retail, that
- 23:20definitely is something that was put in, that was changed.
- 23:24About leatherworking that they, I think in, like wrath era, they
- 23:29change this to be this way to wear drums.
- 23:32Give the the same buff that heroism give so that you didn't
- 23:35have to bring a shaman to every red grouper or even dungeon
- 23:39group for that matter that it just gave people a little bit
- 23:42more flexibility in choosing their, they're cops that wasn't
- 23:47the case. Basically, if you were a
- 23:49high-end Raider back in the day like and I'm talking like, top
- 23:5310, maybe Five teams, they all of them, you know, they had, you
- 23:59know, one or two people per party.
- 24:01So you know, you have a rate of 25 people, it's five parties of
- 24:04five. So you'd have one or two people
- 24:07in each of those groups that was assigned to have drums, and so
- 24:12they would have to have leatherworking.
- 24:14So, in order to get into those high-end red, team's people
- 24:18started to expect that you have leather working so that you
- 24:21could bring drums to the raid because you can only make them
- 24:24and Use them. If you were a leather worker, it
- 24:26just got to a point where it was so abused by the community that
- 24:30a lot of people going into, you know, this Burning Crusade
- 24:35classic experience. We're just like hey you should
- 24:37do something about this because it's going to snowball.
- 24:40It's going to you know make people not want information.
- 24:43Using going to just stay at the top 5% or anything.
- 24:46It's going to be everywhere. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
- 24:48So they changed it. They changed it to where the
- 24:53like the Quote, unquote, greater drums drops from zolomon.
- 24:57Now like the recipe for it, drops from zolomon so that we
- 25:01don't have to worry about the greater drums, you know, early
- 25:05on. And they also added this debuff,
- 25:08that makes it to where you can't benefit from drums again, for 2
- 25:11minutes. So similar to exhaustion from
- 25:13blood list, just to keep people from abusing everything, like
- 25:18it'll still be something that high-end teams are going to look
- 25:21at to bring into their raid groups to you know make sure
- 25:24that They have drums for every group but it's not going to be
- 25:27something that is universally expected out of everyone that
- 25:33goes into a into a rating environment.
- 25:35Okay. Which I mean I could be wrong on
- 25:38my diagnosis on that I could be absolutely wrong then it won't
- 25:42be something that's expected. It out of everyone but it'll be
- 25:46it'll be something that You bringing leatherworking to a
- 25:50team, will be something that you would have over other applicants
- 25:55for that team. As opposed to being just
- 25:57something that you're expected to have as a as a baseline.
- 26:01So I feel like it's a good change on the other side of the
- 26:06some changes is, you know, adding adding the basically a
- 26:11storm out to to the game through, you know, the, the
- 26:16digital deluxe edition. Hmm.
- 26:18I swear my excitement for some changes just falls off
- 26:24completely doing stuff like that which I mean so to for full
- 26:29context burning Crusade times, they had the the wild TCG.
- 26:35And there were certain cards that you could get in TCG packs
- 26:38that had items that you could redeem in game and and get those
- 26:43items on your characters, right? So basically they were Loop
- 26:47boxes like the V card packs were loot boxes that you were
- 26:51gambling to see, which it. Or if you even got one of these
- 26:55items to get in game, which if that had come out today, would
- 26:59have been, who I don't even want to know, what the, what the
- 27:05forms would have looked like, if they had tried to put something
- 27:08like a like that in today. But I the one thing that scares
- 27:13me about them putting in this Mount as a And and putting it
- 27:20behind such a steep price. Price point.
- 27:23Freight in order to get it, I feel like if it is wildly
- 27:32successful to them or wildly profitable for them to have done
- 27:37this, to have put this mountain, the game that it will trigger
- 27:44something internally at blizzard, that will say it
- 27:47worked this time. Let's do it again.
- 27:50Well, I feel like that time has already passed for people who
- 27:56actually, like, read through earnings calls and that the
- 27:59mounts and these value added incentives.
- 28:05Are something that blizzard and Activision are looking at that,
- 28:12is that is clear that while I don't particularly have a
- 28:20problem with these these Mounds. I think I'm more have a problem
- 28:24with it being in classic than I have in retail.
- 28:26If they want to throw mounts onto the mount store or special
- 28:28editions with like all these sort of things and the BlizzCon
- 28:31past that we've already seen, I don't have a personal problem
- 28:35with it. I'm just not going to spend my
- 28:36money on it. I haven't.
- 28:38Yeah. But I understand the purest sort
- 28:41of like we want to keep we want to keep classic as the same as
- 28:46it was but I feel it's hard to take the some good changes
- 28:53without like them. Also trying to be like Hey
- 28:55listen we're putting all this effort to put it back up there,
- 28:58here's a utterly cosmetic and generally inconsequential
- 29:04additional thing that we're going to sell alongside it for
- 29:07people who want to Invest into into that. and I think it's
- 29:14actually, They did it with such a light touch.
- 29:18They made sure not to make it a high res model, which they could
- 29:21have thrown in. And they did a high-res Model
- 29:23that goes into retail. Yeah.
- 29:25So it fits perfectly in. It's not like a unique Loop set
- 29:31or a unique model. Like it's you've seen
- 29:35face-to-face, peace, but I don't believe you were able to ride
- 29:38facebeast beforehand. No, you weren't able to ride
- 29:43warp stalkers before but Of like ultimately how I feel about it.
- 29:50It's like at the end of the day like I am, I am exercising
- 29:55caution towards towards, you know, you know, them selling
- 30:00mounts to Classic players. However, I view it the same way
- 30:06that I view the mounts that they put in the retail store, they're
- 30:09there. I wish they weren't.
- 30:12But at the end of the day, Does not affect my game, play one.
- 30:15So, like whatsoever. Like, it just doesn't have any
- 30:18effect on my enjoyment of the game, like, if I see someone
- 30:22running around and be like, okay, cool.
- 30:24I know they spent money like cool.
- 30:26Great, I'm gonna go, you know, farm for my, my nether Drake and
- 30:32get that probably before you will, so eat it.
- 30:39But like, I would see someone writing on another day. and be
- 30:45like, Recognize that they they, you know, put in a good amount
- 30:51of work and it like that has weight to it.
- 30:54Whereas I see someone on a mount that they spent, you know, 5025
- 30:59$15 on it was gonna be like, okay, cool.
- 31:02It looks neat but you didn't do anything to earn it.
- 31:06So it doesn't it doesn't affect anything and it's not putting me
- 31:11off from playing the game. I absolutely still am going to
- 31:14be playing burning Crusade, classic.
- 31:17I know a lot of people that definitely definitely have had
- 31:22their mood soured about burning Crusade classic by the stuff and
- 31:26to you, I will say that's your prerogative.
- 31:31Yeah, II do agree with you that this store mount isn't going to
- 31:37remove The Prestige of like those raid mounts and stuff.
- 31:41Like, if you are running around and you've got ashes of Al are
- 31:45and somebody walks up beside the EU, with the warp stalker,
- 31:50right? Yeah, yeah.
- 31:53I'm not going to be like, oh, that warp stalker.
- 31:55Looks nicer. I I know what goes into that.
- 31:58Ashes of Al are and I'd be like, oh man, he only did you get
- 32:00lucky but Also got through all this raid content.
- 32:04So yeah, I don't think it takes away from the prestige.
- 32:06I don't think it gives any additional power because they
- 32:09have said just like before, it is one of those mounts that,
- 32:15that isn't going like, give you fastest writing speed.
- 32:20Yeah, that, that is the one thing though, is that Because
- 32:26it's scaled with your writing. If for some reason you got
- 32:30through classic and didn't get the like fastest epic writing
- 32:35speed mount. Then I guess this is a way of
- 32:41doing it without accruing, the gold.
- 32:44Though that said considering the economics on on classic, it's
- 32:50interesting that you that you say that because, like, current
- 32:54in classic classic like vanilla classic right now, it's not that
- 33:04expensive to get the writing training but the mount itself is
- 33:08very expensive. As soon as pre patch happens
- 33:11that flips, they flip. The, the, like amount of gold
- 33:16that it costs respectively. So, the writing training is
- 33:22becoming way more expensive, but the mounts themselves aren't.
- 33:26So the smart person would like get on before the 18th by the
- 33:30mount. Then wait for the pre patch to
- 33:33hit and then be like, now I buy the training well, the, because
- 33:36that wouldn't that wouldn't work because the the training is
- 33:39going to be the expensive part come and present, but like,
- 33:42right now, it's cheap, Right now the training is cheap.
- 33:45So if you got you for the 18, jump on before the 18th by your
- 33:49fire, the training and then the mount becomes cheap.
- 33:54After the 18th you go back and you buy them out then okay?
- 33:57Or or you just play a warlock and you don't have to worry
- 34:00about that. That Quest is it is a pretty
- 34:06tall order I if I recall. Yeah, but yeah, so a couple of
- 34:13things that I Wanted to kind of clarify on because it as, as
- 34:19I've been, you know, looking through conversations and
- 34:21talking with some, some people around in, in the community.
- 34:26There's, there's a lot of misconceptions going around
- 34:29about what exactly these these like priced pave services, that,
- 34:38that, that they're offering are actually doing.
- 34:42So, we have There are three things that you can buy in
- 34:46respect to burning Crusade classic.
- 34:48There's a paid character copy, which cost $35.
- 34:51There is the dark portal pass, which cost $40.
- 34:54That's the, the character boost level 58 and then there's the
- 34:57digital deluxe edition which cost $70 all of these USD by the
- 35:01way, The first thing that I want to clear up is the paid
- 35:08character copy. So one bit of misinformation
- 35:12that I've heard floating around is that you will have to pay
- 35:15$35, in order to have your character be on the classic
- 35:20Realm, This is very false. This is very, very, very, very
- 35:27so, very false. The the paid character copy is
- 35:32something that you you can buy, that will copy your character.
- 35:40Owen Thoreau servers. Yeah onto both servers exactly
- 35:44so there will be a server split on May 18th.
- 35:48All of all your characters by default will be on the server
- 35:52that is going to move on to TBC and you can tell blizzard for
- 35:58each character that you have whether you want it to go to
- 36:02keep going on that server and move into TBC or if you want it
- 36:05to go into the Legacy classic server.
