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- 0:02There it is. You're Deus and Koop Memdalid
- 0:08alaka of today, the main of Boris Kohavin madinam tu sifen
- 0:13sif alib demiha demiha olio biyad Yisrael shimakra asuran.
- 0:19If a yid has a Rahman al son as an elul in his possession and he
- 0:25sells that elul, he sells that idol.
- 0:29So the money that he returned that he gets in return for
- 0:31selling it, that money is user the Shah points out this is from
- 0:36the Aloha that says harem kamahu which is a gazero sakasu that
- 0:40says that the the money that was created from selling the the the
- 0:45idols is considered user bahana just like the idol itself.
- 0:49It's Kamahu Avao says the chauffonarev onwards Avao imacra
- 0:54obeyed Kochabin Afilu mantra Hedela Alda had done him
- 1:00mutarim. If a guy has possession of an
- 1:04elbow of an idol and he sells it, this the the money that he
- 1:08gets in return, that money is mutter to use meaning because
- 1:12there's a customer that says that money that is the return
- 1:16for the idol is aser the lush and of again the of the
- 1:19shukunara of the of the play scheme is here in Kamu that
- 1:22halaka applies only by only by idols that is in the possession
- 1:26of a year idols that are in the possession of a guy.
- 1:29So that Halaka doesn't apply even if the fiddish is even if
- 1:33the guy sold that idol not with the purpose for the person
- 1:37buying it to worship it. He knew that he says, I have a
- 1:39wonderful idol in my possession. It's great for worshipping.
- 1:42And he goes to his friend Christopher and he says, would
- 1:45you like to buy my idol for me in order for you to worship it.
- 1:48Even then, the money that he uses is motor.
- 1:50As an aside, had a fin ulcer, it would have created a lot of
- 1:53problems for us because you never know money that you got
- 1:56from the gallium. You don't know which money is
- 1:58considered money that he sold for idols.
- 2:00But in fact, it's motor. So it's it's not a problem.
- 2:03The doctor shahadavariya dua shamakhra of alimenio deya yadua
- 2:13yeh lahu shaman makhra liknos bidamera El Lilium akharim vahu
- 2:17hamos the hariya mos muksim the Lilium the asurim.
- 2:21Shamar points out that this is mostly true but there is a
- 2:25scenario that the money is asur and that scenario is if the guy
- 2:29sold the idol and in his mind he says well what are you gonna do
- 2:32with your money? I I just got $100.
- 2:34The guy says what are you gonna do with the money that he got
- 2:36from the idol? So if the guy says I plan to
- 2:39buy, you know, buy a new car with the money.
- 2:42So then everything is mutter. But if he says I'm buying, I'm
- 2:46trying to upgrade my idols and until now I had a small idol and
- 2:49now I want to get one and get a bigger 1.
- 2:51So then in economy the money becomes user.
- 2:53But the Schopler explains this has nothing to do with the luck
- 2:57we began with. The luck we began with is a that
- 3:00the that the money that comes in exchange for an idol is user.
- 3:04And that is true only by Yid. That will never apply by a guy.
- 3:07When a guy sells an idol and he's thinking, I want to use the
- 3:10money in order to in order to buy another idol, it's true the
- 3:15money becomes user, but not because it's an exchange for the
- 3:18original idol. It has to do with the
- 3:20designation of the of the of the new money.
- 3:22So it's common that he designates the money for the
- 3:24purpose of buying an idol. That's why it's user.
- 3:27And in fact, that would be true by selling anything.
- 3:30If a guy owns anything, he owns a table and he wants to sell a
- 3:33table to anybody, even to a YID. He sells a table and he says,
- 3:36I'm going to use the money in order to buy myself an idol.
- 3:40So then also the money's user. The point being is that the iser
- 3:44in this in this safe with the chauffeur is not related to the
- 3:46exchange of the of the idol, which is how he began to love.
- 3:50It's rather because of designation of the money that he
- 3:52receives. And that has nothing to do with
- 3:54idols. But the chauffeur points it out.
- 3:55As an aside, the post can point out that we have a steel room.
