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Ep. 565: What Would Lee Ellis Do? · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the
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  Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today on the show, I'm joined by
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  Speaker 1: Lee Ellis of Seek one to discuss exactly how he
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  Speaker 1: handles some of the toughest deer hunting scenarios in the
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  Speaker 1: white tail woods. All right, welcome to the Wired to
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  Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light. Today we
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  Speaker 1: are continuing are what would You Do series, wrapping it
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  Speaker 1: up actually, and as you know if he's listened to
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  Speaker 1: the three previous what we do here is we run
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  Speaker 1: our guests through a bunch of different hypothetical hunting scenarios.
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  Speaker 1: And this year I've I've taken a number of questions
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  Speaker 1: and ask them to each one of our guests. So
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  Speaker 1: you've heard a few of these over and over and
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  Speaker 1: over again. And I did that on purpose because I
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  Speaker 1: think it's very interesting and and and kind of enlightening
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  Speaker 1: to see how each one of these very successful hunters
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  Speaker 1: handles the same kind of situation and they each do
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  Speaker 1: it in a different way that I think is kind
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  Speaker 1: of encouraging, and I think it's a great reminder for
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  Speaker 1: all of us that there's not just one way to
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  Speaker 1: do this that just because so and so from Iowa
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  Speaker 1: says you have to do it this way, that you
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  Speaker 1: can't do it in a completely different way in Michigan
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  Speaker 1: or Georgia or Mississippi or Pennsylvania, whatever it is. I
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  Speaker 1: think we can learn something from all of these people
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  Speaker 1: and then figure out what works in our neck of
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  Speaker 1: the woods with our style. And today's guest is a
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  Speaker 1: perfect example of this kind of person who's got a
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  Speaker 1: very unique kind of niche, but which I think we
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  Speaker 1: can learn from and apply to our places. So this
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  Speaker 1: is Lee Ellis today. Lee Ellis is one of the
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  Speaker 1: founders of seek one Productions, just a super entertaining, very
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  Speaker 1: successful UH deer hunting YouTube channel, social media, full package
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  Speaker 1: of media offerings, and they focus on urban deer hunting.
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  Speaker 1: So the kind of thing that I did last year
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  Speaker 1: with Taylor Chamberlain, you know, Lee is doing this to
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  Speaker 1: you know, just an unbelievable degree with the quality of
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  Speaker 1: deer him and his buddies are killing. And they've done
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  Speaker 1: it in Georgia, They've done in Tennessee, they've done in Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of different places. They're spreading out and proving
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  Speaker 1: that this style of hunting works all across the country.
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  Speaker 1: So today we're getting that d i y perspective from
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  Speaker 1: someone who knocks on doors, who gets permission to chase deer,
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  Speaker 1: and kind of funky, different kinds of places, and it's
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  Speaker 1: something you can do anywhere if you want to check
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  Speaker 1: out and see a little bit of of background, I
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  Speaker 1: suppose only in this style of hunting. I recommend you
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  Speaker 1: listen to our first podcast with him, episode two thirty nine.
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  Speaker 1: We kind of cover the basics and the foundation of
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  Speaker 1: how Lee hunts, why he does this, the the basic
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  Speaker 1: kind of stick. This is like their style of hunting.
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  Speaker 1: But today we're gonna get into the specifics of unique
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  Speaker 1: scenarios and situations and uh, you know, just like we
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  Speaker 1: do on the Gauntlet, Lee's got some good ideas, some
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  Speaker 1: interesting stories, and uh, I really enjoyed this one. So
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a great way to wrap up our
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  Speaker 1: August and then jump into the season. I mean, for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of us, September means so I'm very very excited.
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  Speaker 1: I want to give you guys one heads up some
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  Speaker 1: house cleaning before we get into it. I've been telling
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  Speaker 1: you guys about my new gear recommendations page on the
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  Speaker 1: Meat Eater store. You've heard me say it before, I'll
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  Speaker 1: top recommendations as far as what we offer over on
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  Speaker 1: the Mediator store, from First Life, from f HF, from
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  Speaker 1: all the different brands and manufacturers that we now carry.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that my little pitch for the day, pre
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  Speaker 1: sweet deal for those of you in the market. I
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  Speaker 1: hope you appreciate it. If you're not in the market, no, biggie,
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  Speaker 1: ignore me. Stick around for a great chat with Lee.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna enjoy this one, and I appreciate you. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get into it here with me now on the Wire
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  Speaker 1: Dump podcast, and this is the first for me. I'm
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  Speaker 1: recording while driving in a pickup truck and I'm not driving,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting the passenger seat. But with me, we've got
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  Speaker 1: Lee Ellis, Lee, welcome to the show Man. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: having me, glad to be here. We've got crazy schedules
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  Speaker 1: to both of us, so we had to get creative
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  Speaker 1: when how we could fit this in. So thank you
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  Speaker 1: for making the time we've been dancing around. Uh for
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  Speaker 1: a while, when I've had stuff going on, you've been free.
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  Speaker 1: When you've been free, I've had stuff, or when you've
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  Speaker 1: been busy, I've been free. Since Yeah, we've finally the
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  Speaker 1: stars of a line in our schedule are free. So
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  Speaker 1: and like like a three week window of August, this
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  Speaker 1: is the only couple hour window I think we've had
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  Speaker 1: that actually lines up. So we're making it work however
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  Speaker 1: we can, so hopefully if folk can hear this all okay,
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  Speaker 1: But as as you know, Lee, we're in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of this kind of series where I'm going through this
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  Speaker 1: this what would You Do? Gauntlet where I'm basically running
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  Speaker 1: people through a bunch of these challenging, um tricky hunting
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  Speaker 1: scenarios and then seeing how they would deal with them.
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  Speaker 1: So I've got a bunch of these four you. There's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of doozies in here. There's a couple that
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  Speaker 1: might bring up bad memories. Uh, I'm just gonna see
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  Speaker 1: if you can make it through to the end. So
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  Speaker 1: are you Are you game for that challenge? Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm totally game. I think that uh, there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: I think that's one of those things where it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like there's no right or wrong answer. I think
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  Speaker 1: I think that, uh, people have different hunting styles, so
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  Speaker 1: my answer may be different than you know, someone else's answer. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that that's kind of like how your
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  Speaker 1: approaches would would It's gonna play into kind of how
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  Speaker 1: you would attack these scenario. You're gonna like, yeah, so true.
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  Speaker 1: So give me as much of that color when once
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  Speaker 1: I give you some of these some of these situations
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  Speaker 1: feel free to you know, give me as much of
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  Speaker 1: that context as far as how you're thinking about it,
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  Speaker 1: why you would think about it that way, even like
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  Speaker 1: things have happened to you in the past that have
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  Speaker 1: now color the way you make these decisions. I think
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  Speaker 1: that ends up being the most interesting stuff, you know. Yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 1: so so let's just get into it. And this is
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  Speaker 1: a situation that I'm gonna lay out here for you
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  Speaker 1: that I know you've You've been in this situation in
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  Speaker 1: the past. You've been in this scenario, and so imagine this.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine you get word of a giant deer. Someone on
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  Speaker 1: Instagram sends you a d M or something says, hey man,
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  Speaker 1: there is an absolute monster buck in my city, in
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  Speaker 1: my neighborhood. That's just next level. And I know you're
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  Speaker 1: into this kind of thing. If you're interested, you should
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  Speaker 1: come out check it out, see if you can get
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  Speaker 1: this buck. But this is this is not near where
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  Speaker 1: you live, so it's gonna require a drive, it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: require some some detective work. You know, nothing more than
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  Speaker 1: there's a big buck in this general area. That's all
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  Speaker 1: you've got. You don't have any access, you don't have
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  Speaker 1: any GPS coordinates, you don't have any hey, I know
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  Speaker 1: he lives in this property, none of that stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the question is this number one? Would you follow up
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  Speaker 1: on the lead like that, just like a random DM
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  Speaker 1: and a picture from somebody? Would you chase that down?
