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Investigators Uncover "Unimaginable" 10,000 Bone Fragments in Businessman's Backyard · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the deep dive. Today, we're opening a source
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file that really digs into the collapse of this perfect
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American dream image right in the Midwest. We're heading to Westfield, Indiana,
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to a place called Fox Hollow Farm.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's crucial to start there with the contrast.
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I mean, on the surface, Fox Holo Farm was, well,
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it looked like the absolute pinnacle of success. You've got
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eighteen acres, this huge, like nine hundred thousand dollars tutor
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mansion they bought back in eighty eight, manicured lawns, pool,
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tennis courts, the works, and dense woods all around in
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total privacy. You know, looked like the perfect picture affluent
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family life. But what was hidden there, exactly what was
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hidden beneath that really really polished veneer, Well, it redefined
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calculated horror. It's hard to even.
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Speaker 1: Describe that contrast, that jarring difference. It's really the heart
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of this whole thing, isn't it. Our sources lay out
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this meticulous, terrifying double life of Herb Baummeister. You know,
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successful guy, charming businessman, seemed like a real pillar of
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the community. But he kept up this flawless public image
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while carrying out these just unspeakable acts and secret.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so our mission today it's kind of twofold. First,
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how does a predator operating with that level of you know, sophistication,
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how does he avoid being caught for so long? And second,
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the investigation itself, the sheer scale of the forensic work needed.
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Once that facade finally finally cracked, it was unprecedented.
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Speaker 1: And the way it cracked, you know, it wasn't some
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brilliant detective work. Initially it was pure chance, almost mundane
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actually really how so well, it all kicked off in
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the summer of ninety six, hot Indiana summer. Herb Baumeister's
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youngest son, Zach Hughes, fifteen, just you know, exploring the
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property like teenagers do the wilder parts. Okay, he was
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digging around in the woods back behind the poolhouse, maybe
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trying to build a ford or just messing about.
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Speaker 2: And instead of finding ou don't know, old bottles or something, you.
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Speaker 1: Find something half buried, something horrible, human skull weathered partial
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just there in the dirt.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, a fifteen year old kid exactly.
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Speaker 1: And the moment he showed that skull to his mom, Julie, Well,
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that was it. The clock started ticking down on this
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absolute nightmare they were literally living on top of. I
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just can't imagine that moment, that dawning realization for her
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and then for the authorities when they started looking based
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on that.
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Speaker 2: One skull, right, they knew almost instantly this wasn't some
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old burial or isolated thing. No, the sources they paint
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this incredibly grim picture. Very quickly they realized there were thousands,
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thousands of human bone fragments scattered everywhere, scattered, scattered across
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the grounds, intentionally dispersed. The description that sticks is just chilling,
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macabre confetti, like it was just littering the property.
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Speaker 1: Macabre confetti. Wow, that implies such calculations, such disregard.
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Speaker 2: It really does, because it wasn't a grave. It was
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a disposal site, a crime scene where the remains were
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deliberately you know, shattered overies, spread out to make identification impossible,
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and the scale unbelievable. Forensic teams worked for months, months,
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in really brutal conditions, and eventually they cataloged officially over
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ten thousand bone fragments covered from the backyard, the woods
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under the deck, even tangled up at the Pool's filter system.
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Speaker 1: Five hundred and sixty three I think was the final number,
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linked to multiple.
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Speaker 2: People, that's the figure. Yeah, just staggering.
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Speaker 1: So today we're going to look at well, the sophistication
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of this killer, his methods, the vulnerable community he targeted
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in Indianapolis, and then critically the sheer scale and the
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technical challenge of that forensic excavation. It was immense trying
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to bring some kind of closure.
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Speaker 2: He was basically a graveyard, wasn't it, just meticulously disguised
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as this wealthy, perfect paradise exactly.
