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Talks to the gorgeous Craig Williams about his choice of The Mind of Evil (1/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blump. Pen knife for doing.
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  Quicker, quicker, quicker 2/1. Welcome back to our Hamster with
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  a Blump Pen Knife Doctor Who Commentary podcast.
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  You recording, John? I am recording take two.
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  Could you at the four were you? Well, no.
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  We'll see you at the end of the call.
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  If we've got something. If this episode comes out, then
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  I'll press record. OK.
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  So I do apologize for my technical ineptitude on your
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  first hand style. I don't know first, but not just
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  First Time's the first ever podcast.
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  Is it really? It is.
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  And you know, I thought I'd make things really easy for myself by
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  doing a three hour Jon Purvey story rather than a 45 minute
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  You're mad. Yes.
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  Well, as I did say on the take one.
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  I am here tonight with potentially the most handsome
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  hamster contributor I have met. That's very kind of you to say
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  thank. You.
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  You're so well, don't believe it, but that's very nice of you.
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  Well, you know, we've all got to type, you know.
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  Sorry, let's move on quick. I'm here today with Mr. Craig
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  Williams, correct? And I am deeply interested in
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  once again hearing your Doctor Who's story.
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  What was your first story? Well, you can.
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  You can tell me because you heard it 5 minutes.
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  Ago it was. It was my very I am.
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  I'm probably one of the most unluckiest fan fans in fandom
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  because I started my Doctor Who journeys with season 26, as did
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  you. But yeah, I was born in 82, so I
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  would have been 7 and 89. I remember watching my dad.
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  My very first memory is a finding.
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  What's it called? The Reverend.
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  It is Vancouver, isn't it? No, that's Van Cooper's the.
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  Michael conference Ernest. Yeah.
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  It's finding Reverend Matthews in the in the glass box
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  transformed and then when it hit, that's my very first
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  memory, the. Fella that goes, you know,
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  better than animals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. It's people don't get ghosts.
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  That's so funny. There's so many jokes.
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  There's so many jokes in it. People think it's kind of like,
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  you know, impenetrable, like techno crap.
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  But it's it's it's I think, I think it goes that's really easy
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  to follow if you just think of light as like some sort of like
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  you know guy who's cataloging you know life in the universe
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  and it's kind of and he's gone to sleep and he's kind of
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  everything's changed while he's being asleep.
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  It's. It's.
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  Once you know that it's kind of it's fine anyway.
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  I mean, what's the funniest lighting goes on then?
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  I think it's the cream. The cream of Scotland Yard,
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  Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, no.
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  Right. What about this?
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  I wanted to see how it worked, so I dismantled him that line as
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  well. We we, I always gloss over
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  Sylvester's. You know what the bit where he's
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  he's really angry and tries to banish light.
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  Even Sophie Aldridge looking at him, thinking What the hell are
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  you doing, mate? Why don't you.
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  If I get the survey light and yeah yeah that's that's only um
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  that's only second evil evil. That's a lot of time in in
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  Fenrich which is my next story and I remember Gene and Phyllis
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  coming out of the sea and I remember Nicholas Parsons
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  getting killed and and yeah and then I remember survive.
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  I remember he's getting chased by the the cheats of people in
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  the playground, but and that was it, sadly.
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  You were seven years old watching all that ghoulish
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  stuff. Yeah, well, better than
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  Coronation Street. That's very true.
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  Yeah. I came in as and I say that as a
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  big Corrie fan, but the late, the late 80s was not kind to
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  Corrie. Did you like, were you hooked?
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  As in, did you read the new adventures or did you wait for
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  big finishes or. Well, so obviously the series
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  ended and I, because I was only seven, I wasn't kind of like,
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  you know, when when's it coming back?
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  You know, I just go, oh, that was a nice problem.
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  And then in 93, I watched The Planet of the Dialects repeat
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  and that is what basically made me a fan.
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  That and Dimensions in Time. Yeah, because that was that was
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  shown, I think halfway through the repeat.
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  I think. I think, I think Doctor Who
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  wasn't that. They showed this.
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  They showed the six parts at like half seven on a Friday
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  night. Imagine that now.
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  The black and the black and white version of episode three
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  was shown on a Friday night at 7:30.
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  I spent the last time any black and white archived TV has been
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  shown on BBC1. But I remember like one week
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  they they they they left a gap because it was children in need
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  and then and they showed dimensions up.
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  So it's nice that we're doing this.
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  We're doing the mind of a because pert, we technically
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  like my first doctor. Really.
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  If if you don't count like my hazy memories of season 26.
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  Well, did you then? Did you go out and buy all the
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  videos? Yeah, I've I've bought Doctor
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  Magazine and I've missed an addition since I've got in my
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  life. It's kind of like all Doctor
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  Magazine since about late night 93.
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  And what else? Yeah, started buying the videos
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  and the first video I bought was the two doctors and then I and
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  then I made my mom and dad get get Sky so I could watch UK
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  Gold. But that didn't happen very well
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  Sunday. Morning One.
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  So yeah, it was Glen Allen. Yeah, I know.
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  UK gold The Vortex. I know.
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  Do you know what I'll be? So that was the point where I
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  was sort of, you know, going out and getting pissed down, Bryan.
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  So I'll go out, get pissed. I have a great shag.
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  Come home in the early hours of the morning and I'll be a right
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  I'll wreck. But I'd still set the alarm,
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  Yeah. But it's still watch Underworld,
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  yeah? Bloody VHS in or whatever it was
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  to record those UK going pause the the pointer in the
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  cliffhanger so on press play again after the adverts finish.
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  It will be one one thing. Oh bro.
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  You are a Pro 11. Well they used to kind of show
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  some actually show them out of sequence which kind of like
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  irritating slightly excite me program guide by then so so why
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  why are they showing the invisible enemy in horrifying
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  rock in the in the wrong order you know they should do so
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  things like that and remember 1. I think that's the point when
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  you know you're in too deep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it should.
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  So, yeah. And then and then I I never read
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  the new adventures on The Missing Adventures, but I would
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  obviously read about them in Dr. E magazine.
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  So I kind of knew that they were what were going on.
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  And then I then I got into Big Finish, but then lapsed a bit
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  when the new series started. I think a lot of.
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  A lot of people did. Yeah.
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  Yeah, we do. And what are the new series?
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  Oh, love it. Absolutely love it.
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  What? Every period.
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  This could be the test of our friendship.
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  Now, what's your favorite period of the new series?
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  Be honest. Late, late Russell Early muffin.
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  That's fair. I've been out a lot of people.
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  That's a that's a although, although I don't think I'm when
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  season five was on, I really enjoyed it.
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  But looking back at it, I just kind of go.
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  Oh really? Yeah, yeah.
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  I don't think Amy's a very nice person.
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  Ohh she's horrible. And I would, I wish she was a
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  bit more likable. But see Series 4 is just like I
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  was so excited. I mean people said ohh, yeah
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  when Russell comes back, it won't be the same as he used to
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  be. But I really wanted to be.
