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#2543 - MrBallen · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: Joe podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out The Joe Logan Experience, Train My Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Rogan podcast, by night, all days going on, good Man,
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  Speaker 1: this is crazy. I can't believe I'm here.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe anybody can't believe they're here.
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  Speaker 1: I do. This is like hallow ground. I mean, I've
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  Speaker 1: been watching you like the rest of the world for years.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I've seen I've seen so many clips of
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  Speaker 1: this space, so many somebody references to Jamie and to
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  Speaker 1: be here right now, it's very cool. So I'm honored.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Oh, thank you, thank you. I'm glad you're here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It is always weird when you go someplace where you
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  Speaker 2: Like the first time I did Howard Stern, it felt
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  Speaker 2: the same way, like you're in the building.
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  Speaker 1: Like what the fuck?
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  Speaker 2: This is the actual Howard Stern show that I used
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  Speaker 2: to listen to on the radio. Like it really freaked
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  Speaker 2: me out. I couldn't sleep the night before. I did
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  Speaker 2: yoga in my hotel room. Try to calm down.
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  Speaker 1: When was this? When did you do this?
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  Speaker 2: Long time ago? Two thousand probably one or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Was this like prime Fear Factor days?
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  Speaker 2: But you know what, I might have done it before
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  Speaker 2: I did Fear Factor.
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  Speaker 1: Great show, by the way, thank you, great show.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, it's it was a good sign our society was
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  Speaker 2: about to crumble when historians go back and look at
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  Speaker 2: like the decline of society, Like remember when they started
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  Speaker 2: making people eat dicks on TV? They started making people
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  Speaker 2: eat animal balls and animal dicks on TV.
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  Speaker 1: That might have been sorry it that was Rogan's interview
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  Speaker 1: on on on that show what's his name again? I
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  Speaker 1: just blacked out the guy you just said you had
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  Speaker 1: an interview.
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  Speaker 2: With, Well, it was like I did it. We did
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  Speaker 2: Fear Factor. It started airing right after September eleventh, like
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  Speaker 2: literally right after Fear Factory.
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the narratives, one of the reporters asked me,
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  Speaker 2: and like one of those stupid press junket things you
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  Speaker 2: have to do, was is it do you think it's
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  Speaker 2: appropriate to scare American right after what just happened at
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  Speaker 2: nine to elevens?
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  Speaker 1: What the fucking is on me? Now? Like what are
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  Speaker 1: you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: It's distraction, it's entertainment and they're eating animal dicks. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: shut the fuck up, watch it or don't watch it.
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  Speaker 2: Who cares? But it's like if you wanted to look
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  Speaker 2: at like where society used to be, like Friends Seinfeld,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the good old days, The good old days,
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  Speaker 2: Miami Vice. It was television shows that were like shows,
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  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, anybody could be on
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  Speaker 2: TV if you're willing to eat the animal dicks.
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  Speaker 1: True, that was the threshold.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good. It's weird because that kind of ushered
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  Speaker 2: in social media. It's very similar in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 2: like the people that were willing to go on these
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  Speaker 2: reality shows, especially stuff like Big Brother where you just
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  Speaker 2: live in a house with a bunch of people, Like,
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  Speaker 2: how fucking weird. You're just being filmed constantly in this
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  Speaker 2: pressure situation.
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  Speaker 1: Producers are fucking you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, might' have been talking a lot of shit behind
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  Speaker 2: your back. You might want to get ahead of this.
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  Speaker 1: What Mike, I could never do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, well you're not stupid, or you're not young,
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  Speaker 2: or you're not desperate. We had a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: that were just in like credit card debt and shit,
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  Speaker 2: and they were like, look, if I can win this
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  Speaker 2: fucking thing like normal people, They're like, it could be fun.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell my kids about it. We will watch this forever,
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  Speaker 2: and I can win fifty thousand dollars so I can
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  Speaker 2: pay off my credit card debt.
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  Speaker 1: That's noble, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Well, sometimes people have to do what they have to do,
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  Speaker 2: you know. But but there's also a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: that want attention in any way possible. And that's like
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  Speaker 2: the people that are you know, you see so many
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  Speaker 2: people online that are doing stuff that have fucking nothing
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  Speaker 2: to say, but they're just trying to find something where
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  Speaker 2: people pay attention to them.
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  Speaker 1: What's running up to people and slapping them, throwing.
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  Speaker 2: Glasses of water in their face, whatever, they have to do,
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  Speaker 2: anything they have to do to get attention. And if
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  Speaker 2: you trace that back, it kind of started with reality
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  Speaker 2: shows where people started to be able to get attention
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  Speaker 2: just being a buffoon.
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  Speaker 1: I covered a store, so for those who don't know me,
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  Speaker 1: I tell strange, dark and mysterious stories on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: And I covered a story that was like the epitome
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  Speaker 1: of this. It's the idea of doing anything for clicks.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the dates, but it was like within
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  Speaker 1: the past ten fifteen years, there was this group of
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  Speaker 1: or there was this one Russian influencer this is I
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  Speaker 1: want to say, Circle twenty ten, and she wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do something really special for her birthday, to document her
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  Speaker 1: birthday and get as many clicks as possible. And she
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  Speaker 1: filled this pool up with dry ice, like this is
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  Speaker 1: water plus dry ice, and she invited all her friends
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  Speaker 1: over and they like took They documented themselves going into
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  Speaker 1: this pool, and she is I think hundreds of thousands,
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  Speaker 1: if not millions of followers at the time, and so
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  Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, it's the big birthday celebration. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was live. And they go into the tub and
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  Speaker 1: the music's playing and then no one comes out of
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  Speaker 1: the tub and it's just the silence. They all die.
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  Speaker 1: They all die from suffocation. I think it was not
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  Speaker 1: exactly he died from dry ice, but it's I think
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  Speaker 1: it eradicates the oxygen and so there's died. But it's
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  Speaker 1: like how many people died? I'm gonna say, it's like, yeah, three,
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  Speaker 1: there you got three people?
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  Speaker 2: What first of all, like dry ice you can't even
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  Speaker 2: get on.
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  Speaker 1: Your skin, kay, you know, we jumped into a pool
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  Speaker 1: of bit I.
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  Speaker 2: Was thinking it just tortured their skin. Three die in
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  Speaker 2: Moscow party after dry ice thrown into pool. I wonder
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  Speaker 2: how much dry ice takes to kill three people.
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  Speaker 1: I think a better question is what was the engagement
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  Speaker 1: like on that post, because in some ways that's what
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  Speaker 1: it's all about.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the name it got that Na the Danko.
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  Speaker 1: A popular Instagram influencer.
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  Speaker 2: There we go, focusing on pharmaceutical products. What with more
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  Speaker 2: than a million followers. Two people died of the scene,
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  Speaker 2: a third died in the hospital, Russia's Investigative Committee said
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  Speaker 2: in a statement announcing the criminal probe into the incident.
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  Speaker 2: Where you do not want to get arrested and go
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  Speaker 2: to jail in Russia. No, they don't fuck around generally not,
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  Speaker 2: they do not fuck around.
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  Speaker 1: Ask Britney Grinder. They don't fuck her out. She's out, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's out, But she.
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  Speaker 2: Did nine months?
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  Speaker 1: Was it nine or ten?
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  Speaker 2: I think she was sentenced for nine fucking years.
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  Speaker 1: And that was for marijuana possession.
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  Speaker 2: At the end, it was she just had a CBD
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  Speaker 2: vate pen. I mean, I guess it was probably marijuana,
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  Speaker 2: but it was a vate pen and they jail put
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  Speaker 2: her in jail, like hardcore jail for nine fucking years.
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  Speaker 1: Periodically, I'll see like images of Russian courtrooms and I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know the stories, but always it's like the
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  Speaker 1: accused is sitting inside of like a jail cell that's
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the courtroom like iron bars, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, whatever they've done it, they're facing the death penalty.
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  Speaker 1: They have to be or they pissed off Putin. Yeah, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, but it's it's a gnarly place
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  Speaker 1: over there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you better be friends with the right people over there.
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  Speaker 2: You can't fuck around, now, dude, you can't fuck around.
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  Speaker 2: Let's that's why, Like, I mean, how many times have
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  Speaker 2: like political opponents of Putin gotten poisoned or gotten murdered,
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  Speaker 2: and not just him but a bunch of other prominent
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  Speaker 2: figures that had other people running against them.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a shady business over there. The shadiest is
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  Speaker 1: the shadiest. Man.
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  Speaker 2: Make sure for some very interesting people.
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  Speaker 1: Though.
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  Speaker 2: Russian people are fascinating. I've met a a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: brilliant Russian people, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I found that they're very in my limited exposure. Guy, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: here we go, and this guy tries to get all
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  Speaker 1: that little slip first. Oh wow, he doesn't give up,
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  Speaker 1: do it? Oh that's right, he goes through the roof.
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  Speaker 1: He's smart. I'm amazed that he was able to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Though, what a fucking psycho. Look at it. He looks
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  Speaker 2: like a psycho.
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  Speaker 1: Though. He looks like a guy that should be dead.
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  Speaker 2: Look so, you guy probably spent a lot of time
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  Speaker 2: in jail, but he was climbing through the bucking his
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  Speaker 2: pants off, look at to daze in his nuts.
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  Speaker 1: That's not okay. It's a rough spot, rough spot on earth.
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  Speaker 1: Tough people.