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Speaker 1: So let's start with the man himself, the architect of
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it all, Herb Baumeister. When you look at the sources
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about his public life, it's well, it's almost impossible to
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reconcile with the reality, is it really is?
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Speaker 2: He played the part so well, that was his shield.
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So mid nineties, Balmeiz's forty nine years old. He's the
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founder of the owner of thrift Town.
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Speaker 1: Right, the secondhand stores.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the pretty successful chain he'd started back in the
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early eighties, and that business, that success gave him the money,
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the serious money needed for a place like fox Hall
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of Farm. He used that wealth and frankly a lot
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of charm to build this like unshakable public persona.
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Speaker 1: And it wasn't just business success he craved, right, He
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had other ambitions.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he wasn't just rich. He wanted, it seems,
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validation control through civic life too. He and his wife, Julie,
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their three kids. They look like the absolute model family.
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He was active in local Republican politics. He even ran
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for Indiana governor back in eighty four, unsuccessfully, but still
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pretty high profile.
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Speaker 1: That political ambition, It's fascinating, isn't it, given what he
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was hiding.
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Speaker 2: It really is. Why would someone with such dark, violent
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secrets want that kind of public spotlight, you know, fe
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into that whole narcissistic need for approval maybe and the
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thrill of getting away with it right under everyone's nose.
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Speaker 1: The ultimate insider totally.
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Speaker 2: He wanted to be seen as this upstanding family man,
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this authority figure. And to people who knew him casually, neighbors,
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business contacts, they described him as, you know, friendly, witty,
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great host. He threw these lavish parties at the farm.
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Speaker 1: Mmmmm.
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Speaker 2: The quote that really stands out from one source, a
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former associate, was that Balmeister was the guy you'd wanted
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your barbecue, always joking, gracious, and this is key, always
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in control.
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Speaker 1: That phrase always in control just sends shivers down your spine,
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knowing what we know now. But the sources also show
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pretty quickly that there were cracks in this image, even
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early on red flags that maybe got dismissed as just eccentricity.
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Speaker 2: Definitely there were signs the deviants that seemed started young.
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Balmeister was born in Indianapolis nineteen forty seven, stable enough,
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middle class background apparently, but he got caught shoplifting when
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he was just thirteen. Okay, fairly, but then it escalated.
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By his late teens, the behaviors got really bizarre, compulsive.
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Even the sources mentioned these weird sleepwalking episodes where you'd
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apparently go out and deliberately urinate on family member's lawns.
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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, that's not just teenage rebellion.
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Speaker 2: Not just quirks. These feel like early signs. Is something deeper,
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some kind of psychological issue, right, And he'd violate boundaries,
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maybe a disconnect from normal behavior.
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Speaker 1: And as he got older, did those behaviors just change
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become more hidden?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, seems like they just got more sophisticated, better, hidden. Julie,
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his wife, She later told investigators about some of his
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adult eccentricities, things that probably seemed harmless at the time,
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like what well. She mentioned his intense, almost obsessive interest
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in historical reenactments, which you know, could be seen as
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just a hobby and outlet for costumes and role playing. Right,
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But maybe the most disturbing detail looking back was this
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weird habit he had, digging random, deep holes all over
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the yard, just digging.
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Speaker 1: Oh god, knowing what they eventually found.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, Julie apparently just wrote it off as some strange fixation,
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maybe related to gardening, who knows. She never guessed these
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holes were well connected to something truly violent, a compulsion.
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Speaker 1: The image of him just digging random holes, knowing the
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yard held over ten thousand bone fragments, it's profoundly chilling.
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Speaker 2: It really is. These surface things, the quirks, they were
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just the tip of the iceberg, weren't they. Yeah, what
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Julie didn't know, couldn't have known, was that herb had
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this whole other secret life driven by some specific mental
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health issues.