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  I'm a I'm a teacher. So it was lovely to see kind of
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  like kids in the playground like walking around going, you know
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  being cyber man and seeing all the pat lunch boxes on the on on
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  the, in the, in the hall, you know, because it was I, I I
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  smell that program, you know, and they're watching Sarah Jane
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  and things and it was just lovely to see.
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  And I don't, I don't get that now as as a teacher now I don't.
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  Hardly any child knows that I'm not a big shame.
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  I hope so. I really do hope so.
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  So I hope was telling me he went past his old school when he had
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  to park up and there was kids in the playground doing the zips of
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  the editors. Yeah, yeah it was it was it was
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  lovely. You see like as a as a long term
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  fan as I was then to see kind of kids doing it when kids just
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  didn't know anything about it beforehand.
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  I remember that Blue Peter and in in the kind of wilderness
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  here is where they were all dressed up as Doctor Who's and
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  they were trying to explain what Doctor Who was and you can tell
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  Richard Marson kind of like something he did you know but
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  and it was sad to go they got like explain Doctor Who now it's
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  a shame but it's just so love that you see all the kids
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  enjoying it again in 2000, 2006 seemed to be like the you know
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  when all the toys came out and all the merchandise.
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  We're skipping all the way back to 1972 today, 71 Joe, 71 Joe.
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  I was. He obviously didn't have the
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  program guy, did I? You've done a bit more
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  unearthing of facts than I have. What is your relationship with
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  John Perway? I mean, personal.
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  I know he's dead, but like, what do you think of his dogs?
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  What do you think of his era? And what do you think of Series
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  8? That's three big questions.
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  It is. Well, Series 8 is basically kind
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  of like what we see as the John Pertley years, isn't it?
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  It's season seven's kind of completely different beast.
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  And there are kind of, and I've seen it today on Twitter that,
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  you know, people still kind of think this is more of the the
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  Season 7 Pertley rather than the the more kind of pop and
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  colorful stuff which came later. I I love him.
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  I absolutely love him. He's because he's what you want
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  your doctor to be. He's completely dependent.
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  I wish Capaldi was like, was like Pertley, you know you you'd
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  hide behind him, you'd kind of can trust him completely.
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  Even though he can be a bit of a a bit of a twat who's
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  companions, especially Joe, which as we'll see today, yeah,
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  there's there's, there's a bit. Of a dossy period in it there's
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  there's a bit in episode 2 where where he speaks to Joe and I was
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  thinking you twat you know lesser and and she she's got
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  she's got unconditional love for him and she kind of put it is I
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  mean people talk about the you know the 6th doctor and Perry
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  being an abusive relationship and we need to look at the the
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  3rd but no, I I love her. I think he's amazing and
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  everything he does and even even the thing even the things that
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  kind of like the quirks you know that that they're endearing as
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  well. You know, they're the, you know,
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  the chin's stroking and the and the lying down, one leg up, one
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  leg down. You know what I mean?
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  I love it. Ohh, you could you could do a
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  drink. You could do a drinking game
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  with with with some of her stories.
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  We'd be under the table, yeah. She goes like you said.
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  He's so steadfast. You feel so, Yeah, you do.
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  You do. You'd want him to kind of like
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  take around the universe. That's why I like you.
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  Remember like the end of Inferno.
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  That entire universe just dies. I really like we couldn't save
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  the day. We're in trouble now.
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  I know. I love Inferno as well.
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  I love Season 7, even though it's kind of like it can be a
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  bit like not for kids at times. I mean ambassadors when the
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  those two men are dumped at a in a quarry and he's kind of like
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  Reagan who I who I adore by bloody love Reagan and he's kind
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  of kicking the the ballast down over the the two the two spies
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  and like ooh. He needs to stop this, right?
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  Because I had Fraser on to do ambassador to death and hearing
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  a similar accent talking about the same things because he love
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  Reagan on that sequence as well. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Well, no, I don't.
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  I don't. Well, it's a bit like I don't
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  talk to who is. Yeah.
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  But now I just think maybe not. But there, there, there is a bit
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  of gritty. It's always the word gritty,
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  isn't it? The season.
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  And they're not talking about the stuff that goes on those two
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  blocks, are they? It's like there's the kind of,
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  you know, the actual, like, metaphor for season seven being
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  gritty 2, two crooks getting buried in grit.
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  But yeah, it's always that word, gritty realism, and there's a
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  bit of gritty, really realism in this, you know, especially the
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  prison setting William Marlow is doing.
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  It is William Marlow thinks he's in a completely different show
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  because he's he's he's doing, he's doing Sweeney acting a.
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  Bit of Reagan, you know, that sort of smooth.
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  It's dangerous, but it's very cool.
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  Reagan is the boss. Yeah, I I love how he has a
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  different. I love how he's a different kind
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  of costume. Very he's he's a Baker's
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  costume. He's got his, he's got his space
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  control thing, he's got his suit.
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  But yeah, no, I like. I like Reagan.
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  I think this actually. Sorry Joel, as you.
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  As you can see, I've got my IMC mug.
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  I did have a but that's gone the same way as the color episodes.
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  I've also got the UM, the Regan's van, You know the two
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  signs with these. What's it?
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  The bakery in the in the laundry and silcock and dilcock and
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  Hayhoe. That's it.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of people talk about, you
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  know, season seven being realistic.
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  And he's got a magic van. When your parents let you watch
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  those two episodes of season 26, they had no idea how deep this
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  was going to go, did they? Don't you ever apologize for
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  interrupting me? All right.
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  You got far more interesting things to say than I'll do.
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  I was just skipping to episode one.
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  Why not? And see what this gritty story
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  has to offer. Do you know what?
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  What I was for season 7 clinical, it's quite clinical.
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  It's, it's. It's got a seriousness to it.
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  There isn't a huge amount of humor, but it is really
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  gripping. Yeah there was that you know
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  that doctor in The Third Man that was on the season 10 Blue
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  race that the documentary with it's Moffett and Gayness and
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  Matthew Sweet having a conversation, which I bloody
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  love. They do make the argument thing
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  that season 8 is the first color season in terms of kind of you
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  talk to you goes pop rather than the last season which is quite
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  dour and could be could be in black and white.
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  Season 8 is the first color series color rather than the
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  last one because everything, everything just seems to have
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  kind of like gone a bit more like just a bit less real, you
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  know even Pert was costume was kind of like being dumbed down a
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  bit. When you start tearing the auto,
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  I think it was Rob Sheerman in corridors and said it's like
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  eating a whole packet of skills. Yeah, it is.
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  He's now on the bright red he's got in this one.
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  He was the red one with the purple Cape and it's a lot more
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  like, you know, jazz hands than than Season 7.
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  And you get close of axles, and then we've skipped out of
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  reality altogether. Yeah, yeah, I know.
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  Purple knickers on Jewel. Well, I don't notice that sort
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  of thing, you know, I'm glad you're here.
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  In fact, you know what? For a 70 story, I was counting
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  the women in this, I'm like, there's Pixen.
