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AHMED-SEASON 2 DA CREW PODCAST_BONUS SHOW_HOST SHANETTE W JOHNSON · DA CREW Podcast

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  Good evening and welcome to another episode of UT's talk about It. I'm your
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  host at Johnson. On this evening, I will be talking to my names.
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  He's currently incarcerated in Denver, California. In nineteen ninety nine, he
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  was, he was and he went. He was arrested and at the age
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  of seventeen a juvenile and he was sentenced to life without the possibility of paroles.
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  But in twenty eighteen the laws has changed and it was revised and he
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  was recent sentence too. I believe thirty forty years to life, in which
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  he will have to serve thirty years. But in the meantime his health began
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  to fail. So I have a Mond on the phone with me this evening.
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  So just sit back and grab you a bottle of water, wine,
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  whatever you may want feel like drinking, and let's talk. Good evening to
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  mine. How are you? How are you doing tonight? I'm good,
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  I'm good. Thank you for asking. So what would you like to share
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  with the viewers on this evening? What would you like to you know,
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  talk about. Well, I don't like you. You know, they are
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  they're over punishing, as you know what I'm saying. They're getting us in
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  here and they just hold us, you know what I'm saying, and not
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  really giving us any any chance. You know. They're saying that they're giving
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  us a way out, but they're really not giving us a way out,
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  you know what I'm saying, And so they won't. I'm here and as
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  you mentioned, my health is feeling, and now they say they want me
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  to do this program, but it's not feasible for me to do this program
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  at the facility that I'm at. And you know, they're not doing nothing
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  to try to make sure that I can get what I need so that I
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  can get up out of here, you know what I'm saying. So in
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  a lot of ways like that, they're just holding me, you know what
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  I'm saying. Okay, so you said so in nineteen ninety nine, you
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  entered the the Correer the facility as a youth at seven, at the age
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  of seventeen. Yeah, at that time, at the time of your conviction,
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  you was your sentence was life without So now I guess your sentence has
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  been over turned. What's what's holding you there? Now? Why why haven't
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  they release you? Have you? Are you close to? Have did thirty
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  years? So I'm twenty five years then, and so at thirty years,
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  I'm just I'm gonna row eligible. But it's not for sure I would get
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  out because I still have life on it at the end of my sentence.
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  So the only way that I really can get out is for me to do
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  that programs that I'm talking about that I have to do what you call the
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  JAP program, and so pretty much if I don't do the JCAP program and
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  they they want to row me up saying that I'm a program comply Okay,
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  So the JCAP program, why yeah, we're is it only at certain facilities?
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  Yeah, yeah, it's only had three months, it's only a relink
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  and then they'll progress you to a lower level facility. And so it's have
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  three min and arrow heads. So why why can't they bring it to where
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  you at? So the thing what it is is that there there there's just
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  a certain rights. So the disacilities I'm at, it's just a trending facility.
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  And so a lot of the things that you have to do in that
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  program they just can't. It's just they just can't do it here. You
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  know, you have to be able to work un industry job. You have
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  to be able to progress to a lower level facility where like you're a minimum
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  where your custody is more low. What you can say, don't do here,
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  they boost your custody level up here. And so just a lot of
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  things that you have to do within the program, it's just not feasible.
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  Act the facility. So basically the facility that you're currently at d R d
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  C that's like a medical clinic. Yeah, yeah, it's exactly okay.
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  And so as long as you there, you won't be able to do the
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  JCAP. So have you went to your UH counselor or UH and asked them?
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  Can they provided online? Are you able to do it? Do the
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  program online? So that Uh, that's what me and my lawyer we were
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  we were talking to him about doing that. If they would do it,
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  it was wrong with me. And uh, they they're there. It's such
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  a news they they they don't know what they want to do. And so
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  in August when I put in, like I'm accepted, I'll find out how
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  they're going to go about it. You know, I'm I'm gonna have to
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  sue the state. I go do you know extra things? You know what
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  I mean? It just be still stuck in here fighting them. So I
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  think that I don't think they know what they're gonna do. So right basically
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  right now and they are not trying to give you put you in the in
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  the program? Is that what you and is that because of your medical condition?
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  Well what they denied me three years ago for they said because of my
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  behavior hadn't been what they wanted to be, not needed to be five years,
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  had only been four years report free at the time, so they didn't
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  let me in time. When I put in, I'll be seven years right
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  or free, so they won't have no reason to denine me. Now.
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  So now you know they're they're they're gonna have to do something with me.