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  Speaker 1: And what would be your game plan for that question one? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's question one? Would you follow it up at number two?
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  Speaker 1: What's the game plan for getting in on that spot? Okay, Um,
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  Speaker 1: you're throwing you're throwing me a fastball down the middle here.
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  Speaker 1: This is uh, this is right my alley. That is Um.
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  Speaker 1: It's honestly, it's kind of a double EDGs over in
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  Speaker 1: a way because we have found I mean, the day
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  Speaker 1: is just social media. Everyone's got cell phones and they
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  Speaker 1: got really nice cameras. It's like pick just get spread
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  Speaker 1: around so fast with social media these days that, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty common that a lot of leads
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  Speaker 1: we find or stuff that maybe not that was sent
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  Speaker 1: to us necessarily like directly to us, but we saw
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  Speaker 1: posted on Facebook forums or some hunting forums or Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it be. Uh, there's a lot of information out there,
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  Speaker 1: and we do get sent a bunch of d m
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  Speaker 1: s about you know, people sharing deer and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: But it has also gone the opposite way for us,
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  Speaker 1: where I've gotten a d M and someone's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I saw a huge buck off of this road, like
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  Speaker 1: he ran across the road whatever or in this field,
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  Speaker 1: and you know you should definitely go pursue them. So
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  Speaker 1: I go spend you know, weeks trying to get permission
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  Speaker 1: there and running cameras just to get a picture of
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  Speaker 1: the deer. And it's like, you know one twenty, which
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  Speaker 1: is still a good deer, but you know, it's just
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  Speaker 1: it's not what we were, you know, looking for kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. So like we've I honestly cannot tell you
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  Speaker 1: how much time has been spent uh following up leads
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  Speaker 1: that go to dead ends. I would say the matt
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  Speaker 1: vast majority of them lead to dead ends. Um can't
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  Speaker 1: get permission or the deer's not you know what he
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  Speaker 1: thought he was. So whenever I do get a lead
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  Speaker 1: a d M or see something on social media, obviously
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  Speaker 1: like seeing a picture of the deer can confirm for
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  Speaker 1: you right then and there, like hey, that's a huge deer.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I like, I'll give you
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  Speaker 1: an example. Last year, there was a picture that went
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  Speaker 1: around Atlanta of this deer that is two I mean
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  Speaker 1: way over two hundred, but believable to be in Atlanta,
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  Speaker 1: and was told you know where it was. I spent
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  Speaker 1: weeks getting permission and running cameras trying to find this
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  Speaker 1: dear last summer just to find out this guy had
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  Speaker 1: posted it on a social media friends to say that
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  Speaker 1: he saw this huge deer in Atlanta and he just
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to own up to it. When I asked
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  Speaker 1: him like, hey, is that legit, he didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: own up to it and be like, no, man, I
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  Speaker 1: posted it as a joke. He totally just like for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, just didn't tell me the truth and was
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  Speaker 1: like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I saw this,
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  Speaker 1: you know huge deer blah blah blah, Like so I
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  Speaker 1: spent so much time wasted during that so um, there
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  Speaker 1: is a lot of that that happens, but it also
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  Speaker 1: is what leads you into finding some of these, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, crazy big deer. A current situation that you
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  Speaker 1: and I were talking about four we hit recorders. I'm
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  Speaker 1: chasing a deer in I'll be vague at the time,
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  Speaker 1: being in a in a northern state that is like
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  Speaker 1: I can't even describe how enormous he is, and I've
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  Speaker 1: I've gotten my own trail camp pictures of him. I
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  Speaker 1: plan on dedicating the vast majority of my season two
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  Speaker 1: this year. Uh, he will definitely be the biggest year
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  Speaker 1: I've ever hunted. And that all came from, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a combination of seeing some stuff on Facebook and getting
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  Speaker 1: a couple of d m sent to me like hey,
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  Speaker 1: there's this rumor, dear, and I just basically I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I haven't even answered your first question yet. Uh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you said you'd go after it, so that's the big one. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when you can confirm that the deer's legit, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean we're going after you know a lot of different dear.
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  Speaker 1: H So there's this big northern deer that's that you
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  Speaker 1: got wind of. Let's let's kind of play on this example,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. So you get wind of it, you confirm
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  Speaker 1: with a few people, like yeah, they they check this.
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  Speaker 1: This this deer he's rumored around here. How do you
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  Speaker 1: actually zero in? I mean, do you do you just
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  Speaker 1: spend a weekend and like start casting a wide net.
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  Speaker 1: Do you plan on multiple trips throughout the year, like
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  Speaker 1: what's that actually look like to find an out of
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  Speaker 1: state location like that and somehow zero in on a
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  Speaker 1: deer like this that you just vaguely know exists in
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  Speaker 1: the general region. So a lot of it is picture matching. Um,
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  Speaker 1: there was a deer I killed in Atlanta that was
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  Speaker 1: like the first real big deer as a deer we
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  Speaker 1: called Charlie's the first video we ever did. The reason
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  Speaker 1: I found that dear is because there was a picture
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  Speaker 1: of him standing in a parking lot. Uh and I
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  Speaker 1: was able to match the apartment complex, apartment and parking
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  Speaker 1: lot that he was in. So once I matched the picture,
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  Speaker 1: I knew right in and there boom, all right, it's
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  Speaker 1: a legit. So whenever we can, if you can match
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  Speaker 1: a picture, then you know, boom, all right, this is real,
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  Speaker 1: it's legit. This is where this deer was seen. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of it. A lot of that is boots on
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  Speaker 1: the g on so um. This particular northern deer was
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  Speaker 1: seeing him on Facebook, different forums. You're seeing all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of road names up there. And I drove up there
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  Speaker 1: and just started door knocking. And you know, after you
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  Speaker 1: talked to fifties, sixties, seventy different people, you start to
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  Speaker 1: you know, every door knock. I'm trying to get information.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, I've got a picture of
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  Speaker 1: this dear from social media, and I'll flash him a
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  Speaker 1: picture of it and be like, you know, have you
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  Speaker 1: even if it's a no, even they say no to hunting,
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  Speaker 1: I'll still you know, strike up a conversation with him,
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  Speaker 1: show him a picture, and you know, they can sometimes
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  Speaker 1: be like oh yeah, yeah, like I've totally seen that dear.
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  Speaker 1: He's huge, or they'll be like no, I've never really
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  Speaker 1: seen one that big. Um. And so that particular northern deer,
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  Speaker 1: just from door knocking, I was kind of able to
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  Speaker 1: match like, Okay, this person has never seen him, this
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  Speaker 1: person's ever seen him, this person claims they've seen one
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  Speaker 1: like him or probably seen him, and you part you
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  Speaker 1: start to kind of put the pieces of the puzzle together.