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  Pixen Lynn as Yeah, yeah, what's the name?
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  Chin Lee Yeah, Yeah. Couple bell.
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  Fabulous Fernanda Marlow as. Yeah, and obviously Joe as well.
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  And I know it's only three, but that's more than, you know, most
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  seasons can manage. I I know, I do love the hell
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  kind of. He's called William Marlow.
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  She's called Fernanda Marlow. Or they must be married, like
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  fans about that. Kind of like, oh, yeah, yeah,
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  they must be married. You know there can't be any two
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  people who have the same name and you're not married.
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  She corrects them on the commentary.
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  She goes around like never married to.
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  The Wikipedia page says I'm married to women and I'm not.
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  But you know what? We will start this in a minute.
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  We're just having so much in it. She does say as well though that
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  she became friends with Pics and Limp and she when they they've
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  been lifelong friends ever since.
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  Stories like that. It's a bit like Barbara and
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  Jenny in Darla Convention of Earth.
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  They were busy mates for life. Amazing.
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  Well, now it's our turn after doing this commentary, you know.
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  This is where we meet. Until death do us part.
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  Oh, sorry, I'm preempting my death.
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  Let's go into episode one. Can you count us in then please?
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  Yes, 321. That was quick.
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  I wasn't ready. No, I'm ready.
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  I'm ready. Don't worry.
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  I'm in. I'm in.
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  Jesus Christ. That is the most premature.
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  No, I'm not even going there. You talk.
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  Go on, Aren't these credits lovely, Joe?
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  Oh, they're gorgeous. Talk about color.
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  Well, they were made in black and white, weren't they?
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  They were actually. And then they put a filter on
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  them. I didn't know that.
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  Yeah, yeah, you can see the original film on the spearhead.
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  Blurry. Well, there you go.
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  So you're already educated, yeah?
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  And then they use the same filters on when they've
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  colorized the trout and title sequences for the animations.
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  What do Inferno and the Mind of Evil have in common?
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  Well, I'll be interested in your ticket.
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  How do you pronounce the writer's name, Joe?
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  I think is it Horton? Well, you see I I would say, I
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  would say I would say Halton because I'll live near a a, a
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  town called Horton this spring. So when I see that word I just
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  think Horton. But I hear people on comment The
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  thing is on the commentary and on the making of there's no kind
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  of like agreement. There's Halton.
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  Some people say Halton, some people say haven't.
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  It's like Mark Gattis stroke gate.
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  Oh, yeah, I know, Yeah. Likes that though it really I
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  just think it's it's it's gatest because I've heard Mark Gatest
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  say gatest Interesting, interesting facts here.
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  John Perry or the Doctor Who kind of like from a massive like
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  you know ancient technological race of the time is absolutely
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  fascinated and tickle pink with CCTV.
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  Wow. What will they think of next?
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  I didn't think this primitive civilization reach this level.
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  Yeah, yeah. And the the photo on his ID
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  badge there is a promo shot from Terror of the Autumns.
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  Well, there you go. Yeah.
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  And I'm trying, I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be like Andrew
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  Pixley here, but I think I'm more like Andrew Ridgeley to
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  your George Michael, of course. George, I'll be in this toilet
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  over here. Oh, not in a prison.
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  It was stink. Do you know when he's there
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  during that? So, yeah, yeah, yeah, on.
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  PCTV Sarah Sutton and Janet Fielding on the behind the sofa
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  were saying he's no fun. He's got no humor to him.
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  Well, that's the kind of like a myth that needs to be debunked,
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  isn't it? But he was.
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  He was like, really like grumpy in his face.
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  But I can't. He's really grumpy in his first
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  season. But he wasn't.
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  He was kind of he was doing magic tricks and all sorts.
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  But you know, you know all this stuff in a minute.
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  Well, he's really spectacularly rude during Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. Nothing.
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  That's hilarious brilliant it's they go can I continue goes
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  yeah, of course. Yeah.
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  I imagine. I imagine that's what Pert we
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  was really like in script meetings or something you know
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  as well what have I got to say this week, Katie, You know, is
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  this Eric Mason and yeah, all that.
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  No, the Barnum is is Yeah. Who's got the most magnificent
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  cheekbones ever? He was just in power.
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  Probably have a week as well. You know, this different role.
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  I don't think he's even 40 here. Really.
• 18:30
  Yeah. It's it's Michael.
• 18:32
  There's Michael Shade. He's 33 when this was being
• 18:34
  filmed it it's true what they say.
• 18:37
  They're not people like, looked older than what they were in the
• 18:39
  60s, definitely. But I like because they because
• 18:42
  they've got to kind of show Barnum as a kind of a as an
• 18:47
  imbecile and simpleton later. They've got to make him like
• 18:49
  really, really unpleasant and violent in this first scene,
• 18:52
  just to show how evil he is before he gets his.
• 18:55
  He gets his experiment. I love how they're holding this
• 18:57
  meeting in a greenhouse. Hang on.
• 19:00
  Or a Conservatory? You don't often see a ceiling in
• 19:03
  docs for. All right.
• 19:03
  So, no. Yeah.
• 19:04
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:05
  True. True.
• 19:07
  We usually sort of short in shooting towards the walls
• 19:10
  because there is no ceiling this looks.
• 19:14
  Do you see Pert where he put his cloak on that person?
• 19:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Sorry.
• 19:19
  There's some amazing photos of this when they do this in
• 19:22
  rehearsal. And Pert was wearing the the
• 19:23
  purple kit, but he's wearing over this like yellow shirt and
• 19:26
  kind of floral cravat and I think sunglasses.
• 19:28
  I'm not, I'm not sure. But he looks, he looks the dude
• 19:31
  like. Fashion icon, I think, yeah,
• 19:33
  yeah, yeah. You know, back there there's a
• 19:36
  fellow with, Oh my God, what is called, can you help me out
• 19:39
  here? What is called here, here,
• 19:41
  Sideburns. There's a fellow there, right.
• 19:44
  And in the book, Who Killed Kennedy?
• 19:46
  Which tries to weave this characters reporter throughout
• 19:49
  all the pertly stories he's identified as that man.
• 19:53
  Really. Yeah.
• 19:54
  So there's two stories going on here.
• 19:56
  We could we could Rep con him as being Harold Chorley.
• 20:00
  If it wasn't for that, don't we? Yeah.
• 20:02
  That's a goodie. He should have appeared in,
• 20:05
  like, the Pert years. I think they've kind of put him
• 20:06
  in a big finish and set in series seven.
• 20:08
  I think lately I'm surprised. Yeah, I'll look that from Bert.
• 20:12
  We It's a policeman's helmet on a light.
• 20:16
  Yes, you are right, it is. It is it.
• 20:20
  Oh God. Yeah, it.
• 20:21
  Was funnier. That's the second attempt, yeah.
• 20:25
  Well, imagine, imagine what. What would have happened to that
• 20:27
  first one if you saw on it. Now you're talking my language.
