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Sharri | 4 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Well, good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James
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Speaker 3: Macpherson filling in for Shari. Coming up tonight, a reality
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Speaker 3: check for labor as Australia's economy grows at a snail's pace.
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Speaker 3: But Jim Chalmers, well, he's more concerned about playing the
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Speaker 3: blame game. I'll discuss today's GDP figures shortly. Also tonight,
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Speaker 3: the latest push to crack down on social media giants
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Speaker 3: in a bid to protect our kids. But is there
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Speaker 3: a hidden agenda. I'll ask child psychologist Claire row about
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Speaker 3: that later. And University of Sydney Vice Chancellor Mark Scott, well,
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Speaker 3: he's been grilled in an inquiry about why he allowed
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Speaker 3: a pro Palestinian encampment to festa on campus. The politician
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Speaker 3: behind the tough questions will join me to explain how
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Speaker 3: it all went down. But first, Queers for Palestine, well
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Speaker 3: they got a little reality check today. Our ambassador in
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Speaker 3: Iran was given address down for an Instagram post promoting homosexuality.
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Speaker 3: You see, homosexuality is illegal in the Islamic Republic of Iran,
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Speaker 3: and by illegal I mean the Islamists will hang you
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Speaker 3: by the neck. For it, and that might be considered lenient.
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Speaker 3: In other parts of the Muslim world, they'll stone you
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Speaker 3: to death or throw you off a building for being gay.
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Speaker 1: As a side note, the.
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Speaker 3: Gay community in Israel, Enjoy writes not even afforded in
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Speaker 3: many Western nations. But let's not allow facts to get
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Speaker 3: in the way of contempt for Israel. Perhaps our ambassador
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Speaker 3: in Iran, Ian mcconval had been drinking the quiz for
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Speaker 3: Palestine kool aid. The photo of mcconval wearing purple and
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Speaker 3: sharing purple cupcakes was posted on the official Australia in
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Speaker 3: Iran Instagram account in support of Where It Purple Day now?
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Speaker 3: Where a Purple Day is an annual LGBTQIA plus awareness
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Speaker 3: day to celebrate and promote all things queer.
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Speaker 1: Who knew that was a thing in Iran?
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Speaker 3: I suppose you've got to trust our diplomats to know
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Speaker 3: their audience. The Instagram post was helpfully captioned in Persian
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Speaker 3: so the locals could read it. It read celebrating were
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Speaker 3: It Purple Day with a splash of purple in every
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Speaker 3: corner and some delicious cupcakes made with love. Today and
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Speaker 3: every day We're dedicated to creating a supportive environment where everyone,
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Speaker 3: especially LGBTQIA plus youth, can feel proud to be themselves.
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Speaker 3: Let's keep championing diversity and inclusion for a brighter, more
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Speaker 3: inclusive future. Now, obviously, the post, which naturally included a
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Speaker 3: pride flag flown at so many pro Palestinian rallies around
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Speaker 3: our country, was light by about three thousand people. But
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Speaker 3: here's a surprise, and I'm sure a surprise for quiz
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Speaker 3: for Palestine. The Ayatola was not one of those liking
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Speaker 3: this particular post. Does the Supreme Leader of the Islamic
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Speaker 3: Republic of Iran not like cupcakes?
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Speaker 1: Maybe purple's just not his color.
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Speaker 3: The Iranian minut My History of Foreign Affairs strongly condemned
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Speaker 3: our embassy for promoting homosexuality, which it described.
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Speaker 1: As abnormal conduct.
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Speaker 3: According to Iranian news agencies, our officials were told the
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Speaker 3: content published by the Australian Embassy is insulting and contrary
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Speaker 3: to Iranian and Islamic tradition, customs and culture. Well, this
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Speaker 3: news will surely come as an enormous shock to all
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Speaker 3: those protesters we see on the streets of Sydney and
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Speaker 3: Melbourne madly waving their rainbow flags alongside Palestinian flags, as
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Speaker 3: if they were natural bedfellows.
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Speaker 1: It seems gay rights.
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Speaker 3: And Palestinian rights are linked, but only in the fertile
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Speaker 3: imaginations of those who enjoy the comfort of opinion without
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Speaker 3: the discomfort of thought. Now, this, of course raises an
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Speaker 3: awkward question for the LGBTQ community in this country. How
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Speaker 3: do they reconcile their support for Iran's proxy hamas with
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Speaker 3: Iran's anti gay laws. Iran is happy to accept the
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Speaker 3: support of gay activists on the streets of Sydney and Melbourne,
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Speaker 3: but won't accept even a gay cupcake on the streets
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Speaker 3: of Tehran. Now this should give Quiz for Palestine something
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Speaker 3: to ponder. I'm looking forward to seeing all those university
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Speaker 3: students on campus tomorrow protesting the homophobic Iranian government.
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Speaker 1: We'll wait meanwhile.
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Speaker 3: Federal Government Minister Murray Watt told the ABC he was
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Speaker 3: upset by the Iranian reaction to our purple cupcakes.
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Speaker 4: I am concerned to see this reaction from the Iranian
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Speaker 4: government to the activities of the Australian Embassy. We're very
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Speaker 4: proud about the fact that our embass is promote Australian
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Speaker 4: values internationally. And I'm very keen concerned to see an
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Speaker 4: overseas government seemingly take action against an Australian embassy that
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Speaker 4: is upholding Australian values.
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Speaker 3: To write, mister Watt, you learn a great deal about
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Speaker 3: the values of a nation by listening closely to what
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Speaker 3: comes out of their embassy. Speaking of which, it's exactly
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Speaker 3: a month ago that our government summoned Han's ambassador to
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Speaker 3: Australia to explain his social media post calling not for
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Speaker 3: wear It Purple Day, but for wipeout Israel Day.
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Speaker 1: Cupcakes not included.
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Speaker 3: Iran's ambassador wrote that wiping out the Zionis plague out
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Speaker 3: of the Holy Lands of Palestine happens no later than
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven now. Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi said at
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Speaker 3: the time those comments were abhorrent, hateful, anti Semitic and
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Speaker 3: had no place in Australia, well unless you're at one
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Speaker 3: of those pro Palestinian marches that happen every other weekend.
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Speaker 1: But hang on a second.
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Speaker 3: When the Iranian ambassador posted that Israel Israel should be eliminated,
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Speaker 3: wasn't that just Iran's embassy promoting Iranian values. We value tolerance,
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Speaker 3: they value the wiping out of Israeli's in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: It's called diversity.
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Speaker 3: And yet the Albanzi government continues to insist that Israel
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Speaker 3: has to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Hamas, which, as
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Speaker 3: they know very well, is nothing but an extension of Iran,
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Speaker 3: whose spokesmen here are openly touts for the elimination of Israel.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, support for a Hamas controlled Palestine
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Speaker 3: is a very queer thing. Indeed, well, speaking of cupcakes,
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Speaker 3: Queensland Premier Stephen Miles, the Premier has defended his decision
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Speaker 3: to use a private jet to make an eleven minute
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Speaker 3: flight from Harvey Bay to Bunderberg in order to deliver
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Speaker 3: a birthday cake to one of his MPs. It's a
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Speaker 3: crazy country, isn't it. You and I are wondering can
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Speaker 3: we afford a birthday cake this year? The Premier's biggest
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Speaker 3: problem hmm do I deliver the cake in a jet?
