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Seahawks-Patriots Reaction: Darnold Silences Critics, Seattle Defense Wins Super Bowl LX | Sherman · The Richard Sherman Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hope you guys are having a great New Year's accomplishing
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Speaker 1: all your New Year's resolutions and staying healthy. Welcome back
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Speaker 1: to the Richard Sherman Podcast. And guess what, Mitchell, The
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Speaker 1: season is over and the Seattle Seahawks have won the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Who could have predicted it? Who could have
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Speaker 1: saw that coming? This guy, this guy got this got
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Speaker 1: thought of that chance. An incredible game, an incredible game
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Speaker 1: planning by Mike McDonald from start to finish. I got
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Speaker 1: so much to talk about, so many details. I sat
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Speaker 1: there after the game, got talked to some of the coaches,
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Speaker 1: some of the players, got some insight. No names associated
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Speaker 1: with these quotes and information, but wow did they take
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Speaker 1: their time dissecting these New England Patriots Mitchell from the
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Speaker 1: hand signals, to the to the to when he lifted
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Speaker 1: his foot, to offensive line stances and these are all
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Speaker 1: things that all teams study and all teams teams try
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Speaker 1: to understand. But the way in which the Seattle Seahawks
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Speaker 1: understood the New England Patriots was I mean, they understood
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Speaker 1: them like they they've known them their entire lives. I'm
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Speaker 1: guessing they understood what they had for breakfast that morning,
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Speaker 1: the probiotics they take. Mitchell, I'm talking about how much
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Speaker 1: apple juice they had that week. I'm talking about to
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Speaker 1: the screws. And that's why you cannot give Mike McDonald
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Speaker 1: this kind of time. He's obsessive, compulsive. He is obsessed,
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Speaker 1: and they when they talked about how he prepared and
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Speaker 1: the things he studying, like, I don't think fans truly
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Speaker 1: are understanding the time he's putting in to understand, to
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Speaker 1: put his guys in position, to understand the other coordinator
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Speaker 1: as if it's his brother, and understand what he's going
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Speaker 1: to do in these situations so he can put his
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Speaker 1: guys in the exact perfect position to be successful, not
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Speaker 1: putting pressure on his players to perform and understand and recognize.
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Speaker 1: Although you got really smart and talented players who can
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Speaker 1: do that, who are out there doing that and doing
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Speaker 1: their jobs at a high level, but Mike McDonald is
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Speaker 1: putting it on himself to call the perfect play. You
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Speaker 1: got to give Devin Witherspoon a ton of credit. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the story all week was can Nick m and Worry play?
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Speaker 1: How bad's the ankle? Is he going to be one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent? He's so important to this defense? It did
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Speaker 1: not matter. That's a Nick Emon Worry was fine. But
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Speaker 1: the way they attacked Will Campbell throughout this game, the
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Speaker 1: way they attacked the B gap in this game with
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Speaker 1: with Devin Witherspoon, with with games and and then you
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Speaker 1: got to take it a step further and look at
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Speaker 1: the history between Derek Carr and Will Campbell. Because I
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Speaker 1: had a conversation with him and he was like, I
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Speaker 1: knew this guy from college. I had no miss misgivings,
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Speaker 1: misunderstandings about who I was dealing with, and I had
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Speaker 1: a great plan and he did. He had great plan.
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Speaker 1: He ended up with two sacks in the game. Byron Murphy,
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Speaker 1: incredible story goes from first rounder and they're they're they're
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Speaker 1: talking about he's not getting the stats.
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Speaker 2: He's a bus. He's a bus.
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Speaker 1: This is this is a message to all the fans
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Speaker 1: out there don't be quick to judgment, especially with certain positions,
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Speaker 1: because sometimes it takes a second to get it. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: you need a little more veteran presence, a few more
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Speaker 1: reps figure out your move. Now, he's wanted to those
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Speaker 1: stout defensive lineman in the National Football League two sacks
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Speaker 1: in the in the Super Bowl and played that plays
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Speaker 1: an enormous part in this run, in this great run
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Speaker 1: stopping defense, allowing those two safeties to play deep. Uh,
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Speaker 1: and and them to stop still stop the run. Uh.
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Speaker 1: There were so many guys that played really well in
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Speaker 1: this game. You Chen and Nuosu got the interception off
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Speaker 1: the off the Witherspoon what looked like a force fumble,
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Speaker 1: but they called it an interception. Didn't matter either way
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Speaker 1: because he caught it and scored it. But they were
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Speaker 1: in control the entire game. And Julian Love said from
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Speaker 1: the opening drive, they knew how this game was gonna go. Mitchell,
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Speaker 1: So did I, So did I? In a great defense,
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Speaker 1: you know, Mitchell, you know soon as you punch bam like,
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Speaker 1: oh these guys, these guys are soft, they're not built
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Speaker 1: for this. And I think the Seattle Seahawks came in
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Speaker 1: with such an aggressive mentality. Defensively, they were a buzz saw.
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Speaker 1: And I said this a couple of weeks ago. When
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Speaker 1: a bus saw is gone, Mittroll, it doesn't matter what's
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Speaker 1: in the way. It's getting shredded, and it's getting shredded.
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Speaker 1: The bus saw is going. It does not matter what's
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Speaker 1: in the way. And the New England Patriots just happened
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Speaker 1: to be in a way. It was nothing personal with
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Speaker 1: them from the mob and and them have a rivalry
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Speaker 1: with the Patriots. I'm sure you know, getting your lick
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Speaker 1: back is great, and we wanted our revenge and those
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Speaker 1: guys got our revenge. But they didn't care if it
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Speaker 1: was the New England Patriots, the eighty five Bears, the
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Speaker 1: Dolphins that were undefeated, the New England Patriots and Tom
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Speaker 1: Brady's coming back in his prime.
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Speaker 2: Mentell. This defense did not care.
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Speaker 1: And Mike McDonald said it after the NFC Championship game.
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Speaker 1: We do not care. We do not care about what
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Speaker 1: y'all saying, what y'all doing. And that's the scariest part
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Speaker 1: about this team. They're not going anywhere. They're gonna be
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Speaker 1: great for a long time, and they're sitting there, they're
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Speaker 1: so locked in, they're like, man, I wish we had
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Speaker 1: another game. You just won a Super Bowl and you
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Speaker 1: talk about I wish I had another game.
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Speaker 3: Yes, psychotic, Richard. It's wild and just from my perspective,
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Speaker 3: this is one of the more dominant performances in a
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl. It kind of was similar to your guys
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Speaker 3: beating up the Denver Broncos years ago.
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Speaker 2: Richard.
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Speaker 3: This defense is high flying, they're prolific. They're obviously top
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Speaker 3: of their game. Any debate that there might have been
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Speaker 3: that this team wasn't the best team in the league,
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Speaker 3: they shut that down during the Super Bowl. This team
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Speaker 3: definitely is the best team in the league. I don't
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Speaker 3: think there's any questions about it. The New England Patriots,
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Speaker 3: to me, looked like they were shocked at how good
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Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks were, especially defensively on the offensive side
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Speaker 3: of the ball. My boy K nine, Richard, Well, I'd
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Speaker 3: like to humbly admit I called a couple of weeks
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Speaker 3: ago would win the MVP of this game. Sure enough, Richard.
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Speaker 3: He was a heavy dose of K nine early and
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Speaker 3: often was all the Seattle Seahawks offense really needed to
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Speaker 3: get going, and we saw it consistently throughout this game, Richard,
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Speaker 3: how impressed with you? I know you were very impressed
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Speaker 3: with the defensive effort out there, but what do you
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Speaker 3: think of the you know, the game plan from an
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Speaker 3: offensive standpoint in this game, Well, I thought.
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Speaker 2: It was incredible.
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Speaker 1: I knew they would need to lean on the run
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Speaker 1: game to have success against New England Patriots. I thought
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Speaker 1: that'd be a tough task. But the best players play
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Speaker 1: their best when their best is required, and K nine
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Speaker 1: played his best football the last probably five six weeks
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Speaker 1: of the season. After Zach Charbonne goes out with an injury.
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Speaker 1: He steps up in a big way, gets a high,
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Speaker 1: heavier workload and just locks in in This game was
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Speaker 1: his swan song, was his Krim dela Krim. He got
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Speaker 1: it done at a high level. You could see him
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Speaker 1: manipulating the defensive lineman, setting up his blocks in a
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Speaker 1: really cool way, accelerating around the edge, just having a
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Speaker 1: great feel for this scheme and what expected of him,
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Speaker 1: and the New England Patriots had no answer for him.
