Latest / Vibe Sesh Podcast / Vibe Sesh #35 | Eben Britton | Who Are You When the Game Is Over?

Transcript

Vibe Sesh #35 | Eben Britton | Who Are You When the Game Is Over? · Vibe Sesh Podcast

0:00
SPEAKER_03: Mr. Penguin. All right.
0:02
SPEAKER_03: Let's set this shit up.
0:04
SPEAKER_03: Dude, how do you feel being live like this?
0:07
SPEAKER_03: Dude, this dude is so interesting.
0:10
SPEAKER_03: Have you done any summary on Evan Britton, NFL player?
0:14
SPEAKER_03: Well, that's what my
0:15
SPEAKER_02: WhatsApp message was.
0:17
SPEAKER_02: I was, like, basically doing a dry, like, trying to recall what I just read.
0:25
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, so...
0:29
SPEAKER_02: Traumatic upbringing,
0:31
SPEAKER_02: gets a chance to play football in high school as well as college.
0:37
SPEAKER_02: He does creative writing as a major.
0:42
SPEAKER_02: Then he gets drafted into the NFL.
0:44
SPEAKER_02: He does that.
0:46
SPEAKER_02: He gets injured a bunch playing for the Jaguars.
0:52
SPEAKER_02: This is so funny because, like, if I played football, I'd probably be like, oh, my God.
0:56
SPEAKER_02: But I don't give a shit about football.
0:59
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't watch it. So that's funny.
1:00
SPEAKER_02: Like, this guy's just like a guy to me, you know?
1:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:05
SPEAKER_03: But he's like this cool dude.
1:08
SPEAKER_03: You don't view him as, like, this NFL player.
1:11
SPEAKER_03: If we were into NFL, we'd be like, oh, my God, what the fuck? You know?
1:15
SPEAKER_03: Like that's the level this guy is at in terms of just story and what he's been through, right?
1:22
SPEAKER_03: And it's just so interesting, bro, because I was watching clips of this guy.
1:27
SPEAKER_03: Talk about parasocial relationship, right?
1:30
SPEAKER_03: I've been watching clips of this guy from a long time ago, right?
1:33
SPEAKER_03: And then now for him to show up on my show, you know what I'm saying?
1:38
SPEAKER_03: It's fucking wild, bro.
1:40
SPEAKER_03: You know, even though none of us are famous, like super famous, you know what I'm saying?
1:44
SPEAKER_03: But like, it's just like, wow, I've been watching you for so long.
1:47
SPEAKER_03: And here's the thing, bro.
1:48
SPEAKER_03: He's like evolving.
1:50
SPEAKER_03: He's going through his shit right now.
1:53
SPEAKER_03: And that is the most amazing thing that when I was watching him, Cisco, and this is,
1:58
SPEAKER_03: it reminds me of, you know, I forget when we talk because...
2:02
SPEAKER_03: But what is so interesting is that when I was watching him,
2:06
SPEAKER_03: he was on this whole structured spiritual journey of dialing in his health,
2:14
SPEAKER_03: his spiritual side, his mental side, psychology side.
2:19
SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
2:23
SPEAKER_03: Reverse a little bit.
2:25
SPEAKER_03: I forgot to talk.
2:27
SPEAKER_02: Fuck, bro. I was looking shit up on the side.
2:29
SPEAKER_02: I was just agreeing so you can keep going, brother.
2:32
SPEAKER_03: This is the pre-show guys.
2:34
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if I'm gonna make it pre-gaming.
2:58
SPEAKER_03: Dude, this is a lot of energy, though.
3:00
SPEAKER_03: I kind of want to, like, save my energy for ebbing, you know?
3:05
SPEAKER_02: True, true. I mean, yeah, that's up to you.
3:07
SPEAKER_02: You can hit that end button. What do you think?
3:09
SPEAKER_02: Because I was going to, um, damn, Anna missing my mouse.
3:14
SPEAKER_02: God fucking damn it.
3:16
SPEAKER_02: All these little things.
3:18
SPEAKER_03: All right, bro. We'll meet up at that.
3:20
Oh, man.
3:25
SPEAKER_03: How you doing, bro?
3:27
SPEAKER_03: You are very high right now, bro.
3:30
SPEAKER_03: This is embarrassing, bro.
3:32
SPEAKER_03: I'm glad we made this.
3:33
SPEAKER_03: But he's cannabis friendly. He is, bro.
3:36
SPEAKER_03: But he's going through his journey.
3:38
SPEAKER_03: He was like super pro cannabis.
3:40
SPEAKER_03: And then he made a video saying he didn't make videos for a long time
3:45
SPEAKER_03: because he got addicted to cannabis, bro.
3:50
SPEAKER_03: Mmm. Bro, that's perfect for us because we're going to be stoned.
3:53
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
3:55
SPEAKER_03: And he's not going to be stoned.
3:56
SPEAKER_03: He's not going to be stoned.
3:59
SPEAKER_03: He's going to be like, I wish I was stoned, bro.
4:04
SPEAKER_03: We got to make him feel like that.
4:06
SPEAKER_03: Like, bro, don't you want to be stoned?
4:08
SPEAKER_03: I think I'm going to pop another 10 minutes just for Evan. He's going to look at us.
4:12
SPEAKER_02: He's like, I'm glad I'm not. No.
4:15
SPEAKER_03: But...
4:19
SPEAKER_02: I mean, sure, if you want to consider, because, dude,
4:21
SPEAKER_02: we're probably going to go an hour and a half.
4:23
SPEAKER_01: All right.
4:24
SPEAKER_03: Who knows?
4:34
SPEAKER_03: It's David, bro.
4:37
SPEAKER_02: What's up, David?
4:38
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I can't see. It's a black screen.
4:40
SPEAKER_02: Bro, it's a black screen, bro.
4:42
SPEAKER_02: I turned off the light.
4:44
SPEAKER_02: It's night over here.
4:46
SPEAKER_03: Bro, come on, bro. We want to see your beautiful face, bro.
4:51
SPEAKER_02: I don't think so now.
4:53
SPEAKER_02: Let me just tell you my story.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: Okay, go ahead, bro.
4:57
SPEAKER_02: All right, so I've been dating this girl for like six, seven months now. Okay.
5:03
SPEAKER_02: But recently, the day before yesterday,
5:07
SPEAKER_02: I just fully gave up on her because it's not like she's cheating or she's like,
5:15
SPEAKER_02: sorry, my heart is just beating right now because it's something I don't need
5:18
SPEAKER_02: to talk about to anybody,
5:20
SPEAKER_02: but
5:27
SPEAKER_02: And I see
5:29
SPEAKER_02: that you think, I think I like,
5:30
SPEAKER_02: so I feel like it's something I will be able to share with you. Okay.
5:33
SPEAKER_03: Go ahead. Go ahead. Feel you're in a safe space.
5:36
SPEAKER_03: Tell us, go ahead.
5:38
SPEAKER_02: So firstly, the girl, she's very religious for the whole six months.
5:43
SPEAKER_02: We don't hug, we don't kiss.
5:45
SPEAKER_02: We don't even hold hands.
5:46
SPEAKER_02: It's very hard for her to do all those things.
5:48
SPEAKER_02: And I said, okay, no problem.
5:50
SPEAKER_02: I've never, like, allowed somebody, loved somebody that much that I gave them that leeway.
5:58
SPEAKER_02: The other girls I've been with, I've told them, look,
6:00
SPEAKER_02: it's either we do this or we are not doing it at all.
6:04
SPEAKER_02: And some of them, they agree.
6:06
SPEAKER_02: But for this girl, I gave her so many exceptions.
6:09
SPEAKER_02: There's so many things she did.
6:11
SPEAKER_02: She will gaslight me.
6:12
SPEAKER_02: I will just tell her that.
6:14
SPEAKER_02: I will not be angry with her.
6:15
SPEAKER_02: I will just tell her, look, I know you're gaslighting me, but I don't want to do this.
6:20
SPEAKER_02: If she wants something, I will say from in my own country, I'm kind of a well-off guy.
6:25
SPEAKER_02: So money is not the issue.
6:27
SPEAKER_02: I will try to give her money.
6:29
SPEAKER_02: And the problem is that I can't even put her in a box.
6:32
SPEAKER_02: I can't even say, oh, she's just looking for money.
6:34
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I can't say she loves me because she doesn't even ask for money.
6:38
SPEAKER_02: I have to like, possibly give her the money.
6:41
SPEAKER_02: I have to like tell her, okay, let's go on a date.
6:43
SPEAKER_02: I have to give her nice things. She doesn't ask for nice things.
6:46
SPEAKER_02: She doesn't want nice things.
6:48
SPEAKER_02: She just, She's so introverted and she's like just on her own all the time.
6:53
SPEAKER_02: And I do everything in my part to try to make her happy, but she doesn't want to.
6:58
SPEAKER_02: Another thing is that... And why do you do that?
7:00
SPEAKER_03: Why do you do that, David?
7:02
SPEAKER_03: Why are you on such a mission to help?
7:05
SPEAKER_02: And this is your girlfriend, right?
7:06
SPEAKER_02: Like you asked her out and she said yes?
7:09
SPEAKER_02: Yes, she's my girlfriend.
7:11
SPEAKER_02: The only reason why, one of the reasons why I want to ask her
7:14
SPEAKER_02: because once we finish calling, right?
7:17
SPEAKER_02: She forgot to hang up the phone, and her friends were asking her, do you like this guy?
7:20
SPEAKER_02: She was like, yes, but I'm waiting for him to ask me out.
7:23
SPEAKER_02: I don't think he will like me.
7:25
SPEAKER_02: And there on the phone, I was so surprised because this is
7:27
SPEAKER_02: the first time I'm actually hearing that, oh, somebody else.
7:29
SPEAKER_02: So she really likes him.
7:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she liked you, this girl, then. This girl likes you.
7:33
SPEAKER_03: Do you feel that she likes you, though?
7:35
SPEAKER_02: Like, do you feel that she likes you?
7:38
SPEAKER_02: In the beginning of the relationship, yes, very much.
7:42
SPEAKER_02: Like, we talked for an hour straight.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: I've never been on a call. Except with my friends.
7:47
SPEAKER_02: I've never been on a call with somebody for an hour and 30 minutes straight.
7:50
SPEAKER_02: Even two hours at times.
7:51
SPEAKER_02: Goddamn!
7:53
SPEAKER_03: Multiple times. Multiple times. Two hours.
7:56
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
7:59
SPEAKER_02: At times, the first time we reached one hour and 30 minutes,
8:01
SPEAKER_02: she posted it on her status and captioned it, have someone like David in your life.
8:07
SPEAKER_02: And I was so shocked because it's the first time seeing something like this.
8:11
SPEAKER_03: Whoa, she put him in the story.
8:13
SPEAKER_03: She gave him credit for that?
8:15
SPEAKER_03: Is that what I heard?
8:16
SPEAKER_02: Yes. The other girls have been like, okay, we have a reason for being together.
8:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's just sex and maybe having fun.
8:25
SPEAKER_02: I give you money and we like hang around like a trophy girlfriend and I'm okay
8:30
SPEAKER_02: with that relationship.
8:31
SPEAKER_02: But the problem is I don't like,
8:35
SPEAKER_02: I don't just like doing things with girls that I don't know who they are,
8:39
SPEAKER_02: where they are from.
8:40
SPEAKER_02: I need like emotional connection with somebody before I can.
8:44
SPEAKER_02: The first girlfriend I even had, we broke up.
8:48
SPEAKER_02: That one is a whole story on its own, her and her boyfriend and so many other things.
8:53
SPEAKER_02: But she's her classmates, so you know there will be tension there.
8:58
SPEAKER_02: So I just kind of try and avoid it because she's always saying,
9:03
SPEAKER_02: why am I talking to my ex or why am I visiting my ex's house?
9:07
SPEAKER_02: And since we got together, I completely cut off my ex for her.
9:14
SPEAKER_02: So this was somebody that was giving me everything I wanted,
9:18
SPEAKER_02: but I cut off her relationship plus her other friends because I was friends
9:23
SPEAKER_02: with her friends.
9:24
SPEAKER_02: So I cut everything off just for her.
9:29
SPEAKER_02: She couldn't give me the bare minimum.
9:31
SPEAKER_02: And the funny part is that.
9:34
SPEAKER_02: Why aren't you willing to walk away?
9:37
SPEAKER_03: Yes, that's the best question.
9:40
SPEAKER_03: Goldie, you're Goldie Sisko, bro.
9:43
SPEAKER_02: Bro, what do you think she's holding back there?
9:51
SPEAKER_02: I feel this girl is quite new to relationships.
9:54
SPEAKER_02: She's very, very new to relationships.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, so you like that.
9:57
SPEAKER_02: But you just told me someone before her was giving you everything you desired.
10:02
SPEAKER_02: Did I get that correct? Exactly. Yes, he said that.
10:05
SPEAKER_02: He said that.
10:06
SPEAKER_02: Yes, but he couldn't continue because she wanted to...
10:10
SPEAKER_02: We had a friends with benefit arrangement, so...
10:13
SPEAKER_02: She started going to church and feeling very guilty about what she was doing.
10:16
SPEAKER_02: I wanted to return to her boyfriend.
10:18
SPEAKER_02: So I just like, come on.
10:20
SPEAKER_02: So you're not down for stuff like that?
10:23
SPEAKER_02: You only do serious relationships?
10:28
SPEAKER_02: No, if I meet a girl, the first thing I say is, look,
10:31
SPEAKER_02: do you want friends to benefit from a serious relationship?
10:34
SPEAKER_03: So why'd you reject?
10:37
SPEAKER_03: Why'd you reject then? Interesting. Yeah, exactly.
10:40
SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
10:42
SPEAKER_02: She wanted to go back to her boyfriend and I cannot be struggling with her and her boyfriend.
10:46
SPEAKER_02: So it's better I go and find someone.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: So she was with her.
10:52
SPEAKER_02: If I tell you her own story, that her own story is something to write a book about.
10:58
SPEAKER_02: It's just so crazy because it was not only me.
11:02
SPEAKER_02: So many things to say.
11:08
SPEAKER_02: I want to make sure though, you came in with a question though,
11:11
SPEAKER_02: and I want to make sure that we're hitting home there.
11:15
SPEAKER_02: Because I think you provided tremendous context.
11:20
SPEAKER_02: So what is your question at the end of the day here with this situation?
11:25
SPEAKER_02: Because you're actively pursuing.
11:28
SPEAKER_02: There's no reciprocation of energy.
11:31
SPEAKER_02: And is there questions should you keep pursuing or what?
11:35
SPEAKER_02: It's not like a question.
11:37
SPEAKER_02: I just wanted to share because I've already made it on my mind that I can't pursue any longer.
11:44
SPEAKER_02: I just wanted to tell you because I've only told you the first three months, actually.
11:48
SPEAKER_02: The remaining three months is me going out of my way.
11:52
SPEAKER_02: Even for my friends, I don't need to leave my house. All right, bro.
11:54
SPEAKER_03: You got to stop this shit, bro.
11:55
SPEAKER_03: You got to stop this shit.
11:57
SPEAKER_03: You gave it a chance.
11:59
SPEAKER_03: I think you love the chase.
12:01
SPEAKER_02: Yes! Like, I think you love the chase, bro.
12:04
SPEAKER_02: You love the chase, bro.
12:06
SPEAKER_02: I think you love the chase.
12:07
SPEAKER_02: I don't think I love the chase.
12:08
SPEAKER_02: I actually hate the chase.
12:10
SPEAKER_02: Nah!
12:12
SPEAKER_03: You're chasing her, though, bro.
12:14
SPEAKER_03: You're chasing her.
12:15
SPEAKER_03: You're chasing a butterfly and you can't catch her right now. Oh, damn!
12:19
SPEAKER_02: You're chasing a butterfly, bro. Beautiful butterfly. Tell me this. Hypothetical.
12:24
SPEAKER_02: That is the thing. She's the only person that I've ever decided to chase.
12:28
SPEAKER_02: Hypothetical. Ready?
12:29
SPEAKER_02: Hypothetical.
12:32
SPEAKER_02: What if tomorrow you just completely ghosted and did not fucking reach out, you just walk away?
12:39
SPEAKER_02: I just want you to play that thought experiment, not that you have to, but like,
12:44
SPEAKER_02: what do you think happens there?
12:48
SPEAKER_02: Let me tell you what happens, nothing, because that's what I just did yesterday.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: Yesterday I changed her, not even yesterday, the day before yesterday,
12:55
SPEAKER_02: I changed her name on my phone from my love to her real name.
12:59
SPEAKER_02: I changed it everywhere.
13:01
SPEAKER_02: I removed her pictures from my phone.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: Although I do have some that I keep in hidden folders,
13:06
SPEAKER_02: but I'm planning on deleting them when I have the mental stress.
13:09
SPEAKER_03: But let me ask you this.
13:10
SPEAKER_03: David, let me ask you this.
13:11
SPEAKER_03: What if after all of this, she contacts you right now?
13:15
SPEAKER_03: Right now she contacts you and says, oh, I love you.
13:18
SPEAKER_03: I love you, David. I miss you, David.
13:20
SPEAKER_03: What are you going to do then? What are you going to do then?
13:22
SPEAKER_02: Seriously.
13:24
SPEAKER_02: I don't know because it's going to be very painful because Because I look at it
13:29
SPEAKER_02: as once we have decided to split,
13:31
SPEAKER_02: there's nothing she'll bring us back together because you are just going
13:33
SPEAKER_02: to reopen new wounds.
13:35
SPEAKER_02: The thing is that she's not ready to change for me, but me, I've changed for her.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: Like I was saying, I don't go out.
13:42
SPEAKER_02: I hardly carry myself.
13:45
SPEAKER_02: She lives very far away from me.
13:47
SPEAKER_02: So for me to carry myself and say, okay, Let me go and visit you where you are.
13:52
SPEAKER_02: I hardly do that. Even for my friends that live so close.
13:55
SPEAKER_02: Is it that you come to me or meet someone?
13:57
SPEAKER_02: Bro, you're sacrificing so much for... I cook for her.
14:00
SPEAKER_02: She's not reciprocating, bro.
14:01
SPEAKER_02: He cooks for her, bro.
14:02
SPEAKER_02: He cooks for her. I pay for her hair. I do everything.
14:06
SPEAKER_03: Dude, what do you cook, dude? Tell me what you cook. I'm hungry right now.
14:09
SPEAKER_03: I'm hungry now. What are you cooking right now, bro?
14:11
SPEAKER_03: What kind of shit do you cook?
14:12
SPEAKER_02: Seriously.
14:13
SPEAKER_02: Just mixed rice, spaghetti.
14:16
SPEAKER_02: I buy her food, anything she needs.
14:19
SPEAKER_03: Mixed rice and spaghetti, bro?
14:20
SPEAKER_03: What's some mixed rice and spaghetti?
14:22
SPEAKER_03: That's a lot of carbs right there, bro.
14:24
SPEAKER_03: You mean she don't even give you a fucking hug?
14:27
SPEAKER_02: She gives hug, but it's something that you do reluctantly.
14:30
SPEAKER_02: She's part of one.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: Reluctantly?
14:33
SPEAKER_02: God damn, son, you don't even get a warm hug.
14:36
SPEAKER_03: You don't get a warm hug, bro?
14:39
SPEAKER_03: Dude, what country are you from?
14:41
SPEAKER_03: Bro, this is not America.
14:43
SPEAKER_03: What country are you from, David? yeah. Maybe it's the culture. I don't know.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: It's the culture.
14:48
SPEAKER_02: It's the very stupid culture.
14:50
SPEAKER_02: Where are you from?
14:53
SPEAKER_02: Nigeria.
14:55
SPEAKER_02: Nigeria, brother. All right.
14:57
SPEAKER_02: So what's the vibe out there?
14:59
SPEAKER_02: Is it like 50% of people are all getting married and 50% are all hookups?
15:04
SPEAKER_02: What's going on over there?
15:06
SPEAKER_02: Exactly how you said it is hookup and marriage.
15:09
SPEAKER_02: It's either you are a hookup girl or you are getting married.
15:12
SPEAKER_02: There's no in between.
15:14
SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
15:15
SPEAKER_02: That's what is working with her. That's what she's doing.
15:18
SPEAKER_02: She's looking for who will marry her.
15:20
SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, we can't just get married in the first few months.
15:23
SPEAKER_02: So I've done everything I could for her.
15:25
SPEAKER_02: But the thing that made me leave her...
15:28
SPEAKER_02: Okay, see what happened, right?
15:30
SPEAKER_02: She's very bad with communication.
15:31
SPEAKER_02: So we had an example.
15:33
SPEAKER_02: Okay, we're in university.
15:35
SPEAKER_02: Like, I just finished my university.
15:36
SPEAKER_02: She's directly under... Something you guys will call underclass.
15:40
SPEAKER_02: So she's directly after me.
15:43
SPEAKER_02: So...
15:45
SPEAKER_02: I was like, look, we're having communication issues.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: We are doing this, we are doing that.
15:49
SPEAKER_02: And I tried to express every single time I said, she doesn't like difficult conversations.
15:56
SPEAKER_02: So I sent her a long breakup message.
16:00
SPEAKER_02: She thought I was joking. Can you imagine this?
16:02
SPEAKER_02: I hardly, if I'm talking to somebody, I use voice notes.
16:07
SPEAKER_03: Damn.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: You left a breakup voice note, bro?
16:10
SPEAKER_02: You left a long voice note.
16:12
SPEAKER_02: Not a long voice note.
16:13
SPEAKER_02: This time I said, okay, let me type everything out.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: I typed everything out. Guess what?
16:18
SPEAKER_02: Guess what she said? What'd she say?
16:19
SPEAKER_02: What'd she say?
16:21
SPEAKER_02: He's AI, right?
16:23
SPEAKER_03: Oh, damn.
16:26
SPEAKER_03: That's painful.
16:28
SPEAKER_03: Bro, she said, is this AI, bro?
16:32
SPEAKER_03: Bro, she is in your mind right now, bro.
16:36
SPEAKER_03: This woman is so smart.
16:37
SPEAKER_03: She's like, bro, she's doing like a reverse fucking shit, dude.
16:41
SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying? She's pulling a reverse Goldie on David, bro.
16:45
SPEAKER_03: Explain to him.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: Honestly, like, I think you need to shock her nervous system
16:51
SPEAKER_02: where you've been exerting so much force in her direction.
16:54
SPEAKER_02: If you literally cut that and you don't talk to her for like three, six months, dude.
17:00
SPEAKER_02: Bro, maybe at some point she reaches out.
17:02
SPEAKER_03: If she never does, she's not the one.
17:04
SPEAKER_03: I don't know, bro. This is what I think. This is what I think.
17:07
SPEAKER_03: Dude, David, if you just stop communication now, even if she contacts you,
17:11
SPEAKER_03: you don't contact her back.
17:14
SPEAKER_03: You hold firm.
17:15
SPEAKER_03: You don't talk to her for six months to one year.
17:18
SPEAKER_03: And then see what happens, brother.
17:21
SPEAKER_03: Because you know what?
17:22
SPEAKER_03: You know what, David?
17:23
SPEAKER_03: Every other guy is doing what you're doing, bro.
17:26
SPEAKER_03: Be different, bro.
17:29
SPEAKER_02: So let me tell you the shocking part.
17:31
SPEAKER_02: Because after she said that, I just told her, we are done.
17:35
SPEAKER_02: Because that is not even the shocking part.
17:36
SPEAKER_02: After she said that, I just said, we are done.
17:38
SPEAKER_02: She said, okay.
17:40
SPEAKER_02: When I went back to school, it was an exam week. She saw me. She was laughing.
17:45
SPEAKER_02: She came to hug me. She came to shake me.
17:47
SPEAKER_02: I was like, what's going on?
17:48
SPEAKER_02: She said she was still acting like we were together.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: After that, I had to personally go to her class and pull her out of the class
17:57
SPEAKER_02: and be like, do you understand what I said in that message?
18:00
SPEAKER_02: Because I knew she doesn't understand what I said in that message.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: She thinks it's a joke because she has played this breakup joke before.
18:07
SPEAKER_02: And I told her before, it's not a joke.
18:09
SPEAKER_02: These kind of things are not a joke.
18:11
SPEAKER_02: So I had to...
18:12
SPEAKER_02: For three weeks, I'm telling you, every week I had to check in and be like,
18:16
SPEAKER_02: do you understand that we have broken up?
18:19
SPEAKER_03: He's checking in to see if they're broken up.
18:22
SPEAKER_02: This is bad, bro.
18:24
SPEAKER_03: Dude, I thought I was bad.
18:27
SPEAKER_03: Dude, this is super bad, bro.
18:30
SPEAKER_03: Cisco, come on.
18:31
SPEAKER_03: Give him some advice, bro.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: Dude, I think what's so beautiful is how much love you have in your heart, bro.
18:36
SPEAKER_02: And you're putting it towards the wrong people that And, you know, maybe she's ultra-religious.
18:44
SPEAKER_02: Dude, you need to consider, is she a yes girl, is she a maybe girl, or is she a no girl?
18:51
SPEAKER_02: You can play with yeses, and you should, if you have the time, work on the maybes.
18:58
SPEAKER_02: But, like, bro. Explain that.
19:00
SPEAKER_03: Wait, wait, wait. The yeses and the maybes? What? Say again.
19:03
SPEAKER_03: There's yes girls, maybe girls, and no girls. Okay. The no girls?
19:07
SPEAKER_02: All right, next.
19:09
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
19:09
SPEAKER_02: They're not jiving.
19:11
SPEAKER_02: Maybe, because she kind of felt like that,
19:14
SPEAKER_02: he spent the time trying to convert that into like,
19:19
SPEAKER_02: let's date and be more open with me.
19:23
SPEAKER_02: So, maybes are real maybes.
19:25
SPEAKER_03: They're like, I don't know, but if the right guy shows up, then okay.
19:28
SPEAKER_02: And he's hitting a brick wall.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: So, I think at some point, there's just like,
19:35
SPEAKER_02: I would say shock her nervous system and pull away because you've been going 110%.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: And when you drop down to zero, she's like, what the?
19:43
SPEAKER_02: And she may like poke back and be like, hey, give me that attention.
19:47
SPEAKER_02: And you're just like, bro, you just chill.
19:52
SPEAKER_02: All right.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: You don't have to send a middle finger, but you know what I'm saying?
19:57
SPEAKER_02: You're just like, keep it, keep it silent.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: The thing that is fainting me is that I don't want to be mean to her.
20:03
SPEAKER_02: This is a girl that I don't want to actually... You shouldn't be mean to her.
20:07
SPEAKER_02: Of course you don't be mean to her, bro.
20:08
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm not even saying being mean, bro.
20:10
SPEAKER_02: I'm not... No, if I stopped talking to her, she would take it as an offense.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: So...
20:15
SPEAKER_03: Dude, he thinks that's mean.
20:18
SPEAKER_03: Cisco, he thinks that's being mean.
20:21
SPEAKER_03: No, bro.
20:25
SPEAKER_03: This is what you're missing, bro.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: She's not harvesting your consciousness, my gosh.
20:30
SPEAKER_02: You are using a finite resource to think and
20:34
SPEAKER_03: exert energy. You're right. Listen to this guy. And she loves it.
20:39
SPEAKER_02: She's fishing. She's like reeling it in and...
20:42
SPEAKER_03: She's taking all your attention, bro.
20:45
SPEAKER_02: All your consciousness.
20:46
SPEAKER_02: Dude, that's their life source.
20:48
SPEAKER_02: It's our attention.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: That's how they feast.
20:51
SPEAKER_02: That's how they feed off people.
20:54
SPEAKER_02: So, bro, you got to return that back to the king.
21:00
SPEAKER_02: You're a fucking king, my guy.
21:02
SPEAKER_03: You're a king, David.
21:04
SPEAKER_03: You're a fucking king.
21:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, baby, this is the masculine hour.
21:08
SPEAKER_03: Vibesash masculinity, bro. Here we go.
21:12
SPEAKER_03: Masculinity in the house.
21:14
SPEAKER_03: Today's topic.
21:15
SPEAKER_03: Bro, this Evan Britton guest, bro,
21:18
SPEAKER_03: I think we are going to just become 10 times more masculine after this guest.
21:23
SPEAKER_03: Seriously, don't you think? Yeah. Bro, I'm telling you.
21:25
SPEAKER_03: He's a Chad. He's a fucking Chad.
21:27
SPEAKER_03: He's a fucking Chad. Bro, you know what?
21:28
SPEAKER_03: Like, what's interesting about this guy?
21:30
SPEAKER_03: I'm like...
21:32
SPEAKER_03: I watched some of his videos and he's like, yeah,
21:35
SPEAKER_03: everybody views me as the embodiment of masculinity.
21:39
SPEAKER_03: And what's so funny about that is when the first few clips I watched of this guy,
21:43
SPEAKER_03: that's literally what I thought.
21:44
SPEAKER_03: I was like, if masculinity is a person, it's this dude.
21:49
SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
21:51
SPEAKER_03: Oh, man. All right, bro.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, bro.
21:55
SPEAKER_02: David.
21:57
SPEAKER_02: I know you didn't ask for advice,
21:58
SPEAKER_02: but we just have to give you unsolicited advice at this point.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: Because this is a vibe sesh, bro.
22:03
SPEAKER_02: This is a vibe sesh for all truth.
22:05
SPEAKER_02: We care about you, bro.
22:06
SPEAKER_02: If you're tuning in, we are good at.