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Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 3: To be fair, the seventy four kilometer journey wasn't only
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Speaker 3: to deliver a cake. Stephen Miles also announced a new
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Speaker 3: fence would be built for Bunderberg East State School if
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Speaker 3: he wins the next election.
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Speaker 1: Now did it never occur to the premier.
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Speaker 3: He could cancel the cupcake flight and use the money
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Speaker 3: spent on avgas to give the kids offense.
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Speaker 1: No no, his office explained.
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Speaker 3: The government had already leased the private jet, so it
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Speaker 3: didn't cost taxpayers anything.
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Speaker 1: To fly it north. Well, where can I lease this plane?
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Speaker 3: I want to take my kids for a no cost
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Speaker 3: flight to Port Douglas.
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Speaker 1: What does it run on?
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Speaker 3: Solar or maybe it was a translink plane and so
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Speaker 3: the fare to Bunderberg only cost fifty cents.
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Speaker 5: It might be easy fodder for tabloid newspapers, but it
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Speaker 5: would have cost more to hire a car for that
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Speaker 5: one leg, and the other legs could not be completed
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Speaker 5: by another transport mode.
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Speaker 1: Amazing.
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Speaker 3: So when Queenslanders refuel their cars, they need to take
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Speaker 3: out a second mortgage, sell a kidney. But when the
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Speaker 3: Premier is questioned about using a jet to deliver mudcake
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Speaker 3: for a mate, well that's.
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Speaker 1: Just fodder for tabloid journalists.
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Speaker 3: Talk about arrogant and what about all those jet emissions.
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Speaker 3: I thought we're in the middle of a climate emergency
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Speaker 3: and that Stephen Miles was a climate champion.
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Speaker 6: For the United States. Vice President Al Gore has offered
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Speaker 6: his congratulations to new Queensland Premier Stephen Miles. The well
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Speaker 6: wishes came after the new premier pledged an increased towards
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Speaker 6: greenhouse and gas emissions target by twenty thirty five, ahead
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Speaker 6: of net zero in twenty fifty. Mister Gore took to
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Speaker 6: social media saying I know there's more to come and
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Speaker 6: hope his leadership inspires others across Australia and around the world.
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Speaker 3: Oh, mister Miles, climate leadership is inspiring all right. He
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Speaker 3: floats high in the sky above. He floats high in
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Speaker 3: the sky, rather far above Queenslanders, who are well, of
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Speaker 3: course beneath him. They're expected to drive an EV that's
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Speaker 3: barely affordable up the Bruce Highway that's barely maintained. Now,
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Speaker 3: I know what you're thinking, How clueless is the Queensland Premier.
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Speaker 3: How could he not know that this doesn't you know,
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Speaker 3: pass the pub test? Well, how could he know there's
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Speaker 3: no airstrip near the pub to land his private jet?
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Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 3: I was going to tell you tonight that Australia's economy
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Speaker 3: is growing at a snail's pace, but that would be
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Speaker 3: unfair to snails. Data release today confirms the economy is
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Speaker 3: growing at its slowest pace since the nineteen nineties recession
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Speaker 3: outside of the COVID pandemic. New figures from the Australian
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Speaker 3: Bureau of Statistics show GDP rose by zero point two
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Speaker 3: percent in the June quarter and by just one percent
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Speaker 3: over the last financial year. Que the political spin from
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Speaker 3: Treasurer at Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 7: Without government spending, without growth in government spending, there'd be
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Speaker 7: no growth in our economy at all, that is primarily
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Speaker 7: health spending. This vindicates the approach that we took in
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Speaker 7: the budget and it frankly torpedoes a lot of the
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Speaker 7: free advice that we got at budget time to cut
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Speaker 7: harder and harsher.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's take this to our panel form of Victorian
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party President Michael Kroger and former Labor Minister Graham Richardson. Gentlemen,
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Speaker 3: thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 1: Michael. Let me start with you.
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Speaker 3: Whatever Jim Chalmers says, however he spins this, this is
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Speaker 3: a big reality check for labor, is it not?
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Speaker 8: It certainly is. But look, I think Jim's hopelessly out
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Speaker 8: of his depth. He's a commentator, you know, he's just
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Speaker 8: watching the train go by the truth of matter is this,
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Speaker 8: there's no productivity growth in this country, which is one
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Speaker 8: of the main ways of you know, growth in your economy.
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Speaker 8: Immigration has been far too high, which adds to aggregate demand.
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Speaker 8: You've got a pro union government, and we've seen all
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Speaker 8: the pro union changes to help the unions stay alive,
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Speaker 8: their anti business.
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Speaker 1: But the worst thing of all is this.
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Speaker 8: You know, Chalmers talks about a strong economic leadership. If
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Speaker 8: you look at the budget papers twenty twenty three and
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Speaker 8: twenty twenty six, government revenues federally, federally go up seventy
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Speaker 8: billion seven zero bi in, but government expenditure goes up
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Speaker 8: one hundred and thirty five billion. They're in the budget papers.
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Speaker 8: They're spending sixty five billion dollars over their three year period,
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Speaker 8: more than they're earning. That's before you add in all
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Speaker 8: these venture capital green schemes which run also into the
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Speaker 8: tens of billions, many of which will fall over. And
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Speaker 8: that's before you add in all the state government added expenditure.
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Speaker 8: So the Reserve Bank was right when they politely said
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Speaker 8: to the governments around this country, if you stop spending,
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Speaker 8: we might get somewhere with interest rates. But the economy
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Speaker 8: is running far too hot with all your spending, and
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Speaker 8: that's exactly what's happening. This guy's hopelessly out of his depth.
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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, he's worse than people say. He's
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Speaker 8: the worst since Wayne's Wine. He's much better than Wayne Swine.
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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think it. Wayne had those four
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Speaker 8: surpluses that he announced, of course that night. But he
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Speaker 8: is a poor man's Jim Cans. That's what he is, Charmers,
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Speaker 8: and he's a millstone around the neck of this government
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Speaker 8: made well.
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Speaker 1: Richard, let me go to you.
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Speaker 3: Household spending is down, business investment is down. Only government's
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Speaker 3: spending is up and keeping the economy out of recession.
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Speaker 3: But record government spending can't prop up the economy forever,
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Speaker 3: can it?
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Speaker 9: No, not forever. You have got a hope that it
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Speaker 9: gets a return. It hasn't got that return yet, but
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Speaker 9: I guess Charmers is hoping that return comes soon.
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Speaker 3: I reckon he's got every finger crossed. Meanwhile, Chalmers has
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Speaker 3: been royally told off by John Howard for blaming his
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Speaker 3: economic woes on the RBA's interest rate hikes. Writing in
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Speaker 3: The Australian, John Howard said there's little argument that the
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Speaker 3: Albanezy government has lost control of expenditure. By his opportunistic
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Speaker 3: and quite disloyal remarks, Chalmers has diminished himself, not Bullock,
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Speaker 3: that's Michelle Bullock from the RBA. Michael should Charmers be
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Speaker 3: embarrassed by these comments?