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Speaker 1: Right. The sources point towards something specific.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the term that comes up is paraphilic. Disorders. Basically
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for anyone listening, that means having intense, persistent, often recurring
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sexual urges, fantasies, or behaviors that are well atypical and
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in Baumeiser's case, incredibly dangerous and violence. Oka and his wealth,
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the isolation of Fox Hollow Farm, that huge house, the
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deep woods, the private pool, it all just provided the
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perfect controlled stage for these hidden pulsions to just escalate
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into violence, into dominance.
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Speaker 1: So the very symbols of his success, the privacy and
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the affluence, they weren't just for comfort. They were tools,
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tools to build a stage for his darkest needs. The
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seclusion was key to his control.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely key. And it's essential to understand where he found
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his victims, the hunting ground, because the horror out there
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in the quiet suburbs at Fox Hall of Farm, it
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was directly linked to well, a real vulnerability in the
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city downtown Indianapolis, especially around nineteen ninety three to nineteen
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ninety four. That's when the disappearances really started piling up.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the area around Massachusetts Avenue, right, which
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back then in the nineties was kind of the hub
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for the city's LGBTQ plus community. Bars like brothers, the varsity.
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Speaker 2: Exactly places where people want to connect to socialize. Yeah,
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and that community unfortunately became his target zone.
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Speaker 1: He had a type, a specific profile he looked for.
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Speaker 2: It seems so. Yeah. He deliberately targeted young gay men,
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often guys who were maybe transient or struggling with addiction,
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or just didn't have strong family ties nearby. And you
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have to remember the context of the mid nineties. The
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AIDS crisis was still raging, which had already pushed this
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community to the margins in many ways, and sadly, that
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often meant less police attention, less public concern when someone
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went missing. Baumeister seemed to understand this. He exploited that
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marginalization perfectly. He knew their disappearances might not trigger immediate,
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huge investigations.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the human cost, because it wasn't just numbers,
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it was lives. The pattern started emerging pretty quickly, didn't it.
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Who were some of the first victims who raised alarms?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the names are important. One of the first confirmed cases,
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the one that really got community advocates worried, was John
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Lee Bayer, just twenty years old, an aspiring artist described
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as a bit of a drifter who'd come to Indy
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looking for well, maybe just a place to be. He
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vanished in May ninety three, last seen at a gay bar.
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Then the pattern solidified. Alan Livingston disappeared. He was twenty seven,
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worked in a warehouse. Friends said he loved to dance,
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had this infect axious energy. He was last seen leaving
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a club very late with an older guy, well dressed.
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Match Baumeister's description.
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Speaker 1: And it wasn't just drifters, right, it expanded men with connections,
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families who would notice immediately.
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Speaker 2: That's right, and that's key. Manuel Rasendez he was thirty one,
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coach little league, apparently a devoted uncle. Friends called him
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the heart of every party. When he disappeared, his family
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knew instantly something was terribly wrong. This wasn't him just
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taking off.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Then there was Jeffrey Allen Jones, I mechanic, quieter guy. Maybe.
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His car was found abandoned near a park known for cruising.
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Police later found his journal filled with poetry, his thoughts.
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It just underscores these weren't statistics. These were real people
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with lives, hopes gone.
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Speaker 1: So families and friends are raising the alarm pretty much
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immediately for some of these men, but the official response
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it lagged. How did the Indianapolis police initially handle these
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cases tragically?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the initial response was slow to treat each case
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as separate, isolated missing persons reports, or too often they
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just classified them as runaway.
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Speaker 1: Which plays right into the stereotype right exactly.
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Speaker 2: Our sources confirmed this was a pretty common systemic issue
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back then, especially with marginalized communities. The dots weren't being connected,
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and that lack of connection was made worse by Baumeister's
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own tactics. He was careful. He didn't use his real name.
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Speaker 1: He had an alias.
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Speaker 2: Yep, he operated as Brian Smart.
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Speaker 1: Brian Smart. It sounds almost deliberate, mocking, almost How did
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he use that alius?