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  Speaker 2: How did you get started in this whole creepy storytelling
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  Speaker 2: thing on YouTube?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I originally was in the military. I was
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  Speaker 1: a seal. I did seven years in the teams, and
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  Speaker 1: then when I got out in twenty seventeen, I kind
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  Speaker 1: of drifted a little bit, you know. I did some
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  Speaker 1: work with charity, did some veteran charity work, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I just sort of floundered around for a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years. And I'm married, I got three kids,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some sort of like trying to figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: I have this small pension coming in that's enough to
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  Speaker 1: sort of subsist on. But then I actually I remember
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  Speaker 1: watching a lot of Gary V, and more specifically, I
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  Speaker 1: saw Gary V was just every post he did it
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  Speaker 1: was like everybody, no matter how old you are, no
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  Speaker 1: matter what you're doing, you should be posting content online
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  Speaker 1: like everyone should be doing it. And when I was
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  Speaker 1: in the military, you're sort of in a bubble. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you certainly have access to the Internet and all the
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  Speaker 1: things that everybody else does. In the civilian world, but
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  Speaker 1: especially in the sealed teams, from my experience, you're so
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  Speaker 1: like tribal. All your time is spent really with your
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  Speaker 1: teammates or at the team. It's very isolated and you
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  Speaker 1: don't even realize it. And so I was not. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have social media when I got I wasn't up
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  Speaker 1: to date on modern stuff. And Gary Vee was sort
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  Speaker 1: of the first sort of civilian person I was seeing
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  Speaker 1: that this is what you do, you know, as a
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  Speaker 1: civilian you post constantly, and I began, in addition to
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  Speaker 1: doing some charity work, I was doing just trying my
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  Speaker 1: hand at social media, you know, posting content. It's like
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  Speaker 1: so bad it was what was the intent? You know, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't a clear intent other than what the hell, like,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't cost I'm already paying for the Internet, I
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  Speaker 1: already own a phone that effectively, the worst that will
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  Speaker 1: happen is I will embarrass myself by posting something that
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  Speaker 1: nobody cares about, or maybe my friends and family. We'll
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  Speaker 1: see and it'll be embarrassing. But I've always been someone
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  Speaker 1: that's been pretty comfortable with sort of embarrassing myself. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you think about seal training, a big part of
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  Speaker 1: it is you're raising your hand in a pretty public way,
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  Speaker 1: at least amongst your circle of friends and families, saying
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go see if I'm good enough, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't. And so I went through
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  Speaker 1: that process and was and I narrowly got through. But
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  Speaker 1: I sort of had it in my mind that whatever
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  Speaker 1: really try stuff, and so social media, influenced heavily by
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  Speaker 1: Gary Vee, it was like, why not, I'll post content,
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  Speaker 1: maybe someone will be interested. Nothing worked. Nothing worked. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it wasn't even like some was close. It was
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  Speaker 1: just nobody was paying attention. And it was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not devastated. It is what it is. But then
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  Speaker 1: I on a whim. I myself personally love strange, dark
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  Speaker 1: and mysterious content. I used to love going to There's
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  Speaker 1: a YouTube channel I think it's still around now. It's
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  Speaker 1: called Dark five, and all it is is just it's
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  Speaker 1: like crazy true mysteries around the world, you know, talking
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  Speaker 1: about how there's like, you know, potentially military bases hidden
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  Speaker 1: in Antarctica and there's the UFO sightings here. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was fascinating and on a whim. In twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: when my social media career is basically non existent, I
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  Speaker 1: was at this water park in indoor water Park with
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  Speaker 1: my wife and kids, a Great Wolf Lodge in Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: Great Spot, and I was like, you know, what go
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  Speaker 1: I to do. I'm going to try something I haven't
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  Speaker 1: tried on my social media attempt so far. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to tell like a crazy mystery, a true mystery that
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  Speaker 1: I think is really interesting because I think it's cool.
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  Speaker 1: It's the first time. I'm not trying to copy trends
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  Speaker 1: or like do Gary Vee content. I'm just going to
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  Speaker 1: like tell a story I like. And I pull out
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  Speaker 1: my phone and I tell this sixty second rendition of
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  Speaker 1: this mystery called the dyatlav Past Mystery. Are you familiar
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  Speaker 1: with this? No? Oh great, it's a great story. I
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  Speaker 1: post the sixty second version of the story, but I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you the story in a minute. I leave my
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  Speaker 1: phone in the room because I'm going into the water park,
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  Speaker 1: into water park. I don't want to get wet, so
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  Speaker 1: leave it there, come back two hours later. Millions of
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  Speaker 1: views on this video, and I've never gotten views on anything,
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  Speaker 1: and it's millions of views. There's like just a few hours,
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  Speaker 1: in a few hours, like five million views on this video. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: was it TikTok? TikTok? This is when TikTok was just
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  Speaker 1: to the moon. So there's this It's an amazing story.
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  Speaker 1: You probably have heard of it because it's one of
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  Speaker 1: those stories that it's made its rounds on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: So in night Remember I told the sixty second version
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  Speaker 1: was gritty, but it had the pictures and stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty nine, there were these nine hikers, actually
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  Speaker 1: there was ten, these ten young like twenty something year
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  Speaker 1: old hikers in Russia and they were like the best
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  Speaker 1: mountaineers in Russia at the time, and they were going
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  Speaker 1: for there what's called their Level three hiking test, which
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  Speaker 1: sounds sort of lame, but it's it's effectively at the
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  Speaker 1: time in Russia, this is like the top credential for mountaineers.
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  Speaker 1: If you have this credential, you are the best mountaineer
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  Speaker 1: in the land, and the way the test worked is
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  Speaker 1: effectively you're in a class of your own at this
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  Speaker 1: level already, it's sort of like being a PhD student
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  Speaker 1: where you sort of create your own material. You have
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  Speaker 1: to do that for this test. You map out a
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  Speaker 1: route that you'll take that effectively checks off all the
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  Speaker 1: boxes of difficulty. You put this map down, somebody approves
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be hard enough that if you
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  Speaker 1: successfully navigate this course that you've mapped out an x
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  Speaker 1: amount of time. If you do that, you pass the test.
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  Speaker 1: You're a level three mountaineer. And so these ten hikers
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  Speaker 1: eventually actually only nine left. One had a dental issue,
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  Speaker 1: so he's spared himself. Nine of these hikers, they step out,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was in January of nineteen fifty nine,
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  Speaker 1: to do this hike that's been planned out, and they
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  Speaker 1: brought cameras along, and they're like this young, they're beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: they're all like couples, they're all.
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  Speaker 2: Friends, and it sounds like an awesome opening to a
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  Speaker 2: horror movie.
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  Speaker 1: This gets wild. If you've not heard this story, you're
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  Speaker 1: in for a treat because the pictures are crazy. They
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  Speaker 1: step out, and the eural mountains is is rugged it's
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  Speaker 1: like these huge, wind swept, icy mountains. There's like a
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  Speaker 1: couple sections of forests, but it's just as rugged as
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  Speaker 1: rugged can be. And so these hikers step off and
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  Speaker 1: they start taking pictures. And even though it's nineteen fifty nine,
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  Speaker 1: the pictures they're taking could be taken today. It's almost
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  Speaker 1: like selfie style. They're smiling. Everyone's in such good spirits.
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  Speaker 1: They know they're going to pass this test. This is
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  Speaker 1: nothing for them, this is a victory lap, and so
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  Speaker 1: off they go into the Ural mountains. It's going to
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  Speaker 1: be like a multi day hike, but they're expected to
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  Speaker 1: be out or I guess, finished with their route. I
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  Speaker 1: think on February twelfth. So it's a several week long
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  Speaker 1: hike February twelfth, and they were supposed to send some
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  Speaker 1: message to say they were complete with the hike. February
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  Speaker 1: twelfth comes and no message is sent. No one gets
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  Speaker 1: worried that these nine hikers have successfully navigated this treacherous
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  Speaker 1: stretch of the mountains, And at first, to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: no one was really that concerned because one there's nine
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  Speaker 1: of them. They are quite literally some of the best
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  Speaker 1: mountaineers in the land. If anybody can withstand the elements.
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  Speaker 1: It's them and so there wasn't this immediate call to action.
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  Speaker 1: But over the coming days after February twelfth, the families
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  Speaker 1: of these nine hikers got really concerned. They're like, we
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  Speaker 1: haven't heard from them. Where are they? Like, the government
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  Speaker 1: needs to get involved, somebody needs to go looking for them.
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  Speaker 1: And so eventually at the end of February, a search
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  Speaker 1: party is launched for these hikers. And at first it
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  Speaker 1: was just a couple of volunteers. It was some students
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  Speaker 1: from a university. It was not that serious of a search.
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  Speaker 1: But they eventually come across their campsite and pictures are
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  Speaker 1: taken of their campsite. So, from a strategic perspective, not
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  Speaker 1: that I claimed to be a mountaineer, but if you
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  Speaker 1: were going to be setting up a place, if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to set your tent up in a really rugged
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  Speaker 1: environment like the ural mountains, the worst place to put
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  Speaker 1: your tent is the side of a wind swept mountain
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  Speaker 1: where there are no trees, because you'll get no it'll
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  Speaker 1: be relentless wind. Any weather's going to be worse up there.
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  Speaker 1: You're on a slope avalanche risk. I mean, the worst
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  Speaker 1: place you could put your tent is the side of
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: a mountain, And so they're looking for these missing hikers,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: who are the best hikers, and they find their tent.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: They're one canvas tent that's right in the middle of
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: this pass called it I believe it's called the d'atlau Pass,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: which is why the mystery has been named the d'atlav Pass.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: It's just one loan tent and there's no trees, nothing,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: it's just and so they go up to the tent.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: The hikers are not there, but the tent is collapsed,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: as you see in the picture there, and they look
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: inside the tent and there's clothes like cold weather gear,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: there's pots, and there's a lot of equipment that you
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: would imagine they would have brought with them out here
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: is still in the tent. The hikers are missing, and
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: they discover through whatever testing they did, that there was
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: a cut made in the tent that apparently was made
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: from the inside out. Someone took a knife and I
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: believe it was a knife and cut the tent open
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: from the inside out. And so they have all this
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: equipment and they're thinking this is we're in the middle
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: of the ural mountains, it's like negative forty degrees fahrenheit
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: out here. It's the middle of winter. You need this
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: equipment to survive. Where are the hikers? They left all
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: their equipment in their tent. Where are they? And so
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the search expanded exponentially at that point, because now these
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: these volunteers have discovered this incredible site, they can't find
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: the hikers. A bigger search party comes out there and
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: they discover footprints that are about one hundred feet away
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: from where the tent was found. It's a little bit
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: further down the mountain, and the footsteps, some of them
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: are two boots, you know, matching boots of someone's steps.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: There's eight or nine prints, they couldn't be sure, eight
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: or nine sets of prints. Some have only one booton,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: like barefoot and a boot. Others are just barefoot. And
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: remember this is the middle of winter in Russia. But
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: they're looking at these prints and if you look at
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: the tent, it's been cut from the inside. They've clearly
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: abandoned their tent. Something's happened. But the cadence of the
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: footprints as it picks up where they found it near
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the tent, going down the mountain away from the the
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: camp site. They're walking. There's no sense of urgency. Someone
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: analyzed the footprints and they're walking. So they're walking down
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: the mountain, some without boots on, some with one boot on,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: leaving most of their equipment behind. And so these the
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: search party, they follow these prints down to the edge
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: of this ominous looking forest. There's only so many forests
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: out there. This is one of them, this relatively small
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: but fairly dense forest, and the prints sort of stop
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: right there at the edge of the forest, and so
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: they go into the trees. They're looking around, and they
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: eventually come across this big cedar tree, and at the
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: base of the cedar tree is this little burned out fire,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: like a puny little fire, and then crouched around it
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: as one of the hikers who's deceased. And I believe
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: there's a picture. I don't know if you can show
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: it on your channel, but sure, yeah, So there's a
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: picture of one of the hikers who is sort of
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: almost like he was trying to get warmth against this fire.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's that one. There are some right
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: near the cedar tree. I'm sure you can find them.