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Speaker 8: Well, of course he should be. When John Howard knows
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Speaker 8: more about the economy than almost in the Australian alive
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Speaker 8: given the fact that he was true to runder Malcolm
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Speaker 8: Fraser's government then Prime Minister for almost four years. I mean, Chalmers,
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Speaker 8: this is a politic blacked by the way. Let's make
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Speaker 8: no mistake about this, James. The Labor Party leadership have decided,
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Speaker 8: how do we get away from the fact that been
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Speaker 8: all these thirteen interest rate rises on our watch. Australian
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Speaker 8: mortgage holders in eighty percent of them on variable rates.
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Speaker 8: So they're getting murdered. Any homeowner with a mortgage is
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Speaker 8: getting murdered. How do we shift the blame from us?
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Speaker 8: Because they said they had a cost of living plan.
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Speaker 8: Of course there was an emergency under Scott Morrison that
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Speaker 8: they had a plan to fix. They had no plan.
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Speaker 8: It was just advertising gulf it was polybabble. So what
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Speaker 8: they've done politically is decided. Let's shift the blame for
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Speaker 8: the Reserve Bank. Let's sort of wink wink, it's their fault.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 8: So you've seen my friend Stephen Conroy, You've seen Craig Emerson,
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Speaker 8: now you've seen the Treasurer. You've seen other Labour figures
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Speaker 8: coming out blaming the Reserve Bank. This is a political
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Speaker 8: act to try and take the heat of the government
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Speaker 8: and blame the Reserve Bank Board. You know, I think
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Speaker 8: four or five of whom they've appointed.
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Speaker 3: It certainly seems that way, Richo, based on what we've
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Speaker 3: seen for the past two years. Let me ask you this,
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Speaker 3: why should Australians have any confidence this government knows what
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Speaker 3: it's doing.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 9: I think there are so many fronts where the government
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Speaker 9: has shown it's done it's doing well. The trouble is
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Speaker 9: on the front where you know these kinds of judgments
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Speaker 9: are going to be made. Labor's just a bit soft
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Speaker 9: and so it's suffering at the moment because of that.
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Speaker 9: But I think, you know, Albow and Charmers between them
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Speaker 9: will work that out. They'll sort it out, we'll move on,
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Speaker 9: the economy will stay solid and labor will win again.
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Speaker 1: I like your optimism, Rich, I really do. Hey, at
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Speaker 1: least the Coalition.
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Speaker 3: Are committed to generating wealth rather than squandering it. They've
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Speaker 3: promised to approve the Beleague in New South Wales gold
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Speaker 3: mine if they win the upcoming federal election. Have listened
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Speaker 3: to Nationals leader David little Proud, he's with Senator just
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Speaker 3: Into Price earlier today.
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Speaker 11: I can tell you that while this is the biggest
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Speaker 11: issue in town, this is also the biggest issue for
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Speaker 11: the resource sector right across the nation. Unless Minister Plebisac
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Speaker 11: wants to come out and publicly give the reasons, then
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Speaker 11: ultimately this company has done all that they've been asked of.
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Speaker 11: Minister Plebisac has a lot of answers to give for
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Speaker 11: the questions that are being asked by this community.
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Speaker 1: Michael, is this a smart move from the Coalition?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, of course it is, and they're absolutely right. I mean,
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Speaker 8: what a farcical decision. This is embarrassing when we're a
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Speaker 8: first world country. So Tanya Plebsik makes this decision, it's secret.
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Speaker 8: She can't tell us why she's made it. The land
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Speaker 8: owners in the area, the recognized traditional owners, are saying
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Speaker 8: it's gumf and she because she's never run a business
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Speaker 8: and there's no idea about how a mine operates or
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Speaker 8: geology operates. Simply says I'll move the tailings dam somewhere else.
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Speaker 8: I mean, people have got no idea how these public companies,
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Speaker 8: these mining companies work. Without the mining industry in this country,
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Speaker 8: we would be in a serious depression in this country.
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Speaker 8: Yet Pleba sic Albanizi, they're all anti mining. They want
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Speaker 8: to kill off coal, gas whatever. For goodness sake, what
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Speaker 8: are we going to run this country on? You know,
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Speaker 8: solar panels. We're going to have a solar panel led
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Speaker 8: economy to beat off those Chinese who you know. I mean,
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Speaker 8: this is not serious. This has made us an international
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Speaker 8: laughing stock. And these mining companies committing millions and millions.
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Speaker 1: Of shareholder dollars to these projects.
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Speaker 8: And having them ki boshed at the last minute for
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Speaker 8: unexplained reasons by people who the traditional owners have never
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Speaker 8: heard of. It makes a laughing stock of this country,
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Speaker 8: a laughing stock of the minister and a laughing stock
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Speaker 8: of the government.
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Speaker 3: Well, Richo, here's the thing I can't understand about this
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Speaker 3: whole fiasco. Tanya Plibasek has blocked the project on cultural grounds,
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Speaker 3: but also says cultural grounds prevent her from explaining the decision.
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Speaker 1: To block the projects.
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Speaker 3: So how can the government expect people to be okay
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Speaker 3: with that kind of communication or lack thereof.
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Speaker 9: I don't think you can ever expect it to be
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Speaker 9: okay if you don't explain what you're doing. So I'm
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Speaker 9: not going to try and defend that one. You can't
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Speaker 9: all right.
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Speaker 3: As I mentioned at the top of the show, Queensland
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Speaker 3: Premier Stephen Miles.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Stephen for a moment.
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Speaker 3: He's been forced to defend himself after catching an eleven
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Speaker 3: minute ride the Border government jet from Harvey Bay to
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Speaker 3: Bunderberg on Monday. In case you missed it earlier here, he.
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Speaker 5: Was generally we book it by the day. Any additional
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Speaker 5: costs apport fees would be highly negligible. We had a
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Speaker 5: significant traveling party, including members of the media. In order
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Speaker 5: to hire cars to go to and from a location,
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Speaker 5: we have arrangements that we generally try to avoid the
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Speaker 5: jet flying without passengers.
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Speaker 3: Now we're not one hundred percent sure why he needed
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Speaker 3: to get to Bunderberg so fast, seeing as a drive
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Speaker 3: would have only taken about ninety minutes, but we do
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Speaker 3: know he surprised a local MP with some mudcake for
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Speaker 3: his birthday. That same afternoon, Michael Stephen Miles dismissed critics
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Speaker 3: of his flight as tabloid fodder.
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Speaker 1: Is that fair? Goodder, James?
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Speaker 8: I think the less time we spend on this show,
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Speaker 8: or any show on skuy talking about Stephen Miles, the
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Speaker 8: better I think.
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Speaker 1: Succinct. Rich have what about you?
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Speaker 8: It's it's like nothing, there's nothing to be gained, there's
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Speaker 8: nothing to be going well.