22:09
SPEAKER_02: It's exactly what my friends have said and it's exactly what I've thought.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: Because I just keep going back because I don't know.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: It's not like as if she's the prettiest girl in the world.
22:19
SPEAKER_02: Bro, you love it.
22:21
SPEAKER_02: Dude, you just said something about this.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: You don't love it.
22:27
SPEAKER_02: Can you say you like it though?
22:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
22:30
SPEAKER_02: Now you're not being honest.
22:32
SPEAKER_03: We might have to kick you out.
22:33
SPEAKER_03: We might have to kick you out if you're not being honest, bro.
22:36
SPEAKER_03: You gotta be honest, bro.
22:38
SPEAKER_03: You love the fucking chase.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: Because you must also be getting so close.
22:46
SPEAKER_02: Are you having those moments all the time?
22:48
SPEAKER_02: Not all the time, because we live far apart, so we mainly talk on the phone.
22:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, when you are together.
22:54
SPEAKER_02: When you are together.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: Are you having those so close moments that give you hope?
23:00
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, a lot.
23:03
SPEAKER_03: She's giving the hope.
23:04
SPEAKER_03: She's sprinkling the hope, bro.
23:06
SPEAKER_03: Bro, this girl, she's like top level right there.
23:10
SPEAKER_03: Top level sniper, bro.
23:11
SPEAKER_03: You know the funny part.
23:13
SPEAKER_03: That's why he's also attracted to her, because she's smart.
23:16
SPEAKER_03: How old are y'all?
23:18
SPEAKER_02: How old are y'all? I'm 20.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: She's like 22.
23:21
SPEAKER_03: Goddamn older women, bro.
23:24
SPEAKER_03: Older women playing the younger freaking stallion.
23:28
SPEAKER_02: She's playing the stallion, bro.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: The thing that made me give up on her, yes, is because on Tuesday, right,
23:36
SPEAKER_02: I actually, to be honest with you, I view myself as someone,
23:40
SPEAKER_02: I don't like using this word high value.
23:43
SPEAKER_02: Because it feels like I see what I'm talking about, Red Crew. I hate that word.
23:46
SPEAKER_02: Goddamn, you are high value, David.
23:48
SPEAKER_03: David, you are high value.
23:50
SPEAKER_03: You're the king, dude. You're a king.
23:52
SPEAKER_03: You're high value, bro.
23:54
SPEAKER_03: Don't even doubt that shit.
23:56
SPEAKER_03: Bro, you are the king.
23:57
SPEAKER_03: This is what we're teaching in this fucking vibe session, bro.
24:01
SPEAKER_03: Bro, you are the fucking king, bro.
24:04
SPEAKER_03: Do you believe that or not, David?
24:06
SPEAKER_02: I believe. I believe.
24:07
SPEAKER_02: But for her, I just... What am I going to say? Fuck me a bit.
24:10
SPEAKER_02: Bro, we might need Larry in here.
24:13
SPEAKER_02: Larry, is Larry here? I see him.
24:16
SPEAKER_02: He says, run, young man, run.
24:19
SPEAKER_02: Oh, shit.
24:28
SPEAKER_03: Oh, shit, Larry.
24:29
SPEAKER_03: Larry, we need you, bro.
24:31
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no shit.
24:34
No shit.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: Listen, I'm in the middle of feeding the dogs, but yeah, no shit.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: We need help on this one.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: Before you give me the advice, can I tell you what happened on Tuesday? Tap me in.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: Tap me in. Listen, bro, what are you talking about?
24:48
SPEAKER_00: Bro, listen, young sir.
24:51
SPEAKER_02: First of all... Before you tell me, can I tell you what happened on Tuesday so I can ask you?
24:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, absolutely.
24:58
SPEAKER_03: Go ahead. You want to hear that first?
25:00
SPEAKER_03: No, I want to hear it.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: I want him to talk. Let him dig it deeper.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
25:04
SPEAKER_02: The week, I'm digging a bigger hole for myself, but I feel like I need to be very transparent.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: The week, so after we confirmed our breakup, like multiple authentications had to happen.
25:17
SPEAKER_02: So I started visiting my ex.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: I started visiting my ex and started doing this thing.
25:23
SPEAKER_02: And she was like, why am I doing that?
25:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, bro, haven't we broke up?
25:28
SPEAKER_02: I owe you no explanation.
25:29
SPEAKER_02: So she was like, okay, no problem.
25:31
SPEAKER_02: So we met up one day like this and then we started talking, talking, talking.
25:35
SPEAKER_02: She now told me that I broke up with her at a very bad point in time,
25:39
SPEAKER_02: that I really did bad things to her, that I really hurt her.
25:41
SPEAKER_02: I was like, you couldn't communicate it to me.
25:43
SPEAKER_02: How do you want me to know you were going through anything?
25:46
SPEAKER_02: So I said, please, I'm not, I can't do that.
25:49
SPEAKER_02: So from there, from there, we just started talking because I just had
25:52
SPEAKER_02: to at least keep communication.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: On Tuesday, I told her, look, I'm going to school to collect my final year project.
25:59
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to be in school by 11, meet me by 11.
26:03
SPEAKER_02: She's doing something called teaching practice where she goes to schools and teaches.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: So meet me there by 11.
26:09
SPEAKER_02: Take a excuse from your school and meet me there by 11.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: Guess when we met?
26:14
SPEAKER_02: We met like 2.13.
26:18
SPEAKER_02: How did I know?
26:20
SPEAKER_02: She was the first.
26:21
SPEAKER_02: I've never in my life yelled at anybody outside.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: She was the first person. I yelled at her.
26:27
SPEAKER_02: I was like, number one, you don't think I've warned you.
26:32
SPEAKER_02: Don't ever do this thing again.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: I was so angry, but I just realized that I was in public and I just calmed down,
26:38
SPEAKER_02: took my project and left.
26:39
SPEAKER_02: She said I should follow her somewhere.
26:41
SPEAKER_02: I said, I'm going home. I'm going home. I can't do this.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: God damn, we got a real man.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: God damn, she took you to the frame, bro.
26:49
SPEAKER_02: Because you are wasting my time.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: I meet a lot of people, I do a lot of things,
26:54
SPEAKER_02: but I give myself to you and you are taking the time for granted.
26:57
SPEAKER_02: So I was like, don't value my time and you don't value.
26:59
SPEAKER_02: There's even another girl I'm talking to now and this one I'm even feeling like,
27:03
SPEAKER_02: bro, it's just to do friends with benefits.
27:06
SPEAKER_02: And I don't know why I keep asking.
27:08
SPEAKER_02: I told her to, I want to do friends with benefits.
27:10
SPEAKER_02: How much do you want?
27:11
SPEAKER_02: She'll say she wants a long relationship.
27:13
SPEAKER_02: Why are you lying?
27:14
SPEAKER_02: Why are you lying?
27:16
SPEAKER_00: Why? Because it's working.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: She's lying because it's working.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: See what I mean?
27:22
SPEAKER_00: She's lying because it's working.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: Now, here's the bad part.
27:26
SPEAKER_00: You know that she's lying.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: So then your question would be, well, why would she lie?
27:32
SPEAKER_00: Well, because it's working.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: If it weren't working, she'd probably still lie, but it's working.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: So just like they said, not only is she on your mind,
27:45
SPEAKER_00: when we talk about things that go from emotions or turn into feelings
27:47
SPEAKER_00: and eventually turn into words, They have turned in words.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: You're sharing them with other men.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: You're like, dude, like if you had the world at your fingertips right now
27:54
SPEAKER_00: and you could ask the genie anything you wanted, you're like, listen,
27:57
SPEAKER_00: there's this girl.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: And so she's on your mind.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: So she's lying because it's working.
28:03
SPEAKER_00: Cisco already told you what they leave.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: And this isn't a bash on women. I love women. Love them to death.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Don't get me wrong.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: But he's right.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: Their energy, they feed, they like attention and energy.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: You are so energetic about her right now.
28:18
SPEAKER_00: She has your full energy.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: You have three other men online and one, two, three, a whole lot of other people.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: She's got you. And there's nothing wrong with it.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: Listen, there's nothing better than having that feeling.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: But it sounds like, sounds like, and you can correct me,
28:35
SPEAKER_00: sounds like you're a successful young man.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: There's women aplenty right now in your atmosphere.
28:42
SPEAKER_00: So I'm not, I'm not, Goddamn!
28:44
SPEAKER_00: Goddamn!
29:13
SPEAKER_00: Now, you're giving her money and she hasn't needed to sleep with you.
29:19
SPEAKER_00: And the more she doesn't sleep with you, the more money you want to give her.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: This is a pretty good relationship.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you guys ever don't work out, I mean, I don't necessarily like men.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: But you know what I'm saying? And I'm making fun.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: And so I shouldn't be. But man to man, bro.
29:29
SPEAKER_03: She wants to date you, bro. Yeah, bro.
29:31
SPEAKER_00: But seriously, you know what I'm saying? Like, man to man, though?
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, we got to tell you.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: Bro, there are other women.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: And so she's doing this because it's working.
29:44
SPEAKER_02: You're allowing it to work.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: I just have to stop.
29:49
SPEAKER_02: Can you walk away?
29:51
SPEAKER_02: That's the biggest thing, man. That's what I have done.
29:54
SPEAKER_02: Hopefully, that's what I've done.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no.
29:56
SPEAKER_02: What do you want?
29:58
SPEAKER_02: What do you want?
30:00
SPEAKER_02: Here's the question.
30:02
SPEAKER_02: What do you want?
30:04
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what I want.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
30:07
SPEAKER_03: I don't know what I want.
30:11
SPEAKER_03: Dude, so what is this, Larry, then?
30:13
SPEAKER_03: If he doesn't know what he wants, why is he feeling this?
30:15
SPEAKER_03: Shouldn't he be saying, I want her, I want her?
30:20
SPEAKER_00: Listen, because he is 20 years old, he is successful enough, and there are women about.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: What else would he do?
30:27
SPEAKER_00: So he doesn't know what he wants, and that's perfectly okay.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: But that's what means this isn't a problem.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: She's not doing anything wrong.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: What do you want?
30:35
SPEAKER_00: Even if she said yes, yes to what?
30:38
SPEAKER_00: Because you don't even know what you want.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: So you're mad about this no yes, but you're not asking for anything.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: You're asking actually to limit it.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: You're asking, well, can't I just pay you and we can just have sex?
30:51
SPEAKER_00: And now she's thinking, well, if that's what you're offering from the beginning,
30:55
SPEAKER_00: if we're going to negotiate this- No, that one is not her.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: That is a different person. That is not her.
30:59
SPEAKER_03: She's not the one I'm paying to- That's a different person, Larry!
31:10
SPEAKER_00: This goes back to my point.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: There are some girls that do want to play and some girls that don't.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: You're still in the game and that's fine.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: If you meet a girl who's not, then that's not a girl who wants to play.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: But she's got your mind because she's not a girl.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: And as soon as you change, you gotta understand.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: You were this other elusive guy who all the other girls want.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: So when she's looking, she's like, wow, yeah, that guy would never be interested in me.
31:35
SPEAKER_00: By the time you looked, she thought she snagged that guy.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: Now you've changed to her.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: And you're doing the right thing.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: You're like, yeah, because with her, I might want to do something different.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that's not the vision of the guy she had.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: She thought, let me give you an example.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: She thought she got 50 cent, right?
31:53
SPEAKER_00: Because that's what she was looking at.
31:54
SPEAKER_00: And then you came home, you're like, listen,
31:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to take off the bulletproof vest and I want to be vulnerable with you.
31:59
SPEAKER_00: And let's rub my feet.
32:01
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, what?
32:02
SPEAKER_00: I thought you were going to do some gangster.
32:06
SPEAKER_00: And all men go through this.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: If it's a normal thing, you will find a woman that you fall in love with.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: And that's what we consider love to be when we put away our selfish man things.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: But whatever they liked, whatever emotion that created,
32:21
SPEAKER_00: whatever they visualized at that time when they fell in love with you,
32:24
SPEAKER_00: as soon as that picture changes, they're different.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: It's just...
32:32
SPEAKER_00: I can't hear you. We can't hear you.
32:35
SPEAKER_03: Larry, so I'm saying at this point in time, what do you think,
32:38
SPEAKER_03: given everything that you said,
32:39
SPEAKER_03: what do you think this girl that he really likes thinks about David at this point?
32:45
SPEAKER_00: I think exactly what I just said.
32:48
SPEAKER_00: What I heard correctly was like it was a girl who didn't think
32:51
SPEAKER_00: that he would be interested and then later on he ended up being interested.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: So now she's surprised and now he is not...
32:57
SPEAKER_00: That elusive guy anymore.
32:59
SPEAKER_00: Now, we all know that he's still that elusive guy.
33:02
SPEAKER_00: But to her, he's been this whole other guy.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: And so it's almost an inauthentic thing.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: So I'm not telling you to tell her.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: And so that's kind of what makes what Cisco was saying true.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: Go back to being who she believed that you were.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: This other guy that didn't have time for her.
33:17
SPEAKER_00: And then eventually she's like, he liked me once, but he's gone. He must be back.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: But right now you pretend to not be that guy with her. You'll wait with her.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: You'll take your time with her.
33:29
SPEAKER_00: She saw you as this, you know, as this other big fictitious superhero.
33:34
SPEAKER_03: Why can't people just talk and just say, look, this is the situation.
33:41
SPEAKER_03: Why couldn't she understand that?
33:42
SPEAKER_03: Be like, hey, listen, this is the dynamic.
33:45
SPEAKER_03: I know you wanted this other, I know you wanted 50 cents, but this is the real me.
33:49
SPEAKER_03: I can be 50 cents, but this is the real me.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: Because at this age, because she's 20 and she's 22.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: Ah, goddamn.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: The simple answer to that is because, right, this is a wisdom conversation.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: That's why we're talking. We're trying to send this information backwards.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: At 20 and 22, we were doing what we were doing.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: It's not until later that we go, oh, damn, that's not what that was at all.
34:13
SPEAKER_00: Sure looked like it.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: I was pretty sure. I was damn sure.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: In fact, people told me it wasn't.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: I told them they didn't know what they were talking about.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: I was positive.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: Turns out I was wrong.
34:22
SPEAKER_03: I just found out I'm wrong, bro.
34:24
SPEAKER_03: I just found out I'm wrong after all this, bro.
34:26
SPEAKER_03: It took me 51 years.
34:27
SPEAKER_03: Now I'm talking to you, bro.
34:28
SPEAKER_03: That's what we learned.
34:33
SPEAKER_00: That's what we learned, that we're wrong, that we were wrong.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: And so now, not only is it okay that we were wrong,
34:39
SPEAKER_00: it's more important we share the areas in which we were wrong.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: And that's what I mean. I was feeding the dogs.
34:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I am not about to let this boy sit here.
34:47
SPEAKER_00: And 20 and 22, boy, you better keep it moving.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: Catch her on the rebound.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: She'll be around.
34:56
SPEAKER_03: What do you think, David? I know you came up.
34:58
SPEAKER_03: How are you feeling, bro? How are you feeling?
35:00
SPEAKER_03: Because you were like saying, I just want to save space to talk. You got that.
35:05
SPEAKER_03: What do you think, bro?
35:06
SPEAKER_03: After all the advice from the three gentlemen on the stage here, what do you think, David?
35:14
SPEAKER_02: It's fair. The advice is fair.
35:16
SPEAKER_02: I know the advice is support.
35:17
SPEAKER_02: What you're telling me is the right thing to do,
35:20
SPEAKER_02: but I just don't even want to even engage anymore.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: I just feel like I've wasted so much time and effort.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: I'm quite upset. I don't like thinking about things like this.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: It just hurts me that I give up so much.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: I've never done this for anybody.
35:37
SPEAKER_02: That is the worst part.
35:39
SPEAKER_02: In Nigeria, there's something we call CFinish.
35:42
SPEAKER_02: CFinish is when somebody has known you...
35:50
SPEAKER_02: So much that they disrespect you because they've known what you can and cannot do.
35:54
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like I've done that for her.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: Now she knows what I can and cannot do.
35:59
SPEAKER_02: And that is the problem.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to ask you a question.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: Do you think you're in love with this girl?
36:10
SPEAKER_00: Because that's what this sounds like.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes, like, that's what we're trying to find out.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, we're trying to say, hey, well, maybe, is this love?
36:19
SPEAKER_00: Because it makes no sense that I feel this way.
36:21
SPEAKER_00: And so that's what I'm trying to figure out.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: Is that what your question is?
36:25
SPEAKER_00: Because this is kind of what love feels like.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: And let me explain it in this way, right?
36:32
SPEAKER_00: Love gets tricky if we start trying to determine that it's a feeling or like an emotion.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: But when we use it like a verb or like an action,
36:39
SPEAKER_00: And so you've been explaining lots of actions that you've taken
36:42
SPEAKER_00: that normally you wouldn't take, right?
36:45
SPEAKER_00: But for this person, you have.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: And so you're feeling almost slighted because it's feeling like, you know,
36:51
SPEAKER_00: it's unrequited or it's not appreciated.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: So in other words, you're asking for appreciation for the action.
36:56
SPEAKER_00: You have been loving her.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: If we're thinking of love as a verb, right?
37:01
SPEAKER_00: And so that's what I'm asking you.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: And because it'll change the conversation, it'll make everything make a lot more sense.
37:05
SPEAKER_00: Do you think, and you're too...
37:07
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to say you're too young.
37:09
SPEAKER_00: You're young that I'm not going to hold you to the definition,
37:11
SPEAKER_00: but sex and other things aside,
37:14
SPEAKER_00: is this the closest thing that you think you might have felt to love?
37:18
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: Bro, that's why I salute you.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: Because all of our advice aside,
37:26
SPEAKER_00: let's back the conversation way back up.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: Because what we're saying is all those things have been true things.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: But That's what we mean by a safe space, bro.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: Men don't get to say that.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: Men get to go, I did this, I did this, and the men go, well,
37:43
SPEAKER_00: you should do what you're supposed to say is, dog, I think I love her, right?
37:46
SPEAKER_00: Because once you say that, we're all going to go, but then we'll just start there.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: That's what I was talking about last time.
38:01
SPEAKER_00: The crappy part is that we can all identify immediately in painful places, right?
38:08
SPEAKER_00: And that's what makes these important conversations so important because we can try
38:12
SPEAKER_00: to do it positively and we wish everybody learned positively.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: When you say some negative shit, When it hits, everybody knows that.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: Everybody knows what it's like to stub your toe on the side of the bed.
38:25
SPEAKER_00: Bam, you got it.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: Everybody's like, yeah, I got that one.
38:30
SPEAKER_00: It's terrible.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: Nobody goes, well, which toe do you mean?
38:38
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter which one, you know that instant.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: And so this, so love is the same sort of
38:43
SPEAKER_03: thing.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: It's exactly the same, right?
38:53
SPEAKER_00: You knew this was going to be dangerous.
38:54
SPEAKER_00: You know, you should have a nightlight on, you know, you should be watching.
38:57
SPEAKER_00: You actually know the edge of the bed is there.
39:00
SPEAKER_00: And that's why when you stub it, you don't even question what happened.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: You just question if it's broken.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: You're like, ah, got it. God damn it.
39:07
SPEAKER_00: You know what you're thinking too?
39:08
SPEAKER_03: You're like, I know you're fucking there and I still stub my toe.
39:12
SPEAKER_03: You fucking idiot.
39:14
SPEAKER_00: You're so mad.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: That's what David's telling us.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: He's saying, listen.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: And so this is, bro, this is love.
39:23
SPEAKER_00: Love is the actions that you determine that you're going to give.
39:27
SPEAKER_00: Now, the thing about love is
39:31
SPEAKER_00: when it doesn't come back we tend to notice
39:36
SPEAKER_00: and that's all right it's okay you're supposed to feel
39:39
SPEAKER_00: that because in the long run you can't keep pouring into things
39:42
SPEAKER_00: that don't pour back that's a long-run conversation but just know
39:47
SPEAKER_00: that that's what's going on now this may or may not be
39:52
SPEAKER_00: the right girl doesn't sound like the right girl you're
39:54
SPEAKER_00: so young you will feel love again
39:58
SPEAKER_00: and hopefully again And again, and again.
40:02
SPEAKER_00: But this is what it feels like when you lose it.
40:05
SPEAKER_00: And so you didn't even lose this one.
40:07
SPEAKER_00: But it's okay to say that you think you love her.
40:10
SPEAKER_00: I think she's the first girl, like they said, that gave you this different type of challenge.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: And so it's one you can't get.
40:16
SPEAKER_00: And so to you, it feels like she must be different.
40:19
SPEAKER_02: You know what?
40:20
SPEAKER_00: I think I'm doing this for myself.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: Because to be honest with you, once I want to go into a relationship with a girl,
40:26
SPEAKER_02: I try to think, Long term and short term.
40:29
SPEAKER_02: And most times it's short term because I know that, like I said,
40:34
SPEAKER_02: this country that I live in, the social classes are quite wide.
40:39
SPEAKER_02: So for me, I know that I'm probably going to leave this girl in the next few years,
40:44
SPEAKER_02: either to study abroad or to go and work somewhere else.
40:47
SPEAKER_02: So I feel like...
40:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm pouring so much energy into a girl. It's not going to work out.
40:53
SPEAKER_02: But this is the first girl that I've broken all those boundaries for and poured so much energy.
40:59
SPEAKER_02: But even knowing that I might still leave this girl, I've poured so much energy.
41:03
SPEAKER_02: And in the beginning of the relationship,
41:05
SPEAKER_02: she introduced me to everybody as her boyfriend, even people she's talking to.
41:09
SPEAKER_02: I even thought, okay, there are some guys I don't want you to talk to.
41:13
SPEAKER_02: And in my phone, she deleted their contacts from her phone.
41:17
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, if you have...
41:19
SPEAKER_02: At times, she would just give me her phone and say, okay, you don't believe me,
41:23
SPEAKER_02: look through it. I'm like, you are willing to go this far from me.
41:27
SPEAKER_02: Why aren't you willing to take the extra steps?
41:30
SPEAKER_02: So I just had to leave everything because I can't go again.
41:35
SPEAKER_02: I'm tired.
41:37
SPEAKER_00: You should be tired, but you already know that, just like Cisco said,
41:41
SPEAKER_00: you already know that this is a no girl.
41:44
SPEAKER_00: You're trying to find reasons maybe that you could make it a yes girl, right?
41:50
SPEAKER_00: That might be a great feather in the cap, but no, bro.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: No, yes.
41:54
SPEAKER_00: The hard part is feeling of loss, but let it feel like lost.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's okay, feel it, and you gotta go.
42:03
SPEAKER_02: This waste of time is actually going to save you so much time, dude.
42:10
SPEAKER_02: This pain of right now, you will learn.
42:14
SPEAKER_02: And then, dude, you have 20 more years, 40 more years, 60 more years.
42:20
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm 25, so I only have five years on you.
42:22
SPEAKER_02: But you're like, damn, I just inch closer to death.
42:24
SPEAKER_02: So it just keeps changing your perspective each and every year.
42:30
SPEAKER_02: And what I wanted to add too was like,
42:32
SPEAKER_02: try to think like your consciousness right now,
42:33
SPEAKER_02: you have a hundred units and you are constantly giving her,
42:40
SPEAKER_02: there's a finite amount that you have every day and you're feeding 20 to 40 to,
42:46
SPEAKER_02: so all I would ask you, you need to return those units back to yourself.
42:53
SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's huge. All right.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: You only have a hundred.
42:58
SPEAKER_02: And if you're giving like 40% a day, you're doing 50, that's exhausting, my guy.
43:05
SPEAKER_02: And bro, we've all been there.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: That's limerence.
43:08
SPEAKER_02: Limerence.
43:09
SPEAKER_03: I never knew this word, bro.
43:11
SPEAKER_03: Larry, you knew that word, limerence? I've never knew that word.
43:14
SPEAKER_00: I've heard limerence. It's like hovering.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: To just hover and to not.
43:18
SPEAKER_02: What is it?
43:21
SPEAKER_02: It's hovering?
43:22
SPEAKER_02: I looked it up with AI, all right?
43:25
SPEAKER_02: Involuntary state of intense romantic infatuation marked by excessive thoughts
43:31
SPEAKER_02: about the other person.
43:33
SPEAKER_03: Damn, that's liverance.
43:37
SPEAKER_03: A powerful craving for their reciprocation.
43:40
SPEAKER_03: Goddamn, you have liverance, David.
43:42
SPEAKER_03: David, you just liverance.
43:47
SPEAKER_03: I wonder why this is...
43:48
SPEAKER_02: Your brain runs a reward and uncertainty loop.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: Attraction triggers dopamine, which makes the person feel like the key to your well-being.
43:58
SPEAKER_02: Because their affection is uncertain, their reward arrives unpredictably.
44:04
SPEAKER_02: Just like a casino machine!
44:05
SPEAKER_03: Casino machine!
44:07
SPEAKER_02: Unpredictable rewards are the most habit-forming kind.
44:12
SPEAKER_02: The same mechanism behind slot machines.
44:15
SPEAKER_02: Your mind keeps replaying and analyzing every interaction to resolve the uncertainty.
44:21
SPEAKER_02: Which feeds the obsession.
44:23
SPEAKER_02: Meanwhile, you're attached to an idealized version built from fantasy and fragments,
44:30
SPEAKER_02: not the real, not the full world person. Goddamn!
44:33
SPEAKER_03: That's the other thing.
44:34
SPEAKER_03: We're imagining things.
44:36
SPEAKER_03: Oh, look at this handsome boy.
44:37
SPEAKER_03: Let's look at this 20-year-old man.
44:39
SPEAKER_03: 20-year-old man, you got some light on you?
44:41
SPEAKER_03: I want to see this beautiful, handsome face that we've been talking to this whole time.
44:47
SPEAKER_03: He's living the life.
44:50
SPEAKER_02: When I go back to my room, I just want to go and get water.
44:54
SPEAKER_03: Ah, there we go.
44:56
SPEAKER_03: My Nigerian.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: We got all the ladies.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: We need to send Cisco to just hang out with you.
45:02
SPEAKER_00: Going us the wrong way.
45:05
SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
45:07
SPEAKER_02: The thing is that you're not the first person to say this.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: I have a cosmic, right?
45:14
SPEAKER_02: He's my...
45:16
SPEAKER_02: He's like my course rep.
45:17
SPEAKER_02: So I take him as this kind of mentorship in women.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: He has a lot of relations with a lot of women.
45:26
SPEAKER_02: So I just look at him as somebody.
45:29
SPEAKER_02: And the stories I have from my school is so crazy.
45:32
SPEAKER_02: Just even the day before yesterday, they were telling me how about six,
45:37
SPEAKER_02: seven guys shared one girlfriend.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, A lot of things are going on.
45:42
SPEAKER_02: A lot of things are going on.
45:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm just at the tip of the iceberg.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: I've not even seen anything.
45:48
SPEAKER_03: Really? One girl, six guys?
45:50
SPEAKER_03: God damn.
45:51
SPEAKER_02: Do you want to hear the story?
45:52
SPEAKER_02: Because the story is crazy to me.
45:56
SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
45:57
SPEAKER_03: And they're all in love?
45:58
SPEAKER_03: They're all in love with her?
46:00
SPEAKER_00: Don't tell the story.
46:02
SPEAKER_00: Listen, do not tell the story online, on live, because
46:09
SPEAKER_00: Some of these people are your friends.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: Listen, young man.
46:21
SPEAKER_00: Back to my question.
46:23
SPEAKER_00: What do you want?
46:25
SPEAKER_00: Right now, here's why I'm asking.
46:27
SPEAKER_00: Here's why I'm asking.
46:29
SPEAKER_00: Because I think we can all agree, as far as from a young man's point of view,
46:32
SPEAKER_00: we've got the world by the table.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: Like Cisco was living a life right now.
46:36
SPEAKER_00: He really wishes he was living your life, like sincerely,
46:40
SPEAKER_00: but you got the world by the tail right now.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: So it's important that you figure out what you want because you're already doing
46:49
SPEAKER_00: the doing is already happening where you're going to end up. You need it.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: The sooner you decide that the doing will continue,
46:56
SPEAKER_00: but it will now continue in a specific direction.
46:59
SPEAKER_00: And once you've decided that direction,
47:01
SPEAKER_00: Then the do's and the don'ts will become very, very simple.
47:04
SPEAKER_00: Everything that matches the direction is good.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: Everything that doesn't match the direction just can't do it. Why?
47:09
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm going to do what I want anyway,
47:11
SPEAKER_00: but I may as well do it on the way to where I'm headed to.
47:14
SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, we do a whole lot of doing in place.
47:19
SPEAKER_00: Now we don't go left or right.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: We just dig a little hole right where we are, right?
47:23
SPEAKER_00: And then by the time it's time to pick a direction,
47:26
SPEAKER_00: you'll think about all the energy you spent and none of it will be headed
47:30
SPEAKER_00: where you want to go.
47:31
SPEAKER_00: You have the world.
47:33
SPEAKER_00: You got the world at your back.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: You just got to determine which direction you want to go,
47:37
SPEAKER_00: and then you'll know exactly which women to deal with and which ones not to.
47:40
SPEAKER_00: But you got to determine what you want.
47:41
SPEAKER_00: Like, what do you want in the long run?
47:44
SPEAKER_00: Do we know?
47:45
SPEAKER_03: Larry, you knew when you were in your 20s, at his age, you knew what you wanted?
47:49
SPEAKER_03: That's a big question for a 20-year-old, bro. You know what?