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  Speaker 1: Only one is dead and then another one is sort
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: of nearby as well, So there's two hikers that are
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: both deceased. From the initial thought is exposure, hypothermia, exposure,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: But critically there's a couple of really weird things about it. One,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I think that's got to be the picture right there,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and that does not show the bodies, but the bodies
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: are near I think that's one right there to the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: right of that that could be one of them, But
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: picture two bodies sort of laying scattered nearby. They look
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: at the tree that was at the base of where
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the fire was, and there are signs that something was
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: trying to climb the tree. There's broken branches and the like,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and there's human tissue. That sounds way more extreme than
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to, but there's human tissue far pretty high
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: up this tree that suggests somebody had climbed up the tree.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And then they examined the bodies and they found one
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of the men had his hand, part of his hand
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: he had bitten off and was in his throat or
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: it might have been human tissue as well, but it
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: was clearly in his mouth. Like he was eating his
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: own flesh or at least arrived in his mouth. So
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: they're dead. And so the search expands within this forest
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and they find three more hikers sort of about one
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: hundred or two hundred feet away from from this tree.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: They're in similar condition. They're all deceased. They're all sort
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: of ragged, some of them are only wearing, you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit of clothing. They're all dead, but they
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: can't find the remaining four hikers. They continue to search
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: for the next several days, but the weather was pretty severe,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and so ultimately they decided that at this point it's
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: a recovery mission. We're not We're not going to find them.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: They're going to be they're gonna be dead. So they
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: waited until the thaw in May, and once the snow
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: had thought of it, they came out there and they
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: found this what looked to be like the They believe
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that a snow ford had been made maybe three or
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: four hundred feet away from that cedar tree, which they
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have seen it during the winter. It was barely
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't have seen it, but it had melted down
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: enough and the rest of the bodies were found in
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the remnants of the snow cave, and the four hikers
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that were in there just had catastrophic injuries. They're all deceased.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: The woman or one of them had a crush injury.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: His chest was They compared the injury to his chest
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: equivalent to being struck by a car at high speed. However,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: he had no or limited lacerations, like there was no
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: impact to his body. His chest was sort of just
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: inexplicably caved in, and so he's been crushed. One guy,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I think his skull was fractured and a piece of
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: his skull was missing. But the one that stands out
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: is there was one hiker, a woman who her lips
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and her eyes were missing, and some accounts claimed that
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the lips appeared to have been surgically removed. At least
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: there was like very tight lines of how it was predation,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: animal predation you'd see tearing. This was like relatively straight
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: lines where her lips were removed. And then another hiker
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: his eyes were also missing, and so they're all dead.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And they also noticed that the woman was wearing men's
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: clothing or some clothing that was clearly not hers. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: then one of the men or a couple of the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: men were wearing some of her clothing. They had exchanged clothing,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and they found trace levels, albeit small, but trace levels
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: of radiation on some of the clothing. And they're all dead.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And so now all the hikers have been found. And
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: by this point, this is in May of nineteen sixty,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I believe it is. At this point, this is a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: huge story in Russia. This is equivalent to being super
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: viral today. Everybody was talking about it. The families are
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: very outspoken about it. People want answers. They wouldn't know
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: what happened, and so the Russian government they launched this
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: investigation into what happened out there in the d'atlav pass,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and quickly they shut down this investigation, like very quickly,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: they shut it down. And the only things people heard
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: were there were numerous reports from military personnel and some
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: civilians who apparently were in the area in the Urals
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that claimed to have seen glowing orbs like fireballs. I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: think they described them as being balls of fire and
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: light shooting up and down. It's hard to tell if
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: it was in the same area where the hikers were,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: but there were all these independent reports of strange lights
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: over the ural mountains that could corroborate or could line
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: up with when those hikers all died. And then also lastly,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the Russian government came out and said, well, we've determined
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: that the nine hikers died from an overwhelming or I
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: think they called it a compelling force. And then they
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: closed it. I believe they made it completely confidential. The
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: families didn't get access to it. It's completely shut down.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: And then in twenty twenty, the reason I told it
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: is because it sort of began making rounds because I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: believe some of the pictures had been redacted and you
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: could see these pictures. And so I said at the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: start of my video, at the end of this sixty
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: second clip, you're going to google two words, and it
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: was datlav pass And so I tease the story instead
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: google it for yourself. And it's a whole rabbit hole
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of crazy stuff.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: That's a crazy story. So compelling force is a very
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: weird way to describe a bunch of people dying. Compelling force.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: It might have been compelling natural force, but death, well
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the thing they could have come out and said that
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: right then, They basically said.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: You're sure it's not a translation issue.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: There are several translations of how it came out, and
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: it effectively amounts to some sort of compelling overwhelming force.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Does Russia have a different way of distinguishing how people
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: die in autopsy reports than we do?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe, I'm not sure. To be honest, I'm not sure.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: That it might be like the way Russian language works
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: and where they describe things like they might have categor
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: for deaths in a compelling natural force might just mean
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: like it could freezing to death is in the same
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: category as like dying in the Mohave desert.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I think that that's that's I've always assumed that probably
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: what happened is something rational happened. I mean, when when
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you become hypothermic, you can have it's called paradoxical undressing,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: where at your final stage of when you're so cold,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you actually get hot and you take your clothes off,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and I would imagine if you're in the final stages
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: of dying, you might do some funny things and also.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: To cut your lips off, though would you surgically remove
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: your lips?
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And where are the lips? Yeah?
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Then the question is like is there an image of that,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: like can we see it? Like this is one of
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the things that people talk about all the time when
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: it comes to crop circles. Excuse me, uh, cattle mutilation.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I put them all on the same category and sort
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: of fuck knows what that is. But cattle mutilation. One
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: of the weird things that that's that they associate with
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: extraterrestrials or whatever they think it is, is that these
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: cuts are very surgical. Yeah, and it's not an animal
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: just tearing apart a cow that these these cuts, they
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: look like they're made with a scalpel or perhaps some
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: sort of a laser. And also these creatures are completely
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: drained of blood, so I'd like, but I've seen the
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: cattle mutilation images and You're like, wow, that is strange.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I like to see what their lips look like.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I do know that, actually, and it has nothing to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: do with the fact that I posted about it, because
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the dat love Pass gets posted about quite a bit.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: But I think it was in twenty twenty two Russia
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: actually re examined the dat love Pass mystery now and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: sort of said, Okay, we're gonna look at it again,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and they determined that an avalanche, like a slab of
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: ice broke loose a huge slab this could be totally wrong.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I know it's an avalanche or a slab of ice
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: that they basically said was responsible for all of this,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that it led to them somehow becoming exposed hypothermia and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the like, But it doesn't really answer a lot of
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the questions in my mind. It certainly could have happened,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: as I told you they for whatever. Also, why did
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: they stop in the middle of the wind slept side
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of the slope.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're they probably were trying to make their
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: way across and they couldn't do it. Yeah, they said,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: we have to stop, but just stop right here. I
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: can't go any further, and they all argued, and then
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: they decided to put a tent. Right There's it's also,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know this better than anybody. When you
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: get tired, you make poor decisions. That's what they're trying
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: to do to you in buds, right, They're trying to
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: make you quit. They're trying to break you down.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: When people get tired, they get very irrational, and they
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: also have very little processing power. They don't think about
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: all the possibilities what could go wrong or could go right,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: and they think they can't possibly keep going, and the
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: problem is if you have nine of you and one
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: of you is is a pussy, you know you got
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: a real problem. Like do you let Bob die or
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: do you stay here with Bob when you can keep going?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And Bob is just like we can't do this. Like
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Bob like that's the horror movie scene. Rights one fucking guy.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: He's like, fuck this, man, I'm fucking staying right here.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: You're like Jesus, Bo, we can keep walking, keep walking
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: that reality teps and then count ten steps more and
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: then just keep doing that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: That what you're describing is such a natural human thing,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: which is when someone when the lowest common denominator in
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: your group is struggling, even if you're frustrated, a lot
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: of times people have an inclination to lowering what you're
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: doing to help that person. In seal training, I mean
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: what's made clear immediately is to some degree that's noble,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to some degree, but a lot of times you're going
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to get more people killed that way. So those people
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that are going to hold you back in training have
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: to be identified and kicked out now, right. And so
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: it became clear that if you're the weakest link, you're
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: probably getting left behind in training, but then in real
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: life it's the reverse.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Buds is a genius way of filtering out the pussies.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: It's genius.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: It is the best way you have to There's no
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: there's no other way to determine whether or not someone
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: will be able to handle extreme pressure and stress other
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: than putting them through extreme pressure and stress.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And there's some.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: People through whatever, for whatever reason, at this stage of
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: their life, they can't handle it. And maybe they will
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: be in the future. Maybe this is gonna be a
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: good experience for them and they're going to tough en up.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: And the Goggins talks about it all the time about
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: when before he ever got into the Seals, he was
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: three hundred pounds and eat milkshakes.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: He was fat, he couldn't run around the block.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: But he decided to become a different person and he
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: did it. You can do that, but at that moment,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you're gonna quit. Yeah, And so at that moment we
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: have to get rid of you. And maybe you can
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: become someone in the future that won't quit, but right
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: now you're quitting.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I sometimes get asked, not often, but I've been asked.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: You know, when you were going through selection, did you
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: ever have a moment where you thought or you thought
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: about quitting and you suppressed it. And I only say
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: this because I know this is this is shared amongst
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of the people that I went through training with.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I did not have a moment where I thought,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: oh boy, I'm on the precipice of quitting. I better
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: hold on. Did I have moments where I was questioning
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: my life decisions and questioning can I even do this? Definitely?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: But there's something fundamentally different about trying and failing and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: choosing to stop, and you learn that that is something
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that I believe is in eight do you have the
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: ability to keep going through failure? And they put a
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: lot of test gates into buds to basically force it
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: upon you, most notably the not even Hell Week. Hell