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Speaker 3: It seems to me, Rich Stephen Miles has given up
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Speaker 3: on any pretense of being sensible. You don't pull stunts
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Speaker 3: like this in the middle of a cost of living crisis,
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Speaker 3: let alone fifty days before an election.
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Speaker 1: What's wrong with Stephen Miles?
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 9: I'd have to agree it's not the most intelligent decision
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Speaker 9: I've seen made, and I don't understand how you defend it,
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Speaker 9: so I'm not going to try. I mean, it was
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Speaker 9: just dumb.
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Speaker 1: Rich.
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Speaker 3: Oh, that's two from two that you've not attempted to
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Speaker 3: defend tonight.
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Speaker 9: You can't defend it. You can't defend the indefensible. Really,
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Speaker 9: let me.
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Speaker 8: Go from Rich, RICHI I read rich O, you're working
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Speaker 8: for one of those lobbying businesses or one of those businesses,
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Speaker 8: would there be a position there for Stephen after the
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Speaker 8: Ober election? Stephen miles much, you could take him on.
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Speaker 3: Michael and rich I, I appreciate your time tonight, Thanks so
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Speaker 3: much for joining me well. University of Sydney Vice Chancellor
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Speaker 3: Mark Scott copped a grilling in New South Wales Parliament
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Speaker 3: estimates earlier today over his handling of the pro Palestinian
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Speaker 3: encampment that was allowed to exist on campus for two months.
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Speaker 3: Despite Jewish students complaining they felt unsafe with such phrases
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Speaker 3: as from the River to the Sea being chanted daily
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Speaker 3: as they tried to go to class, the professor defended
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Speaker 3: the environment he had permitted, dismissing the phrases as technically
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Speaker 3: not illegal.
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Speaker 12: Students have reported quote, I do not feel safe on
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Speaker 12: campus and actively struggle to learn when faced with the
19:56
Speaker 12: reminder that people are openly allowed to call for my
20:00
Speaker 12: death in the next room. How does that help the
20:02
Speaker 12: psychosocial safety of students?
20:05
Speaker 13: Well, I'd want to see the specific nature of that.
20:10
Speaker 13: I cannot find a jurisdiction in the country that has
20:14
Speaker 13: banned the use of those phrases.
20:18
Speaker 3: I'm enjoined now by New South Wales Liberal MLC Susan Carter. Susan,
20:22
Speaker 3: thanks for joining me tonight. You were the one delivering
20:25
Speaker 3: most of the blows in estimates today and I want
20:28
Speaker 3: to go through some of the specifics in a moment,
20:30
Speaker 3: but just generally, what did you make of Mark Scott's
20:33
Speaker 3: responses to your questions today?
20:35
Speaker 12: Oh, James, it was very, very disappointing. The university talks
20:40
Speaker 12: about the importance of empathy about free speech, but doesn't
20:45
Speaker 12: seem to have actually heard what the Jewish students and
20:48
Speaker 12: Jewish staff members have been saying about the effect of
20:51
Speaker 12: the encampment and about the effect of the protests on
20:56
Speaker 12: the just their feelings of personal safety.
20:59
Speaker 3: It one of the first questions you asked was about
21:01
Speaker 3: the ongoing support that was given to staff and students,
21:05
Speaker 3: and Mark Scott radloff all the things he had done
21:08
Speaker 3: in the wake of October seven, But do you think
21:10
Speaker 3: he answered that question about whether or not targeted and
21:13
Speaker 3: ongoing support was necessary to make sure Jewish students actually
21:18
Speaker 3: felt safe on campus?
21:19
Speaker 1: Did he answer that question adequately?
21:21
Speaker 12: He never answered that question, and in fact, he kept
21:24
Speaker 12: talking about communication and a lot of very high level
21:29
Speaker 12: things but it was interesting when I tried to drill
21:32
Speaker 12: down and say, okay, you talk about safety escorts. Does
21:36
Speaker 12: that mean that a student who felt unsafe would be
21:40
Speaker 12: able to have an escort to take them past the encampment,
21:44
Speaker 12: past the real locus of where.
21:46
Speaker 1: They felt fear and anxiety.
21:49
Speaker 12: It appeared to be simply, well, we made sure everybody
21:51
Speaker 12: had the phone number of security. That's not actually anything
21:55
Speaker 12: that's targeted and positive and supportive for students who are
22:00
Speaker 12: feeling tremendous anxiety and often frankly fear.
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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned those safety escorts that were provided for
22:07
Speaker 3: Jewish students, but no one from Sydney University could actually
22:10
Speaker 3: say today whether those security escorts were ever used or
22:14
Speaker 3: if indeed Jewish students knew they were available.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, and frankly, I think it's a fairly token response
22:23
Speaker 12: to what was going on at the university. You had
22:26
Speaker 12: an encampment of students who were making it uncomfortable, if
22:32
Speaker 12: not impossible, for Jewish students to go in a whole
22:35
Speaker 12: area of their own campus to walk to their graduation,
22:40
Speaker 12: to walk to lectures.
22:41
Speaker 1: You had a.
22:42
Speaker 12: Situation where the nanoscience hub and lecture theaters in Castlaw
22:46
Speaker 12: were being locked down because of safety concerns, and to
22:49
Speaker 12: suggest that when you're dealing with, frankly, what was a
22:52
Speaker 12: climate of violence, that an appropriate response is to say, well,
22:56
Speaker 12: we'll get somebody to walk you past the worst bits
22:58
Speaker 12: of It's it's hard to see that that is actually
23:02
Speaker 12: real targeted action that would support Jewish students to feel
23:06
Speaker 12: safe in their own place of learning.
23:08
Speaker 1: Right, here's the part of the hearing that really annoyed me.
23:11
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but.
23:12
Speaker 3: Notice there was a lot of pushback from Labour MLC
23:15
Speaker 3: Stephen Lawrence, who seemed very concerned that your questions were provocative. Now,
23:21
Speaker 3: this whole topic is provocative, and speaking of provocative, Jewish
23:25
Speaker 3: students were expected to put up with provocation. But Mark
23:29
Speaker 3: Scott said at the Estimates hearing, well he's got to
23:32
Speaker 3: be protected from it.
23:34
Speaker 12: It looked very interesting observation. James, and I think one
23:37
Speaker 12: of the most upsetting things about well two things. The
23:42
Speaker 12: safety of Jewish students and their feelings of anxiety and
23:46
Speaker 12: fear and not being safe is the most important thing.
23:49
Speaker 12: But the other thing really goes to the nature of
23:52
Speaker 12: what a university is. University should be places where we
23:56
Speaker 12: are encouraging students to respect each other, to disagree well,
24:01
Speaker 12: as the former Vice chancellor used to say, and to
24:04
Speaker 12: actually listen and engage with each other. Yet clearly there
24:09
Speaker 12: was no listening and engagement in our exchange today. And
24:12
Speaker 12: also there appears to have been no attempt by the
24:14
Speaker 12: university to actually take the heat out of the protests,
24:21
Speaker 12: for those in the encampment to listen to the concerns
24:24
Speaker 12: of the Jewish students and also vice versa. University should
24:28
Speaker 12: be about dialogue, but this was about vitriol and hate
24:32
Speaker 12: and protest rather than about helping us move forward as
24:36
Speaker 12: a society.