47:52
SPEAKER_00: Well, listen, remember, I started a little bit differently.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, but that's also why I got limited there.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: The furthest thing that I had ever wished for was one day I want to play football in Nebraska.
48:04
SPEAKER_00: So then by the time I got there, I had no plan for afterwards.
48:07
SPEAKER_00: And then when the memory came, I was like, well, okay, I guess that's that.
48:12
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I thought that I knew.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: Now I'm smart enough to go, no, I get everything that I asked for.
48:20
SPEAKER_00: I should probably start asking for more or asking differently.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: And so in this case, this young man is in that kind of like, you're doing it, doing it.
48:28
SPEAKER_00: So if you can pretty much do anything you want now, I would ask you to think ahead, young man.
48:33
SPEAKER_00: What do you think? If you had that same power at 26, okay.
48:37
SPEAKER_00: If that's it, if you're still doing this at 30, I'm going to be like, bro,
48:41
SPEAKER_00: you didn't think anything new by now?
48:43
SPEAKER_00: You have the ability to reach out and just, you can have as many women as you want.
48:47
SPEAKER_00: And you're worried about the one you can't have?
48:49
SPEAKER_00: I don't think you're looking at this power correctly.
48:51
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just my personal opinion. See what I mean?
48:54
SPEAKER_00: Like you almost got to be able to laugh at it.
48:56
SPEAKER_00: But the ultimate answer is you have to know what you want in life.
49:01
SPEAKER_00: And then, like I said, then the correct steps, well, if you say what you want,
49:05
SPEAKER_00: the correct steps will just order themselves right in front of you.
49:09
SPEAKER_03: Go ahead, Cisco.
49:10
SPEAKER_02: Well, no, I just want to say for him, and dude, if you don't know your direction,
49:16
SPEAKER_02: just start with your boundaries, bro.
49:19
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
49:21
SPEAKER_00: Yes, create it.
49:22
SPEAKER_00: Yes, create a direction if you don't know.
49:24
SPEAKER_00: You can change it later, but create one.
49:27
SPEAKER_02: This is a boundary I don't want someone to cross.
49:29
SPEAKER_02: And just start with that first one.
49:30
SPEAKER_02: And then that kind of like what you don't want will help you kind of focus what you will want.
49:37
SPEAKER_02: Just narrow it down.
49:40
SPEAKER_00: With no decisions, you're just going to sit here confused.
49:44
SPEAKER_00: And that's right.
49:45
SPEAKER_00: You can have any girl you want.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: And so, of course, the only thing that's intriguing to you is the one that you can't.
49:52
SPEAKER_03: Because you're always winning, bro. You're a king. You're always winning.
49:55
SPEAKER_03: You're a fucking king. You're a Nigerian king, David.
49:59
SPEAKER_03: David, you're a fucking Nigerian king. All right?
50:02
SPEAKER_00: That is true.
50:04
SPEAKER_03: Hey, David, we're going to have to start our show.
50:07
SPEAKER_03: Thank you very much, bro.
50:08
SPEAKER_03: It's so nice meeting you.
50:12
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
50:14
SPEAKER_03: Good luck to you, bro. Come back soon and tell us how it went, okay, bro?
50:18
SPEAKER_03: We need an update.
50:21
SPEAKER_03: Bro, can you believe the girl that he liked captured the attention globally?
50:26
SPEAKER_03: Wow, that's what I mean.
50:28
SPEAKER_00: She nailed it.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: She just gave it.
50:32
SPEAKER_00: He made her famous.
50:33
SPEAKER_03: He made her famous, bro.
50:36
SPEAKER_03: All right, let's hold on.
50:38
SPEAKER_00: He's in love, but at the end of the day, yeah.
50:41
SPEAKER_03: What's it like to be in love?
50:43
SPEAKER_03: Hey, Larry, do you know this guy, Eben Brighton?
50:46
SPEAKER_03: We're going to bring him up.
50:47
SPEAKER_03: He's a fellow NFL player. Can you stay with us?
50:51
SPEAKER_03: Stay as long as you want, okay, Larry?
50:55
SPEAKER_03: Let's go.
50:58
SPEAKER_03: Let's go. Look at this guy.
51:00
SPEAKER_03: Look at this fucking guy.
51:02
SPEAKER_03: Bro, I'm feeling more masculine.
51:03
SPEAKER_03: How about you, Cisco?
51:06
SPEAKER_03: The testosterone just went up.
51:11
SPEAKER_03: I'm feeling so manly.
51:13
SPEAKER_03: Let's go fuck shit up, bro.
51:15
SPEAKER_03: I need a battle, bro.
51:19
SPEAKER_03: Bro, thank you very much.
51:21
SPEAKER_03: Evan, so good to meet you, bro.
51:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
51:24
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me, guys.
51:26
SPEAKER_01: Just caught the tail end.
51:27
SPEAKER_01: That was great.
51:30
SPEAKER_03: We're just connecting here.
51:31
SPEAKER_03: So we got Cisco.
51:33
SPEAKER_03: He's my co-host.
51:34
SPEAKER_03: Introduce yourself and then we'll go through Larry about Nebraska.
51:37
SPEAKER_03: And go ahead, Cisco.
51:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we've been doing this Vibe Sesh for about a year.
51:41
SPEAKER_02: Started on Twitter and now we took it to Instagram.
51:44
SPEAKER_02: So we're just having conversations with amazing people like yourself.
51:48
SPEAKER_01: Awesome, man. Love it.
51:49
SPEAKER_01: Really stoked to be here.
51:50
SPEAKER_01: Great to meet you, man.
51:52
SPEAKER_00: Larry, who are you?
51:54
SPEAKER_00: I'm Larry Arnold from Larry Arnold TV.
51:57
SPEAKER_00: I caught Vibe Samurai just on the waves,
52:01
SPEAKER_00: and then I accidentally chimed in one night,
52:04
SPEAKER_00: and it was kind of on a masculinity tip, right?
52:05
SPEAKER_00: It was a bunch of young guys, and in my mind, I'm like, what are these guys talking about?
52:10
SPEAKER_00: And after a few minutes, I'm like, what the hell?
52:11
SPEAKER_00: And then it just ended up popping up.
52:13
SPEAKER_00: But they bring up the football thing.
52:15
SPEAKER_00: I played the national championship years for the Cornhuskers back in the 90s,
52:20
SPEAKER_00: right before I stopped playing football.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: And so then I walked away.
52:22
SPEAKER_00: But they were talking more about masculinity, they were going to bring you on,
52:25
SPEAKER_00: and there was a whole football connection.
52:27
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to clear the floor.
52:28
SPEAKER_00: Introduce yourself, please.
52:30
SPEAKER_01: Love that, man. Thank you, guys. Thanks for having me.
52:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm Evan Britton, played six years in the NFL,
52:37
SPEAKER_01: came out of my football career totally shattered in 2014 and had to go in the long,
52:43
SPEAKER_01: slow process of putting myself back together again through yoga, meditation,
52:50
SPEAKER_01: great mentors, a little bit of plant medicine, deep dive into self,
52:55
SPEAKER_01: All things included.
52:57
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, somehow ended up here.
53:02
SPEAKER_01: I have a podcast, done a number of podcasts,
53:06
SPEAKER_01: started a show with Mike Tyson called Hot Boxing,
53:10
SPEAKER_01: which a lot of people know me from.
53:13
SPEAKER_01: And then have had my own pod, The Ebb and Flow, for probably six years now.
53:19
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so great to be here with you guys.
53:22
SPEAKER_03: What a name, bro.
53:24
SPEAKER_03: I got to give it up to you, Evan.
53:25
SPEAKER_03: Evan Flo?
53:27
SPEAKER_03: Evan Flo is so high, bro. Goddamn.
53:29
SPEAKER_03: How did you think about that?
53:31
SPEAKER_03: Were you high when you thought about that, Evan, or what?
53:34
SPEAKER_03: You know, dude,
53:38
SPEAKER_01: that was one of those intuitive and natural things that emerged
53:44
SPEAKER_01: during my NFL career, actually.
53:46
SPEAKER_01: Guys would go, Evan Flo.
53:51
SPEAKER_00: So
53:57
SPEAKER_01: when I was starting my pod, I just, I thought immediately to that.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: Everybody's always said for as long as I can remember, Ev, you're so Zen.
54:07
SPEAKER_01: I was like, sometimes it's made sense.
54:09
SPEAKER_01: Other times I'm like, dude, you don't know the hurricane that's going on inside of this.
54:14
SPEAKER_01: This is what I'm saying.
54:16
SPEAKER_03: Bro, Evan, like, it's so crazy because...
54:19
SPEAKER_03: I'd like, you know, I blew up this year, right?
54:22
SPEAKER_03: So before that, I was just like consuming content.
54:25
SPEAKER_03: And I remember seeing you for many years ago with clips with Jared and things like that.
54:30
SPEAKER_03: Oh, cool, man. Yes.
54:32
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, this dude's so cool.
54:34
SPEAKER_03: And, you know, you get this I guess you were out of the scene for a while as well.
54:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and then so now you're going through this.
55:01
SPEAKER_03: My point is I viewed you as this like, holy shit, he has his shit together.
55:07
SPEAKER_03: He's Zen.
55:08
SPEAKER_03: He's achieved this state now where there's no more chaos.
55:12
SPEAKER_03: And then recently you posted some things on YouTube, which I want you to talk about,
55:16
SPEAKER_03: where you're like, I had to go into rehab for cannabis.
55:20
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, God damn, son.
55:22
SPEAKER_03: And then you're like being so transparent and vulnerable about it, Evan.
55:27
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, God damn, I thought this dude had all his shit together
55:30
SPEAKER_03: and then this shit goes down.
55:32
SPEAKER_03: But that was inspirational to me, Evan.
55:35
SPEAKER_03: Because I'm hiding a lot of things, right?
55:38
SPEAKER_03: I have things that I'm ashamed of,
55:40
SPEAKER_03: that fears and all this shame and different things that I haven't told.
55:45
SPEAKER_03: But like for you to just go from that to this and just be vulnerable and be like,
55:49
SPEAKER_03: I'm going through some shit.
55:51
SPEAKER_03: I'm going through chaos right now.
55:53
SPEAKER_03: Bro, it's inspirational.
55:54
SPEAKER_01: Really. Awesome, man. Yeah, thanks, brother.
55:57
SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you saying that.
55:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I think it's one
56:02
SPEAKER_01: of the reasons I would say,
56:07
SPEAKER_01: and maybe this is a A belief
56:11
SPEAKER_01: that I don't really think about until after the fact,
56:15
SPEAKER_01: but I'm probably transparent and vulnerable to a fault.
56:22
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, my name actually,
56:26
SPEAKER_01: Eben, very old family name.
56:31
SPEAKER_01: My original American ancestor, Mary Bliss Parsons, who came to America in like 1640,
56:38
SPEAKER_01: She had 11 kids, was on trial for witchcraft three
56:41
SPEAKER_03: times.
56:43
SPEAKER_01: But she had a son named Eben who was killed in a battle with Native Americans when he was 21.
56:49
SPEAKER_01: And that name has traveled through the generations to me.
56:54
SPEAKER_01: And it's a Hebrew name actually, which means stone of truth.
57:00
SPEAKER_01: And it's interesting because it's, I don't know if I could have another name.
57:07
SPEAKER_01: Truth has been a guiding.
57:09
SPEAKER_01: Truth, integrity,
57:10
SPEAKER_01: authenticity has been like Cisco mentioned earlier,
57:16
SPEAKER_01: that idea of your boundaries.
57:19
SPEAKER_01: Truth and integrity has been one of those guardrails in my life.
57:23
SPEAKER_01: It's like if I'm moving outside of that,
57:28
SPEAKER_01: The inner vibration of integrity and truth and honor within myself,
57:33
SPEAKER_01: I feel like I'm not living well.
57:36
SPEAKER_01: Things fall apart in my life.
57:39
SPEAKER_01: Relationships fall apart.
57:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm not in the flow.
57:42
SPEAKER_01: But when I'm aligned with that vibration inside,
57:46
SPEAKER_01: it's like everything else just falls into place.
57:49
SPEAKER_01: I don't really even have to do anything.
57:52
SPEAKER_01: You know, and...
57:54
SPEAKER_01: You know, and so going back to your point, brother,
57:56
SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that so much because, you know,
57:59
SPEAKER_01: one of the traps I've fallen into many times was thinking that I had it figured out.
58:07
SPEAKER_01: Right.
58:09
SPEAKER_01: You know, like right before that total,
58:17
SPEAKER_01: you know, another rock bottom,
58:19
SPEAKER_01: which happened a few years ago,
58:22
SPEAKER_01: which was essentially I was Leaning on tools that had once worked for me
58:27
SPEAKER_01: and been really positive elements in my life and were no longer really being that.
58:34
SPEAKER_01: Cannabis and Kratom, for instance.
58:38
SPEAKER_01: And up until that point,
58:44
SPEAKER_01: I got divorced in 2022.
58:46
SPEAKER_01: And right before my divorce, man, I felt like I was on top of the mountains.
58:55
SPEAKER_01: Like the best I'd ever been.
58:57
SPEAKER_01: I was about eight years out of my NFL career.
59:02
SPEAKER_01: I had started to feel like I've got my feet on the ground. I know who I am.
59:06
SPEAKER_01: I know what the fuck I'm into here.
59:08
SPEAKER_01: I know what my gifts are.
59:10
SPEAKER_01: I'm starting to live in those gifts.
59:12
SPEAKER_01: I'm starting to do my thing.
59:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm starting to really find my flow.
59:17
SPEAKER_01: And there was a part of me that really felt or believed that I had ascended.
59:23
SPEAKER_01: Honestly, I felt untouchable in
59:26
SPEAKER_03: a way.
59:28
SPEAKER_01: I felt so clean and clear, you know,
59:33
SPEAKER_01: like I had unraveled so much shit inside that I was so just like, yeah,
59:40
SPEAKER_01: I tasted something that has really become sort
59:45
SPEAKER_01: of an illusory benchmark
59:51
SPEAKER_01: because it's like It's something that I don't know if you can maintain.
59:58
SPEAKER_01: If you choose to live in the real world, if you choose to have a family,
1:00:03
SPEAKER_01: be in relationship, if you choose to build a business and want to create an empire
1:00:09
SPEAKER_01: for yourself, which I believe are all good things and things that I'm really excited
1:00:14
SPEAKER_01: about doing and having in my life,
1:00:17
SPEAKER_01: I don't know that what I tasted was And the kind
1:00:22
SPEAKER_01: of level of elation I experienced
1:00:27
SPEAKER_01: during that time is really,
1:00:32
SPEAKER_01: I had totally transformed myself.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_01: What the experience was really about was having done
1:00:39
SPEAKER_01: a literal 180 psychically inside of myself
1:00:43
SPEAKER_01: so that I had rewired all
1:00:48
SPEAKER_01: the programming.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_01: But coming out of that, then life keeps happening, right?
1:00:57
SPEAKER_01: I go through a divorce.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm like in this interesting place where I'm sort of in denial of the grief
1:01:07
SPEAKER_01: and the pain of that separation.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_01: But it's happening.
1:01:11
SPEAKER_01: My body, my nervous system is going through this process and But my mind is caught
1:01:17
SPEAKER_01: in this thing like, wait, bro, wait, I'm good, man.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_01: I'm ascended, bro.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to take off.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to turn into light here pretty soon, bro.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to be floating.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_03: Okay. Okay. So this is what you were saying while that was happening. Okay.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_01: This is like kind of the, this is the inner atmosphere, you know?
1:01:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:01:36
SPEAKER_01: And simultaneously life is happening and I'm going through this process
1:01:40
SPEAKER_01: and it's like, okay, you know,
1:01:43
SPEAKER_01: what, I started to feel this tension inside of like,
1:01:48
SPEAKER_01: oh, I'm starting to get out of alignment.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_01: But I still had enough of a tether on that feeling that I had experienced
1:01:58
SPEAKER_01: of overcoming a lot of stuff, really.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_01: And we experience that elation,
1:02:04
SPEAKER_01: that sense of revelation all the time when we overcome things in ourself
1:02:08
SPEAKER_01: or we unravel some deep-seated belief in Or conditioning, right?
1:02:14
SPEAKER_01: And so the trap is, it's like a drug.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_01: It's a trap to go, oh, that's what life is.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, no, that's not what life is.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_01: You know, life is a thing that's, the movie never ends, baby.
1:02:28
SPEAKER_01: The movie never ends.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_01: The credits never roll until, you know, that final breath.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_01: But before that, life keeps coming, baby, you know, and we're still a human.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_03: Cisco, there is no end, Cisco.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_03: You want to, like, Cisco, tell Evan about your story that you're improving
1:02:46
SPEAKER_03: and you're always, like, you're waiting, you're waiting.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_03: But then, Cisco...
1:02:50
SPEAKER_03: No, but it's kind of like psychocybernetics
1:02:53
SPEAKER_02: where you set a target,
1:02:54
SPEAKER_02: but you're never achieving it.
1:02:56
SPEAKER_02: But it's the journey of getting to that target that that's what humanity is about, essentially.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_02: So you're never, even if you hit that goalpost,
1:03:04
SPEAKER_02: you just set a new one and you just keep progressing forward.
1:03:08
SPEAKER_01: I think Larry can probably resonate with this.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_01: As an athlete in particular,
1:03:14
SPEAKER_01: I recognize that I was conditioned in this way of being that Once I attained,
1:03:21
SPEAKER_01: once I got the victory, got the trophy, got the thing, something happened.
1:03:26
SPEAKER_01: Something was going to happen.
1:03:28
SPEAKER_01: But what do we all know, Larry?
1:03:29
SPEAKER_01: You win the national championship.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_01: My dude, Steve Weatherford, wins the Super Bowl.
1:03:34
SPEAKER_01: That night, you're in the deepest,
1:03:36
SPEAKER_01: darkest depression of your life because you're like, wait, nothing changed.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_00: Nothing changed whatsoever.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_00: Can you all go deeper on that?
1:03:47
SPEAKER_00: Well, I was going to bring that up. Right.
1:03:50
SPEAKER_00: As athletes, we relied on it for so long.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_00: There's this constant cycle and you just keep plugging away.
1:03:57
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes we're down and you just keep plugging away.
1:03:59
SPEAKER_00: And when we're up, we're still going to keep plugging away. And it doesn't matter.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_00: Each year, it doesn't matter how good you are, which level you go to,
1:04:05
SPEAKER_00: we are going to work on blocking and tackling.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_00: And we're going to do it again.
1:04:08
SPEAKER_00: And so we just do that.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_00: So even when the world falls apart, we just keep working on blocking and tackling.
1:04:13
SPEAKER_00: We just keep working on blocking and tackling.
1:04:15
SPEAKER_00: But Right.
1:04:17
SPEAKER_00: At some point, even if you continue that, the career does end.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_00: The championship is over.
1:04:23
SPEAKER_00: Now you can block and tackle all you want.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_00: And life doesn't respond to you just continuing to block and tackle. Right.
1:04:29
SPEAKER_00: So now the lifestyle comes and we try to keep blocking and tackling.
1:04:32
SPEAKER_00: They're like, yeah, well, this ain't football, buddy.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_00: On the field, bro.
1:04:38
SPEAKER_00: On the field, if you can block and tackle to a certain level, you got a place here.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_00: And we can keep moving up levels as long as you can block and tackle at this level.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_00: In baseball, if you can hit three out of ten, we will find you a job.
1:04:48
SPEAKER_00: Bottom line, we'll find a job. Period.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_00: And so that's what athletes understand.
1:04:54
SPEAKER_00: And so the real world doesn't work that way.
1:04:56
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, we come out institutionalized.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_00: And so now when I talk about the brain damage stuff as well, right,
1:05:02
SPEAKER_00: there's the institutionalization by itself.
1:05:05
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_00: Now, for us to find out that there's accidental brain damage, well, hold on.
1:05:11
SPEAKER_00: We got such a double whammy that we don't even know where to start, bro.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_00: I don't know which part is the institutionalized part, which part is the damaged part.
1:05:20
SPEAKER_00: But like I said, for NFL players, it's for sure because there's been enough money,
1:05:24
SPEAKER_00: so we've seen the testing.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_00: But that's blocking and tackling at the highest and correct level.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_00: So if those are the numbers at that level,
1:05:31
SPEAKER_00: then I shudder to think what they are at the collegiate level.
1:05:34
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, knowing what a concussion is now,
1:05:37
SPEAKER_00: I can't count the number of concussions I had in high school.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't have counted them, knowing what they are now.
1:05:43
SPEAKER_00: So I'm not bashed at all.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I love the game.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_00: It's been everything to me.
1:05:48
SPEAKER_00: But we're having really deep conversations now,
1:05:51
SPEAKER_00: and we need guys to be able to have them a lot earlier.
1:05:54
SPEAKER_00: It's getting really serious in the league right now.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_00: So we've got to keep these doors open. So I appreciate it.
1:05:59
SPEAKER_00: No doubt about it, man.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_01: No doubt about it. And I think, to me,
1:06:04
SPEAKER_01: On the topic of brain injuries and CTE,
1:06:08
SPEAKER_01: the ultimate remedy is
1:06:11
SPEAKER_01: to find your passion and fucking figure out who you are
1:06:16
SPEAKER_01: in life after football.
1:06:18
SPEAKER_01: Re-identify yourself because that's one of the things that I see in my teammates.
1:06:25
SPEAKER_01: The heroes of the league, man, who are still holding on to this identity.
1:06:30
SPEAKER_01: They're in the worst shape because they're stuck.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_01: Oh, damn.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_01: And they're holding on to an identity that's dead.
1:06:40
SPEAKER_01: Wow. So it's not continuing to grow and evolve as a human being, man.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_01: It gets even darker, you know?
1:06:49
SPEAKER_00: But that's kind of what I mean.
1:06:51
SPEAKER_00: So I think one of the best things we can do is create a space.
1:06:55
SPEAKER_00: So I'm glad that you're here for this very reason, right?
1:06:57
SPEAKER_00: Because I want to shine a light on that.
1:07:00
SPEAKER_00: I want guys to know Maybe you're not going to be commentating football tomorrow.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you're going to be talking some other guys off the cliff tomorrow
1:07:07
SPEAKER_00: because this is real, right?
1:07:09
SPEAKER_00: And other people just don't understand, right?
1:07:12
SPEAKER_00: It looks all good and it's great, but it ain't all good.
1:07:19
SPEAKER_03: Just hearing you, both of you guys,
1:07:21
SPEAKER_03: obviously never reach something at this level that you guys talk about football,
1:07:26
SPEAKER_03: right? But like, I can't even imagine like this is your identity.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_03: It's so much adrenaline, so much excitement.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_03: And you guys are playing at the highest level with the highest eyeballs, right?
1:07:39
SPEAKER_03: And that's your identity.
1:07:41
SPEAKER_03: That's your identity.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_03: And from high school, you've been like playing and dreaming about this
1:07:45
SPEAKER_03: for a long time, right, Evan?
1:07:47
SPEAKER_03: And this is your identity for so long and you're fighting and, you know, blocking and tackling.
1:07:53
SPEAKER_03: And then now then you're no longer that.
1:07:56
SPEAKER_03: And how that feels, bro, that is crazy.
1:08:00
SPEAKER_03: Just, you know, to reach that level.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_01: It's a hard fall, brother.
1:08:03
SPEAKER_03: Forget about the football part.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_00: Just think about the identity part, right?
1:08:09
SPEAKER_00: If you have been identified as a flute player from the time you were
1:08:13
SPEAKER_00: in the third grade, and then one day somebody's like, hey, bro, hand in the flute.
1:08:17
SPEAKER_00: You're like, what? Give me the flute.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_00: Give it here.
1:08:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, no, but I still play.
1:08:22
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, you don't play.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_00: Hand over the flute.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_00: You're like, yeah, but I can play a little bit.
1:08:27
SPEAKER_00: You're like, no, no, there'll be no flute play.
1:08:29
SPEAKER_03: Analogy that the guy spends 25 years and you're like, nope, no more.
1:08:33
SPEAKER_03: I'm going to take your fucking flute away.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_03: God damn.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_00: But that's my point. And now if you add CTE on top of that, you see what I mean?
1:08:41
SPEAKER_00: That's already such a, like, wow, what a big, worst way to think of it.
1:08:46
SPEAKER_02: Mental health.
1:08:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Right?
1:08:49
SPEAKER_00: It's a really big deal. Yeah.
1:08:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:08:53
SPEAKER_00: But what he said is exactly that.
1:08:54
SPEAKER_00: We have to find ways for guys to be able to evolve.
1:08:57
SPEAKER_00: And this is such a real space.
1:09:01
SPEAKER_00: Like having a space.
1:09:03
SPEAKER_00: There's the part in college, like I said,
1:09:04
SPEAKER_00: we didn't know that blacking out meant that was a problem.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_00: We were like, yeah, you really laid a good one on him. Right?
1:09:10
SPEAKER_00: That was a rule.
1:09:12
SPEAKER_00: Try to hit him hard enough to knock yourself out.
1:09:14
SPEAKER_00: If I try to knock myself out, he's going down, bro. Period.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_00: And that's just how we thought about it.
1:09:20
SPEAKER_03: Listen, I'll tell you a funny story.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_00: First day on campus at Nebraska, right?
1:09:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm like 6'4", 200 pounds.
1:09:27
SPEAKER_00: Trev Alberts is our starting defensive end.
1:09:30
SPEAKER_00: Trev is all man, right?
1:09:31
SPEAKER_00: He's probably 6'4", 230, 240 at the time.
1:09:33
SPEAKER_00: But we're doing this like a form tackling drill.
1:09:36
SPEAKER_00: Now, in high school, form tackling, you know, you get low, you put your head down,
1:09:40
SPEAKER_00: and you dip it. This guy's 240 pounds.
1:09:43
SPEAKER_00: I've never tackled anybody over 190 in my life.
1:09:46
SPEAKER_00: So first open drill, I run right up to him, and I put my head down low,
1:09:51
SPEAKER_00: and I literally, my helmet hit his balls.
1:09:53
SPEAKER_00: I literally bounced off.
1:09:54
SPEAKER_00: I fell flat on my back.
1:09:57
SPEAKER_00: This is in Nebraska, first day of practice.
1:09:58
SPEAKER_00: He's looking down at me, and he's like, he stands me up.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_00: He grabs me by my jersey, stands me up. This is Nebraska, son.
1:10:04
SPEAKER_00: We tackle face-to-face here.
1:10:07
SPEAKER_00: But from that day forward, no, bro.
1:10:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to bash your lights out.
1:10:13
SPEAKER_00: And now it wasn't being mean.
1:10:15
SPEAKER_00: That's just how you hit.
1:10:16
SPEAKER_00: Corey Schlesinger was my fullback.
1:10:18
SPEAKER_00: So I learned on the scout team, I'm feeling nice though,
1:10:21
SPEAKER_00: but Corey Schlesinger smashed me in the face.
1:10:23
SPEAKER_00: And we thought Black and I was part of the game.
1:10:26
SPEAKER_00: And listen, I don't want to take that away from the game.
1:10:29
SPEAKER_00: But if the younger kids knew that, hey,
1:10:31
SPEAKER_00: there's a certain time when you got to tell us this and you got to tell us that,
1:10:33
SPEAKER_00: it's okay to talk about The emotional stuff that it's causing as well.
1:10:37
SPEAKER_00: Because if not, then right, then we just go drug and drink it up and it just gets worse.
1:10:44
SPEAKER_01: And maybe you do that anyway, you know?
1:10:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:10:50
SPEAKER_01: In your back pocket is this idea because you've heard the guys who have come
1:10:55
SPEAKER_01: before you and what they've struggled with and how they've made it back
1:10:58
SPEAKER_01: into the light, which going back to your initial comments, brother, like,
1:11:04
SPEAKER_01: I think that's why I feel so compelled to share so honestly because, you know,
1:11:10
SPEAKER_01: I've sat with guys.
1:11:11
SPEAKER_01: I've sat with Hall of Famers who have been
1:11:16
SPEAKER_01: in the darkest pits of hell after football.
1:11:22
SPEAKER_01: But they don't want to talk about it and they don't want to say what really worked
1:11:26
SPEAKER_01: for them because it fucks with their brand and they're a guy who's on TV,
1:11:32
SPEAKER_01: a talking head, you know?
1:11:34
SPEAKER_01: And I'm sitting there looking at him like, dude, you help nobody, bro.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_01: You're a fucking Hall of Famer.
1:11:43
SPEAKER_01: That's true. You've struggled.
1:11:46
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know how many guys...
1:11:49
SPEAKER_01: Like one, my daughter and I looked up the statistics for the number
1:11:54
SPEAKER_01: of college players that go to the NFL.
1:11:56
SPEAKER_01: It's like 1% that get drafted.
1:11:59
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:12:00
SPEAKER_01: Maybe fucking 1% of NFL players become Hall of Famers.
1:12:06
SPEAKER_01: So that's like a whole other echelon.
1:12:08
SPEAKER_01: Right? Right.
1:12:10
SPEAKER_01: Now, how many guys are dying homeless in the streets, fucking drug addicted,
1:12:15
SPEAKER_01: in black depressions, can't Facebook go on psychotic rampages?
1:12:21
SPEAKER_01: The numbers are crazy, guys.
1:12:23
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's a reality that most guys who play in the NFL deal with.
1:12:28
SPEAKER_01: Nobody really talks about it.
1:12:31
SPEAKER_01: So you're a Hall of Famer who's been through some shit.
1:12:33
SPEAKER_01: Your life was not easy in life after football before you figured your shit out.