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  Speaker 1: And then eventually I ran into someone who actually had
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  Speaker 1: a picture on their phone of the deer, and that's
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  Speaker 1: how I confirmed that that's where you know, that was
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  Speaker 1: that deer's range. And then so then I just you know,
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  Speaker 1: hit it running from there and just kind of started
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  Speaker 1: to branch out and get as many cameras out in
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  Speaker 1: that in that particular area. Is there every situation like
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  Speaker 1: this Lee where there'll be a buck that's too well known,
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  Speaker 1: like everyone knows about it and multiple people are are
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  Speaker 1: are after will you ever pull out of the pull
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  Speaker 1: out of the contest because you just know it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a mess with nine other guys in there or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, I, um, I don't really like
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  Speaker 1: to hunt deer. They are they are well known. UM,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't like to start the pot with Karen's
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  Speaker 1: and people like that. I just I don't really if
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  Speaker 1: a deer is super well known, it's it's not like
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, you know, a target that particular dear
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  Speaker 1: I tried to find. Dear, they're not that well known.
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  Speaker 1: But there was a particular deer in Ohio that was
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  Speaker 1: pretty well known and he was probably two inches. Last year, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: a door knocked on a church and they had like
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  Speaker 1: six acres behind their church. I got the yes, I
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  Speaker 1: go back there, and the rubs I found were unreal,
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  Speaker 1: Like I've literally never seen the size rubs that I
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  Speaker 1: saw behind this church. And I was like, this has
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  Speaker 1: to be that buck. And uh. As I was walking
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  Speaker 1: out there and sticking a camera out, I actually had
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  Speaker 1: a guy that was currently hunting that deer two houses over.
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  Speaker 1: He's probably, you know, a couple hundred yards away, saw
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  Speaker 1: me walk out from his stand and put a camera up.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even see. The guy ended up making a
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  Speaker 1: condor becoming buddies with him, and he's hunted the deer
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  Speaker 1: for several years, and I just was like one out
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  Speaker 1: of respect for him and he's put in several years
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  Speaker 1: hunting this deer. I was like, you know what, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, interfere with your hunt for
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  Speaker 1: this dear, but too, I don't want to sit in
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  Speaker 1: the stand and be looking at this guy every single
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  Speaker 1: time that we go to hunt and just kind of
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  Speaker 1: way at each other and be like, hey, what, dude, like,
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  Speaker 1: that's not I don't really like that. It's not really
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  Speaker 1: my style, and so I backed off of that, dear.
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  Speaker 1: This year, he's two, wow, I can I can? Can
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  Speaker 1: we say I have a spot to hunt a two
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  Speaker 1: hundred fifty inch dear? But I have chosen not to.
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  Speaker 1: You're a little crazily but I respect you for it.
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  Speaker 1: Um so that this is exactly my next question. So
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  Speaker 1: you just you just answered my next scenario. But what
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  Speaker 1: if I were to pivot a little bit on what
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  Speaker 1: you just described there? So so imagine you've got an
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  Speaker 1: amazing spot like that where you know there's a big deer,
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  Speaker 1: You've got him on camera, he seems dialed in, and
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  Speaker 1: you feel good about it. But you go in there
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  Speaker 1: to hunt. In this situation here is that it's not
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  Speaker 1: another guy that has permission, but you spot a trespasser
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  Speaker 1: that comes in, so you're hunting. You catch a trespasser
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  Speaker 1: coming in that's trying to hunt the same spot. What
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  Speaker 1: do you do in that scenario? Do you a do
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  Speaker 1: you confront him or not? And then be when that's
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  Speaker 1: all done, do you do you back out as well
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  Speaker 1: because you know that this guy is messing around or
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  Speaker 1: is that a scenario where you will still push it
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  Speaker 1: because you're hoping to get rid of him or or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So if I have a scenario where I'm hunting, this
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  Speaker 1: actually happened to me last year in Tennessee. Um, if
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  Speaker 1: i have a scenario where I'm hunting and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I run into a trespasser, the first thing I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: do is I'm gonna confront him, not in an aggressive way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go up to him and have a
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  Speaker 1: conversation with him. I'm I'm not gonna you know, I
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: don't know who you're walking You don't know, you never
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: know who you're walking up on. They've obviously got a
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: bow and arrow with some weapon. It's like the last
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: thing you need to go do is go add fuel
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: to a fire and just you know, be aggressive. But yeah,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I'm go have a conversation with the guy, and I'll
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: obviously let him know like, hey, this is property I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: have written permission to be on. I'll make sure that he,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: you know, the landowner hadn't given permission to someone else
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. And so if I know that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: he's you know, not supposed to be there, I'll ask him,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: like respectfully to leave. Um, But if it takes a
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: step further or like you know, I'm not going to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: call the game warden for like just right off the cuff.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a conversation with this dude and see
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: if I can just handle it myself first. Um, And
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: if it continues to be an issue from there, I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: feel like that's when you probably have to, you know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: contact the landowner and see kind of what they wanted
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: to do about it. So, um, I would. But you're saying,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: like with him pressuring the de year, would you move
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: on from that area? Yeah? Like so, so you're not
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: backing out out of respect like you would with the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: other person. So when this case, would you back up
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: just because you think it's busted or would you keep trying?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I would, depending on how much pressures in there, Um,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I would probably back out completely. I'd run a lot
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: of cameras and you know, see if that deer is
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: kind of getting comfortable being back in there, and then
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I would kind of make my approach. I definitely would
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: not keep pushing it. If there's been a lot of
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: human activity in that area, I would back out. Let
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: everything settle down in there. Um. And sometimes that's weeks
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: before you know, things start to kind of return to normal. Yeah,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: But I've also had areas that, you know, some of
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the some of the places that we originally hunted in
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Atlanta sixteen years ago, we're absolute honey hooles. And now
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of hunting pressure in some of these
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: places and it's kind of ruined some of these areas
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: that these these deer are very keen to human presence.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: And there hadn't been a shooter buck in one of
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: these places that used to have two or three every
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: year and years because these bucks no, you know, hey,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I'm experiencing hunting pressure here. Everyone avoid that likes they
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: just know to avoid that area. Um, I think if
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that I think if that area has left alone for
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: a year or two, that it would return to normal.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: But um, these deer are super super good at finding
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: where there's pressure and where there's not. Like they're unreal
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: at finding where they're left alone and where they're experiencing pressure.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So would that in mind here here's the situation that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: things kind of tied into that. Let's imagine you're you're
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: in your home turf. Now you're back back locally, and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: there's a spot where you've had a big giant buck
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: on camera for an entire year previous and for whatever reason,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: you didn't go after him, but you've been following him.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: You know he's there. He's pretty consistent. The summer arrives.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: You continue getting pictures of him all through the summer
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: up until two weeks before opening day, and for those
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: two weeks prior to opening day, no pictures. Ye, nothing.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Opening day arrives, you still don't have pictures of him.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: When you look at that first day, are you going
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to hunt blindly in these places where he used to
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: be or are you now at this point in search
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: mode and you don't hunt and in our stead trying
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: to find where he is? Which would yeah, I am
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: absolutely not hunting that spot. Um, I would be leaving
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: that place alone, because your first set is always your
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: best set and if you plan on hunting that spot
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: or like you know, if he happens to come back,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you know, during the rut or whatever, and you've already
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: had a lot of those deers start to pattern you
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: like where you're parking, where you're coming in, where you're
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: exiting those other does and younger bucks in there, like
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: if they're already patterning. You you know, you're you're really
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: affecting that area, even if he's in there or not.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I believe, and I don't want any of those dear
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: to be aware of my presence and me going in
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and out at all. So if he's not in there
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and I haven't seen him, sure you can get lucky
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and the day he happens to come back, you're there.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But I'm in that situation, I'm never hunting there. I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: feel like my time is better spent being back in
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: search mode, getting more spots, getting new cameras out and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: finding kind of where he's at. H I rarely am