- 36:09So you can continue You to do things like Farm, naxxramas or
- 36:13you know, whatever whatever you want to do.
- 36:15If you just want to hang out on the classic servers, you can
- 36:19choose to go either or that is completely free.
- 36:25You do not have to pay anything to go play Legacy classic.
- 36:30You don't have to pay anything to move into TBC or continue
- 36:34into TBC. The only thing that you have to
- 36:37pay is if you want one character, To go to both
- 36:41versions of the server both into TBC and into classic.
- 36:46That's $35. I have several thoughts about
- 36:48the pricing on that I think is way too high.
- 36:51We don't have to get into that right now but yeah, that's
- 36:55that's the biggest misconception.
- 36:58The other misconception that I heard is that you can boost as
- 37:02many characters you want this is untrue.
- 37:05You would have to buy individual accounts because there's Only
- 37:11one boost per account. So, if you have multiple
- 37:14accounts, technically, you can buy multiple boosts one for each
- 37:19account that you own, but it's one boost per account.
- 37:23Those, those are the two misconceptions that I wanted to
- 37:25clear up. Yeah.
- 37:26And I think a lot of it's coming from like we all have our
- 37:30anxieties including including me about like what's happening over
- 37:34at Blizzard Entertainment. It's like a beloved company and
- 37:39we have Seen staff exoduses of like big names names that we
- 37:45probably don't know that. I've like disappeared behind the
- 37:48scenes but were involved involved in the games that we
- 37:50love and we have seen like increase in them, trying to
- 37:56monetize no but make no mistake. There isn't being an increase in
- 38:00them trying to monetize but they have been doing it and a
- 38:04relatively benign way that doesn't break the game.
- 38:09Look at you. Look at these options, the paid
- 38:14character copy, so that you can go on both servers is expensive,
- 38:20more expensive than people would buy like on a, on a whim, right?
- 38:25It's out of the impulse by range, and I think that's to
- 38:29stop people from like creating a bunch of characters on different
- 38:33on different servers with this boost and then starting like the
- 38:37farming thing, they're sort of pre-empting farming as it.
- 38:39Were if you are the Boost is also one per account, right?
- 38:45So you can't do do an army of of boosted characters and put them
- 38:52over a bunch of different servers or all on one server.
- 38:55It also excludes both the draenei and the blood elves
- 38:59which would be the number one target for such a boost.
- 39:03If blizzard wanted to make money.
- 39:06So there's a lot of things that they've done where they've won
- 39:09left money on the table and to done it in a way to
- 39:14specifically, avoid avoid harming, the the Integrity of
- 39:20the game. Now why would they offer it at
- 39:23all? Well, obviously it would be if
- 39:26Jared while he's talking to me about the burning Crusade.
- 39:29I go like oh you know what Jared sure.
- 39:31I think I think I'm going to to try playing a burning Crusade.
- 39:34I stepped out last time but I'm different person.
- 39:36Now, I really never got into any rating past like magtheridon,
- 39:41Slayer, never got to raid Sun. Well, when it was like actually
- 39:45the content. I want to try that.
- 39:48Let me boost a character and play with you great.
- 39:52That's there for me. If it wasn't there for me.
- 39:55Well, I know a bunch of disreputable people would
- 39:59probably try and fill that Gap. And then we are dealing with
- 40:03Those sort of breaks of the end-user license agreement and
- 40:09those sort of disreputable places that would then try and
- 40:13steal your credit card information or hack your account
- 40:16and and sell it off that sort of stuff, that was such a plague to
- 40:20them before. And so they're allowing it here.
- 40:25I think that a lot of people worry about their anxieties, do
- 40:31not really see the reasons why they would do it in the way that
- 40:34they would. But as soon as you like sort of
- 40:37reason about it makes sense and it's actually not nefarious and
- 40:41not just a cash grab. Now, I will repeat that.
- 40:45I do believe that they are pushing a lot more monetization
- 40:49than they used to clearly. Being able to do these store
- 40:53mounts, these bonus additions that are like digital Goods
- 40:57literally ones and zeros on a on a server somewhere that they
- 41:02then flag your account and you get it.
- 41:05Oh man. All the hard work was in
- 41:07creating the models in the first place but past the like,
- 41:12whatever man hours it takes to actually put these in like
- 41:15they're just going to be making so much grain off of this.
- 41:18So I get I get the monetization thing.
- 41:19I just don't think that it is A sign of them trying to milk
- 41:24every single penny out of people because it just, if you're a
- 41:27player like me, who thinks that a game should be like the $15
- 41:33and then walk away and then walk away and not pay anything else.
- 41:37This doesn't break anything for you.
- 41:40In fact, for people who remember back in the day, right?
- 41:45When you wanted to get the burning Crusade and you lined up
- 41:49at midnight to try and get it out of your like Goal GameStop
- 41:52or whatever store you were paying.
- 41:56The box price and they've removed that from here.
- 41:59You don't have to pay any blocks price for the burning Crusade.
- 42:02You didn't have to play any box price for vanilla.
- 42:05You just have to pay your normal subscription that you might
- 42:08already be paying if you were playing retail.
- 42:12So there's a lot of money that they're leaving off the table
- 42:15and I think people have forgotten about it when this
- 42:19sort of Narrative takes over. So, I think that yeah, that's a
- 42:27lot of balance. Again, I did talk about this in
- 42:30length. I got to record a great show of
- 42:35Scrubs versus the world with PSI and pro and that should be out
- 42:40sometime. If you want more of my thoughts
- 42:42on that and just more about negativity in the current wow
- 42:46environment, but I had my rant and Jared you said you weren't
- 42:50going to but I'm going to, I'm going to ask you.
- 42:52Give your piece. The my issue with the paid
- 42:56character Copy being such a high price?
- 43:00Is that like on one hand? I understand why they would why
- 43:04they would want to have such a high price because they want it
- 43:06to be a you know, fairly hard filter for characters because
- 43:12like every time you create a character that server space is
- 43:15being taken up on blizzards and right so they don't want like a
- 43:20huge rush of people coming. In immediately day one and
- 43:24saying yeah, copy all of my characters, my entire roster and
- 43:28spending like if they were like 10 bucks, a pop spending 70
- 43:33bucks and getting an entire, you know, server list of characters
- 43:39on classic copied into both Realms and then those characters
- 43:43getting copied into Legacy. Not actually being played like
- 43:47they start playing on their characters in TV.
- 43:49See they start having a lot of fun.
- 43:51That in there and they may be log into the Legacy classic
- 43:57realm, maybe once maybe twice and then have like a steep fall
- 44:01off until months later. Like that server space, it's
- 44:05being taken up. And if they had it at a really
- 44:07low price point, it would incentivize a lot more people
- 44:11that do it which means they would be having to, you know,
- 44:14pay for this server space and and run the servers with
- 44:17characters and information and data That wasn't being used and
- 44:23I get that at the same time. forcing people to make this
- 44:32Choice whether or not they have a character continue on into T
- 44:37BC or Stay in vanilla classic, right?
- 44:44That's that's a problem that they made themselves and their
- 44:48solution was to have people pay to have both experiences.
- 44:54Yeah. But again like that's where I
- 44:56push back and this this came up in a conversation that we had
- 44:59earlier. Yeah, they gave you a choice and
- 45:03I think we said it on the last episode blizzard should just
- 45:05stop giving people choices flat-out, right?
- 45:09Every time they give people, Choices.
- 45:10They complain this trip just okay.
- 45:13Listen, you don't get to choose everybody's moving over to the
- 45:18burning of the burning Crusade. We're not putting up extra
- 45:20servers for this. It'll split the playerbase
- 45:23further than we want and everybody was like alright,
- 45:26lizard. Okay, there would have been a
- 45:28small people continue to people being like.
- 45:32Yeah. Okay I like that sucks.
- 45:34I really liked classic. I'm not the biggest burning
- 45:36Crusade person but sure and Then what would have happened?
- 45:41Legal classic sites would have servers would have started
- 45:44popping up again. It would be the same old deal,
- 45:47right? I'm like okay you know, what
- 45:48will give you the choice but we're but you can choose if
- 45:53you're really into classic, go to the classic if you are into
- 45:58the burning Crusade, go over to burning Crusade, but you have to
- 46:02choose. We're not we're not going to
- 46:04have you. Have you do both you get to
- 46:08choose to move off of your server into these new classic
- 46:10purse Legacy servers as you were calling them right?
- 46:14Or you stay on your server and it moves on and people would be
- 46:17like oh you know I'm losing my server identity a bit and like
- 46:21all right at least I get the choice and blizzard isn't
- 46:24charging me the choice. Yeah.
- 46:27And that's that's the important part.
- 46:28Like, that's the Saving Grace of it.
- 46:30Is that you don't have to. You don't have to pay anything
- 46:34to do either. Audience, if you want both
- 46:36experiences, then, that's, that's when you have to Fork the
- 46:40money over, right? But yeah, here's the other thing
- 46:43is that like if if you were like, for instance planning on
- 46:50playing a blood elf Paladin when they come out or a draenei
- 46:54shaman you know day 1 May 18th. That's what that's what you're
- 46:58planning on playing and leveling through you're not going to be
- 47:02able to copy that over. Its you're not going to be able
- 47:04to And play that character until they won.
- 47:08So if you're planning on that, being your main and you have,
- 47:11you know, like two or three levels 60s that are already
- 47:14ready to go. But you want to keep those
- 47:17characters and classic That's you can do that.
- 47:21You can absolutely do that. There's nothing stopping you
- 47:24from doing that. So really, there's not really
- 47:29there's not really much harm that's that's coming from.
- 47:34From this thing it's just I see high number, I panic.
- 47:39Like that's just like lizard. Brain, go and like start, stop
- 47:47thinking about it critically and You know, I think, I think a lot
- 47:51of people here, same deal, you started thinking about it.
- 47:54The $35 was just enough for you to start thinking about it.
- 47:57If they put this at 15 bucks, people be like, hey, I 50 bucks
- 48:01hair. Let me copy it.