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Speaker 2: They had no answer.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they had missed that many tackles in
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Speaker 1: any game this season. I don't think they had given
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Speaker 1: up that many yards after contact in any game this season.
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Speaker 1: K nine played at a different level that they were
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Speaker 1: unprepared for and unprepared to respond to. And then I
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Speaker 1: know everybody's like, oh, Sam Darnold didn't do anything crazy.
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Speaker 1: You lose Jackson Smith and Jig but in this game
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Speaker 1: to what I believe was a concussion, And shout out
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Speaker 1: to the Seattle Seahawks training staff, Strick and those guys
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Speaker 1: for doing the things necessary to protect him, even in
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Speaker 1: the biggest games, because sometimes you run into situations, Mitchell,
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Speaker 1: where a player, your best player, player, especially offensive player
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Speaker 1: of the year type player, is maybe has concussion symptoms
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Speaker 1: and there might be a conversation where you look at
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Speaker 1: each other and you say, hey, you sure you sure you.
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Speaker 2: Want to walk away right now. But they didn't do that.
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Speaker 1: The tek him in the locker room, got him checked out,
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Speaker 1: did what was better for him in his future, and
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Speaker 1: the team still able to win. That's an organization doing
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Speaker 1: things right. And I appreciate that Sam Darnold did a
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Speaker 1: great job. I thought he did a phenomenal job trying
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Speaker 1: to push the ball down the field.
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Speaker 2: I loved the throat to Rashid Shahid.
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Speaker 1: I saw it happening live and I knew as soon
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Speaker 1: as they got the isolation on christianiam zalez I was like, hey,
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Speaker 1: ball needs to go up. It's a foot race with
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Speaker 1: the fastest guy on the field. But shout out to
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Speaker 1: Christian zalas one of the most unbelievable performances in the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl for a defensive back that I've ever seen.
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Speaker 1: He got three targets and three forced in completions on
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Speaker 1: three different players. One on was on JSN. Jays N
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Speaker 1: gave him a post move, doubled him up as a corner,
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Speaker 1: great corner. He showed so much patience and all he
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Speaker 1: showed a litany of strength when he was defending these guys.
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Speaker 1: That's what was beautiful about it. He played three different guys,
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Speaker 1: three different ways and had success against all of them.
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Speaker 1: He pressed Cooper Cup on what looked like a little
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Speaker 1: basic route PBu he played off versus j Andsn, who's
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Speaker 1: a phenomenal route runner offensive player of the Year. He
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Speaker 1: doubled him up. He didn't fall forward, stayed in his
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Speaker 1: hip pocket, drove the ball probably should have intercepted it.
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Speaker 1: Then you go to the ship heat play where he
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Speaker 1: made a split second decision that was that could have
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Speaker 1: been a difference in that game between them winning and
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Speaker 1: losing the Super Bowl. That played potentially being a touchdown
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Speaker 1: at full speed. He made a decision to go up
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Speaker 1: and at that point, you have no more jurisdiction over anything. Mitchell,
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Speaker 1: You're you're guessing this is this is all guess work,
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Speaker 1: because the trajectorated ball is already coming down. And what
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Speaker 1: you've decided is this is what I have to do
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Speaker 1: in this situation to make this play. And if he
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Speaker 1: misses it, it's over it because you can't recover balls
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Speaker 1: in his hand. He skates off, it's a touchdown. It
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Speaker 1: ended up being an incredible play for him, and I
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Speaker 1: always like to tip my head off to performances like that.
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Speaker 1: His team may have lost, but if they would have won,
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Speaker 1: he would have had a great case to be the
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Speaker 1: MVP for that team because of how he played and
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Speaker 1: the stops he made. I think he saved two potential
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Speaker 1: touchdowns in that game and allowed the New England Patriots
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Speaker 1: to stay in that game for a good majority of it.
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Speaker 1: I mean they held him to nine points at halftime.
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Speaker 1: That square could have easily ballooned early on in that game.
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Speaker 1: But let's go back to Sam darnal and and just
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Speaker 1: doing what's necessary.
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Speaker 2: They didn't.
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Speaker 1: He didn't get impatient, he didn't do anything where that
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Speaker 1: you expect. You know, I think everybody expects him to
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Speaker 1: turn back into a pumpkin. That's been the rhetoric. K
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Speaker 1: he's gonna see ghosts. Eventually, he's gonna turn back into
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Speaker 1: the old Sam Donald. No he's not, No, he's not.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you have that that light bulb movement. Sometimes you
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Speaker 1: have that epiphany where you figure things out. Sometimes it
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Speaker 1: happens immediately. Sometimes for some guys, it happens a little
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Speaker 1: later on. And it seemed like it happened for Sam
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Speaker 1: Donald when he got to Minnesota. And then he had
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Speaker 1: a little hiccup in the playoffs. You know, he got
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Speaker 1: some pressure, was sacked nine times by the Rams, didn't
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Speaker 1: play well to the point where the Minnesota Vikings started
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Speaker 1: to be a good idea to move off of him
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Speaker 1: after a fourteen win season and go with JJ McCarthy again,
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Speaker 1: a move that I think sets their franchise back ten years.
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Speaker 1: But Minnesota fans wanted to argue with me all season
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Speaker 1: long about how I was wrong and they were right.
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Speaker 1: But seems like the ownership group thinks I was right too.
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Speaker 1: Seems like Kevin O'Connell thinks I was right too. It
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Speaker 1: seems like a lot of people thought I was right
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Speaker 1: that actually no football, and not the fans that are
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Speaker 1: just trying to make themselves feel better about a quarterback
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Speaker 1: that just isn't the guy.
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Speaker 2: You know. Maybe they can get mac Jones, Maybe they
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Speaker 2: can get.
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Speaker 1: Somebody else to go into that spot to sustain them
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Speaker 1: until they can get another franchise quarterback. Maybe Mac Jones
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Speaker 1: is the answer. But that's the story for a different day.
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Speaker 1: I think Sam Donald has elevated himself. He's changed in
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Speaker 1: arrative about himself. It's a beautiful conversation. A first quarterback
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Speaker 1: in the twenty eighteen class to get a Super Bowl
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Speaker 1: in a class that has three MVP trophies to two
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Speaker 1: different guys already to their names. They haven't made it
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Speaker 1: past that the championship games, the AFC Championship, either one
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Speaker 1: of them, both of them have had chances. Lamar Jackson
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Speaker 1: had a chance with Mike McDonald as his defensive coordinator.
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Speaker 1: So I think Baltimore was a number one defense that year,
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Speaker 1: wrecking Shot. They had a great game against Brod Purdy
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Speaker 1: that season. I want to say he was in the
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Speaker 1: MVP race and I was, you know, jump standing on
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Speaker 1: the fence for him. He throws five interceptions I believe
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Speaker 1: against against the Mike McDonald coached Baltimore Ravens defense in
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Speaker 1: Levi Stadium in Santa Clayer. And then of course they
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Speaker 1: get to the playoffs and things don't work out that way.
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Speaker 1: They don't run the ball like the Seattle Seahawks doing
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Speaker 1: this Super Bowl and they find a way to lose.
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Speaker 1: You cannot take anything away from Sam Darnold and what
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Speaker 1: he's done this playoff run to help this team get here.
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Speaker 1: You've gone through Division rivals, arguably the second best team
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Speaker 1: in the National Football League in the Rams, and some
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Speaker 1: all season long we're calling them the best team in
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Speaker 1: the National Football League. So you can't make the argument
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Speaker 1: that he's gone through some easy schedule, some cake schedule.
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Speaker 1: He didn't have to perform. He had to throw for
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Speaker 1: three hundred yards against the Rams, a defense that he
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Speaker 1: struggled with both with the Minnesota Vikings in with the
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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. But when it mattered the most, he played
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Speaker 1: at a high enough level to get his team to
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and win that game. This team isn't
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Speaker 1: going anywhere, and I can't wait to see how they
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Speaker 1: continue to evolve. They're gonna get guys healthier, They're gonna
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Speaker 1: get more weapons on offense. I don't think they're gonna
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Speaker 1: let Canaan out of that building. Obviously, he's a free agent.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna do what they need to do to keep him.