• 20:33
  Honestly, it's not. There ain't got much gerf
• 20:35
  though, so I couldn't do much for that if I'm honest.
• 20:38
  I love how it looks like he's going to get his hair done and
• 20:40
  all. But I'll tell you in all
• 20:45
  seriousness for a second, there is a shot.
• 20:48
  From above, when he's just about to go through the process and
• 20:52
  the cameras, yeah, it's amazing, yeah.
• 20:53
  It really looks like someone's on death row.
• 20:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's writhing in pain and that
• 20:59
  and he and screaming. Like, can I ask you right, Yeah,
• 21:03
  go on. Is there with your kids?
• 21:07
  I wonder how old your kids are, 10 and four?
• 21:11
  Ten. Oh, OK, so that's two very
• 21:13
  different ages. Is there a limit of what sort of
• 21:15
  you would show them? With don't say or can I?
• 21:18
  Well, I think, I think dark water possibly across the line
• 21:21
  with all cremation stuff. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:24
  Oh, here he is getting his head on.
• 21:27
  That's that's me getting carried and get my hair cut and all.
• 21:30
  No, no. No.
• 21:32
  What are you talking about Simon Lack.
• 21:36
  He was in Androids Attara. When he he's.
• 21:39
  I'm surprised to kill him off so early.
• 21:41
  He's. Saying is he the he's the guy,
• 21:44
  he's the Princess kind of like right hand man he's got.
• 21:47
  Zardec is it? Yeah.
• 21:48
  Yeah. Zardec I yeah.
• 21:50
  Yeah, Blasio. Everyone's done other roles.
• 21:52
  This Michael Sheer, Neil McCarthy, William Marlow was in
• 21:57
  Revenge of the Sidemen and it's so sad because this William
• 22:01
  Marlow is outstanding in this Revenge of the Sidemen.
• 22:04
  It's complete non character and you wouldn't know he was in it.
• 22:07
  He's wasted completely. Yeah, that's our shot you
• 22:08
  mentioned. You know what, Craig?
• 22:10
  I knew there was something evil. I don't know.
• 22:13
  It's it's it's like they they've they've they've dyed his hair
• 22:16
  the wrong color and he's he's complaining about it Oh oh Oh no
• 22:22
  he's is this is this meant to have happened to the other guys
• 22:25
  who have had this process as well or is this like a one off?
• 22:28
  He's so evil. This is what's happened to him,
• 22:30
  yeah, because he becomes like a simpleton, doesn't he?
• 22:33
  Yeah, but he. But then he we just get everyone
• 22:35
  like phoning after him and doing jobs for him.
• 22:37
  So maybe it's not that bad after all.
• 22:39
  Might try it, you know, yeah. Casey Burley says they were
• 22:42
  falling about. When he's going around the set,
• 22:44
  it's going Dr. Summers. I'm looking for Dr. Summers.
• 22:51
  Can I ask you a question then about how serious this is all
• 22:54
  played? Like what's your preference when
• 22:56
  it comes to talk to you when it when it is sort of geared a
• 22:58
  little bit more towards adults like this?
• 23:00
  I don't like it. I like a touch of camp and
• 23:04
  frivolity is very welcome because then it's just Star Trek
• 23:07
  then and I hate Star Trek because it's just too poor
• 23:08
  faced. Where is that if you if you take
• 23:11
  this? Car Trade Podcast.
• 23:13
  You know thing is, I rarely watch anymore scifi other than
• 23:19
  who you know. Is that right?
• 23:22
  Yeah. Because because it's got that
• 23:24
  more like, you know, fun, fun aspect to it.
• 23:28
  I love it. I love the way so dismissive on
• 23:30
  There you are, you know. Look at that knows.
• 23:37
  Probably could dismiss anyone, couldn't he?
• 23:39
  Yeah, yeah. I'd like to have seen a scene
• 23:42
  with him in the Prime Minister, you know, just storming out.
• 23:47
  They done a good job on this recolorization I think.
• 23:52
  Well yeah I mean two to six there was the color recovery
• 23:57
  that with the chroma dots but the episode one and it then it
• 23:59
  turned off so there was no chroma dots episode one.
• 24:02
  So in order to this Stuart Humphreys whose Babel color.
• 24:06
  Because they have to recolor if he he colored episode one from
• 24:09
  from scratch frame by frame. Right.
• 24:12
  Really. Yeah.
• 24:13
  It it drove him around the bend, apparently.
• 24:16
  It did. And he was very, and I
• 24:18
  completely get it. He was completely he was really
• 24:20
  perturbed that he didn't get a single credit on the DVD.
• 24:24
  But yeah, but but none of. But that's the case none of the
• 24:28
  restoration team get. He got credits on the DVD.
• 24:31
  So he wasn't alone there. But they should.
• 24:33
  All they should have done, and they do in the Blue Ray booklet
• 24:35
  now, right? How does this work, Joe?
• 24:37
  This guy's been frightened to death from rats, but yet there
• 24:41
  are physical marks on his face from kind of he's got bites and
• 24:44
  scratches. Maybe he was just sort of
• 24:47
  chloroed at his face. Yeah, but not, they say later,
• 24:49
  Those marks were kind of caused by bites and scratches.
• 24:53
  I've got it, I've got it. It's what's it called, psycho,
• 24:57
  psychosomatic. So he fought it so it was so
• 25:01
  real, Yeah. Had physical symptoms, yeah.
• 25:06
  All right. OK, I love, I love how the
• 25:09
  doctor said then. Well, we should get a postmortem
• 25:11
  and the doctor goes, what a good idea.
• 25:13
  As if that's not, like part of the course.
• 25:17
  Joe, I feel like we get very different Joey in this story
• 25:19
  than any other story. Well, he's remarkably competent
• 25:22
  in this story. That's the that's the kind of
• 25:25
  argument to the fact that Joe, Joe had this three story arc and
• 25:29
  she started really ditzy and then she became like a a
• 25:31
  scientist by the end of three years in a second story, she
• 25:33
  brings down a prison riot. So you know it's.
• 25:36
  It's it's it's not I love. I love that bit of exposition.
• 25:39
  Today's the first piece come. She should have said that
• 25:41
  Screaming Brigadier is a charge of the skewed ring.
• 25:47
  It's. Got something to do with that?
• 25:49
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:50
  Oh, here he is. Here he is.
• 25:53
  Oh, look, sorry. I need to just mention Lucy
• 25:56
  McCall for a second. Yeah, yeah, Brigadier is
• 25:58
  greatest fan. Oh, isn't he handsome?
• 26:01
  It is. Words.
• 26:04
  I like how he delivers every single line, right?
• 26:06
  Totally. Seriously.
• 26:07
  But like he's about to break into a laugh any minute.
• 26:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, the the Doctor, Brigadier sings.
• 26:13
  Where the Doctor is taking the piss out of him.
• 26:16
  But he's doing it. He's not doing nasty way, he's
• 26:18
  doing it the playful way which which is lovely.
• 26:20
  And As for Mike Yates, yeah, he's he's he's terrible in this.