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: ever hunting. I'm rarely ever putting in sits where I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm in the game, Because if I
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm in the game, I'm just kind
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of doing more harm than good to that area. So
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: in that scenario, the week the seven days prior, what
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: does search mode look for you for this seven days
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: prior to that hunt? I mean, I'm curious, like how
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: many days are you doing something? What do you what
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: actually is the time component? Like how much time are
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you spending on any one of these outings? Is it
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: just door knocking? How many doors would you try, Like,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: what's the scale of the net you would try to cast?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Now at this point, what would that look like in
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that seven days prior? So I would obviously get back
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: on my maps and be kind of looking at, you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: where potentially he could have gone, uh, you know, in
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: places I haven't been um And I will door knock
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and get as many cameras out as I possibly can
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: until I get a picture of him. Sometimes that's I've
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: had fifteen spots to hunt one particular dear before um so.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: But sometimes that's not the case. Sometimes I've only got
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: two or three spots that I've got to hunt end dear,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm seeing him on those cameras. Um So, in
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that scenario, he's been gone for seven days, Like seriously,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: even if it's opening day, I'm not hunting. He hadn't
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: been in there. I'm not hunting. I'm door knocking, getting
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: more cameras out, getting more eyes in the woods, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: trying to relocate kind of where he went. So I'm
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: kind of starting to cast a small net, you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: going a quarter mile or less, um and then you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: kind of branching out from there. So I kind of
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: just slowly kind of worked my way out until I
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: happened to stumble upon kind of where he's gone. But
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the crazy part is, and this is extremely common and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: these areas, is that the week of the season, it
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: just seems like these dear no and they change their pattern.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: And I've I've had dear go three or four miles
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and completely relocate from their summer area right at at
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: beginning time for him of the season. And it's like
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you almost have to get just extremely lucky too, you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: refined that deer. So a lot of times, you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: if a deer goes missing, like we try our best
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to relocate them, but a lot of times we don't.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And sometimes they'll return later in the year, um and
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: we have a chance to hunt him then, but sometimes
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: we It's kind of one of those things where it's like, yeah,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: we have this deer in the summer, but when he
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: breaks for the season, like, for the life of me,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I have no idea where he goes. M how much
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: time would you give a buck like that, Like how
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: long would you invest in trying to rEFInd before you
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: pull the plug? Is it? I mean, I'm sure it's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: dependent on the deer and stuff. Like that. But what's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: your typical amount of effort you'll put in until you
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: finally decide and it's just not it's not gonna happen. Well,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: if it's a big enough dear, it doesn't ever end.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Uh you know, it's it's uh well obviously, I mean,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to find something else to hunt.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: But if it's a big enough dear, I'll will spend
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the whole year, uh you know, continue to get new
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: spots and just kind of hope, hope that we stumble
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: upon them. Um, so I would, I would kind of
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: say that it's almost never ending. Okay, So so what
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: about this? Then let's let's take a different approach. Let's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: say the buck is showing up, and how about we'll
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: go back to your northern buck example. You've zeroed in
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: on him. You put so much time and energy into
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: this situation, and he's daylighting like he's a buck that's
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: showing up on your cameras. It's early October, he's in daylight.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: The couple of previous days, you head in for a hunt,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you feel good about it, You get in their access
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: feels great, everything feels great. No show doesn't show up
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and you gotta go home, said, you head home, you
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: give opportunity now, like the following weekend maybe to make
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the trip again, and lo and behold, you're getting a
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: couple of days of daily pictures again leading up to
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: your next trip. Conditions are good. You're heading for the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: second hunt of the year, feeling great again. No show,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: this happens a third time. You stick around. You hunt
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: again that next day because still the wind is good,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you feel confident about your access. You've now had three
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: hunts after this buck, all of them following up daylight
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: trail camera pictures. But he's not shown up any one
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of those times. You go in. What do you do
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: in that scenario? Will you continue on your current path
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: with the same access, the same ideas you've had, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: just hope that you know it's gonna turn out, or
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: at what point do you pull the plug and say
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: he's onto me, I'm I need to do something different. Uh.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That's a really good question, and kind of like I
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: said earlier, these dear, I don't I think we don't
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: give him enough credit sometimes for how good they are
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: at patterning you. And I cannot tell you how many
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: times that happens to us. It happens every year. You
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: know that we get a here on camera, he's consistent.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: All right, we're green lighting to go hunt him. We
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: go sit nothing, you know, sit again, nothing, and it's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: like the days that we pull out, he's daylighting again.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Go back in there. And even even if you think
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you're doing everything perfect, like you do everything to the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: best of your ability, and he's still not showing he's
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: onto in my opinion, Um, and that's where if that
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: happens two or three times, that is where I'm going
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to take a step back and be like, all right,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I gotta rethink what I'm doing here of how I'm
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: accessing access to these places is almost as important as anything.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Um I hunted a d or here's here's kind of
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: an example for you. And this was this was probably
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: four or five years ago. And like we're always still
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: learning every single year, we're learning new things. Uh, we
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: definitely don't have it figured out. Like we don't have
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: it all figured out. There are things to learn every year,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and you need to be a sponge to try and
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: absorb any lessons to be learned from every hunt, every situation.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Question I had a deer. This was probably I think
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: four years ago and that exact scenario that deer is
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: in there. He loved this area, but every time I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: was in there, he was never there, never be found.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: And I hunted fifty times in a in a seat
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: in one season. I sat fifty sits, parking my truck
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: in the same parking spot and accessing the woods the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: same way. And every single time I'd go to sit,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I would not see that dear and every time and
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: be gone. He'd come through like it was nothing, and
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: he was he was so confident and when I was
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: there and when I wasn't, Like he loved that area,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: but he was so confident and he knew my my
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: pattern and what I was doing that when he knew
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I wasn't there, he was like, you know, daylight, middle
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: of the day, there all the time. Uh. And so
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I've I've sat fifty times. And at the end of
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the season, I was like, or actually what happened was
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: later in the year, I pulled my truck up to
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: my parking spot. I hadn't even gotten out of the car,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and I heard a dear blow like you know, way
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: in the woods, way down deep into this ravine and stuff,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, sign of a bit, they figured out
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: where I'm parking, and so that's when it kind of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: clicked in my head. I was like, they've they've figured
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: me out. And so this was late in the year January.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I'd gone this whole season accessing and parking the same spot,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and I had changed my trees, like I had changed
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the tree. I had my stand in like three or
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: four times in this area, thinking, oh, you know, they
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: pegged me in that tree, or I'm gonna make my
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: access shorter. And so instead of going, you know, a
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: hundred yards in the woods, I'm gonna go forty yards
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: into the woods, just like changing things up, you know.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: But what it was was where I was parking and
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: walking in like they had it figured out. So I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: sat fifty times accessing and parking from that same spot.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I let my I let the area layoff, let my
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: cameras roll in the there. He came back in there,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: he settled in there, got comfortable. I asked the landowner
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: if I could access from the opposite side of the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: property just one time, and I killed a deer the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: first set changing. And it was because he I actually
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: used what he had figured out about me. I had
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: is that against him because he was like, if that
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: truck doesn't pull up in that spot, we're good to go.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: And that day, that truck didn't pull up in that spot,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and he got up like he was good to go,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and that's when I killed him. So where was he?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Did you see where he betted or where he came from?