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Speaker 1: The franchise tag for running back isn't restrictive, and I
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Speaker 1: think that's something that a weapon that they will use
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Speaker 1: if they can't figure out the negotiations.
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Speaker 3: Richard, This Sam Darnold story is a wild one who
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Speaker 3: was once viewed a bust right a top three pick
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Speaker 3: by the Jets, now looks like he warranted that top
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Speaker 3: three selection, And like you said, for him to be
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Speaker 3: the first quarterback out of that draft class to hoist
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Speaker 3: the Lombardi Trophy is unbelievable. The Seahawks are the first
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl champion to go their entire postseason without committing
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Speaker 3: a turnover for a quarterback. And Sam Darnold, who his
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Speaker 3: top three in the league in picks coming into this, Like,
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Speaker 3: how important was that to his maturation? To his development? Richard?
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Speaker 3: I mean, this guy, like you said last year, he's
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Speaker 3: playing one of the toughest divisions in the NFC North
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Speaker 3: this year is playing in arguably probably easily the hardest
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Speaker 3: division in the NFC West. And to do that and
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Speaker 3: have that experience with top tier competition, to go into
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Speaker 3: the playoffs and not commit one turnover, How wild is that?
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Speaker 3: In your eyes?
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Speaker 1: I don't I can't even describe how incredible that is.
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Speaker 1: That's that to be the first team in the history
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Speaker 1: of the National Football League to turn the ball over
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Speaker 1: at all during the entire playoffs. It's hard to really
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Speaker 1: to really express how difficult that is because there's so
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Speaker 1: many things that are out of your control. So many
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Speaker 1: times the quarterback's arm gets hit and the ball gets
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Speaker 1: tipped up in the air, and you know, who knows
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Speaker 1: what can happen, and you know things that just can happen.
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Speaker 1: That changed that stat immediately, even for really good teams.
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Speaker 1: And so for him to have twenty turnovers this season
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Speaker 1: and then to have zero in the playoffs, that's what
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Speaker 1: they needed. That's what they had to have to be
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champions. And that's what he delivered again, this
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Speaker 1: narrative about the elite quarterbacks and the top quarterbacks in
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Speaker 1: the top five and who's this. It's Patrick Mahomes and
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Speaker 1: everybody who's not Patrick Mahomes honestly, and I don't care
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Speaker 1: about arm talent. I don't care about about how athletic
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Speaker 1: these guys are. I care about winning in Super Bowls.
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Speaker 1: And the only guys who have super Bowls are are
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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, now Sam Darnold, Aaron Rodgers if
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Speaker 1: he keeps playing, you know what I mean. There's only
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Speaker 1: so many quarterbacks that are still playing today that have
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Speaker 1: Super Bowls under their belt in the last couple of years.
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Speaker 1: It's Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, and Sam Donald. It's not
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, who had every opportunity this year to be
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Speaker 1: in that conversation, every opportunity to take his team to
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Speaker 1: the big game. And not to say that it was
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Speaker 1: on him necessarily, but he didn't play his best game.
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Speaker 2: And when you're.
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Speaker 1: Held to that standard and to that level, you have
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Speaker 1: to play your best in those games to help your
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Speaker 1: team get to a championship to be considered one of
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Speaker 1: those guys. And we keep putting these guys in these
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Speaker 1: conversations they don't deserve to be in because their play
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Speaker 1: in their their resume doesn't have trophies on it. Their
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Speaker 1: shelf doesn't have trophies on it. So why are we
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Speaker 1: giving them this credit that they have trophies because they're
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Speaker 1: they're uberly talented, they have great regular seasons. Lamar has
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Speaker 1: had fun nominal regular season, could have easily had three MVPs.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't have a trophy. Josh Allen has had phenomenal.
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Speaker 1: Seasons, could have had an MVP of the Year before
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Speaker 1: he actually won it, I think, but he won one.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't have trophies, uh, Josh Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow one
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Speaker 1: of the most talented, ar talented and the National Football
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Speaker 1: League took the Bengals, you know, from obscurity to a
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl against the Rams, and and wasn't Aaron Donald
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Speaker 1: sack away from from potentially winning that game. But again,
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, doesn't have a trophy.
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Speaker 1: So when we have these conversations, at some point, the
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Speaker 1: trophy has to matter. Success has to matter. Being able
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Speaker 1: to play your best when your best is required has
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Speaker 1: to matter. And I think that's the conversations we're going
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Speaker 1: to start to have. I'm tired of hearing about how
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Speaker 1: talented Herbert and and and and Trevor Lawrence and and
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Speaker 1: all these and Josh Allen and and Lamar and how how.
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Speaker 2: Great they are because they are great. But maybe if we're.
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Speaker 1: Wing an analysis of the big picture, the bigger picture,
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Speaker 1: we need to take the full scope to rank these guys.
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Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day, if we're not
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Speaker 1: taking the full scope, then what are we ranking? Because
19:14
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has played his best when his best route
19:16
Speaker 1: is required, has it happened every single time? No, but
19:19
Speaker 1: he's won multiple Super Bowls, He's won multiple Super Bowl MVPs.
19:22
Speaker 1: He's won multiple MVPs. Like his resume speaks for itself.
19:27
Speaker 1: Postseason success matters, And yes, it's win or wins a
19:30
Speaker 1: quarterback stat. I don't think they should be, but that's
19:33
Speaker 1: the way a lot of people compute it. And so
19:35
Speaker 1: if they're a quarterback stat, then the losses our quarterback
19:38
Speaker 1: stat too, whether whether it's fair or not. If you
19:40
Speaker 1: take it one way, you got to take it the
19:41
Speaker 1: other way too. So without them having that success, you
19:45
Speaker 1: have to give Sam Darnold his credit. He's taken two
19:48
Speaker 1: teams different franchises to fourteen wins in the National Football
19:53
Speaker 1: League back to back years.
19:55
Speaker 2: That has to.
19:55
Speaker 1: Matter, and then he made up for the things he
19:59
Speaker 1: was unable to achieve the year before. He came up short,
20:02
Speaker 1: his team came up short in Minnesota. I have yet
20:06
Speaker 1: to hear him make an excuse to blame anybody, to
20:10
Speaker 1: say anything other than I could have been better, I
20:12
Speaker 1: let my teammates down, and I'll be better next time.
20:15
Speaker 2: Well, this was the next time, Mitchell. This playoff run
20:18
Speaker 2: was the next time. And what did he do? He
20:20
Speaker 2: played better for an entirely different city, entirely different franchise,
20:25
Speaker 2: and didn't have a bad word to say about anybody
20:27
Speaker 2: that any place he was before.
20:32
Speaker 1: I love that and I love that, and I think
20:33
Speaker 1: he's gonna get everything he deserves.
20:35
Speaker 2: He's getting. Hopefully he gets the praise he deserves.
20:37
Speaker 1: He was a number three pick in the draft, and
20:39
Speaker 1: when you pick a guy number three in the draft,
20:41
Speaker 1: you expect them to one day hold that Lombardi Trophy up.
20:45
Speaker 2: And he's one of the few that have.
20:49
Speaker 3: It's rare that you find a guy who's drafted third
20:51
Speaker 3: overall that has a chip on his shoulder. But I'm
20:53
Speaker 3: sure Sam Darnold does. With everything that's been talked about
20:56
Speaker 3: him in the media and the way he doesn't, like
20:58
Speaker 3: you said, Richard, he doesn't really let it define him whatsoever.
21:02
Speaker 3: He's letting his play do the talking now and he's
21:04
Speaker 3: turned in. I don't even want to call him a
21:06
Speaker 3: game manager because at one point I said, you know, hey,
21:08
Speaker 3: he just needs to be a good game manager and
21:10
Speaker 3: let the defense do their thing. Richard, they were taking
21:13
Speaker 3: shots downfield. I mean he was getting Cooper Cup involved,
21:16
Speaker 3: AJ Barner involved. These weren't dinking dunk you know, let's
21:20
Speaker 3: not turn the ball over plays like He's setting up
21:23
Speaker 3: the ability for K nine to run by taking these
21:26
Speaker 3: deep shots and holding the defense accountable. Speaking of the
21:30
Speaker 3: running game a little bit, you talked about how the
21:32
Speaker 3: Seahawks are not gonna let Kenneth Walker out of the building.