• 26:26
  I'm sorry. He's, well, I don't want a bits
• 26:28
  where he's sort of trying, pretending to be an action hero,
• 26:31
  going around on the bike and all of that.
• 26:32
  Yeah, yeah. He's a bit where he goes.
• 26:34
  It's, it's it's it's an aside. You're feeling normal yet it's
• 26:39
  it's looking bringing the chair out for her yeah but but she is
• 26:45
  I mean she she is she is amazing pics and then it's she just she
• 26:49
  just disappears in episode 3 and we don't she's kind of built up
• 26:52
  with that the big it's such a shame.
• 26:53
  I know she was like the the and the writer's wife and all that
• 26:56
  we got. We got a brief glimpse of
• 26:58
  Corporal Bell there as well. Shame on them for not bringing
• 27:01
  Corporal Bell back. Like they brought back Yeats and
• 27:04
  I was sure they brought back once.
• 27:06
  Yeah, well yeah, I think she. And then when they do bring her
• 27:09
  back, I think it's only in episode one of where she
• 27:12
  delivers a famous line freak weather conditions.
• 27:15
  Well, I'm going to say this. Thank goodness that Timothy
• 27:20
  Coomb or whoever Don Horton sorry was married to pick them
• 27:23
  in. Otherwise our fear we may have
• 27:26
  had because apparently there was no actresses they could find.
• 27:29
  We may have had some pretty dodgy casting.
• 27:31
  Yeah. Yeah, he's going to deliver his
• 27:34
  cut. He's going to deliver his line.
• 27:35
  Oh, look at him, man. Look at him.
• 27:38
  She's. He's feeling no one.
• 27:40
  I love how the UNIT HQ in this one appears to be on the set of
• 27:43
  Upstairs Downstairs. You live next door to Jean
• 27:46
  Marsh. On it's not even.
• 27:48
  Place this is the Ambassadorial Suites.
• 27:51
  Remember that you mentioned that later?
• 27:53
  Well, and yeah, because I suppose you wouldn't put Unit HQ
• 27:55
  in front of a player park, would you?
• 27:58
  It's a lovely street where it's a lovely St. wherever it is.
• 28:00
  This is, I think this scene is quite unusual, like her walking
• 28:03
  through the kids. It's that it's that weird.
• 28:06
  I'm going to try to be intelligent for a second.
• 28:08
  Juxtaposition between the innocence of the kids and the
• 28:12
  previous stuff. That's going on in front of the
• 28:13
  camera. That's probably a link that
• 28:16
  would didn't even enter their head, Joe.
• 28:17
  But, but, but go ahead and think of it anyway.
• 28:21
  Look we've got to give up something.
• 28:22
  Listening to this yeah. I mean I'm I'm gonna said I'll
• 28:25
  try and come out all these kind of like fresh takes off for it
• 28:28
  won't I think irreverent is going to be the tone of this of
• 28:32
  this particular edition of hamster.
• 28:35
  Well, given it's such a serious story, that might be quite fun,
• 28:37
  you know? Well, yeah, we've got, we've got
• 28:38
  to offset all the, all the grittiness with the.
• 28:42
  The grossiness yeah, with with some do entendre.
• 28:46
  Actually this is quite a clinical set.
• 28:48
  You know, maybe this is a bit season seven.
• 28:50
  Yeah. Well, you see.
• 28:52
  Well, is it there is the argument.
• 28:53
  Oh yeah, it's like a season seven story.
• 28:55
  But that's because of the prison setting, really.
• 28:59
  I mean, the kind of the actual, like the threat of the mind
• 29:02
  parasite. I don't think you would have got
• 29:03
  that in Season 7. I always think it's just like
• 29:06
  the high action content. All that works, yeah.
• 29:08
  Yeah, that's what makes me. Because season seven, and then
• 29:11
  I'll tell you what some of those sequences they stage are.
• 29:15
  It's all, it's fantastic. There's a good one later where
• 29:17
  this guy this guy just falls on the table and the table is good.
• 29:21
  He's getting his money. You know, Angele Mahindra's
• 29:24
  watching this, Yeah. And she goes back in the day,
• 29:27
  she's on the bar and it's over, yeah.
• 29:28
  Yeah, back in the day, you know that they didn't have any money
• 29:30
  to make, Doctor, you know, we've got all the budget now, she
• 29:33
  goes. I'm starting to think watching
• 29:35
  this with helicopters and seizures on prisons, that we've
• 29:38
  had the budget cut and they had the money back.
• 29:40
  It was a massive overspend. It's a shame.
• 29:43
  It's a shit. Others that's why he never came
• 29:45
  back. But it's a shame that those kind
• 29:46
  of myths of, you know, Doctor Oswalty sets, and that no money
• 29:48
  has now been kind of gone down to her generation too, and
• 29:52
  probably younger. You know, it's cheap.
• 29:54
  You know, this isn't cheap at all.
• 29:55
  This is lovely. I kind of and he.
• 29:59
  His eyes there with a sort of blue-green.
• 30:01
  They look lovely, yeah. Yeah, Bluer than Tom I want.
• 30:06
  I once worked at a school, once worked at a school, and I used
• 30:09
  to do a Doctor Who club in the kind of the height of the of the
• 30:11
  Russell T Davies era. And I there was this cleaner.
• 30:15
  I doored her. She was like, really old, like
• 30:17
  Geordie lady. And she would she want, hey.
• 30:19
  Yeah. I once met Tom Baker, you know.
• 30:21
  Yeah. The bluest eyes I've ever seen.
• 30:26
  She was a legend. I loved her.
• 30:27
  I'll. Keep hearing about these dogs
• 30:28
  who? I never had nothing like that
• 30:30
  when I was at school. Yeah, well, you're too old, you
• 30:34
  know. Did you get like much of an
• 30:35
  uptake, what, in the Doctor Who club?
• 30:38
  Oh yeah, it was, yeah, it was quite quite about 15 or so.
• 30:42
  I'm skipping over the comment you just made there about me
• 30:44
  being old, all right? No way would there have been
• 30:47
  like a Doctor Who Club in schools in the late 80s.
• 30:50
  Now listen, I'm going to contradict you there, because
• 30:52
  Jason Thompson told me on that the other day that they were
• 30:55
  watching Arkin Space when he was a nipper.
• 30:57
  And he's like that. Did you say that's canny?
• 31:03
  Yeah, Canny. I love the Northern Daleks.
• 31:07
  Yeah, canny. Canny is has different meanings.
• 31:10
  Or I think down South, if you say oh you oh, that was a bit
• 31:13
  canny, it means like, shrewd, whereas we just mean it'd be
• 31:16
  like really good. What does Connie mean then?
• 31:20
  Connie? I've not heard that before.
• 31:22
  I might be more of a Newcastle. No, no.
• 31:25
  Being very rude, maybe when maybe there was a spelling
• 31:27
  mistake and they put a 22 ends in rather than another take.
• 31:31
  I don't know. Like, yeah, yeah, it's.