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Did you do you kind of understand how he had
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you pegged? Once he saw what he actually did. He
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: was betting literally right next to where my truck would park.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So when I was pulling my truck in, that's where
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: he was. He was he was He knew it immediately
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and then and then would leave. There was no second guessing.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: When I was in there. As soon as the truck
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: was there, he was twenty yards from the truck boom gone.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Is that a thing you have you ever seen anything
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: like that before? Where these big old deer actually figure
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: out that betting closer to human access is safer from
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: like a surveillance standpoint. Is that a thing you've seen before? Absolutely,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: which which makes them And that's that's kind of what's
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Tricky's like, Uh, this so this deer up north, Uh,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: this real big one I'm talking about, he will stroll
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: through people's yards no problem. And seeing the videos and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: pictures and stuff, like, you're like, where's the challenge in
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: hunting that deer. But when I went up there and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: started door knocking all of the large blocks of woods,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: like the obvious blocks of woods to go door knock,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: con every single one of them has hunters, and that
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: deer is purposely avoiding those large blocks of woods. Like
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: instead of taking a creek through all these woods to
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: get from one block of woods to the other, he'll
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: roll through people's yards to get from point A to
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: point B because he's like, I know, I can't be
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: messed with here. And he's experienced pressure. He actually got
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: shot last year by a hunter and it didn't kill him.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: They hit him in no man's land, um, And so
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I know he's experienced all this this hunting pressure in
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: these places and he's very clearly avoiding them. So yeah,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, but to kind of really answer your question, yeah, absolutely,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Like these dear uh, they bed where they can know
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: that the area they're gonna get up, get up and
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: go spend time in, Uh, they know that it's not
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: been tampered with, So they will they will position themselves
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: in places where they're able to kind of be aware
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: of what's happening in there. All right, Well, let's say
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you're up north, You're in one of these spots, You're
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: up in your tree, and here he comes. He pops
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: out of a little piece of brush on the edge
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: of the yard or something. You had your access just right,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and he's at sixty five yards heading your direction. Walk
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: me through through what is going on in your head,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Like specifically, do you say anything to yourself? Do you
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: have a mantra? Do you what? When do you reach
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: for your bow? How are you going to be thinking
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: about these next ten seconds when the biggest buck of
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: your life is rolling in You even invested so much
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: time and energy into There's gotta be pressure. There's gotta
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: be stress. How do you manage that? What do you do?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: So early on in my hunting career was pretty brutal
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: on me, uh, to the point where like multiple times
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to just hang it up and quit
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: because I was experiencing like heartache after heartache because you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: when I was sixteen and stumbled upon Drew and I
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: stumbled upon the Atlanta thing. Uh, you know, we have
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: real big deer to hunt and so it's like, you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't really grow up on a hunting family. So
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: if it weren't for stumbling onto the door knocking thing,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: never would have fallen in love with hunting. But that
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: being said, I didn't have someone teaching me from day one.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: You know, hey, wait for the deer to do this
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: or this or that. And so I was making mistakes.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I can shoot my bow and hit hit
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: a you know, the target as good as good as
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: you want, but when it's a deer's in front of you,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: it's a total different scenario. You gotta read the deer's
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: body language, you gotta read what angle he's at. You know,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: there's so much that goes into making a well placed shot,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: an effective kill shot on an animal. Um, I wasn't
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: really prepared for that. And so I was you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: hitting deer uh, and you know, hit a deer in
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the shoulder or in no man's lander or a quarter
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: two or he's like you know, alert and ducks, and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: just I wasn't. I also like I had a hard time.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I wasn't hugging the shoulder. I would kind of pay
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: nick and I would be like kind of back off
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the shoulder. A bit, and uh, you know, I end
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: up hitting dear like in the liver and stuff like that,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and just uh, it made for some really tragic, like
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: heartbreaker stories on really nice bucks. It's not like, you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I messed up on a dough. Um, although that sucks,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: it's not as as gut wrenching is if it's as
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: if it's a hundred fifteer. So like my early early on,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: my career like was full of just mistakes, mistakes, mistakes,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it was due to
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: rushing the situation. Um, things just started happening so fast
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't control my head and things would rush,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and I'd rush into a shot that was not an
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: effective shot. And I should have been patient and I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: should have waited. So there's kind of a combination of things.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Now you have to be paid patient and take the
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: right shot, but you also have to be aggressive when
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: that shot opportunity happens. You can't hesitate. Um, when I
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: see that, Dear, I'm trying to slow everything down as
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: as best as I possibly can. I'm trying to slow
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: everything down in my head. Uh, And that's really all
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I'm focusing on, is slowing things down, slowing things down.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Focus on the focus on killing deer. Focus on killing deer.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Be patient, but slow it down, Slow it down, because
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of mistakes are made when people
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: just rushed the moment because they're jacked up. So like,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I try to force myself to slow down. Um. But
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest things that I've done that has
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: helped me just become better at just killing deer is, uh,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: shooting a ton of doze. We've got a pile of
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: does here, and when you shoot ten does a year,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: you get to feeling that confidence that you're just just
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: feel deadly. And so I've kind of got that confidence
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: with me now where it's like if a deer is
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: sixty yards and then he's in my mind, I have
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: that confidence like he's dead. And that comes from shooting
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of deer, shooting does. Um. It's just kind
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: of that confidence that you have, like that you kind
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: of carry with you. So I like, if I had
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: to give any advice to someone kind of getting into
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: this or or starting into bow hunting, is like, don't
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: jump right into it and try to kill a hundred
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: fifty deer, Like go on a go on a place
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: where you know, you can shoot a dough you know,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: kind of go through and find find the motions that
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: work for you, on on what calms you down, and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: kind of the system you have that helps you put,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you know, an efficient shot on a deer so that
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you're kind of ready for when that moment happens, because
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: it's it's impossible to replicate that just adrenaline dump when
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: you lay eyes on a deer you're after. Yeah, that's true.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: But my big thing is I'm just I'm just trying
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to slow things down. Focus on really just slowing it down.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Is there any trick or I mean, like I guess
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the question that I'm still wondering about it is like
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: how do you actually slow it down? Because like, like
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I intellectually know I need to slow it down the moment,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: but it's a lot harder to know I need to
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: slow it down versus like figuring out a way to
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: hit the brakes and actually make my crazy mind do
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that in that high pressure situation. Like, do you have
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: any thing that you always do to force the slowing?
