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The IndyCar Report with Elijah Poe (2.319.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

• 0:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: You are listening to the Indie Car Report with Elijah Poe, every Thursday on the Central Indiana Sports Report, and today with special guest, Tipped in Tribune and Elwood Colliator Sports Editor, Michelle Garmin.
• 0:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, welcome to the Indie Car Report.
• 0:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Today we've got some big news this week in the series of Indie Car D2028.
• 0:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I are chassis has been announced, and I got to admit guys, it's a pretty good looking car.
• 0:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is.
• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a beauty.
• 0:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty impressed with what they've done.
• 0:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think specifically, like just off the first look, I like how that real, real wheel isn't fully covered anymore.
• 0:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like how it's more open.
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it just overall looks really sleek.
• 0:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be interested to see what tweaks they're going to make over the next year and a half.
• 1:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I love that rear wing as well.
• 1:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: That looks really, really cool.
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also like the prompt way, and all adjustments they've made to that, and I noticed they have two slightly different adjustments, one for oval, and one for road courses.
• 1:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just excited to see it, and I loved it.
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had two videos out.
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: As you know, now it's yesterday Matt Damon did one, but then Matt Damon did a new the other longer video they had out of on that car, and I don't know if you guys saw the longer video, but it was really neat too.
• 1:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will say I'm a little worried because the racing on ovals has been so good with these, but I do, I think my favorite thing about this is the safety features and anytime you can add new safety features to a car, that's as important as the car is being raised.
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're absolutely right.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think with those safety features, I thought it was interesting that IndyCar came out and you know, in the first couple of paragraphs of their press release said, we're looking to break track records, specifically the 1996 track record held by Ari LindyCar.
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that is a huge huge goal, but in all honesty, I think that's a goal IndyCar needs to be breaking.
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't get me wrong.
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think everybody loves the speed at the Indy500 and
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think if you can do it in a safe manner, there's no reason why we shouldn't be breaking track records, not every year, but pretty consistently.
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what, I agree.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Legend, when they, they talk about the super speedways.
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that means they're going to add maybe another racer to on the super speedway after the 28 car comes out.
• 2:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also like the fact, I'm sure it's going to go faster because there's a hundred pounds lighter.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's going to make a world of difference.
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if they start testing on tracks like Texas and Richmond and those tracks they used to be so successful on that this chassis wasn't quite capable of running on because it might be and they might be able to add ovals pretty quickly.
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they should, and I think it's interesting that they're going to stick with the hybrid, but that being said, the hybrid is going to be around.
• 3:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think I saw 10 to 14 times a more powerful and has more energy to store, so racers can use that out of longer period of time than they do now, which is going to be pretty interesting.
• 3:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I'm a little worried about
• 3:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: is we get this sort of yo-yo racing where cars are just passing each other because they have more energy stored.
• 3:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, that was a problem with Formula One this year at the beginning of the season.
• 3:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've obviously worked that out and I think any car could do that as well, but that is a lot of hybrid power.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: 10 to 14 times the amount of energy stored is a very significant number and up to 800 horsepower.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Love that.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Something that's interesting, I think
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting that the cars are so drastically different from the oval package compared to, you know, there's a minor difference mostly in the wings for this current setup, but it almost looks like you'll completely different car with what they're doing with both the front and rear wings.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know, another thing that it doesn't, I also like it will be interesting is that the new car is supposed to fit better for drivers, the different sizes, you know, different heights, different ways they're supposed to be able to be more comfortable in the cockpit and I think gosh, if you get drivers and they get even more comfortable, the changes they've made does make you think they are leading to some really fast speeds.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Both models, whether it's on the road course or on the oval, both look pretty beautiful too.
• 4:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a guy who's really cared that much about looks over the year, but I care about it a little bit.
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this thing looked pretty nice.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would honestly love to see somebody stick with that red and white livery that they have, because it looks so good.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I think something that... That was gonna look good in a lot of colors, Elijah.
• 5:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, give that to a new garden in his shell car for the 500 or Alex flows DHL man.
• 5:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can go up and down this roster and it's going to look really, really impressive.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think another thing that any car fans were saying, especially on Twitter, I thought was funny that they brought back the numbers on the side of the car going to be electronic again.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they had that about four or five years ago.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: where that they stop doing that.