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Week is the most well known test of endurance where
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: you're awake for five and a half days basically. But
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: there's one that's even simpler that it's so easy if
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: you're willing to do it, easy to stretch, it's not
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: that hard, but you really need to be committed to
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: doing it, and it's the fifty meter underwater swim. You
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: do it day two of the first phase of training,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: and everybody knows you're gonna do it. All you have
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: to do is okay, get in the pool, swim one length,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: and then swim back without surfacing until you're done. It
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: is probably just beyond what's comfortable for someone who's a
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: decent enough swimmer, but you have plenty of lead time
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: for this. You know this is going to happen. People
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: will train for years before they go. When you when
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I did it the first leg, it's stressful, but as
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: soon as you've made the turn and you're on your
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: way back, you realize that if you've committed to doing it,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh dud, this is really not bad. It's
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: so quick, it's so short, it's all over. People that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: would quit on that didn't quit at the end of
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the fifty they quit on the first leg. You're not
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: physically done yet, you're mentally done. M I mean, I'm generalizing,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: but you see that type of phenomenon in training quite
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: a bit, where it's are you prepared to keep going
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: through adversity or are you just going to say it's
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: too much and I don't want to do it anymore.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I wonder if they've ever sat down and try to
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: engineer a program to alter people's psychology. You know, you
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: would think that the more people that you can get
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: that would be able to figure out a way through
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: something very difficult where your mind wants to quit, your
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: body wants to quit, the more people that you could
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: figure out how to train to that position, the better.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Or is it like I have friends that are mma
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: coaches that don't want to work with anybody who needs
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a mental coach. Interesting, They're like, you need a mental coach,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: You're in the wrong business. And they say that like
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: those two good those guys are too unreliable. They'll tell
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: it to you, like you need a mental coach, like
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: you're two in your own head. You're not gonna be
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: able to perform. These guys are going to be able
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: to lose, dust themselves off, figure it out, and come
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: back and be stronger. And then there's some guys that
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: like every big moment is the moment overwhelms them and
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: they're they're just they just cave to the pressure. They
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: just can't handle it. And then they go through some
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: sort of a mental coaching session. But the core, their
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: personal whatever it is that's about them, what makes them them,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: is just fragile for whatever reason. And the question is,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I wonder if they've ever tried to engineer a program
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: to strengthen people's psychology, just the same way you can
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: strengthen people by lifting weights or by running or whatever.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I wonder if there's a like there was a concerted
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: effort to say, like, well, we have so many people
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: crashing out, what if we had fifty percent less people
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: crashing out, then we'd have fifty percent more elite operators.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I know that when I went through training, and I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: have no idea if it's still the case now. But
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I was in I was in seal training in Earnest
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: in twenty eleven and twenty twelve, and there were psychologists
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: on staff that you didn't you did not go and
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: frequently see them by any stretch. But I remember there
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: being parts of training which were sort of funny because
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: they punctuated the brutality of training. It would be we'd
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: be out, you know, doing the obstacle course for an hour,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and then we're doing a four mile run. Then we're swimming,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: then we're doing this, we're getting beat up, and then
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the car. Now go in the classroom. You go in
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the classroom and you're and you're talking to this woman
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: who's a psychologist, and she's teaching you how to like
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: it's called arousal control, you know, how to how to
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: take down your your mental state in the middle of
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: high stress moments, and all the instructors on the side
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: like you listen to this, you know, and it's it's
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: just funny. So there was attempt made, but I coming
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: from coming from having done it. The the there's such
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: a wide variety of people that are successful in training
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: that it's I have I have seen and heard that
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: it's hard to pinpoint what is what is the appropriate
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: indication you're going to be successful, Like that's the thing
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: they're trying to identify, is what are the pools of
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: people that traditionally do well in seal training because they're
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out ways to strengthen. But the two
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: things they found, there's two there's two places where the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: most mentally tough people in terms of success in seal training.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: One is wrestling. Basically any level of wrestling wrestlers have
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: an incredibly high success rate in buds and water polo.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Those are the two that they have determined through their
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: studies are the grittiest, most resilient folks when it comes
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to seal training. Interesting. Yeah, water polo.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: So in water polo, how deep is the water?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's more that they tread water the whole
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: fucking time.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm getting at, Like, does the water
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: so deep that they can't touch the ground.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: No, No, you're treading the entire time. WHOA when you're
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: playing a game, Dude, there is a guy crazy. There
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: is a guy in my class. So the way it
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: works is you have you're enlisted guys, and there's you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: upwards of one hundred dudes in a class that are enlisted,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and then you have I think maybe eight to ten
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: that are officer candidates. It's yeah, we're all seal candidates,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that's true. But the difference between an officer candidate and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: an enlisted swine candidate is enormous. The guys over here,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the enlisted guys, are just like salt of the earth,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Just like, I don't give a fuck. Where is what happens?
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: The officer candidates, they have some of the most impressive
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: resumes that you can have as like a twenty something
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: year old kid. You have dudes that I was a
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Rhodes Scholar. I played, I walked onto the Stanford football team.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: That level of prestige. And also I'm my family's friends
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: with George Bush and uh. And I'm also like a
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: world class swimmer, and I'm like an expert marksman. That
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: those are the dudes that become your officer candidates because
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: there's so few slots on any given year for these
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: spots that they're they're they're so vetted that virtually all
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: of them succeed. It's so rare that an officer candidate
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: does not pass like an officer who's in buds. You
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: might as well just call him a seal at that point,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: because he's The vetting is crazy for not on the
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: enlisted side. We're still figuring that out, but the officers side,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: they're highly vetted. And one of the guys that was
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: one of my officers uh in one of the classes
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I was in, was a water polo player from the
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: University of Tennessee. And he's this big, big, strong guy.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: He's awesome dude. And there's this part of training halfway
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: through training. It's a second phase, is broken into three phases,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: and it's it's the water phase and it's really Statistically,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: everybody who gets to second phase mostly makes it through,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: but it's because you've already passed through so many test
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: gates in first phase, like hell week in the fifty
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: meters underwater swim, that this is already the pool of
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: people that's just going to push through the misery and
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: pass stuff. So it's misleading. The second phase of training,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: i would argue, is exponentially more challenging than first phase,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: but the only people who do it are through first phase,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: and it's ninety percent of people past second phase. But
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: it's really hard, and there's two tests in particular within
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: second phase that are notoriously just brutal. One of them
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: is called pool competency, which is a twenty minute exam
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: of your ability to fix problems with your scuba tanks underwater,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: where basically you go to the bottom of the pool
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: with your tanks on, and when their test begins, you're
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: in the section of this huge pool called the combat training.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: There's like the six foot section, then it slopes down
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to the nine foot section, and then it slopes down
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: to the fifteen foot section, and your test takes place
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: in the nine foot section and you just crawl along
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the lane marker, as if you're doing lap swimming, there's
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a lane on the bottom of the pool. There's like
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: eight or nine lane markers, and you crawl back and
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: forth only in the nine foot section, and two instructors
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: per student come down and turn your air off, tie
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: knots in your hoses, and as soon as you're being touched,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: you got to go into the fetal position and wait
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: for the attack to stop. It takes like fifteen seconds,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: thirty seconds you're at air and this is the twenty
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: minute test. You're building up hypercapney as you go, and
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: then you got to fix your problems, and the problems
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: get progressively harder to solve. But the procedures they teach
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: you are the same procedures for every problem. If you
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: go to step one, it doesn't work, you go to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: step two. If that doesn't work, you go to step three,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: until you go all the way through your steps. But
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: it teaches you come so even though you're on the
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: last problem you're going to solve at minute eighteen and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you're about to pass out, you have to show them
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: that you'll do step one, step two all the way through.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: It's about being I was horrible at this test by
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the way I passed, but by the skin of my teeth.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: This dude passes the test first try. But that's not
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: where the story comes in. So this this this water
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: polo player. He blazes through that test no problem. The
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: other test is just the tread. That's all. It's called
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the tread. You spend five minutes in the pool with
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: your twenty eighty tanks on, which are neutral in the water.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: They're they're pretty heavy outside of the water, but they're
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: they're cumbersome on your back. You got no fins. You
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: got a weight belt on, hands up out of the water.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Weight belt, yeah, it's it's like five pounds or something.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: And you tread for five minutes and that that's the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: whole test. Hands out of the water. So you only
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: tread with your legs, no fins, tanks on it. The
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: only the only way to do it realistically is imagine
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: imagine hopping on like a bike lick in the gym
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: and just sprinting until you have full muscle fatigue. Hold
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: it for like three four minutes and don't it doesn't
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: not even you don't even need to go that fast,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: but it's constant. That's the only way to do it
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: unless you were an exceptionally talented water polo player who's
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: mastered the art of the egg beater, where they basically
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: have found a way to move their legs. That's like
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the most efficient way to tread water. And this dude,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a kid you not, who blazed through pool comp first
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: drive no problems whatsoever, was like joking around after his test.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: He got he gets him for the tread and he could.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: He could hold himself almost to his belly button probably
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: like nippled a belly button line fully out of the water.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Just no problem, no problem, like practically smiling because he
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: knows this is my domain. I can do this all
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: day long. It was the most incredible thing I'd ever said.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I would have never thought of that.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: First of all, I didn't know the water polo players
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: how to tread the entire time, which is insanely impressive.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Like how long is the game?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if they can go to the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: edge and hold on periodically. But if you watch water polo,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: most of the time you're just treading. I'm no water
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: polo player, but my understanding is that the game is
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: played while treading.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I never would have imagined. But now that you
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: described it that way, like that might be the hardest
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: sport on Earth. Oh dude, that makes baseball look so easy.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I remember, like David Wells or the Yankees either, huge fact.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I smoked cigarettes in between it, hot dogs, big old belly.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Oh man, that's crazy. I remember in boot camps, this
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: is not even before you even get to Buds. There's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: there's Actually it's funny the when you go in. You know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: as I went in as a civilian, So I signed
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: this contract where basically you say, Okay, I'm gonna go
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to boot camp, become a sailor, and then I'll have
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: my shot at going to Buds. It's called the Seal