• 31:33
  They're lifting his trousers up. The sit down did.
• 31:36
  You report with our Dominica really went, if I was a
• 31:39
  scientist, yeah, yeah. And he says I'm.
• 31:42
  I would have been for like thousands of years.
• 31:44
  I think that's kind of like is the Doctor.
• 31:46
  I think he's talking about the lifespan of the planet maybe.
• 31:49
  I don't know, rather than the Doctor's personal age.
• 31:53
  It's just great. I don't know.
• 31:56
  There's all this kind of archaic language in these loads of
• 32:01
  characters around. This even said come now doctor,
• 32:04
  you don't get that now. The writers of the Discontinuity
• 32:10
  Guide were there with a pencil. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:13
  Oh, come now, Doctor. Honest.
• 32:16
  I think Simon lacks about to be offed already.
• 32:18
  Sorry, I know that the machine looks a bit shit, but it's a
• 32:23
  scary idea. Of this thing does and makes you
• 32:27
  experience them and gives your heart attack and you die.
• 32:29
  The thing is though, they do it twice don't in the paper here,
• 32:32
  because in frontier in space they do exactly the same thing.
• 32:34
  Oh yeah, but it. But it's it's He's kind of like
• 32:37
  made a portable color machine. Greg, this device will go into
• 32:41
  the fear centers of your. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:45
  And then she sees a mutant. What would you see then?
• 32:49
  An empty bar. I don't know.
• 32:56
  About 2 1/2 inches, yeah, yeah. No, my heart would give up.
• 33:02
  Oh look, look, Simon. Lack is terrified of all clips
• 33:05
  from Fury From the Deep. Oh, I'm not surprised.
• 33:08
  Mr. Oak and Mr. Quill would, yeah, he's he's getting
• 33:11
  palpitations from Mrs. Harris walking into the sea.
• 33:15
  If I did this, oh, say it's a black that doesn't.
• 33:17
  That doesn't happen very often in it.
• 33:19
  Sorry, go ahead. There's a couple, actually.
• 33:20
  I did know. It's a couple of transitions.
• 33:23
  If I did this, what would you say to me?
• 33:24
  You ready? Donna.
• 33:27
  Donna. Oh, man, you're in so deep.
• 33:33
  You're in as deep as I am. It's good music, though.
• 33:38
  I loved that. I loved that the governor came
• 33:40
  in and saw the body on the front went dead.
• 33:47
  Is it a complete inconvenience to?
• 33:48
  This is literally not during my day at market.
• 33:51
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:51
  Any good at all? Not him too, but he, but a bit
• 33:56
  like the rat, he's, he's died of a fear of drowning and he's he's
• 34:00
  got water in his lungs. So, like, you know, where did
• 34:03
  that water come from? And why, when the Doctor sees
• 34:06
  the flames, does he not burn? Well, because he karate chops
• 34:12
  them when he sees them, as we'll see late.
• 34:13
  You know, Terence Dix always says he could cover these things
• 34:16
  with a line. So, But look how commanding he
• 34:19
  is here. He's fantastic.
• 34:22
  It's dangerous and it must. Be destroyed now.
• 34:25
  Must be destroyed. That was great.
• 34:29
  They really gave him a headache in his last season in the in
• 34:31
  terms of S's. We had sun torrents, dinosaurs,
• 34:34
  Daleks and Exelon and then the spiders of Metabilis.
• 34:38
  And once monster James Smith Yeah, they were just trolling
• 34:43
  him by then I. Think they probably were.
• 34:47
  Do you like the unique setup like is?
• 34:49
  Do you like. Yeah, I like Nick Corny.
• 34:54
  Yeah, I'd have been. I'd been happy with like I'll
• 35:01
  talk. I'll talk about Ben to next
• 35:03
  episode when we see him. But I mean I wish that there was
• 35:08
  like a, you know, like that in season 7 where there was a a
• 35:11
  different like captain every week always call Jimmy and and
• 35:16
  that that would be more realistic to me if you had like
• 35:18
  a kind of like a turnover stuff and not the same three people
• 35:21
  every week. And just bring in all the best
• 35:23
  sort of people in the spy dramas.
• 35:25
  The time from episode Richard. Richard Franklin can't do
• 35:28
  action. I'm sorry, he.
• 35:31
  Should be a poet, shouldn't he? Not a soldier.
• 35:34
  There's a bit later on where he kind of like he says I'm sorry
• 35:37
  Doctor, I'm going to take you back to UNIT HQ.
• 35:39
  Even I have you force. And he just puts his hand out on
• 35:42
  on Pertley's shoulder. Do you?
• 35:46
  Remember that bit where he was a total bastard and he was like,
• 35:51
  move Sergeant Benson? Oh, Joe.
• 35:53
  How? Oh yeah, yeah.
• 35:54
  Nick Phoenix Benton's food. He can.
• 35:58
  He can't deserve that. No, that there are a few like,
• 36:04
  you know people in in The Who world called Levine and and
• 36:08
  they're all a bit, they're all a bit strange.
• 36:11
  That's right. I'll just, I'll just say.
• 36:13
  See you next Tuesday, All right. This guy played playing.
• 36:18
  The governor's really good too, and and he kind of disappears
• 36:20
  quite early on, which is a shame.
• 36:23
  Yeah, Barry Letts says. Actually, on the I love that.
• 36:25
  I love that you should work with a rather attractive Chinese
• 36:27
  girl. And then it cuts to her and it's
• 36:30
  like, Oh yeah. Because there's 19010 you as
• 36:32
  fucking link between 2 plots. I'm telling you, yeah, yeah,
• 36:36
  they do it later on because the Brigadier says Oh yeah, the
• 36:39
  Chinese, Chinese girl. You must put an alert out of
• 36:41
  that Chinese girl, you. Know what?
• 36:45
  Chinese girl Like there's only one in London.
• 36:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There may be, but it's it's the
• 36:51
  whole rather attractive but as well it's just like really you
• 36:56
  know but but you know it was 1971 or 72 if you're watching it
• 37:01
  I. Don't know why.
• 37:02
  There's something about Nick Courtney and there's something
• 37:03
  about Ian Malta. Like, they can be incredibly
• 37:06
  sexist, but it's in sort of such a charming way, yeah.
• 37:12
  I don't really. I don't.
• 37:14
  I don't get any effect. It's not like I did with that
• 37:15
  Dolly line that. Yeah, yeah, that, that.
• 37:18
  That's horrible. Yeah, she's quite a Dolly.
• 37:24
  It's also unconvincing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:27
  Maybe he's just really, he's just really trying to convince
• 37:30
  everyone. And he yeah, look at.
• 37:33
  The latest unique recruit. I'd get it.
• 37:35
  But this, this is, this is Katie's favorite story
• 37:37
  apparently. And I can, I can completely
• 37:40
  understand it. I can completely understand why.
• 37:42
  Because like I said, she's she's really kind of like she gets
• 37:44
  really good. She gets some good stuff to do.