- 48:02Let me copy the characters, and then wouldn't be until you hit
- 48:05your, like, third character that you're like, oh, geez, am I
- 48:08really gonna put down $45 here like that?
- 48:10Like, hmm. Yeah.
- 48:12Right like, that's what. Like, I think that's like the,
- 48:17the point where people start going like, wait, wait a second.
- 48:20What am I spending this money on?
- 48:21They start thinking about it and that's where, and I think that's
- 48:25why they set it at that price point, right?
- 48:27Not only just like what it costs them for like server
- 48:30maintenance, which really it's just data.
- 48:32So the server maintenance should relatively be the same unless
- 48:35they have to open up entirely new servers for this.
- 48:40Yeah. Right.
- 48:42But it means that the people who are making this Choice are
- 48:45thinking about it and are dedicated to it.
- 48:48They're not going to be like Yeah, 15 bucks, whatever.
- 48:52They're going to be like, well yeah, I really am going to be
- 48:55playing both. Okay I'm gonna do this right
- 48:58because if you if you have one preference or the other it's
- 49:02free, if you are going to do both and you think that you're
- 49:07going to do it at a at a sufficient level, to justify to
- 49:1035 bucks, then you're going to add to both servers that you're
- 49:13in for a period of time. I really do think that a lot of
- 49:17a lot of fall-off is going to happen here and Like anytime you
- 49:21have a high price like that like something that it does in the
- 49:25community because you know, Hive minds are so smart and
- 49:31Collective Collective thinking is, you know, always the right
- 49:35thing, right. The collective thinking is, well
- 49:39what if I can't afford the $35? Like what what happens to people
- 49:44that can't afford it. But that that, that want that
- 49:46experience like, well, Realistically, how many people
- 49:52are playing the game that are that dedicated to it?
- 49:57That they wouldn't be able to, to find a way to do that?
- 50:05And I'm not saying that, you know, you should have to find a
- 50:08way. I'm saying that the number of
- 50:10people that would be in that situation specifically is
- 50:15probably a lot lower than You know what, the, in reality than
- 50:21what the mob mentality is, kind of picking up on.
- 50:24Yeah, it almost becomes a straw man argument because you are
- 50:26looking for people who feel that they have enough time to play
- 50:32both that do not have the finances to pay for it, that
- 50:37also do not have enough time or set up in retail to create the
- 50:43gold to then do it through the blizzard store because this is a
- 50:47des and I could make that purchase tomorrow right through
- 50:52gold. So like it's like, I'm not
- 50:56saying that these people don't exist but it's a such a small
- 50:59subsection of the, of the player base that one.
- 51:03Feel. They have enough time to support
- 51:05both characters on both versions of the game per character that
- 51:09they're doing this on but do not have enough time or are not
- 51:14invested enough in to retail to then generate the golden do it
- 51:18for free and just flat-out. Don't have the resources in
- 51:22their own personal finances. To justify that expense and that
- 51:28to me is such a small subsection of the player base.
- 51:33That they should not have the level of voice that people seem
- 51:36to be giving them. And that that subsections like
- 51:42like 12 to 17 year olds, by the way.
- 51:46No. No.
- 51:47The 12 to 17 year olds have their parents credit card,
- 51:50joking. Joking.
- 51:51Not making a stab at it. Yeah yeah.
- 51:53Yeah. Don't But Jared, I got a lighter
- 51:58question for you. Now that we have all these years
- 52:02of experience behind us, Let's answer the real question, Al
- 52:07door or scryer, you know. I know Al door is the best
- 52:11numbers wise but I can't I can't not do scryer.
- 52:17I can't, I can't not do scryer. I have to go scratch.
- 52:21I don't have to. Okay.
- 52:23All right. Like numerically for both
- 52:26characters that I'm playing my Paladin and my were lack aldor
- 52:31is just clearly the better one to go.
- 52:34But I just I just like, okay I'll do I'll do you one better?
- 52:39I'm gonna do both, okay. All right.
- 52:42They only count as one reputation just so like when you
- 52:45when you go over to like the next version of classic and they
- 52:51actually increase put in achievements Alder and scryer
- 52:54counts. The same reputation for like
- 52:56those like you know, hundred reputations or 50 reputations.
- 53:00Yeah. Yeah.
- 53:02All right and Jared we sort of covered this.
- 53:07But last question that I want to cover from the ones that were
- 53:10submitted is, what do you think about the economy, going into
- 53:14the X-Pac will botters and real money, transfer people really
- 53:19ruin it for everyone or is that a bit hyperbolic?
- 53:22I think it's a bit hyperbolic to think that that Mater is in RM.
- 53:27T is just completely ruining the economy.
- 53:32Like it's it's definitely a large problem within within the
- 53:37economy. But I mean that's that's what we
- 53:42saw with the changes. You know, about the earlier
- 53:46changes, they made to the EU La that targeted crush him, not to
- 53:50bottom Atia. Yeah, well, I mean, the first
- 53:53one was targeting automation II was was targeting there or I
- 53:58guess software automation. The second one was targeting
- 54:00like physical hardware and software.
- 54:04Automation of actions within a game as being against eul, a
- 54:10like that. That was the framework for them
- 54:15actually being able to go in and do something about it because
- 54:19not to say that they couldn't have done anything more and that
- 54:23they weren't doing anything at all because they have been doing
- 54:29a whole lot about, you know, dealing with the botting problem
- 54:32and and the multi boxing problems.
- 54:34That have been playing classic the whole time, it just hasn't
- 54:38been nearly enough to keep up with the sheer number of
- 54:42accounts that are being created, do it.
- 54:44So, this I think is, is promising, that they now have
- 54:50the groundwork laid that they can deal with this a little bit
- 54:53easier, but we'll have to see because the economy right now,
- 55:00in classic is kind of stabilized to some But all of that can go
- 55:07right out the window as soon as you start, you know, bringing
- 55:09in, you know, massive amounts of new new resources into the
- 55:15economy. So it's just it's probably going
- 55:19to be in Flex for a couple of weeks but I think ultimately
- 55:22like the the economy will stabilize in it'll be fine.
- 55:25Okay. Yeah, I think that the there
- 55:29should be more of a reset like obviously the impact of all
- 55:32these characters that are going to be coming in from the like
- 55:37distorted economy that has happened.
- 55:39In classic means that there is still going to be Legacy and
- 55:42packed into the burning Crusade. Even if we have no further
- 55:46repercussions from any real money transfers or, or botting
- 55:50going forward, but yeah, I think that with all this new resource,
- 55:55Is that people are after newbie. Oh, he's that people are after
- 55:58knew everything. It gives a fresh start a bit to
- 56:03move forward. And as you were saying with the
- 56:05changes that they have made targeting hardware and software
- 56:10for multi, boxing should help out also, if and also Des,
- 56:16they're a lot more effective about botting now that they've
- 56:19experienced it if through classic.
- 56:21Yeah. And something else to consider
- 56:23too is that there's there's a lot more Gold sink stuff to buy
- 56:28within burning Crusade. So, a lot of that a lot of that
- 56:34gold is just gonna vanish day one right out of the economy.
- 56:38Okay. Yeah.
- 56:38I think I think it'll be a lot a lot more fine than people are
- 56:45are expecting. So those were the questions that
- 56:48we got from our winners actually, there are more
- 56:55questions. That were submitted that I
- 56:57didn't answer, but there are more winners than than the
- 57:01questions we answered here. The people who have one you will
- 57:05be contacted before this episode goes live.
- 57:09I want to thank everybody who did enter into the contest.
- 57:12If anybody is still looking for keys, Jared will still be giving
- 57:18out keys and his stream. Make sure you check that out
- 57:21over at twitch.tv slash Jared RPG.
- 57:25And he, Gives away some keys each day on his stream.
- 57:28If you weren't included in this gigantic beta wave, I hope
- 57:32people enjoyed this conversation about the burning Crusade.
- 57:35Now, to Jared's on, we can actually have an informed
- 57:38discussion about these things, and I'm thankful for that.
- 57:41Thank you Jared. Yeah, yeah, always happy to talk
- 57:44to you PC. And with that said, let's move
- 57:49on to a little interview that was done with Morgan day and
- 57:55conducted. By sloot.
- 57:57So this Center view was this past Tuesday and they talked
- 58:01about 9.1 and how was shaping up and what's yet to come on the
- 58:04PTR. So the first thing they talked
- 58:07about was tour gassed and legendaries Jared, was there
- 58:11anything in this that you felt stood out Well, I mean stuff
- 58:17that we've talked about before is like, the new cosmetic stuff
- 58:19that's being added, just that wasn't really anything.
- 58:22Anything new in terms of what we know about 9.1, but they did
- 58:27like Morgan they did say that, you know, they're they're adding
- 58:32more stuff into into tour, gas cosmetic wise, which that's
- 58:36something that I was like, definitely pushing for.
- 58:38And we're going to see at least a little bit more stuff added so
- 58:42that that was a huge win for me. And I guess like the the other
- 58:49thing that kind of really stands out is that they're not adding
- 58:55leveling to tour guests and I'd one which is something that I
- 58:58think had been had been mentioned as like a strong
- 59:02possibility but not confirmed a hundred percent but Morgan just
- 59:06shot it down in this interview and I thought that was really
- 59:09interesting. Yeah it's it's something I hope
- 59:13that comes in, like nine point one point five.
- 59:15When they do like because they have their, like content patches
- 59:17and they have their system patches.
- 59:18So I wish it was in this, but I hope that it comes in, nine
- 59:22point, one point five, I, I think that that was a stronger
- 59:28push at the beginning of the expansion.
- 59:31When people love tour, gas and became less of a bush when
- 59:34people kind of got sick of door gasps.
- 59:35But if they get the setup changed for tour, gas, and it
- 59:40becomes like the fun experience. Again, I think people are going
- 59:44to be clamoring for it. It's more, I guess, the last
- 59:47thing that like for this, that really picked it up the piqued.
- 59:50My interest was the confirmation that they're going to be adding
- 59:54in bonus objectives. I'm so happy for that.