• 5:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously the numbers are still going to be on the very very top of the car, but there's also going to be electronic numbers just to make it a little bit easier for fans to see who's going past them.
• 5:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's always kind of been an issue with Indie cars.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Far as back as I can go, as I can remember.
• 5:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some people go to the races and said I couldn't even tell which cars are which, when they're new, so they don't go back anymore.
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: and that's kind of always been an issue that's gotten better recently when it's consistently the same place on every car, but still community.
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Especially with the era McLaren pretty much is copying and pacing off three all three liver.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's true.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Marbo Benski cars used to do that too.
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: The only difference was one spot would have an orange little paint.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: One would have black paint and one would
• 6:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: three go ahead.
• 6:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here you go.
• 6:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ethel was great timing.
• 6:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, a lot of ways for Indie Car to unveil that this week because it has people discussing Indie Car while they were on a when I want to call a brief hiatus between races and so I think it's just kind of cool but draws up some interests of people just don't all of a sudden forget that Indie car is still running that's I think that may be the only thing.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: that I hate about like right now where we are in summer that they go up two, three weeks between races that I'd like to see and put something in that spot.
• 7:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to honestly maybe even see them kind of teased this release, maybe build up some hype and momentum around it, but I still think they did a pretty good job rolling it out.
• 7:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be really interested to see how this car has changed over the next coming years.
• 7:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously we've been in the same chassis now for about 14 years and if you go back 14 years the car looks completely different, so it's a good point.
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we are going to see some changes as we advance and
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think I will admit that front wing on the road and street courses, that thing looks absolutely ginormous with the three tiers on the front, front wing wing, it looks absolutely huge.
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, it almost makes kind of think of like a levered blind, you know?
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they are.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: They saw that's what I thought.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, it's almost like, oh, they opened the spaces to cut air, and I don't know, but I thought, that's kind of actually kind of cool.
• 8:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I wouldn't be surprised if we even see them slowly start to change stuff on the car, you know, when we get into testing, I think they're going to open up testing here in Indianapolis.
• 8:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to go to sea-brain, middle-high-o, and they definitely probably go to a short oval, maybe Phoenix or something like that, but it's going to be a pretty rigorous testing schedule from what I've read, so they're really going to run this thing and push it extremely hard, which is what they need to do because right now they've got a good formula.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you really cannot hype this thing up and it comes as 2028 and this thing is a stinker.
• 8:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because that it would be a horrible thing for sport, especially when you got such a good win right now.
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Elijah, don't mean to interrupt you as you open up the segment here, but
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Before we get to Portland, I just want to talk about how excited I am about this DC race and how much potential this has for just being a special event for the series.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's come out in the last couple of days that Indie cars actually spent well of 35 plus million dollars on this race, so it almost is to the point where this thing needs to work and I think Indie cars as obviously put the financial backing into it to work.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just really interested to see what these cars do on track because we know no matter what they do.
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: what they look like when they're racing man it's going to look good on tv no matter what it's going to be really really unique event and the dog days of august as well you know and he car has five races in august and i'll be interested to see how these teams handle it but i think there's no doubt out of all those five races uh maybe throughout the season other than 500 there hasn't been a race that's had this much hype in a long long time man if i liked crowds at all i would be there
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: 20 years ago, I would have been there.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would have made that drive overnight if I had to, but I got to appoint my life where I cannot deal with crowds, so I will not be going.
• 10:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to go to, but I will tell you what I have been in DC in August and I don't and if you don't handle him in humidity really well or you're trying to sell this room.
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be a very comfortable or a lot of fun, so I'm going to enjoy watching it on TV.
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm anxious to see the angles that the fox is going to be able to get the TV angles
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: whether I think it probably is a race, it would be hard to keep in DC like that because of closing down streets.
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I hope it's kind of the start for Indie Car, maybe to look at adding some kind of special venue every year, somewhere neat where you can take it and just go and give fans.
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like a one time event that can turn to something permanent.
• 11:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: If not having a DC I tell you what, there's a track of relatively close, good old walk-ins Glenn.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: We should be back there anyway.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I know forever they wanted to have a race through Manhattan.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if they could get that done just one time, let's do it.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I see what where Michelle's going on this and how cool would it be to see them racing down Lakeshore Drive in Chicago or something like that.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I like where Michelle's going with that.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then if you could get it, there was so popular that it was permanent, then
• 11:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: even better.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't see that happening in DC, but, um, who knows?