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Challenge Contract. And you know, the way I looked at
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: it is I'm like, okay, I've prepared for Buds. That's
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: what I as a civilian, that's what I was training for.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't think at all about boot camp, like what's
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: what's two months in Navy boot camp gonna be? Because
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: what my head is focused on is Buds that comes after.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: So when I shipped out to boot camp, I had
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: put virtually no thought into what those two months were
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: gonna be. Like in Great Lakes, Illinois. I figured it
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: was like, ah, whatever, ill like march around like fold
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: some clothes, you know whatever, and then and then I'll
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: go do the real stuff out in San Diego. And
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: so I get to Chicago, and it was like a
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: reality check because you quickly realize that, first of all,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: if you're trying to be a seal and you're on
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: the Seal Challenge contract, when you get to Great Lakes,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: you're segregated into a separate group. They're called the eight
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: hundred Division. I don't know if this still exists now,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: but it did in twenty ten. And there really aren't
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: any seals or spec ops that are at Great Lakes
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: that I mean that there's a few, but for the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: most part, you're working with ordinary sailors that are putting
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: you through training. But imagine you're an ordinary sailor and
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: God love them. I've worked with amazing sailors across the Navy,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: and here comes the seal recruits in the eight hundred Division.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: They're civilians, they're not even sailors. Yet there is an
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: enormous amount of resentment towards those that show up, like, yeah,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I'm going to buds, Like there's just an attitude of
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: like the instructors they they want you to understand that,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: like you don't have a clue what you're getting yourself into.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And so in boot camp those two months, your instructors
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: are not seals, but they just like torture you because
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: they're like, this is nothing compared to what you're gonna
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: have in buds. And one of the things we would
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: do is there was all sorts of stupid stuff like
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: push ups and whatever, but there was this treading thing
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: that we had to do where we'd go in the
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: pool at like five in the morning and like it's
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: so cold, and they would line us up so we're
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: all faced, like if you were I'd be right behind
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: you looking at the back of your head, you'd be
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: looking at the next guy's back of his head. And
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: they'd give us bricks and you're just treading and you
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: got to pass the brick up and down the line,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: and periodically they'd give you two bricks. And so if
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: anybody doesn't hold up their end of the bargain, quickly
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: the bricks get handed off to like one person and
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: no one wants the brick. You don't have fens on
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: or anything, and guys are like sinking into the water,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: like truly about to pass out and black out. But
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the level of oversight not great because it's sort of
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: like you don't know what you getting into. Try to
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: hold those bricks and it's just matt and they would
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: leave us in there treading with bricks for so long
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: that you're look, I'm gonna drown. I'm literally gonna drown
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: if I keep this up, and then suddenly it'd be
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: over and you're like on the pool deck like vomiting,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: and you're thinking to yourself, holy shit, like is this
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: this is not even as bad as Buds? And you
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: get to Buds and you're like, no, no, that was worse.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: That's probably good.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Then it was nice. Yeah, that's funny.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Had those guys even been through Buds?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: No?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, So they were just making tough.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Stuff like put on all your turtle decks, and we'd
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: like put on all our stupid like neoprene turtle decks,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: like seven of them because you have all this stupid
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: clothing in your rack and like march around the compartment
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the room you're in, and we would just like spend
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: hours like marching around the compartment of sweating our ass
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: off and our like turtlenecks and stuff like that. Or
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: we do bird watching where they would have us just
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: face a wall and paid attention for like two three
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: hours just staring at paint. But it's just arbitrary. It's
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: like you don't know what you're turned into, Buds, It's
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: gonna be so much worse, and like you don't even
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. What kind of weird people want
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to do that to people. There was a lot of like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: you don't know what you're getting yourself into. I know
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: more than you. I've done real stuff for the Navy,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: But like they have this moment where we're still civilians
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: and we have we haven't gone to training, and they
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: know that virtually all of us are gonna quit. So
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: this is a safe group to sort of flex around,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: you know. Wow. So it was it was I hated
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: boot camp and when I got out of boot camp.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: In boot camp, I was drinking their coffee and I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: was convinced it was it was caffeinated coffee. It wasn't,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: And I told myself it was. I'm a big coffee drinker.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: And when I got out of boot camp, I went
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: to dinner with my family and I didn't eat anything.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I just drank like nine cups of coffee and got
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: so jacked up on caffee and just told stories about
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: boot camp.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: They don't give you caffeinated coffee.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Well there was a it was it was coffee, but
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I mean like it was like you pushed a button
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: and this brown shit came out and it was like,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I said, cafe something on it. I was like, that's coffee.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna question it because I don't want then.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to suck myself out. And I was
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: drinking the shitty caffee coffee coffee. Oh man, Yeah, that's funny. Yeah.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean what we were talking about before that
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: there's no other process to figure out whether someone's going
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: to be able to handle pressure, then to put them
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: through it and see what happens if you're passing bricks.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe that's not the best example of it
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: because it seems like those guys are being a little sadistic. Yeah,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: and probably at least you would imagine that what they're
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: doing in buds is tried and proven.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: They know what they're doing.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: These guys, it seems like they were just getting off
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: on the fact they could tell you what to do.
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  Speaker 1: I so when I SO, I got hurt in Afghanistan
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, and after I got hurt, I'll tell
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: you a minute what happened. I got debriefed essentially by
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: the senior commander of the group that I was a
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: part of. And it was just like, hey, tell us
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: what happened, what went wrong? What would you have done
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: differently and truthfully? And I wasn't kissing anybody's ass. I
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: wasn't trying to be, you know, a follow the rules
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: kind of guy. I just said, you know what, the
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: training works like. The training is unbelievable. I saw it
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: for myself firsthand. So we were in Afghanistan and twenty fourteen,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and this was the tail end of this is my
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: only combat tour I did as my first deployment. This
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: is twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and we had been going
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: into this town called Zarganshar, which is this fairly urban
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Afghan town that was literally on the other side of
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: the one paved road route Utah they called it, that
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: ran through Afghanistan. Got iidd constantly. We were on one
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: side of the road behind some HESCO barriers, and Zargonshar
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: is like this sprawling, pretty large urban village and historically
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know how long it had been going on for,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: but there had just been non stop fighting in Zargonshar
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: between NATO forces and loads of different factions of fighters,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the Taliban, Pakistani fighters, you name it. And so when
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: we got in country in twenty thirteen, we turned over
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: with Seal Team eight and they said, basically, you know,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: your job here is to try to quell the flow
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: of suicide bombers into a couple and there was a
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: couple of other things they told us to focus on,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: but really, if you want some action, you just go
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: to Zargonshar because they're so battle hardened in there, the
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: people that are still there that if you go in there,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: they're going to fight you. You know, if you want
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: to find weapon caches, they're going to be in there.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: And so, over the course of the deployment, this is
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: like five months in, we had gone into Zargonshar a
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: great deal and truthfully, it wasn't like we walked in
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: and it was crazy every time, but we definitely got engaged.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: There was definitely more contacts there than anywhere else. But
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: on this one day, this is like five months into
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the deployment, this is in April, so it was the
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: fighting season it started, so the warmer weather had come in,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: and we sort of put ourselves in a terrible position
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit by accident. So the city, it's not
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: really a city, it's a village, but it's bigger than
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: a village. It's somewhere between a city and a village
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: for Afghanistan. So it's like mud huts, but like tight together,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and it's really like well defined, you know. It's almost
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: like the edge of zargon chart just becomes vacant desert
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: on the outsides. It's like this really isolated spot. We
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: entered the city with our vehicles and then began in
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: filling into the city. I forget exactly what our purpose was.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I think there was like a bomb maker or something
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: we were going after. But the rules of engagement that
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: we were operating under effectively said you can't engage. You
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: can't offensively engage anyone unless there's a couple of factors
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: that could allow you to. But for the most part,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: you need to get shot at first to then shoot back.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: That's sort of the gist. And the people we would
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: get into skirmishes with knew that a lot of times,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: and they'd be tactical about how they would go about
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: shooting at us, And so we start making our infill
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: from the edge of the city and we get into
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: this little narrow area where we knew we'd have to
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: enter it into this courtyard, and we start hearing chatter
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: over the radios, so we had the ability to listen
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: to just the open source radio that the fighters would
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: use in the village, and we heard them talking to
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: each other and it was clear they had spotted us.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: It's broad daylight. This is not a shock, but they
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: were clearly talking to each other and making plans to
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: wait until we and it was only twenty or thirty
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: of us plus our partner for us, wait until we
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: got into that courtyard before you open up on them.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if this was set explicitly, but
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the idea was they're not going to do anything due
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: to the rules of engagement. We can let them come
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: into the courtyard and then open up on them. And
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: there's a couple two story buildings that overlook courtyard, so
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: it's pretty gnarly. Our team lead, who was freaking awesome,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: is freaking awesome. He stopped us and he's like, hold
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: on a minute. We took cover behind this bridge that
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: was right behind us, and he's like, wait, let's figure
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: this out. But we realized that now that we know
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: where they are, we know they're in those second story
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: buildings overlooking that courtyard there. Now they can see us.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: If we go forward, we can't engage them proactively. We
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: can't like call in an airstrike. We have to walk
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: into a courtyard that has angles down on us. So
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: it's basically walking into an ambush. That's a bad idea.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: But if we go the other way, if we retreat,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I told you that the edge of zargonshar there's no cover,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: it's just open desert if you will. And so there
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't really a good way to x fill back to
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: our vehicles without getting shot in the back. They don't
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: have rules of engagement thing and shoot it as any
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: time they want. And so we realized, because of where
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: they're positioned, we either had to go forward into effectively
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a known ambush or retreat and hope they don't get
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the drop on us and shoot one of us. And
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: it's a pretty high chance someone was going to get
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: shot if we x filled. And so we sat there
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: we were thinking about it, and we ultimately made the
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: decision like, hey, we were Navy seals, let's just go
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: forward and process the threat. And so into the courtyard
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: we go. It's on bodycam, and you know, it was eerie.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: I remember walking into this courtyard again, broad daylight. It's quiet.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: We had seen women and children run out of the
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: village as we approached, so we knew only people here
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: are going to be fighters. And just machine guns opened
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: up on us in this courtyard. And I say this
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: without I don't mean this in a sort of crass way,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: but thankfully the only people who were hit in the