- 59:58Yeah, I hope that with these with these bonus objectives, you
- 1:00:03have to complete like maybe one or two to get the five-star and
- 1:00:06if you just do a normal run and you ignore bonus objectives, you
- 1:00:10can get a four-star and move on to the next part but like, Doing
- 1:00:15the five star means completing a bonus objective, with enough of
- 1:00:19everything else that you would normally do.
- 1:00:20Like, don't get a bunch of deaths, don't don't go to slowly
- 1:00:25sort of stuff, and he had said and rightly so that you can't
- 1:00:30entirely ignore speed in the sort of Mastery things.
- 1:00:36Like I think it should be possible for you to get a three
- 1:00:40star while going very slowly, but by completing Everything
- 1:00:46right? Get it.
- 1:00:47When you're just getting your lay of the line be like, okay
- 1:00:49I'm gonna go through. I'm going to complete everything
- 1:00:52going to kill every enemy. I'm going to check every nook
- 1:00:53and cranny and that should get you a relatively good score.
- 1:00:59But right there are certain powers that I think become far
- 1:01:04more sought-after. If you do have sort of, like I
- 1:01:09can't be taking my sweet time doing everything like When it's
- 1:01:15like, oh, those guys have anima, if you're doing, if you don't
- 1:01:19care how long you take and you just feel everything, right?
- 1:01:23And you takes a slow time to kill everything, then that power
- 1:01:26means nothing. But if you are like, okay, it's
- 1:01:30going to take me a little bit to kill these things.
- 1:01:32I'm not super gearing it right now.
- 1:01:35I can pick and choose the ones that I want to kill because
- 1:01:37those have the power and then that will help me snowball into
- 1:01:41into a higher streak that power becomes more sought-after.
- 1:01:44So, I think it's best to like include some element of it.
- 1:01:48Just not make this Mythic plus tour guest Edition.
- 1:01:51Yeah, yeah, for sure. And like, here's, here's the
- 1:01:56thing like people because I've seen I've seen complaints about,
- 1:02:01you know, turning turning tour gas into just speedrun, this
- 1:02:07speedrun Tower. Here's, here's my argument.
- 1:02:14Why You want to go faster into our guess.
- 1:02:17Why wouldn't you want to get through?
- 1:02:21Like I get wanting to explore, you know every floor.
- 1:02:24Every time you go in like having that be a gameplay, that should
- 1:02:27be something that you should be able to do and be rewarded for
- 1:02:30it. And here's the other, the other
- 1:02:32catch to that, is that something else that Morgan said, is that
- 1:02:37they're their design philosophy with to Our Guest, was to make
- 1:02:41it to where you still get the reward.
- 1:02:45That you go into Tory, asked for no matter, you know, what you
- 1:02:48do. So you're still going to get get
- 1:02:50so less, you're still going to get so cinders And the other
- 1:02:56thing is that they're making it to where you can do multiple
- 1:03:00runs. So if you want to do the, the
- 1:03:03slow methodical clear. Literally everything on every
- 1:03:06floor method, you can do that and if you don't get the, you
- 1:03:11know, the maximum amount of celestial or Soul senders that
- 1:03:15you would be able to get otherwise, you can go in again,
- 1:03:21then you can do it and still get rewards from it.
- 1:03:24And Is the amount of chances for getting cosmetics and stuff like
- 1:03:28that. So if that's if that's what
- 1:03:30you're going in the door. Yes.
- 1:03:31For you'll still have that. You'll still be able to progress
- 1:03:35but for people that just want to get the, you know, the one, the
- 1:03:41one run done, right? Why wouldn't you want to go
- 1:03:46faster? Why wouldn't you want to you
- 1:03:49know, to improve your your time, you're clearing methods.
- 1:03:54Like why wouldn't you want to do that?
- 1:03:56So I think I think the the answer is there's a difference
- 1:04:00between somebody electing to do that to be like okay let me just
- 1:04:04push through this quick right and somebody who feels forced to
- 1:04:08do it because there will be times where like I'm running
- 1:04:11through Tor gas and I'll be like oh this is this is a new Wing
- 1:04:15that they opened up. 9.1. Let me let me channel dungeon
- 1:04:19fables and look up and see like the new cool stuff there, right?
- 1:04:23Or like, oh man, that is a wicked looking enemy.
- 1:04:27And like, what in the world does this guy do like?
- 1:04:30Let me see if I can like mind control him, and run him around
- 1:04:34and stuff and it's not the most efficient use of your time,
- 1:04:36right? But like it's something that
- 1:04:38you'd be like, oh, let me like this seems really cool.
- 1:04:40I want to try this out when you are when you're feeling the
- 1:04:44pressure of a ticking time that like eliminates a lot of the
- 1:04:49thought processes that people could enjoy by going through at
- 1:04:53their own pace, like, setting your own pace is different than
- 1:04:56having the pace set for you. Yeah, yeah.
- 1:04:59It's a good point. And I do understand that but At
- 1:05:05the same time, I'm just like at this point in the expansion,
- 1:05:08like with with the the time that we've had to spend into our
- 1:05:11guest, I'm just like, why wouldn't you want to just rip
- 1:05:13the Band-Aid off and get through as quickly as possible?
- 1:05:15I don't understand. Well, then again, the trying to
- 1:05:19make it so that it's no longer a chore gassed right now.
- 1:05:22Like it was just being called, it's now is now going to be
- 1:05:24something that you enjoy doing and apparently multiple times,
- 1:05:27like you had said in this latest build, you get a bunch more
- 1:05:31animal that you would normally get on your first run.
- 1:05:34And you can run through the same layer, same floor again or and
- 1:05:40through other same layer, same Wing again and then get some
- 1:05:44rewards each time you run it. Not the same as the first time
- 1:05:48but you can. Now if you so chose being like,
- 1:05:51okay, I want to get my legendary because I got my Warlock and I
- 1:05:54ran through these two because they Callie helped me here and
- 1:05:58and Jenny helped me here. Well Sturm says, he'll run me
- 1:06:02through and then you can go through.
- 1:06:04Third rotten, and a fourth run and so forth.
- 1:06:06And like, if you so choose to grind it all out, you could get
- 1:06:09a legendary on week 1. You're no longer gated by like,
- 1:06:13I have to do week 8 and it means that you're not going to have a
- 1:06:18hard falling behind because congratulations you no longer
- 1:06:23you. No longer have a if I missed it
- 1:06:26this week I'm never going to catch up moment and I think
- 1:06:29that's a big part of making to our guests feel a lot better on.
- 1:06:33All fronts. Yeah, and they're also, you
- 1:06:36know, increasing the amount of so lash that you get per per
- 1:06:41Wing that you complete. So it's not even that you can
- 1:06:45play Just for doing a run, you just get more consumption.
- 1:06:48So lash out of part, a partial runs now is, which is great.
- 1:06:51It's no longer pass fail dichotomy.
- 1:06:54You can get a partial reward for a partial run.
- 1:06:57Yeah, which is good, it's always going to be good.
- 1:07:01So talk a little bit about class, Here, there were some
- 1:07:05like specific things that were in there, but just in general, I
- 1:07:09think that the two main points was that the team realizes that
- 1:07:14they can't just adjust numbers because that pushes out other
- 1:07:17specs out. Like, if you suddenly become the
- 1:07:21DPS that that's melee and brings the highest DPS while suddenly
- 1:07:27Unholy warlocks or sorry not, sorry, Unholy death, Knights get
- 1:07:33knocked out of That spot. And if you then pump up another
- 1:07:38another spec. Well, then it just again, it
- 1:07:41creates a domino effect and you're not, you're just
- 1:07:43replacing one person's problem and giving it to another person
- 1:07:46problem. So, I am really glad they
- 1:07:49realize that, and that means that we're going to get classes
- 1:07:52that are roughly the same DPS. Hopefully, a lot closer than
- 1:07:55they were in Matthew progression in that.
- 1:07:59But also bringing niches and that was Sickly where their
- 1:08:05second Point came from where it's like the team wants every
- 1:08:09class to bring unique parks to parties, right?
- 1:08:12There's clearly more work to be done done there, but that is
- 1:08:16stuff where we have already seen it in the 9.0.
- 1:08:18Where, hey, let's put together a party to take advantage of the
- 1:08:24wind Fury told him that the Enhancement Shaman brings.
- 1:08:26Let's make sure that like we have that DK with the anti magic
- 1:08:30Zone because that helps us through Let's make sure that we
- 1:08:34are bringing demon Hunters further debuff and monks for
- 1:08:39their debuff because that's like an extra 5% physical and Magic
- 1:08:44damage, like those sort of things are great, they want to
- 1:08:47make sure that it's not all the same cookie cutter.
- 1:08:50Like I bring Mark of the wild and I being Arcane Brilliance
- 1:08:54right? So I'm glad that they're doing
- 1:08:56it doing that and I think they're doing a lot better with
- 1:09:00those because I love rallying cry when we didn't have our war.
- 1:09:03Because warriors were feeling bad about their DPS and we
- 1:09:06didn't have their Warriors that that hurt and let's not forget
- 1:09:12our when we went and did certain bosses on farm and suddenly hey
- 1:09:18we can't do the traps and clear them out because we don't have
- 1:09:21the Warriors doing there's been the win on artificer sidewalks
- 1:09:25and then we suddenly had to relearn the fight with like oh
- 1:09:27these are a mechanic we have to worry about now.
- 1:09:29Oh no, I'm a definite with anti magic show.
- 1:09:32I have to What do you want me to do now?
- 1:09:36Yeah, I have to pop that and then run over the trip.
- 1:09:38Oh, this is gonna go terribly. Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and
- 1:09:44gentlemen. It went horrendously.
- 1:09:49Now, we, we did find picking it back up and stuff, but but yeah,
- 1:09:53like having having classes that have, you know, certain unique
- 1:09:56things is something that I have been wanting, you know, for a
- 1:10:02very long time. It's it like Truth, be told,
- 1:10:04that's one of the things that I'm most excited about TPC is
- 1:10:07because like, that, that was the design philosophy of having, you
- 1:10:12know, classes and specializations being something
- 1:10:17unique, that brought something to the table that made raid
- 1:10:23leaders and and you know, people trying to put dungeon parties
- 1:10:27Together made you think about what you are bringing to the
- 1:10:30table. There are certain extent.