24:37
Speaker 3: Before I let you go, I want to ask one
24:39
Speaker 3: more question. What did you make of Mark Scott's response
24:43
Speaker 3: to questions about the presence of has Butteria on campus?
24:47
Speaker 1: Have a listen, I.
24:49
Speaker 13: Would say about woodsbort Teria, as it's a question perhaps
24:53
Speaker 13: for Parliament in some respects if this was a declared
25:00
Speaker 13: terrorist organization that was illegal. If the Parliament had declared
25:05
Speaker 13: putsbert Teria an illegal organization, then of course they would
25:09
Speaker 13: be banned from campus. They are not. There was no
25:14
Speaker 13: mechanism in the sense for us to stop them being
25:17
Speaker 13: on campus as they are not a banned group.
25:21
Speaker 3: So essentially he said, you know, yes there were radicals
25:24
Speaker 3: on campus, but not my problem.
25:28
Speaker 12: Look, this was just buck passing. Let's reflect from a moment.
25:31
Speaker 12: James his but Teria are on record as saying that
25:34
Speaker 12: it's fine for a man to discipline a woman with violence.
25:38
Speaker 12: They say that the moral problem or the moral curse
25:43
Speaker 12: of the world is to be found in the Jewish people.
25:46
Speaker 1: Now do we.
25:47
Speaker 12: Actually need a law to tell us that that philosophy
25:50
Speaker 12: and that those statements are unacceptable and that if there
25:54
Speaker 12: are people on campus who are espousing those views, they
25:58
Speaker 12: should be unwelcome in a place of high learning.
26:02
Speaker 1: Just absolutely unbelievable.
26:04
Speaker 3: But thank you Susan for what you did today and
26:06
Speaker 3: for making those points. Job well done and I appreciate
26:10
Speaker 3: you joining me tonight. Well after the break, Big Tech
26:14
Speaker 3: put on notice as the E Safety Commission works to
26:16
Speaker 3: protect kids from the harms of social media. Plus new
26:20
Speaker 3: details leaped over Anthony Albenze's backflip on the LGBTQ census question,
26:26
Speaker 3: all of that coming up in a moment.
26:31
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
26:32
Speaker 3: Social media platforms are under pressure to hand over crucial
26:35
Speaker 3: data on the number of children using their sites. The
26:39
Speaker 3: E Safety Commission has also given big tech players such
26:42
Speaker 3: as YouTube, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok thirty days to reveal
26:47
Speaker 3: how many children have accounts and how they enforce their
26:50
Speaker 3: own age restrictions. Now, the minimum age limit is typically
26:54
Speaker 3: thirteen for these sites, but as we all know, there
26:58
Speaker 3: are plenty of kids younger than that who are on
27:00
Speaker 3: social media and suffering repercussions because of it. I'm joined
27:04
Speaker 3: now by child and adolescent psychologist Claire Row. Claire, thanks
27:08
Speaker 3: for joining me tonight. It's almost like these platforms want
27:13
Speaker 3: children roaming online.
27:16
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, of course they do, James, because that's more
27:18
Speaker 14: eyeballs and more brains to addict to their product, isn't it.
27:22
Speaker 14: So what people need to understand is these you know,
27:26
Speaker 14: billion dollar tech companies literally employee thousands of people in
27:31
Speaker 14: places like Silicon Valley where their only job is to
27:35
Speaker 14: work out how to tweak that platform to keep you
27:38
Speaker 14: on it for longer. And you know, like they say,
27:41
Speaker 14: if it appears to be free, then the product is you.
27:44
Speaker 14: You know, the product thereafter is your attention. And so
27:47
Speaker 14: I suppose what better way to guarantee new lifelong customers
27:53
Speaker 14: of addicted minds and put advertising in front of but
27:57
Speaker 14: to target to young children and get hooked early on.
28:01
Speaker 14: So you know, I'm very cynical to say the least,
28:04
Speaker 14: whether tech companies are really genuine about working with government
28:08
Speaker 14: and regulatory bodies to keep kids safe and keep kids
28:11
Speaker 14: off them. It doesn't make sense for them from a
28:13
Speaker 14: business model, to say the least.
28:15
Speaker 3: So that's great for those companies they're getting new customers.
28:19
Speaker 3: But talk to me as a child psychologist, and I mean,
28:22
Speaker 3: we've read ad nauseum about all the problems that this
28:25
Speaker 3: is causing. But I mean, how bad is it for
28:28
Speaker 3: our kids?
28:30
Speaker 1: Yeah?
28:30
Speaker 14: I sound pretty doom and gloom when I speak about this,
28:33
Speaker 14: but I have been for the.
28:34
Speaker 15: Last decade now. It's not just James, the.
28:37
Speaker 14: Content that they see online, and we know that that's
28:41
Speaker 14: just unfettered a cess.
28:43
Speaker 15: Pit of inappropriate material.
28:46
Speaker 14: You know, like I've said for a long time, we
28:49
Speaker 14: underprotect our kids in the real world, you know, overprotect them, sorry,
28:54
Speaker 14: and we completely you know, underprotect them in the online world.
28:58
Speaker 14: But what we forget about as well, it's not just
29:00
Speaker 14: what they're seeing online, but it's what they're not doing
29:04
Speaker 14: when they're online. And we're talking like four, five, six,
29:07
Speaker 14: eight hours a day. You know, they're not socializing, they're
29:11
Speaker 14: not talking to each other, they're not getting outside, and
29:15
Speaker 14: so you know, it's it's literally you know, the hours
29:19
Speaker 14: per week and month that add up that are taken
29:22
Speaker 14: away from what previous generations would be doing of eight
29:27
Speaker 14: nineteen year olds, which is having a.
29:29
Speaker 15: Play based childhood.
29:31
Speaker 14: And there's you know, importance in a play based childhood
29:34
Speaker 14: for developmental outcomes for children. And it's literally parts of
29:39
Speaker 14: the brain I think with children now that are changing
29:42
Speaker 14: before our eyes, and that comes down to things like impulsivity, patience, attention, creativity,
29:50
Speaker 14: the ability to self entertain. Parents would know that with
29:55
Speaker 14: kids these days, they're just losing all these cognitive abilities.
30:00
Speaker 14: I think it's disastrous, and I think that we've spoken
30:03
Speaker 14: enough about it, and the data is there enough for
30:07
Speaker 14: us to make some decisions and legislate against it for kids.
30:11
Speaker 3: Okay, so the government is going hard on the big
30:13
Speaker 3: tech companies. They want to know how many kids are
30:15
Speaker 3: using your app and what are you doing about it?
30:18
Speaker 3: But would these companies even know how many children are
30:20
Speaker 3: accessing their apps and creating accounts?
30:24
Speaker 1: How would they even know this?
30:26
Speaker 15: Well, they won't.
30:27
Speaker 14: That's exactly what I thought when I read this, James.
30:30
Speaker 14: I'm not against data collection at all if it informs
30:34
Speaker 14: good policy making and decisions.