1:12:38
SPEAKER_01: But the shit that you did to figure yourself out,
1:12:41
SPEAKER_01: you're not willing to share because it'll hurt your brand.
1:12:44
SPEAKER_01: You're not helping anybody because the guy who's sitting there going, I'm fucked up.
1:12:51
SPEAKER_01: I can't even look at my wife.
1:12:52
SPEAKER_01: I can't look at my kids.
1:12:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, I got to pop pills every day to get through the day.
1:12:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm looking at this guy on TV.
1:13:01
SPEAKER_01: He just had it figured out.
1:13:02
SPEAKER_01: No, he didn't, dude.
1:13:04
SPEAKER_01: He was right where you were, had to walk through the fire, did the shit.
1:13:09
SPEAKER_01: He got himself right this way, this way, this way, this way, getting his body right.
1:13:14
SPEAKER_03: Why would that be bad for his brand, bro?
1:13:17
SPEAKER_03: Like if we're in this like authenticity thing and we're...
1:13:20
SPEAKER_03: You know, people would appreciate it.
1:13:22
SPEAKER_03: Why would it just be commercially, you know, like if it's for the brand?
1:13:25
SPEAKER_01: Right. I mean, that's a bigger question.
1:13:27
SPEAKER_01: What the fuck is the deal with mainstream media that you can't be totally real?
1:13:33
SPEAKER_01: You know, the emergence of things like this.
1:13:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. When we get into, when we get into the plant medicines and we start,
1:13:40
SPEAKER_00: when we start getting into that space, I love the space.
1:13:43
SPEAKER_00: What he's saying is if you're on a network.
1:13:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. NBC. Or you got a network deal of some sort.
1:13:51
SPEAKER_00: Depending on which pharmacy company or whatever brand you have deals with,
1:13:57
SPEAKER_00: you're not allowed to tell stories about that.
1:13:59
SPEAKER_00: You air that story, somebody's going to call it out on the network and say, who okayed that?
1:14:06
SPEAKER_00: Football's like that because it's so popular and it's such a media thing.
1:14:11
SPEAKER_00: That's the scary part.
1:14:12
SPEAKER_00: There are guys that are dying because they can't talk about the stuff.
1:14:18
SPEAKER_00: You know what? I have no ties.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_00: I can say whatever I want.
1:14:21
SPEAKER_00: If there are mushrooms that I take, I like lion's mane mushrooms.
1:14:29
SPEAKER_00: There are all kinds of mushrooms,
1:14:31
SPEAKER_00: but there are different things that can do different things for people.
1:14:33
SPEAKER_00: Now, some people may or may not like mushrooms.
1:14:35
SPEAKER_00: Some people don't like eating fungus.
1:14:37
SPEAKER_00: Some people might not like the use of mushrooms,
1:14:39
SPEAKER_00: but because of the way that they work or because of some of the effects
1:14:43
SPEAKER_00: that they have, they might
1:14:47
SPEAKER_00: That counter indicates or be used instead
1:14:52
SPEAKER_00: of other medications.
1:14:54
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_00: There you go, brother.
1:14:56
SPEAKER_00: There are some people that are very high up.
1:14:58
SPEAKER_00: And as soon as he said it, I was like, what?
1:14:59
SPEAKER_00: To follow the money, brother. Right.
1:15:01
SPEAKER_00: Damn.
1:15:03
SPEAKER_00: And he's not saying he can't say anything because then it would cost him
1:15:06
SPEAKER_00: so much money on the other end because now you don't get invited on the show.
1:15:09
SPEAKER_00: Now you will not be commentating after the so-and-so.
1:15:12
SPEAKER_00: We will not be having you at the so-and-so.
1:15:14
SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
1:15:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude.
1:15:17
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, this is sports.
1:15:19
SPEAKER_00: It's such a big business, you know, and this isn't a knock.
1:15:22
SPEAKER_00: It just is a business, right?
1:15:23
SPEAKER_00: There is a corporate office.
1:15:25
SPEAKER_00: So there are lots of things the guys want to say, but I'll get called into the office.
1:15:28
SPEAKER_00: Like, well, he doesn't, but he's in the Hall of Fame.
1:15:31
SPEAKER_03: Did you know all this, Cisco?
1:15:33
SPEAKER_03: Did you know all this as a non-sports player?
1:15:36
SPEAKER_03: Isn't that a blow your mind?
1:15:39
SPEAKER_00: It's a big deal. And that's why I didn't want him to say it.
1:15:41
SPEAKER_00: Because now, in fact, there's nothing to say, but
1:15:45
SPEAKER_00: He's just talking, we're having conversations, because he has relationships,
1:15:48
SPEAKER_00: and there are people that are still, so there are things that he should never,
1:15:51
SPEAKER_00: ever indicate, because why would we indicate such indications?
1:16:04
SPEAKER_01: The solution, you know, the solution is to fucking just be honest
1:16:09
SPEAKER_01: about what you've been through.
1:16:10
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's what I'm here to be.
1:16:12
SPEAKER_03: That's the fucking solution, bro.
1:16:16
SPEAKER_00: That is, because if you lead with that, then the rest is not really a thing, right?
1:16:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about what I've been through, right?
1:16:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm not trying to stop an empty source, but right.
1:16:24
SPEAKER_00: We're all afraid.
1:16:26
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, we take a conversation here and I'm sure we'll go other places too.
1:16:31
SPEAKER_03: Dude, this is Vibe Sesh, baby.
1:16:33
SPEAKER_03: Welcome to Vibe Sesh, baby.
1:16:38
SPEAKER_03: But Evan, let's get back to you, right?
1:16:42
SPEAKER_03: And I want to talk about, and I want to start here because it's super interesting,
1:16:47
SPEAKER_03: man, because I've been like thinking a lot about this as well.
1:16:50
SPEAKER_03: But in another conversation, one of your videos, Man, this really stayed with me.
1:16:57
SPEAKER_03: You said, when I'm triggered or when I'm in my lowest point,
1:17:02
SPEAKER_03: I'm still like the chubby little awkward kid with bad teeth.
1:17:10
SPEAKER_03: Bro, bro, bro, before that, I want to know, take me back.
1:17:13
SPEAKER_03: I would love to meet that kid.
1:17:15
SPEAKER_03: Like, tell me, you have a very interesting family, yoga mom, both athletes,
1:17:20
SPEAKER_03: NCAA Division One, your father, blah, you know, all these.
1:17:24
SPEAKER_03: Walk us through your story, because I want to know this chub, like, because it's so crazy, too.
1:17:29
SPEAKER_03: You're like this cool, masculine dude, and you got this fucking inner child,
1:17:34
SPEAKER_03: this chubby little awkward kid with bad teeth, bro.
1:17:39
SPEAKER_03: So walk us through that story, brother.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_01: Little Ev.
1:17:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
1:17:46
SPEAKER_01: Born in New York City.
1:17:49
SPEAKER_01: Dropped in in the Big Apple.
1:17:52
SPEAKER_03: I grew up in Queens, brother.
1:17:54
SPEAKER_01: That's dope, man.
1:17:56
SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, lived in Brooklyn until I was 10.
1:18:01
SPEAKER_01: My parents.
1:18:03
SPEAKER_01: Mom is a lifetime athlete.
1:18:05
SPEAKER_01: Dad, D1 basketball player.
1:18:08
SPEAKER_01: Also interesting through line of artistry.
1:18:11
SPEAKER_01: My dad, after his basketball career, became a painter.
1:18:14
SPEAKER_01: My mom became a journalist and then a master yoga therapist, body worker.
1:18:19
SPEAKER_01: My grandmother on my mom's side is an academy award-winning actress.
1:18:27
SPEAKER_01: Won Best Supporting Actress in Bonnie and Clyde in 1967.
1:18:32
SPEAKER_01: Her name's Estelle Parsons.
1:18:34
SPEAKER_01: Played Roseanne's mom on the Roseanne TV show.
1:18:39
SPEAKER_01: For years, I was like a Broadway legend.
1:18:45
SPEAKER_01: And so interesting background, you know, really blessed, honestly.
1:18:50
SPEAKER_01: Like my family is hilarious, incredible, deep thinkers.
1:18:58
SPEAKER_01: I was surrounded by like sports.
1:19:02
SPEAKER_01: Great books, literature turned on to like, you know,
1:19:06
SPEAKER_01: world-class thinkers and films and art and always going to museums.
1:19:12
SPEAKER_01: And anyway, and then there was like alcoholism and, you know,
1:19:15
SPEAKER_01: mental health shit and like, you know,
1:19:18
SPEAKER_01: a whole mix of like New Englander fucking culture.
1:19:24
SPEAKER_01: And, um...
1:19:27
SPEAKER_01: My parents got divorced when I was seven and, you know, it was fucking devastating, man.
1:19:31
SPEAKER_01: I, you know, I wrote about it in my book.
1:19:33
SPEAKER_01: It was certainly, uh, it was a, uh,
1:19:37
SPEAKER_01: a paradigm setting experience
1:19:40
SPEAKER_01: that kind of set the tone for the rest,
1:19:44
SPEAKER_01: the next 25 years, you know?
1:19:49
SPEAKER_01: And, um,
1:19:52
SPEAKER_01: After the divorce, I was super, I was fucking super depressed, super angry.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_01: And food was like the thing that I used to self-medicate, you know?
1:20:04
SPEAKER_01: And I remember it was,
1:20:09
SPEAKER_01: I was probably like eight or nine.
1:20:12
SPEAKER_01: And we had these incredible Jamaican babysitters in Brooklyn.
1:20:16
SPEAKER_01: My mom would always hire these Jamaican women who would be my babysitters.
1:20:21
SPEAKER_01: And, uh, I remember, and they were beloved, Claudette and Lorna, remember them both.
1:20:28
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, they were like family, they were like my godmothers.
1:20:34
SPEAKER_01: And I remember vividly seeing one
1:20:39
SPEAKER_01: of them for the first time after, like,
1:20:42
SPEAKER_01: not seeing them for a year or two.
1:20:46
SPEAKER_01: I was probably nine or 10 and they were walking up the street in Brooklyn.
1:20:50
SPEAKER_01: I could still see it. I was, and I was so excited to see him.
1:20:53
SPEAKER_01: I ran up to them and they said something like, Evan,
1:20:56
SPEAKER_01: you've gained so much weight or, you know, like, Like, what's going on?
1:21:02
SPEAKER_01: Like, you've gotten so big or something.
1:21:05
SPEAKER_03: You're so happy to see them, but that's what they say.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God, bro.
1:21:10
SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God, that hurts, bro.
1:21:13
SPEAKER_01: And then on top of that, I also had this snaggle tooth.
1:21:19
SPEAKER_01: So one of my teeth in the front, the adult tooth came in, and the other one was a baby tooth.
1:21:26
SPEAKER_01: Goddamn.
1:21:28
SPEAKER_01: You got that fixed, though.
1:21:30
SPEAKER_01: I did.
1:21:31
SPEAKER_01: I got it fixed.
1:21:34
SPEAKER_01: Thank God. That's easy.
1:21:36
SPEAKER_01: But also looking back, it's like, fuck it, man.
1:21:40
SPEAKER_01: If I had a snaggle tooth now, I'd fucking rock it. You know what I mean?
1:21:43
SPEAKER_01: You'd rock a snaggle tooth?
1:21:45
SPEAKER_01: You know, I feel grateful that, you know, we got it fixed.
1:21:49
SPEAKER_01: But so that was kind of like all I was always super.
1:21:53
SPEAKER_01: And I was always the biggest kid in class.
1:21:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm 6'6", 260 now, you know.
1:21:59
SPEAKER_01: I left the league at 3.30.
1:22:04
SPEAKER_01: Wow. My last year in Chicago playing for the Bears, I was 3.30.
1:22:09
SPEAKER_01: A lot of steaks, a lot of fucking deep fish, dude.
1:22:12
SPEAKER_01: A lot of wine.
1:22:14
SPEAKER_03: A lot of wine?
1:22:15
SPEAKER_01: A lot of beer.
1:22:16
SPEAKER_01: A lot of beer.
1:22:18
SPEAKER_03: A lot of everything.
1:22:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a lot of it all. That sounds like the lie, bro.
1:22:22
SPEAKER_03: A lot of beer, a lot of wine, a lot of steak, bro.
1:22:25
SPEAKER_03: That fucking paradox.
1:22:28
SPEAKER_01: What was the favorite foods? Favorite foods?
1:22:31
SPEAKER_01: My favorite place in Chicago is this place, Joe's.
1:22:34
SPEAKER_01: Joe's Stone Crab.
1:22:35
SPEAKER_01: It's a steakhouse.
1:22:37
SPEAKER_01: And they've got these stone crab claws.
1:22:40
SPEAKER_01: I think they have one in, like, Miami, too.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_01: But, dude, it was fucking, you know.
1:22:45
SPEAKER_01: Meal dinners were epic, bro.
1:22:47
SPEAKER_01: And it was always on the big guy.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_01: It was always on the big guy.
1:22:51
SPEAKER_01: It was always on me.
1:22:53
SPEAKER_01: And I was happy to provide for my people, you know.
1:22:57
SPEAKER_03: Bro, bro, bro, but Evan, so you were high sometimes when you were doing the steak
1:23:03
SPEAKER_03: at the Stone Crab Club?
1:23:05
SPEAKER_03: Were you high and had the munchies vibe?
1:23:09
SPEAKER_01: Occasionally, I don't know, maybe.
1:23:12
SPEAKER_03: You don't feel like it's different?
1:23:14
SPEAKER_03: Like eating food and enjoying food high versus not high?
1:23:19
SPEAKER_03: Really?
1:23:22
SPEAKER_01: Well, sometimes, you know, that was kind of my interesting relationship with cannabis.
1:23:28
SPEAKER_01: I would say even today, like cannabis to me is a truth teller.
1:23:33
SPEAKER_01: Oh, interesting.
1:23:36
SPEAKER_01: So the cannabis plant, you'll have a psychotic break on cannabis
1:23:42
SPEAKER_01: if you're living totally out of alignment with yourself.
1:23:45
SPEAKER_00: Oh, shit.
1:23:46
SPEAKER_01: And then you consume cannabis and all of a sudden your psyche goes right
1:23:51
SPEAKER_01: to the places in your life where you're fucking up.
1:23:56
SPEAKER_01: And if you're out of alignment and if you're out of sorts on the inside, dude,
1:24:00
SPEAKER_01: cannabis is going to go right there, bro.
1:24:02
SPEAKER_01: And it's not going to be a fun time at all.
1:24:05
SPEAKER_03: I've just had good experience with cannabis. So what does that mean?
1:24:08
SPEAKER_03: So I'm in alignment.
1:24:09
SPEAKER_01: I think you're doing well, bro.
1:24:11
SPEAKER_01: I didn't say you were doing well.
1:24:12
SPEAKER_03: You're vibing.
1:24:13
SPEAKER_01: That is great, bro.
1:24:15
SPEAKER_03: Damn.
1:24:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean I smoked a lot of it man and I had a lot of deep experiences like I had
1:24:27
SPEAKER_01: so much time with the plant that I really just started to go I had it had to become
1:24:33
SPEAKER_01: a spiritual process
1:24:36
SPEAKER_01: because otherwise I would otherwise I would have been taken
1:24:41
SPEAKER_01: to a mental institution on numerous occasions.
1:24:45
SPEAKER_01: Like cannabis would take me out, you know?
1:24:49
SPEAKER_01: So that's why I, you know, I don't smoke weed anymore.
1:24:52
SPEAKER_01: It's not, I love the cannabis plant,
1:24:55
SPEAKER_01: but it's just not something like I got the last call, the last message, you know,
1:25:01
SPEAKER_01: around that time, right before rehab.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_01: And it was like, brother, we're done here.
1:25:10
SPEAKER_01: Put the phone down.
1:25:11
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
1:25:14
SPEAKER_01: Like it's not working anymore.
1:25:15
SPEAKER_03: But Eben, like for you though, like for me, I don't know, like because I started cannabis late.
1:25:20
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if it's late, in my 40s, right?
1:25:22
SPEAKER_03: I'm 51.
1:25:24
SPEAKER_03: And I feel like I have a really good relationship with it right now.
1:25:28
SPEAKER_03: I love that.
1:25:29
SPEAKER_03: I would love to do it every, I mainly do edibles, 10 milligram edibles, right?
1:25:34
SPEAKER_03: That's nice.
1:25:35
SPEAKER_03: I would like to do it every day.
1:25:37
SPEAKER_03: But I'm like, oh, I just do it two times a week.
1:25:40
SPEAKER_01: Well, what is that?
1:25:43
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean? What is that?
1:25:44
SPEAKER_01: What is that feeling that you're like,
1:25:50
SPEAKER_01: I only want to do it twice a week?
1:25:52
SPEAKER_01: What's that?
1:25:54
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
1:25:55
SPEAKER_03: That's a really good way to ask that.
1:26:03
SPEAKER_01: What is that? Cause I'd have the same thing.
1:26:05
SPEAKER_01: I'd have, and then I just, you know, I'd fucking go, eh,
1:26:09
SPEAKER_01: I'll just use it every day or, eh, you know,
1:26:11
SPEAKER_01: and then I'd take long breaks and then I'd come back.
1:26:14
SPEAKER_01: But I was like, what is the tension inside of like, why, what's going on here that,
1:26:19
SPEAKER_01: um, why isn't it just, oh, I'm going to have a little weed.
1:26:25
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to, you know, I'm going to enjoy this thing.
1:26:27
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to interact with this thing.
1:26:30
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to have this experience.
1:26:32
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
1:26:33
SPEAKER_01: But Evan, let me ask you something.
1:26:36
SPEAKER_01: That's just for you, brother.
1:26:38
SPEAKER_01: That's just for you.
1:26:39
SPEAKER_03: I'm going to be even more transparent because I'm feeling good here.
1:26:41
SPEAKER_03: I feel like it's a safe space.
1:26:42
SPEAKER_03: But Evan, I'm being serious right now.
1:26:45
SPEAKER_03: And I've told Cisco this, okay?
1:26:47
SPEAKER_03: I don't think I've shared this live, but I'm going to tell you this is a special moment.
1:26:52
SPEAKER_03: But Evan, I've done 50 vibe sessions on X, close to 50.
1:26:58
SPEAKER_03: So over a year, just showing up, showing up.
1:27:00
SPEAKER_03: Like, even though I didn't want to.
1:27:02
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I started enjoying it.
1:27:03
SPEAKER_03: But it was out of my comfort zone.
1:27:05
SPEAKER_03: And then here now we're at like 35 or so.
1:27:08
SPEAKER_03: So call it nearly 100 vibe sessions.
1:27:11
SPEAKER_03: Okay?
1:27:13
SPEAKER_03: Every single one, I have to be high.
1:27:17
SPEAKER_03: What does that mean, bro?
1:27:18
SPEAKER_03: What does that mean, bro?
1:27:19
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, cool when I'm not high, bro.
1:27:22
SPEAKER_03: But I have never done a Vibe Sesh not high.
1:27:26
SPEAKER_03: What is that, bro?
1:27:28
SPEAKER_03: What is that, bro?
1:27:29
SPEAKER_01: What if you just try it?
1:27:31
SPEAKER_01: Just try one where you're not.
1:27:34
SPEAKER_03: Gary, though, bro. I'll be there with you, bro.
1:27:38
SPEAKER_03: My guy, my brother, bro. Goddamn.
1:27:42
SPEAKER_01: Well, here's a thing I've learned from teaching yoga.
1:27:46
SPEAKER_01: Another thing I do, I teach yoga.
1:27:49
SPEAKER_01: I love teaching yoga.
1:27:50
SPEAKER_01: It's one of my favorite things.
1:27:51
SPEAKER_01: Been doing yoga since I was 10.
1:27:56
SPEAKER_01: And so I have this thing.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_01: I have this practice every class.
1:28:04
SPEAKER_01: I come in.
1:28:06
SPEAKER_01: I say hello to everybody.
1:28:08
SPEAKER_01: I stand up on the podium.
1:28:09
SPEAKER_01: Before we start the class, I acknowledge every person in the room.
1:28:15
SPEAKER_01: I say everybody's name.
1:28:18
SPEAKER_01: My mom will usually come to class, mom, I see you, Gina, Raven, yes, I love it.
1:28:25
SPEAKER_01: Jim, John, Sarah, see all you guys.
1:28:29
SPEAKER_01: Say everybody's name in the class.
1:28:30
SPEAKER_01: It might be 50 people, I say everybody's name.
1:28:33
SPEAKER_03: You memorized all their fucking names?
1:28:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's part of my brain work.
1:28:39
SPEAKER_01: In the brain health conversation, I challenge myself to memorize everybody's name.
1:28:47
SPEAKER_01: So one time I had one of the teachers who did my teacher training.
1:28:53
SPEAKER_01: He trained me, and he's an incredible teacher.
1:28:56
SPEAKER_01: He's super clean, like super precise.
1:29:00
SPEAKER_01: I really respect his feedback.
1:29:01
SPEAKER_01: So he comes to my class, and after the class he goes, you know,
1:29:05
SPEAKER_01: I notice you say everybody's name.
1:29:07
SPEAKER_01: And to be honest with you, I don't really like it.
1:29:12
SPEAKER_01: I've been in a class where it kind of takes away from the experience.
1:29:20
SPEAKER_01: I had this teacher once who would come and be like, oh, Gina, how are you?
1:29:26
SPEAKER_01: You got your nails done?
1:29:28
SPEAKER_01: And then there's like, John, good to see you.
1:29:31
SPEAKER_01: You walk your dog this morning, which I don't do. I don't do that.
1:29:36
SPEAKER_01: I just acknowledge everybody.
1:29:37
SPEAKER_03: You just say, hey, everybody.
1:29:38
SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
1:29:40
SPEAKER_01: I feel like, and so he challenged me.
1:29:42
SPEAKER_01: He was like, I don't mind it if this is something you do, but I would challenge you,
1:29:48
SPEAKER_01: if this is something you just do on autopilot, what's the reason behind it?
1:29:56
SPEAKER_01: Why are you doing that?
1:29:58
SPEAKER_01: And I decided, because the next class I came in, I was like, all right, I'm just going to try.
1:30:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to say everybody's names.
1:30:08
SPEAKER_01: I did it, and I was like, something's missing.
1:30:10
SPEAKER_01: The energy is not the same.
1:30:13
SPEAKER_01: Even the students, I could tell, were like, yo, dude, like, where?
1:30:17
SPEAKER_01: I like being acknowledged.
1:30:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like being seen, you know?
1:30:23
SPEAKER_01: And so it didn't feel right.
1:30:24
SPEAKER_01: So the next class, and for every other class since then, I do the same thing every time.
1:30:29
SPEAKER_01: And I can tell some students are like, here he goes with the name thing.
1:30:31
SPEAKER_01: But other people are like, yes, love it.
1:30:34
SPEAKER_01: And for me, it's like throughout the class, there's nothing more important.
1:30:38
SPEAKER_01: You're about to do 90 minutes and 105 fucking humid degrees.
1:30:43
SPEAKER_01: It's hot.
1:30:45
SPEAKER_01: You know there's going to be moments of misery.
1:30:48
SPEAKER_01: I want to know this thing has got me, dude.
1:30:51
SPEAKER_01: And by me acknowledging everybody, I'm going, I see you, bro, and I'm going to take care of you.
1:30:57
SPEAKER_03: Bro, you know what I love about what you said?
1:30:59
SPEAKER_03: What you're saying here is that That whole kind
1:31:02
SPEAKER_03: of self-evaluation process made you not be on autopilot.
1:31:07
SPEAKER_03: So you took yourself out of autopilot and you were like, okay, let me see, let me see.
1:31:11
SPEAKER_03: No, no, I do actually like it.
1:31:14
SPEAKER_03: It is aligned with who I am.
1:31:16
SPEAKER_03: But it took that pause, it took that gap between the stimulus and the response
1:31:23
SPEAKER_03: for you to figure that out.
1:31:24
SPEAKER_03: And then you can proceed with your response, but you had that gap.
1:31:28
SPEAKER_03: Where you had the clarity to think about,
1:31:30
SPEAKER_03: is this aligned with my intentions and my values, right?
1:31:34
SPEAKER_01: Exactly right.
1:31:36
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, the offering is whatever we're doing, dude, I've done it too, man.
1:31:40
SPEAKER_01: I mean, there was a time I was like, bro,
1:31:43
SPEAKER_01: I can't play in a football game without fucking Adderall anymore.
1:31:48
SPEAKER_01: Now, at that point, I was way too deep in to fucking be conscious enough
1:31:53
SPEAKER_01: to do anything about it.
1:31:54
SPEAKER_01: And it was close to the end of my career.
1:31:57
SPEAKER_01: But, you know, that lingered for a long time.
1:32:00
SPEAKER_03: That idea like...
1:32:03
SPEAKER_03: So what was that?
1:32:04
SPEAKER_03: Because that's the equivalent of what's happening with me with Edible, right?
1:32:07
SPEAKER_03: So for you, what was that when you were like, I can't perform without Adderall?
1:32:12
SPEAKER_03: Like, was that real?
1:32:13
SPEAKER_03: Like, I guess it's not real?
1:32:15
SPEAKER_03: Like, you did use Adderall?
1:32:18
SPEAKER_01: It was 100%.
1:32:20
SPEAKER_01: It became a self-worth thing.
1:32:22
SPEAKER_01: Like, I can't play at the level I need to play unless...
1:32:27
SPEAKER_01: Which was a belief that I created.
1:32:30
SPEAKER_01: You know, I just created that belief.
1:32:32
SPEAKER_01: And then there have been moments like I do a lot of group coaching,
1:32:35
SPEAKER_01: teaching yoga classes, doing a lot of events.
1:32:37
SPEAKER_01: I got to show up and be in front of a lot of people.
1:32:40
SPEAKER_01: And there was this whisper like, oh, bro, we need a little something.
1:32:45
SPEAKER_01: We need a little something.
1:32:47
SPEAKER_01: Give me a little something to buffer the, you know, it'll make it fun, dude.
1:32:52
SPEAKER_01: But then I'm like, fuck that.
1:32:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to show up just raw and real.
1:32:57
SPEAKER_01: And fucking give him everything I got.
1:33:00
SPEAKER_01: And usually what I find, dude, is the high that I experience is like, oh,
1:33:05
SPEAKER_01: I didn't even know this was possible.
1:33:07
SPEAKER_03: Goddamn, I have something to look into.
1:33:10
SPEAKER_03: So you're saying, Evan, it's only upside from here.
1:33:14
SPEAKER_03: If I do not do the edible, just show up raw and real like you said,
1:33:18
SPEAKER_03: the high is even going to be better.
1:33:20
SPEAKER_03: That's a nice incentive right there.
1:33:23
SPEAKER_01: 100%.
1:33:24
SPEAKER_01: That's a possibility.
1:33:26
SPEAKER_01: And I will say that it's just really, dude,
1:33:30
SPEAKER_01: it's just an opportunity for you to get out of autopilot and unconscious behavior.
1:33:36
SPEAKER_03: Pattern interrupts.
1:33:37
SPEAKER_01: And if you go, hey man, you know what?
1:33:41
SPEAKER_01: I actually just enjoy the fucking vibe when I take a little edible and I jump on these vibes.
1:33:47
SPEAKER_01: And that's cool.
1:33:49
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
1:33:52
SPEAKER_01: Like we're too fucking buttoned up, dude.
1:33:55
SPEAKER_03: Exactly, bro.
1:33:56
SPEAKER_01: We're too fucking buttoned up and like, you know, let your balls out, brother.
1:34:02
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean? Fucking like, be real.
1:34:05
SPEAKER_01: You know?
1:34:07
SPEAKER_01: Just be you, dude.
1:34:10
SPEAKER_01: Just be you, dude.
1:34:11
SPEAKER_01: My thing is, like, if there's tension, there's something to acknowledge.
1:34:18
SPEAKER_01: If you're doing it and there's no tension, you're totally free, bro.
1:34:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:34:23
SPEAKER_03: Bro, that's how I feel.
1:34:25
SPEAKER_03: That's the task.
1:34:26
SPEAKER_03: The only reason I feel tension is, again,
1:34:29
SPEAKER_03: it's like this thing that I have this story in my head
1:34:35
SPEAKER_03: that maybe I should feel tension.
1:34:38
SPEAKER_03: But for me, I feel like I'm doing it two times a week.
1:34:41
SPEAKER_03: So in my mind, I'm like, oh, you're responsible.
1:34:44
SPEAKER_03: And every Wednesday when you're high, it's enjoyable.
1:34:48
SPEAKER_03: And this is like my ritual.
1:34:49
SPEAKER_03: It's like my thing.
1:34:50
SPEAKER_03: It's like my Wednesday night.
1:34:52
SPEAKER_03: I drink some wine.
1:34:53
SPEAKER_03: I have this kind of food.
1:34:55
SPEAKER_03: And I just get high.
1:34:56
SPEAKER_03: I dig it, brother. I dig it.
1:34:59
SPEAKER_01: Do you, baby.
1:35:01
SPEAKER_03: Cisco, what do you think?
1:35:02
SPEAKER_03: Since you as Gen Z have this issue.
1:35:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think like what he's saying,
1:35:06
SPEAKER_02: just try one and then see the message behind your head and how you're feeling
1:35:11
SPEAKER_02: and then go with that.
1:35:12
SPEAKER_03: But bro, I'm talking about you, dude.
1:35:14
SPEAKER_03: You're like, you know, you got like an issue with cannabis, dude.
1:35:16
SPEAKER_03: You haven't started very young.
1:35:21
SPEAKER_02: And then my responsibility is it's in the evening to finish off the day.