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: opening volley were our dog and I believe two of
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: the Afghan partner for US guys that they got shot.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Because if you're going to survive this, you need the seals.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: You don't need you knowed anybody else. You need the
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: seals to get out of this. And so we all
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: took up our positions sort of we expected this to happen,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and it became like this crazy, disjointed like Onesie two
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: zie breaking off, clearing bill things sometimes by yourself, just madness.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: For like the next six hours, it slowed down. It
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: was not constant, but it was like six hours of
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: urban sketchy roof to roof, building to building, shooting, and
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: we were sort of getting our asses kicked. I mean,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: we just we kept we kept seeing people that would
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: open up on us around like a corner. We'd go
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: after them and they'd be gone. And we knew there
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: were tunnels dug into the ground all over the place
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: for people to escape, and it just seemed like everyone
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: we were shooting at would would vanish. And so finally
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: it's late at night. We've been there for six hours
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: or so, and we've gotten beaten up. No one's been
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: killed on our side. The dog's fine, and we were
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: sort of like, man, I guess we just got to go.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: You know, we didn't really accomplish anything. We just kind
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: of got beat up today and we'll come back another time.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: You know. It didn't go well. And as we're getting
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: ready to leave, and remember at this point, our group
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: of twenty some odd seals, there's Afghan partner for us
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: as well, but the seals that were on the ground
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: we had broken up into fire teams, little groups of dudes.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: And I was with a fire team that was close
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to the exit we were going to be taking, and
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: one of the drones overhead, I think was being flown
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: by somebody in Las Vegas. They called out that they
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: had seen what appeared to be military age men, so
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: mams as they're called, sort of in the vicinity of
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: where we would be x filling out of the city.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: And they weren't saying you better go over there and
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: like shoot them, because rules of engagement say you can't
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: you can't do that. It was just sort of a hey,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: be aware as you exit, they might be setting up
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: on you as you're leaving the city. And so our
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: fire team happened to be closest, and we decided we
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: would just go over there and take a look. Our
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: understanding is now it's nighttime or on night vision. We believed,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: based on what was being passed us, that we could
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: go down this alleyway that would come to a t intersection,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: and when we reached the end of this alleyway, there'd
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: be this low wall, like six foot tall wall, and
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: we could peer over the wall into the field where
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: these mams are and they didn't know if they didn't
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: even know who they were, could have been kids, it
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: could have been nothing, but we believed we'd be able
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: to look over the wall and look out somewhere on
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: the other side of this field. We'll see whoever these
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: people are and make an assessment of what to do.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: So we super sneaky make our way down this alleyway,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: being as quiet as we can. We get to that
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: low wall, and immediately we start hearing someone talking. It's
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: not our guys. We start hearing poshtune being spoken on
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: the other side of the wall, and we realize that
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: there's been a mistake of a lost in trans something's
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: miscommunicated to us. We are now closer than you and
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I are right the second too. What actually was military
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: aged men. There was at least two. I've heard as
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: many as five. I actually don't know the exact number,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: but there were fighters hiding on the other side of
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: that wall. Intention's unclear, but they're right there and they
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: haven't heard us yet, and they're nervous. We can tell
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: they're nervous. They're right on the other side of the wall.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: And we are in a tough, tough spot here because
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: there's seven of us. We're so close to them that
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: if someone even so much just like farts right now,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: they're gonna hear us. And so our team leader, who
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: was incredible, he went on to go to Team six.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: He's one of the best dudes I've ever met. He
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: had to make an on the ground decision. We got
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: engage these guys so we can see they have weapons.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: One guy looked over and said, they have weapons. This
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: is all nonverbal. We're like making hand signals and stuff
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: on night vision. And so one of our guys are
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: the team leader, gets down on a knee and he
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: tells one of the guys next to me to stand
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: on his leg and start shooting. And so over the
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: wall he starts shooting, and that there was at least
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: two guys over there that already had grenades. They had
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: pulled the pins out on so this is this is
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the moment they've had this. They're holding the grenades for this.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: So soon as the shooting started, grenades come over the wall,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: and this is there's a video of this. If the
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: grenade comes up, you can't really tell, but it literally
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: hit my shoulder. One of the grenades hit my shoulder
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: and then fell to the ground and detonated. But in
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the and the second that this happened, it's we were
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: under a drone that had a targeting strobe down on us.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: It was a flashing infrared strobe on us. Imagine if
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: like God had a flashlight and he was turning it
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: off and on rapidly, and you can only see the
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: light on night vision, and it's this cone of light
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that you're in, and this super intimate fight is happening,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: and I'm watching this grenade. Time really slowed down. I
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: see it for a second because the light's on. The
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: light comes off, it disappears. I see it for a second,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: and I remember feeling it hit my shoulder. And I'm
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: not shooting, I'm not doing anything. I'm just next to
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: the wall as little shit's happening. And the thought I
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: had was like, fuck, it's gonna blow my head off.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I know I'm dead, We're all probably gonna die here
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: in a second, but my mom won't be able to
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: see me again, Like there will be no open casket.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: That's the first thought that goes through my head. My
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: head's gonna be blown the fuck off. Hits my shoulder,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: and this is again in a fraction of a second.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: The light comes on, goes off, it falls down lower,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: and it's like halfway down now, it's like halfway to
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: the ground, and I'm thinking, oh shit, I'm definitely gonna die,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: but maybe my my face will be intact and my
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: mom can see me again. Light goes off on it
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: lands in the ground, and I turned slightly and I'm like,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: oh shit, I might just lose my legs. Like this
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: is great, I might live. And so all of us
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: are in the lethal range. Assuming this is a frag grenade,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: which I don't think couldn't have been. It had to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: be an old school pineapple grenade. We're all all of
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: us are in this horrible lethal zone and two grenades
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: go off. I tell people it felt like someone took
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: a handful of rocks and just threw them at my backside.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: It didn't hurt. It just felt like someone threw something
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: at me. And then I'm just down on the ground.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: And my memory of what happened versus what actually happened
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: couldn't have been more different. It would take me years
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: before I actually sat down and debriefed this with the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: guy who ultimately saved my life. But my memory is
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I go down and I couldn't get my gun. My
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: gun had been the strap, the little strap had been
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: blown off. My helmet had been blown off. So I'm
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: not on night vision I'm just there's pretty good illumination
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: that night, but it's dark and it's just fucking chaos there.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: The thing is is the fighters in that town, they
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck about killing each each other. If
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: they could kill me, they'd kill their teammates as well.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: And so RPGs are just being arbitrarily fired from all
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: across the city, but from other locations just in the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: vicinity of where this is happening, because there was a
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: lull before this, So it's just fucking madness. And I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: couldn't stand up, I can't move, and I got dragged
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: by one of my teammates. So this is my memory.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: I got dragged from I'm at the head of the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: tea there. They brought me down the stem of the tea,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: if you will, and I just got placed up against
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: a wall and I'm sitting there and I have these
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: tourniquets that are on my chest that we rubber band
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: them to our chest specifically so they can be easily
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: broken off and applied to stop the bleeding in your limbs.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: And I was so weak and fucked up from this
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: blast that I literally couldn't pull the tourniquets off. And
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: there's I don't even know if anyone's a live. Basically,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: at this point, I don't even know what's happening down
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: in the contact zone, which is like twenty feet away
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: from me. All I here is gunfire. It's madness, and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: at any point I'm expecting fighters to run down the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: alleyway and fucking kill me. Like I'm dead. I'm dead
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: no matter what here. And so I had this true
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: in my mind like near death experience where I sat there.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: It's relatively well illumined, and I suddenly lost my hearing,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: like it's gone completely gone, and there's good illuminations, so
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I can see this small alleyway, I can see this
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: flashes of light as you know, rounds are coming in,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: and I just I'm like, I'm in my head, I'm
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: so aware that I'm alive, but I'm dying. And then
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: my vision goes. I'm completely blind, like can't see, I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: can't hear anything. But I was so lucid in my mind,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: so aware that I was alive. And I tell people
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: that on a day to day basis, you live and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: you don't think about it. You don't wake up and
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: actively live. You don't think today I'm going to breathe today.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: My heart's gonna beat. You just do it, because that's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: your entire experience, is being alive, and your body knows
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: how to do that. Your brain knows how to be alive.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: You also know how to die, you just haven't done
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: it yet. And I had this really distinct feeling of like,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: oh shit, this is what it feels like when you
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: shut down. It didn't hurt, it wasn't sad. It was
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: just it couldn't have been more matter of fact. And
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: all I was thinking about two thoughts. I had, what
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: will my obituary say nothing in terms of substance, but
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: will it say Jonathan Allen was killed in action? Or
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: John Allen? So I was hung up on that. And
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I was also thinking about my wife and how she'd
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: be notified at home. And I was thinking I wish
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: we'd had kids because now I don't have a legacy.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: And so I had this feeling of like letting go.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know that's so cliche, but it physically felt
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: like I had let go. And I remember feeling the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: impact of the ground as I sort of killed over,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: and I thought that was it, Like I'm about to die,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: this is the end. You know, but then out of
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: fucking nowhere, the legend that he is, his name is Kyle,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: He's a seal, fucking comes out of nowhere and he
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: grabbed me and he patternicits on my legs. I'm still
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: like in my blacked out zone here, but I slowly
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: regain sight and hearing, and the scene we're in is
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: still terrible. There's still chaos happening everywhere. In Kyle, who's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: a he's a sniper, he's a medic. He's the calmest
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: stude under pressure. He's like, hey, it's gonna be okay, buddy,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: it's all good. Stop the bleed. Like just stay here,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: like you know, put your gun up if you can.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back, Like literally in hell all around.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: This couldn't have been more calm. He just runs down
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: back to the contact zone, comes back up. He brings
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: another guy out who's lunged collapse. He's patching him up, smiling.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Everything's fine. Meanwhile, So I'm starting to see now as
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I'm regaining consciousness, if you will, I'm seeing my teammates
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: who were also been fucked up from the grenade, but
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: only me and one other guy were so f by
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the grenade that we couldn't function. It was me and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: this guy who's lung had collapsed. He was like barely
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: able to breathe. So we're down. But the other like
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: five dudes, it's like, it's your job to get us
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: out of here now because we're fucked. We are pinned
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: down and fucked here. One guy, the team lead in
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: one ear, he was working with multiple air assets overhead,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: calling in what's called a danger close air strike, which
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: is you're effectively calling in an air strike on yourself.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: You need special initially from your higher officer. I think,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: I think your command not your commanding officer, like one