- 1:10:32Some people just brought damaging Image and to those
- 1:10:34Rogues, I surely you or the or those Hunters because, you know,
- 1:10:40Hunters are anyway. But yeah, I like the more that
- 1:10:47they do on that front, I think the healthier the reigning
- 1:10:51environment will be in the long run because like if you if you
- 1:10:54have essentially, you know, 36 classes but you know, 26 of
- 1:11:01them, do the exact same thing. Your The in this position in a
- 1:11:05position where 10 specs are bringing the specific thing that
- 1:11:11you want and then you have 10 spots on your raid team.
- 1:11:15I mean, looking at Mythic you have ten spots on your red team
- 1:11:18that you can just fill with whatever, right?
- 1:11:22So you just fill those ten spots with just whatever the highest
- 1:11:25DPS is at the time and you don't care what their utility is.
- 1:11:29So if you put more utility more unique utility I should say,
- 1:11:34Into the into the class design then you make it to where now
- 1:11:38it's like you have 15 different spots that that you can play
- 1:11:44around with utility that you're bringing and then the other five
- 1:11:47you can just put in generic High DPS here.
- 1:11:52I think that I think one thing that they do need to look at is
- 1:11:56that I understand that they don't want to do spec specific
- 1:12:01boost in many cases. There are some exceptions As I
- 1:12:04just mentioned, the wind Fury totem and how Elemental doesn't
- 1:12:07bring that, but I think they have to look at maybe
- 1:12:11role-specific Buffs. Like, I think that there are
- 1:12:15issues where it's like, oh, hi. I'm a wind walker Monk and I
- 1:12:20bring current touch. Yeah, but so does our
- 1:12:23Brewmasters. So sorry, man, we don't need
- 1:12:25you, right? Or you have a let's say a
- 1:12:31pharaoh Druid under like, hey, Hey, I bring Roar and they're
- 1:12:35like yeah, but so does the Resto Druid.
- 1:12:39So hit the bench, right? I think at certain point they
- 1:12:42have to like look at where the competition lies and be sort of
- 1:12:46like, okay let's let's give a little bit of a help here and
- 1:12:50here, especially when they jump between different roles because
- 1:12:53like again, range DPS, being more preferred than melee.
- 1:12:58Are you really going to bring? Let's go back to feral Druid.
- 1:13:01Are you really going to bring the feral Druid when the boom
- 1:13:03can? Bring it and stay safe from a
- 1:13:05distance. So in certain cases, they kind
- 1:13:08of have to look at that as well. I don't mind of all Rogues are
- 1:13:11bringing some sort of utility. They're like they all have their
- 1:13:16like cloak of Shadows so that they can immune something,
- 1:13:19right? And you also like going back to
- 1:13:22even the preach Ian interview from last week like all right, I
- 1:13:28guess two weeks ago, I had a hard time, you know, it's been a
- 1:13:30bit. It was too weak.
- 1:13:32We covered it last week. Rather we covered it earlier
- 1:13:35this week as we threw out that bonus episode, right?
- 1:13:37But it was actually a week prior to that because there was that
- 1:13:42missed episode for the center jaw send-off but we covered it.
- 1:13:46Just this just earlier this week.
- 1:13:48Yeah, so like going back to that like Ian said, that part of the
- 1:13:54problem with the disparage or disparity between ranged and
- 1:13:58melee DPS, is that just encounter design in general
- 1:14:02favors? Encounter design in general, in
- 1:14:06the past, his favored range, DPS over melee DPS.
- 1:14:13It's just been a lot of like bar boss proximity-based mechanics,
- 1:14:18that automatically just by the nature of the design of the
- 1:14:23encounters exclude male ebps from being something that is
- 1:14:27able to be to, you know, you can have literally, whatever number
- 1:14:33of of melee DPS, you want because you know, when you have
- 1:14:38things that are based on proximity to the bus Which a lot
- 1:14:43of mechanics are you just make it harder to have more melee DPS
- 1:14:50and so them moving in a direction away from, you know
- 1:14:57stuff that would exclude a whole lot of melee DPS from from
- 1:15:03entering red teams like that also is going to help with this,
- 1:15:09you know, balancing issue that we have.
- 1:15:11Yeah, for sure. And there's there's a lot that
- 1:15:13needs to go into the re-design to help with class balance.
- 1:15:18They are literally not separate things because if you have
- 1:15:23anything that's like, hey everybody needs to spread away
- 1:15:25from each other. Well, then can only have so much
- 1:15:28melee before they get to clumped and that's a problem or if they
- 1:15:33have the same thing where everybody The spread it's not
- 1:15:37just affecting melee. There are certain healers that
- 1:15:39are better at AOE healing versus healers that are spread Helo
- 1:15:43spread healers and they might have an issue, you might have
- 1:15:46it. This priests who doesn't care if
- 1:15:48people are spread away from them as long as they have the
- 1:15:50atonements up versus a Resto Shaman, who's like, I you're too
- 1:15:55far apart. My chain heal, doesn't do
- 1:15:57anything and I can only catch to people with my like Healing
- 1:16:00Rain, that sort of stuff. Yeah.
- 1:16:02So there's a lot that goes into that design.
- 1:16:05And I Hi. It is intertwined with class
- 1:16:08balance but talking about raiding.
- 1:16:12They then went into rating and Jared like what are the points
- 1:16:16that you think were were noteworthy in their rating
- 1:16:20discussion? I mean, the kid I can I say the
- 1:16:26there's one one particular note that I think I think it's safe
- 1:16:32to say is Maybe spoilery. You can see this the bow
- 1:16:38spoiler. Yes.
- 1:16:39Okay. And what will mortgage is a big
- 1:16:42warning for everybody. Spoiler skip ahead, 30 seconds
- 1:16:47Morgan day himself said that we will be looting, so viruses bow
- 1:16:55from her corpse. He said that those words, those
- 1:17:00are the words he used specifically in this interview
- 1:17:03that was sanctioned by blizzard. That's that's the words he used.
- 1:17:09So what read into that? What you want read about you on?
- 1:17:15Well, when we get closer to actually seeing the raid and and
- 1:17:20actually see if he's, you know, just being dramatic or Or if
- 1:17:28there is some, you know, shred of truth to this will have a
- 1:17:33more in-depth discussion about it but like come on this raid,
- 1:17:38the Savannah straight continues to be a big mystery.
- 1:17:42They haven't tested it on the PTR.
- 1:17:44They have more testing coming for for the raid and they are
- 1:17:50testing the nine. Yeah.
- 1:17:52Today they are testing the nine today, which is Thursday.
- 1:17:56Day. There are also testing another
- 1:17:59heroic boss that they had issues with, but no Cervantes.
- 1:18:02Then they're moving into Mythic bosses just like you and I had
- 1:18:05said from our press references. So Friday, no jumping into
- 1:18:10Mythic bosses, no sign of testing Sylvanas, which I like
- 1:18:17it, it definitely gets me more hyped about.
- 1:18:20It's like what are you hiding? What's going on here?
- 1:18:22What do you think? You're gonna know?
- 1:18:23But same time, I have seen them. Not Bosses and then the test
- 1:18:28becomes those poor guys and rates of old first that are
- 1:18:31like, this is broken and they have taught fix it as they go to
- 1:18:36feel like at this point like the the dev team like they've
- 1:18:40definitely gotten better at hot fixing red stuff on the fly.
- 1:18:44Like it's, it's got to be frustrating for those teams that
- 1:18:47are, that are pushing, you know, world first.
- 1:18:50And, and like, I feel somewhat bad for them.
- 1:18:55But like, at the same time, I'm like I don't because I would
- 1:19:00much rather not be spoiled on something, super huge like this.
- 1:19:03And it's possible that they do have something planned to do
- 1:19:08some sort of testing on Sylvanas, but have it be
- 1:19:12incredibly restricted in holding in what's being tested, right?
- 1:19:17So, and like exactly, like they're doing internal team
- 1:19:20testing. They absolutely are doing
- 1:19:21internal team testing but something else that that Like in
- 1:19:27terms of rating that I thought was particularly noteworthy, is
- 1:19:34that he said, there is no Mythic only phase for Sylvanas.
- 1:19:40There is only the one fight. There is no additional phase.
- 1:19:45What we're gonna get is what we're going to get.
- 1:19:47Everyone's going to get it. no mythical only face-first of
- 1:19:52Artemis and he went into a little bit of detail as to like
- 1:19:57why that is in the interview but to basically to summarize it
- 1:20:03it's that they they feel like if they're if they're putting story
- 1:20:07elements into into a raid that everyone should be able to
- 1:20:14experience those story elements and not feel like they're
- 1:20:18missing out on something because this One of the biggest
- 1:20:21criticisms of Mythic only phases like, as long as they've been in
- 1:20:26the game. Yeah, I mean, yes, the Cho Gall
- 1:20:30being Mythic only and then never see him again in the rest of
- 1:20:33Warlords of Draenor. Yes.
- 1:20:36Yes. That's a big biggest offender
- 1:20:38the demon within for Legion I thought was a very cool effect
- 1:20:43but didn't exactly change the story.
- 1:20:45So I think that's the best one in terms of like not messing up
- 1:20:49with the story with a Mythic only.
- 1:20:50Face. It's like in the non Mythic hey
- 1:20:53Ellen's Soul comes back and we're all good and a Mythic,
- 1:20:56only stuff goes wrong before that point and this is an extra
- 1:21:01little wrinkle that is very, very cool effect.
- 1:21:03I still can't solo him because parasite worms.
- 1:21:07Anyway. Yeah, aside aside from that,
- 1:21:13like they, he talked a little bit about like weapon tokens and
- 1:21:17how like it worked as Intended it to work, but that they were
- 1:21:24definitely not looking to repay to replicate the, the gas on
- 1:21:30after your weapon token system. But probably probably like the
- 1:21:38bigger issue is that they said that they were pretty happy with
- 1:21:44where the loot table was and that they would maybe only be
- 1:21:48adding like a handful of weapons to the last two bosses just for
- 1:21:53specs that didn't have something on the loot table for the last
- 1:21:59two by sixes. The last two bosses drop
- 1:22:00increased item level items. So And currently as of today as
- 1:22:09as of recording right now on the PTR.