- 3:59In the case that you don't know what the guy plans on doing with
- 4:03the money. What is that Lafa?
- 4:05Are you allowed to use the money or not?
- 4:06Meaning if you know the guy plans on using the money for a
- 4:09Dover shall hector behind him, he wants to buy himself a dining
- 4:12room table. That would be mutter.
- 4:14If you know the fact that the guy wants to buy himself an
- 4:18idol, then for sure the money that that money is auster to
- 4:21use. I mean, obviously if you plan to
- 4:23buy an idol, in most cases you won't get that money.
- 4:25But in the case that you know they designated and then you
- 4:27grab the money, then it's auster.
- 4:29But in a case that you don't know what he plans on doing with
- 4:31the money, that is unclear. They point that as a summit of
- 4:35Astira in this in this halacha, it sounds like the Mahaber is
- 4:38Mahmir and earlier see Ethan, it sounds like the Mahaber is Mako.
- 4:43Perhaps the difference is depends on what he's selling.
- 4:45If he's selling an idol, even though we said there's no Easter
- 4:49on the money from the perspective of exchange of the
- 4:52of it, but meets sad that perhaps he's going to use that
- 4:55money to buy an idol. From that angle, it's ulcer and
- 4:57it makes sense. Meaning if a guy is going to
- 4:59sell an idol, so what's he going to do with the money is a good
- 5:02chance he plans to buy a new idol.
- 5:04He's trying to he's trying to upgrade his idols.
- 5:05That's a good chance. So the economy, you don't know
- 5:07what he's doing with his money. Therefore it's ulcer.
- 5:09But in other in other in other scenarios we're discussing where
- 5:12a guy is might be selling anything.
- 5:14And in that case, in a phenomi, the money is moved there because
- 5:16you don't know as a fact he's selling it for for the purpose
- 5:19of buying an idol. There's no reason to assume that
- 5:21he should be doing that. Yeesh omen, yeesh, sit face
- 5:26yeesh omen. Even beyond yezrel Yaya nessa
- 5:30Feldman Rachmanlas son a yet is holding in a possession of voy
- 5:34desira. He has Yenessa Mamachaya Nessa
- 5:37or he has some kind of idols who mukhram the obit Khoben Behalfa,
- 5:43he sells it the Hakkafa, he sells it on credit.
- 5:46So he sells the he gives the idol to the guy.
- 5:49He says to the guy, and this is a precious idol.
- 5:53He tells the guy $1000 idol, you don't have to pay me today.
- 5:55You can pay me, you know, in a month from now, it's fine.
- 5:59Some say in that scenario where he sells the idol by Hakkafa U
- 6:02Makram Hovika call them quote them shippra shippari lazare
- 6:08Israel had done him utare him. Some say that in that case, if
- 6:12the guy buys it back up and prior to being able to sell to
- 6:16buy to pay back the yid, he ends up selling it to somebody else
- 6:21to hide at the time that he gives the money to the the idol
- 6:25is no longer in his possession. That's the ichir point here.
- 6:27Some say in that scenario, the money is mutter and the the
- 6:31rationale being that the at that that we don't view the money as
- 6:35an exchange for the idol because they even though he paid for an
- 6:38idol. True, but it but there's a
- 6:40special loss of Karen Camo, which means the money is being
- 6:42used in as a direct exchange for the idol that we don't have over
- 6:46here because of the fact that the time we give the money, the
- 6:48idol was no longer there. That's Yash Omarim and not
- 6:51everybody holds that way. The the the post can get in over
- 6:55here. The Shah and the and the Thais
- 6:57get into very important discussion about are we this is
- 7:00the iser in this Simon. Is that an iser or the sift
- 7:04base? That is, is that only for the
- 7:06the person who sold it or for everybody else?
- 7:09The the Mashmos truth is that for everybody's everybody, it's
- 7:12Aser, but they point out that from the other people shining
- 7:14them. There are cases that it's mutter
- 7:15for the people, but we're not going to delve into that right
- 7:18now. We're going to start the next
- 7:20Simon Simon kuf mem Hey ASA E lilum so OPD hamutarim behind
- 7:25Nah, we're now going to learn that idol worshippers are
- 7:29worshiped, worshiped objects that are mutter behind a great
- 7:33sugar pursuit question. How do you have a case where
- 7:35something is worshipped Mamasheva de Zara?