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  Now. So what are are they offering you guys? Any type uh programs
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  as you defenders when you guys enter into the system, are there any programs
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  that they're offering there? No, no, no, no, no.
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  They are pretty much when you first come like that, all it is is
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  you work in the kitchen or or you can clean the product, you know
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  what I mean, it's nothing to do. When you have all that time
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  like that, they don't offer you nothing. So when they give you a
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  life sentence, it's basically they're you just sitting there twiddling your thumb. They're
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  not offering you. No, you just sitting there. Yeah, yeah,
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  you're just sitting there. You know. I was trying to do some schooling,
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  to do some certain things, and they told me that because of our
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  time that they didn't have to offer me those things. And so you know,
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  at that point, I just continue to doing what I had been doing
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  there on the streets. So you can you continue to be hard headed?
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  When did right? Yeah? Yes? So when when did you get in
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  your mind that you wanted to come home, that you wanted just to settle
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  your little spirit down and focus on getting didn't you know, getting out?
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  When? When when did you determine that? And in about twenty fifteen,
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  I was in I was in a I was in a Cspeople to just side
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  period finding twenty four twenty four hour lockdown. I was in there for while.
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  I was just in there. You know, I just started to change
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  my thinking process and just wanted something different, you know what I mean.
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  And I just you and I and I really just started to mature. You
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  know. I came in so young that it didn't it took me long,
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  h I mean, it took me a long time, and sure, yeah
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  to see certain things. You know, you know I didn't. I didn't
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  unders understand that until I was thirty two years old, you know what I
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  mean. So into down and fifteen that's when I really started change. And
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  you don't make a break police, Okay, So let me give you some
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  statistics. I had googled to see how much it costs to incarcerate a a
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  youth defender. And so they the statistics says, this is for Colorado that
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  they pay at least one hundred k per year per child and they can that's
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  what they paid to incarcerate it in order to and they only paid ten k
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  per year for public transportation for public education. Yah, that's crazy. So
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  they they rather they rather pay that amount of money to house uh a youth.
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  They put that in them then, you know, to get to give
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  life to them, to have programs out there for you know, to keep
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  them from going that way. Like when I was coming up, we had
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  summer jobs. What about Colorato as youth down? To do the youth have
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  summer like summer employment? Is it youth centers? You know? What's you
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  know basically what what was going on when when I when I was growing,
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  it wasn't much around you know what I'm saying. You know, the game
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  thing was really what was propping you know what I'm saying. But in the
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  neighborhood that I grew up in, it wasn't much around and trying to anybody
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  or anything trying to be put into the community to try to help it,
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  you know what I mean, to try get it out of those things.
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  They was, they was too busy putting the money into the and to the
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  prison system to house youth instead of putting it into the communities to keep the
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  youth out. You know. That's that's all it is. And you know,
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  I also did a little research that about uh, you know, I
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  know they took the life sentence away from they said they can't sentence the youth
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  as with life without but they're still giving you the the life sentence. But
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  also they have since nineteen ninety, juvenile offenders are known to has been executed
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  in seven countries. They've been China, the Dominic Dominic Republican, Iran,
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  Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Niggaraga and get us what. The United
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  States had also executed youth offenders. Yeah, I believe it. Yeah.
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  And you know, the States, we have two states. Since the death
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  penalty was reinstated in nineteen seventy six, twenty two, twenty two offenders youth
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  juvenile offenders have been executed in the state of in the United States for only
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  Texas, Virginia, Oklahoma has executed more than one juvenile. One juvenile,
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  one juvenile, them them forced them states had executed one juvenile is nineteen seventy
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  six. But you have Colorado putting the money into the prison system instead of
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  teaching, instead of putting the money into education, into after school programs and
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  stuff. Hey, this is yeah, you're gonna have to yes, call
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  me back if you want to keep talking to it. Called me back,
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  Yeah, right back, Okay, call me back. I'll be here,
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  all right, all right, Okay, this you know this, this is
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  this is unbelievable. I also did a little research in Colorado. Let me
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  pull that up for you. While he's calling me back, I can pull
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  it up for you. In Colorado, African Americans youth are seven zero point
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  three times more likely than white's you to be incarcerated. This is this,
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  You know the statistics. This is what they're saying. And we're gonna speak
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  up. Our kids are gonna be wrongfully incarcerated, but our grandchildren, our
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  great grandchildren are gonna be wrongly incarcerated. We got spending the money. It's
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  not that hard to google to see where your taxpayer money is going. In
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  Colorado, the taxpayer money is going to house the youth instead of funding education.