21:35
Speaker 3: If you're John Schneider, how important was it the run
21:38
Speaker 3: game in this game, because it seems like it really
21:41
Speaker 3: defined their offense and allowed Sam Darnold to play freely
21:44
Speaker 3: out there as well.
21:45
Speaker 1: The run game was the most important part of this game,
21:48
Speaker 1: and I think that set the tempo, that set the pace,
21:51
Speaker 1: and that set the tone. Kenneth Walker set the tone.
21:53
Speaker 1: A majority of their explosives came from this run game,
21:57
Speaker 1: and their biggest play of the night got called back
21:59
Speaker 1: because of a Aalen Sundale hold on on.
22:05
Speaker 2: The linebacker fourteen plane.
22:09
Speaker 1: Spelaine on the holding call on splane, But that would
22:13
Speaker 1: have been the swans On. That would have been the
22:14
Speaker 1: replayed over and over and over because of how Kenneth Walker,
22:18
Speaker 1: you know, set up his blocks popped it out. I
22:22
Speaker 1: think that would have ended the debate about who was
22:24
Speaker 1: the MVP. Obviously people were saying Jason Myers deserved consideration,
22:29
Speaker 1: and I thought that was true too. He set the record,
22:31
Speaker 1: he broke the record for field goals.
22:32
Speaker 2: In the game.
22:33
Speaker 1: You know, he did his part, but the level of
22:36
Speaker 1: difficulty was it there? How many plays is he playing
22:39
Speaker 1: during the game. Those things matter when you talk about
22:41
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP. Maybe there should be an award for
22:43
Speaker 1: special teams because I think the punter Dixon had an
22:47
Speaker 1: incredible game. He was a weapon in this game. Pinned
22:51
Speaker 1: them inside the five yard line multiple times. I think
22:55
Speaker 1: he averaged forty almost forty eight yards of punt. It
22:58
Speaker 1: was just it was magnificent. And that just goes to
23:01
Speaker 1: how complete the Seattle Seahawks team is from top to
23:05
Speaker 1: bottle bottom defensively, offensively, every man mattered in this game,
23:10
Speaker 1: and every phase matters, and you could see the energy
23:14
Speaker 1: and attention of detail that they put into every phase
23:17
Speaker 1: of this team. And that's why they have the ultimate
23:19
Speaker 1: success of winning a Super Bowl and making it look easy.
23:22
Speaker 1: Everybody said the game against the Rams, the NFC Championship
23:26
Speaker 1: was the super Bowl, and that's the way it looked.
23:28
Speaker 1: That's the way it looked. After watching this game, you know,
23:30
Speaker 1: people were like, Oh, this is so boring. It was
23:33
Speaker 1: not boring. It wasn't a boring game. It was a
23:35
Speaker 1: team that was well coached and uberly prepared for this moment,
23:40
Speaker 1: playing against the team that was less prepared, playing against
23:44
Speaker 1: a team that was not ready for the.
23:47
Speaker 2: Issues that they were going to have to deal with.
23:50
Speaker 1: And I don't like that narrative because it motivates the
23:54
Speaker 1: league to create more rules and things to help these
23:57
Speaker 1: offenses have suc success that they don't deserve, Like.
24:03
Speaker 2: This game is about.
24:04
Speaker 1: Running and hitting and being physical, being detailed, like doing
24:07
Speaker 1: your job effectively. And every time they make another rule
24:11
Speaker 1: to handicap the defense and pump up the offense like
24:14
Speaker 1: you cheap in the game. And so don't I don't
24:17
Speaker 1: like fans saying, oh, Man, it wasn't enough points, and
24:20
Speaker 1: we didn't see touchdowns.
24:21
Speaker 2: And big plays. You didn't see sloppy defense.
24:23
Speaker 1: You've seen two well coached defenses and offenses that were
24:26
Speaker 1: trying to manipulate them and trying to dictate the pace
24:29
Speaker 1: that could not. The plays that were there were made.
24:31
Speaker 1: The players that were not there were not gonna be made.
24:33
Speaker 1: This New England Patriots offense has not been anything special
24:36
Speaker 1: during these playoffs. I didn't expect them to be anything
24:39
Speaker 1: special this week. I thought they should have lost multiple times.
24:44
Speaker 1: They deserved to lose multiple times, and that defense kept
24:47
Speaker 1: them in a game. You talked about the Houston Texans game.
24:50
Speaker 1: I mean, if CJ. Stroud doesn't have those turnovers, I
24:55
Speaker 1: don't think they I don't think they're in that game.
24:56
Speaker 1: I don't think their offense did anything to say, man,
25:01
Speaker 1: they really got the Houston Texans defense pig because they didn't.
25:05
Speaker 1: I don't think they did anything really extraordinary against the Chargers.
25:08
Speaker 1: I thought the Chargers defense beat him up. That's why
25:11
Speaker 1: Drake may has been sacked, was sacked fifteen times in
25:13
Speaker 1: those three games, and the Seattle Seahawks exposed that. Will
25:17
Speaker 1: Campbell he was set. I don't know, because I don't
25:19
Speaker 1: know offensive line talk, but from what I'm understanding, he
25:24
Speaker 1: wasn't getting his feet said, he wasn't shooting his hands
25:26
Speaker 1: early enough, and that led to him getting beat multiple times.
25:30
Speaker 1: But he's been beat like a drum this entire playoff run.
25:33
Speaker 1: When your first round pick, top four pick is a
25:36
Speaker 1: fish out there, and that's the way they see him
25:38
Speaker 1: on tape. Regardless of how you feel it, feel about it.
25:42
Speaker 1: It's a chess game, and if one of the pieces
25:44
Speaker 1: is consistently getting taken, it's not about personnel and personal
25:48
Speaker 1: attacks or anything like that. When the Seattle Seahawks prepared
25:51
Speaker 1: for this game, they saw weakness and they exploited. They
25:53
Speaker 1: isolated him versus multiple defenders. They thought Derek Hall's power
25:57
Speaker 1: could overwhelm him.
25:58
Speaker 2: It did.
25:59
Speaker 1: They thought boy Fay's speed, They thought DeMarcus Lawrence's speed
26:03
Speaker 1: and power.
26:03
Speaker 2: They thought these.
26:05
Speaker 1: Things would be an issue for that young man. And
26:07
Speaker 1: then even the left guard. You got a rookie left
26:10
Speaker 1: side of your offensive line. I think they gave up
26:14
Speaker 1: nine of the nineteen pressures that the Patriots gave up,
26:20
Speaker 1: and they gave up three sacks. Because it's youth, you know,
26:23
Speaker 1: will they get better, Will they get stronger, Will they
26:25
Speaker 1: understand the game more?
26:26
Speaker 2: No question about it.
26:27
Speaker 1: Could they be all pros, all world players in the future,
26:30
Speaker 1: No question about it. But in this game, it's very
26:33
Speaker 1: unfigured for unforgiving. If you feel a weakness, you see
26:38
Speaker 1: a weakness, that's where you go. And it's not about
26:41
Speaker 1: making anybody feel good or feel bad. It's about winning
26:43
Speaker 1: the game. And that's what the Seattle Seahawks did consistently.
26:46
Speaker 1: That's what this defense did consistently. They prepared really well,
26:50
Speaker 1: and they showed up in the biggest moment in the
26:53
Speaker 1: biggest ways. And that's Witherspoon, that's Julian Love, played a
26:57
Speaker 1: great game. Kobe Bryant, big hits, all over the place,
26:59
Speaker 1: Ernest Jones all over the place Byron Murphy, Leonard Williams.
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Speaker 3: You know what, there was so many bright spots defensively
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Speaker 3: who stood out to you the I mean, I know
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32:04
Speaker 3: Devin Witherspoon Man, I mean the way he came off
32:06
Speaker 3: that edge for the sack, the way he was playing
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Speaker 3: in that draft to take him well the fifth overall. Right,
32:14
Speaker 3: So that to take him top five and see something
32:17
Speaker 3: in a product out of Illinois, Richard, Who did you
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Speaker 3: like most offensively? Who stood out the most to you?
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Speaker 1: And that's impossible to say, because yes, I love Devin Witherspoon.