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Speaker 2: It gave him instant distance from his real life, didn't it.
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He'd go to these bars, flash some cash, seemed charming, generous.
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He'd promise people a visit to his amazing secluded estate.
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You know, maybe frame it as an exclusive party or
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just a place to hang out.
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Speaker 1: Continue the night, right, leveraging the well for the image.
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Speaker 2: Totally using his affluent appearance and the sheer isolation of
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Foxhall a farm to lure victims into this private, controlled space,
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and it worked again and again, because as long as
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the victims weren't obviously connected, different bars, sometimes, different social circles,
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maybe the police just kept seeing them as individual cases.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't until the number got really high, like double digits,
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that Detective Lloyd Brooke put together a task force. What
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finally clicked.
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Speaker 2: It was the sheer consistency. The pattern became undeniable. The
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task force started comparing notes and found these chilling similarities.
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All victims last seen leaving similar places, all seen with
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this companion. Middle aged, looked, wealthy, white guy driving a
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nice sedan.
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Speaker 1: The Brian smart nay must have popped up sometimes too.
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Speaker 2: Occasionally. Yeah, the alias surfaced here and there. Oh, but
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it was the physical description, the circumstances that really became
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the anchor. The task force finally realized, Okay, we're not
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looking for multiple people here, were hunting one predator, someone
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operating with incredible confidence, taking advantage of the victim's vulnerability
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and the slow, fragmented police response.
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Speaker 1: It's just terrifying how that kind of deception, combined with
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while systemic blind spots can shield some of the like
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that for years. Okay, So June twenty fourth nineteen ninety six,
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Zach finds the skull, the investigation shifts instantly from missing
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persons to a massive homicide scene at Fox Hollow Farm.
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What happened immediately after that discovery, Yeah, the shift was total.
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Speaker 2: Once that bone was concerned as human, the authorities basically
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locked down the entire eighteen acres. And Julie Baumeister, his wife,
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I mean, she must have been profound shock, but she
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cooperated fully.
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Speaker 1: Her testimony was important.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely critical. She confirmed herb often had friends over, especially
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when she was away. She and the kids would visit
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her mother frequently, and that's when he'd have guests. She
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also mentioned his weird habit of spending hours alone out
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in the woods, coming back looking.
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Speaker 1: Disheveled, but she didn't suspect this.
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Speaker 2: No, she apparently thought maybe he was just managing his
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strange hobbies or maybe even having an affair.
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Speaker 1: Not this and the initial search the cadaver dogs.
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Speaker 2: They brought the dogs in almost right away, and they
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alerted everywhere, multiple spots across the property, on to the
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big deck off the house, near the swimming pool area,
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and in lots of shallow spots scattered through the woods.
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Speaker 1: So they knew quickly. It wasn't just the one skull.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that first week alone, the initial search team
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found over one hundred bone fragments that confirmed it. Zach's
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discovery wasn't an anomaly. It was the first glimpse into
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this huge, hidden mass grave situation.
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Speaker 1: Which then kicked off this massive forensic dig, one of
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the biggest in Indiana's history. Right, It went on for
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months from June ninety six into early ninety seven. How
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do you even approach a crime scene that vast, that complex.
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Speaker 2: It was the monumental task. You needed specialists from all
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different fields. Deputy Robert Wilson was leading the on the
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ground operation and he worked very closely with doctor Christa E. Latham,
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a forensic anthropologist. Okay, but the team also included archaeologists
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because you're dealing with layers of soil disturbances, cathologists obviously,
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and technicians skilled in really advanced recovery techniques. One of
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the first things they did was bring in ground penetrating
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radar GPR.
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Speaker 1: How does that work, especially on a place like Fox
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Hollow Farm, big woods, varied terrain.
