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Ross Fulton Analysis: The Changes That Helped Ohio State's Offense Dominate Minnesota · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyees tomorrow morning. For Wednesday, October eighth, I'm
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Speaker 1: to look at the Ohio State offense on today's show
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Speaker 1: and the defense. The defense was simply unmatched on Saturday
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Speaker 1: night at the offense pretty darn good as well. One
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Speaker 1: of the things that we saw that was a little
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Speaker 1: bit new was you saw Carnel Tate in the backfield
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Speaker 1: a few times, and it felt like that was kind
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Speaker 1: of an interesting wrinkle for them to throw out against Minnesota.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they had some different wrinkles here, Yeah, with
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Speaker 2: backfield alignment, like two backs in the backfield A couple
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Speaker 2: of times are sort of an offset. Look, lots of
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Speaker 2: unbalances we'll get too. I guess in a game where
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Speaker 2: you know where Parker flumbing puts out is like how
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Speaker 2: bad did we get beat stats every Monday where you're
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Speaker 2: like beat that, you are at the top of the
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Speaker 2: list basically in terms of a beatdown of all the
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Speaker 2: things like to complain about. I guess out of that,
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Speaker 2: I saw some consternation about the Ohio State run game ongoing,
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Speaker 2: and like like anything else, it's it's picked your poison,
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Speaker 2: and Minnesota was uber aggressive coming out of the gate defensively.
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Speaker 2: I was pretty shocked by it. I think they got
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Speaker 2: the outcome you would expect. I guess they were hoping that,
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Speaker 2: you know, they'd be able to stop limit the Ohio
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Speaker 2: State run game, and then Ohio State wouldn't or couldn't
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Speaker 2: take shots downfield as a result, or would be conservative
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Speaker 2: against them. That's not the case, as we will see
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Speaker 2: and as we saw it. But so you can sort
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Speaker 2: of see the makings of that here right like this
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Speaker 2: first drive, like you have, Colonel Tate, Minnesota played a
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Speaker 2: ton of cover one man early on, so you cover
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Speaker 2: one here, so this is like, you know, you got
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Speaker 2: inside zone with this relief pass to Colonel Tate right
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Speaker 2: like to the outside. But because they're in cover one,
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Speaker 2: they have three three defenders for Ohio States two blockers
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Speaker 2: in Tate. So Sam correctly gives. But you know they
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Speaker 2: also have an extra hot in the box. Now the
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Speaker 2: defensive tack also makes a nice play. He swims inside
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Speaker 2: of Tiger Shabola that stops his run. Play the kind
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Speaker 2: of short circuits of Hio States first drive, you know.
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Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, Josh Padilla came in for two series at
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Speaker 2: right guard for Shabola in the second quarter, not ethan oneawa.
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Speaker 2: I guess something to watch going forward. If that's just
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Speaker 2: sort of like, you know, how they kind of like
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Speaker 2: to pull Tiger out at times, or if they're like,
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Speaker 2: you know, a situation a monitor. But be that as
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Speaker 2: it may. That sort of explains why Ohio State went
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Speaker 2: with the strategy that it did, as we'll see here.
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Speaker 1: Well, during the postgame press conference, PJ. Fleck used the
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Speaker 1: phrase pitch your poison, which was the phrase you used
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Speaker 1: earlier in terms of what they were going to do
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Speaker 1: against Ohio State and talked about the fact that we're
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Speaker 1: going to try and take away the run, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: sometimes that's going to lead to big plays downfield, and
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Speaker 1: it sure did on Saturday night. One of the ways
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Speaker 1: it can do that is via play action, because boy,
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Speaker 1: if you're looking for a run action and you crash
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Speaker 1: on that, it sure does open things up downfield. This
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Speaker 1: was a play action look. This next one kind of
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Speaker 1: that long shot down the left sideline to Carnel Tait,
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Speaker 1: the first of the four or three long receptions for Tait.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we talked about following Washington like to the
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Speaker 2: two things that could have been there sooner or throughout
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Speaker 2: the game that would have opened things up more for
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Speaker 2: our State were more concerted effort to use run pass
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Speaker 2: options and you know, taking and hitting some of these
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Speaker 2: vertical shots were there, and High State did both early
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Speaker 2: and often, which is probably why you get the different
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Speaker 2: outcomes relatively or offensive performances. So again, same thing, I say,
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Speaker 2: second drive gets a first down right with the short
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Speaker 2: yardage handoff to c. J. Donaldson, and then immediately like Minnesota,
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Speaker 2: here you go like twelve personnel. This is sort of
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Speaker 2: again a two back, full back look. I was talking
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Speaker 2: about cover one, and you know they run this, you know,
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Speaker 2: basically two go routes with this dig route from the
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Speaker 2: tight end in the middle and you know, great ball