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Speaker 1: I mean he plays like a maniac every game. He
32:28
Speaker 1: plays with a relentless effort and attitude. Really plays way
32:32
Speaker 1: bigger than his weight in size, says, and he does
32:36
Speaker 1: it consistently. But if you look at Derek Hale and
32:40
Speaker 1: the impact he had in this game huge, If you
32:42
Speaker 1: looked at Leonard Williams, even if the stats weren't there,
32:44
Speaker 1: the impact was huge. Byron Murphy impact was huge in
32:48
Speaker 1: the back end. You look at Josh Job in the
32:51
Speaker 1: game he had just quietly Josh Job has had an
32:54
Speaker 1: incredible season as quietly, quietly, quietly quiet of a great
32:59
Speaker 1: season as I've seen in this league. And if he
33:02
Speaker 1: was a free agent, we'd be talking about a lot
33:04
Speaker 1: of money being paid to him and his family. So
33:08
Speaker 1: I think the Seahawks are gonna do something to extend him.
33:10
Speaker 1: He's very important to what they do defensively. Again, Tarik
33:13
Speaker 1: Wooland played a played a really good game, had the
33:15
Speaker 1: win win play against MATC Collins where I think the
33:18
Speaker 1: entire defense fell asleep. They got him on the same
33:20
Speaker 1: play that the Rams got him on the week before.
33:24
Speaker 1: They saw he saw number two going across, which which
33:27
Speaker 1: means hey to across one end and all the all
33:32
Speaker 1: the receiver does is stutter, you know, show that he's
33:35
Speaker 1: gonna break to the dig you break. As soon as
33:38
Speaker 1: you break, he goes up and they had a touchdown.
33:40
Speaker 1: That's what happens against Pooka in the court. That's what
33:42
Speaker 1: happened in this game. But again, he played a good game.
33:45
Speaker 1: Nick Emmin Warrior, I think the entire defense could have
33:47
Speaker 1: got an MVP. They could have gave the m v
33:49
Speaker 1: P Trophy to their entire defense, and and nobody would
33:52
Speaker 1: have really better than an eyelash at that because of
33:54
Speaker 1: how impactful all of them were. And I think that's
33:56
Speaker 1: the reason none of them got it, because you couldn't
33:59
Speaker 1: figure out who to get to.
34:01
Speaker 3: Quite literally, you have to give it to the entire defense. Richard,
34:05
Speaker 3: we got to talk a little bit about the Patriots,
34:07
Speaker 3: you know, we talked quite a bit throughout this season
34:10
Speaker 3: about how much of a cakewalk their schedule was, and
34:14
Speaker 3: then they get to the playoffs and they play a
34:17
Speaker 3: beat up Chargers team. They were very fortunate and obviously
34:21
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it wasn't to their credit,
34:23
Speaker 3: but obviously c J. Stroud had a horrendous showing. And
34:26
Speaker 3: then ultimately they play the Broncos without bone Nicks. What
34:31
Speaker 3: does this say about the AFC? Is this just a
34:33
Speaker 3: down year for the AFC or the Seattle Seahawks just
34:37
Speaker 3: that dominant.
34:38
Speaker 1: Well, it's not a down year. I mean I yes, yes,
34:41
Speaker 1: it's down year. Let's not go crazy about that. Because
34:45
Speaker 1: if you walk into the playoffs without Patrick Mahomes there,
34:48
Speaker 1: without Lamar Jackson, which who could have easily made the
34:52
Speaker 1: playoffs with. You know, the miskick changed all everybody's trajectory
34:58
Speaker 1: in that game. But without those guys in the playoffs
35:03
Speaker 1: for that side, they're so top heavy, so quarterback centric.
35:08
Speaker 1: Pretty much anybody you put out there after that was
35:10
Speaker 1: going to struggle with this defense. Now, the Denver Broncos
35:15
Speaker 1: had a defense that they felt really good about vance
35:17
Speaker 1: Joseph in his scheme. They've done a really good job
35:20
Speaker 1: all season long. I thought that would have made a
35:22
Speaker 1: really fun defensive game had they made it. Unfortunately, bo
35:25
Speaker 1: Knicks get gets injured. I think second to third last
35:28
Speaker 1: play of the game. Otherwise that would have been the
35:31
Speaker 1: Super Bowl rematch that everybody was looking for to to
35:35
Speaker 1: really good defenses going at it. We saw the way
35:37
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks battled against the Houston Texans in that
35:41
Speaker 1: ferocious defense. They found a way to make that a
35:44
Speaker 1: doll fight in Seattle. So that would have been a
35:45
Speaker 1: good matchup. But unfortunately it didn't work out that way.
35:49
Speaker 1: So you don't want to say anything's luck, because it's not.
35:51
Speaker 1: They won those games. They didn't tell Sean Payton not
35:55
Speaker 1: to kick the field goal, they didn't do all that.
35:56
Speaker 1: They won the game that was in front of them,
35:58
Speaker 1: so they earned their way to be there. I did
36:01
Speaker 1: not think anybody on the AFC side would be able
36:04
Speaker 1: to beat the Rams or the Seahawks, if I'm being honest,
36:06
Speaker 1: regardless of who it was in the playoff field that
36:10
Speaker 1: that was that made it this year.
36:13
Speaker 2: So I don't, I don't. It's it's just one of
36:15
Speaker 2: those years.
36:16
Speaker 1: You know, there are other years where you look up
36:17
Speaker 1: and the Kansas City Chiefs looked like the class of
36:19
Speaker 1: the the NFL, and you look like, hey, who on
36:23
Speaker 1: the NFC side is gonna gonna be able to battle
36:25
Speaker 1: with them, and you know, use this the Niners or
36:27
Speaker 1: the Eagles, and and then it's a dog fight. And
36:29
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahons may pill it out, he may not. But
36:33
Speaker 1: without him in it, the AFC just didn't seem as formidable.
36:36
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this game was was wasn't ever
36:40
Speaker 1: gonna be close, but I called it being a two
36:42
Speaker 1: touchdown game, and it was a two touchdown guy.
36:45
Speaker 2: It did. It's sure was.
36:47
Speaker 3: And their quarterback, Drake May, I mean, listen, he was
36:50
Speaker 3: in this MVP conversation, whether you thought he deserved to
36:53
Speaker 3: be or not, and it became a lot closer of
36:55
Speaker 3: a race for that m VP than I think a
36:57
Speaker 3: lot of folks anticipated. Matthews effort narrowly want it. In fact,
37:02
Speaker 3: he received twenty four first place votes to Drake May's
37:05
Speaker 3: twenty three. Richard, Drake May struggled this game. I think
37:10
Speaker 3: the entire New England Patriot offense struggled this game. But
37:14
Speaker 3: obviously with loss comes opportunity to grow. What do you
37:18
Speaker 3: think that Drake May needs to focus on most in
37:20
Speaker 3: order to take that next step and be an MVP
37:23
Speaker 3: in this league.
37:24
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's a lot of things, and it's not
37:26
Speaker 1: all on Drake may not all the things are in
37:28
Speaker 1: his control. They need to They need a more talented team.
37:32
Speaker 1: He needs more protection. You can't you can't get sacked.
37:34
Speaker 1: I think he was sacked twenty two times in these playoffs,
37:38
Speaker 1: you know, twenty two times, and his shoulder was hurt.
37:43
Speaker 1: And you can't play that that way and expect to
37:48
Speaker 1: have a ton of success. You got to protect him.
37:50
Speaker 1: He has to do a better job getting the football
37:51
Speaker 1: out quickly. But Josh McDaniel has to give him some
37:55
Speaker 1: hot reads. They have to give him answers when when
37:58
Speaker 1: there's blitz is coming and you got deep developing routes
38:01
Speaker 1: and nobody's hot, nobody's looking when it's time for him
38:04
Speaker 1: to win, the pressures on the way and he needs
38:06
Speaker 1: an outlet, you have to give him an outlet.
38:08
Speaker 2: So you have to set him up for success.
38:10
Speaker 1: And I think that's an effort that includes the entire
38:14
Speaker 1: coaching staff to say, hey, we got to be able
38:16
Speaker 1: to recognize these these pressures, recognize who we're playing against,
38:20
Speaker 1: and give him answers that he can get to really
38:23
Speaker 1: quickly if pressure gets home. And I think that's a
38:26
Speaker 1: big part of it. I think getting him more talent
38:28
Speaker 1: at receiver. I like Kayshawan Boody, I like Douglas. Obviously
38:32
Speaker 1: Diggs is a veteran who does it well, but I
38:34
Speaker 1: think they need to continue to invest in that position.