1:35:26
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I definitely, it's definitely a coping mechanism in that sort of sense too.
1:35:34
SPEAKER_02: But like him, I go to Vibe Sesh, I'll have the Benjamin rip it a little bit, show up.
1:35:39
SPEAKER_03: Benjamin, baby.
1:35:44
SPEAKER_03: But Cisco, do you feel like it's an issue with you?
1:35:46
SPEAKER_03: I think you mentioned that it was like maybe something.
1:35:49
SPEAKER_02: I would think so.
1:35:50
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've been doing it like consistently for like six years, so.
1:35:55
SPEAKER_02: You're 25, right?
1:35:56
SPEAKER_03: So since 19, you've been doing six years, you're saying, right?
1:35:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was kind of, it started 2020.
1:36:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:36:05
SPEAKER_02: So basically COVID.
1:36:08
SPEAKER_03: Hey, dude. What are you thinking?
1:36:11
SPEAKER_01: Well, here's just the slippery slope.
1:36:14
SPEAKER_01: I love it all, honestly.
1:36:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm a big fan of conscious, of state changers.
1:36:23
SPEAKER_01: Let's say that. Big fan of it.
1:36:28
SPEAKER_01: That being said, things that work for a period of time,
1:36:33
SPEAKER_01: in my experience,
1:36:35
SPEAKER_01: historically, there will come a time where you hit a ceiling on the growth
1:36:41
SPEAKER_01: and the expansion you may be able to experience
1:36:45
SPEAKER_01: because of something you're leaning on.
1:36:50
SPEAKER_01: You're an infinite fucking being, dude.
1:36:54
SPEAKER_01: Naturally, bro.
1:36:56
SPEAKER_01: So using something, it can get you somewhere.
1:36:59
SPEAKER_01: It's going to get you somewhere.
1:37:00
SPEAKER_01: It may even open your mind up to new possibilities, new dimensions of reality,
1:37:06
SPEAKER_01: new information that you couldn't access any other way.
1:37:11
SPEAKER_01: Everything provides you an opportunity with that.
1:37:14
SPEAKER_01: The thing is, when it becomes the walking stick that you're just taking around
1:37:20
SPEAKER_01: with you because you can't do without it, You're limiting yourself,
1:37:25
SPEAKER_01: eventually you limit yourself from, you know, think about you're on a hike, dude,
1:37:30
SPEAKER_01: and you've got a walking stick,
1:37:32
SPEAKER_01: and you've just spent so much time on your walking stick that you're like,
1:37:36
SPEAKER_01: you know what, just going on the path up the hill, I like that trip.
1:37:42
SPEAKER_01: But one day you get kind of fucking bored with it,
1:37:45
SPEAKER_01: but you can't let go of your walking stick for whatever reason.
1:37:48
SPEAKER_01: Now it's like it's almost surgically attached.
1:37:51
SPEAKER_01: And one day you're looking up at that rock face and you're going, damn, dude,
1:37:57
SPEAKER_01: I kind of want to go that way today.
1:38:00
SPEAKER_01: But you can't because the walking stick, you're committed.
1:38:03
SPEAKER_01: You've totally decided, like, I can't go anywhere without the walking stick, dude.
1:38:08
SPEAKER_01: So you're going to have to put the walking stick down
1:38:11
SPEAKER_01: so you can fucking scale this new cliff that goes somewhere you've never been
1:38:16
SPEAKER_01: before.
1:38:20
SPEAKER_01: You know?
1:38:21
SPEAKER_01: Because, dude, you get stagnant, man.
1:38:23
SPEAKER_01: That's how I ended up in rehab, bro, because I thought there was only one way to be,
1:38:27
SPEAKER_01: and I couldn't see my way out of it.
1:38:28
SPEAKER_01: I had gotten so deep.
1:38:30
SPEAKER_01: I was living with the fucking blinders on, and I was burned out, and I was tired,
1:38:35
SPEAKER_01: and I, like, couldn't see my way out of this thing, you know?
1:38:40
SPEAKER_01: So I had to go, oh, shit.
1:38:45
SPEAKER_01: I couldn't possibly get to where I need to go if I keep holding on to this bag of stuff.
1:38:51
SPEAKER_03: Evan, check out this quote.
1:38:53
SPEAKER_03: I just remember.
1:38:54
SPEAKER_03: Tell me if you can resonate with this.
1:38:56
SPEAKER_03: There was some dude that was going viral,
1:38:58
SPEAKER_03: this sentence that's related to what we're talking about.
1:39:01
SPEAKER_03: Every epiphany is a rut waiting to happen.
1:39:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, dude.
1:39:08
SPEAKER_01: One hundred.
1:39:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:39:11
SPEAKER_01: One hundred percent.
1:39:13
SPEAKER_01: But is that not crazy?
1:39:15
SPEAKER_03: You're like, there's a fucking epiphany.
1:39:17
SPEAKER_03: It's supposed to transform you and you're supposed to become enlightened.
1:39:21
SPEAKER_03: But it's a fucking rut waiting to happen.
1:39:25
SPEAKER_03: It's a fucking honeypot, bro.
1:39:27
SPEAKER_03: And you're like, oh, it's epiphany.
1:39:28
SPEAKER_03: It's all good. Right?
1:39:30
SPEAKER_03: It's a honeypot, bro.
1:39:32
SPEAKER_03: Well, here's the thing, dude.
1:39:34
SPEAKER_01: This is what I was talking about earlier where I felt like I had ascended.
1:39:37
SPEAKER_01: The epiphany, it levels you up, dude.
1:39:40
SPEAKER_01: You're living on a new plane of reality. You are.
1:39:43
SPEAKER_01: But it's still a plane.
1:39:45
SPEAKER_01: It's still another plane.
1:39:46
SPEAKER_01: It's another terrace.
1:39:48
SPEAKER_01: There's going to be another thing.
1:39:50
SPEAKER_01: There's more peaks.
1:39:51
SPEAKER_01: There's more fucking planes.
1:39:54
SPEAKER_01: But we get the epiphany.
1:39:56
SPEAKER_01: We're like, oh, yeah, baby. Just move in.
1:39:58
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to stay right here.
1:40:00
SPEAKER_01: I figured it out, bro.
1:40:01
SPEAKER_03: We're going to stay right here.
1:40:03
SPEAKER_03: This is it.
1:40:05
SPEAKER_03: It's comfy and cozy here.
1:40:06
SPEAKER_03: It's comfy and cozy here.
1:40:10
SPEAKER_01: Happens to me, I mean, I've really gotten into a place where, you know,
1:40:17
SPEAKER_01: like Cisco very wisely said, which is essentially the task and going back to,
1:40:24
SPEAKER_01: you know, kind of the theme of this conversation, like,
1:40:28
SPEAKER_01: I've really made it a life practice of like, let me just be in the fucking journey.
1:40:35
SPEAKER_01: You know, let me, let me, yeah, epiphany, that's cool.
1:40:41
SPEAKER_01: Tomorrow I might be in a depression, you know?
1:40:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to hold on too tight.
1:40:48
SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to hold on too tight, you know?
1:40:51
SPEAKER_01: Because I know that wherever I'm at, there's somewhere else to go, you know?
1:40:56
SPEAKER_01: And this isn't even it yet, you know?
1:41:01
SPEAKER_01: And that's a challenge.
1:41:03
SPEAKER_01: You know, again, I don't know if that's like
1:41:05
SPEAKER_01: the athlete blueprint that's just been fucking branded in my nervous system
1:41:11
SPEAKER_01: or if that's kind of a human condition which I would I would venture
1:41:16
SPEAKER_01: to say it's probably part of the human condition always thinking we've made it
1:41:20
SPEAKER_01: and thinking there's another fucking you know the carrot it's there's always
1:41:24
SPEAKER_01: a new carrot buddy you know and when I get
1:41:27
SPEAKER_01: the carrot it's all good we did it we did it we did
1:41:32
SPEAKER_01: and then and then you know you wake up the next day
1:41:35
SPEAKER_01: and you're like oh Nothing happened.
1:41:42
SPEAKER_03: But let me explain.
1:41:44
SPEAKER_03: Explain to us what happened recently, though.
1:41:47
SPEAKER_03: Why did you go to the weed and then you sought help, right?
1:41:53
SPEAKER_03: You were saying in your video.
1:41:54
SPEAKER_03: What was that?
1:41:56
SPEAKER_03: When you evaluated, you've done the inner work, what happened there?
1:42:02
SPEAKER_03: Because I feel like I should just be A little more aware about what could happen, right?
1:42:08
SPEAKER_03: Because it's like a human thing.
1:42:10
SPEAKER_01: I think you're safe, brother. Why?
1:42:12
SPEAKER_01: Why do you say that?
1:42:14
SPEAKER_03: Bro, I got some shit going on too, bro.
1:42:16
SPEAKER_03: Why do you say that, dude?
1:42:18
SPEAKER_01: No, no. I would say, you know, I mean,
1:42:22
SPEAKER_01: so the experience was
1:42:26
SPEAKER_01: and something that I've learned recently Very intimately
1:42:30
SPEAKER_01: about myself is, and I was programmed with this through football, dude.
1:42:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, like, I don't give a fuck how challenging it is.
1:42:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to get it done.
1:42:44
SPEAKER_01: How I get it done and by what means I get it done are like totally open, bro.
1:42:51
SPEAKER_01: I've got to go to practice on the starting right tackle
1:42:54
SPEAKER_01: for the Jacksonville Jaguars, and I've got a ruptured disc in my back.
1:43:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm about to go against fucking fire breathing dragons.
1:43:05
SPEAKER_01: I need to get something getting me going to get me out of pain.
1:43:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to take Adderall, Vicodin, I'm going to puff a weed pen,
1:43:15
SPEAKER_01: whatever I need to do to get out there to perform.
1:43:19
SPEAKER_01: There's no option, dude.
1:43:21
SPEAKER_01: So I carried that into my life.
1:43:24
SPEAKER_01: Like Larry said, dude, it's like, okay, block and tackle, baby.
1:43:27
SPEAKER_01: I'll do it by whatever means necessary.
1:43:30
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so then, you know, before I knew it, weed, kratom, you know,
1:43:36
SPEAKER_01: those were kind of the recent ones, you know,
1:43:38
SPEAKER_01: the last few years that I was just like, I'm waking up.
1:43:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm feeling tired.
1:43:45
SPEAKER_01: Shit's not, you know, that thing that I thought the pod that was going to be
1:43:51
SPEAKER_01: the fucking thing to make me famous or make me rich.
1:43:55
SPEAKER_01: Didn't happen.
1:43:56
SPEAKER_01: I still have to keep working.
1:43:58
SPEAKER_01: Blah, blah, blah.
1:44:00
SPEAKER_01: Whatever the stories are, you know.
1:44:02
SPEAKER_01: I thought the thing that was going to have me made it.
1:44:05
SPEAKER_01: I didn't make it.
1:44:06
SPEAKER_01: But I'm going to keep grinding.
1:44:08
SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to just, yeah, dude, I'll hit the weed.
1:44:10
SPEAKER_01: I'll take a little kratom.
1:44:12
SPEAKER_01: I'll get that call done.
1:44:13
SPEAKER_01: I'll do that thing.
1:44:15
SPEAKER_01: And I'll just steamroll through all the fucking messages that are coming through.
1:44:21
SPEAKER_01: Dude, I'm tired.
1:44:23
SPEAKER_01: My body's going, I'm tired, brother.
1:44:25
SPEAKER_01: Can we just rest?
1:44:27
SPEAKER_01: No, fuck no. We got a job to do.
1:44:29
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna get this job done.
1:44:32
SPEAKER_01: All right, take the stuff.
1:44:34
SPEAKER_01: Let's do the thing, get it in.
1:44:36
SPEAKER_01: So doing that over and over again, day in, day out, I don't know,
1:44:39
SPEAKER_01: for a couple of years probably.
1:44:43
SPEAKER_01: I woke up one morning and I was like, oh, I just like totally lost my will to live.
1:44:50
SPEAKER_01: And my interest in like anything I'm doing,
1:44:53
SPEAKER_01: the only thing I'm excited about is like getting to take a shot of Kratom
1:44:59
SPEAKER_01: or like puffing on the joint.
1:45:00
SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm excited about.
1:45:02
SPEAKER_01: Oh, fuck.
1:45:05
SPEAKER_01: All right. You know, and I had gotten pretty good at this.
1:45:09
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, around 2016,
1:45:13
SPEAKER_01: two years out of my NFL career where I hit my first essential rock bottom.
1:45:20
SPEAKER_01: Where that time I was literally looking in the mirror going,
1:45:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna kill myself or I'm gonna change.
1:45:27
SPEAKER_01: And for whatever reason, faith,
1:45:32
SPEAKER_01: my innate knowing that I have
1:45:37
SPEAKER_01: a higher power that has a greater plan for me,
1:45:41
SPEAKER_01: being surrounded by loving people, whatever it is, I decided to reach out for help.
1:45:47
SPEAKER_01: And so I recognized, I knew that there was a way out.
1:45:51
SPEAKER_01: I just couldn't see it.
1:45:54
SPEAKER_01: So I hit up, you know, basically the only guy I could think of who got me access
1:45:59
SPEAKER_01: to this NFL program, which going back to, you know,
1:46:04
SPEAKER_01: football and all the shit going on, the resources, you know,
1:46:07
SPEAKER_01: the NFL has really done a great job over the last few years creating programs
1:46:14
SPEAKER_01: for guys to get help.
1:46:16
SPEAKER_01: The thing is, you need to learn about it.
1:46:19
SPEAKER_01: You need to educate yourself.
1:46:22
SPEAKER_01: There's not really anybody holding your hand when you leave the league.
1:46:25
SPEAKER_01: They have some things with the PA.
1:46:28
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of mistrust there for various reasons.
1:46:34
SPEAKER_01: They created another group called the Players Trust,
1:46:36
SPEAKER_01: which feels a little more welcoming and comfortable with somebody who will kind
1:46:41
SPEAKER_01: of reach out and say, hey, if you check this out, there's, you know,
1:46:45
SPEAKER_01: Alumni chapter groups in your area.
1:46:48
SPEAKER_01: Go connect with guys.
1:46:52
SPEAKER_01: So the programs are out there.
1:46:54
SPEAKER_01: I had heard about it through other teammates, guys who had accessed it.
1:46:58
SPEAKER_01: And I just fucking made the call to get help, dude, you know.
1:47:03
SPEAKER_01: And I wasn't afraid to do that because I was like, I got, you know, at the time,
1:47:07
SPEAKER_01: I've got a 13-year-old daughter, 12-year-old daughter.
1:47:11
SPEAKER_01: That means the world to me.
1:47:13
SPEAKER_01: I was newly into a relationship
1:47:17
SPEAKER_01: with a woman who's my absolute soulmate life partner.
1:47:20
SPEAKER_01: We just got married in April.
1:47:23
SPEAKER_01: Congratulations. You know, and it's like, man, I got people.
1:47:26
SPEAKER_01: I got people that I need to show up for, you know.
1:47:32
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, and also, I mean, like, I got fucking business to take care of, dude.
1:47:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, I got shit. I got, I want to be a light in the world, man, you know.
1:47:44
SPEAKER_01: Like, I got more work to do.
1:47:46
SPEAKER_01: So I got to just get help.
1:47:49
SPEAKER_01: I got to get this fixed.
1:47:50
SPEAKER_01: And I needed something radical like going away for 30 days.
1:47:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, where it's pretty structured.
1:47:58
SPEAKER_01: Everything's taken care of.
1:48:00
SPEAKER_01: And you fuck it.
1:48:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just needed to like, okay, reset myself.
1:48:06
SPEAKER_01: We're used to programming, right?
1:48:07
SPEAKER_00: So you went someplace somebody showed us a new program? Got it.
1:48:10
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:48:11
SPEAKER_01: I wake up, I could get a workout in.
1:48:14
SPEAKER_01: I got group therapy at, you know, 9 a.m.
1:48:19
SPEAKER_01: I got a one-on-one, you know, counseling session.
1:48:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was like, cool, bro.
1:48:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
1:48:28
SPEAKER_01: You know, and so I really needed that because I...
1:48:34
SPEAKER_01: I needed, you know, I had gotten so far down the hole of,
1:48:38
SPEAKER_01: and this was something that, honestly, I mean, I've recognized it before,
1:48:43
SPEAKER_01: but it's one of those things and it's one of those programs that'll start running
1:48:48
SPEAKER_01: when shit gets hard, where it's like, oh,
1:48:50
SPEAKER_01: I got to take the world on my fucking back, bro.
1:48:53
SPEAKER_01: Let's take the world on my back.
1:48:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to climb up the mountain with fucking two broken legs, bro.
1:49:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to get it done.
1:49:02
SPEAKER_01: God damn.
1:49:04
SPEAKER_03: Bro, so what do you want to get done?
1:49:05
SPEAKER_03: Tell us what you're working on.
1:49:07
SPEAKER_03: I know you got, like, the community and you got your athlete program.
1:49:11
SPEAKER_01: Athletes Approach, yeah.
1:49:13
SPEAKER_03: Athletes Approach, yeah.
1:49:14
SPEAKER_03: Tell us what, like, so this vision, like, you say you're going to get at it.
1:49:17
SPEAKER_03: You're going to block and tackle now. Where are we going?
1:49:20
SPEAKER_03: Where are we going, baby?
1:49:21
SPEAKER_03: Where are we going, baby?
1:49:23
SPEAKER_03: And I want to be part of this, bro, so let's meet up.
1:49:26
SPEAKER_01: I want you to be a part of it, man.
1:49:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
1:49:31
SPEAKER_01: So I've got my group coaching program, The Athletes Approach,
1:49:36
SPEAKER_01: which is an eight-week intensive,
1:49:37
SPEAKER_01: essentially supplying people with the process I went
1:49:42
SPEAKER_01: through every time I've hit rock bottom and that I've gotten myself back up
1:49:47
SPEAKER_01: on my feet. Starts with the physical body.
1:49:50
SPEAKER_01: Take good care of your physical body, man.
1:49:52
SPEAKER_01: Commit to some form of exercise.
1:49:54
SPEAKER_01: You got to just move your body.
1:49:56
SPEAKER_01: You got to eat well.
1:49:58
SPEAKER_01: Start with the physical body.
1:50:02
SPEAKER_01: You start to build evidence in the subconscious mind.
1:50:04
SPEAKER_01: We can do new things.
1:50:05
SPEAKER_01: We can fucking get shit done.
1:50:07
SPEAKER_01: We can make it happen.
1:50:08
SPEAKER_01: We can commit.
1:50:10
SPEAKER_01: We can live in discipline.
1:50:11
SPEAKER_01: Then you get into the mental body.
1:50:13
SPEAKER_01: What are the limiting beliefs that I'm holding onto that are coloring my perception of reality?
1:50:19
SPEAKER_01: What are the ideas that I'm holding onto about myself?
1:50:22
SPEAKER_01: What's the old identity?
1:50:24
SPEAKER_01: How am I operating in my life that's holding me back from being the person
1:50:29
SPEAKER_01: that I know I was born to be?
1:50:30
SPEAKER_01: Then we get into the emotional body, letting go of the emotional baggage, dude.
1:50:36
SPEAKER_01: It's not an easy task, but we're all carrying around wounds that we've never taken
1:50:41
SPEAKER_01: the time to recognize.
1:50:43
SPEAKER_01: And for me, that was a big part of it.
1:50:44
SPEAKER_01: It's like, dude, you're hurting, man.
1:50:46
SPEAKER_01: You're hurting.
1:50:48
SPEAKER_01: You've been through a lot of life.
1:50:50
SPEAKER_01: You're hurting.
1:50:51
SPEAKER_01: Stop trying to mask the hurt.
1:50:53
SPEAKER_01: Just let it go.
1:50:55
SPEAKER_01: Unburden yourself with that pain.
1:50:58
SPEAKER_01: And then we get into the spiritual side of things,
1:51:01
SPEAKER_01: which is basically recognizing some
1:51:05
SPEAKER_01: of the spiritual laws that govern reality,
1:51:08
SPEAKER_01: cause and effect, the law of polarity, as above, so below,
1:51:14
SPEAKER_01: the law of correspondence, the universe is mental.
1:51:19
SPEAKER_01: Just so you can have an understanding
1:51:23
SPEAKER_01: of how energy moves.
1:51:26
SPEAKER_01: There's a structure to reality that governs things.
1:51:31
SPEAKER_01: It's like inertia, physics, quantum physics, all of these things.
1:51:35
SPEAKER_01: There's a way that things move.
1:51:36
SPEAKER_01: There's a way that energy moves.
1:51:37
SPEAKER_01: And when you have just even a fundamental understanding of that, you can start to go, oh, yeah.
1:51:44
SPEAKER_01: Because every time I do this, this happens.
1:51:48
SPEAKER_01: So I need to take a look at, take accountability for the things that I'm doing.
1:51:52
SPEAKER_01: How am I operating in my life?
1:51:53
SPEAKER_01: Because that's really creating my reality, you know?
1:51:58
SPEAKER_01: So that's my program. That's what I'm really fucking fired up about, man.
1:52:01
SPEAKER_01: I mean, anytime that I can connect with people,
1:52:03
SPEAKER_01: work with people in group settings or one-on-one, it's like, it feels like,
1:52:07
SPEAKER_01: it just lights me up, man.
1:52:09
SPEAKER_01: It stokes the fire.
1:52:10
SPEAKER_01: So I do my group coaching program.
1:52:12
SPEAKER_01: I do one-on-one coaching.
1:52:16
SPEAKER_01: Where are you located?
1:52:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm based in Austin, outside of Austin, Texas. Okay.
1:52:23
SPEAKER_01: But I go back and forth to L.A. pretty frequently.
1:52:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm in L.A. right now, actually.
1:52:30
SPEAKER_01: So, and then we do a lot of events.
1:52:32
SPEAKER_00: No, listen, this is really, this is so exciting.
1:52:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to say this now because it's going to sound so made up, but I'll say it now.
1:52:39
SPEAKER_00: So, it's called the Athletes Approach, right?
1:52:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:52:42
SPEAKER_00: So, if anything or near a computer, you can put in the Larry Arnold Approach.
1:52:46
SPEAKER_00: And so I created the Larry Arnold approach, however many years ago.
1:52:50
SPEAKER_00: Yours is better, first of all.
1:52:52
SPEAKER_00: So like on a whole bunch of other different levels.
1:52:55
SPEAKER_00: So I'm so freaking excited because literally over the last couple of weeks,
1:52:58
SPEAKER_00: I've been changing all my posts, even online.
1:53:01
SPEAKER_00: I just been going like hardcore and it's really been in this vein.
1:53:05
SPEAKER_00: And so to literally get on here and if you're going to sit here and say all this
1:53:08
SPEAKER_00: and you're like, it's called The Athlete's Pro.
1:53:10
SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, if people look this up now, they're going to swear I made this up.
1:53:13
SPEAKER_00: They're going to swear I tried it.
1:53:15
SPEAKER_00: But I got no problem saying His is so much deeper.
1:53:18
SPEAKER_00: But listen, I would have people trade with me,
1:53:20
SPEAKER_00: and I'm going to speak to almost every one of the points you made.
1:53:23
SPEAKER_00: I've been training people for years, 25 years now.
1:53:25
SPEAKER_00: When I left Nebraska, I went right into the fitness industry.
1:53:28
SPEAKER_00: And now I realize that what I'm truly selling is football programming.
1:53:32
SPEAKER_00: And not football programming,
1:53:34
SPEAKER_00: but it's a program.
1:53:36
SPEAKER_00: We're going to be loyal to, we're going to decide a program based on what you said you wanted.
1:53:40
SPEAKER_00: My job is to hold you through this.
1:53:42
SPEAKER_00: But I realize it's something that we learned in football.
1:53:45
SPEAKER_00: And so people pay a lot of money for it.
1:53:46
SPEAKER_00: So I started calling it, they started, they would call it the Larry Arnold experience.
1:53:50
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, no, it's just, it's the way that I approach it.
1:53:53
SPEAKER_00: And I didn't understand, like I'm looking at trainers, but like stuck up.
1:53:56
SPEAKER_00: I don't know why they do it like that.
1:53:59
SPEAKER_00: They're like, who do you think you are, bro?
1:54:00
SPEAKER_00: I learned lifting at the University of Nebraska.
1:54:03
SPEAKER_00: I learned lifting Oscar Power.
1:54:05
SPEAKER_00: You can't take me to 24 hour fitness.
1:54:07
SPEAKER_00: We're not going to argue about lifting, right?
1:54:11
SPEAKER_00: It's not debatable.
1:54:13
SPEAKER_00: And so what I thought was a lifting strategy, it wasn't at all.
1:54:17
SPEAKER_00: But now that I'm more into this headspace and I'm realizing what people have gone
1:54:21
SPEAKER_00: through and what we've had to go through to get to where we got to,
1:54:24
SPEAKER_00: the approach is more about that.
1:54:25
SPEAKER_00: It's about developing the person, right?
1:54:28
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
1:54:29
SPEAKER_00: The workout is a structure.
1:54:30
SPEAKER_00: It's a chance for me to speak into your life.
1:54:33
SPEAKER_00: But really what I'm going to do is exactly what they did to him.
1:54:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to put a mini camp around you.
1:54:39
SPEAKER_00: And there's only one thing that can happen.
1:54:41
SPEAKER_00: We'll come out of here knowing how to block a tackle.
1:54:42
SPEAKER_00: That's for sure. Right.
1:54:45
SPEAKER_00: That was the approach, but this is the deeper fundamental level.
1:54:49
SPEAKER_00: And really, I guess what I'm trying to support with it. Right.
1:54:52
SPEAKER_00: Because when we're talking about the repurposing of football players,
1:54:55
SPEAKER_00: like what are they supposed to do afterwards?
1:54:57
SPEAKER_00: You're supposed to go out and get involved in the athletes approach
1:55:00
SPEAKER_00: or whatever your version of that is.
1:55:03
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
1:55:04
SPEAKER_00: There's some other kids getting involved,
1:55:05
SPEAKER_00: and they have no idea what they're getting involved with.
1:55:08
SPEAKER_00: They have no idea where it's going.
1:55:09
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not going to begrudge them.
1:55:10
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to tell them to get off the bus at all. There's some things here.
1:55:13
SPEAKER_00: You need to take this bus kit with you, though.
1:55:15
SPEAKER_00: And in there, as an athlete's approach, you call that later, right?
1:55:20
SPEAKER_00: They won't know they're going to need it.
1:55:22
SPEAKER_00: By the time they know it, it's because something's already wrong, right?
1:55:27
SPEAKER_00: And so he was blessed, and I was blessed.
1:55:29
SPEAKER_00: If you're in the right situation when you make that reach,
1:55:34
SPEAKER_00: And there's the right people there, then great, because there are ways out.
1:55:38
SPEAKER_00: But if when you make the reach,
1:55:39
SPEAKER_00: if you don't know or you're in the wrong situation and you make that reach,
1:55:42
SPEAKER_00: it just gets worse.
1:55:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:55:45
SPEAKER_01: Why are you in LA or where are you?
1:55:48
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm in Phoenix.
1:55:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm in Phoenix.
1:55:51
SPEAKER_00: I left Nebraska, went out to San Francisco.
1:55:55
SPEAKER_00: There was a really big fitness company.
1:55:56
SPEAKER_00: We blew it up and then they bought some clubs out in Phoenix.
1:55:59
SPEAKER_00: I've been out here the last 20 years.
1:56:00
SPEAKER_00: I've been here since 9-11.
1:56:02
SPEAKER_01: Wow. Cool, man.
1:56:03
SPEAKER_01: Well, let's connect, brother.
1:56:05
SPEAKER_01: Let's all connect.
1:56:07
SPEAKER_03: Let's all meet in person, brother. Let's all meet in person.
1:56:10
SPEAKER_03: Listen, I like everything you said.
1:56:11
SPEAKER_03: I want to hug you guys, bro. You guys are huge.
1:56:13
SPEAKER_03: Same, brother.
1:56:15
SPEAKER_00: I like the vibe session.
1:56:19
SPEAKER_00: I think you can do different levels of high, right?
1:56:22
SPEAKER_00: Because you can still keep it as a vibe session.
1:56:24
SPEAKER_00: You can vibe on the lower frequency.
1:56:27
SPEAKER_00: You can have completely, you know what I mean?
1:56:29
SPEAKER_00: Like cannabis-free Tuesday.
1:56:32
SPEAKER_00: So there could be different levels of the same exact show.
1:56:34
SPEAKER_00: It could be different levels of the vibe.
1:56:36
SPEAKER_00: And then that's what he's saying.
1:56:37
SPEAKER_00: Ultimately, we want you, right?
1:56:40
SPEAKER_00: I can go get my own lead, bro.
1:56:44
SPEAKER_00: I was calling him to kick it with you.
1:56:46
SPEAKER_00: I can get tired by myself.
1:56:50
SPEAKER_03: Cisco, what do you got?
1:56:52
SPEAKER_03: What do you think so far?
1:56:53
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's kind of a redirect, but it's more of a question.
1:56:59
SPEAKER_02: Cause it's so interesting to hear your story and that now you guys are just teachers now.
1:57:04
SPEAKER_02: Like, and I want to explore like how rewarding that is now.
1:57:08
SPEAKER_02: And cause like, that's like your main thing going forward, right?
1:57:12
SPEAKER_02: Like you're just teaching at different capacities, I guess, but yeah, pretty much, man.
1:57:17
SPEAKER_01: Pretty much. What do you think about it?