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  Start the conversation. Now only ten k is going to education and the
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  rest of the money is going to house them. So what are we going
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  to do as parents and grandparents? Are we just going to sit back and
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  and let this continuously happen? We have a mod is back with with me.
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  He's on dialysis three three times a week of mind. Yeah, yeah,
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  three times, three times a week, three times a week. They
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  already don't overturned it, under overturned his conviction and Lord, but they still
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  haven't took the life sentence off. They just took they just removed up.
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  You can't sentence them to life without the possibility, so you can just send
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  they can just be sentenced to life. But he also got to bring them
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  thirty years. He already been in twenty five. He had to come back
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  with thirty years in order to be eligible for parole. We have a we
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  have a question of amont and they want to know what about a special need
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  program through medical department or compassion relief program? Do you guys have Is that
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  over there? Yeah? So here from Here's the thing with me is that
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  you have to be fifty five or older to get it. And so whenever
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  they're looking at mine, they're not even looking at my medical situation. They're
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  looking at that I'm only forty two years old, and then they're just denying
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  me. Oh so it's just yeah, it's just it's it's a Baptist.
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  I can't, I can't, I can't win with it. So basically they
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  just they just want you to just just give up. Yep. Yeah,
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  so I meet all the criteria except the age in crimement. So what have
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  your have your lawyer said anything or you know, what's what's going on.
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  They can't make no exception with it. They can't. Well, they were
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  they may changes to how they were doing and such needs for grow, but
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  they have some lawyers come to see me and they said they pretty much told
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  me I might as when I get put in for specially throw. They said
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  any time that they look they get to my age, they said they're gonna
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  digne me. And they right, there's nothing that nobody can do about it
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  because because of your ad, because of your aid. Yeah. So I'm
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  really just in a situation where I have a different role. I have been
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  getting this program or other than that, I'm stressed, Okay, we have
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  another question up. Have your family reached out to the governor? Well,
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  I could put it in suplemency, but I mean that, like I said,
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  when I came in, I was getting in a lot of trouble,
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  so it would just be harder for me because of the things that I was
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  doing when I first came in to get that. But out here, your
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  family just can't reach out to the governor. You got to go through the
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  process for the tendency of the tendency process, so that so your family have
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  to go through a process just to get to the governor. Yeah, and
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  how they begin to how they have they begin the process to reach out to
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  the governor? Or do you have to start the process? I have to
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  start the process. And so I probably wasn't gonna do that after this summer
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  till I see what they do is j CAT program. So they still Okay,
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  so you're gonna wait till after the summer. Today you see what's gonna
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  gonna happen with the with the program JCAP program. Yeah, but how did
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  you answer that? Then? Don't know what my next movie be. Well,
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  you know, personally, I think you should you know, don't just
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  wait till the j cap to hear what's gonna go on. Still reach out,
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  start the process of reaching out to the governor. Just don't on it
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  because and talk about it, you know, because the Bible says faith without
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  worker is then and just keep doing it. You got the faith to work
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  on it. Just don't sit on it. Don't don't don't just sit there
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  just you know, don't don't do that. And I probably take that for
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  short. Yeah, you know, just don't shit, Just don't just don't
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  sit on it. Just you gotta stay active. You gotta start. You
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  see that how they the system is doing you because the system is not really
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  it's not fair when it comes to the black men. I've seen this statistics.
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  So you have to fight. You got to continuously fight. Don't just
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  sit up there and say, oh, I'm gonna just wait till this happened,
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  to see what this is gonna happen. Just go ahead and you push
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  the issue. You know, you got to. You know, like when
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  you was in there cutting up. You you got to cut up to get
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  your freedom. But in a positive way. You gotta turn you, you
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  know exactly. You you got to fight. You got to put the pen
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  to the to the paper. And that's how you're gonna use that. And
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  that's your voice until I will write them every day everyone, every day till
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  somebody hear me to They got to give you an answer. Yeah, so
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  we got another. Also we have a comment up. Your family can contact
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  the state representative to request special needs for help. Okay, so you know
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  I mean it's you got to get to your Okay, we have Cornell,
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  he's from Texas. He want to step there, Come on, Cornell.
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  Hold on that we got called the violation of juvenile while juvenile the sakay,
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  it's for the special needs program, the doctor to make the reprimentation to the
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  government, to the the role boards. While because he got some big for
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  the capital offense, that boy, you can have the replication program and stuff
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  right that because of this crime, they can read the age in his case.
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  We can get a lawyer to make a request for itself. But to
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  go to the departmentation the county one and what he thinks for him to let
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  him out, he can do that. Did you hear Did you hear that?