38:37
Speaker 1: I don't mccollins is the one who makes the big
38:40
Speaker 1: play in the Super Bowl, Like he's the one who
38:42
Speaker 1: scores a touchdown for you to kind of get going.
38:46
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what they expected when they signed him.
38:49
Speaker 1: You need a big time receiver that can go get it.
38:51
Speaker 1: Do they make a trade for AJ Brown or a
38:54
Speaker 1: receiver like that, who's who's a real, bona fide number
38:57
Speaker 1: one receiver. I think that's what's gonna have to happen.
39:00
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to see some growth from Trevion Henderson.
39:03
Speaker 1: His his opportunities were limited because of how bad he
39:07
Speaker 1: was in the past game. He couldn't pass protect. They
39:09
Speaker 1: couldn't trust him in pass protection, so you can't be
39:12
Speaker 1: out there. So with mindre Stevenson, who isn't as good
39:16
Speaker 1: and as explosive as Travion Hendrickson in a past game,
39:20
Speaker 1: has to be out there because he's more reliable in
39:23
Speaker 1: past blocking. They know he's gonna pick up the right guy.
39:25
Speaker 1: He's gonna be where he's supposed to be and be
39:27
Speaker 1: and not be a liability out there. So that's some
39:31
Speaker 1: on the personnel and the players just getting better at
39:33
Speaker 1: their job. But I think you have to surround him
39:36
Speaker 1: with more talent. I didn't think it was a close
39:39
Speaker 1: race for the for the MVP at all, And I
39:43
Speaker 1: think that's what I hate about the voting now, is
39:47
Speaker 1: their justification for things is like, hey, this guy's team
39:50
Speaker 1: is worse and and they're doing better than you expect
39:54
Speaker 1: him to, so he's the MVP. Like that's not that's
39:56
Speaker 1: not That's not it for me. Who's playing better? And
40:00
Speaker 1: if and this goes both ways, if Drake May had
40:03
Speaker 1: had thrown for what was it, forty forty six touchdowns
40:07
Speaker 1: and had eight interceptions and we beat screaming the same way,
40:10
Speaker 1: that Drake May should be the MVP.
40:12
Speaker 2: But you're not gonna say a guy with.
40:14
Speaker 1: Double digit less touch passing touchdowns is better than the
40:18
Speaker 1: other guy. I'm sorry. That's not the world we live in.
40:21
Speaker 1: And I don't even like the discussion, like, well, you
40:24
Speaker 1: don't understand the full scope.
40:25
Speaker 2: Yes I do.
40:27
Speaker 1: I understand that I watched Matthew Stafford playing the most
40:32
Speaker 1: competitive division in the National Football League and put up
40:35
Speaker 1: those numbers. I watched him play against this same Seattle
40:39
Speaker 1: Seahawks defense that Drake May struggled royally with during the
40:43
Speaker 1: regular season and throw for four to seventy four seventy
40:46
Speaker 1: and five touchdowns like that. That was the end of
40:49
Speaker 1: it right there. That should have ended. It ended the conversation.
40:52
Speaker 1: I did not see a signature performance like that from
40:56
Speaker 1: Drake May against a really top defense, and that is
40:59
Speaker 1: that his fault that they didn't go against one of
41:01
Speaker 1: the great defenses.
41:03
Speaker 2: No, it's not.
41:04
Speaker 1: But if you're if you're not gonna put up those
41:07
Speaker 1: kind of points. And everybody points to Matthew Stafford's one
41:13
Speaker 1: yard touchdowns or whatever the case may be. I think
41:15
Speaker 1: he had a double digit of those with connecting with
41:19
Speaker 1: uh Davante Davonte Davante Adams. But at the end of
41:24
Speaker 1: the day, stats or stats, maybe stats are stats. Numbers
41:28
Speaker 1: are numbers, and he's out there playing like this in
41:31
Speaker 1: the biggest games. They lost that game to the Seattle
41:33
Speaker 1: Seahawks that he threw and it wasn't garbage time they
41:35
Speaker 1: were battling. It's an overtime game. He scored in overtime,
41:38
Speaker 1: he gave his team a chance. They scored, got the
41:40
Speaker 1: pat The Seahawks just went for two and got it.
41:42
Speaker 1: The only reason he loses that game is because he
41:44
Speaker 1: doesn't have another chance. He left. He left the field
41:47
Speaker 1: with the league, and so as a quarterback, he did
41:51
Speaker 1: everything you could to put your team in position. Yes,
41:54
Speaker 1: he has pooping, the cool and and a great team
41:56
Speaker 1: around him, but that's what happens. Rarely are you gonna
42:00
Speaker 1: have a great offense without great players around you. Rarely
42:03
Speaker 1: are you gonna see MVPs without Pro bowlers on their team.
42:06
Speaker 1: It's rare, and sure it happens, but it's only happening
42:10
Speaker 1: more nowadays because there's some weird fixation with with saying, hey, man,
42:16
Speaker 1: these guys it's a feel good story. Like, man, they
42:19
Speaker 1: shouldn't be here, like just a National Football League guys,
42:22
Speaker 1: like numbers have to matter. If numbers don't matter, then
42:25
Speaker 1: let's stop. Let's stop having it and just give it
42:27
Speaker 1: to whoever you feel good about. You know, Hey, who's
42:30
Speaker 1: the who's the most unlikely hero this year? That's the MVP.
42:33
Speaker 1: That's not how it works, and that's not how it
42:35
Speaker 1: worked before. And so if they would have not gave
42:38
Speaker 1: it to Stafford with forty six touchdowns to eight interceptions.
42:43
Speaker 1: I mean that this probably would have been the last
42:45
Speaker 1: time I had any respect for this award. This probably
42:48
Speaker 1: would have been the last time I even thought about it.
42:51
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you.
42:53
Speaker 3: I mean, not only did it beat them statistically, but
42:56
Speaker 3: more obvious to me was the eye test. And I
42:58
Speaker 3: think it's just got to be SIMI, who would you
43:01
Speaker 3: want to face?
43:02
Speaker 2: Less?
43:02
Speaker 3: I would far less like to face Matthew Stafford than
43:06
Speaker 3: I would Drake May. Matthew Stafford's got that killer instinct
43:09
Speaker 3: and he showed it all season long, Richard. For the
43:12
Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks to take care of him, both in the
43:15
Speaker 3: division and in the playoffs is a remarkable testament to
43:18
Speaker 3: how good this team is.
43:20
Speaker 2: Richard.
43:21
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this roster, and this Seattle Seahawks roster
43:25
Speaker 3: is young. They've got a lot of cap space going
43:28
Speaker 3: into this offseason. I'm just gonna rattle off some names
43:30
Speaker 3: here for you. Nick m and Warre twenty one, Bira
43:33
Speaker 3: Murphy twenty three, JSN twenty three, Tory Horton twenty three,
43:37
Speaker 3: Gray's Abel twenty three, Devin Witherspoon twenty five, Charles Cross
43:41
Speaker 3: twenty five, Charbona twenty five, K nine twenty five, Kobe
43:45
Speaker 3: Bryant twenty six, Ernest Jones twenty six, Riek Wooland twenty six,
43:51
Speaker 3: Rashid Shaheed twenty seven, your Boy, Julian Love twenty seven,
43:55
Speaker 3: and Sam Darnold who's under team control twenty eight. Do
43:59
Speaker 3: we have a die in the making here in Seattle?
44:03
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, but it feels like it. Yeah.
44:07
Speaker 1: I hate getting getting ut the cart before the horse,
44:11
Speaker 1: but they won the first one and they want it
44:13
Speaker 1: in convincing fashion, and you feel good about the team
44:16
Speaker 1: coming back. You feel good about the scheme and the
44:19
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Will Clint Kobiak going to the Raiders matter, Yes,
44:22
Speaker 1: it'll matter. Will there be continuity? You have a veteran
44:25
Speaker 1: quarterback who knows how to navigate this offense, who knows
44:29
Speaker 1: you know, That's why quarterbacks are so important, because the
44:32
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is great. But a quarterback who also understands
44:36
Speaker 1: the scheme, understands what they do well, and that's not leaving.
44:39
Speaker 1: And so I think having Sam there for another year,
44:45
Speaker 1: And you gotta remember this is his first year with
44:46
Speaker 1: these guys. They lost Tory Horton earlier in the year.