1:57:20
SPEAKER_01: Anytime anybody says that I always hear that, that line call to mind, those who can't do teach.
1:57:29
SPEAKER_01: I used to hate it before.
1:57:30
SPEAKER_01: Right, exactly.
1:57:32
SPEAKER_01: Because the best teachers have done it.
1:57:36
SPEAKER_03: Who the fucking brainwashed us to believe that shit? You're right.
1:57:39
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, what the fuck?
1:57:41
SPEAKER_03: What the fuck? Yeah.
1:57:44
SPEAKER_00: Okay, but listen, but listen.
1:57:46
SPEAKER_00: Okay, and listen, I just, I'm 50, I'll be 53 this year,
1:57:49
SPEAKER_00: so I just heard that differently for the first time this year, okay? Goddamn.
1:57:54
SPEAKER_00: So check it out, check it out.
1:57:56
SPEAKER_00: Same exact state, same exact question.
1:57:59
SPEAKER_00: Those who can't do, teach.
1:58:01
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't mean you can't.
1:58:04
SPEAKER_00: It means when you can no longer do, then you would teach.
1:58:08
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm so real about this shit, and when I can't do, I'll teach.
1:58:11
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't mean...
1:58:11
SPEAKER_00: But right, I took it before the other way, like, motherfucker, hey, I can.
1:58:15
SPEAKER_00: Like, because some other guy was talking trash online today, some about calisthenics, exercise.
1:58:19
SPEAKER_00: And again, I'm ready to flash. I'm like, bro, don't question me.
1:58:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'll line it up right now.
1:58:22
SPEAKER_00: I don't know who the fuck you're talking to.
1:58:24
SPEAKER_00: Make no mistake.
1:58:26
SPEAKER_00: But...
1:58:27
SPEAKER_00: But on this one, just by hearing it differently,
1:58:30
SPEAKER_00: and I don't know if somebody said it differently, but I was like,
1:58:32
SPEAKER_00: those that can't do, because hell yeah, I do teach now, because if I could do it,
1:58:36
SPEAKER_00: and I don't mean I can't, I could, but then I'd pull a hamstring,
1:58:39
SPEAKER_00: and I don't want to pull a hamstring, so I can't.
1:58:41
SPEAKER_00: I can't.
1:58:43
SPEAKER_03: But Cisco, let me ask you something, Cisco.
1:58:45
SPEAKER_03: You're a young guy.
1:58:46
SPEAKER_03: You see us old Gen Xers talking.
1:58:50
SPEAKER_03: How are you feeling about this?
1:58:51
SPEAKER_03: Because I feel like what's happening here, we got to do something here, guys.
1:58:56
SPEAKER_03: We got to collaborate. Like what Evan was saying, a lot of this stuff is
1:58:59
SPEAKER_02: taboo in just modern contexts.
1:59:04
SPEAKER_02: And the fact that each of you are comfortable to share and be vulnerable.
1:59:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean, as a young man, you don't see men do that in general.
1:59:13
SPEAKER_02: And so I'm very appreciative.
1:59:16
SPEAKER_02: And there's a lot of wisdom in people's pain.
1:59:20
SPEAKER_02: And then I get the fortunate experience to hear it and I don't have to go through it.
1:59:26
SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, brother.
1:59:27
SPEAKER_03: Hopefully, brother.
1:59:30
SPEAKER_03: But you're more prepared if you go through it.
1:59:32
SPEAKER_00: You're more prepared. Yeah.
1:59:34
SPEAKER_00: Being aware of pain does not mean you will avoid it.
1:59:37
SPEAKER_00: It means you just be aware. You still feel it.
1:59:40
SPEAKER_00: And that's another thing in football.
1:59:42
SPEAKER_00: Listen, in football and in training, it hurts, bro.
1:59:45
SPEAKER_00: Just because you know why it hurts, just because you know what hurts, it still hurts.
1:59:49
SPEAKER_00: We're just going to do it anywhere.
1:59:52
SPEAKER_03: Guys, I have a question then.
1:59:53
SPEAKER_03: So then what is the point of us teaching?
1:59:56
SPEAKER_03: Us three Gen Xers here teaching guys like Cisco.
1:59:59
SPEAKER_03: He has to go through his own shit.
2:00:01
SPEAKER_03: Where's the balance?
2:00:02
SPEAKER_00: We promise you that you're going to F it up over and over again.
2:00:07
SPEAKER_00: Do not give up.
2:00:10
SPEAKER_00: That's the point of teaching because this pain We'll have you at the point.
2:00:15
SPEAKER_00: And every man who is a man who's lived as a man, you've been there.
2:00:22
SPEAKER_00: And the only reason we're still here is because we know not to give up.
2:00:25
SPEAKER_00: That's why we're teaching.
2:00:27
SPEAKER_03: The teaching is to make people not give up, bro.
2:00:31
SPEAKER_03: It's not to teach the details or anything.
2:00:34
SPEAKER_03: It's to inspire people not to fucking give up by sharing these stories
2:00:39
SPEAKER_03: and telling our fucking being vulnerable.
2:00:42
SPEAKER_03: God damn.
2:00:43
SPEAKER_03: That's what it is.
2:00:45
SPEAKER_00: No, that's why I was thanking you, sir, because Right.
2:00:50
SPEAKER_00: We got to have a place where we can tell these guys, do not give up.
2:00:54
SPEAKER_00: You created the space.
2:00:56
SPEAKER_00: He and I, you're right.
2:00:57
SPEAKER_00: We're guys who are willing to say it.
2:00:58
SPEAKER_00: You created a space.
2:01:00
SPEAKER_00: I would be over here talking to my people.
2:01:01
SPEAKER_00: He'd be over there talking to his people.
2:01:03
SPEAKER_00: You created a space.
2:01:05
SPEAKER_00: And so now these other football players who are willing to talk
2:01:09
SPEAKER_00: because they can't talk in the other spaces.
2:01:12
SPEAKER_00: So that's why I was thanking you however many weeks ago when I came off.
2:01:16
SPEAKER_00: Like, you don't realize what you're doing.
2:01:18
SPEAKER_00: You're creating this space.
2:01:20
SPEAKER_00: Where now guys can talk and now younger guys can listen.
2:01:23
SPEAKER_03: God damn, we're from a community, bro.
2:01:25
SPEAKER_03: Let's all combine forces.
2:01:27
SPEAKER_03: We're trying to keep men alive, bro.
2:01:30
SPEAKER_00: We're trying to keep men alive.
2:01:31
SPEAKER_00: This
2:01:34
SPEAKER_03: shit is rough.
2:01:36
SPEAKER_03: Bro, but I've been hearing about the statistics
2:01:39
SPEAKER_03: about mental health month just passed, right?
2:01:45
SPEAKER_03: Like, bro, I didn't realize how bad it is out there.
2:01:47
SPEAKER_03: What do you mean, dude?
2:01:49
SPEAKER_01: Where are you at, brother?
2:01:51
SPEAKER_01: It's bad, bro.
2:01:53
SPEAKER_00: Bad. It's really bad, though.
2:01:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how much you know, but he talks a little bit, divorce, this,
2:02:02
SPEAKER_00: but he's so zen, he was getting his shit back.
2:02:05
SPEAKER_00: He was pilling himself back together.
2:02:06
SPEAKER_00: Like, the normal men, bro, they're jumping.
2:02:11
SPEAKER_00: They're taking pills. They were already...
2:02:13
SPEAKER_00: So messed up to begin with.
2:02:15
SPEAKER_00: So now a couple more glasses is enough to take you over the edge, right?
2:02:19
SPEAKER_00: They're functional and damn near dead.
2:02:22
SPEAKER_00: So now something goes wrong.
2:02:26
SPEAKER_00: One good night, you know, it's bad like that, bro.
2:02:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's hard in every single way.
2:02:31
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, this is a really big deal, this space.
2:02:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're calling it mental illness.
2:02:35
SPEAKER_00: Hell, I'm calling it manhood.
2:02:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
2:02:38
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean? We're going through it. Yeah, go ahead.
2:02:42
SPEAKER_01: I don't think I really became, I'm 39. I'm a millennial.
2:02:46
SPEAKER_03: You're young, holy shit.
2:02:48
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, I'm a millennial.
2:02:50
SPEAKER_03: I don't know why I called him a Gen X, just me and Larry, bro.
2:02:54
SPEAKER_01: Fuck, dude.
2:02:55
SPEAKER_03: He's like, fuck you, bro.
2:02:56
SPEAKER_01: He's like, I can't still do it.
2:03:00
SPEAKER_03: I'm not, no.
2:03:02
SPEAKER_03: He's like, I'm 30, bro.
2:03:09
SPEAKER_01: But, you know,
2:03:16
SPEAKER_01: I think there's a, Cisco, I think that there's a big,
2:03:21
SPEAKER_01: there's a big movement with the Gen Zers and I have to think that it has to do
2:03:26
SPEAKER_01: with the ones who There's
2:03:30
SPEAKER_01: a lot of really fucking conscious Gen Zers, man.
2:03:33
SPEAKER_01: Yes, but there's also some crazy Gen Zers.
2:03:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and really fucked up ones.
2:03:41
SPEAKER_01: But I will say that I feel like the Gen Z
2:03:45
SPEAKER_01: that are of your ilk, Cisco,
2:03:49
SPEAKER_01: you guys have taken all the information that us,
2:03:55
SPEAKER_01: the generations that have come before you, Through fucking social media,
2:04:00
SPEAKER_01: through technology, you've somehow integrated so much information
2:04:06
SPEAKER_01: that you guys are kind of operating at a different level at a younger age.
2:04:10
SPEAKER_03: That's a real thing that I'm saying.
2:04:15
SPEAKER_03: I was not this wise when I was 25 years old.
2:04:17
SPEAKER_03: I tell him all the time, bro. I tell him all the time.
2:04:20
SPEAKER_01: I was a fucking barbarian at 26.
2:04:26
SPEAKER_01: Dude, I was smashing beer mugs in the frat dude's heads.
2:04:31
SPEAKER_01: Bro, I woke up in the morning, on Sunday morning, in a sewer, bro.
2:04:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, literally.
2:04:39
SPEAKER_03: Anybody could, like, park their car in front of my head, bro.
2:04:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, dude. You know what I'm saying?
2:04:46
SPEAKER_03: That's my 25 years old, and now we have Cisco. Yeah.
2:04:50
SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
2:04:51
SPEAKER_03: Eben, please talk some sense into Cisco, because he's been my partner for so long.
2:04:55
SPEAKER_03: I believe in this guy so much.
2:04:57
SPEAKER_03: And even just your reaction to this guy, you're like, bro,
2:05:00
SPEAKER_03: you know he's a special Den Z, but he doesn't see it himself, bro.
2:05:06
SPEAKER_03: Or he does see it himself, but he can't act to go towards that potential of his.
2:05:11
SPEAKER_03: For example, he like posted stuff.
2:05:14
SPEAKER_03: He wants to do lives.
2:05:16
SPEAKER_03: He has like a job right now with a family business, but When you break it down,
2:05:21
SPEAKER_03: he wants to do lives.
2:05:23
SPEAKER_03: He loves being a co-host.
2:05:25
SPEAKER_03: I want him to be the host.
2:05:27
SPEAKER_03: He's ready for that next step.
2:05:30
SPEAKER_03: And so he knows, we've identified that this is where he's most alive.
2:05:35
SPEAKER_03: So I was like, dude, start your own live, I'll be there with you, I'll be your co-host, right?
2:05:41
SPEAKER_03: And start posting content, because he wants to meet women, right?
2:05:45
SPEAKER_03: And I think it's the best way to meet women, to put yourself out there,
2:05:48
SPEAKER_03: your authentic self, and then have the ladies DM you,
2:05:52
SPEAKER_03: and then you can figure things out.
2:05:54
SPEAKER_03: I feel like that's the best thing.
2:05:56
SPEAKER_03: He put out videos, but then he would erase them, bro.
2:06:00
SPEAKER_03: No, brother.
2:06:01
SPEAKER_03: Bro, so, like, I'm trying to figure out, like, is this just time?
2:06:06
SPEAKER_03: Or what can we say to young Cisco to say that, like, you got so much potential,
2:06:11
SPEAKER_03: this is an amazing, magical world, which you said as well, even in recently, right?
2:06:15
SPEAKER_03: Like, these are magical times.
2:06:17
SPEAKER_03: And I agree.
2:06:18
SPEAKER_03: And so then I'm like, for me as his like mentor and guy who's been over, you know,
2:06:23
SPEAKER_03: like being with him for so long, I'm just like, oh, I'm impatient, bro.
2:06:28
SPEAKER_03: I'm impatient, but I like, I don't want to like push that on Cisco, but I'm like,
2:06:33
SPEAKER_03: bro, you got so much potential.
2:06:35
SPEAKER_03: There's amazing shit going on.
2:06:38
SPEAKER_03: Like, go for it.
2:06:39
SPEAKER_01: No, dude, I think this is such a,
2:06:43
SPEAKER_01: I love this convo because it's so, so good, man.
2:06:47
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, for me, dude, everything, all the changes,
2:06:52
SPEAKER_01: all the big leaps that I've ever taken in my life have come through necessity,
2:06:58
SPEAKER_01: to be honest with you.
2:07:00
SPEAKER_01: And that could be an external thing happens that causes this need to change.
2:07:06
SPEAKER_01: Or I hit critical mass on an emotional,
2:07:09
SPEAKER_01: psychic level inside that like I can't sleep at night unless I do this,
2:07:17
SPEAKER_01: unless I take the next step.
2:07:20
SPEAKER_01: So I'll say for you, and it's really important that you have guys like Lee
2:07:26
SPEAKER_01: who can go, They're just looking
2:07:29
SPEAKER_01: at you seeing pure energetic potential, dude.
2:07:34
SPEAKER_01: Like the sky's the limit for you, brother.
2:07:36
SPEAKER_01: You're 26, you're doing, like, you know, you're already doing shit.
2:07:41
SPEAKER_01: So that creates a tension in you because he's gonna fucking catapult you.
2:07:47
SPEAKER_01: He's a catalyst for you to make the change that you're already feeling called to, right?
2:07:53
SPEAKER_01: But you're going to take your time because, you know,
2:07:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to fucking say it, but the little that we've known each other,
2:08:00
SPEAKER_01: finding out that you're, you know, a daily cannabis user, I was too at your age,
2:08:05
SPEAKER_01: bro. If that's the worst you're doing, fuck, you're killing it. Killing it.
2:08:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I touched nothing else.
2:08:11
SPEAKER_01: Which is going to cause you, it's going to cause you to.
2:08:15
SPEAKER_03: Cannabis, bro, is that what we're talking about?
2:08:18
SPEAKER_03: I thought it was bad for you.
2:08:20
I thought it was bad for this guy.
2:08:21
SPEAKER_03: I was like, he's too young.
2:08:23
SPEAKER_00: Well, I didn't finish, though.
2:08:25
SPEAKER_00: No, no, let him finish.
2:08:27
SPEAKER_00: Let him finish, because I see where he's going. Let him finish.
2:08:29
SPEAKER_01: Because you're overthinking shit, dude,
2:08:33
SPEAKER_01: and you're leaning on this thing and probably smoking the cannabis every day.
2:08:37
SPEAKER_01: You get in your head.
2:08:38
SPEAKER_01: You post something.
2:08:40
SPEAKER_01: It felt good.
2:08:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I had to say this.
2:08:43
SPEAKER_01: You smoke, you start thinking about it, or you were stoned already.
2:08:47
SPEAKER_01: You're going through the motions.
2:08:48
SPEAKER_01: Too many thoughts are coming up, dude.
2:08:51
SPEAKER_01: Too many thoughts starts to become a distraction.
2:08:54
SPEAKER_01: You go, start to second guess yourself.
2:08:56
SPEAKER_01: You start to doubt yourself.
2:08:58
SPEAKER_01: And then you're in that spiral.
2:09:00
SPEAKER_01: Then you get really inspired again.
2:09:04
SPEAKER_01: You go into that spiral, you delete the post.
2:09:06
SPEAKER_01: Then you're going, you're grooving, you're grooving, you're cruising,
2:09:09
SPEAKER_01: you're in your comfort zone, you're doing what you love.
2:09:11
SPEAKER_01: You get inspired again, you make a post.
2:09:15
SPEAKER_01: Then you start hitting the pen, hitting Benjamin.
2:09:19
SPEAKER_03: Is that what you're feeling, Cisco?
2:09:20
SPEAKER_03: Because I don't feel like you went through that.
2:09:22
SPEAKER_03: I feel like you're just like, I don't know what to talk about.
2:09:25
SPEAKER_03: I don't want to, I don't, because you feel like I kind of like pressured you to post
2:09:30
SPEAKER_03: and you were like, okay, because I was saying at the time, Cisco,
2:09:34
SPEAKER_03: just post once a day, every day, blah, blah, blah.
2:09:37
SPEAKER_02: It's a mix of an absence of like topics or like what I could even talk about.
2:09:43
SPEAKER_02: And, um, Yeah.
2:09:45
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he was kind of accurate there where what I did create, where I kind of just said that.
2:09:50
SPEAKER_02: And then I was, I was like, Oh, I just looked fucking like myself pathetic or something.
2:09:56
SPEAKER_02: Like I'm just complaining online, like whatever.
2:09:59
SPEAKER_01: And then this is the problem, bro.
2:10:02
SPEAKER_01: This is the problem with substances that I love, by the way,
2:10:05
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to give that caveat love substances.
2:10:08
SPEAKER_01: Honestly, I do.
2:10:10
SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, you know, the problem is with the user.
2:10:14
SPEAKER_01: You know?
2:10:16
SPEAKER_01: So, when you start to lean on something, dude, you get super distracted.
2:10:21
SPEAKER_01: You don't have a clear channel inside.
2:10:24
SPEAKER_01: With yourself, with God, spirit,
2:10:28
SPEAKER_01: intuition, all of your inspiration, dude,
2:10:32
SPEAKER_01: gets blocked eventually by using a substance all the time to create your art.
2:10:39
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
2:10:40
SPEAKER_01: So...
2:10:41
SPEAKER_01: You know, and you'll be on your journey with that, dude.
2:10:44
SPEAKER_01: One day you'll wake up and you'll go, fuck it. It's time.
2:10:47
SPEAKER_01: I can't do it anymore.
2:10:51
SPEAKER_03: Damn! That's so true, bro.
2:10:54
SPEAKER_03: You're just going to reach that point, bro.
2:10:58
SPEAKER_03: But Evan, like, my question, though, is for Cisco, does that mean,
2:11:02
SPEAKER_03: because you're almost saying, like, hey, bro, you're going to know no matter what.
2:11:07
SPEAKER_03: Like you're gonna reach a point whether you fucking do it or not, you know?
2:11:11
SPEAKER_03: Like so, but then does that mean like, does he just chills?
2:11:16
SPEAKER_03: And he's like, okay, yeah, I'm not doing shit for a while.
2:11:19
SPEAKER_03: I'm cool. I'm gonna learn.
2:11:20
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna reach that point where it's gonna force me to fucking change and post
2:11:25
SPEAKER_03: or whatever it is.
2:11:26
SPEAKER_03: Like, so is that what you're saying?
2:11:28
SPEAKER_03: Just let it flow.
2:11:29
SPEAKER_03: Don't give a shit or move towards that or not, you know?
2:11:34
SPEAKER_01: I would say commit yourself to things that you're excited about right now.
2:11:44
SPEAKER_01: And move through those moments where you're going, I don't know, man.
2:11:49
SPEAKER_01: I'm tired of being the co-host.
2:11:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm tired of being the co-host.
2:11:54
SPEAKER_01: Why are you tired of being it?
2:11:55
SPEAKER_01: Not...
2:11:58
SPEAKER_01: Fixing it, running away,
2:12:02
SPEAKER_01: changing the situation doesn't solve the problem.
2:12:08
SPEAKER_01: Doesn't solve the question of why am I tired of it?
2:12:13
SPEAKER_01: You gotta squeeze all the juice.
2:12:16
SPEAKER_01: You gotta squeeze all the juice that you can out of every moment of your life,
2:12:20
SPEAKER_01: every phase that you're in. You know what I mean?
2:12:23
SPEAKER_03: Squeeze the juice out of every phase of your life, brother.
2:12:27
SPEAKER_03: Goddamn.
2:12:28
SPEAKER_01: Because there's a thing, you know, in 12-step programs, there's this thing,
2:12:33
SPEAKER_01: especially when it comes to relationships or jobs,
2:12:38
SPEAKER_01: things that have a spiritual charge to them, relationships, you know,
2:12:42
SPEAKER_01: relationships with people, particularly with intimate partners and job career.
2:12:49
SPEAKER_01: There's a thing that can happen where you start looking for the exit.
2:12:54
SPEAKER_01: Right?
2:12:55
SPEAKER_01: Because you feel unsafe.
2:12:57
SPEAKER_01: You feel like you're not good enough anymore.
2:13:00
SPEAKER_01: It's not hitting the button that it used to hit.
2:13:03
SPEAKER_01: So you're like, okay, how do I fix this? Where do I go?
2:13:06
SPEAKER_01: What do I do?
2:13:08
SPEAKER_01: But by just walking out the door and leaving the thing,
2:13:11
SPEAKER_01: you're missing out on all the wisdom that you're going to gain when you see it
2:13:15
SPEAKER_01: through.
2:13:17
SPEAKER_01: Because I believe 100% there's a plan, dude.
2:13:21
SPEAKER_01: There's a plan. And you're here for a reason.
2:13:23
SPEAKER_01: You're gaining invaluable information right now doing this that's going
2:13:28
SPEAKER_01: to inform your next phase that you'll know, bro.
2:13:32
SPEAKER_01: You'll know.
2:13:34
SPEAKER_01: There will be one day you can't keep yourself from making a video.
2:13:40
SPEAKER_03: God damn, I can't wait for that day, bro.
2:13:42
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna cry on that day, bro.
2:13:44
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna fucking cry, bro.
2:13:45
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna fucking cry.
2:13:46
SPEAKER_01: There'll be a day where you just fucking pull it out and it's like God speaks through you, dude.
2:13:52
SPEAKER_03: Oh, God damn.
2:13:54
SPEAKER_03: And I really believe that. The vessel, right?
2:13:56
SPEAKER_03: You know Rick Rubin, right, Evan?
2:13:57
SPEAKER_01: Rick Rubin? 100%, dude.
2:13:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm a huge, yeah.
2:14:00
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's how I got started on here, man. What do you mean? Rick Rubin?
2:14:05
SPEAKER_01: On Instagram. No.
2:14:07
SPEAKER_01: Just like social media.
2:14:10
SPEAKER_01: I, I, it was, it was, you know, divine inspiration.
2:14:17
SPEAKER_01: I would just pull, I'd be on a walk.
2:14:19
SPEAKER_01: I'd pull my phone out of my pocket.
2:14:21
SPEAKER_01: I had something to say.
2:14:22
SPEAKER_01: I'd hit fucking share.
2:14:24
SPEAKER_01: And like, all of a sudden people were like, yeah.
2:14:28
SPEAKER_03: How many times are we living that we can do this, guys?
2:14:33
SPEAKER_03: That's what you're saying about magical.
2:14:36
SPEAKER_03: Tell us, Evan, why are you saying this is a time of magical?
2:14:40
SPEAKER_03: I know it's the age of Aquarius.
2:14:42
SPEAKER_03: Go into that a little.
2:14:43
SPEAKER_03: Like, let's get a little woo-woo now.
2:14:45
SPEAKER_03: Let's get a little woo-woo.
2:14:47
SPEAKER_03: Like, why are you saying it's magical?
2:14:48
SPEAKER_03: Because my feeling, Eben, is like, it is fucking magical.
2:14:53
SPEAKER_03: AI is crazy.
2:14:54
SPEAKER_03: The fact that we're doing this, the fact that I met you, Larry and Cisco,
2:14:59
SPEAKER_03: the fact that I've, you know,
2:15:01
SPEAKER_03: I've resonated so much that I've gotten these followers in like 10 months.
2:15:05
SPEAKER_03: I mean, what is going on right now?
2:15:07
SPEAKER_03: It's magical, bro.
2:15:09
SPEAKER_03: Like, it's so, so, like, I don't even know what's going on, but explain,
2:15:12
SPEAKER_03: because you were We just hit
2:15:14
SPEAKER_03: hyperspeed boy.
2:15:21
SPEAKER_03: Well, first of all, man, I, I, this, this,
2:15:40
SPEAKER_01: This mantra started coming out of me around that time, you know,
2:15:48
SPEAKER_01: around that time where I thought I was, like, ascended.
2:15:51
SPEAKER_01: And this thing just, like, or ascending, whatever, you know, that's kind of the way I put it.
2:15:56
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't even conscious of that, but looking back, I was certainly expecting to be,
2:16:00
SPEAKER_01: like, dissolving into light at some point, you know?
2:16:06
SPEAKER_01: But this thing just started to spontaneously...
2:16:10
SPEAKER_01: Come out of my mind and I started to say it to everybody and people were like,
2:16:14
SPEAKER_01: you know, it was so true.
2:16:16
SPEAKER_01: And I'd say life is a miracle.
2:16:18
SPEAKER_01: You know, life is a miracle.
2:16:21
SPEAKER_01: And on just, let's just start with,
2:16:26
SPEAKER_01: take everything that's going on in the world out of it.
2:16:30
SPEAKER_01: The fact that you were born is
2:16:35
SPEAKER_01: a fucking miracle.
2:16:41
SPEAKER_01: The sperm of your father connected with the egg inside your mother and it grew
2:16:47
SPEAKER_01: and the cells multiplied and divided and became you?
2:16:54
SPEAKER_01: And you've got like a heart and lungs and a brain and this consciousness?
2:16:58
SPEAKER_01: Like, the fuck?
2:17:00
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't even make sense.
2:17:03
SPEAKER_01: Like, what?
2:17:05
SPEAKER_01: It's a miracle, you know?
2:17:07
SPEAKER_01: So take that, just point blank.
2:17:10
SPEAKER_01: I mean, right there, it's like, where do we go from here?
2:17:13
SPEAKER_01: It's already fucking miraculous.
2:17:17
SPEAKER_03: What is going on right now?
2:17:19
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if I could go on.
2:17:23
SPEAKER_02: I don't know where we're going from.
2:17:25
SPEAKER_02: I think the chances of being born is like one in 400 trillion.
2:17:29
SPEAKER_02: It's like some crazy number like that.
2:17:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's crazy, man. It's crazy.
2:17:35
SPEAKER_01: I'll look that up.
2:17:36
SPEAKER_01: So just there, you know, it's like, wow, holy shit.
2:17:40
SPEAKER_01: When you really get into that, it's like, oh my, like, wow.
2:17:44
SPEAKER_01: You know, and then you start to think about everything that humanity has been
2:17:49
SPEAKER_01: through, death, wars, fucking unbelievable atrocities,
2:17:55
SPEAKER_01: unbelievable technological advances.
2:17:58
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're living in a time that's,
2:18:04
SPEAKER_01: That where the most people in the history of the world
2:18:09
SPEAKER_01: that have ever experienced peace and comfort and,
2:18:14
SPEAKER_01: you know, things like, you know,
2:18:17
SPEAKER_01: utilities like power and running water, like, no,
2:18:21
SPEAKER_01: there's never been so much comfort
2:18:25
SPEAKER_01: and resources available to people, you know?
2:18:30
SPEAKER_01: Miracle.
2:18:32
SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable moment to be alive.
2:18:34
SPEAKER_01: Take into it technology and social media and the fact that we can connect like this.
2:18:41
SPEAKER_01: You guys are in different places all over the planet.
2:18:43
SPEAKER_01: We're having this super deep convo and connecting.
2:18:47
SPEAKER_01: And there's been an incredible group of people that's just been watching
2:18:52
SPEAKER_01: and jamming along with us and on the vibe.
2:18:56
SPEAKER_01: It's miraculous.
2:18:57
SPEAKER_01: It's mind-blowing.
2:18:59
SPEAKER_01: You can pull out your phone.
2:19:00
SPEAKER_01: You can record a video.
2:19:01
SPEAKER_01: I can be in LA.
2:19:03
SPEAKER_01: Record a video.
2:19:05
SPEAKER_01: Hit send on this thing called Instagram.
2:19:10
SPEAKER_01: And people, hundreds of thousands of people in Australia and across the world,
2:19:15
SPEAKER_01: in Russia, New York City, everywhere in between are fucking going to check it out
2:19:21
SPEAKER_01: and watch it.
2:19:22
SPEAKER_01: And vibe with it and resonate and go like, holy shit, dude.
2:19:26
SPEAKER_01: I thought the same thing yesterday.
2:19:29
SPEAKER_01: You know, like I'm on the same vibe.
2:19:32
SPEAKER_01: This guy, this guy's talking about it.
2:19:34
SPEAKER_01: I was just having a conversation with my buddy about this yesterday.
2:19:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, I can't tell you how many times I've hit a post and somebody's like,
2:19:42
SPEAKER_01: I was just talking to my girlfriend about this.
2:19:46
SPEAKER_03: Isn't that incredible, the algorithms that kind of like fucking match that message
2:19:52
SPEAKER_03: with the person who needs to hear it, you know, or resonate with it?
2:19:55
SPEAKER_03: It's incredible.
2:19:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, I know that we've all already known this,
2:20:00
SPEAKER_01: but Apple is totally listening to all our conversations.
2:20:03
SPEAKER_01: And there's a thing in your settings you can go in and turn off listening.