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Speaker 2: from saying hits tate and stride and so they sort
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Speaker 2: of like opened up the floodgates, I guess, or you
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Speaker 2: would say, or got the floodgates going. But again, like
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Speaker 2: you know, as we said, fulling Washington, and I know
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Speaker 2: there was some discussion from college football nerds and others
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Speaker 2: about can saying, you know, throw it vertically, And as
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Speaker 2: I said at the time, I don't think it's a
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Speaker 2: matter of can, Like can he physically do it? I
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Speaker 2: think he can. He throws a nice deep ball. It's
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Speaker 2: just like being comfortable to take the shots and having
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Speaker 2: like the coverage looks that provide it. And Minnesota gave
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Speaker 2: him both on Saturday, and you know, we obviously saw
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Speaker 2: the result.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you do wonder if that's going to maybe
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Speaker 1: change what how how teams are going to defend Ohio
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Speaker 1: State now that they have sort of shown that, Okay,
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Speaker 1: they have that tool in the toolbox. So now now
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Speaker 1: what do you do. One thing that we've seen a
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Speaker 1: lot from teams is either they're doubling Jeremiah Smith, or
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Speaker 1: they're backing way off of Jeremiah Smith to keep him
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Speaker 1: from beating them downfield. This next one, the corner really
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Speaker 1: bails on this coverage, which then Julian saying says, okay,
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Speaker 1: I will take the free yardage, which it's a nice
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Speaker 1: it's a relatively short throw to a wide open receiver,
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Speaker 1: and then Jeremiah Smith after the catch turns it into
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Speaker 1: a much bigger game. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the other leg that we're just
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Speaker 2: talking about in terms of, you know, the vertical shots
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Speaker 2: and then the RPS hit some earlier Colonel take here
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Speaker 2: he is a Smith. I think this is cover one
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Speaker 2: from Minnesota. It's a little wonky with how off that
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Speaker 2: safety is. I mean, it gives him saying the easy
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Speaker 2: free access read there hits that slot hitch and then yeah,
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Speaker 2: as you said, they're run after the catch. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting one in the sense of
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Speaker 2: like they're putting Smith in the slot there and kind
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Speaker 2: of changing up the look as to how you know
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Speaker 2: the motion in is to the to be the the
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Speaker 2: boundary single receiver. And also notice it's unbalanced. I mentioned
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Speaker 2: there's quite a bit of these unbalanced like tight end
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Speaker 2: covered up looks on Saturday, probably messing with Minnesota's cover
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Speaker 2: one fits. But yeah, so this came, you know, right
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Speaker 2: after the tape that play, we just showed high of
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Speaker 2: state scores, and pretty quickly after that, like Minnesota abandons
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Speaker 2: this cover one aggressive look, you start getting a lot
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Speaker 2: more Tampa two from the Gophers. But which is why
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Speaker 2: I would expect that this is large. And while I
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Speaker 2: say it hasn't seen this much man coverage this year
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Speaker 2: and probably won't going forward, I mean, it's just really
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Speaker 2: it's really asking a lot. When you have Smith and tape,
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Speaker 2: and then you know, adding Max player to the mix,
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Speaker 2: who seems to be getting more and more comfortable each week,
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Speaker 2: that gives you sort of your three options right there.
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Speaker 1: Earlier in the year, there was some conversation about whether
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Speaker 1: certain RPOs were live for Julian, saying where he was
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Speaker 1: handing off in situations where you would expect him to
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Speaker 1: pull this next one, I'm assuming this is an RPO.
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Speaker 1: It looks like an RPO where he pulls it and
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Speaker 1: is able to hit Carnel tit. And this is another
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Speaker 1: one where it's get a relatively easy short throw that
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Speaker 1: Carnel Tate turns into a much longer, nice game.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is again sort of reminds me of that
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Speaker 2: clip I should again Swashington last week. Cars like, oh,
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Speaker 2: if they hit Jeremiah Smith on that plans rap, he
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Speaker 2: probably has a big catch and run opportunity, and Colonel
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Speaker 2: Tate does that here. But yeah, I assume this too
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Speaker 2: is an r PO based on the offensive line getting
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Speaker 2: up to the second level there as you can see
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Speaker 2: picking at the linebacker so mentioned Minnesota. This is like
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Speaker 2: a complex one though Minnesota's showing one high like they've
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Speaker 2: been playing. They actually that guy rotast down and it's
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Speaker 2: like it's a Cover two Tampa invert meeting the two
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Speaker 2: corners of the deep has that middle safety becomes the
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Speaker 2: pole runner and the you know Cooy Parish number three
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Speaker 2: from Minnesota the boundary. He's basically the force defender. And
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Speaker 2: so saying if you look from behind the end zone
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Speaker 2: of view, you can see him sort of eyeing that side.