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Speaker 2: Well, basically, GPR sends radar pulses down into the ground
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and reads the reflections that bounce back because the remains
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weren't buried neatly right, some were shallow, some maybe deeper,
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scattered all over. GPR helps find anomalies, disturbances under the
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surface that show where the ground was dug up and
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then refilled even years ago.
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Speaker 1: So it helps target the digging exactly.
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Speaker 2: Instead of just digging randomly across eighteen acres of woods
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and lawn. They could pinpoint specific areas that look suspicious
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on the radar much more efficient. Those still incredibly painstaking.
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Speaker 1: And that final number, five hundred and sixty three fragments,
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it just screams deliberation, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely the state of the remains told a story. They
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weren't just buried, they were shattered, pulverized after death. It
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was a clear calculated attempt by Baumeister to obliterate identities
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to make forensic work impossible.
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Speaker 1: So the investigation was less like digging up bodies and
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more like were like archaeology.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Latham herself described to like piecing together a
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thousand jigsaw puzzles from different boxes, all scattered across the dirt,
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Every tiny shard, every fragment had to be meticulously recovered,
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bag tagged, log analyzed. It was incredibly slow detailed work.
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Speaker 1: That level of destruction, it just speaks volumes about his
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need for control, doesn't it. Even over the evidence, can
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you walk us through some of the specific fines, the
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ones that really highlight how widespread and frankly, how horrifying
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this was.
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Speaker 2: The horror was literally everywhere. It wasn't just finding bone
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fragments out in the woods, because he integrated this horror
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into the family's everyday life. Some discoveries were just profoundly disturbing.
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For instance, they had to send divers into the family
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swimming pool.
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Speaker 1: Into the pool, yeah.
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Speaker 2: It was murky, but they retrieved small water logged bones
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that had gotten tangled up in the pool's filter system,
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remains that had been circulating in the water where the
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family probably swam.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that detail, it really hits home the
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banality of it committing these acts right alongside this normal
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family life.
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Speaker 2: And it didn't stop there. Out in a secluded part
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of the woods, excavators found this old rusted metal pipe
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structure looked makeshift. Inside it charred remains.
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Speaker 1: He tried to burn them.
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Speaker 2: It strongly suggests he'd tried to create a makeshift incinerator,
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attempting cremation, probably to destroy the evidence even further. But
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the attempt wasn't complete. Just let these calcined burn fragments
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behind and.
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Speaker 1: One at the flower bed that story always stands out
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near the tennis court.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another one of those jarring contrasts. You picture
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this perfectly kept flowerbed right next to the family tennis court,
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symbol of leisure suburbia, right, and just beneath the surface
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under the flowers, investigators unearthed a cluster of human teeth
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eleven teeth. Later analysis showed they came from at least
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three different people.
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Speaker 1: Just buried in the flower bed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it shows how casual, how ingrained the violence became
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for him. He felt comfortable burying parts of his victims
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literally inches below where his family was living and playing
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the investigator.
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Speaker 1: The psychological toll on that team must have been just immense,
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especially working through an Indiana summer.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it was brutal. They worked incredibly long hours, oppressive
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heat and humidity. Then you know, dealing with maggot infestations
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on the remains. Later, when the weather turned autumn, rains
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turned the whole site into this muddy mess, a quagmire.
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Speaker 1: How did they even manage?
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Speaker 2: Every bit of soil from any flagged area had to
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be painstakingly sifted through fine mesh screens. Just imagine that
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day after day. The sources mentioned there were mandatory psychological
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protocols in place. Counselors had to be on site, not
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just available, but actively debriefing the team because the mental
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impact of literally sifting through human dust day in day
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out it was severe.
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Speaker 1: But despite all that destruction, despite the state of the remains,
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forensic science did manage to provide some answers right.
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Speaker 2: Thank goodness. Yes, it took time and advanced DNA techniques
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for the ERA, but they were eventually able to get identifications.
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They confirmed the identities of AID victims from the Indianapolis
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Police Task Force list, linking them directly to the remains
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found at Foxhall of Farm. Finally irrefutable proof.