- 7:38But it's mutter very simple. There are many, many cases like
- 7:41that. It says the Shofanara kolsh
- 7:43aimbo feces yad Adam below a so Adam basically a naturally made
- 7:50object, a mountain. Other things.
- 7:53Alpha Pisha never ha raise a mutter behind Nah.
- 7:56So anything that is not man made, anything that is
- 7:59completely naturally made is mutter by Nah.
- 8:01And that is the principle of this Halafa.
- 8:04The Mahabir gives examples based on the mishnias Lafika ha
- 8:08mistacha de lahar, somebody who bows down to a mountain, Lo
- 8:12nesser, the mountain is not usser.
- 8:14So maybe you would have thought that there are certain mountains
- 8:17in the world that the Guyan they, they worship this
- 8:19mountain. It's such an amazing mountain.
- 8:21They say it's who knows who's buried there.
- 8:24You never have to worry. You can go hiking anywhere in
- 8:26the world you want and you don't have to worry.
- 8:28Maybe a guy bowed down to this mountain.
- 8:30Good to know that Filu Avnihar Shenidal Dulu, the Dian Hain,
- 8:35the Mccommon, the AB Damsham ain't no Nessarum.
- 8:38The macabre says even if you have her stone in the mountain,
- 8:41that was Nidal del It was a bit dislodged from the mountain.
- 8:44So it's not fully mahubar. And here's the point of view
- 8:48that it's that it's that the the main point of this a lot that
- 8:51the post can explain is that needs to be mahubar.
- 8:53Things that are mahubar are mutabar now, but now it's semi
- 8:57mahubar. It's already dislodged.
- 9:00Still, it's it's Mutter. The post can point out that that
- 9:04particular discussion that's so simple because this is actually
- 9:07a discussion in the Gemara itself about an Evan that was
- 9:10ably harshly Daudel that it was dislodged.
- 9:13And the Gemara discusses is an ushers of Mutter and the Gemara
- 9:16is Anna Mahlogis Ambarian and there's Mahlogis Speaking of the
- 9:19Oakland and the Gemara is actually unsure who said what.
- 9:23And therefore that's why many posts give are Mahmir, but some
- 9:26are Mako, some are plays schemer Mako.
- 9:28The fact is the Gemara was unsure and we're Mako.
- 9:31Why are you Mako? Ashak has a very fascinating
- 9:33explanation. He says that the reason why
- 9:36we're Mako, at least the Ramba was Mako.
- 9:38He says because the Gemara was unsure who was aspiring and whom
- 9:41after it was it Christia? Or is it?
- 9:44And he says the Babli didn't know, but he says if you look in
- 9:47your Xiaomi, the Xiaomi did know and the Xiaomi knew that Ribio
- 9:50Khanan was Mahmir. And he says it was obvious to us
- 9:53we're supposed to get not we're not supposed to pass.
- 9:56But the Bobby didn't know what Yukan said.
- 9:58But the Ushami didn't know what Yukan said and says the says the
- 10:01Shah and who wrote the Ushami Revealkan himself.
- 10:04So if Yukan wrote the Ushami, he must know what Yukan said he
- 10:07says. So therefore we can we can we
- 10:08can learn from the Ushami what is Rashid Yukan And that time
- 10:11the Bobby didn't know what Yukan says, but Ushami did.
- 10:14We can pass him to Little Hulk. That's what the Shah says.
- 10:17A very interesting hara because it's always a question, a
- 10:20general question when we're learning that.
- 10:22Was the Bobby aware of the Ushami?
- 10:24The Bobby was was put together 150 years after the Ushomi.
- 10:27Presumably the Bible knew everything in Ushomi.
- 10:29But it's interesting the Shah assumes that it's possible for
- 10:32something to occur in the Bible to not be aware of what's
- 10:36happening in the Ushomi. Good sugar to a question.