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Speaker 2: He's either looking you know, whether he's looking at the
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Speaker 2: reading and based on the grass that's available, or just
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Speaker 2: that safety staying down. Obviously he pulls and throws, and
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Speaker 2: you know, as we've talked about, he has a quick
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Speaker 2: release and is accurate, and so he's these RPOs fit
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Speaker 2: him well, but it just makes it so much harder
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Speaker 2: for teams to bring that eighth defender down into the
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Speaker 2: box like Washington was doing. We talked about a lot,
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Speaker 2: and obviously once they started throwndosos back to Washington off
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Speaker 2: and you know hear this, You know you increasingly sort
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Speaker 2: of see this cover two invert as teams we talked
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Speaker 2: about from Ohio State side of things, like teams look
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Speaker 2: for disguise and sort of help themselves to the boundary
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Speaker 2: with the run. Again, like as I said, big picture,
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Speaker 2: like hitting these deep shots, hitting these RPOs makes them
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Speaker 2: a very difficult offense to defend.
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Speaker 1: One of the other things that will make them a
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Speaker 1: difficult offense to defend is that Jeremiah Smith can impact things.
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Speaker 1: Even when he's not getting the ball, the balls nowhere
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Speaker 1: near him, he can still really impact things. And this
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Speaker 1: is one, this next one. In hockey and basketball, you
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Speaker 1: have the concept of the assist. It feels like Jeremiah
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Speaker 1: Smith case should almost get an assist on this one
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Speaker 1: because this is one where Ohio State just sort of
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Speaker 1: shows like an orbit motion kind of action, like an
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Speaker 1: end to a round kind of action to Jeremiah Smith,
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Speaker 1: and you just watch the defense and the whole defense
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Speaker 1: feels like it's flowing one way. And then Carnel tates
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Speaker 1: on the other side of the field and he singled
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Speaker 1: up and gets behind his man and it is one
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Speaker 1: of the easier pitches and catches that Julian say And
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Speaker 1: has had as an Ohio State buck eye.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, we get unbalanced right that the tight end
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Speaker 2: on the line of scrimmage Bennett Christian here is covered up,
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Speaker 2: so he's ineligible. Again, I'm assuming lots of like to
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Speaker 2: mess with. You know, Minnesota wants to play man coverage.
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Speaker 2: You're going to put people in mess up how you
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Speaker 2: know their balanced to each side of the center line.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's it's a good concept as well, because,
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Speaker 2: like you know, Jeremi Smith is getting a lot of
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Speaker 2: attention obviously, and so you can't always have him be
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Speaker 2: the vertical threat because teams will adjust to that. Whereas
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Speaker 2: if you're using him as the decoy here, as you said,
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Speaker 2: you can see his the man defender responsible for him
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Speaker 2: is flowing over the top. The deep safety comes flying
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Speaker 2: down and that just leaves like an easy throat to
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Speaker 2: the to the center field. I think the other thing,
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Speaker 2: like I would note so again like twelve personnel High State,
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Speaker 2: as we talked about using a lot of these heavy looks,
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Speaker 2: especially to create vertical shots. I think there's less thirteen
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Speaker 2: personnel like we talked about last week in this game,
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Speaker 2: but certainly a lot of twelve. And it makes sense
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Speaker 2: when you know, as I said, when you have Clayer
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Speaker 2: is probably your third option and Cosmeeric is such a
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Speaker 2: good blocker, you know, for those who in particular. But
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Speaker 2: you know, one other underrated thing about this is Julian
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Speaker 2: sand was played under center some in high school, and
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Speaker 2: like you can see the impact of that. Like his
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Speaker 2: ball handling on this is really good, which is just
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Speaker 2: a small thing, but when quarterback turns his back to
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Speaker 2: the defense on play action, it becomes really difficult. So
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Speaker 2: all those things, you know, add up to an easy throw.
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Speaker 2: And again, you know, we were talking about the concern
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Speaker 2: over explosives after Washington, but obviously it was not an
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Speaker 2: issue on Saturday.