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would just don't really work in DC when you take all the, all the, all the security concerns and Roger Pinsky's not no one to write a check for 35 million dollars every year.
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, the logistics don't work on Lakeshore Driver and Manhattan either, but just thrown it out there.
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if there's a series that can do it and actually be trying new things right now, I think it's indie car.
• 12:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think they are.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Which I think in years past, I don't think they would have ever done anything like this.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a big credit to Fox buying a third of the series, buying a third of the track.
• 12:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's credit to Roger Pinsky as well for reaching out and trying to do new things.
• 12:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope this bet pays off, I really do.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was trepidacious about Roger Penske taking over the series and the track and also have his own team, but I got to say for my expectations, he has nailed this job.
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And clearly, his passion is the series, not just his team.
• 12:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, really well said.
• 12:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's been incredible.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: The climb in he cars made just in really a couple years.
• 12:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think he and him and Fox are our large reason for that.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I really think Fox has really done a good job this year.
• 13:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a much improved product that they're bringing to TVs into the fans over last year.
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think they've learned and they've just been really great.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know you've mentioned it before.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Elijah, some of their, the camera angles, or camera setups they've had.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of those street car races and road courses have just been phenomenal.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we've got a couple weekends off still until we get to August 9th, the first race back from this little summer break is going to be just one more just one more weekend off.
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love you.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just about say, just one more weekend off before we hit an absolute tear that is the close of this indie car season.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be, uh, I don't know how some of these teams are going to get through it, but it's to our benefit.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be chaotic in our home of it.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: they're going to be all over the country as far as as far as you can possibly go over the next month is going to be just fun that they're traveling from the west coast back east back in fourth a couple times that you got to hope for uh you know uh super bad weather events or anything that make
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: traveling hard and you know, and they're doing it still in the height of road construction.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I can't wait to see me, you know, we got a new track in Ontario after Portland.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then we got a new track in DC.
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think, you know, these next three weeks are going to be really, really fun to watch.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's going to show us some of the top tier drivers.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I've no doubt Pelosi going to be in contention every single one of these races.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we should talk about the championships since we have an off-week between an off-week, but is there any really point to talk about the championship?
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I guess you don't talk about probably who's going to win it because it would take the rest of the season's bad luck, you know, the last weeks for Polo not to bring home his fourth straight championship, but I do think the battle for second and third is going to be very
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know people go, well, you know, when that's like losing except when you're talking about drivers, you're looking at like a molluchus who's so young and how he handles this down the finish and can he make up some ground in the points race?
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: He just needs to be focused on getting a win.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a winner race this year.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you, well, you know, there's two shots here, Milwaukee and I honestly think Kirkwood is going to have the better end of the season.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: You look at some of the new courses, especially street, then going to Laguna Saka.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think if there's anybody that's going to close Earth 2, although I think it's going to be Kyle Malukus, I do think we kept on having this conversation all last year and all this year.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I do think the wind's coming eventually, even if it's out this year, there's no doubt he's the best Penske driver on that team.
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, at least the best while New Garden was recovering.
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Something else I think is going to be interesting is to see how these kind of like
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: musical chair among drivers and race teams when that's all going to come to a conclusion.
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that you have a few months between the end of the season and the start of next year, but I would think for sponsorship reasons for the fact of possibly, you know, when you start testing the 20, 28 car that you would rather have that situation,
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: no more sooner than later, no kind of know who is going to be in your garage and I'll part of your racing, even driver and owner and even crew sooner rather than later.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I know this is a little off topic, but I saw a report today that good old stingray Rob is committed $15 million to try to get himself a seat next year, which I think wow, I would be shocked to see him back in a seat, but then again, if you'd rate $15 million, I'm sure some teams are going to want, who are going to want that funding, that's for sure.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that was a perfect lead in Elijah to bonus time, a little extra indie car talk.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: There would be no editing on this part of the podcast, and it can go any direction we want.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And hey, I thought Stingray Rob is last race was pretty impressive.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like the dude and I hope he gets every chance possible.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's been a rough couple seasons for him.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: very well honored through the years of the guy that you just expect to be in last place.