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  H Angela? Could you can you relate what he just said? Because
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  uh Ama couldn't hear what he said, so basically, he was saying that
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  if he go to his medical department there on the unit or wherever he's at,
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  he can request a what you call it program, a special needs program
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  through the health director right an immediate release because of your health condition. And
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  it's not based on your age. It's because of your health condition and what
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  your health condition is. And they have been and in a while back they
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  were I remember, I don't know if it was when Biden first got in
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  office, but they were releasing people that had that had medical conditions and and
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  things of that nature. Because my my godbrother was incarcerated and he came home.
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  So don't just wait for somebody to do something. You you're gonna have
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  to You're gonna have to get your family in live and get your family to
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  make in some noise. Because these people, all they want to do is
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  keep kicking the can down the road. That's how they want to do that.
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  All they want to do is just to keep seeing us black and brown
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  people behind those prison walls. That's the whole that's that's that's their job.
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  That's that's what these people set out to do. They make trillions of dollars
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  every single year out of this prison system. And it's all over the United
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  States, not just in the United States, because what's happening here in the
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  States is also happening over there across the waters too. It's happening in in
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  the Virgin Outlys, It's happening in different places, but it's happening to all
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  of us black and brown people. But until we say enough is enough,
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  and until we tell show these people that we're not having this and to our
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  families, get up off day behind and stand up and do something from the
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  outside, we can't keep allowing these to do what they're doing and keep saying
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  that it's okay and keep allowing it. You got these people, you got
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  these people in office. If they're not doing what they say they're gonna do,
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  and if they're doing everything that they said they was not gonna do,
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  then you need to get them out of office. They don't need You don't
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  need to keep allowing them and keep allowing them the city. They need to
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  get out of these these places. And if people that are look like us
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  cannot get in there and do what they supposed to do, then we need
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  to get them on up out of there too. Because everybody looks like us.
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  Don't mean that they are, because we have definitely seen that too,
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  exactly. But your family on the outside, they they can, they can
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  contact the governor. Yes they can. I have someone right now that she's
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  setting up a meeting. Her dad has been locked up for twenty six years.
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  A man is seventy years old, and she said she contacted me.
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  She's supposed to be on my podcast on April the third. She said that
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  she has a meeting with the district attorney and she has a meeting with the
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  governor. Yes, you can set up a meeting with the governor. You
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  can set up a meeting with all of them. You vote them in office,
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  and you have the right to meet with them. It's just just things
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  that you have to go through to get meetings with them. But you can
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  get meetings with them. That's what that that's their job. Their job is
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  to see that the citizens are taking care of. So if you got people
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  on the outside that's to speak up, you need to get them to speaking
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  up because they can speak up enough and you can be home, because that's
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  no reason why if you're having to take donces three times a week, there's
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  no reason why they shouldn't give you some relief exactly what's the difference. What's
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  the difference? Eight years? Eight eleven years gonna make? What difference that
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  made? What? What I mean? They age thirteen years? That's what
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  they say. You need to be fifty five five? You you you,
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  you said you said what how old are you? I think I said that
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  two forty okay, forty two years old? Yeah, don't don't. Don't
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  sit there and just twiddle your fingers or thumbs or and say that you're going
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  to do it. You got to act you you got to act on it,
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  and you got to want. You got to act like you want.
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  You can, I can I say something? Yes? Go ahead, Angela,
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  go ahead? There is go ahead a case. There's a case currently
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  in being reviewed. It is a juvenile is what is it? Cornell?
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  You said your main hits me. The doctors included the fact that the juvenile
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  not not sophisticated enough. That was sudden replemation that was not included within the
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  socification. Doctor. So right now he got on eleven a second, considering
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  the fact of even the office has agreed being needed released right because want to
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  be uncompetencial. So the all supernile here in the United States. Difficult too
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  with this case because this case and opened the doors from you to the wood.
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  So that's the player. Did you hear that? That's called allow.
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  So the case is called Jermaine eight Amendment violation. Uh, this Eighth Amendment
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  violation case. Jermaine Hiss. He's a juvenal, he was. What they
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  have determined is that a lot of those juvenile cases what they should not have
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  been certified as adults. They was not certifiable. They were not able to
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  stand trial as and adults and should not have been able to stand trials as
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  an adult. So they were able to get I think his his case back
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  into court or whatever. But this case is gonna be able to overturn a
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  lot of people case and get a lot of people back into court and be
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  able to give a lot of people an opportunity to get some some some some
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  release on their case because a lot of these juveniles, you know, a
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  lot of them, I know in the state of Texas, they want them
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  to serve at least forty years before they can get some type of relief,
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  you know, and that it is just a lot, It's just a lot.