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Speaker 1: All right, Next up, we're going down into the red zone,
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Speaker 1: a place where Ohio State has not had a ton
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Speaker 1: of success. I mean, they've done just fine, but by
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Speaker 1: their standards, they have not had a ton of success
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Speaker 1: this year, and we talked on last week's show about
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Speaker 1: the fact that you know, you're cramming a bunch of
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Speaker 1: tight ends in there, and maybe if you get away
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Speaker 1: from the fourteen personnel or the thirteen personnel, you might
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Speaker 1: have more success down there. This week, they tried eleven
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Speaker 1: personnel and ended up scoring a touchdown. Bo Jackson ended
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Speaker 1: up scoring a touchdown on this one, So that's the
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Speaker 1: play we're gonna be looking at. This was also the
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Speaker 1: play I thought it was. You don't generally see coaches
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Speaker 1: annoyed after a touchdown, but Ryan Day and Carlos Laughlan
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Speaker 1: were both not thrilled at the idea of Bo Jackson
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Speaker 1: had sort of reached the ball across the goal line
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Speaker 1: on this one, sort of put it at risk on
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Speaker 1: a second down play where you might get the ball
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Speaker 1: knocked out and lose lose possession, which you don't. You know,
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Speaker 1: that's not worth the risk on the second now, and
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Speaker 1: the way it is maybe un fourth down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. There Again, there are some, as I said,
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Speaker 2: some consternation about the run game. I thought, you know,
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Speaker 2: things opened up a little bit once they backed Minnesota off.
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Speaker 2: I thought there were lots of positive runs though in
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Speaker 2: the game. I mean I thought Bo Jackson had a
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Speaker 2: couple of work. He made something out of nothing, which
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Speaker 2: is maybe the first time i'd seen him, I say,
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Speaker 2: running back to that this year, but as you said,
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Speaker 2: like eleven personnel, they're changed up a little bit. We're
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Speaker 2: seeing more eleven and more of mid zone and outside
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Speaker 2: wide zone runs from the pistol that seemed to be
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Speaker 2: more effective. Ironically, like after all the counter in the
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Speaker 2: playoffs last year and how heavy they were on counter
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Speaker 2: against Texas, they actually seem to be executing zone runs better.
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Speaker 2: Whether that's like this offensive line the backs, or it
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Speaker 2: could just be like the irony of the fact that
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Speaker 2: like now, teams are so prepared to defend gap plays
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Speaker 2: that it's making some of the zone blocks a little
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Speaker 2: bit easier on the offense. But again, so yeah, you're
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Speaker 2: using a little bit more eleven, you know, using Colonel
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Speaker 2: Tate here to dig out, so essentially he's like acting
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Speaker 2: like the twelfth blocker. But so and then yeah, obviously
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Speaker 2: the criticism of Jackson, I mean, I don't think Jackson's
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Speaker 2: going anywhere in terms of being the lead back anytime soon.
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Speaker 2: But obviously that's going to be a teaching point for
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Speaker 2: a freshman. But I think you'll see this continue in
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Speaker 2: terms of a little less reliance on especially like heavier.
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Speaker 2: As I said, I think there'll be lots of twelve
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Speaker 2: because I just fits their best players. But you know
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Speaker 2: thirteen and above and you know Colonel tap and In
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Speaker 2: is sort of filling these some roles as blockers and
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Speaker 2: these contents formations.
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Speaker 1: And they showed eleven personnel again inside the five later
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Speaker 1: in the game as well. This was on the touchdown
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Speaker 1: pass to Jeremi Smith. Actually this might have been right
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Speaker 1: before there might have been the touchdown previous to the
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Speaker 1: Bo Jackson touchdown. This was the touchdown pass to Jeremi
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Speaker 1: Smith kind of in the in the corner of the
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Speaker 1: end zone and the left end zone north end zone
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Speaker 1: of the field, left side of your TV screen if
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Speaker 1: you're watching at home. But this is another case where
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Speaker 1: they're in eleven personnel inside the five, and we just
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Speaker 1: saw they can run it and they can also throw
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Speaker 1: it out of that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so again this is like sort of a
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Speaker 2: looks ho hum, right, I mean it's kind a bench
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Speaker 2: out from from Smith. He breaks inside, breaks out against
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Speaker 2: man coverage. But you know we talked about like earlier,
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Speaker 2: especially like after the ou Ohio game. You know, these
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Speaker 2: are the kind of throws like and you're gonna put
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Speaker 2: Smith down there out there as opposed to like these
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Speaker 2: super heavy formations and you're gonna get man coverage, like
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Speaker 2: you need to be efficient and convert these, right, And
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Speaker 2: so that happens here. So yeah, you get a little
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Speaker 2: spacing route to the field, basically get a single route
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Speaker 2: for Smith to the corner. So that was his first touchhdown.