• 37:46
  Is it? Is it nice to have a companion
• 37:48
  with the same name as you, Joe? What?
• 37:50
  I love it every time Joe do it, I'm like, I do it.
• 37:56
  I do it like 50 years for a Craig and then he was playing by
• 37:58
  James fucking Corden. You know.
• 38:01
  So where where's I start watching a program that gets
• 38:05
  cancelled within a year and then I get named after me and he and
• 38:08
  he. It's written by Gareth Roberts
• 38:09
  and he's it's James Corden. Ooh.
• 38:12
  Sorry, mate. You had no luck at all with.
• 38:14
  Yeah. I don't think it wasn't Craig
• 38:16
  before that, Wasn't it? Ever.
• 38:17
  I don't think there is. I don't there is no.
• 38:20
  I think I would have. Sorry.
• 38:23
  Yeah, but you know what? Every time I'm mentioned, I'm
• 38:25
  fucking patronized in Doctor Who.
• 38:27
  Yeah, you know, I know I'd much rather be remember.
• 38:32
  This line, Joe, the Brigadier is your superior officer, so you
• 38:36
  can at least show a bit of respect.
• 38:38
  I know it's. Oh God, here we go.
• 38:40
  Where the cliffhanger is he? This is this is where he starts
• 38:43
  to kind of you know people always talk about you know
• 38:45
  Ingrid Pitt karate chopping the karate chopping the Mirka hurt.
• 38:48
  We starts to cry chop the flames that kind of right no one.
• 38:52
  Yeah. The next time he gets he gets
• 38:56
  kind of exposed to the color machine.
• 38:57
  They tie his hands around his back.
• 38:58
  So I think it's probably would stop him from from doing Ike to
• 39:01
  on a on a on a football blessing.
• 39:03
  See, this is the problem, isn't it?
• 39:04
  John Purp. We can't can't like.
• 39:06
  No, He gurns what? He gurns when he's under.
• 39:08
  He did the same thing on Silerians.
• 39:09
  His eyes widened and he it just looks comical.
• 39:11
  Yeah, he's he's going. To be outside then he yeah, and
• 39:14
  you just can't, like, take it seriously.
• 39:15
  But bless him. I mean, at least there is the
• 39:17
  Flames and it is linked back to Inferno, which is which, and
• 39:22
  it's great, but it's also it's also very kind of like uncommon
• 39:24
  to have like a link back to a previous story.
• 39:27
  More in this here than they do, yeah.
• 39:29
  Yeah, because we get the other plants spiders, as Joe's
• 39:31
  mentioned, and the crystal comes back.
• 39:32
  But it's nice touch whether or not Don Horton was just going to
• 39:36
  like, you know, kind of bigging up.
• 39:38
  He's Inferno. I don't know.
• 39:39
  And it's very good. Why wouldn't he?
• 39:43
  When he sees the most fearsome foes he ever met later, You know
• 39:46
  the Zarbi. Yeah, well, I've got, I've got a
• 39:50
  theory about Kukula. Great.
• 39:52
  Well, why? Why he sees that?
• 39:53
  I don't think it's an original one, but it's.
• 39:56
  Well, it explains it. I don't.
• 39:58
  I can't explain the war machine and and the Zarbi is his
• 40:00
  greatest fears. Nowhere but Kukulin.
• 40:04
  There is a. There is a kind of like a story
• 40:07
  you could explain it with. Excuse me?
• 40:09
  I caught up a nose. You put a picture up here of you
• 40:11
  wearing a policeman's helmet and you're not wearing it.
• 40:16
  I've got your headset on, Okay. Do you Do you go straight into
• 40:19
  Part 2 or no, no, no. We've got to answer a few two
• 40:22
  questions first. Yes, let's.
• 40:25
  So I'm going to throw them at you and then I've got a personal
• 40:28
  question for you as well. All right, we'll stop recording
• 40:32
  for that one. I'm going to ask you on the mic
• 40:35
  so it's all on record. Okay.
• 40:38
  Let me go into this and see what we have got.
• 40:41
  That's quite a lot of quite a lot of questions, didn't we?
• 40:44
  Well, they must have taken. A while I'm not used to that
• 40:47
  many notifications in one demo, I must take one look at your
• 40:51
  picture and feel free to him. Listeners, feel free to follow
• 40:55
  me at Craig Will 1082. I had a I had a great Twitter
• 40:57
  account and then I left Twitter and then I came back.
• 40:59
  But I'd like delete my original ones.
• 41:01
  I think we've got 100 followers at the minute.
• 41:03
  Well, I'll tell you this now. This, this thing, hamster, it
• 41:07
  has a fair following now, and I'm truly hoping this isn't the
• 41:10
  last. I'm going to hear from you.
• 41:12
  We're going to get your name out there, baby.
• 41:16
  But first the inquisition begins.
• 41:20
  Nathan Bottomley asks. Is the idea that crime is caused
• 41:25
  by evil impulses in the brain that you can store in a box the
• 41:29
  dumbest and most heinous idea in the entire purple era?
• 41:35
  Probably, but it's Pandora's box, isn't it?
• 41:38
  Which is a story that's kind of like.
• 41:41
  Thousands of years old. I think the I think the working
• 41:43
  title for this story was The Pandora Machine or something.
• 41:46
  How was it? I think so, yeah.
• 41:47
  But but I can see, right? Yeah, like taking out emotions
• 41:51
  and putting them into a box, but the end of the day, Doctor Who
• 41:54
  was a time traveling place box. So it's kind of, yeah.
• 41:57
  You just can just say that to anything.
• 41:59
  That's kind of fantastical. Every time I hear that back kill
• 42:02
  the moon, you know, then people go.
• 42:04
  It's so absurd. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:06
  What show you're watching, right?
• 42:08
  Yeah, yeah. OK, well here's another one for
• 42:10
  you then. My dear friend Paul Quinn asks
• 42:13
  would this work as a masterless 4 part story?
• 42:15
  See also Colony in Space and Axles.
• 42:20
  No, because the masters the instigator of the whole thing.
• 42:24
  So if you take the master out of it, nothing would happen.
• 42:26
  This wouldn't have happened. What was this easy?
• 42:29
  Suggesting we replace the Master with a different villain?
• 42:33
  I'm not too sure. It doesn't go into any details.
• 42:36
  What are you talking about? The Masters?
• 42:37
  The best thing in this? Yeah, and he looks amazing in
• 42:40
  this one and you know a bit where he's got the cigar in his
• 42:42
  mouth. And he's what he.
• 42:45
  The fur court, which is which is which is going to be real fair.
• 42:48
  And it's probably from another way he's killed himself.
• 42:52
  All right, I'm going to throw it up one at you all of time and
• 42:54
  space. Oh, it's a fabulous podcast.
• 42:57
  Oh yeah, they are like that one. What would be in your, I've
• 43:00
  asked you this in your scary hallucinations if you were
• 43:03
  subjected to the Keller machine? You can't say empty bar this
• 43:07
  time. An empty pub, OK?