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, do you think he's getting that money because I have seen, you know, I've seen a lot of stuff out there where there's a push to get Connor daily back and kind of a seat full time from some people and I mean he's a in my opinion he's a he's a better driver than stingray rob so I mean when you're looking and then you got some of those that you know those underguys coming up it's like
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, for St. Ray Rao, there's a lot more talent out there, so he wants that.
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: See, he prioritizes, he better come up with some cash.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because you guys guys like Enzo Fittipaldi and Nikita Johnson miles row, they're coming up.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there are just too many talented guys out there to be dealing with this.
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I do like Stingray.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he is a great dude.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's too much talent in this series to be dealing with the seat buyers.
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think, I mean, on on on a face value level, you know, sure you look at other racing series around the world and, you know, there are people who buy the seats.
• 19:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's very, that's very common, but you look at the best racing series around the world and it's very rare that you have somebody in Formula One ever.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just be having enough money, and so we're gonna give this guy a seat.
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just got some of the aspects I understand You know, it is running a business in Indie car at the end of the day.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is a business only a team You don't really do it to make money, but then again you still have to not be losing millions of dollars So I get that on on the on the business side, but
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would just like to see the best drivers being in the best seats, and I think don't get me wrong.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like Greg said, I do think Stingray Rao is probably a good personality for her sport, and it might just be because his name is Stingray Rao, but even if it is, I just don't think he really deserves a seat where there could be a really talented young driver just in the waiting.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you know what?
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think steam rain what series?
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think steam rain Rob belongs in I think he needs to go to the NASCAR trucks series because that's named And that's kind of what I heard that's kind of how I think of the truck series is a you have some good racetrack I was but some fun names and just fun personalities
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: He would kill it.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great, uh, great analysis because, we like you said, it's not like he is a horrible driver.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's had some good moments this season, uh, but every once in a while, you know, everybody's gonna have a good moment.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he really does seem to have a good personality, but it's hard to show off your personality where you're usually in the last place.
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's, that's also true.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: is a way better personality than a couple of guys I'm not going to name who I kind of forget they exist even though they've won the NB 500 market share.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: What, you know, when you think about it, when you look at the series and drivers that have more interactions with their fans, I mean, indie card does some, and especially at some race, race venues, more than others, but I really think sometimes NASCAR, but like their
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's kind of minor league and people go the ticket, you know, it's big go, they enjoy it, and different things, and they can have that interaction.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: The way Rob has that personality or he can draw crowds, and he has more opportunities.
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think to be interviewing a pure own radio, interviews, and our podcast because of his personality in a series like that is opposed to indie car.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, I do the other day.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't be surprised if he's back in a seat.
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: $15 million, especially like for a Dale coin racing.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a pretty damn good check-a-change.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it will help with the other program too.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he should.
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It will help with the other program too, for sure.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to, I'm not going to complain about Stingray robbing in the series, that's for sure.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would like, and honestly, there are a few or seat buyers right now that they've ever been.
• 22:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that's a great almost everybody had to buy their way in at some point but right now everyone almost everyone's in on their merit either their merit or their potential yeah yeah i think i think it's got to the point where that is uh... where any cars at and i think it's better for it yeah it used to be twenty of the cars in the any five hundred field but guys who probably
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, it's, well, it's got a long way from there.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes I've almost, I'd almost prefer that, just to get it full-field.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've got some nice Carlson.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, yeah, I'm sure that was terrible.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the Endie 500, amazing that day.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: The race was as good as any race you've ever seen at the 500 to that point.
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Buddy, Luzir, wins another great personality.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they decide they're gonna race right after the 500, the Michigan Speedway at Cart, and on the Pace Slap, the entire field crashes.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they went back up cars and started over in backup cars that hadn't been run all week.
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe with this new car that I'd love to see them back at Michigan that be awesome.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the lesson learned on that is don't go against the ND500.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ever.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: ever.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: You hear that Roger Pinsky.