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Speaker 1: Eight confirmed. But not everyone.
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Speaker 2: No, And that's the other tragic part. Because of the
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sheer volume of fragments and how badly damaged and scattered
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everything was, there were remains found belonging to at least
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three other individuals, and those three remain unidentified even today.
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Their families never got that final confirmation. So while the
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dig was uncovering the physical evidence, the sheer scale of
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the horror, other parts of the investigation were solidifying the
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case against Herbellmeister himself. This was happening in July ninety six,
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just weeks after Zach found that first skull.
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Speaker 1: Right, what was the smoking gun? The thing that moved
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it from okay bodies are here to okay? He did this.
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Speaker 2: It came during the execution of search warrants at his office.
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At the house, investigators were going through everything and tucked
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away in a locked cabinet drawer they found polaroids.
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Speaker 1: Photos photos of not family snapshots. These were pictures of
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men bound unconscious, posed in various states, fun dress, and crucially,
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the background was unmistakable the master bedroom a fox hall
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of farm.
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Speaker 2: Wow. So he documented it, He documented his crimes. It
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was direct proof linking the location, the method of control, binding,
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maybe drugging, and Baumeister himself as a likely photographer, the orchestrator.
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It just screamed narcissism, doesn't it?
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Speaker 1: And audacity incredible and forensics helped connect the victims to
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the farm too. Even before all the DNARE results were back.
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Speaker 2: They did. The FBI labs were working on fiber analysis.
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Tiny threads recovered from the clothing of the missing men,
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the victims from Indianapolis. They matched them perfectly to carpet
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samples taken from inside the Fox Hallow farmhouse.
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Speaker 1: So fibers from the victim's clothes found in his house.
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That's pretty definitive.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it was irrefutable physical evidence tying the men who
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vanished from the city to Baumeister's secluded suburban home.
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Speaker 1: And this investigation also dug into his past. Write his history.
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I remember reading about testimony from his first wife.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that was important context. It showed this wasn't something
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that just started suddenly. He had a brief first marriage
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back in the seventies. She came forward, provided information maybe
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letters or journals, and these detailed his well, his escalating
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sexual deviance even back then, specifically fantasies involving asphyxiation. This
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went back decades. It painted a picture of a long
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developing pathology, a violent compulsion that had been simmering and
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growing long before he even met Julie, long before a
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foxhall of farm.
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Speaker 1: But the real insight into his method, his ritual came
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from someone who actually got away, didn't a survivor.
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Speaker 2: That testimony was absolutely crucial. There was a man thirty
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four years old at the time who had an encounter
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with Baumeister in nineteen ninety five and managed to escape.
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He came forward after the news broke.
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Speaker 1: What did she describe?
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Speaker 2: He described the pattern being picked up at a bar,
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driven out to the isolated farm, being given a lot
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of alcohol, and then being subjected to this ritual partial
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strangulation during sex. The survivor specifically remembered Boumeister calling it
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the game, the game, yeah, purifying. The man said he
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blacked out. When he came to, he was miles away,
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back in his own car, confused, obviously terrified, but alive.
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His account confirmed the lethal method Baumeister likely used on
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the others, and it showed the compulsive, ritualized nature of
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the violence.
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Speaker 1: So when the experts the profilers looked at all this,
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the meticulous planning, the double life, the ritualistic violence, the documentation,
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what kind of psychological profile did they build?
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Speaker 2: Well, experts, including prominent figures like doctor Robert Hare who
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studied psychopathy, they pegged Baumeister as a classic organized killer,
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highly intelligent, methodical in his planning and execution and driven
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by thrill seeking.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and clinically any specific diagnoses mentioned.
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Speaker 2: The profile pointed strongly towards significant narcissistic traits that need
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for control, for validation the grandiosity. But more specifically, it
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pointed towards eerotophonophilia.