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Not really? Um, I mean I've remembered several times where
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like I've had a deer in range and he was
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: like facing me for a long time, and I remember
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, I've got to pretend like
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: this isn't happening, Like I've got to put myself somewhere else,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: like I'm on the beach, I'm doing something like I'm
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: having a beer. I'm not you know, I'm I'm doing
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: anything I can to be like I'm not here right now.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it really works or not. I
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: don't think it does. But um, the only thing I'm
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: really doing when you know, I see a deer like that,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: is I'm trying to I'm I'm telling myself in my
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: head be patient, Like be patient, be patient, be patient,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: but be ready. It's like, I'm ready to kill that
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: deer at any second, but be patient, be patient, like
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: wait for the right shot. And you know, don't. I'm
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to force a shot and take a
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: marginal hit on an animal. Um, you know, I would
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: rather take the chance of I'm gonna get back on
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: that deer at another time then you know, put a
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: really bad hit on a deer. Ah. So I'm I'm
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: pretty much just telling myself be patient in my head. Yeah, Well,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I hate to do this to you. But I'm gonna
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna force you to consider tragedy again, okay, because
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I want to know what you would do. And this
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: is a situation that actually happened to me last Yearly.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I went on my first urban deer hunt last year,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and was that with Taylor? Yeah? Yeah, it went with Taylor,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and I got a shot at a deer and the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: hit looked good in the moment um, but the blood
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: trail wasn't as the arrow, and the blood trail was
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: not as good as I was hoping it would be.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: It did not match what I thought I saw in
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: my mind's eye. So it's getting worse and worse and worse.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And we follow that blood trail all the way to
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: a property line, and I have to go and find
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the property owners and get permission. So I go to
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the door, knock on the door, and the landowner is
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: like wigging out, like no way, I'm calling the cops
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: on you. There's no way you can track the here.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: What do you do in this scenario like that where
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you have hit a deer, it's crossed the line and
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the landowner won't give you permission. Whether it be like
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: just freaking out like that or I've be curious what
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: they do. What you would do in my situation where
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the cops were called and came out, how would you
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: handle that. I'm really glad that your first urban experience
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: the cops are called experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, full experience. Um. So,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I've actually never had a situation where a homeowner has
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: refused or landners refused to let me retrieve a dear.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I assume the reason that that that they are not
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: wanting you to track is because they're anti hunting. Maybe
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: they like the deer um, they have a heart for
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the deer, and so I'm trying to, you know, play
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: into that of whether or not they agree with hunting.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: What's done, what's happened, has happened. They can't change that
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I've shot this dear. The situation we have is that
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: you either let me retrieved this deer, or the deer
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: can be put to use and we can use the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: meat and it and all of the deer's used, or
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: you can have the situation where that deer rots and
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: goes to a complete and total waste and having that
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: talk track that conversation, Like, I've never had issues retrieving
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: deer because even if they're adamantly opposed to it. Uh,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: they still don't want the deer to completely rot and
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: go to waste. That being said, if someone was still
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: just extremely emotional about it, I'd let him call the cops.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I would. I would probably encourage them McCaul a, cops, um,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you know, and then that way I could be like, look,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you could have a conversation with the cops. I'm sure
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: that the cop would be like, look, you know, I
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: could probably call that person down and be like, you know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: we are where we are, the deer's back there, you know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: can we did? He would. He would probably try to
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: encourage the lanterner to be like, let's not let this
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: deer go to rot. Let's get out of here. Get
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: it out of here, and you know, we can kind
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: of address the hunting issue later. But I would tell
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: him to call the cops. I deal with the cops
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: a lot, so so in my case, the cops were
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: really cool. Um, but the landowners still didn't want us
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: around there. But the situation was different than what you described,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: was that we didn't know if the deer was dead
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: in there, and it ended up being that the blood
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: trail actually hugged the line and we were able to
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: pick up blood on another neighbor's property right off the edge,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and that lander did give us permission, but the trail
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: dried up after that and we never recovered the deer.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: So that was that's that is one of the toughest
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: parts of There's just there's so many different things that
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: are tough about suburban hunting. One is like tight property lines.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: You know, you're having to talk to everyone involved. Two
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: is you know, you're just dealing with a lot of
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: people and you just getting a lot of mixed opinions
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: about what you're doing, whether they're against it or for it.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: And you know, I would much rather, uh have a
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: few hundred acres or a thousand acres where you didn't
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: have to worry about that. But um, you know, this
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: was kind of a the urban game is kind of
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the cards we were dealt. We're making the most of it,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: and it's definitely something I've fallen in love with. Even
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: though there are a significant amount of stresses to come
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: along with it. You certainly made the most of it. Definitely,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: it's not for everyone, Like I I totally get that. Um,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: you know, some people don't want to deal with with
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: the reason they're going hunting is to get away from people,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: not to deal with more of them. So, uh, you know,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I definitely get that. Some people are like, look, the
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: urban thing not my deal, And I don't blame them
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: at all. It's a it's it takes us us actual
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: kind of hunter. Um, you know, they can tolerate and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: kind of deal with that stuff. And and again, I
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: think it goes back to you know, everyone's hunting means
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of things to different people. And if you're
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: doing it to get lost on some big woods where
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: you're not having to deal with people, then and that's
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: your thing, like, go for it. But for me, I
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: grew up in a city and for me to get
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: lost on ten acres is the next best thing where
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I'm getting away from people. So it's uh yeah, it's
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: definitely different. It's not for everybody. I totally get that,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: and uh, I'm I'm getting a lot of changing perspectives
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: on it too, because, um, you know, we just went
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: to Hawaii and did a lot of spot and stock stuff.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: We just got back from Utah and did some scouting
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: for like mule do you're out there. I'm going to
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Kansas this year. I hunted North Dakota last year, which is,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: you know, the middle of nowhere, and uh, I definitely
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: get where if you know, I grew up hunting, some
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: of those are big areas where I would kind of
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: be like, you know, not wanting to get into the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: urban game. Yeah, it's a different whole, different ball of wax.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: That's ah, that's for certain. Do you think you'll do
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: it again? You know, I kind of fall into the
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: camp of the person you describe, which is I like
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: hunting because I like to get away from people. So
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I actually grew up like I learned a bow hunt
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: in a semi urban scenario, Like I had three acres
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: behind my parents house and that's where I first bowhunted,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: And the first deer I ever killed was on those
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: three acres after a couple and their dog came walking
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: past me ten yards in front of my blind. It's
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: like I did that. I have some experience, and I
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: see the redeeming qualities. But if I have a non
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: urban opportunity, which I currently do, I prefer that over
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: that situation just because of the stresses of people, and
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I don't always like being around people, I guess. So yeah,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of added stress to it, but so
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. It's also still super supporting it. Yeah, I
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: can see the appeal. I'm not ruling out going back.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: It's definitely I have, like I have that personality trait
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: we're if I don't quite get it figured out that
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: first time, that kind of gnaws at me until I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: can figure it out. So I still think that's a possibility,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: but I can tell you it won't be this year.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I'm taking at least this year off. I can breathe, regroup,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and then we'll readdress the situation. Here's another one I
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: got for it leave and this is this is one
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: that I ask a lot of people a question like
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: this because it's a scenario that I come up across
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: hunting in you know, various Midwestern places and stuff, and
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm wondering if it's different for you in an
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: urban situation than it would be for me on a