- 1:22:13The only ranged weapon in the entire instance is so vanes is
- 1:22:18Bo. That's it.
- 1:22:20That's the only range weapon. So obviously they're going to be
- 1:22:24changing and changing that because they didn't like the
- 1:22:27fact that there were certain bosses that were weapon bosses,
- 1:22:29that drop that anima token, that everybody was after everybody.
- 1:22:33Wanted to hit up the vow our, or Dark vein, right?
- 1:22:37Or then go go all the way to like the last two bosses.
- 1:22:42Before you got another chance at a weapon token, so they didn't
- 1:22:46like that. And with bosses now, going to
- 1:22:49have loot spread over the different encounters.
- 1:22:54Having different weapons on there.
- 1:22:56That should be a lot. Lot easier when you're not
- 1:22:58competing with everybody and their and their Uncle to get
- 1:23:02that like one token, which I never got Until this week, which
- 1:23:08one I got it this week, I had already upgraded my like Mythic
- 1:23:12plus weapons to be better. Super annoying.
- 1:23:18And the hilarious thing is that I've gotten three to twenty
- 1:23:22weapon tokens in the last two weeks.
- 1:23:26This show is over, moving on domination sockets.
- 1:23:33They've explained. Sorry, this has been explained a
- 1:23:36little bit more. He stopped laughing.
- 1:23:38You all right, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's just too funny.
- 1:23:44Domination sockets have been explained a little bit more.
- 1:23:49Basically, they're going to drop in the raid, you kissed the
- 1:23:55gear. Sorry, the gear in the raid will
- 1:23:56drop that can allow you the socket in these domination
- 1:24:00shards. There's going to be five
- 1:24:02domination sockets that are spread amongst the gear.
- 1:24:05And these assault. These gems are going to come in
- 1:24:08three different flavors, blood Frost and Unholy.
- 1:24:13For those paying attention, those are the three different
- 1:24:16types of death Knights specs. So I think that's a great little
- 1:24:20flavor set up that like just sort of lines up nicely.
- 1:24:24The each of them will have individual bonuses and those
- 1:24:28individual bonuses will work, not only in the raid, but
- 1:24:31outside of the raid but what will make them better is that
- 1:24:35there will be socket bonuses? That if you equip three of the
- 1:24:41same type, you will get an additional bonus that will only
- 1:24:44work inside the sanctum of domination rate.
- 1:24:48And I think that's really cool because that means that you can
- 1:24:52have three gems of a specific type to get you the bonus that
- 1:24:57you want and still hit the best of the other to whether that is
- 1:25:02another to of Unholy. And then you have three Frost
- 1:25:06for the bonus because the frost bonus is great or you have like
- 1:25:09one and Holy One blood and three Frost to get that Frost bonus
- 1:25:12and still get the best on holy and best blood one.
- 1:25:15I think that is a great system. To like it's basically a set
- 1:25:20bonus but done in a unique way. Yeah and it's kind of universal
- 1:25:25to write like having it having it be something that like
- 1:25:29literally everyone's going to have.
- 1:25:31And also giving giving Raiders like a reason to go in the raid
- 1:25:36specifically to get this this, you know, equipment like It's
- 1:25:44something. It's something that I've been
- 1:25:45very much looking forward to, and something that I feel has
- 1:25:49been missing with the exclusion of set bonuses for such a long
- 1:25:54time. Is that like the set bonuses or
- 1:25:56something? You can only get in the raid and
- 1:25:58set bonuses have the, you know, the added problem of you get,
- 1:26:02the set bonuses from The Raid, you take it into PVP, you take
- 1:26:05it into into, Mythic Dungeons and a lot in most cases you're
- 1:26:12just going to You know, stop through, you know, whatever,
- 1:26:16just because of the extra benefit that you get from those
- 1:26:20bonuses. So having it be something that
- 1:26:24gives you a bonus that you can use outside of the raid but
- 1:26:27making it even more powerful within the rate itself is
- 1:26:30something that is choice and something that I hope that they
- 1:26:34find a way to continue to do in later.
- 1:26:39Iterations of raid gear. Yeah, I got to agree with you
- 1:26:42there. It is the, the balance I hadn't,
- 1:26:46like, it's a balance. We were talking about we're
- 1:26:49like, hey, Ray gear is better in the raid, right?
- 1:26:53It still gives you some Advantage elsewhere, but it's
- 1:26:55best in rating. And this one where I had said,
- 1:27:00okay? What if the effect is, this is
- 1:27:02better, the larger party. You have was like that they had
- 1:27:05come up with. This one is actually pretty much
- 1:27:09more elegant because now I'm thinking and I'm like, oh man, I
- 1:27:12got like, let's say I get a piece of gear outside of the
- 1:27:16raid that has an idol of, like let's say, 713 item levels
- 1:27:21higher, but because it comes from outside of the raid, it
- 1:27:25doesn't have that socket. Right?
- 1:27:29Which means that I'm losing the bonus of that Shard.
- 1:27:32And then I've got to like way if this is going to work or not,
- 1:27:36and it may be that outside of the raid, the bonus by itself,
- 1:27:40isn't enough to make up that 39mm level difference, but
- 1:27:44inside the raid with the with not only the bonus from The
- 1:27:48Shard itself, but the the three set bonus for having 3 shards of
- 1:27:53the same same, type it out, ways that 13 item level bonus and
- 1:27:57like they can, Bouncing right for that who that's going to be
- 1:28:01so much fun. But I'm going to head off the
- 1:28:04complaints now because there are going to be people going and
- 1:28:08say, blizzard come on, I have to have one set of rate.
- 1:28:11Raid gear one set of Mythic plus gear one set of PVP gear.
- 1:28:16Yes, congratulations. You have found the complaint.
- 1:28:19Everybody is going to see coming.
- 1:28:25I had something clever that I was going to say to add in, but
- 1:28:29that is just completely Evaporated out of my mind.
- 1:28:33So maybe I'll come back later but it was something to do with
- 1:28:39With gear and and being not not being, you know, if moving on.
- 1:28:49Alright. Alright, so I'm going to talk
- 1:28:52about this one, even though I've been monologuing a bit because
- 1:28:54Mythic plus is my baby. It is your baby.
- 1:28:56I got to monologue about burning Crusade at the top of the show.
- 1:29:00You, you can have this monologue.
- 1:29:01It's fine. All right.
- 1:29:02Thank you, thank you. So Mythic plus they talked about
- 1:29:07that a bit there. Looking at it.
- 1:29:09Iterations on how to acquire Keys, super, happy about that.
- 1:29:12You and I were talking about that because we had a listener
- 1:29:15question, so it is on the minds of people and we had some ideas.
- 1:29:19I want to see what they come up with themselves.
- 1:29:21They also said that they were going to put in bonus Valor
- 1:29:26that's going to be rewarded to all players in a Mythic plus
- 1:29:30dungeon. If completing that dungeon
- 1:29:34increases the reward of at least one of the players.
- 1:29:39Evolved in that run. And this is what I'm talking
- 1:29:42about when I was talking about them, taking Mythic plus into
- 1:29:47the game and then because it's in the game, they can create
- 1:29:50things that will push people towards social niceties.
- 1:29:55This Jared I were talking about before Jared, you were saying
- 1:29:58like, hey like this is going to push people boosting and I said
- 1:30:02yeah it would but more importantly it's going to be
- 1:30:06that the pickup groups are going to be like yeah.
- 1:30:08You know what? He's done a 14, or he's done a
- 1:30:1115, but it hasn't been in time. Let's take him because we can
- 1:30:15carry him, and then I'm gonna get bonus Valor for myself.
- 1:30:17It incentivizes those groups. So suddenly we're not going to
- 1:30:20have people looking for like 18 K or 1800 IO score to to get
- 1:30:27into my plus 2 or don't even bother applying, right?
- 1:30:31Like it it actually creates an a incentive against that also
- 1:30:36means that if they include these Incentives.
- 1:30:40There, there are going to be times where people are like,
- 1:30:43okay, you know what, like I'm going to jump into a group,
- 1:30:48where a bunch of people like. Yeah, they've completed just
- 1:30:53below that and I'm going to be a heavy hitter in that group
- 1:30:55because I get bonus Valor. Remember, it's bonus valor's.
- 1:30:58Sorry rather Valley right now is like 135 regardless of the level
- 1:31:01you to write. So maybe I don't need the gear
- 1:31:05that much. Maybe I'm really focused on The
- 1:31:07Valor. I'm gonna go.
- 1:31:09Throw around my e-peen and then carry these guys.
- 1:31:13So not like I get something out of it.
- 1:31:16Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:31:18And it like On the note of like boosters like the whole boosting
- 1:31:25trade in general ultimately I think them adding in, you know
- 1:31:30the Mythic plus scoring system and you know the these extra
- 1:31:34incentives is actually going to hurt the boosting community in
- 1:31:40general because like a lot of people are going to to realize
- 1:31:46that it's much more. Lucrative for them to help out
- 1:31:52other people below them. In terms of score, it's going to
- 1:31:59be it's going to be more lucrative for you to help other
- 1:32:02people to to, you know, raise race to their ranks because then
- 1:32:07you can, you know, take you know, your gains from that and
- 1:32:10turn it into, you know, higher level Loop which means you can
- 1:32:13help more people raise their score, right?
- 1:32:18So I think that, you know, it's too early to tell, you know, how
- 1:32:25how it's going to affect the overall, you know, environment
- 1:32:29of Mythic plus as we know it today.
- 1:32:31But I think I think I agree with you that it's probably going to
- 1:32:35see a lot of good come out of changes like this.
- 1:32:39Yeah, so he also said that like there will be more stuff coming
- 1:32:43in the future, a Mythic plus Hall of Fame.
- 1:32:46Sounds awesome in this pattern. In this patch, there's already
- 1:32:50being dungeon, teleports if you like go beyond a 15 and get 20s
- 1:32:55done, if you get a 20 done in each dungeon, You're going to
- 1:32:58get a Teleport to that dungeons Hearthstone, which is flat-out
- 1:33:03right out of, Mists of Pandaria challenge modes and I love it.