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Speaker 1: Erotophonophilia. That sounds incredibly dark. Can you explain what that means?
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How does it connect to the game.
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Speaker 2: It's a specific and thankfully rare paraphilia. It basically means
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deriving sexual arousals, specifically from the act of murdering a
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sexual partner or from the process of sexual homicide itself.
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It's not just about sex, and it's not just about violence.
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It's the fusion of the two, where the ultimate act
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of control, taking a life, becomes the source of the
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ultimate sexual thrill.
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Speaker 1: So the game the strangulation.
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Speaker 2: For Baumeister, that act, the strangulation leading to unconsciousness potentially death,
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that was the core of his sexual gratification. It was
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the ultimate expression of dominance for him, total control over
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another person's life and death. It fed right into that
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narcissistic fantasy of absolute.
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Speaker 1: Power, and he carefully selected victims he perceived as easier targets,
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exploiting that vulnerability.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, the experts concluded, he deliberately prayed on a community
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he knew faced societal prejudice, knew might lack institutional protection.
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He exploited the social and sometimes economic vulnerability of these
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young gay men, knowing they'd be less likely to be
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missed immediately, less likely to have their disappearances vigorously investigated.
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Doctor Hare's assessment suggested Bowmeister viewed them almost as as
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disposable objects for his fantasy.
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Speaker 1: Disposable objects, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Which allowed him to indulge these horrific compulsions while maintaining
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that respectable, controlled, perfect facade. Back in Westfield.
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Speaker 1: So early July nineteen ninety six, the bones are piling up,
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the polaroids are found, the survivor testimony comes in. Bowmeister
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must have known the walls were closing in.
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Speaker 2: He absolutely knew the evidence was mounting incredibly fast. That
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you do, He did what he always did. He controlled
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the situation before investigators could get an arrest warrant finalized.
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Herb Baumeister vanished on July third, nineteen ninety six. He fled.
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Speaker 1: Where did he go?
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Speaker 2: He drove north, a long way over six hundred miles
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up into Canada to Pinery Provincial Park in Ontario. Yeah,
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and there he ended it, took his own life for
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the gunshot.
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Speaker 1: He left a note.
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Speaker 2: He did, a suicide note addressed to Julie, but it
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was vague, frustratingly vague. It said something like, I have
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done terrible things. Please forgive me terrible things.
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Speaker 1: But no confession, no details.
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Speaker 2: No specifics, no explanation for the families, no accounting for
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the lives he took. In his final act, he denied
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everyone the closure of a trial, a full confession. He
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maintained control over the narrative and his own fate right
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to the very end. The fallout from Herb Baumeister, from
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fox Hall of Farm, it went way beyond just that
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property line. It really forced a hard look at the
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systems that are supposed to protect people, especially people on
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the margins.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that Task Force, Detective Brooks team, even though it
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started late, their work really exposed massive gaps, didn't it
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in how missing persons cases were handled, especially within the
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LGBTQ plus community back then? Did it lead to actual
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changes in Indiana?
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Speaker 2: It absolutely did. The impact on law enforcement training was
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pretty immediate and significant. The case directly resulted in mandated
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improved training protocols for Indiana State Police for local departments.
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Speaker 1: Too, training on what specifically.
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Speaker 2: On how to properly file, track, and crucially investigate missing
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persons reports involving LGBTQ plus individuals. They were explicitly taught
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to look for patterns for connections, not just dismiss cases
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as you know, isolated runaways or chalk it up to
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lifestyle choices. It was a systemic shift prompted by this horror.
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Speaker 1: And what about the forensic side the dig itself. We
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talked about how incredibly complex it was sifting through those
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thousands of fragments. Did those methods influence practices elsewhere?
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Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. The sheer uniqueness of the challenge at fox
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Holofarm You're using GPR effectively on that kind of large
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mixed terrain, developing protocols for recovering pulverized scattered remains. It
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was groundbreaking work for the time.