- 10:38Test your friends on that one or impress them for if they don't
- 10:41already know it. Onwards in the show Feena Nairas
- 10:44Vamaya know you should rob him. Further examples of things that
- 10:47cannot become ulcer are rivers and streams shall rob him.
- 10:51The macabre says Dafa of Robin. Now that's a misleading,
- 10:55misleading qualification because in fact, even rivers or streams
- 11:00that are owned by individuals is also mutter and the post can
- 11:03explain for technical reasons the Mahabir threw in the words
- 11:07Robin. But in fact, do not be confused.
- 11:09Any stream or river is Mutter. But I know even though you know
- 11:13that it was bowed down, even if they believe that the people
- 11:16that walked on that river and therefore the river is also
- 11:18because they want to worship the waters of that river, they will
- 11:20become Mutter and therefore Venus Mana.
- 11:23You could definitely wrap down the Jordan River, but leave
- 11:25QuickBooks, the ilanas, Shalom itan leshane, alilin, anam,
- 11:30nesarim. So trees that were not planted
- 11:35for the purpose of worshipping. This is already referencing
- 11:38Ashayla. The definition of ashayla tree
- 11:40is a tree that was planted for the purpose of worshipping.
- 11:43But now we're discussing the tree that was not planted for
- 11:45worshipping any normal tree. You go outside, the trees
- 11:48everywhere, what happens? Somebody bows down to the tree,
- 11:51they get all excited, they bow down to the tree.
- 11:53The tree is not usser. The only way for a tree to
- 11:56become usser is if you planted it, the shame worshipping.
- 12:00And by the way, once the person planted it, the shame
- 12:03worshipping the tree becomes usser.
- 12:06Even if it wasn't worship. Here we're discussing that even
- 12:09though it was worship, it's mother.
- 12:10When we come a calm ABBA bisholo nessar kufa Elon Commission
- 12:14acabelo kola srigen via allem via payers shiyotzi.
- 12:20You never assume you are not very interesting a lot and it
- 12:23says space as follows that if I have a tree and a guy bounce
- 12:26down to the tree, we said the trees mutter.
- 12:29Not only is the tree mutter, everything on the trees mutter.
- 12:31There are there are delicious fruits in the tree, apples on
- 12:34the tree and there are beautiful flowers coming out, whatever it
- 12:37is. And all these things are mutter
- 12:39Gomer. However, the new apples that
- 12:43will grow tomorrow, those apples are user.
- 12:46We don't have time to explain why that is, but the but that's
- 12:49what the Halafa says, because at the time that he worshipped it,
- 12:51they were not Mukuba. But the new things can in fact
- 12:54become us. A very interesting Alafa sit
- 12:56base the dollar she in both pieces.
- 13:00He they are them She never other people.
- 13:03She'll never ask more motor Bano Sipuya, the coatings around it
- 13:09become user very interesting. Alaska.
- 13:11If you take a tree and you gold plate the tree and now you
- 13:15worship the tree said wow, this is an amazing tree.
- 13:18The guy this guy is in in whatever he is.
- 13:21So we said the tree is mutter, but now that sepoy is usser.
- 13:25So if you were to scrape that gold off the tree and you sold
- 13:29in the market that the gold is in fact us or beyond, not Misham
- 13:34Shehar. Now they could see Puya of
- 13:36another similar example is called Mashamshay.
- 13:38So if you have things that are on the mountain that are being
- 13:41the Shamash, the mountain Mashamash, you're a boat.
- 13:44The guy has a boat, Azar mountain.
- 13:45They build a city. They they this is the and they
- 13:48they say this isn't going to serve it like I don't.
- 13:50They can have stairs climbing up the mountain because that are
- 13:53movable stairs. You're trying to or a ladder.
- 13:55Maybe that's a good example. They put up a ladder by the
- 13:57mountain to help climb the mountain.
- 13:59Maybe that would be considered Mashamsha boat Azara and that in
- 14:02fact would become Usser just like it's Sequim.