44:49
Speaker 1: They lost some of their weapons earlier in the year,
44:51
Speaker 1: and they'll get those guys back, and I think they'll
44:53
Speaker 1: invest even more on the offensive side because they feel
44:56
Speaker 1: great about what they have on the defensive side. I
44:58
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to try to draft more D lineman,
45:01
Speaker 1: even though I mean, you can never have enough. I
45:05
Speaker 1: think guys are more op to take team friendly deals
45:09
Speaker 1: because of how successful and how great this staff is,
45:11
Speaker 1: how great this team is, how great the culture is,
45:14
Speaker 1: and I don't think they want to go anywhere else.
45:15
Speaker 1: They know they have something special here. I don't think
45:18
Speaker 1: they're going to lose a lot of coaches to Clink
45:21
Speaker 1: Kubiak's staff, because it's that's such an unknown, you know,
45:25
Speaker 1: and such an unstable organization. They've fired multiple coaches within
45:28
Speaker 1: the after the first year coaching. So do you want
45:32
Speaker 1: to leave a potential dynasty to go somewhere that where
45:35
Speaker 1: your staff could be fired if things don't go well
45:38
Speaker 1: and you don't have you're not inheriting a really talented
45:41
Speaker 1: team to begin with. So I don't think that he's
45:44
Speaker 1: going to take a lot of the staff with him,
45:47
Speaker 1: But we'll see how that goes. But I think this
45:49
Speaker 1: is a sustainable model with the way they have it constructed,
45:53
Speaker 1: and I look forward to them using Heed in a
45:56
Speaker 1: more aggressive way and working hard. They have a lot
45:59
Speaker 1: of caps, but they have a lot of guys they
46:01
Speaker 1: have to retain, and I think they're gonna work to
46:03
Speaker 1: retain them. And you know, I think they're gonna work
46:05
Speaker 1: to retain Kobe Bryant and Josh Joe to start to
46:09
Speaker 1: wreak Wooland. I think there will be a conversation, but
46:12
Speaker 1: I expect him to go out and get a lot
46:14
Speaker 1: of money.
46:14
Speaker 2: You know.
46:14
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a highly sought after
46:17
Speaker 1: free agent, especially for man centric teams. And will the
46:22
Speaker 1: Seaouts be able to match him? Will they be able
46:24
Speaker 1: to convince him to stay. I think Josh Joe will
46:26
Speaker 1: be more of a discounted price because he's undrafted.
46:30
Speaker 2: This is his first year. Was he a full time starter.
46:33
Speaker 1: He didn't have the the he doesn't have the baggage
46:35
Speaker 1: that not necessarily baggage, but he doesn't have the he
46:41
Speaker 1: doesn't have necessarily the success that Tarik Wooland has shown.
46:43
Speaker 1: Tarik Wooland was a pro bowler. He's gotten a little
46:46
Speaker 1: bit of accolades. He's shown success in his state, the
46:48
Speaker 1: ability to take the football away. So I think they'll
46:50
Speaker 1: work hard to retain Josh Joe, but it'll still be
46:53
Speaker 1: double digits. It'll still be ten plus million dollars that
46:56
Speaker 1: they have to spend per year to retain him. Kenneth
46:59
Speaker 1: Walker is obviously the biggest name on this list. The
47:03
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP. He has to be retained. How he
47:06
Speaker 1: played at the end of the year almost made it.
47:09
Speaker 1: It was like the light popped on, like he gets it.
47:12
Speaker 1: He gets it more now than he ever has. So
47:14
Speaker 1: you have to work hard to retain your guys. And
47:16
Speaker 1: how much does it costing to retain a running back?
47:19
Speaker 1: Nowadays it's gonna be thirteen million, fourteen million. The CAP's
47:22
Speaker 1: just going up. You're not paying your quarterback top of
47:24
Speaker 1: the market. That's why you're able to retain these guys.
47:26
Speaker 1: But you have to. That's an important part of these
47:29
Speaker 1: dynasties is being able to retain the guys that helped
47:32
Speaker 1: you get there.
47:34
Speaker 3: Well, that's safe to say. John Schneider is on an
47:37
Speaker 3: absolute heater. The way he's been drafting Richard. His draft
47:41
Speaker 3: picks is succession of drafts kickstarted the LB era right
47:45
Speaker 3: when you cam Bobby. You know, obviously they got the
47:48
Speaker 3: quarterback in Russell, and to get Sam Darnold and pluck
47:52
Speaker 3: him out of free agency, and then to have a
47:54
Speaker 3: draft with Nick Ammin, Warre, Grey Zabel, you know, obviously
47:57
Speaker 3: Byron Murphy at JSN. All these guys come in recent drafts.
48:01
Speaker 3: You know, now it's time to turn the page to
48:03
Speaker 3: the free agency. Out of all those names that you
48:06
Speaker 3: just listed, which one do you think is most important
48:09
Speaker 3: that they secure and bring back next year.
48:12
Speaker 2: Well, it's Kenneth Walker. It's Kenneth Walker. You just saw.
48:16
Speaker 1: Zach Charbonne was a very important part of this season,
48:18
Speaker 1: and when he was injured, I think there was a
48:21
Speaker 1: lot of uncertainty for a lot of people because they've
48:24
Speaker 1: done it by committee for so long this season. You know,
48:27
Speaker 1: they split carries because you don't want to put all
48:29
Speaker 1: the workload on one running back. They K nine was
48:33
Speaker 1: a little beat up throughout his career when he had
48:35
Speaker 1: to take those kind of carries consistently. And what he
48:38
Speaker 1: showed over the last five games is he could carry
48:40
Speaker 1: the workload once the end of the season came, like, hey,
48:43
Speaker 1: maybe throughout the season he does need some by committee,
48:46
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, help to take some of
48:49
Speaker 1: the pressure off of But when it's money time, you
48:52
Speaker 1: can lean on him in that way and expect him
48:54
Speaker 1: to have success. And I think that's important to continuity
48:58
Speaker 1: there is important. So to it allow him to walk
49:00
Speaker 1: away with what he just did this playoff run would
49:04
Speaker 1: just be silly to me. And I don't think he
49:05
Speaker 1: wants to go, and I don't think the team wants
49:07
Speaker 1: him to go, So I think that's the most important piece,
49:10
Speaker 1: and I think the rest of the pieces falling in
49:11
Speaker 1: place after you get him secure.
49:14
Speaker 3: Your spot on. I mean, it's very unfortunate what happened
49:17
Speaker 3: to Zach Charbonnay with the ACL injury, but no one
49:19
Speaker 3: benefited from it more than Kenneth Walker. Like I said,
49:23
Speaker 3: I witness his first hand when he was at Michigan State.
49:25
Speaker 3: He was alone back in that backfield, was carrying the
49:28
Speaker 3: ball thirty plus times a game to no problem, wearing
49:30
Speaker 3: down defenses. I think the rest of the world got
49:33
Speaker 3: to see that on Super Bowl Sunday, Kenneth Walker taking
49:37
Speaker 3: over twenty seven carries over one hundred and thirty yards rushing.
49:41
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I think he's very vital that they
49:44
Speaker 3: bring back. Obviously, Kobe Bryant has come on here this year.
49:47
Speaker 3: You mentioned jobs show Reek wooland, but they have gotten
49:51
Speaker 3: an embarrassment of riches on the defensive side of the ball.
49:54
Speaker 3: I to agree K nine is a must bring back
49:56
Speaker 3: for this team. Richard. It's been a hell of a run.
50:00
Speaker 3: You were one of the few I would say that
50:02
Speaker 3: called this from training camp. And but go ahead, because.
50:09
Speaker 1: I want to address this thing because they're gonna keep
50:12
Speaker 1: doing it and unless we address it the dress the way,
50:16
Speaker 1: my friend, the whole comparison thing is l O B
50:19
Speaker 1: MLB comparison thing that they want to continue to do
50:23
Speaker 1: and who's better? And I love I loved what they
50:26
Speaker 1: did this season. It was fantastic. But we live in
50:29
Speaker 1: a day and age everybody feels the need to compare, compare, compare?
50:33
Speaker 1: Is this better than that? Is this better than that?
50:36
Speaker 1: Is this person better than this person who played this time?
50:38
Speaker 1: Like we don't know, we don't know, But sometimes you
50:42
Speaker 1: don't have to compare. You know, It's like great art, Mitchell,
50:45
Speaker 1: do you do you compare like a van go to
50:48
Speaker 1: a Picasso? Like no, you just appreciate they're both beautiful.