30:36
Speaker 15: But as we know, as you said in your introduction,
30:39
Speaker 15: you've got to into.
30:40
Speaker 14: A date of birth on these apps, that is thirteen
30:43
Speaker 14: years and above to get an account. And so of
30:45
Speaker 14: course what kids do, and sometimes their parents for them,
30:49
Speaker 14: is they just enter a fake birth date. And so
30:52
Speaker 14: I can't imagine that these companies have any data, reliable
30:57
Speaker 14: data on the amount of kids that are under thirteen
31:00
Speaker 14: in using social media. That data usually comes from widespread
31:05
Speaker 14: surveys of parents and families, and shockingly, you know, it
31:11
Speaker 14: is confirmed that we've got you know, eight to nine
31:13
Speaker 14: year olds on social media weekly, and so yeah, I
31:18
Speaker 14: can't see first of all, or why these companies would
31:21
Speaker 14: feel obliged to hand over data, why they would want
31:24
Speaker 14: to do it. But second of all, the data that
31:27
Speaker 14: they have, I just can't see how that actually reflects
31:31
Speaker 14: what's really going on.
31:33
Speaker 1: So you raise a great point.
31:34
Speaker 3: What do you say to people who argue this is
31:36
Speaker 3: overreach on the part of the government. It's mum and dad,
31:39
Speaker 3: not Mark Zuckerberg who should police their children's internet use.
31:44
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, on face value, I would actually agree with that,
31:48
Speaker 14: But I think parents face two main problems. The first
31:51
Speaker 14: one is if the children are already on these apps,
31:55
Speaker 14: they are addicted.
31:56
Speaker 15: And I don't use that word lightly.
31:58
Speaker 14: I have seen the most loveliest of children become manipulative, aggressive, lying,
32:05
Speaker 14: clinically depressed and withdrawn as they literally struggle from their
32:10
Speaker 14: dopamine withdrawal symptoms of being away from these platforms.
32:14
Speaker 15: It's shocking.
32:15
Speaker 14: And second of all is that the pressure parents are
32:19
Speaker 14: under because everyone else has it, and so they don't
32:22
Speaker 14: want to exclude their child, they don't want to ostracize them.
32:25
Speaker 14: They're all having their conversations on these platforms.
32:29
Speaker 15: And so I do.
32:31
Speaker 14: Think, and I've said this for a long time, this
32:33
Speaker 14: problem could be solved tomorrow. And I think parents have
32:37
Speaker 14: no idea about the power that they have in collective action.
32:41
Speaker 15: We don't need every kid off these apps.
32:44
Speaker 14: What we need is a couple in each classroom, and
32:47
Speaker 14: we need a movement by parents to say, look, not
32:50
Speaker 14: everyone in.
32:51
Speaker 15: The class has it.
32:51
Speaker 14: Actually you know that there's half a dozen of you
32:54
Speaker 14: who don't, and so you know you're not getting it.
32:56
Speaker 14: And I think legislating that will actually give parents the
33:01
Speaker 14: confidence to say no, it's against the law, you're not
33:03
Speaker 14: having it. So it's more about giving parents the confidence
33:06
Speaker 14: of having that discussion in their family home, because I agree,
33:09
Speaker 14: Actually I think it does come back to parents.
33:11
Speaker 3: Clear, we've got to go to a break, but just
33:13
Speaker 3: very quickly before we go, this is one more question
33:15
Speaker 3: I want to ask you. Some people say the government
33:18
Speaker 3: isn't really concerned about kids, they're using the protection of
33:22
Speaker 3: kids as a trojan horse to introduce the digital ID.
33:26
Speaker 1: What do you say to that?
33:29
Speaker 15: Look, both might be true.
33:31
Speaker 14: I don't think that the government is not concerned about kids.
33:34
Speaker 15: I think the lobby groups have done really well.
33:36
Speaker 14: I think government and opposition are concerned about kids. Whether
33:41
Speaker 14: that is now also simultaneously an opportunity to soft launch
33:46
Speaker 14: or test digital ID.
33:48
Speaker 15: Is a discussion that we need to have. But I
33:50
Speaker 15: think that's a whole other topic.
33:51
Speaker 14: And I actually don't think that you know, being careful
33:54
Speaker 14: about bringing in digital ID. I don't want that to
33:56
Speaker 14: delay what we should do so now, which is just
33:59
Speaker 14: about social media and let's discuss the digital idea down
34:03
Speaker 14: the track.
34:04
Speaker 3: Clairo, always good talking to you, Thanks for your time tonight.
34:08
Speaker 3: Well stick around because after the break, the Prime Minister
34:11
Speaker 3: racks up a multi million dollar expense bill, and you
34:14
Speaker 3: won't believe what he said to defend himself.
34:16
Speaker 1: I'll play you that next.
34:22
Speaker 3: Okay, So we've still got lots more to get through tonight.
34:24
Speaker 3: Let's get straight into it with our political panel Labor
34:27
Speaker 3: MP Daniel Malano and LMPMP Andrew Wallace.
34:32
Speaker 1: Gentlemen, thanks for joining me.
34:33
Speaker 3: Now we've got more details leaked over the Prime Minister's
34:37
Speaker 3: mishandling of the proposed LGBTQI questions in the census. Insiders
34:43
Speaker 3: have told The City Morning Herald that Anthony Abenezi personally
34:47
Speaker 3: found the questions about gender identity complicated and then made
34:51
Speaker 3: a captain's call to dump them entirely. But then, of
34:54
Speaker 3: course Labor MP's publicly disagreed with the decision, so he
34:58
Speaker 3: made a second captain's go call to include one question.
35:02
Speaker 1: Provided it is appropriate.
35:05
Speaker 3: Daniel is confusing as a question on gender identity might be.
35:09
Speaker 3: I can't imagine it being more confusing than the government's
35:12
Speaker 3: handling of this issue.
35:16
Speaker 16: All hi, James, and thanks for having me on.
35:19
Speaker 2: Look.
35:19
Speaker 16: I think for me, the core issue here is that
35:23
Speaker 16: there was serious consideration into the inclusion of a new question,
35:28
Speaker 16: a new question into the census, which would deal with sexuality. Know,
35:31
Speaker 16: this is something that our party has said that we
35:33
Speaker 16: wanted to include in the census for a while. But look,
35:36
Speaker 16: there are some sensitivities with a question like this. One
35:39
Speaker 16: is how much detail do you include? But also do
35:43
Speaker 16: you make it compulsory or do you make it opt out?
35:46
Speaker 16: Now I think fundamentally we're two years away from this
35:50
Speaker 16: census actually occurring, and I don't think it's at all
35:53
Speaker 16: surprising that there's a range of processes going on as
35:57
Speaker 16: to how and whether a question like this gets incl alluted.
36:01
Speaker 1: What happened, I.
36:01
Speaker 16: Think is that the Prime Minister clearly had some concerns
36:06
Speaker 16: around the original draft of what that question looked like,
36:09
Speaker 16: and then there was a whole lot of feedback from
36:11
Speaker 16: the community but also from members of my party expressing
36:16
Speaker 16: concerns around the possibility if they're not being a question.