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Speaker 1: So it became a case study exactly.
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Speaker 2: It was so significant that the FBI actually incorporated the
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fox Hollow Farm dig into its Behavioral Analysis Unit training curriculum.
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It became required learning for future federal investigators. How do
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you handle a mass of crime scene where the evidence
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has been deliberately obliterated and dispersed like that? So in
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a grim way, the tragedy led to advancements in forensic
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science and investigative techniques nationwide.
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Speaker 1: And the farm itself, Fox Hollow Farm, what happened to
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the property, the place where all this occurred.
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Speaker 2: Well, Fox Hollow Farm was basically seen as unsalvageable, both physically, forensically,
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and just psychologically for the community. It was the site
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of so much trauma. It sat there for a while,
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fueling local unease, and was finally torn down raised completely
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in two thousand.
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Speaker 1: I remember reading about rumors before it was demolished.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the sources mentioned persistent rumors of hauntings. Apparently cleanup
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crewis reported seeing ghostly apparitions, strange occurrences. Whether you believe
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in that or not, it speaks to the deep psychological
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scar of the place left.
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Speaker 1: And the families. Was there any kind of restitution?
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Speaker 2: There were civil suits filed against Baumeister's estate and against
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his company, Thrifttown. They did result in some financial compensation
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for the victims' families, modest amount it's really nothing they
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could ever ever replace what they lost, of course, but
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some small measure of accountability. The site itself today it's
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private property, undeveloped residential land. Just a quiet, somber reminder now.
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Speaker 1: And it's so important, isn't it, to always bring it
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back to the people, the victims, behind the numbers, behind
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the forensic details, the eight confirmed, the three still unnamed.
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They were individuals.
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Speaker 2: They had lives, absolutely, They were sons, brothers, friends, you know.
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John Behar, the young artist looking for community, Alan Livingston
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who dreamed of opening a dance studio. Eric Rourke studying
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to be a nurse, driven by compassion. Menuel Risendez, the coach,
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the beloved uncle. Their deaths just tore holes in the
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fabric of the Indianapolis community.
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Speaker 1: But that community, reading the sources, it seems they responded
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with incredible strength, didn't they. They didn't just grieve, They organized.
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They advocated, They really did.
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Speaker 2: They channeled that grief, that anger into action, into advocacy.
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There are still annual gatherings held in Indianapolis today keeping
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the memory of these mental and the sources mentioned memorials too.
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Plaques etched in stone apparently now stand at the private
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property site honoring the confirmed victims.
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Speaker 1: That's important, it is.
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Speaker 2: It's showing their names are remembered not for how they died,
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but for the lives they lived, the potential they had,
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and the community they were part of.
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Speaker 1: So this story Herb Baumeister Fox Hollow Farm, nearly thirty
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years later, it still resonates, doesn't it as this complex,
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deeply disturbing cautionary tale.
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Speaker 2: It absolutely does. I think the enduring terror of the
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Bowmeister case is just how successful evil can be when
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it wears the right mask, the mask of perfect normalcy.
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He thrived on deception, He exploited systemic failure, societal prejudices,
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and he managed to hide the truly unimaginable thousands of
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shattered lives in the most mundane, secure seeming setting you
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could picture, that perfect suburban estate.
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Speaker 1: It makes you question things.
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Speaker 2: It forces anyone who learns this story to kind of
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re evaluate what stability or normalcy even looks like. Because
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the real terror here, thing that sticks with you is
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realizing just how long the unimaginable can stay hidden, buried
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just inches beneath the surface of what looks like perfectly ordinary,
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absoluent suburban life. How many other secrets might be out there,
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hidden in plain sight?
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Speaker 1: A chilling thought to end on. It's a profoundly complex case,
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looking into those layers of deception, the vulnerability, and then
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the incredible forensic effort to find some measure of justice.
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Thank you for taking us through this deep dig today