50:52
Speaker 1: You know, you appreciate that they're both incredible pieces of
50:55
Speaker 1: art by incredible artists. You don't need to say, well,
50:58
Speaker 1: Picassos is better because Van Goldes was better, or a
51:02
Speaker 1: Michael Angelo's was better because of this. No, you don't
51:06
Speaker 1: need to do it. You don't need to do it.
51:07
Speaker 1: Just appreciate the art, Appreciate the incredibly dominant Super Bowl
51:12
Speaker 1: champion team that you just got to witness. These guys
51:15
Speaker 1: are incredible in their own right. They don't need to
51:18
Speaker 1: be associated with us or compared or you know, two
51:21
Speaker 1: point zero or two. They are one point zero, original,
51:25
Speaker 1: unique versions of themselves, and they did an incredible job,
51:28
Speaker 1: had an incredible season, and they deserve all the shine
51:31
Speaker 1: and credit. Y'all don't need to tie them in to
51:34
Speaker 1: us in any way to take away their shine. Let
51:36
Speaker 1: them shine, baby. They went out there and did it.
51:39
Speaker 1: We didn't have nothing to do with it.
51:41
Speaker 3: You know.
51:41
Speaker 1: We talked to guys a little bit, try to try
51:43
Speaker 1: to answer questions and support them in the ways any
51:46
Speaker 1: veteran and any old guys would. But at the end
51:51
Speaker 1: of the day, these guys went out here and did
51:52
Speaker 1: something incredibly special, had a dominant season in an incredible way.
51:57
Speaker 1: When the odds were really long. I think there were
51:59
Speaker 1: sixty to one. I think it was the most improbable
52:03
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion like the last twenty years, which is
52:06
Speaker 1: a testament to the guys in the building. And I
52:08
Speaker 1: thought again when I went in training camp. When I
52:11
Speaker 1: went to training camp, you could feel it. You could
52:13
Speaker 1: feel the attention of detail, you could feel the hunger,
52:16
Speaker 1: you could feel the how locked in everybody was and
52:19
Speaker 1: how much they care. And that's why I felt good
52:22
Speaker 1: about them winning the division and particularly winning the Super Bowl,
52:25
Speaker 1: because that you don't have that everywhere. Everybody doesn't take
52:29
Speaker 1: this serious and everybody doesn't have that cohesiveness, that togetherness,
52:33
Speaker 1: that brotherhood. I could feel the brotherhood starting with the
52:36
Speaker 1: offensive line. And what's crazy is Grey's Abel was at
52:41
Speaker 1: the heart of that. Greysabel was at the heart of
52:43
Speaker 1: the jailing of the offensive line coming together throughout training camp,
52:46
Speaker 1: and I think he's a big reason they have the
52:50
Speaker 1: success they do. I mean, obviously him and Sondale played
52:53
Speaker 1: together at North Dakota State, but the way he and
52:56
Speaker 1: Charles Cross had a relationship. Charles Cross in training camp, like,
52:59
Speaker 1: hey man, I can't miss practice because I can't let
53:02
Speaker 1: my guy down. This is training camp, and sometimes guys
53:04
Speaker 1: are so quick to be selfish in training camp for
53:07
Speaker 1: the seeing, Ah, I got to do what's best for me,
53:08
Speaker 1: and that's fine, you know what I mean, nothing wrong
53:10
Speaker 1: with that. But when you're trying to win Super Bowls,
53:13
Speaker 1: it's we over me, And when you try to get
53:17
Speaker 1: paid and have a long career, sometimes those things are
53:20
Speaker 1: online the same way. Sometimes it's me over we because
53:23
Speaker 1: I got to make sure my family's fed. I gotta
53:25
Speaker 1: make sure my body sustains for a long time. But
53:30
Speaker 1: when I started to hear those things in training camp,
53:32
Speaker 1: I said, oh, this team might have the makings of
53:35
Speaker 1: something really cool, because it's not always about talent level.
53:38
Speaker 1: When you got guys that will play for one another,
53:40
Speaker 1: when you got guys that will sacrifice for one another.
53:42
Speaker 1: When you got guys that will go out there and
53:44
Speaker 1: put their body in harm's way, not for selfish gains
53:48
Speaker 1: or selfish needs, but because they care about the guy
53:51
Speaker 1: next to them.
53:52
Speaker 2: That's when you have special teams.
53:54
Speaker 1: And then you get into situations where things get adverse,
53:57
Speaker 1: things get crazy, things get out of hand.
54:00
Speaker 2: Instead of attacking and each.
54:02
Speaker 1: Guy you know, I mean imploding, you do like a
54:05
Speaker 1: family do does and you overcome it together. And I
54:09
Speaker 1: think that's what I understood about this team, and that's
54:11
Speaker 1: what I saw on training camp, along with Mike McDonald's
54:15
Speaker 1: scheme and how much he cares and how detailed he is,
54:19
Speaker 1: and how much humility and how humble of a man
54:22
Speaker 1: he is. His confidence and his trust and everything that
54:26
Speaker 1: he's built comes from the work he puts in, the
54:28
Speaker 1: work that his staff puts in there. There's no fluff
54:31
Speaker 1: about it, no fluff about who they are and what
54:34
Speaker 1: they put out there. It's the work that they're putting in.
54:36
Speaker 1: They don't it's no guesswork involved. They want to put
54:39
Speaker 1: their guys in the best position possible and get the
54:41
Speaker 1: best guys out there to go out there and do
54:43
Speaker 1: the job.
54:43
Speaker 2: It's nothing personal. It's all business.
54:45
Speaker 1: And those guys were in an incredible business, incredible team,
54:48
Speaker 1: incredible culture, and congratulations to them.
54:52
Speaker 3: The Seattle Seahawks are taking over modern day football right now, Richards.
54:55
Speaker 3: Since two thousand and two, they have ten division titles,
54:58
Speaker 3: they got four Super Bowl upeararance is, they got two
55:01
Speaker 3: Lombardi trophies hanging in their trophy case. Now they're starting
55:05
Speaker 3: to make some other fan bases envious. I mean they've
55:07
Speaker 3: turned into a juggernaut. I don't see it stopping anytime soon.
55:12
Speaker 3: I think that this team is gonna go on a
55:14
Speaker 3: little bit of a run here, Richard. Whether they can
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Speaker 3: replicate this year or not, they're gonna be highly competitive
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Speaker 3: going into next season. The twelves in Seattle, congratulations, you
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Speaker 3: guys deserve this. Rocking the Seattle Seahawks hat and support.
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Speaker 2: Richard.
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Speaker 3: It's been a hell of a year. Love sitting down
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Speaker 3: with you numerous times a week down the stretch. You've
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Speaker 3: been committed. Your work ethic is unmatched, and it was
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Speaker 3: an awesome time being able to spend on Radio Row
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Speaker 3: in San Francisco with you. Pat this past week. My man,
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Speaker 3: I will let you side us off as we welcome
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Speaker 3: home the Seattle Seahawks super Bowl champs. Congratulations again, and.
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Speaker 2: I would say the same thing about you, Mitchell.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate all the hard work and sacrifice showing up
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Speaker 1: every single week for us, for the fans, even when
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Speaker 1: sometimes you're Troy Lions did not they let you down
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Speaker 1: a little bit. But you know what, Mitchell, your weather
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Speaker 1: to storm, you showed up and we surely do appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: We appreciate every one of you fans for joining us
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Speaker 1: every single week, for tuning in, for hitting that sub button,
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Speaker 1: for hearing what I have to say and what Mitchell
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Speaker 1: has to say about the National Football League and what's transpired.
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Speaker 1: You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here
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Speaker 1: with us, and nobody appreciates you more than we do.
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Speaker 1: Twelves Seattle Seahawks fans. Enjoy this moment. Enjoy it every
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Speaker 1: second of it, because this is what it's about. The
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Speaker 1: trophy's coming back to Seattle and the parade is on Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll see you there. Enjoy it, get bragging rights,
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Speaker 1: all the nonsense. Write the stuff on Twitter you've been
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Speaker 1: waiting to write, Find those receipts, put them up. It's
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Speaker 1: time to celebrate because your Seattle Seahawks are world champions.
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Speaker 2: Once again. Appreciate you hit that sub button.