36:19
Speaker 16: And in the end we've landed in a position that
36:21
Speaker 16: I think is the right position, at a common sense position.
36:24
Speaker 16: And I've talked to a bunch of people in my
36:26
Speaker 16: electorate over.
36:26
Speaker 10: The last couple of days outdoor.
36:28
Speaker 16: Knocking but also at community events, and everybody has said
36:32
Speaker 16: to me who I've talked to in my electorate that
36:34
Speaker 16: they're glad we've landed on the position we've landed on,
36:38
Speaker 16: and that to me is the most important part of
36:40
Speaker 16: all this.
36:41
Speaker 3: I reckon you're right, Daniel, the government probably did land
36:43
Speaker 3: on the right position. But gee, there's a lot of turbulence.
36:46
Speaker 3: It was a bumpy flight getting there because I mean,
36:49
Speaker 3: as you said, the Prime Minister promised this would happen.
36:51
Speaker 3: Then he had concerns and seems to have panicked and
36:54
Speaker 3: said no, no, we're not going.
36:55
Speaker 1: To do it.
36:56
Speaker 3: Then he got feedback which wasn't complementary, changed his mind again.
37:02
Speaker 3: So it just goes to this narrative of a government
37:04
Speaker 3: that can't quite get anything right.
37:07
Speaker 1: And Andrew, here's the other problem.
37:08
Speaker 3: The City Morning Heralds say they spoke with three members
37:11
Speaker 3: of Cabinet on the condition of anonymity, of course, regarding
37:15
Speaker 3: how all this played out. So cabinet leaks would be
37:18
Speaker 3: a worry for the Prime minister, wouldn't they.
37:21
Speaker 10: Absolutely, this government, this cabinet is leaking like a sieth.
37:26
Speaker 17: I tell you what, This Prime Minister can't hold a
37:29
Speaker 17: position on policy from one day to the next.
37:34
Speaker 10: You've hit the nail on the head. I think it's extraordinary.
37:38
Speaker 10: I can't remember the last time that a sitting Labor
37:41
Speaker 10: PM effectively got rolled.
37:43
Speaker 17: Not just by his backbach, but rolled by his front
37:46
Speaker 17: beach as well. You know, there was a lot of
37:49
Speaker 17: disquiet in the Labor Party about this, and effectively the
37:54
Speaker 17: Prime Minister has done an absolutely u.
37:56
Speaker 10: Turn in the space in twenty four hours. But you've
37:59
Speaker 10: hit the nail on the head, James, and that is
38:01
Speaker 10: disunity is death.
38:03
Speaker 17: And where you've got three cabinet ministers that are now
38:07
Speaker 17: briefing against the Prime minister.
38:10
Speaker 10: That's pretty severe stuff.
38:13
Speaker 3: Well, let's stay with the Prime Minister for a moment.
38:15
Speaker 3: He's defended himself after the Daily Telegraph revealed his three
38:19
Speaker 3: point eight million dollar expense bill, which included a one
38:23
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars taxpayer bill for private COMCR bookings and
38:27
Speaker 3: a two point five million dollar expense for his staff's travel.
38:31
Speaker 3: Now here was his response to all of this earlier today.
38:36
Speaker 18: I've seen that analysis that comes out regularly. If they
38:38
Speaker 18: think that the Prime Minister of Australia should drive themselves around,
38:43
Speaker 18: they should say that I'd rather do that. Frankly, in
38:47
Speaker 18: today's world, we need security and we need these things
38:52
Speaker 18: to happen, and I think Australians know that.
38:56
Speaker 3: It was an interesting response, Dan, You're rather than try
38:58
Speaker 3: and deal with any of the issue, it was more
39:00
Speaker 3: just you know, what do you expect me to do?
39:05
Speaker 10: Well?
39:05
Speaker 16: Look, one thing I'd say is that, and I'm sure
39:08
Speaker 16: Andrew would have experienced this as well and any member
39:11
Speaker 16: of Parliament. Look, people are doing it tough for the minute,
39:15
Speaker 16: and frankly, I think no matter what aspect of parliamentary
39:18
Speaker 16: expenditure you raise with people, they probably would find it
39:22
Speaker 16: jarring at the minute, whether it's any of our salaries,
39:25
Speaker 16: or whether it's expenses on the building, or.
39:27
Speaker 1: Whether it's our travel.
39:29
Speaker 16: So look, I get that when you tally up a
39:32
Speaker 16: lot of these numbers, people out in the community do
39:35
Speaker 16: find it all a bit jarring.
39:37
Speaker 1: But what I would say with the PM, but.
39:39
Speaker 16: I'd also say this about the Opposition leader, about senior
39:42
Speaker 16: people in the cabinet and the Opposition the shadow cabinet,
39:47
Speaker 16: is that I think rightly there's an expectation that the
39:51
Speaker 16: PM and the Opposition leader are working hard, that they're
39:55
Speaker 16: traveling a lot, and I would be not surprised at
39:57
Speaker 16: all if people like the PM and Peter Dutton are
40:02
Speaker 16: traveling multiple times every week. I mean, these numbers do
40:06
Speaker 16: add up, but I also think it's extremely important that
40:08
Speaker 16: they're traveling a lot, that they're seeing different communities around
40:12
Speaker 16: our country, that they're meeting with a whole wide range
40:14
Speaker 16: of stakeholders. I mean, I think the point of security
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Speaker 16: is an interesting one. I mean, it does reflect the
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Speaker 16: fact that security has been beefed up right across Parliament,
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Speaker 16: not just for the PM and ministers and shadow ministers,
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Speaker 16: but also for a whole bunch of backbenches. So look, unfortunately,
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Speaker 16: I think that is just a reflection of where Parliament's
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Speaker 16: at the minute. More to the point I think is
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Speaker 16: that I think people expect the PM and senior members
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Speaker 16: of our Parliament to be traveling, and the reality is
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Speaker 16: when you add all those costs up, they unfortunately make
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Speaker 16: big numbers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon, you're probably right.
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Speaker 3: When things are going badly, it doesn't matter what you do,
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Speaker 3: you're going to cop criticism. If he travels, he's spending
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Speaker 3: too much money. If he doesn't travel well, he's not
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Speaker 3: fulfilling his duties as Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: And that's the problem.
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Speaker 3: When you can't get anything right, everything becomes a problem.
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Speaker 3: Let's return to today's headline story. Australia's die economic growth.
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Speaker 3: Government spending contributed just contributed zero point four percent to
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Speaker 3: the dune quarter outcome, clearly propping up the GDP. Daniel,
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Speaker 3: this is not sustainable at all. But let me go
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Speaker 3: to Andrew for a second. The sixth consecutive quarter that
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Speaker 3: our economic activity declined on a per capita basis.
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Speaker 17: Well, James, this reminds me of the time back when
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Speaker 17: I was a young fellow, when I was building building
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Speaker 17: business in the nineties. Tough times back then after the
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Speaker 17: recession that we had to have according to Paul Peting.
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Speaker 10: And here we are back there again.