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: You made a huge mistake.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: He admits it to the right now.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: They made him steak.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: They overreacted.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tony George wanted to do something good for the sport.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: They overreacted.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: He took his ball and went home and everybody shares a little blame in that, but it got to the point where the racing is really, really good.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: If nothing else, the IRL made this kind of racing way more competitive.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they need to happen, you know, everything happens for a reason, so I guess we'll see, uh, I think in the coming years, you know, I don't think it's going to eclipse formula 1 numbers anytime soon, uh, but, you know, and the coming years, I wouldn't be surprised if it made me eclipse as a NASCAR.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I actually, I think, you know, NASCAR, I, I just don't, I just don't watch it anymore.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Indicard did.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: some of the same things, I don't like the stages.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, they talked about the dueling attendance at the brick yard, but somebody added it up and they had like, an hour of their time was under caution, flags because of their stages, running in the three stages.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Quit it.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a way to make it bonus points without that fans don't want to see that.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the fact that they have the playoff.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm one of them that didn't enjoy what NASCAR is not.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's the personality, I think it's the personalities as well, you know, you look at Prime MassCar with Jeff Gordon, Jimmy Johnson, Tony Stu, or Brasquez Laoski, I don't know they some of these guys are still racing.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were fireworked every weekend.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And nowadays, I don't even know half the guys, yep, that's right.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I agree, you know, the same way, I mean, that little rivalry when Dale Earnhardt, you know, he was
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: In his later stages of NASCAR, Jeff Gordon comes in, but they respect each other, but it was a great rivalry, and yes, I don't think NASCAR has those rivalries anymore, and the sad part is I really think one of the drivers that kind of did, and had some of that, was Kyle Bush, and now, you know, he lost, you know, Kyle Bush, you know, you lost one of the, probably you lost the last great, you know,
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: true old hot, you know, from the years past, racing personalities.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: He definitely was.
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to say earlier, when Michelle and I were growing up, the end of 500 was typically more often than not decided by a lap or more.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It happened a lot and when IRL came around and it had started to really become more competitive before then, but when the IRL came out, that's when you started to see the nose, the tail racing that we see today and that kind of period, it kind of felt like it was all a giant
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it kind of in the end was probably a good thing for the sport Yeah, it all worked out and definitely benefiting off that today.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: You knew it would have been the IRL champion from this year's series Hmm, or from last year as I guess Connor Daley Yeah, everyone was a short oval every weekend
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, or in the, or along with Ovala had Michigan, and they did some of those, but that was every race, and, uh, so that would have been kind of his playground.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he was in it for a little while, right?
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Was he, did he do any IRL?
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was a little after the IRL.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe just a little bit.
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's too bad because, uh, that series was made for him.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, Buddy was here.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We wouldn't know who Buddy Lizier was without a series that was ovals every weekend.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that guy had the old gigantic balls?
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I will say this.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was never on a team that was good enough to win, but he won anyway, because he was going to do things that nobody else was going to do.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: He had a good personality too.
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I always enjoy listening to buddies, interviews, sometimes, I mean, it's, I shouldn't say, sometimes I always enjoy listening to his interviews because it was, it was just, it was different.
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's because he wasn't a, you know, necessarily a household big-time name when he first started
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a great family, his dad was a great driver, his brother was a very good driver, great, great family.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Veil Colorado.
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Elijah interrupted you.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I was just going to say that those personalities in Indicore, I mean they're still
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So many unique personalities in the sport today, which is that's why I think it's so easy for new fans to latch on to the sport.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there are so many different types of drivers that any car has on the grid.
• 29:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like a NASCAR where you don't really know who this person is.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Any car teams do a great job of marketing themselves to be readily available to fans.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they do a damn good job of that.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cart got all the big names, but the IRL got all the personalities because all the sprint, midget guys came into the sport suddenly that weren't able to really do it when it was on road and street courses and Tony Stewart came up through the IRL and Eddie Gever and a lot of just incredible personalities, Thomas Shector, man, what a crazy dude that guy was.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, just a pretty good time in racing to be covering in the car like I was full-time back then.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a perfect time.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Michelle, thank you so much, Elijah.
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Take his home.
• 30:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks for joining in to any car port.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: We have another full week before again to Portland here next week.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking forward to it should be another good race.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Plus bonus time.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we got some bonus time.
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks everybody.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was one of the really episode of the indie cardboard.
• 30:57
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• 31:02
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• 31:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I love Susie.