- 1:33:06I want it. I don't know if I am going to be
- 1:33:09able to convince Johson everybody to like, push up to
- 1:33:1120, but the carrot is there. Yeah, definitely definitely.
- 1:33:19So then from here we got some miscellaneous stuff and Jared.
- 1:33:22Do you want to go through anything that you thought was
- 1:33:24great? Yeah, so the basically confirmed
- 1:33:30that there's going to be additional ketchup Mechanics for
- 1:33:34renowned ketchup, which given what I said at the very top of
- 1:33:40the show, before we started about TV.
- 1:33:41See, I don't really I think is that necessary.
- 1:33:47Like the biggest the biggest hurdle is just going through the
- 1:33:52story quests again like the campaign quests because it just
- 1:33:57takes time. And they are adding a skip for
- 1:33:59the for the campaign, though. And this is something that I
- 1:34:03kind of have a little bit of a problem with is that the skip
- 1:34:08that they have for going through the the 9.0.
- 1:34:15A renowned campaign just makes you miss out on all of the the
- 1:34:22anima that you would have been rewarded from it.
- 1:34:25Pick your boy but man, that's I mean that's that's just how it
- 1:34:28is on the PTR it very well could change by the time 9.1 comes out
- 1:34:32kind of hope it doesn't. But yeah I think like my initial
- 1:34:37response to it was oh no that's gonna be awful but The other
- 1:34:45side is just like, yeah, but like it kind of them not doing
- 1:34:51that, not, you know, giving you the the anima for just skipping
- 1:34:56through the campaign story and just jumping straight into the
- 1:34:599.1 campaign, it fits. It fits the medically with the
- 1:35:04story, they're trying to tell it goes like anima is still in
- 1:35:08short supply and you know not putting in the work to do it,
- 1:35:12you know, it would make sense that you don't get the anima.
- 1:35:15For doing it. So I I'm torn.
- 1:35:19I'm torn with that, but I am not torn but I also don't agree with
- 1:35:24the reasoning. I feel that like you could write
- 1:35:27any story to justify anything. And so, when anybody ever says
- 1:35:30it fits with the story, I just go like, yeah, story, they made
- 1:35:34up that said, I do believe that if you're going to skip any
- 1:35:38everything, just like. If you wanted the, if you want
- 1:35:42the reward, do the work. That's what I'm gonna say.
- 1:35:45That's what I'm going to say, if you don't, but if you don't want
- 1:35:47to do the work, Worry about the reward.
- 1:35:49It's like you, the reward is you got to jump to the current stuff
- 1:35:53and you can build from there. So I feel like that that's kind
- 1:35:58of the philosophy that they have on the team.
- 1:36:01Now on the development team, in the reigning team like
- 1:36:04everything that goes into into World of Warcraft.
- 1:36:06They kind of share that that mentality because in the
- 1:36:11interview Morgan, you know, says they the team is walking a
- 1:36:16pretty pretty narrow. Tightrope between allowing
- 1:36:21people ketchup mechanics and Not allowing them, you know, in, in
- 1:36:30a way to, you know, not undermine the the experience of
- 1:36:35players that did go through that stuff and did put in the work.
- 1:36:39Like they don't want to cheapen the experience for people that
- 1:36:44did do those things when they're irrelevant.
- 1:36:47So yeah, it's definitely, it's a very, very thin tight.
- 1:36:55Rope to walk. Yeah, it's the same as when they
- 1:36:58have like the mount that drops off a bus, a hundred percent
- 1:37:01like until it becomes utterly farmable and then it drops
- 1:37:05through a point one percent. And I have had people complain
- 1:37:08about that and it's like, no, like, like, come on.
- 1:37:11They got to give something to those people who, like, put
- 1:37:14through the effort, it's not like you are going back with a
- 1:37:18tune at level and organizing an entire team to go chase that
- 1:37:24down. At that point, if they did that
- 1:37:26and they could be like activate time, walking time walking mode,
- 1:37:30and you did the raid like that. Then I would be then I would
- 1:37:33say, okay, sure right. Put a put, the drop rate off.
- 1:37:36So like there, again, like you said they're they're they're
- 1:37:39going across that type wrote and on one side, as a tank, full of
- 1:37:44those min-max sharks, and on the other side, there's a bunch of
- 1:37:48piranhas who just want everything that drops to near
- 1:37:51them. That's true, it's great.
- 1:37:54That's discouraging of both sides of the player base so I
- 1:37:57hope that I had that eat you guys see that?
- 1:38:00And don't send hate mail or send hate mile to each other.
- 1:38:03I'll skip each other's email addresses.
- 1:38:06I won't I won't. I'm not talking anybody.
- 1:38:11No daxing, no, dicing. So moving on, let's talk about
- 1:38:16what came on the PTR. That happened on the same day,
- 1:38:20Morgan was having this interview.
- 1:38:23The big head headliner, the tent pole of this patch was Tessa
- 1:38:30vetch. The veiled Market, finally,
- 1:38:32being playable and I haven't had a chance to jump in myself, but
- 1:38:36I have been looking at videos. What about you Jerrod have you
- 1:38:39had a chance. I've looked through the dungeon
- 1:38:43Journal, pretty extensively. Just looking for, you know, any
- 1:38:47any details that I can just for any context as to what exactly
- 1:38:55is going on in in Korea. And in this city of secrets,
- 1:39:01that we know very, very little about, like they're doing an A+
- 1:39:06job on the secrets part. I think the secret is that
- 1:39:10there's nothing there. If I could make one complaint,
- 1:39:13is that the core Thea city of Secrets from what I've played so
- 1:39:18far? Like I don't see the city, I
- 1:39:21want to see the city I want. I want more, but again, I'm only
- 1:39:25partway through going through and testing the beta storyline.
- 1:39:29So hopefully more is coming soon.
- 1:39:32We will see. But in regards to test session
- 1:39:35the veiled Market, I'm really liking What I see this actually
- 1:39:40seems like a city. It seems like this, like Port of
- 1:39:45Call and they've got markets, obviously, the veiled Market,
- 1:39:48they've got markets, they've got a menagerie where you have like
- 1:39:52a menagerie boss and all these random creatures come out and
- 1:39:54you have to, like, fight fight them down.
- 1:39:57They have the like Constable, who looks like, oh, man, I'm
- 1:40:02gonna forget this and I, this is when I'm going to get hate mail
- 1:40:07from Garrett, he's going to be like how How the hell did you
- 1:40:09forget? General Grievous.
- 1:40:11General Grievous is what this guy is.
- 1:40:13He's got like four Swords. There we go.
- 1:40:16Save myself. The hate mail from Garrett.
- 1:40:17We're good, we're good. He's got like four Swords going
- 1:40:20around and he's like, oh ho ho ho Jedi and tried to slash you
- 1:40:24all down and then disarms you, it's totally a tamas degree.
- 1:40:27Because why did I think about this before?
- 1:40:29They've got a General Grievous boss in and then in this place
- 1:40:34and entire the entire Is the entire dungeon is just
- 1:40:41light-hearted and Mary. And of course, they've got
- 1:40:46X-Men. The infinite pirate dragon.
- 1:40:48No, wait, that's not the name. It's Captain Hook tail.
- 1:40:51The if the pirate dragon. You mean, you mean Ali's
- 1:40:56infinite? Pair dragon that death?
- 1:40:57Yeah, he's gonna have a mount that's going to drop exclusively
- 1:41:00for her exclusively for her. Here you go.
- 1:41:06And and like just a lot of fun, but bosses in there and
- 1:41:11encounters, they have an entire trading Quest.
- 1:41:13Where it basically, you get given an item and you're trying
- 1:41:16to get a key and it's just like, no, I don't have the key.
- 1:41:18But if you give me that item, I'll give you this and then you
- 1:41:21get this and take it to the next guy.
- 1:41:22He's like mine. I don't have the key, but give
- 1:41:24me that item will give you this and then you're just running
- 1:41:26around trying to find her, I think.
- 1:41:28So it's a trading Quest, kind of like out of out of like, how
- 1:41:31many, like different RPGs. So you just do that and then go,
- 1:41:35That you get the key to do the next part.
- 1:41:37Yeah, so like there's certain interrupt but like there's
- 1:41:41there's this trend that's been happening the last like, two two
- 1:41:45or three years that where you're like, trading up where someone
- 1:41:48starts with, like, I want to trade up, starting from this
- 1:41:52ball of lint to a Tesla. And I think that's kind of where
- 1:41:56the inspiration for that is is is rooted like starting with
- 1:42:00just like in a random object and then trading with People
- 1:42:06different things up from from a ball of lint to a Tesla like
- 1:42:10that's, that's kind of weird. We're at see the inspiration for
- 1:42:14this pretty, pretty much. And then the one thing I have to
- 1:42:19mention and I can't believe they didn't leave the this rock band
- 1:42:23encounter. So you and your party, each grab
- 1:42:27your instruments. We got Jared on base, we've got
- 1:42:30Manny on the drums. We've got a lead uni vocals and
- 1:42:33we rock that crowd. That is an encounter in this
- 1:42:36dungeon. That's it.
- 1:42:39We are, perfect. I'm going to hunt down.
- 1:42:41I'm gonna hunt down a lie. She has to come onto the PTR
- 1:42:45with us, right? We're forming our rock band,
- 1:42:49it's happening counts as false. Sorry the the Council of Paris
- 1:42:53fall is going to rock the crowd. Perfect, perfect.
- 1:43:01We we just have to make that happen though.
- 1:43:04So this is a fun fun sounding dungeon.
- 1:43:10It looks fun. From everything that I've seen.
- 1:43:13I can't wait to jump in into this.
- 1:43:16And I think we're before, I was like, oh light-hearted and like,
- 1:43:19maybe I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna love this.
- 1:43:22I stand ugly. Only corrected I can admit when
- 1:43:26I'm wrong, I could definitely admit when Jared's wrong.
- 1:43:28I will do that multiple times, but I'm wrong this time.
- 1:43:30Yeah, I mean like the the last Mega dungeon we had the mechag
- 1:43:38on dungeon like I did it. I did it a couple of times.