• 43:13
  I don't know. No tea bags in the cupboard,
• 43:16
  Yeah, no biscuits in the jar. Yeah, yeah, it's Christ.
• 43:20
  I would have a heart attack. All right, one more.
• 43:23
  Yeah. Lovely lovely Daniel Wrongsley,
• 43:25
  massive supporter of this podcast, says the Master's fear
• 43:29
  of a ghostly, all powerful doctor looming over him
• 43:32
  eventually sort of comes true in Last of the Time Lords.
• 43:35
  Yeah, when I watched Last of the Time Lords, I thought that's
• 43:39
  the. That's the mine of evil
• 43:40
  throwback. Whether or not you you meant it
• 43:42
  to be, I don't know, but I think a lot of fans kind of got that
• 43:45
  from that particular episode. By having Delgado as a regular
• 43:49
  feature of the PERT we era, they managed to sidestep the law of
• 43:53
  diminishing returns. I've never, I've never had a
• 43:58
  problem with the Master being in every story, in season, it all
• 44:01
  me. And I don't know if I would have
• 44:03
  that same feeling if I was watching them for the first time
• 44:05
  in the 70s and all him again. But Delgado so good you don't
• 44:09
  really care about. I wish he was in every single
• 44:11
  story in season nine too. You know we could have, we could
• 44:14
  have crawled bar him into cursive paladon.
• 44:16
  He could have been like, you know, he could have been like
• 44:19
  hypnotized. What's he called he could.
• 44:22
  Dave. The Daleks.
• 44:23
  They've got a bloke in exactly the same costume but it's just
• 44:26
  in green. So you could have what else in
• 44:30
  the mutants. He could have been stirring the
• 44:31
  pot with all kind of like the solos kind of problem in the in
• 44:35
  the marsh and all that. Yeah.
• 44:37
  About. Yeah.
• 44:38
  I have no problem with the master being a kind of recurring
• 44:40
  character. I wish he was in more.
• 44:42
  You know how he that. Wasn't the question, though, was
• 44:43
  it? Well, no, no, he's saying.
• 44:45
  Is it? Yeah, from his so many
• 44:46
  appearances, it does it. Does it?
• 44:48
  Well, they they've always they've they've they've always
• 44:50
  set that problem because of Roger Delgado, I feel.
• 44:53
  Because you're so good. Yeah, I agree.
• 44:55
  And you know, but weirdly enough we just wouldn't have it in the
• 44:58
  new series, would we? Imagine that the new series
• 45:00
  every single episode. The Master was it is Delgado.
• 45:04
  Yeah, I think that. And I think sometimes they do
• 45:06
  toy with it because they don't bring him in until episode 4 and
• 45:08
  some stories or right at the end of episode ones with closed box
• 45:13
  or so you get the point where expecting to turn up and then he
• 45:15
  doesn't turn up seeing always on this one, but then he comes in
• 45:17
  next week instead. Well, and I love the trick they
• 45:22
  pull off in Colony in space, where it's like, well, we're
• 45:24
  four episodes deep, he's not going to appear.
• 45:27
  He can't be has arrived. You know, I know.
• 45:30
  But the other thing is that they mentioned him in episode one,
• 45:32
  saying he's escaped with the team's day weapon.
• 45:34
  Let's send the doctor on a mission.
• 45:35
  Oh shit, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:36
  So you. So you would be expecting it to
• 45:38
  turn up in the way that the brig's looking for him in that
• 45:40
  you know, so he is like mentioned in episode one, but
• 45:42
  well, the time you get to episode 4.
• 45:44
  Yeah, you could have. Where is he?
• 45:45
  It was 3 weeks ago. They've gone.
• 45:47
  We didn't out on Netflix, did we?
• 45:50
  Let's watch next. Let's watch next week's Now.
• 45:53
  I really hope the new series is going on that route.
• 45:56
  I really hope it's kind of drip fed rather than Oh yeah, of
• 45:59
  course. Because everything's just
• 46:00
  dropped in one go. Now there's a few series that
• 46:02
  aren't, but yeah, I know, I I hope we think that will be one a
• 46:06
  week. Yeah, we, I hope so, Okay.
• 46:09
  Well, the last question then before we add it.
• 46:10
  So one is, what the hell does Mackel mean?
• 46:18
  It did phrase ask that question. By any chance he did.
• 46:21
  Don't forget to ask Craig what Maccam is.
• 46:24
  Maccam is the term given to somebody who lives in Sunland,
• 46:28
  who's from some born in Sunland. You're a Maccam because Sunland
• 46:32
  has a very rich shipbuilding history and Sunland used to make
• 46:37
  them the ships and Newcastle used to take them.
• 46:42
  So someone were the Maccams and Newcastle was the tackhams.
• 46:47
  So I don't know why they they called Jordie's instead of
• 46:50
  tackhams. They would have provided a nice
• 46:52
  kind of like, you know, contrast.
• 46:54
  But no, we call Mackhams because we used to make ships.
• 46:57
  So Sunlands, Mackhams and Newcastle is tackhams.
• 47:00
  Yeah, we used they, We'd make the ships and then they've taken
• 47:03
  to Newcastle. They'd be kind of fitted out and
• 47:05
  stuff and then they'd send them off to wherever they were
• 47:07
  needed. I'm gonna fire him a message
• 47:08
  later and say, yeah, Dirty Tackham.
• 47:11
  Yeah, yeah, do what? He said, well, he's from
• 47:14
  Gateshead, isn't he? So he's not really.
• 47:17
  He lives in. Is he from Gateshead or Born
• 47:19
  and? Not sure.
• 47:19
  I'm scared he's going to shock us all one day.
• 47:21
  Gates at Gateshead probably have their own kind of like names say
• 47:24
  he's from Kensington or somewhere like that, and things
• 47:27
  been one big act. Well, Middlesbrough, which is
• 47:30
  like down the road, they, but they're smoggies because they've
• 47:33
  got they've got yeah they've got like a massive power plant in
• 47:36
  their you hit. Middlesbrough was something like
• 47:39
  the kind of the head of schools, completely kind of foggy.
• 47:42
  People from Martown were called creepies because I'm from
• 47:47
  Crawley, so we were creepy Crawleys.
• 47:49
  I mean, it's miserable, isn't it?
• 47:51
  Did he what? What?
• 47:52
  Jody Whitaker, 7 Graham Norton. When she said, oh, there were
• 47:55
  shot last, shot last. Yeah, and she's trying to
• 47:59
  explain it. There's some Hollywood A Lister
• 48:01
  next to her. Look.
• 48:02
  Yeah, yeah, she's fucking mad. Oh, great.
• 48:07
  That was a marvelous episode one.
• 48:08
  Thank you so much. That's okay diminishing returns.
• 48:11
  From here on after I pray, I don't believe it for a second,
• 48:14
  but I think we should probably go and skip on into Episode 2.
• 48:18
  Yeah, I want to make another cup of tea.
• 48:21
  Okay, you do that. I'll make a coffee and we'll get
• 48:23
  go.