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Speaker 2: Second one was off that similar like plants RPO. And
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Speaker 2: so I think you're you're seeing it, as you said,
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Speaker 2: like Morgan, emphasis on not quitting getting quite so heavy
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Speaker 2: all the time, and you're taking advantage of single coverage
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Speaker 2: in these situations.
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Speaker 1: All right, And the last play we're going to look
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Speaker 1: at this is one where they've got Jeremiah Smith. They
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Speaker 1: get eleven personnel. Max Claire is split all the way
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Speaker 1: out wide to the right, Jeremiah Smith is inside him.
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Speaker 1: This is a nice completion downfield if Claire finds a
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Speaker 1: hole in his own saying stands in, takes a shot,
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Speaker 1: hits Claire downfield. But we've had a couple of these
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Speaker 1: this year where We're looking at this and it's like
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Speaker 1: you watch the All twenty two, it is like, oh, man,
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith was wide open on this one. They kind
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Speaker 1: of crossed and Jeremiah Smith just no one picked him
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Speaker 1: up going out there. But that might be something to
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Speaker 1: keep an eye on moving forward. That might be an
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Speaker 1: opportunity that presents itself again in the future.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's switch route at the bottom of the screen.
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Speaker 2: As you said, you know again, so as I said,
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Speaker 2: more Tampa two like here from Minnesota. As the game progressed,
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Speaker 2: you know, they were obviously tired of getting torched in
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Speaker 2: man coverage. But you know this is just a great throw.
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Speaker 2: By saying right, stepping up in the pocket, I mean
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Speaker 2: he reads it correctly in terms of you watch that
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Speaker 2: Tampa two defender take in this as that middle seam
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Speaker 2: route and so that opens up Claire, you tend to
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Speaker 2: break these off when you have as we talked about,
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Speaker 2: like four going vertical against cover two. You want one
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Speaker 2: to turn into a dig and he hits it. But
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Speaker 2: like just staying in the pocket, accurate throw, I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's it's it's got to be a Ryan Day favorite
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Speaker 2: of sayings on Saturday. So you know, maybe there are
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Speaker 2: a couple of times on Saturday where I'd say saying,
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Speaker 2: you know, a couple actually, like that scramble where he
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Speaker 2: hit Tate on the sideline where Tate had that great catch.
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Speaker 2: I thought he could have maybe thrown that one to
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Speaker 2: Smith on a dig in rhythm, or he tried to
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Speaker 2: hit Smith in the end zone and it was broken
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Speaker 2: up by parents of the deep safety. I thought, you know,
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Speaker 2: he should have worked underneath that one. But like again,
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Speaker 2: like it has to be considered saying's best game overall,
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Speaker 2: but just in terms of like handling the RPOs, being
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Speaker 2: decisive on these routes, you know, staying in the pocket
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Speaker 2: and creating you know, whether he needed to or not,
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Speaker 2: like creating outside of structure, and like he was effective
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Speaker 2: on those QB sneaks right, like, which is another tactic.
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Speaker 2: And if they could do that, they less need for
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Speaker 2: you know, all these different personnel group beings bring in
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Speaker 2: Lincoln Keen holes, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Julian Saye also over eighty percent in terms
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Speaker 1: of completions, best completion percentage in the nation, and now
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Speaker 1: doing it with a little more downfield downfield passing, So
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Speaker 1: not a lot to complain about out of a first
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Speaker 1: time starting quarterback, look around the look around the nation
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Speaker 1: at some of the other starting quarterbacks who are first
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Speaker 1: time starting quarterbacks and how that's going, and Julian saying
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Speaker 1: doing doing just fine with the Ohio State offense, and
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Speaker 1: so they will they will head out to uh Shan
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Speaker 1: and have to deal with the wins of Urbana Champagne
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Speaker 1: as well as the Illinois defense this weekend. We'll be
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Speaker 1: talking about that next week, but before that, we're going
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Speaker 1: to be bringing Ross back on tomorrow show to talk
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Speaker 1: about the Ohio State defense, which is doing just fine
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Speaker 1: as well. That's what happens, that's how you end up
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Speaker 1: as the top ranked team in the country. So when
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