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  But he just I just say, all juveniles, if you you are,
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  if you was convicted as a juvenile, if you have a juvenile sentence,
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  I just tell everybody to be watching that case. And it's Jermaine Hicks
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  case, and it's gonna be a national president case. Is it's gonna change
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  a lot of because I mean, it's been proven. You look at the
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  State of New York. It's been proven that you know, until you're twenty
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  one or twenty five, your frontal lobe has not fully developed, and you're
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  not you're not sophisticated enough to understand and consensualize exactly what's going on. And
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  that has been proven. So in the State of New York, they have
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  they they went and they I think it's called the four forty rule or whatever,
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  but they reverse a lot of those cases and they re redid their cases.
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  Right now. Pam my prior partner her her husband was sentenced as a
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  juvenile. He was nineteen when he went in. His case is right now
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  being reviewed and he might be coming home before this year's out, trust me.
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  So don't sit and be quiet, speak up, because that's what she
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  has done. She's been vigilant for the last three or four years. I've
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  watched her. I've watched her from the outside speak up and and and this
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  man has been locked up since he was nineteen years old. I think he
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  said, he's forty five. Now, he's not had nobody to go to
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  back for him. She went to bat for him, and look what's happening.
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  So and I mean, you got to you got to let your family
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  know. You know, family, he just watching it. If you guys
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  have family, men, women that's in especially ju he's not in Texas.
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  If you guys have yeah, if you guys have family that's incarcerated. So
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  I got a question. I have a question for him because from my understanding,
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  they have destroyed a lot of juvenile records around the US, not just
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  in the state of Texas, in the state of California and in these southern
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  states, but they have destroyed juvenile records around around the United States. So
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  my advice to him too is to request your juvenile records and if they can't
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  produce your juvenile records, and that's another way you can get back into court,
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  because they got to be able to produce those records. If they cannot
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  produce your records, that's another way you can get back into court. That's
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  how Jermaine Hicks got back into court. They doing everything, and these people
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  in Texas are fighting, and they fighting every way they can. They man
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  they everything that they can possibly try. They are trying every loophole that they
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  can find. Every mess up that these people don't made in the judicial system,
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  they are finding it and they are trying to apply to their situation.
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  And that's what y'all need to do too. These people can't keep they can't
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  keeping everybody saying the same thing. And if everybody coming at you with similar
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  stories and similar similar patterns, then there's got to be a problem with the
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  system and somebody need to look together. Can't keep kicking the can down the
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  road. Right, Well, you need to just platform to speak. You're
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  You're welcome anytime you want to speak, come back. But you remember,
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  you gotta speak for yourself. Put that pen to the paper. Put that
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  pen to the paper, and you start sending out their letters and you talk
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  to your family. If they need someone to talk to, they can give
• 36:52
  them my number and I'll talk to them and we can work together, all
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  right, you know, than have a good night, you too, be
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  blessed, all right? All right? Well, the caller, hang on,
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  we heard a juvenile and he's not the only juvenile that's in the system.
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  You guys, look at Jamaine Hicks. Angelus told us put us up
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  on Jermaine Hicks case a juvenile. What state is he out of? Angela?
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  He's out of state of Texas, the state of Texas. Google jamain
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  Ain Hicks, Barrett County, Texas. So I just would like to just
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  thank you guys for joining tonight for a bonus show. I will be back
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  again, I believe on Saturday for another bonus show, and that one we
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  would talk to Cornell from the state of Texas. We're going back to Texas
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  to see what's going on over there. And like I wanted to say,
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  if you have youth that's incarcerated or men that went as youth, please don't
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  turn your backs on them. Everybody is redeemable. I don't know what may
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  happen in their situation some or what went on in your family, but we
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  got to stay stick together. As as black you know, I see it
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  like we're the only ethnic group that really don't stick together. We got to
• 38:44
  come together. We have to come together. We have to make sure our
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  kids are our young women, our young men are well taken care of and
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  that they have some one that's beak up for Look what our ancestors did for
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  us, and you tell me we can't do the same thing for ours.
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  Yeah. See my dog. If she's as she agreeing with me, she's
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  mad too, just as much as I'm mad. I really appreciate you guys.
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  Please check on your men and women that's in these prisons because you don't
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  know what's happening to them. Thank you for tuning in. I will see
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  you guys back here on Saturday at the same time. I love you guys,
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  and have a blessed evening. All things where all the blue sky's from
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  the look, and some things well. Percy