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Speaker 17: We've seen the sixth quarter of negative growth, point two
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Speaker 17: percent of growth over the last quarter. Look, this is
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Speaker 17: dire times for the government. It doesn't seem to be
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Speaker 17: able to take a trick, and that's essentially because of
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Speaker 17: its own doing. You've got Jim Chalmers out there trying
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Speaker 17: to blame everybody by himself, is at war with the
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Speaker 17: Reserve Bank governor, is at war with the Productivity Commission.
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Speaker 10: The only thing he's not at war with is inflation.
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Speaker 17: And we all know that that's what's causing so much
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Speaker 17: grief for people right now, cost of living crisis. I
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Speaker 17: talk to a lot of people every day, as I'm
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Speaker 17: sure Daniel does as well, and so many people are
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Speaker 17: talking to me about their inability to be able to
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Speaker 17: make ends meet.
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Speaker 10: Even people who are on really good incomes.
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Speaker 17: I'm coming across now, which is unheard of on the
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Speaker 17: Sunshine Coast, people who have mums and dads two incomes,
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Speaker 17: both working and they're having to sleep in their cars
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Speaker 17: with their kids.
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Speaker 10: I mean, people.
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Speaker 17: Are really really doing it tough, and they're doing it
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Speaker 17: tough because.
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Speaker 10: Inflation is not abating, and inflation's not abating.
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Speaker 17: Because this government has got the wrong settings, the wrong
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Speaker 17: policy settings in place.
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Speaker 10: But you can't tell Jim because he knows all what
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Speaker 10: to do. Apparently.
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, Daniel Andrew, thanks for coming on the program.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. We'll stick around.
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Speaker 3: Coming up, we're going live to tell Aviv as the
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Speaker 3: UK's arms suspension leads to a diplomatic row with Israel.
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Speaker 3: Israeli MP Sharon Haskell joins me in just a moment,
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Speaker 3: Well Hamas continue to taunt grieving Israeli families, not content
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Speaker 3: with shooting hostages in cold blood to stop them being rescued.
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Speaker 3: The terrorist group has released a third video from one
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Speaker 3: of the six hostages murdered last week.
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Speaker 1: Now, I'm not.
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Speaker 3: Going to show you the clip because unlike Hamas, the
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Speaker 3: rest of us respect human dignity. But the video features
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Speaker 3: twenty five year old Uri de Nino, who is shown
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Speaker 3: accusing the Israeli government of abandoning him and his fellow hostages.
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Speaker 3: The propaganda vie ends with Hamas threatening to kill more
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Speaker 3: hostages and the ominous warning quote time is running out
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Speaker 3: for effect. The Hamas media team included sand running through
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Speaker 3: an hour glass.
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Speaker 1: Classy.
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Speaker 3: Let's cross live to tell Aviv now, where I'm joined
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Speaker 3: by Israeli MP Sharon Heskell. Sharon, thanks for being with me.
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Speaker 3: These hostage videos are beyond cruel. What's been the reaction
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Speaker 3: to them in Israel?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's absolutely heartbreaking. I mean the families of the hostages,
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Speaker 2: not just the six who were executed and brutally murdered,
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Speaker 2: but more than a hundred hostages were being held in
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Speaker 2: the dungeons of Hamas, being torture, starved, abuse physically and sexually.
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Speaker 2: They're absolutely horrifying. Our hearts are shadowed. These are you know,
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Speaker 2: our entire nation is not just mourning, but it's also
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Speaker 2: in a great fear for the lives of our family members,
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Speaker 2: daughters and parents and grandparents and babies and sisters and husbands.
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Speaker 2: But we want to bring back home as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 3: So that's now the big question. How do we get
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Speaker 3: the rest of the hostages home? Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya,
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Speaker 3: who's already under a lot of pressure to bring about
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Speaker 3: a ceasefire deal, But how do you make a deal
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Speaker 3: with people who use hostages to make propaganda videos before
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Speaker 3: shooting them in cold blood and then the next minute, oh,
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Speaker 3: let's negotiate a ceasefire.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the Americans, with the Katari and the
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Speaker 2: Egyptians have been sitting around the table for months now
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Speaker 2: trying to bring into youal and look I sit in
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Speaker 2: the opposition. I've been criticizing time after time about many
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Speaker 2: many things. But we have to say and we have
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Speaker 2: to see it upright. Nataniao said yes to a deal
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Speaker 2: a few months ago. Nataniao said yes for the deal
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Speaker 2: that's on the table right now. The American called it
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Speaker 2: a very generous deal. The ones who didn't show up
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Speaker 2: to the table, who refused to sit and even negotiate
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Speaker 2: who didn't send representatives or hamas, the ones who didn't
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Speaker 2: accept this deal, any deal is Hamas and and and As.
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Speaker 19: Much as this is difficult, you know, I am criticizing
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Speaker 19: a lot of what the government is doing now that
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Speaker 19: they did not put enough military pressure, not now, but
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Speaker 19: months ago in order to bring back our family members home.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look think about it. In March uh uh
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Speaker 2: there were many ministers and and and and Prime ministers
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Speaker 2: and Kamala Harris and and and and the entire international
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Speaker 2: community who said, you know, do not go into Rafa.
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Speaker 2: The hostages were executed in Rafa. If the IDEF three
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Speaker 2: months before, six months ago would have gone into Rafa,
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Speaker 2: there would have been more pressure on Commas and maybe
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Speaker 2: the IDEA would have been able to actually reach them
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Speaker 2: and rescue them. They could have been alive. And so yes,
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Speaker 2: you know, we're furious and we were heartbroken, and unfortunately
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Speaker 2: not many of our allies stood beside us to make
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Speaker 2: sure that we do everything in our capability to bring
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Speaker 2: them back home.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of allies, and we've only got a short time left,
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Speaker 3: but the United Kingdom has drawn heavy fire over its
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Speaker 3: incomprehensible decision to suspend thirty of its three hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty arms export licenses to Israel. And this move was
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Speaker 3: made apparently because of what the UK government called a
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Speaker 3: clear risk that the equipment might be used to commit
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Speaker 3: serious violations of international law. We've just got a short
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Speaker 3: time left, but what's been the action to that in Israel?
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Speaker 3: I mean, Israel would have expected the UK to be
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Speaker 3: lockstep with them in fighting terrorists, and now the UK
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Speaker 3: are forcing Israel to fight with one hand behind their back.
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Speaker 3: We've just got thirty seconds, but I wanted to get
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Speaker 3: your response to that.
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Speaker 2: So our alliance to defend freedom transcend any single government.
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Speaker 2: And it feels like the labor government in the UK
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Speaker 2: actually betrayed Israel. They betrayed their allies. We are fighting
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Speaker 2: the front war of radical Islam against Western civilization and
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Speaker 2: during these difficult time we really need our allies free
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Speaker 2: democracies in Western civilization. But we leave in freedom to
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Speaker 2: stand beside Sharon Sean.
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Speaker 3: I've got to leave you there, but thank you so
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Speaker 3: much for your time. That's all of my time gone,
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Speaker 3: But please don't go anywhere. Coming right up is Paul
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Speaker 3: Murray