2:20:08
SPEAKER_01: Live listening on your phone so they can't record all of your conversations.
2:20:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh, shit. Be they confidential or non-confidential. Yeah.
2:20:18
SPEAKER_01: I learned about that this week.
2:20:20
SPEAKER_00: Oh, no, that's 100% true.
2:20:22
SPEAKER_00: It is not a mistake when all of a sudden your Amazon ads match.
2:20:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. And all your posts change.
2:20:27
SPEAKER_00: I thought that was a coincidence.
2:20:32
SPEAKER_00: Why do you think I started laughing when he said the approach?
2:20:35
SPEAKER_00: When he said the approach thing, I'm like,
2:20:37
SPEAKER_00: this is too weird because it's already been like this all week.
2:20:40
SPEAKER_00: So now this is just perfect.
2:20:41
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, that's not this situation, but it's like,
2:20:43
SPEAKER_00: it's that real that you just get a whole different sort of watch.
2:20:47
SPEAKER_00: You'll go, well, you know, you're doing this already.
2:20:49
SPEAKER_00: But I just, I want to add on to what he's saying, right?
2:20:52
SPEAKER_00: The chances are so small that we need to be here.
2:20:54
SPEAKER_00: So if you're not milking every single drop out of this thing every single moment,
2:21:01
SPEAKER_00: Bro, I mean, you already won.
2:21:04
SPEAKER_00: You got to go pick up the chips.
2:21:07
SPEAKER_00: And so do milk every single moment out of it.
2:21:09
SPEAKER_00: And so if getting high, the initial part of this conversation was cannabis isn't bad, right?
2:21:16
SPEAKER_00: It's going to really come down to the user.
2:21:18
SPEAKER_00: And one of the things he said is it's a truth teller.
2:21:22
SPEAKER_00: So if you're using it and you're not on alignment, we're going to have some problems.
2:21:28
SPEAKER_00: So you're telling me you want to make these videos, but instead you're smoking cannabis.
2:21:32
SPEAKER_00: That kind of sounds like exactly what we said.
2:21:34
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying, Ray? Yeah, Cisco.
2:21:36
SPEAKER_00: What do you think, Cisco?
2:21:38
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to tell you to smoke cannabis.
2:21:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm saying that, of course, you don't want to shoot the videos. You're getting high.
2:21:43
SPEAKER_00: It's the walking stick.
2:21:45
SPEAKER_00: I would rather be high than do work, too.
2:21:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're going to look at it that way, but you know what I'm
2:21:50
SPEAKER_01: saying?
2:21:51
SPEAKER_00: Tell yourself I won't get high until I post a video,
2:21:54
SPEAKER_00: and then I'm going to post another one after I get high.
2:21:56
SPEAKER_00: But you play games with yourself to get it going, bro.
2:22:01
SPEAKER_00: Do a sober one and do a high one and then see which one gets better ratings.
2:22:04
SPEAKER_00: Like, play games, bro, but do things to get yourself moving forward.
2:22:09
SPEAKER_00: Because if the weed is making, if we're stopped on weed, well, then stop the weed, right?
2:22:15
SPEAKER_03: Cisco, let me ask you something.
2:22:17
SPEAKER_03: So when you post something and then you erase it, what's going on in your head?
2:22:21
SPEAKER_03: Like, if you already posted, that means you found it worthy to post it.
2:22:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I basically made a video about not knowing what to talk about.
2:22:30
SPEAKER_02: I love that video.
2:22:32
SPEAKER_01: That's a good video because everybody's going to resonate with that one.
2:22:37
SPEAKER_01: Dude, I posted that video like six months ago and everybody loved it.
2:22:44
SPEAKER_00: Because everybody resonates with that.
2:22:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
2:22:50
SPEAKER_00: Exactly, man.
2:22:51
SPEAKER_03: That's what we mean, bro.
2:22:53
SPEAKER_00: You're famous by being you.
2:22:56
SPEAKER_00: Don't try to figure out who else to be.
2:22:58
SPEAKER_00: It's going to work when you're being more you.
2:23:00
SPEAKER_00: And if you're nervous about saying stuff, let's say you're nervous about saying stuff.
2:23:03
SPEAKER_00: And the other people who are nervous about saying stuff will be like, oh, it's my guy.
2:23:06
SPEAKER_00: He feels me.
2:23:09
SPEAKER_00: And there's more of those than the people who aren't nervous about saying stuff.
2:23:13
SPEAKER_03: What do you think, Cisco?
2:23:14
SPEAKER_03: I feel like you don't internalize that.
2:23:15
SPEAKER_03: I've told you this many times.
2:23:17
SPEAKER_03: I feel like, you know, but what's going on?
2:23:19
SPEAKER_03: It's a nervous system thing or what?
2:23:22
SPEAKER_02: Maybe imposter syndrome or... That's fair.
2:23:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, brother.
2:23:29
SPEAKER_02: Because, I mean, like, I have posted before on the TikTok side.
2:23:35
SPEAKER_02: Like, I did go viral, but I did graphic design and wallpaper stuff.
2:23:40
SPEAKER_02: Stuff of like rappers and stuff and a lot of them went viral.
2:23:44
SPEAKER_02: But I was like, I did stuff in Photoshop.
2:23:46
SPEAKER_02: I wasn't talking on camera and I've always wanted to do the talking portion.
2:23:50
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it was just the substance of what to talk about,
2:23:54
SPEAKER_02: feeling confident enough that what I have to say is valuable to others.
2:23:58
SPEAKER_02: So it's definitely like a self-image.
2:24:02
SPEAKER_01: Bro, you're a fucking great looking guy.
2:24:05
SPEAKER_03: That's what I said. The girls are going to die over here, bro.
2:24:08
SPEAKER_01: You're a great looking dude, bro.
2:24:11
SPEAKER_03: He has the look, bro.
2:24:12
SPEAKER_03: He's a street poet, vibe ninja, the fucking guy.
2:24:15
SPEAKER_01: 100.
2:24:16
SPEAKER_03: You could be like a fucking crazy star, influence, impact. Seriously.
2:24:20
SPEAKER_01: Bro, I mean, you know, the fact that you really want to do it, those are your words, by the way.
2:24:28
SPEAKER_01: Those are your words.
2:24:29
SPEAKER_01: You said, I've always really wanted to do the talking on camera.
2:24:34
SPEAKER_03: Damn, he's so good.
2:24:35
SPEAKER_03: He caught you, bro.
2:24:36
SPEAKER_03: How many people do you think?
2:24:38
SPEAKER_01: That's your words.
2:24:39
SPEAKER_01: That's what you just said.
2:24:41
SPEAKER_01: And you have this fear.
2:24:43
SPEAKER_01: To me, bro, that desire plus that fear, that's Dharmic work right there, buddy.
2:24:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there you go.
2:24:52
SPEAKER_01: That's your fucking purpose calling, dude.
2:24:54
SPEAKER_01: You just have to take the leap through the faith, man, and trust.
2:24:58
SPEAKER_01: God damn!
2:25:00
SPEAKER_01: Through the fear.
2:25:02
SPEAKER_00: You know?
2:25:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:25:05
SPEAKER_00: I think you're already through it, bro, because I got to tell you something.
2:25:07
SPEAKER_00: You're already talking on camera.
2:25:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
2:25:11
SPEAKER_01: So what's going on? You know what I mean?
2:25:13
SPEAKER_01: You're already doing it.
2:25:14
SPEAKER_02: I've been doing this weekly, like, one to two years at this point.
2:25:19
SPEAKER_02: So you're already talking on camera.
2:25:20
SPEAKER_03: I wish someone could chop this up for us, and that would be my confidence.
2:25:23
SPEAKER_03: Hey, guys, I feel like I'm a crutch.
2:25:25
SPEAKER_03: I feel like I should ban him from Vibe Samurai so that he has no other.
2:25:30
SPEAKER_03: He has my necessity.
2:25:31
SPEAKER_01: That's some hard love, bro.
2:25:34
SPEAKER_03: What do you think, bro?
2:25:36
SPEAKER_03: What do you think, bro?
2:25:38
SPEAKER_03: Kick him out of our session.
2:25:39
SPEAKER_01: That's some hard love right there.
2:25:41
SPEAKER_02: That's what he was talking about earlier, I guess, you know, back against the wall.
2:25:46
SPEAKER_02: You're like, you have to meet my follower count for you to get back.
2:25:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh, shit. 800K?
2:25:52
SPEAKER_02: All right.
2:25:53
SPEAKER_03: Better get it working.
2:25:54
SPEAKER_03: Let's lock in.
2:25:55
SPEAKER_03: But Cisco, I think the thing that I want you
2:25:58
SPEAKER_03: to take away is like you keep saying like I have nothing to say.
2:26:03
SPEAKER_03: It's just not true.
2:26:04
SPEAKER_03: Like we love like even when you talk, we're like listening.
2:26:08
SPEAKER_02: With that language and saying that it's it's a really bad habit.
2:26:14
SPEAKER_01: What? Because I've been there, buddy.
2:26:16
SPEAKER_01: That's, you know, at the beginning of this you talked about I took some time away
2:26:21
SPEAKER_01: because I hit a total rut, bro.
2:26:24
SPEAKER_01: I was like, fuck, who cares about my podcast?
2:26:28
SPEAKER_01: There's a thousand assholes who are starting podcasts every day talking about all
2:26:32
SPEAKER_01: the stuff I talk about.
2:26:35
SPEAKER_01: Who cares, man?
2:26:36
SPEAKER_01: Who cares?
2:26:39
SPEAKER_01: And I got a little bit sucked
2:26:42
SPEAKER_01: into that idea and I lost my passion for it.
2:26:47
SPEAKER_01: But what I realized was I was just totally burned out and I had gotten totally
2:26:55
SPEAKER_01: Subdued by some behaviors, some habits that I had just gotten sucked into,
2:27:01
SPEAKER_01: cannabis and kratom for me.
2:27:03
SPEAKER_01: It was really, you know, again, it's not about the plants.
2:27:06
SPEAKER_01: It's about how I was fucking using them and what they became for me. And so...
2:27:12
SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden, like my entire consciousness was just focused on like,
2:27:16
SPEAKER_01: when am I going to smoke weed?
2:27:17
SPEAKER_01: When am I going to get a shot of Kratom?
2:27:19
SPEAKER_01: So like, I didn't, I wasn't allowing myself to go
2:27:23
SPEAKER_01: on these tangents in my mind
2:27:27
SPEAKER_01: to journey and travel and go like, oh yeah, I'm fucking super interested in this.
2:27:31
SPEAKER_01: I'm fucking super interested in this.
2:27:38
SPEAKER_01: Getting into the, getting back into what I'm excited about and what I'm passionate about.
2:27:43
SPEAKER_01: You know, then all of a sudden you don't care about that.
2:27:46
SPEAKER_01: There's a thousand people out there that are saying the same thing about you.
2:27:50
SPEAKER_01: I got to say this because it's coming out of me and it's happening right now.
2:27:53
SPEAKER_01: And I feel compelled to say it.
2:27:56
SPEAKER_01: And so I'm just going to say it.
2:27:58
SPEAKER_01: But while you're in these, you're walking around with fucking blinders on dude, you know?
2:28:04
SPEAKER_01: So again, I mean, I know because like people have jumped on.
2:28:09
SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh, it's an AA meeting.
2:28:10
SPEAKER_01: I'm getting out of here.
2:28:13
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not I'm not telling you
2:28:16
SPEAKER_01: to stop smoking weed like Larry said.
2:28:20
SPEAKER_01: That's not what I'm saying.
2:28:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm giving yourself an opportunity to refresh the fucking mainframe.
2:28:29
SPEAKER_01: You know?
2:28:30
SPEAKER_01: By resetting the dials a little bit so that you can find that stuff
2:28:34
SPEAKER_01: that you're really passionate about again, you know?
2:28:37
SPEAKER_03: God damn, that's the best fucking effort, bro.
2:28:40
SPEAKER_01: Like, dude, you know, I'm fucked. There's a lot of shit.
2:28:43
SPEAKER_01: I forgot how excited I was about it, you know, during my days of, like, you know,
2:28:49
SPEAKER_01: substance abuse, basically.
2:28:52
SPEAKER_01: Where, you know, like the other day, my brother asked me to come on this, his podcast.
2:29:00
SPEAKER_01: And talk about AI.
2:29:02
SPEAKER_01: And what we ended up getting into was this 3D
2:29:06
SPEAKER_01: to 5D evolution that humanity is going through.
2:29:10
SPEAKER_01: Conscious evolution.
2:29:11
SPEAKER_01: You guys heard about this familiar with it? Tell me more.
2:29:14
SPEAKER_03: 3D, 5D, tell me more.
2:29:19
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, 3D,
2:29:20
SPEAKER_01: this 3D to 5D transition that some people would say is happening right now.
2:29:28
SPEAKER_01: We're going from the Old Earth to the New Earth, okay?
2:29:33
SPEAKER_01: It's a New Age spirituality terminology for something that's been talked
2:29:39
SPEAKER_01: about throughout religions across spiritual texts for millennia,
2:29:45
SPEAKER_01: like since the beginning of time.
2:29:48
SPEAKER_01: In Christianity, they might even call it...
2:29:55
SPEAKER_01: What is the name of this?
2:29:56
SPEAKER_01: When Jesus comes down, the rapture.
2:29:58
SPEAKER_01: Jesus comes down, gathers all his followers.
2:30:01
SPEAKER_01: So 3D to 5D, we're going from the three-dimensional paradigm, materialism,
2:30:06
SPEAKER_01: individualism, into the 5D,
2:30:10
SPEAKER_01: which is oneness and God-spirit centric.
2:30:17
SPEAKER_01: And the earth, If you know about this thing called the Schumann Resonance,
2:30:21
SPEAKER_01: which is essentially a measurement they've taken on the vibration
2:30:25
SPEAKER_01: at which the frequency that the earth is vibrating at, the Schumann Resonance,
2:30:32
SPEAKER_01: that's gone up over the last like 20 years, it's ticked way up.
2:30:38
SPEAKER_01: And what a lot of people are saying is that this shift in vibration of the planet,
2:30:43
SPEAKER_01: the planet is evolving and moving into a new dimension.
2:30:47
SPEAKER_01: Five-dimensional reality, maybe even further than that.
2:30:51
SPEAKER_01: So as human beings, as organic beings that exist on this planet that's evolving,
2:30:58
SPEAKER_01: our consciousness also has to evolve.
2:31:00
SPEAKER_01: We have to evolve with it, or we get stuck with the old Earth
2:31:05
SPEAKER_01: in the old 3D paradigm, materialism and individualism, right? Right.
2:31:11
SPEAKER_01: Now, some people, you probably know a lot of people, who are like, bro,
2:31:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm 3D all the fucking way, baby.
2:31:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm not interested in the fucking 5D. Like, keep me in here, bro.
2:31:27
SPEAKER_03: I'm happy in 3D, bro.
2:31:29
SPEAKER_03: People are happy in 3D.
2:31:31
SPEAKER_01: Keep me right here, boy.
2:31:33
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, Big Pharma's got my back.
2:31:37
SPEAKER_01: The US government is my friend.
2:31:39
SPEAKER_03: But if you're Elon Musk, why wouldn't you stay in 3D?
2:31:42
SPEAKER_03: He's in 3D? No? He's in 3D?
2:31:45
SPEAKER_01: Well, see, that is the question that my brother and I got to with the conversation on AI.
2:31:51
SPEAKER_01: Because to me, 3D to 5D, it's not about the shit that you're doing.
2:31:57
SPEAKER_01: You can use AI and be in 5D consciousness.
2:32:02
SPEAKER_01: It's about your relationship to yourself and everything that you're doing.
2:32:06
SPEAKER_01: Going back to the comments of tension.
2:32:09
SPEAKER_01: It's all about tension and resistance, dude.
2:32:13
SPEAKER_01: You feel it.
2:32:14
SPEAKER_01: Your nervous system is a fucking instrument of God, spirit, the universe, dude.
2:32:22
SPEAKER_01: Like you are tapped in to everything.
2:32:26
SPEAKER_01: So when you're feeling tension and resistance inside of yourself about a thought,
2:32:32
SPEAKER_01: a concept, a behavior, a situation, a group of people, whatever it is,
2:32:37
SPEAKER_01: that's information.
2:32:41
SPEAKER_01: So the question is, what questions do we ask ourselves to free ourselves from that tension?
2:32:46
SPEAKER_01: Maybe the tension is, like Cisco, very...
2:32:51
SPEAKER_01: Again, wisely suggested letting your boundaries be your guide.
2:32:57
SPEAKER_01: Feeling that tension might be a boundary of like, that's not my group of people.
2:33:02
SPEAKER_01: That's not where I belong.
2:33:05
SPEAKER_01: Or the tension is, this is linked to a belief that I hold or an old conditioning
2:33:12
SPEAKER_01: that I hold about who I am or what's right in the world and what makes sense.
2:33:18
SPEAKER_01: And I need to look at the belief that I'm holding that's causing this tension.
2:33:23
SPEAKER_01: And do I keep the belief or do I unravel it and reprogram it, rewire that belief?
2:33:30
SPEAKER_01: And so the 5D shift is really into a lot of what we're seeing,
2:33:38
SPEAKER_01: like togetherness,
2:33:39
SPEAKER_01: oneness, God and spirit oriented, truth centric.
2:33:43
SPEAKER_01: That's really the age of Aquarius, one of my great mentors in my life.
2:33:48
SPEAKER_01: He's an incredible dude.
2:33:49
SPEAKER_01: He's like, everybody thinks age of Aquarius, dude.
2:33:53
SPEAKER_01: It's all love and butterflies.
2:33:55
SPEAKER_01: Nah, brother.
2:33:56
SPEAKER_01: The Age of Aquarius is about fucking shit or get off the pot.
2:34:01
SPEAKER_01: Get true, get right, or get the fuck gone.
2:34:06
SPEAKER_01: That's what the Age of Aquarius is about.
2:34:07
SPEAKER_03: Goddamn, that's why you said it's a magical time.
2:34:10
SPEAKER_03: At the same time, there's going to be a lot of chaos.
2:34:13
SPEAKER_03: It's not going to be comfortable, you said, Evan.
2:34:15
SPEAKER_03: It's not comfortable, man.
2:34:17
SPEAKER_01: Because you got to let go of all the bullshit, man.
2:34:20
SPEAKER_01: You gotta let go of all the bullshit that you're holding onto that's creating
2:34:24
SPEAKER_01: that static, that tension, that resistance in yourself.
2:34:28
SPEAKER_01: You gotta fucking figure it out, you know?
2:34:31
SPEAKER_01: One way or another, you're going to figure it out.
2:34:34
SPEAKER_01: Again, the flower only blooms, you know?
2:34:38
SPEAKER_01: We don't, it blooms or it dies, and it eventually does both,
2:34:44
SPEAKER_01: but it just keeps expanding until it's gone.
2:34:48
SPEAKER_01: We're doing the same thing.
2:34:50
SPEAKER_01: You think you're getting stuck,
2:34:52
SPEAKER_01: but you're really just trying to circumnavigate a game that can't be played
2:34:58
SPEAKER_01: that way.
2:35:02
SPEAKER_01: You think that you're going to hold on to a way of being.
2:35:04
SPEAKER_01: Well, you're going to hold on, but the game is still going.
2:35:10
SPEAKER_01: The thing is still going.
2:35:12
SPEAKER_01: Unraveling, blossoming, expanding, whether you like it or not.
2:35:17
SPEAKER_01: So you holding on, you're just going to become dead weight, you know?
2:35:20
SPEAKER_01: You get crusty, you get old, you get stagnant, and you die. Yeah, you know what?
2:35:27
SPEAKER_00: Simply put, you're good looking and you want to post.
2:35:30
SPEAKER_00: So you can keep waiting.
2:35:31
SPEAKER_00: You're only going to get older and uglier. Exactly.
2:35:34
SPEAKER_00: And everybody's going to be further along.
2:35:35
SPEAKER_00: You're only going to get older and uglier.
2:35:37
SPEAKER_00: And now you're going to be trying to come out with videos.
2:35:39
SPEAKER_00: You're going to be like, you should have put that shit out when you're in your 20s.
2:35:42
SPEAKER_00: Nobody wants to hear that shit now. Look at me. I'm 53.
2:35:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm online with you fuckers now.
2:35:46
SPEAKER_00: That's how long I've waited.
2:35:50
SPEAKER_00: And if it hadn't been for you two, I wouldn't have posted at all last month. Right?
2:35:54
SPEAKER_00: You guys say it.
2:35:55
SPEAKER_00: You don't know how much content I put out.
2:35:57
SPEAKER_00: I put up so much shit.
2:35:59
SPEAKER_00: But it's because you said it.
2:36:00
SPEAKER_00: You're like, yeah, you're not online.
2:36:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, I guess I should.
2:36:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they kind of called me out on it.
2:36:04
SPEAKER_00: Shit.
2:36:05
SPEAKER_00: So now, bro, come out.
2:36:07
SPEAKER_00: You got to post.
2:36:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:36:09
SPEAKER_03: You got to post. You got it, bro.
2:36:11
SPEAKER_03: You got to, you know, no pressure. You're going to get there.
2:36:15
SPEAKER_03: I'm confident.
2:36:16
SPEAKER_03: I'm confident.
2:36:18
SPEAKER_01: A little pressure is good, man.
2:36:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly. That's what I think.
2:36:22
SPEAKER_03: A little pressure, a little stress, a little push.
2:36:24
SPEAKER_03: You know, that's why I like to, you know.
2:36:26
SPEAKER_01: It creates growth, man, you know.
2:36:29
SPEAKER_00: WeHateLarry.com.
2:36:32
SPEAKER_00: WeHateLarry.com.
2:36:34
SPEAKER_00: Is that real?
2:36:35
SPEAKER_00: That's what I named it.
2:36:37
SPEAKER_00: But it's funny, but we're talking about it in this way, because that's what I realized.
2:36:41
SPEAKER_00: Somebody's got to be the dick.
2:36:43
SPEAKER_00: Somebody's got to apply the pressure, right?
2:36:46
SPEAKER_00: But because I'm going to do it in a certain environment, I'm not worried.
2:36:50
SPEAKER_00: I'm never going to tell you to do any bad shit, but I'm going to apply pressure.
2:36:53
SPEAKER_00: Tell me which way you want to go.
2:36:54
SPEAKER_00: That's good coaching.
2:36:57
SPEAKER_00: And football is not about your feelings.
2:36:59
SPEAKER_00: It's not about your feelings.
2:37:00
SPEAKER_03: There's what needs to be done.
2:37:02
SPEAKER_03: Let's just do it.
2:37:05
SPEAKER_00: Anybody who's got a problem with that, sit down.
2:37:07
SPEAKER_00: We're calling the next guy because we got a thing we have to do and that's how you win.
2:37:11
SPEAKER_00: So I'll apply pressure.
2:37:13
SPEAKER_00: I don't give a shit.
2:37:14
SPEAKER_00: Pressure.
2:37:15
SPEAKER_03: But you know what? It's so interesting you say that because you two, Larry and Evan,
2:37:19
SPEAKER_03: you guys have more coaching experience.
2:37:21
SPEAKER_03: But because of this Vibe Samurai thing,
2:37:23
SPEAKER_03: I'm doing a lot of coaching calls and I'm learning so much.
2:37:26
SPEAKER_03: But it's exactly that.
2:37:27
SPEAKER_03: It's like...
2:37:28
SPEAKER_03: It's weird to say that you're applying pressure,
2:37:31
SPEAKER_03: but like a lot of times people come with their patterns and their issues.
2:37:35
SPEAKER_03: And I see it right away. I see it right away.
2:37:37
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, you know, I can't walk.
2:37:42
SPEAKER_00: I refuse to allow it because listen, because what I'm going to offer,
2:37:46
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be 100% authentic.
2:37:48
SPEAKER_00: So all I can do is give you all of me 100%.
2:37:52
SPEAKER_00: So if I think it's bullshit, I'm going to say bullshit.
2:37:55
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to change it.
2:37:56
SPEAKER_00: We're still good, but I'm just going to promise to be me.
2:37:59
SPEAKER_00: That's all I can offer.
2:38:00
SPEAKER_00: And so I try to hang out with people that are equally authentic.
2:38:04
SPEAKER_00: Now we might ruffle each other's feathers, but we all know we're heading the same direction.
2:38:07
SPEAKER_00: And again, that's the thing that men have with teams.
2:38:10
SPEAKER_00: I'm willing to ruffle feathers as long as we're heading the same direction.
2:38:13
SPEAKER_00: We'll fight about it. We're still going out here and we're going to kick their ass.
2:38:16
SPEAKER_00: We'll fight again in the locker room after, but we're going to stay on the same goal.
2:38:20
SPEAKER_00: So I absolutely apply pressure.
2:38:23
SPEAKER_00: And that's what I want to bring up about finding a way to repurpose athletes when they're done.
2:38:29
SPEAKER_00: We need those people. We need people who are applying pressure in the right ways.
2:38:32
SPEAKER_00: And I say this to kids often.
2:38:34
SPEAKER_00: You don't got to worry about me applying pressure.
2:38:36
SPEAKER_00: I'm never going to ask you to put drugs in your backpack.
2:38:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm never going to ask you to go deep, right?
2:38:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm not applying that kind of pressure.
2:38:43
SPEAKER_00: So the things I'm going to say 100%, I'll be the asshole.
2:38:46
SPEAKER_00: And when you see me, I'm going to ask you, yeah, what's up?
2:38:49
SPEAKER_00: What's up with that thing?
2:38:51
SPEAKER_00: But that's one of the benefits of trying to hang around with genuine people, though.
2:38:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, exactly right.
2:39:02
SPEAKER_03: I want to be cognizant of your time.
2:39:07
SPEAKER_03: I wanted to cover quickly two things like Larry and Evan,
2:39:11
SPEAKER_03: like tell us about masculinity, toxic masculinity.
2:39:14
SPEAKER_03: I've seen some stuff from you, Evan, as well, right?
2:39:17
SPEAKER_03: Like there's like this whole Gender war, and then women are saying, no, there's no gender war.
2:39:22
SPEAKER_03: There is no war.
2:39:23
SPEAKER_03: The guys have been oppressing me, and then you got toxic masculinity.
2:39:27
SPEAKER_03: It's like wild out there. Like, what do you think?
2:39:30
SPEAKER_03: Because the thing is, like, I've talked to so many people as well, right?
2:39:34
SPEAKER_03: And I'm going to ask you, what is masculinity?
2:39:39
SPEAKER_03: And I've seen some of your answers, Evan.
2:39:42
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, but doesn't that apply to women as well?
2:39:46
SPEAKER_03: Now, clearly there's like certain differences, like men are more adapted for battle,
2:39:52
SPEAKER_03: for example, versus women nurturing, right?
2:39:54
SPEAKER_03: And there's a lot of science behind that that backs that, right?
2:39:58
SPEAKER_03: But like, So many different things.
2:40:00
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, the qualities of what you would define masculine.
2:40:03
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, why wouldn't a woman?
2:40:05
SPEAKER_03: Why wouldn't that be a feminine trait, right?
2:40:08
SPEAKER_03: So let's talk a little bit about masculinity because there's a lot of like crazy ideas.
2:40:13
SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of confusion.
2:40:15
SPEAKER_03: Let's talk a little bit about that.
2:40:16
SPEAKER_03: What is masculinity to you, Evan?
2:40:24
SPEAKER_01: I get asked this question all the time, man.
2:40:26
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like,
2:40:29
SPEAKER_01: Masculinity is one of those things I could define it in so many words.
2:40:34
SPEAKER_01: It's being the mountain.
2:40:36
SPEAKER_01: It's being a safe place for people to build their house on.
2:40:41
SPEAKER_01: It's being a place that supports life,
2:40:44
SPEAKER_01: that creates the structure for everyone to be able to live prosperously
2:40:51
SPEAKER_01: through and by.
2:40:52
SPEAKER_01: But...
2:40:58
SPEAKER_01: And every time I say something, there's somebody in the fucking comments who goes,
2:41:03
SPEAKER_01: that's not masculinity.
2:41:05
SPEAKER_01: But that's not what I'm saying.
2:41:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're totally right. You're right. Sure it is.
2:41:10
SPEAKER_01: So to me, masculinity is a fucking feeling.
2:41:15
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
2:41:17
SPEAKER_01: When I walk into the room, you said it when I came on the call, dude.
2:41:21
SPEAKER_01: And I would ask you, like, what? What is it?
2:41:25
SPEAKER_01: I walk into the room and people go, that's a fucking man right there.
2:41:30
SPEAKER_01: Not to toot my own horn, you know, but that's feedback that I get frequently.
2:41:37
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, you know, I'm just...
2:41:42
SPEAKER_01: What it boils down to to me is...
2:41:46
SPEAKER_01: Somewhere that people feel secure,
2:41:50
SPEAKER_01: safe, comfortable to be themselves,
2:41:55
SPEAKER_01: and know that they can fucking rely on you.
2:42:00
SPEAKER_01: That's really what it comes down to.
2:42:02
SPEAKER_01: Toxic masculinity is a propagandized term that's been used
2:42:07
SPEAKER_01: and weaponized against men.
2:42:10
SPEAKER_01: But what they're calling, it's not masculinity.
2:42:14
SPEAKER_01: The traits that they're describing as toxic masculinity is not masculine.
2:42:19
SPEAKER_01: It's nothing about what being a man is about.
2:42:22
SPEAKER_01: That's just being an asshole.
2:42:24
SPEAKER_01: Women can be assholes too.