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: more senior than you, has to approve the drop because
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: in essence, you could kill yourself doing it. So he
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: was calling in an airstrike that needed to be exact,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: like fucking exact on the other side of that wall.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: And then in the other ear, he's communicating with the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: rest of our our disparate teams which are broken up
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: across the city, trying to tell them where we are.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: He's got two colms happening, and he's physically pulling people
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: out of the contact zone with Kyle to get them
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: to cover and engaging the enemy and we're getting shot
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: at Holy he's a team six. That dude. Everybody went
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: into like flow state. I don't even know how to
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: describe it. And I'm fucking worthless. I'm not in flow state.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking dead state. They hoisted me up and we
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: ran like a mile because there was no way to
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: extract us because of how densely populated it was, or
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: the buildings were so tightly together.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Could you move your legs?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: They were like fucking pillars. I was supported on shoulders, hobbling.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I was not able to run. No in the tourniquets
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: they cut off circulation to your limbs because I was
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: bleeding profusely from my legs, so they were cinched off,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: which kills the circulation at a minimum. You got very
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: dead legs. But they ran me to a hot extract
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: where there's a fucking helo that came in coming in,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: guns blazing. They throw us in the helo. Now get this,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Me and the other dude with the lung, we get
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: thrown on the helo and we just leave with the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: medical team. Those fucking dudes. Those five dudes still on
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: the ground had to fight their way back into the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: city to go reconnect with the rest of the element.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Who again he's calling the airstrike he called in was
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: with it was perfect, he got I think I got
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: an award for it. He hit exactly in the right spot.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: He called in the exact right spot, like under the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: most duress you could imagine. But like, so my mental
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: image of what happened is under truly like I witnessed
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: life and death. Like I was in a life and
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: death scenario and I got to be fully an audience
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: for it. Every motherfucker was fucking perfect at their job.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Like literally, rounds flying everywhere. Hey, what's going on up?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Got your legs all dead tied off here? Hey, what's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: going on? Calling this airstrike? Couldn't be calmer? That was it? Like,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: And so my debripoint was it fucking works. The training works.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Wow, what a fucking story.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, dude, there's a there's an addendum tool. I
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: want to hear the denim. Yeah. So after we got
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: meta act, So I'm in the I'm in the helicopter,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: and at this point I don't know, I don't know
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: the state of my injury. All I know is a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: few minutes ago I thought I died. You know, like
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: I don't really, I'm happy to be here now. But
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: we get in the helicopter and that crew is amazing.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: I think there were pjs air Force pjs, which are
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: like Specop's Air Force. I think they were fucking great.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: But they're like, hey, do you want uh, what's the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: what's the drug? Oh my god, it's the one, the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: pain killer drug, morphine, morphine morphine. And I said no,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't have any pain, but I was like, I'm
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: worried I might die and I want to be lucid
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: for it. And they're like, okay, now, I think you're
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: gonna be okay, but I was like in my head
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: that I might die. I don't know. And so we
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: get metavacked out of Zargonshar and they fly us right
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: to this nearby base very close by called Shank And
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: when we get there, there's obviously doctors and nurses that
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: are there specifically for this, and so even though it
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: was the middle of the night, they had been told, hey,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: you have two casualties, you know, the guy with a
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: collapse lung and myself. To be honest, I don't really
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: know exactly what they were told, but I would imagine
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: they were told get ready for some some type of
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: surgery for both of them, and so we fly to
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: fob Shank and I get wheeled in on a stretcher
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: and my clothes have been fucking cut off of me,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: like my dick's hanging out like I'm in disarray, like
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: I'm all fucked up, and I really I don't even know.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna be okay, because at this point
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: I've made it here and no one's acting like I'm
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: literally about to die. But I don't know. I don't
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: really know how bad it is. And they wheel me
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: into this tent along with the other guy, and it's
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: so bright, like so bright inside of there that you
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: can barely open your eyes. And it's just a sea
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: of all these doctors and nurses that are ready to
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: perform whatever needs to happen because they don't know, they
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: don't know what's needs to be done. But as soon
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: as I get in there, I see in the back
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: corner of this relatively small medical tent, like a shanty
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: medical tent, is maybe like fifteen seals that were not
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: on the mission with me. There are other guys in
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: country that are other Navy seals. It's the middle of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: the night, and they've put on the equivalent, the equivalent
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: of their best uniforms. These are not dress uniforms. These
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: are like their BDUs, these are these are not nice,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: But in Afghanistan on a deployment, this is the best
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: shit they had. They clearly had been tracking, because you
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: can track missions in real time when you're overseas. They
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: saw the call signs come across that seals had been
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: wounded and were being brought here for treatment. I have
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: no sense of what exactly they knew, but clearly whatever
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: was past indicated that one of us or both of
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: us could die, and so these dudes were in the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: tent in case we died. They're my friends, I know
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: them all personally, and so I'm being wheeled in and
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: the gravity of what's happening was like a fucking ton
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: of bricks because now I'm kind of loopy from what's
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: been going on, and I see that the looks on
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: these guys's faces, and they're wearing these uniforms, and they're
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: all standing almost like at attention, in the corner, and
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: they're there in case I fucking die. It's like I'm
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: going to my own funeral and so I'm put on
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: the they swarm me, not them, the doctor swore me,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: and they get me ready for de breadment, which is
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: just to pull the shrap and a lot of my
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: hips in my leg. And the guy was like, ah,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you I think it was. I mean,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: he's like, you're not gonna this is it? Like good
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: luck to you, and he like gave me ketamine and
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: I passed out or whatever he gave me. I completely
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: passed out. And then it's like I have no memory,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: and I fucking wake up in Germany, fucking Germany, and
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just, uh, yeah, you're you're in You're a fine, Yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: your legs are all fucked up. You're you're gonna live,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: keeping your limbs. And then I think it was seven
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: days after that, I'm back home in Virginia, hobbling down
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: the home depot. Uh fucking aisle. Just no transition. Just
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: I was just killing people overseas and now holy shit shit, yeah,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: fucking nuts.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: What was the extent of the injuries.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I was so fortunate. It was a big big
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: hole in my ass, like uh like a like I
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: was I think three or four inch chunk. Uh that
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: The big issue with it is, uh, it was so
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: deep into into my ass that they had to keep
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: opening it so that it would not heal and reversed,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: you know, because it can pocket though. And then just
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: uh inside of my leg. I mean basically I was
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: spared like it was just a massive flesh wound from
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: underneath my knee all the way up to my back.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: And then I also, this is the part that was
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: the worst. To be honest, leg's fine. I have a
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: little bit of residual soreness at this point. There's a
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: little bit of shrapnel in my leg, but they're like
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: pieces of sand. They only on a hot day I
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: might notice it, but I from the grenade blast. I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: was told by my orthopedic surgeon that the blast likely
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: briefly dislocated both of my shoulders. WHOA. I truthfully don't
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: know if this actually happened, but he said as much.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: And I tore both of my laborums a slaptare. It's
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: a relatively common injury, and I had the I had
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: it's called a biceps tendoniesis surgery done on my right Basically,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: it was so painful I couldn't really use it. But
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: it's this surgery where they remove a portion of your
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: bicep and they restaple it, but it's sort of like
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: a band aid doesn't really fix the problem. And the
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: shelf life of a biceps tendonsis is about ten years
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: before you might see some degrading. And I'm now at
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: the point where my shoulder fucking sucks, and I like
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: in the gym, I have to do all these I
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: have to avoid pressing, I have to avoid overhead stuff.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: When it's just where the bicep tendon is. It's you know,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: it's so what happens is the labrum tear itself never
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: got fixed. They just remove some of the tension on
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: one side of the tear, but still over time it
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: continues to tear down the labrum. So effectively, my labrum
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: just over time has continued to tear, and I'm getting
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: some additional pain. I just had an memory done and
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: they're like, eh, you know you had the bicep tendenisis done.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot more you can do. You
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: can do stuff to fix it, but a lot of
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: it is just going to do more damage than good.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: And so I'm probably staring down not chronic fucking pain
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: or whatever, but something like that.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Have you done these tem cells?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: No, okay, how long you're down for tonight?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: That's it. No, I can come back.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring you into waste too. Well, see
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: what they could do.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: For whatever I can do. It's a huge pain. Why
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: you're here.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: You'd try to get you in. Yeah, maybe I can
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: get you in, like right after we're done. You could
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: just drive right over there because it's not.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Far from here. Yeah, I mean it's a huge issue.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Guarantee you it can help you. If you fucked around
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: with peptides at all.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: No, I'm to see them all over the place by Yeah.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: You should. There's a lot of things that they can do.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: They can radically help you. One of the things they
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: can do, it will definitely decrease a lot of the
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: inflammation and help heal. And you know, there's some evidence.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: How old are you thirty seven?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're still young man. There's there's a lot of
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: evidence that labor terrors can be healed with stem cells
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: and without having to go through surgery, depending on the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: extent of the tear.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm open to it.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: D I'm a big believer. It's fixed me. It's I've
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: had a lot of problems where I was like, I
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: need surgery. I had an orthopedic surgeon told me, for sure,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: you need shoulder surgery. I never got it done. He's like,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: you could rehabit. This was more than ten years ago.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: He's like, you could rehabit, and but you're gonna need surgery.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent now that you oh your shoulders
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: good now, one hundred percent.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Oh damn.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: I do all my kettlebell work with seventy pound kettlebells.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: I don't have any problems windmills, cleans, presses, renegade rows,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: gorilla cleans, No problems.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: How much you're cleaning fifties you do.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Gorilla cleans, I do it for reps.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Do you do barbell clean No?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: No, I don't lift anything heavy when I do gorilla cleans.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: I either do fifties or seventies. My whole kettlebell workout
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: is either fifties or seventies. And sometimes I work out
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: with thirty fives just for the warm up, Like I'll
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: do like warm up stuff like I'll do like rotation
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: exercises with thirty fives. Things where I'm like like big
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: halos where I'm just really opening up my back and getting.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: When did you get into doing kettlebell stuff? I've seen
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: you post like the demon the demon bell are the
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: gorilla bell? Gorilla bell?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the seventies those shit, those are I
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: really got into farmers carries. That's what I'm using. The
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: The gorillas are like my best friends.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Lately. I just do these.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: I have this big long driveway with a hill, and
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: I do these gorilla carries. It's like a two hundred
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: yard driveway. And I do these gorilla carries where you
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: take well, you know with those farmers farmers carries with