- 1:43:42Like I experienced what that dungeon was, but it just when
- 1:43:50they announced it wasn't my thing because I've also really
- 1:43:53wasn't into Mythic Plus at the time, right?
- 1:43:57So like I didn't have that. Ah, to it.
- 1:44:02You play cares. And back in Legion, back in
- 1:44:05Legion. Yeah, yeah, I did so.
- 1:44:07So you did you enjoy that one? But that was, that was more of a
- 1:44:09Nostalgia Factor. Mmm.
- 1:44:11Then then going back or doing it for, you know, like gear
- 1:44:18progression or any, any sort of like, Mythic plus anything like
- 1:44:23that, that wasn't what was in it or what I was in it for, Okay?
- 1:44:28And like the only time that I've gone back There since then was
- 1:44:32actually with you for the mount which I got, I got eventually, I
- 1:44:38got eventually that was that was a kick in the pants.
- 1:44:41I did say that on this show went with you went with Jess, right?
- 1:44:46Went with my my Frost Mage friend.
- 1:44:50So I went like three times in a week and got it for my three
- 1:44:53other friends and didn't get it myself and I was so annoyed.
- 1:44:59Yeah. I'm hoping that there is a
- 1:45:04There's a couple things that were actually missing from this
- 1:45:07dungeon one is a Mount and clearly we know what, everybody
- 1:45:11wants that mount to be right clearly clearly and to is that
- 1:45:16there's no hard modes in this. And I thought the hard mode
- 1:45:20Cinema jacket gone, we're great. Yeah.
- 1:45:25So I hope they do act that in in the future just ways to do hard
- 1:45:29modes and and you know some sort of like little Mount even if
- 1:45:33they do like a thought, their Mega gone hurts.
- 1:45:36Locker was a great achievement. That people would come back to.
- 1:45:39If they couldn't do it in the same tier, it was still come
- 1:45:42back to and try and do later. So I do hope that they set that
- 1:45:46up for this dungeon. Yeah.
- 1:45:50So the next part, again, little bit of Mythic class is that they
- 1:45:54have put in the Mythic plus they have put in the Mythic plus
- 1:45:59rating system and add and have been adjusting it.
- 1:46:02Now originally, we were going to talk about this longer but
- 1:46:05looking at the time we're ready. Reaching two hours Jared.
- 1:46:10Maybe we'll do another bonus episode some time.
- 1:46:12But just going through this quickly, They have implemented.
- 1:46:17This, it is fairly blizzard, like they have an overall score.
- 1:46:25They have a dungeon score. That dungeon score is color
- 1:46:28coded. So that you go like, oh, they've
- 1:46:30done a 15 but it's grade so they didn't do it in time.
- 1:46:33Or they did a 15 and it's fully highlighted white.
- 1:46:38They have done it on time. Here's their overall score and
- 1:46:41it goes from like common uncommon rare.
- 1:46:46Our epic legendary scores for like when you're like, oh my
- 1:46:49goodness. This guy's got like 24 2400
- 1:46:52rating, his legendary mythix plus score, as well as like
- 1:46:56clearly they're putting in those social things to make you want
- 1:47:00to like have somebody increase their their score.
- 1:47:04So I think like it might become that the golden egg is that guy
- 1:47:08who has completed it before but not on time where you're like
- 1:47:11hey we can raise his score, sweet extra Rip.
- 1:47:16So like I think that it is great.
- 1:47:19I had wanted to talk a little bit about how they can take
- 1:47:23this. These things that are considered
- 1:47:25Toxic by many and make it a Force for good, but that is
- 1:47:30definitely going to be a conversation that Jared and I
- 1:47:32will have it another time. Yeah.
- 1:47:34Do you want to talk about the new conduit?
- 1:47:37I would love to well Jared you were about to say something
- 1:47:42though. Like what was that about to say?
- 1:47:43I was just going to say like I feel like having that having a
- 1:47:46conversation about the Mythic plus rating system like at this
- 1:47:49point the week that they put it into the the PTR is a bit
- 1:47:54unfair. It's like they're, they're
- 1:47:55making changes to it. Like this is something that
- 1:47:59like, are we are content creators.
- 1:48:00We are not paid to be fair. We repaid to be highly and
- 1:48:05Highly emotionally charged and quick to react.
- 1:48:09Yeah, you moderate got me. You got me.
- 1:48:12You got me there? I don't know, I don't know what
- 1:48:16else to do in the situation because I want to give it a fair
- 1:48:19Shake. I want to give it a fair Shake
- 1:48:20because like, I'm personally, someone that has de tested later
- 1:48:24Ryo for a really long time. I hate that Raider IO existed.
- 1:48:31I understood the the For a tool like that.
- 1:48:37But I always thought that having something like that, even, like,
- 1:48:42even something like like gear score back in Wrath of the Lich
- 1:48:46King, like those were things that they were useful tools that
- 1:48:50I think that weren't the best put in the hands of third party
- 1:48:59developers to, in like that we're making those tools
- 1:49:02available to people. I think that Now that blizzard
- 1:49:05is taking control of it. Now, that blizzard is doing
- 1:49:08their own thing that will invalidate Raider I/O, but still
- 1:49:12have the same general tool set that Raider.
- 1:49:16A, oh, you know, gave to the community it is going to be a
- 1:49:19lot better and is going to be something that is used much less
- 1:49:24toxic Lee throughout the community.
- 1:49:28Okay well, we'll see how it develops.
- 1:49:32Yeah. And I do look forward to Getting
- 1:49:35your full opinion and we'll see if they put croutons in your
- 1:49:37salad now. Wait that's not the analogy.
- 1:49:40Anyways, moving on, let's talk about the new conduit upgrades.
- 1:49:45So this is something that you were like sort of interested in
- 1:49:48because they they done my denarii friend.
- 1:49:51Dirty. Nobody's gonna talk to her
- 1:49:52anymore. Yep.
- 1:49:54So if you liked benari sorry you got a new crew to Pal around
- 1:50:00with. There's going to be a new
- 1:50:02reputation called the archivist codex.
- 1:50:04X and instead of farming stygian the mall you will now be farming
- 1:50:13Relic fragments that you will take to the archivists in order
- 1:50:18to turn in for the the stuff that vanara was so beloved for,
- 1:50:24which were the sockets and the conduit upgrades.
- 1:50:31I think I think this it's brilliant that they're, you
- 1:50:35know, stopping the very thing and then shifting it to another
- 1:50:41reputation thing because I personally don't want to feel
- 1:50:47like I have to go into the mod just two farm stygia, right?
- 1:50:53Like there's a lot of stuff going in to took orthia that
- 1:50:58like a lot of dailies So there's there's so much more to do other
- 1:51:04than just be in there and feel like constantly pressured by
- 1:51:10Time by, you know what, whatever anxieties you have about going
- 1:51:16into the maw like having those removed.
- 1:51:19And also having more things to do in core Thea is going to make
- 1:51:24for a much more enjoyable experience for players that are
- 1:51:28looking to upgrade. They're conduits and get these
- 1:51:34these socket. Things unlocked for their gear.
- 1:51:41So like there, It's just good, it's just good.
- 1:51:47I'm glad they're doing it. But again, I really like where
- 1:51:51this is going. Again, they've added a new
- 1:51:54rares, they've added in Treasures.
- 1:51:56So you can go get your relics from from that that you don't
- 1:51:59have the eye of the Jailer like limiting your time so that you
- 1:52:03can go around and just explore. And check out all of these areas
- 1:52:08and find these little. These little rares, these little
- 1:52:11events, these little Treasures. They have the daily visitors.
- 1:52:15Coming back. That was something that we had
- 1:52:17seen in Mecca gone where they would show up at the bar.
- 1:52:20Now, they're going to be showing, well, not those same
- 1:52:22visitors, but that same system is going to be employed in core
- 1:52:24Thea which will add different variety on top of the variety of
- 1:52:29like the world quest on top of the variety of the assaults that
- 1:52:33are going to be Covenant assaults hitting the different
- 1:52:35places and so it's going to be a lot going on that you're going
- 1:52:40to be going through. I really hope.
- 1:52:42And again I'm putting a A shout out to the world to Jeremy
- 1:52:46feasel. Come on Mr. Feasel, you can do
- 1:52:48this, the same sort of things where it's like, if this daily
- 1:52:52is up, when this assault is going.
- 1:52:55Here's an extra little thing that you can do.
- 1:52:57Or if you've completed this daily five times.
- 1:52:59The next time, this assault is up.
- 1:53:00Hey, here's an extra little thing that you can activate or
- 1:53:04like here are, here's a rare that only shows up when this
- 1:53:09visitor is going, and it will give you a hard mode of this
- 1:53:14Quest. I really loved that in Mecca,
- 1:53:16gone. And I'm really hoping that we
- 1:53:18get more of that in core Thea because the city of Secrets,
- 1:53:22having these little secrets that you did uncover as you go
- 1:53:26through sounds very apropos. Yeah, very thematic, very, very
- 1:53:31choice on point. But like the thing that I like
- 1:53:34about about this, about the archivist codex, that I, this
- 1:53:40very different from vanara is that you're going to be getting
- 1:53:43reputation for archivist. X while you're doing things that
- 1:53:48like you're just going to be getting getting it passively
- 1:53:50while you're doing things that you're going to want to be doing
- 1:53:54there. Anyway, like if you're going
- 1:53:55there to get the, you know, the the new upgradable or
- 1:54:00purchasable and upgradable Equipment though that set of
- 1:54:06gear that's coming with Corinthia, then you're just
- 1:54:09going to be, you know, by doing that getting archivist, codex,
- 1:54:12rep, passively and so, It's just an additional thing that you
- 1:54:17have that is going to be growing along with content.
- 1:54:22You're doing anyways. Yeah it's going to keep growing
- 1:54:24alongside your character. Well I mean 100% great had
- 1:54:28percent behind this because I'm a joke rafter and I need gems to
- 1:54:31sell again. And now he's like the general
- 1:54:33populace is getting these gem sockets.
- 1:54:35Not just the hardcore Raiders, man.
- 1:54:37He's going to make some Bank. Yeah, yeah.
- 1:54:41It's just good, it's good. All around.
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