2:42:27
SPEAKER_01: You know, if we want to go there, it's like there's toxic femininity.
2:42:30
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
2:42:32
SPEAKER_01: So those aren't traits.
2:42:33
SPEAKER_01: That's not masculinity.
2:42:35
SPEAKER_01: That's just being a fucking dickhead who's disrespectful, dishonorable, disingenuous.
2:42:41
SPEAKER_01: That's not what being a man is.
2:42:44
SPEAKER_01: That has nothing to do with masculinity.
2:42:48
SPEAKER_01: So masculinity to me is really an action.
2:42:51
SPEAKER_01: It's a fucking energy that comes
2:42:54
SPEAKER_01: in before Before you even open your mouth
2:42:59
SPEAKER_01: or say anything, it's a feeling that people get when you come into a room.
2:43:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we can say
2:43:06
SPEAKER_01: it's, from a yogic perspective, You know, the womb,
2:43:12
SPEAKER_01: the woman is the wild creative force of the universe.
2:43:17
SPEAKER_01: It's the fucking ocean crashing against the masculine mountains,
2:43:22
SPEAKER_01: the cliffside that holds it in place.
2:43:25
SPEAKER_01: It creates a place for it to fucking crash and dance and do its whole thing, you know?
2:43:33
SPEAKER_01: Without the masculine, there's no feminine.
2:43:36
SPEAKER_01: And without the feminine, there's no masculine.
2:43:38
SPEAKER_01: They both come together to make the whole.
2:43:41
SPEAKER_01: And so it's like, you know, it's a weird time, man.
2:43:46
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, there's a lot of things that...
2:43:51
SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of things...
2:43:53
SPEAKER_03: I guess that's why it's so hard, right?
2:43:55
SPEAKER_03: Because you can't, like, define it.
2:43:56
SPEAKER_03: If you're saying it's like a feel... Look what you said.
2:43:59
SPEAKER_03: You said it's a feeling.
2:44:01
SPEAKER_03: It's an energy.
2:44:02
SPEAKER_03: You can't describe it with words, bro.
2:44:04
SPEAKER_03: And I think that's what people are debating.
2:44:07
SPEAKER_03: They're like, oh, what's masculine? What's feminine?
2:44:08
SPEAKER_03: Oh, no, feminine.
2:44:10
SPEAKER_03: Because even when you use words, not the feeling, the energy,
2:44:13
SPEAKER_03: what you said was this feeling of security and safety and comfort.
2:44:18
SPEAKER_03: I was like that with my mom, bro.
2:44:20
SPEAKER_03: She passed away, but I was like that with my mom.
2:44:23
SPEAKER_03: But when you say energy and feeling,
2:44:25
SPEAKER_03: but the feeling that I had with my mom that safety and security is different
2:44:30
SPEAKER_03: Than when I hang out with you, Evan, and with Larry.
2:44:34
SPEAKER_03: You know, like you guys, for whatever reason, like Larry and Evan, I don't know,
2:44:39
SPEAKER_03: with you, Cisco, let's talk about energy and feeling.
2:44:41
SPEAKER_03: I'm just like, wow, I feel safe, bro.
2:44:46
SPEAKER_03: I feel like nobody's gonna fuck with me.
2:44:48
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's like gentle, giant energy, like...
2:44:53
SPEAKER_03: Because their physiques too, they're strong and they have the baritone.
2:44:57
SPEAKER_03: But that's what I'm saying.
2:44:58
SPEAKER_03: There's like a physical safety.
2:44:59
SPEAKER_03: Like my mom, she provided psychological safety.
2:45:03
SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't rely on her to provide me physical safety if shit got wrong.
2:45:08
SPEAKER_03: But when I'm with Larry and Evan, for whatever reason,
2:45:14
SPEAKER_03: because they're big and they project a certain concept.
2:45:16
SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about it too.
2:45:18
SPEAKER_00: We got chromosomes, right?
2:45:20
SPEAKER_00: We all got female and male chromosomes.
2:45:22
SPEAKER_00: That's a scientific thing, right?
2:45:25
SPEAKER_00: And so I enjoy being around women and it generally brings out a different side of me, right?
2:45:31
SPEAKER_00: It taps into that sort of chromosomal thing.
2:45:33
SPEAKER_00: When you get around other men, it taps into that side.
2:45:36
SPEAKER_00: And that's why when you see a football team,
2:45:37
SPEAKER_00: they look like a football team because by the time we get done yelling
2:45:40
SPEAKER_00: in the tunnel, it's off because we've tapped into that hormonal thing, right?
2:45:45
SPEAKER_00: So that makes sense.
2:45:46
SPEAKER_00: But the question about masculinity, and he nailed it, it's that term toxic masculinity, right?
2:45:51
SPEAKER_00: We didn't talk about masculinity before.
2:45:53
SPEAKER_00: Last generation, we didn't even talk about it.
2:45:56
SPEAKER_00: There was men, there was women.
2:45:58
SPEAKER_00: So it was about that toxic masculinity.
2:46:01
SPEAKER_00: They started bringing it up because we wanted to bring that up.
2:46:03
SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to give everybody a paradigm shift,
2:46:05
SPEAKER_00: and I want everybody to just think about this for a second.
2:46:07
SPEAKER_00: Like if you ask somebody what it means to be a woman, for example,
2:46:11
SPEAKER_00: for the most part, You know what I'm saying?
2:46:13
SPEAKER_00: Like, once she's above 18 and she's female, she's a woman.
2:46:16
SPEAKER_00: You're to treat her like a woman. Don't curse in front of her. Open the door.
2:46:19
SPEAKER_00: Like, don't touch her, but it's a woman. What's wrong with you?
2:46:21
SPEAKER_00: Now, she can cuss at her kids. She can cuss like a sailor.
2:46:24
SPEAKER_00: She can not take care of her kids. She can drink like a fish.
2:46:26
SPEAKER_00: She's still a woman.
2:46:28
SPEAKER_00: You understand me? She can slap you.
2:46:30
SPEAKER_00: She can shoot the mayor.
2:46:32
SPEAKER_00: She's still a woman.
2:46:34
SPEAKER_00: But if I ask you what a man is, well, it depends on who you're asking and kind of what you mean.
2:46:38
SPEAKER_00: But what do you mean? What's a man?
2:46:41
SPEAKER_00: And it depends on who you're at.
2:46:42
SPEAKER_00: Well, he doesn't take care of his kids.
2:46:43
SPEAKER_00: He's not a man.
2:46:44
SPEAKER_00: If he drinks too much, he's not a man. If he doesn't own houses.
2:46:47
SPEAKER_00: So we got all these rules for what makes a man versus what makes a woman.
2:46:51
SPEAKER_00: And this isn't me attacking women.
2:46:52
SPEAKER_00: This is me showing the difference between this,
2:46:55
SPEAKER_00: how we're trying to propagandize again, this term masculinity, because Ray,
2:47:00
SPEAKER_00: we're now questioning what it is to be a man.
2:47:03
SPEAKER_00: Like that's a lot of man right there.
2:47:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm a lot of man.
2:47:08
SPEAKER_00: Now, when that man walks in the room, well, he's the man in the room, okay? Right?
2:47:12
SPEAKER_00: Donald Trump walks in the room, whether you like him or not, with that much money,
2:47:15
SPEAKER_00: he's now the man in the room.
2:47:17
SPEAKER_00: So what it means, so your manhood is in question at all freaking times,
2:47:21
SPEAKER_00: depending on which room you walk into. God damn. You know what I mean?
2:47:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm a big bad man, but if The Rock walks in the room, I'm bigger than him,
2:47:28
SPEAKER_00: but he's still The Rock.
2:47:29
SPEAKER_00: He's got more money than me, and he's better looking, and he's pretty big.
2:47:32
SPEAKER_00: I think he's got it. He's the man.
2:47:34
SPEAKER_00: And so for your manhood, To be on trial at all times.
2:47:42
SPEAKER_00: I just understand how, like, what?
2:47:45
SPEAKER_00: And so is it hard out here being a man?
2:47:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, bro, because your manhood is on trial.
2:47:48
SPEAKER_00: And now today, the kid's got switches. You know what I mean?
2:47:52
SPEAKER_00: Like, I can't even be like, hey, son, you know, I'm packing.
2:47:54
SPEAKER_00: They got things they got to audit.
2:47:56
SPEAKER_00: Your manhood is on trial at all times.
2:47:58
SPEAKER_00: You go, well, that's not manhood.
2:48:00
SPEAKER_00: Well, it depends on who's judging, right?
2:48:02
SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of the point.
2:48:04
SPEAKER_00: What's a good man? Well, you ask a group of men,
2:48:06
SPEAKER_00: you're going to get a completely different answer than if you ask a group of women.
2:48:09
SPEAKER_00: You ask a group of women, a good man is nice and so forth and so on.
2:48:12
SPEAKER_00: With men, even men are going to go, well, it depends on the context.
2:48:16
SPEAKER_00: And that's how sad it is that for a woman, she's female and over 18.
2:48:22
SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to leave you with this and I got to go, but listen to this, listen to this.
2:48:25
SPEAKER_00: Okay?
2:48:26
SPEAKER_00: Because you got males and then you got boys and then you got men and then you got gentlemen.
2:48:33
SPEAKER_01: They're not all the same.
2:48:35
SPEAKER_00: So you got females, you got girls, and you got women, and then you got ladies.
2:48:40
SPEAKER_00: You understand? Not every woman's a lady, and not every man's a gentleman, right?
2:48:46
SPEAKER_00: But those other two, that lady and that man thing, right, those are actually subjective.
2:48:51
SPEAKER_00: And we're not even getting into science.
2:48:53
SPEAKER_00: We're not getting into that.
2:48:54
SPEAKER_00: I'm saying that.
2:48:56
SPEAKER_00: So what makes a man? I don't know. What makes a lady?
2:48:58
SPEAKER_00: Because you expect to be treated like a lady regardless of how you behave.
2:49:02
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm not allowed to. You're talking shit to me.
2:49:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm not supposed to.
2:49:05
SPEAKER_00: That's what I would do to him if he was talking shit.
2:49:07
SPEAKER_00: And I understand that.
2:49:08
SPEAKER_00: So I don't question men, right?
2:49:12
SPEAKER_00: If we're men, we talk like men.
2:49:14
SPEAKER_00: So what's masculinity?
2:49:18
SPEAKER_00: We don't discuss it. You know it, right?
2:49:21
SPEAKER_00: Men know when they're talking to men.
2:49:22
SPEAKER_00: There could be some men who come up and they don't even look like men.
2:49:27
SPEAKER_00: After enough conversation, men know we're talking to men.
2:49:29
SPEAKER_00: That's masculinity.
2:49:32
SPEAKER_00: Masculinity is being a male. I'm sorry.
2:49:35
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to offend anybody.
2:49:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't know any masculine females.
2:49:39
SPEAKER_00: I know some women that are acting like men act, but I don't... Do you see what I mean?
2:49:44
SPEAKER_00: It's an oxytoron.
2:49:47
SPEAKER_00: I can't be feminine.
2:49:49
SPEAKER_00: I can portray some feminine-like behavior.
2:49:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm able to act like...
2:49:55
SPEAKER_00: I can never be white.
2:49:58
SPEAKER_00: I can speak very, very well.
2:49:59
SPEAKER_00: I can pay my taxes.
2:50:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm joking.
2:50:03
SPEAKER_00: I can never be, right?
2:50:06
SPEAKER_00: So for me, masculinity is male-inity.
2:50:10
SPEAKER_03: Male-inity.
2:50:11
SPEAKER_03: Male-inity.
2:50:13
SPEAKER_00: And anybody who wants to get offended about it, I'm sorry.
2:50:15
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we can discuss it, but I mean, I guess convince me.
2:50:20
SPEAKER_01: I love that, Larry. Amazing.
2:50:22
SPEAKER_00: So listen, I'm going to go, bro.
2:50:24
SPEAKER_00: Athletes Approach.
2:50:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm coming.
2:50:28
SPEAKER_00: I'm chopping this up on the thing just so you got clips.
2:50:32
You guys, they got to meet each other.
2:50:35
SPEAKER_03: Meet each other and get some coffee.
2:50:37
SPEAKER_00: I'll be able to find it online.
2:50:39
SPEAKER_00: Or just hit up wehintlarry.com and then just leave me an email, bro.
2:50:42
SPEAKER_00: But I'll look up Athletes Approach. I'll find you, bro.
2:50:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm following this guy.
2:50:47
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Larry.
2:50:48
SPEAKER_00: I love you guys. Keep it coming.
2:50:49
SPEAKER_03: Love you, baby. Love you, brother.
2:50:51
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
2:50:56
SPEAKER_03: What a trip, boys.
2:50:59
SPEAKER_03: Bro, what a trip, bro.
2:51:01
SPEAKER_03: Bro, it's, like, so amazing.
2:51:04
SPEAKER_03: Man, goddamn, there's so much.
2:51:06
SPEAKER_02: The brother of us tonight, man.
2:51:07
SPEAKER_02: Because we helped a guy from Nigeria, and then we
2:51:11
SPEAKER_02: walked into this conversation.
2:51:12
SPEAKER_02: Epic night.
2:51:14
SPEAKER_03: I want to be, like, because you've been at this for longer, like, what is,
2:51:18
SPEAKER_03: what can we do to, like, organize?
2:51:20
SPEAKER_03: There's, like, something special going on here.
2:51:23
SPEAKER_03: Let's just
2:51:29
SPEAKER_01: get on a call. It's a great vibe, eh?
2:51:32
SPEAKER_01: So let's just get on a call and talk about it.
2:51:34
SPEAKER_01: Talk about what you've got, what I've got, and let's figure something out.
2:51:39
SPEAKER_01: Maybe we do an event or something, dude.
2:51:41
SPEAKER_01: Right. You know?
2:51:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:51:44
SPEAKER_01: Let's do it, bro.
2:51:46
SPEAKER_01: Let's do it, bro.
2:51:47
SPEAKER_03: Cisco, why don't you ask Ed the last question before we wrap up, bro?
2:51:51
SPEAKER_03: Because I'm very curious about his answer.
2:51:54
SPEAKER_02: All righty.
2:51:55
SPEAKER_02: So this is a question we like to ask every Vibesesh guest at the conclusion of the conversation.
2:52:02
SPEAKER_02: It is the eternal loop question.
2:52:06
SPEAKER_02: So let's make the assumption that you're going to enjoy this.
2:52:11
SPEAKER_02: You're never going to get sick of it.
2:52:13
SPEAKER_02: And we want you to pick either a moment or Or an experience,
2:52:17
SPEAKER_02: however long you choose, where this is something you are going to experience
2:52:22
SPEAKER_02: over and over and over on an internal loop for the rest of your life.
2:52:28
SPEAKER_02: What is that moment for experience?
2:52:31
SPEAKER_01: Wow, great question.
2:52:33
SPEAKER_01: I know exactly the moment.
2:52:36
SPEAKER_03: Damn, he didn't take long, bro.
2:52:37
SPEAKER_03: That was quick, man.
2:52:38
SPEAKER_03: Some guests take a long time, but this boy had an answer.
2:52:43
SPEAKER_01: It's the late afternoon
2:52:46
SPEAKER_01: and into the evening where I got married to my wife, Kat.
2:52:52
SPEAKER_01: And the time we spent with family, the meal, the ceremony, 100%.
2:52:59
SPEAKER_01: That's it.
2:53:02
SPEAKER_01: I told her, I woke up one morning and I was thinking about it.
2:53:05
SPEAKER_01: It was probably like, I don't know,
2:53:07
SPEAKER_01: a few weeks after we got married and I thought to myself, and I said this to her,
2:53:12
SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know, there's not many days in my life that I would relive,
2:53:17
SPEAKER_01: but I would relive that day.
2:53:20
SPEAKER_03: But Evan, why though? Why that moment?
2:53:22
SPEAKER_03: Because I feel like this question, everybody's answer is so different, bro.
2:53:28
SPEAKER_03: You should ask this question to everybody.
2:53:30
SPEAKER_03: But it really does show like...
2:53:32
SPEAKER_03: Kind of like the value, the deep, deep seeded value of somebody, right?
2:53:36
SPEAKER_03: Because like, it's amazing.
2:53:38
SPEAKER_03: Like I talked to a lot of parents and a lot of times it's not about their kids.
2:53:42
SPEAKER_03: Like it's about your quiz, but it's okay.
2:53:45
SPEAKER_01: Well, my daughter was there and you know, the,
2:53:49
SPEAKER_01: the experience and she was part of the ceremony.
2:53:54
SPEAKER_01: And her speech, and she was in tears, and I was up there with her.
2:54:00
SPEAKER_01: And just like, dude, I'm so family, man.
2:54:05
SPEAKER_01: If it wasn't that moment, it would be like a Christmas morning
2:54:08
SPEAKER_01: from before my parents got divorced.
2:54:12
SPEAKER_01: My soul is just like in heaven
2:54:16
SPEAKER_01: when I'm surrounded by family and we're just
2:54:20
SPEAKER_01: in celebration of something, you know?
2:54:22
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
2:54:24
SPEAKER_01: Like, there's nothing, like, I take every, take it all,
2:54:30
SPEAKER_01: those, that's like, like,
2:54:34
SPEAKER_01: no, you know, everybody's just good and they're there.
2:54:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like, man, I could die in that.
2:54:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you've gotten some interesting,
2:54:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you've gotten some interesting responses to that.
2:54:53
SPEAKER_03: Let me give you one interesting response from a special guest, right?
2:54:57
SPEAKER_03: He came from a very traumatic childhood and he was moved around from house to house.
2:55:03
SPEAKER_03: This is the one that I remember the most.
2:55:04
SPEAKER_03: I've asked this question a thousand times.
2:55:06
SPEAKER_03: He's been moved around house to house to house.
2:55:09
SPEAKER_03: And finally, he ends up in his grandfather's house and he's there, you know,
2:55:14
SPEAKER_03: like he's been moved around a lot and they're watching TV and the grandfather,
2:55:18
SPEAKER_03: you know, the kid, him, the special kid walks in.
2:55:23
SPEAKER_03: And the grandfather is about to change the channel of the TV, right?
2:55:27
SPEAKER_03: But then he like asked the guy, actually, what do you want to watch?
2:55:35
SPEAKER_03: And that's his fucking internal moment, bro.
2:55:38
SPEAKER_01: It's a deep one, brother.
2:55:41
SPEAKER_01: I feel that.
2:55:42
SPEAKER_01: I had a moment with my own grandfather like
2:55:46
SPEAKER_01: a year before he passed that was like that. That's...
2:55:50
SPEAKER_01: that could be at the top of that list
2:55:52
SPEAKER_01: as well like top three yeah what was
2:55:57
SPEAKER_03: that what was that with your grandfather bro
2:56:01
SPEAKER_01: well I mean
2:56:04
SPEAKER_01: that might be my grandfather's an incredible dude
2:56:10
SPEAKER_01: and uh complicated
2:56:15
SPEAKER_01: in a way like one of the best funniest people I've ever met in my life
2:56:24
SPEAKER_01: And also like a source, weirdly like a source of kind of childhood torment
2:56:29
SPEAKER_01: because he loved to tease me.
2:56:32
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
2:56:33
SPEAKER_01: And so we had this, there was this kind of one incidence that I actually worked
2:56:37
SPEAKER_01: through in therapy using EMDR.
2:56:41
SPEAKER_01: Goddamn, okay.
2:56:42
SPEAKER_01: You know about EMDR? Yeah, yeah.
2:56:45
SPEAKER_01: Really incredible, incredible modality.
2:56:49
SPEAKER_01: Totally transformed this experience for me.
2:56:51
SPEAKER_01: So I have this whole thing, right?
2:56:54
SPEAKER_01: And, uh, I come to terms and come get peace with this.
2:56:58
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like anything, you know,
2:57:01
SPEAKER_01: fucked up or it was like just kind of one of those like childhood moments
2:57:04
SPEAKER_01: that was like a big explosion.
2:57:09
SPEAKER_01: And, uh,
2:57:12
SPEAKER_01: Basically, he was kind of fucking with me.
2:57:17
SPEAKER_01: I'd gotten to the limit as a 12-year-old, and I screamed at him.
2:57:24
SPEAKER_01: I was like, get the fuck off me, you fucking maniac.
2:57:28
SPEAKER_01: You know, 12-year-old Ebb.
2:57:30
SPEAKER_01: But I just had enough, and I kind of said the thing that needed to be said.
2:57:36
SPEAKER_01: But it caused this, like, the house almost came down.
2:57:42
SPEAKER_01: You know, but somehow we all ended up getting to bed, you know, like,
2:57:46
SPEAKER_01: and the next day was my cousin's baptism
2:57:52
SPEAKER_01: and we were having this big family party
2:57:54
SPEAKER_01: at the house, you know, long story short, you know, we made it through the night,
2:58:01
SPEAKER_01: everybody was cool, things settled down, nothing was said or resolved, of course,
2:58:07
SPEAKER_01: you know, as a good dysfunctional family will do.
2:58:12
SPEAKER_01: And had a beautiful,
2:58:16
SPEAKER_01: it was just like a beautiful spring day in Connecticut
2:58:19
SPEAKER_01: for my cousin's baptism.
2:58:22
SPEAKER_01: Like pristine, perfect.
2:58:27
SPEAKER_01: My grandparents' house in Connecticut is like one of the,
2:58:31
SPEAKER_01: it's just like one of the diamonds of my life.
2:58:34
SPEAKER_01: Like the memories there and the, you know, summer's there.
2:58:42
SPEAKER_01: You know, fast forward 20 years and I have this moment in therapy.
2:58:47
SPEAKER_01: I go through this whole thing, resolve this issue, find forgiveness for myself,
2:58:51
SPEAKER_01: for my grandfather, the whole thing.
2:58:53
SPEAKER_01: Super fucking deep, dude.
2:58:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, like, shattering.
2:59:01
SPEAKER_01: You know, like, totally, like, release me.
2:59:06
SPEAKER_01: And, uh,
2:59:08
SPEAKER_01: Maybe a month later or so, I had this thought.
2:59:11
SPEAKER_01: I was like, I got to go visit.
2:59:14
SPEAKER_01: My dad was living in New York City at the time.
2:59:17
SPEAKER_01: My grandparents were still up in Connecticut.
2:59:19
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I got to go take a trip.
2:59:21
SPEAKER_01: I got to go see them.
2:59:23
SPEAKER_01: And so I booked the flight,
2:59:26
SPEAKER_01: went solo at the time I was married to my ex-wife.
2:59:30
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, our daughter was, I don't know.
2:59:33
SPEAKER_01: Eight, nine, I took a solo trip, went to see my dad, spent time with my dad.
2:59:38
SPEAKER_01: And then we drove up to Connecticut from Brooklyn to go and see my grandparents.
2:59:47
SPEAKER_01: And on the way, on the road, on the country road in,
2:59:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm starting to feel nervous about seeing everybody and the tension, whatever.
2:59:56
SPEAKER_01: And so I think my dad and I took a few hits off of Jay right before we went in.
3:00:04
SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah,
3:00:08
SPEAKER_01: my dad is the coolest, honestly.
3:00:10
SPEAKER_01: He's a fucking legend.
3:00:12
SPEAKER_01: Shout out to Jeff Britton.
3:00:14
SPEAKER_01: Jeff Britton paintings while I'm here.
3:00:17
SPEAKER_01: You can check out my dad's artwork at Jeff Britton on Instagram.
3:00:21
SPEAKER_03: Jeff Britton, let's go.
3:00:23
SPEAKER_01: So we get to my grandparents' house.
3:00:26
SPEAKER_01: I walk in.
3:00:29
SPEAKER_01: The cannabis is descending.
3:00:33
SPEAKER_01: This is probably like 2018, 2019.
3:00:40
SPEAKER_01: I walk up, give my grandmother a hug.
3:00:42
SPEAKER_01: She's about four feet tall, you know, super cute, like rock solid woman.
3:00:51
SPEAKER_01: And I see my granddad, he's sitting in his chair over in the living room where he's always at.
3:00:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, hey, pop up, how you doing?
3:00:58
SPEAKER_01: I like literally just like walk through the house out the back door and they live
3:01:03
SPEAKER_01: on a couple acres out in the woods in the country.
3:01:06
SPEAKER_01: I go to the edge of their property right on the edge of the forest
3:01:09
SPEAKER_01: and I just fucking burst into tears for like, felt like 15 minutes.
3:01:15
SPEAKER_01: Just this massive release of emotion and feeling and it felt like,
3:01:23
SPEAKER_01: like the mother,
3:01:25
SPEAKER_01: the mother Mother Nature was just like holding me in this moment.
3:01:30
SPEAKER_01: So I was totally alone out there.
3:01:33
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I finished,
3:01:39
SPEAKER_01: I got all the tears out and I walked back in the house
3:01:44
SPEAKER_01: and it was about dinner time.
3:01:45
SPEAKER_01: My grandmother always cooked the most, she's still alive.
3:01:49
SPEAKER_01: She cooks the most amazing food.
3:01:51
SPEAKER_01: And she's got dinner on the table.
3:01:56
SPEAKER_01: I sit down in the seat that I sat in since I was
3:02:00
SPEAKER_01: a kid at my grandparents' table
3:02:03
SPEAKER_01: in their dining room.
3:02:04
SPEAKER_01: We're eating dinner.
3:02:07
SPEAKER_01: And I look over, I see my grandfather looking at me and he goes, Eb.
3:02:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, Papa.
3:02:16
SPEAKER_01: He's like, remember that day that Ava got baptized?
3:02:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, I remember that day.
3:02:26
SPEAKER_01: And then he goes...
3:02:32
SPEAKER_01: He goes, wasn't that a beautiful day?
3:02:37
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like...
3:02:45
SPEAKER_01: You know?
3:02:46
SPEAKER_01: And it was like this... Dude, I didn't say a fucking thing to him about this.
3:02:51
SPEAKER_01: Goddamn.
3:02:54
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
3:02:55
SPEAKER_01: I didn't say a thing.
3:02:56
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
3:02:59
SPEAKER_01: He went right there.
3:03:02
SPEAKER_01: The day after this big thing, you know,
3:03:06
SPEAKER_01: and I was like, you know, it was like,
3:03:10
SPEAKER_01: it was like life complete, dude.
3:03:13
SPEAKER_03: Goddamn life complete, bro.
3:03:15
SPEAKER_01: You know, like my, my grandfather, he passed like maybe the next year.
3:03:21
SPEAKER_01: And you know when he passed it was like man I'm so grateful
3:03:25
SPEAKER_01: because like it was like everything that needed
3:03:29
SPEAKER_01: to be said was said you know it was like everything that needed to be tended
3:03:36
SPEAKER_01: to was like
3:03:37
SPEAKER_03: bro that is so blessed bro bro I went through nine months taking care
3:03:42
SPEAKER_03: of my mom who was going through cancer
3:03:44
SPEAKER_03: and that part right there is what I'm most grateful for like everything that needed
3:03:49
SPEAKER_03: to be said Yeah.
3:03:51
SPEAKER_03: That's sad, bro.
3:03:52
SPEAKER_03: That is the most blessed position you can be in with a loved one.
3:03:56
SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying? Like a lot of people don't have that. Goddamn.
3:03:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know, man. I know.
3:04:01
SPEAKER_01: It was like really like, you know, again,
3:04:05
SPEAKER_01: it's up there with like one of those internal loops that could play forever like
3:04:09
SPEAKER_01: that.
3:04:10
SPEAKER_03: Goddamn, here's so many.
3:04:12
SPEAKER_03: Bro, Aaron, thank you so much.
3:04:15
SPEAKER_03: You were amazing.
3:04:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you guys, man.
3:04:18
SPEAKER_01: It's really a treat.
3:04:20
SPEAKER_01: Let's fucking connect, man.
3:04:21
SPEAKER_03: Let's do some cool shit.
3:04:23
SPEAKER_03: Let's do some cool shit. Seriously, bro. Yeah.
3:04:26
SPEAKER_03: Like, bro, like the fucking sky's the limit.
3:04:29
SPEAKER_03: And you've been at this game for a longer time.
3:04:32
SPEAKER_03: Tell us what is possible here. You know what I'm saying?
3:04:36
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you guys are fucking crushing it, bro.
3:04:40
SPEAKER_03: Let's go. Let's figure things out.
3:04:42
SPEAKER_03: We got a huge community, I think, that we can build.
3:04:46
SPEAKER_03: Oh, dude, maybe we can get a little, because he's
3:04:48
SPEAKER_02: podcasting, like, bro, how are we?
3:04:51
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
3:04:52
SPEAKER_02: We don't get feedback too often, you know?
3:04:54
SPEAKER_01: We should do a pod.
3:04:56
SPEAKER_01: We should do a pod and record it and put it on the ebb and flow, dude.
3:05:01
SPEAKER_03: Damn, ebb and flow, damn.
3:05:03
SPEAKER_03: We're going to be on the ebb and flow, baby.
3:05:06
SPEAKER_03: It's dope, man.
3:05:10
SPEAKER_01: I love what you guys are doing, man.
3:05:12
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for having me on.
3:05:13
SPEAKER_01: Really appreciate y'all.
3:05:15
SPEAKER_01: Bro, it was amazing meeting you, bro.
3:05:17
SPEAKER_03: Let's keep in touch, and I'm sure we'll keep in touch, but it was amazing.
3:05:20
SPEAKER_03: Have a great night, guys.
3:05:22
SPEAKER_03: I'll see you guys next Wednesday.
3:05:23
SPEAKER_03: Evan, Cisco, peace.
3:05:25
SPEAKER_03: Later.