- 14:05So this is an in thought we have to think about the very
- 14:08interesting although the tree is not usser and the object is not
- 14:11Usser, the mountain is not usser because it is Mukhubar.
- 14:15The things that are attached to it, whether they're mamish
- 14:18attached like Sequim or they're being Mashamishim, which is
- 14:21Mashamshabodizara, those things are nikhla in the ISSR Avao
- 14:26Kakrovizhar ain't no NASA. But tacrobes are a person who
- 14:30worship is worships to the mountain.
- 14:33So they say, wow, this mountain is so amazing, I'm going to
- 14:36worship my blank to it. And the guy brings his I don't
- 14:39know what, and they bring it to mountain and they bring it to
- 14:42sacrifices or other types of tacrobes for the mountain.
- 14:46So that is mutter. It sounds very backwards at
- 14:48first glance, right. If it sounds like we we took the
- 14:51ICAR and turned to the TOEFL. The mountain itself is Mulder
- 14:54Gomwer. The Takraevis is also mutter.
- 14:57The things that we're worshipping.
- 14:58That's mutter. But these these subsidiary
- 15:00aspects that I know that Sipuyum, the coding or the
- 15:03Mashamsha is mutter, but that's what the Locha states.
- 15:06And we don't have enough time to explain the the root behind
- 15:10that. Aloka, let's go to Siv Gamo by
- 15:13Ishibano Mithila. She had Baez Osmo Nevad
- 15:19bundling. Or is it a house can become a
- 15:24two ways. The first way is it was built to
- 15:28worship. Now I have to be clear, a house
- 15:31built be worship means you're worship.
- 15:32The guy is worshiping the house. My Shankin.
- 15:34If they build a building, a regular building, let's say any
- 15:38building, a church, whatever it is that usually in most cases of
- 15:43voter Zara. I'm not an expert in the ways of
- 15:45the world of a voter Zara, but my understanding is usually a
- 15:49bias itself is not. Never.
- 15:51Usually they build a bias as a place to worship so that they
- 15:54can do their things inside the house, but the house itself is
- 15:57not usually worshipped. But if and therefore usually the
- 16:00house will learn more in a second about ways houses can
- 16:03become us or even when they're not being worshipped.
- 16:05But now we're discussing worshipping the house itself.
- 16:08They view the house as a as some kind of who knows what of a God.
- 16:11So if you build it, if the guy builds it with shame of Odezara,
- 16:16the building that becomes us. Or similar to what we learned by
- 16:18Ashera, if he plants it with shame of Odezara, it becomes us.
- 16:22Or even though they didn't actually worship it, Alec Bays
- 16:26here. The house is different than a
- 16:28tree. If the house is already built
- 16:30and you go to the house and say this is an amazing house and
- 16:32everyone starts bowing down to the house and worshipping the
- 16:34house. So then the house becomes a
- 16:37house. The pain.
- 16:38The main point is the house is not considered a dovor mahubar.
- 16:41It looks like it's attached to, but it's not naturally attached.
- 16:45It's it's man made attached. So man made attached.
- 16:47That's called polos. The apricot Mahubar, that is not
- 16:51considered Mahubar and that is Mutter Baha Nah, if it was
- 16:54worshipped by abundantly the side of a Kaido, the shame of
- 16:58Leland. Actually it was built, but they
- 17:03say we want to start worshipping the house.
- 17:05We're not ready to worship it yet.
- 17:06It's not a good state. We're going to fix it up.
- 17:09OK, so we're going to fix it up and shame I leave them.
- 17:11Nobody worship it yet. Not until guys, they would make
- 17:14a statement. Nobody is allowed to worship
- 17:16this house until we make it really beautiful.
- 17:18And they start making it beautiful.
- 17:20And they said, what are we going to do?
- 17:21We're going to put a gold plat plate on the on the outside of
- 17:24the house and they get this gold and they start smearing it on
- 17:27the House and this beautiful looking.
- 17:29They said this is now nobody worshipped it yet.
- 17:31But since here's a critical point, since they put the gold
- 17:35down for the purpose of Abodezara, so that's why the
- 17:39gold now becomes user behind Nah, but the house does not
- 17:42because the house itself is not made.