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: hundred acre farm in the Midwest. So here's the deal.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Let's say it's November and you are on the ground
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: scouting a spot. I don't know why you're scouting, but
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: let's say you just had to move into a new prop.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe you just got to access on this property and
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: you're walking it for the first time. You get out
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: there and you find just a dynamite spot, like it's
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: a spot that screams big buck. It's a it's like
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: a funnel type location where stuff converges into a relatively
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: narrow area. There's good trails dumping into this spot. There's
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: dough betting up wind of it, and there's just ripped
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: up scrapes and rubs like all the things you dream about.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: It's all here. It looks great, but there's a problem.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: The problem is that there's not a good tree with
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: an easy range of this like perfect little convergence of
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: these trails in this little narrow spot. So you've got
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: two tree options. You've got one tree out and that
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: is at twenty yards from this spot where there's a
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: huge scrape and the three trails that all come together,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: so you could be perfectly twenty yards from this spot.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: The problem with the tree is that it is a
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: bean pole. It is super skinny, there's zero cover on it,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: and there's one other trail that's on the down wind
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: side of that as well, and you know that there's
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: a chance that there could be deer coming down wind
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: of you. And it's not you know, you're still you're
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: downwind of the best of the best, but no cover
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: in the tree, and there's still a chance that someone
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: could get behind you. So that's one option. The second
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: option is a perfect tree. It's like a scrubby oak
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: tree with all sorts of branches coming out of it,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and there's still leaf cover and you could get up
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: in there and they'll never see you. And it's downwind
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: of all the trails, and there's a little bit of
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: water that's a water feature behind you, let's say, like
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: a pond or a creek or something, so you feel
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: very confident that nothing's gonna wind you. And know, by
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: the way, this is a high deer density area, so
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: there are a deer, a lot of deer moving around.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: So my question for you, Lee is do you take
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: the easy shot tree that's close to the convergence but
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: has these risks, or do you say, I'd rather be
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: super safely downwind of everything and risk this dear being
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: you know, forty four yards away instead of twenty. What
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: would you do in that case? Uh, that's a enough
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: brainer to me. I'm taking the treat it as further
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: away but more ideal and I guess you could sort
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: of like for me personally, I'm comfortable shooting to to
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: you know, forty yards um. But for someone who's not,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I would still say use the tree that's far off
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: of the you know, the scrape and then in the
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: combining of trails and stuff, because you can almost treat
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that your sits as like an observation set, so you
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: at least know that you're not going in there and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: blowing stuff off up and busting stuff up and you know,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: blowing deer out trying to get that perfect twenty yard shot.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Ease your way into it. I would start in that
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: tree that's further off, and if you sit there a
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: couple of times and you know, you do a couple
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: of observation sets even and you kind of learned like, okay,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: these are where the deer coming from. I do think
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I could get away with being in that beans or
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: that poultry. Um, then you could maybe make an adjustment there.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: But I definitely would not barge in and uh, you know,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: be making your presence super known and kind of be
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: risking blowing a bunch of deer out. I would rather
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: play it safe and kind of ease my way into it.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I also think that we use mock scrapes a lot,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: So I would like to get in that tree. That's
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: a lot better. Your winds better, your access is better,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: your cover is better. I'd throw in a mock scrape
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: twenty five yards from that tree and see if they
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: start to take to it, uh, and then you know,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: kind of go from there. So interesting. You can also
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: call too, I mean you can rattle and potentially call
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: it you're in the shooting range. But I definitely And
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: that's again, that's just personally, that's my style. Like I
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: want to try and be as smart, and I'm almost
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: like I almost overthink every situation, uh, because I'm so
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: paranoid that these deer are going to be aware of
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: my presence. Is there ever a situation like that where
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: because of the proximity of other people, like specifically with wind.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: One of the things I wondered about my urban hunt
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: was can I get away with more from a wind perspective,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: because even if they're not used to people walking down
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: into the creek bottom, there's kids playing on the edge
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: of the yard fifty yards away, and the wind's got
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to blow in there a lot, And can I get
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: away with the wind being a little bit more funky
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: than I would in other places, Like, would you like
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: take that same scenario, but let's adjust it just a
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: little bit and just say, like the big limiting factor
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: now is just like it's down the bottom and the
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: wind's gonna swirl. You think, like it's a steep little bottom.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: There's two yards on either side of the creek, but
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: the deer are traveling down the creek bottom. Would you
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: risk a swirly whirly wind down there? Or do you
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: think like you can get away with that sometimes because
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: of the urban you know, stuff going on, So I think, yeah,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a there's one of the big misconceptions
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: with urban deers that oh, you don't have to worry
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: about your wind. They smell people all the time. They're
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: used to it. Well, they're used to smelling people and
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: being and being able to identify where that that smell,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: that source is coming from. So if they smell kids
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: playing in the yard and the kids are making noise
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: and moving around and they sit there and they're seeing them,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: that's no issue to them. But when they're walking through
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: the woods and where you know, times out of a hundred,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: they're not smelling someone that they can't see, and all
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're walking through the woods, they get
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: a whiff of a human and they're like, where where
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: is he? Where is he can't find I can't see him.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: That's when they're they're busting you. We get busted all time. Um.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I had a situation last year where I'm on a
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: doe hunt's late season and you know, I had this
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: deer catch my wind. She blew and kind of ran
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: back like I don't know, eighty yards and she was
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: standing like ten ft below this person's deck, like right
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: behind their garage door and stuff, looking in my direction,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: like trying to find me. And I'm like, in my head,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like those people, like she has to smell humans
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: at that house. There's like there's no doubt they there.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Those people are in their yard. I'm sure they're on
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: their back deck. Like she's she has smelled people at
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: that house, yet she's standing there. Are about to blow
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: at me and blow out of here because she smelled
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: a human. But the difference was she couldn't find where
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I was, and that wasn't normal. So she blew out
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: of there and was standing next to a house that
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: has probably covered in human scent, but you know, the
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: human scent there she's able to identify with that house,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: but she's still wind checking me blow, you know, lifting
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: her nose up in the air, wind checking me, uh
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: from where I'm hiding in the woods, trying to find
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: where I'm at because she identified that human smell where
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: it's not supposed to be. So they're really good at
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you know. So my point is that, yes, your your
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: wind and scent is still super super important in these
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: urban areas. I do think think there are situations where
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: dose are potentially more tolerant um if they're around people
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: a ton, like a ton in parks or whatever. Um.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I've definitely had situations where like a dough
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: has smelled me and is not cared as much as
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: like a deer on you know, a thousand acres. But
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: the vast majority uh, these deer are extremely keen to
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: human scent where it's coming from. If they can't find it,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: they'll blow out of there. It's so interesting how they
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: can there. There's this threshold that they figure out that
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: they know it's when it's safe or not. And if
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: you just seem to cross that line a little bit.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: If it's not we're expected, it's uh, it's alarm bells
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: running fast. And what I've noticed this is for anywhere
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: that you're hunting. We're we're just hunting Hawaii, and we
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: were hunting access dear, and we were hiking kind of
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: in these mountain areas, uh spot and stalking these access
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: to here, and there's hiking trails. Uh you know that
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: people go on on occasion, and um, you know, if
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: we were walking around and stuff, the person we're with
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: who's hunted there, his entire life is trying to mimic
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: a walker, a hiker. He's like parking by this bench
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: his truck by this bench where people parked to picnic