- 17:44The shame, the shame Abodezara. Therefore it's not user.
- 17:46But do not be confused. The moment they start
- 17:49worshipping it, everything becomes user.
- 17:51A house that is worshipped is user.
- 17:53But we're discussing a house that is created.
- 17:55So the finish here is a double kinch, even though all they're
- 17:59doing is they're building the outside of the house like like
- 18:02putting the plaster on the outside after the plaster
- 18:05becomes ulcer, but the thing that was already built does not
- 18:07become ulcer when we're discussing making it the shame
- 18:10of a Rizzara. So I abundant the signs of a
- 18:13Kaido, the shame of deal and actually Kadesh, no too much a
- 18:17Fidesh, but he does ulcer in this case.
- 18:20They say, Oh my goodness, I can't believe the gallium just
- 18:22did this to my house. So you do it is all you do is
- 18:25remove the plaster. The plaster itself is ulcer
- 18:28because it was made the shame of odezara.
- 18:30But the rest of the house remains mutter and the shara
- 18:33bias. Mutter.
- 18:36Yeah, OK. But they should also love the
- 18:38shara bias. Mutter hit this allele in the
- 18:40sofa bias. Now we're now we're going into
- 18:42more a regular case of odezara. You have a church, whatever it
- 18:46is. So you have a have a building
- 18:49and they bring the idols into the building.
- 18:51Once the idols come to the building, the building becomes
- 18:54us or beyond. Not it is now a House of worship
- 18:56that even though they're not worshipping the house, but the
- 18:59house is a place to worship, meaning there's idols in the
- 19:02house. So then the house becomes us or
- 19:04beyond. Almost sounds like, you know,
- 19:06like too much space, you know, not exactly, but the the Mason
- 19:09side now there's tumor all over the house.
- 19:11So too, when you bring the in the house, the whole house
- 19:14becomes user. So Hitness Leela himself a bias
- 19:18calls Manchu sham a bias, Azurbanov hocia hooter a bias.
- 19:22The the idols are removed, the house becomes motor the DAV
- 19:25kushala huxa bias leka Abou leka ain't a mutter ellinkinot sioumi
- 19:31sham Derek bitto the heiner schlovakis oied sham Ubisrell
- 19:36the mahadi bitto kadila L. So the Haber explains that we
- 19:40have to be very, we have to differentiate between two types
- 19:43of cases. You have a temporary votes, our
- 19:45house and a permanent 1. So you have the gallium.
- 19:48They're traveling somewhere and they stop off and they need to
- 19:50make, you know, they're, they're stopping off at some town and
- 19:54they said, we have, we need a place for votes.
- 19:55Our they said, oh, we'll go to that house over there.
- 19:57So they go to the house, everybody brings their idols in,
- 19:59they do their worshipping and they leave.
- 20:01So that's a Derek Harai. So says the Rama.
- 20:04So in that case by removing the idols, if it works Masha Anking
- 20:08says the Rama Masha Anking if they if somebody designates the
- 20:12house, which is the more usual typical.
- 20:14Any neighborhood always has houses, so at common they
- 20:18designated a house for a place of worship.
- 20:22So now everything changes. So once they designate the house
- 20:25then it becomes user and it's not enough to remove the idols.
- 20:29It says that Rama has to be removed in a way that they that
- 20:33they that that that they show they never want to use it again.
- 20:36So they basically remove everything maybe they put up on
- 20:38the market, I don't know what, but they do something to show
- 20:41that you don't want to ever use it again.
- 20:43Then the bid will work. But by merely removing the idols
- 20:46in itself doesn't work because the house has already been
- 20:48designated for 1/2 place of worship and therefore the only
- 20:51way to remove it is by removing it in a way they show you don't
- 20:53want to ever use it again. But we know if the house was
- 20:57unfortunately worshipped by by Giden and this was a church
- 20:59owned by Giden, so then unfortunately the house becomes
- 21:02user forever. Bittel doesn't work.
- 21:05There's no way to battle such a thing.
- 21:06Have a wonderful day.