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: and making noise on purpose and acting like this is
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: just you know, we're not a hunter. We're just here
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: on a picnic. We do the same stuff back home,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: like you're trying to not act like a predator. So
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: if I had landed a brand new hunting spot, then
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: it's November and it's prime time, and I really don't
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: want to go in there and blow the area out.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I'll walk in there and purposely be having a conversation
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: with myself. I'll be talking like making noise on purpose.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: And if I see a deer, I'm not making eye
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: contact with him at all. I'm barely even looking at him,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and they'll identify you as like, you know, oh, I've
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: seen this before, as some person that's you know, strolled
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: through the woods that is just exploring or whatever. They'll
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: kind of associate you with like that's just what that was,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: as opposed to Okay, this person is acting like a predator.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: They're quiet, they're slipping around, They're paying a lot of
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: attention to me. They're looking at me a lot. You know.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I remember one of the biggest year I've ever killed.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: It was a two inch deear like six or seven
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: years ago, same exact scenario. I got a new spot.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: The deer went missing, he ran to his rut area,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: couldn't find him, trying to really locate him. I get
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: a spot. I walked down in this ravine and I'm
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: talking to myself, and he pops up across the ravine
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: like a hundred fifty two hundred yards away, and it's
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: unmistakably him. And instead of sitting there like trying to
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: get pictures or through my binos or anything like that,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: or paying him any attention. I literally just looked away
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: and walked back up the hill and back up there
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: and just like pretended like I never saw him, paid
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: zero attention, And he didn't give He didn't care at
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: all that he had just had that experience with me.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: He didn't associate it all with like danger. I think
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: these deer no when you're like paying them attention. Yeah,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I think you can take that same kind of approach.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: You even apply it to you know, farm country or something.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: But in that case it's you know, the farmer that
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: they're used to, or the dirt bikers or whatever it is.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: There's different ways you can blend in with what's normal.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Just figure out what's the normal thing they're used to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: use that to your advantage. Alright, Lee, you've made it
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: through the main gauntlet of the what would you do? Trials?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: But now we've got the rapid fire final round here.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you a series of quick questions
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: and I'm looking for a one word answer from you,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: just your gut thought right out the gate. All right,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: here we go. Number one, does the moon matter to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: dear movement? Yes? Or no? Yes? Would you take a
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: fifty yards shot at a white tell with your bow
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: yes or no? Yes? If you could only have one
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: of these tools for the rest of your hunt, which
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: would it be rattling anglers or grunt to rattling antlers,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: expandable or fixed blade broadheads? Oh um, I'm undecided currently?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Oh wow? All right? Should you stop a buck that's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: moving with some kind of sound before shooting with your bow? Yes?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Or no? Profitably? Now all right, here's the last one.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: You can you can give more than a one word answer,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: or you should give more than a one word answer
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: on this last one. Let's say that I rule the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: world and I'm going to take away your hunting privileges
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: for the rest of your lifely unless unless you can
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: kill a five year old buck this year, but you
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: only get one day to do it. You get one
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: day to hunt. You can pick any location in any place,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: in any kind of stand site you want. Tell me
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: the date on the calendar you would choose for this hunt,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: and describe for me like your perfect scenario for this
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: very high pressure, high stakes hunt. You're gonna tell you location.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't need to tell me the specific location,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: but like I would do this state this kind of
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: spot you know on this date, would you know, whatever
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: date you think would give your best chance. I would
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: go November four, and I would have to go with
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: my bread and butter in Atlanta. Uh, and I would
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: be in hardwoods somewhere around scrapes, scrapes and hard and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: it would this be like a big chunk of timber
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: that you happen to have, or would it be like
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: a tiny, little focused piece of timber that happens to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: be just the hot spot? Like, give me a little
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: more detail on what that like ideal scenario would be.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: It is is Uh, it's it's probably five acres of
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: hardwoods and it funnels out of a much larger, you know,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: several hundred acre piece of property that cannot be hunted,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: and they kind of funnel out of that area and
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: kind of funnel into my little five acre ridge. It's
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: like a pinch. So I like areas that pinched her
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: a lot, and this little spot I've got. You know,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: there's hundreds of wide open acres and they all funnel
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: this little creek in this hardwood ridge into this little
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: area and it puts them, you know, fifty to sixty
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: yards from me coming from It just cuts off a
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: lot of trails they can take. And I'm always looking
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: for really good funnels, So I would say a good
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: hardwood funnel November four with scrapes around. That sounds really good.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: I like the sounds of it. I feel like I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: feel good about your chances. Lee. Um, what before I
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: let you go? What? What should people be expecting to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: see from you guys this year? Where can they follow
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: your content this fall? Um? Anything you want to plug,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: please let our folks know. Um. Yeah, I mean our
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: channel is uh seek one on YouTube. Um. We are
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: going to be getting content out really quick this year.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: We're traveling to a lot of new places, places we
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: haven't been. Um, we're branching out. We're sticking to our
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: bread and butter, which is the urban game, the door
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: knocking game. UM, but we are branching outside of that
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: this year with uh, you know, some bigger woods hunts. Uh.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I've drew some tags in Kansas. I'm gonna knock on
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: some farmers doors out there, going to North Dakota doing
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: the same thing up there, getting different experiences and uh,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: you know, wanting to challenge ourselves in different environments. UM.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I'll probably be posting most of my stuff on my
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: personal Instagram. Um, I've made this name when I was
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: sixteen year or like fourteen fifteen years old in high school,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: and I just I should have changed it, but I
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: never did. People as people ask me all the time
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: about that, I'm like, dude, I don't know. I like
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: I made the name and when I was fourteen years old,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: and I just at some point it was too late
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: and I just never changed it. It's the underscore. Roy
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: is my personal one, and then Sequin Productions is our
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: kind of homepage on Instagram as well. So I gotta ask,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: is the Northern Buck Hunt? Is that something you're gonna
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: be sharing updates throughout the year or you're gonna keep
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: it quiet till it's all said and done and then
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: we'll find out what happened. To be honest, I was,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: I was going to, uh, you know, try to. I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: like to. I like to share my stuff, like you know,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I want to keep people like take them along for
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: the ride. So I'm gonna be posting updates on my
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: probably my personal Instagram, um kind of throughout that Ernie.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: But I've also been sort of coming across the thought
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: process of this, dear is such next level. I might
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: just go dark until it's done. I don't know. Yeah,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't blame you. I get that we'll
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: see well. I will be crossing all my fingers and
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: toes and uh, hopefully we can have another chat like
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: this after it's all set and down and have a
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: good story to tell. So one last thing, uh, And
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: the reason I'm bring it up is I'm actually headed
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: there right after we hang up, for the sake of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: flying under the radar from the Karen's and stuff in
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: these neighborhoods. I've actually I bought a very used and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: beat up Honda Element at a car auction. I'm a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: slap a Hello Kitty sticker on the back window, and
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I promise you that no one's gonna look at that
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: vehicle and think, yeah, that dude's hunting back. There is genius.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: That is genius. Well if I run, uh huh, Well,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: good luck, man. I hope it comes together for I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: appreciate taking time to chat through the stuff. If you
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: want to come to Atlanta, man, you gotta open invite.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: If you want to revisit that urban, that urban hunt,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like I need to at some point. I've
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: gotta I've got to get that monkey off my back,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: so I'll have to find time to make it happen. Yeah,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: let's do it, alright, Lee, thanks again. I have a
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: good one. Yeah. See a man all right and that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: is a rap. Definitely go check out what Lee's got
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: cooking over at the SEQ one YouTube channel. Follow along.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to see how this season goes for him.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: So with out of the way, thank you for listening,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired. Don