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: those gorilla kettlebells in the seventies. Yeah, and I take
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: them up the hill and down the hill, and shit,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: the my grip has gotten so much better. And on
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: top of it, it's like my legs have gotten better,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: and it feels like my whole body is like more connected,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. Because when you're want you
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: know that guy Tom Haveland, you know who?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Fuck? Yeah, fuck everybody knows that guy is there's a beast.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: One of the things that I got from him is
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: he's talked about the importance of picking up heavy things
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: and walking with them. He's like if you really want
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: to get strong, He's like, strength is not just lifting
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: heavy stuff like stationary like carry things, and so he
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: does a lot of weird like.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: His Zurcher's like fucking five hundred pounds insane.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: But he does a lot of weird like off weight
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: stuff where is more weight on one side than the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: other and switches to me as a chain behind him
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: and he's dragging the chain with his right shoulder while
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: he's doing Farmers carries with two hands. He does a
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: lot of crazy stuff like that. And obviously the guy's
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: a fucking freakishly strong person. So I'm like, okay, well
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: let me see if there's anything to this. So a
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: few months back I really got into Farmers Carries and
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: I first just would do it.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: This is him. I'll be fucking freaking the trademark shirt.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: He's got it. I always has that shirt.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: You always see his back, and he's like six' eight
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: almost four hundred. Pounds he's a fucking giant human.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: BEING i love his. Page, yeah he's a real.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Freak but this this thing that he really believes in
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: is carrying things and walking around with.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Them and NOW i really get. IT i really get.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: It Because i've been doing it now for at least
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: three maybe almost it's going on four, months and it's
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: completely transformed my. Legs my legs are way, thicker they're,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: stronger my back feels, Better my connection between like my
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: entire core and my back is. Better like everything feels.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Stronger i'm strong in every other workout THAT i. DO
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: i feel way stronger WHEN i do like cleans and
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: presses and windmills and everything, else because you're when you're
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: carrying stuff like, that it's like your whole.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Body your core has to stay, tight your back has
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: to stay. Tight everything's.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Deal and then when you're up at the top of the,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: hill you're motherfucker and your forearms are literally on firey
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: trying to hold onto these. Things and you, KNOW i
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: got a chalk ball in my, pocket AND i reach
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: in there and powder my hands back, up and as
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: soon AS i get my hands back, GOING i do it.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Again and that has changed. Everything that's changed. Everything but
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: one of the things That i've noticed, is, UH i
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: very rarely get, injured as opposed to my friends who
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: do like traditional weightlifting stuff like, powerlifting, yes like, benching, heavy, squatting, heavy,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: deadlift heavy those dudes are all my friends who do
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: that are always getting, Hurt they're always getting.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Guilty everybody.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: Is it's just but you think that's the only way
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: to get. STRONG i don't think that's. CORRECT i don't
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: think it's. CORRECT i think the most important thing is
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: volume with reasonably heavy things where you're not hurting, Yourself
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: like seventy pounds is you KNOW i. DO i could
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: probably do twenty reps of cleans and, presses BUT i
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: only do ten and THEN i rest for like. FIVE
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: i do the Palble tatsolene. Method paveleltatsolene is the guyo
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: really brought kettlebells over To, america and he's a famous
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: kettlebell coach For Strong, first which is his, Company and
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: he's just this philosophy that strength is a skill and
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't practice skills when you're, exhausted and his whole
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: idea of working to.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: FAILURE i, mean, obviously.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: If you want to be a bodybuilder or even a professional,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: powerlifter that's a different. Thing but if you want to get,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: strong the most important thing is the amount of work
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: that you, do not exhausting the muscle with one. Set
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: and so what he has you do is if you
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: can do twenty, reps do ten and then wait five
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: minutes and to another. Ten you got the same volume of,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: work but you're never exhausted while you're doing. It your
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: form is always perfect and you're still getting the same
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: amount of. Work so my workouts LIKE i have to
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: allocate two hours If i'm doing a kettle but, workouts, fuck,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Dude YEAH i, know but it, works, dude it. Works and,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Again i'm fucking never. Injured If i'm, injured it's like
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: a little tendon itis here or something bothering me in
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: my lower back a little.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Bit it's never. Significant my, Trainer John, Finks i've been
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: working together a couple of years now In. Jersey he's the.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Man he's a big believer and that you were talking.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: ABOUT i could do, twenty BUT i do ten. Instead
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: he's like all about not form till you, die because
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: there are times where it's like time to throw Some english,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: in get some volume, in, Right but he keeps me
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: from ego lifting and keeps me from doing stuff that
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: it's like over the.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: Top, yeah ego lifting is the, problem especially IF i.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Can't but the one TIME i hurt my back really.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: BAD i was deadlifting like four fifty with the.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Like just traditional, grip, no the deadlift track.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Up, yeah the trap bar what is?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: It x? Bar what do you call that? Thing? Yeah trap?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Bar SO i love those. Things it's.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Great BUT i was, like good big and THEN i
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: felt you know That and luckily it was, muscle not
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: like spinal not a disk. Issue it was lower, back
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: left lower. Back it fucked with me for like a
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: six month. PERIOD i bet oh so AND i was,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: like That's i'm not doing that. Anymore and from that moment,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: ON i got really into just doing, kettlebells And i'm
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: stronger Than i've ever. BEEN i don't think you need
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: to lift, really depending upon what you're trying to, do you,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: know and if you're trying to become a power lift
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: or sure you need to lift, heavy but if you
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: just want to be strong and, FUNCTIONAL i don't think
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: you need to lift.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: HEAVY i don't, believe, no. DUDE i right Now i'm
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: on like a pretty big, cut LIKE i do a
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: summer cut each, well this is my second Summer i've
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: done this good on the, beach, dude, shamelessly there's nothing
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: else to it but h but WHAT i found in
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: my own life is THAT i do really well WHEN
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: i have not a, goal like a lofty goal, even
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: but just some fucking thing that you gotta suffer to achieve.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: IT i do well with goals like. That, yeah goals are, Important, yeah,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: DUDE i AND i right, Now i'm on my LIKE
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: i count. Calories i'm into my macros like you wouldn't.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Believe but WHAT i was doing before, THIS i was
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: doing none of. That AND i was fucking obsessed with hand,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: cleans just like barbell hand. CLEANS i, Dude i'm so
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Fucking i've gotten up to two twenty, five very proud of.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: That BUT i it's like the one exercise no matter
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: we do so many as doesn't fuck with your. Shoulder actually,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: no it. Doesn't it's. Pressing it's this most. Interesting it's the,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: press any, Dude IF i pressed like a fucking fifty pound,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: dumbell so, wow al for. Two BUT i can do it.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Clean that's part of the REASON i discovered it is
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: it didn't fuck with my. Shoulder BUT i have been
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: on a quest to find the right way to train
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: for cleans because one of the issues with doing cleans
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: with a barbell and Maybe i'll do. Kettlebells IS i
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: have a scar right here THAT i broke my collarbone
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: WHEN i was, seven and my collarbone juts out because
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: it healed slightly in the wrong. Direction and so every
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: fucking Time i'm in a block of doing, CLEANS i
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: always have this as like recurrent infected wound on my
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: pH and then like in the comments of every, video they're, like,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: dude what's wrong with? You got a staff? Dude so but,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: anyways the kind of belt shaved, Down, yeah fucking but
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: it sounds like you do cleans and shit with with with. Kettlebells,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: yeah that's probably something to.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Consider, yeah and it's not easy to, do you, Know
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: like seventy pounds is when you're doing like ten set
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: ten reps And i'm doing like three sets of ten,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: reps it's fucking. Brutal but it's also the clean and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: press from the ground, up. Right it's all one motion
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: and this continual, motion you, know over the course of ten,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: repetitions it's a good solid minute plus of. Work so
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: you're working really hard for a, minute so you're getting
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a cardio benefit from. It but
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: If i'm real consistent with, it you, Know i'm fifty nine.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: NOW i just turn fifty. Nine so it's just about staying,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: strong that's. All i'm concerned, with not losing any of my,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: strength not losing any of my mobility or flexibility or anything.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Like i'm constantly, stretching constantly JUST i really even, maintaining
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: AND i think most people don't do. That that's why
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: we have a very distorted perception of what's. POSSIBLE i
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: think we think that people deteriorate with age like so
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: radically that it's just a it's just a it is
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: what it. Is it's, fact it's gonna happen to. YOU
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: i don't think that's necessarily. TRUE i think that most
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: people just don't have the willpower to keep maintaining, correctly
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: and they're not supplementing their hormones and taking peptides and
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: also optimizing their. NUTRITION i think if you do all
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: of those, things you're Pretty i'm personally shocked at WHAT
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: i can still.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Do WHEN i was a, kid, yeah thank.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: You WHEN i was a kid AND i thought of
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: a fifty nine year, old oh my, god that guy's.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Dead that's a dead. Man but the jar pickles barely
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: fucking make it down a flight of stairs AND i
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: have fucking zero.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: Problems you. KNOW i have one fucked.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Up knee from my martial arts days WHERE i had
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: my moniscus movement removed in a big chunk of, it
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: and it still fucks with. Me but it doesn't fuck
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: with me in terms of. Function it only fucks with
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: me in terms of, Like i'm worried it's going to
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: become arthritic over time because there's nothing between the. Cartilage
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: the cartilage is banging against each. Other, yeah AND i
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: broke it skiing once that right where the cartilage meets the.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Bone BUT i think that with the the improvements and
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: all these biological therapies like stem cells and, PEPTIDES i
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: can maintain.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: It and that's What i'm.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: Doing so it keeps me out of jiu jitsu because
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: that's the one thing that really really rips on your,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: joints especially my. Knee every Time i've done, it it's, like,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: fucker it just GETS i don't want to do. Anything
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: like my Friend Matt, saarah he had a knee replacement
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: and he's younger than, me And i'm, like, yeah.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: But it's jiu.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Jitsu it's just like you're constantly in weird position and
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: pushing at someone's fucking trying to heal hook you and you're.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Defending it's like everything is getting yanked around and then it's,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: sore but you still go back the next day because
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: you want a train because.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, YEAH i found that my WHEN i WHEN
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: i was in the, TEAMS i was in good. Shape
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: it's sort of by. Default and THEN i got out
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: AND i sort of hovered around Like i'm still relatively,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Young it's. Fine and then this whole mister ball and
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: YouTube thing, happened AND i in a way adopted the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: same mindset that made me successful in getting through, training
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: which is like this obsessive got to make more. Videos you,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Know i've had my viral moment like grow, costs but
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: all of my health went out the. Window, DUDE i
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: WOULD i. WOULD i would take me ABOUT i don't,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: know like twenty six, hours issh to. Do i'm gonna
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: make a video hitting post on. YouTube and then even
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: though ALL i wanted to do was, sleep my immediate
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: reaction at like three in the morning would be just
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: slam like four or five six drinks and then go
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: right to, Bed LIKE i don't even feel. IT i
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: just would, drink go right to, bed drink just to
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: go to. Sleep BUT i didn't even. Know it was almost,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: like here's your reward sucked out these fucking. Drinks, OH
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: i get. It and then, uh but BUT i got
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: so grossly out of. Shape. DUDE i was like two
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: hundred pounds of just, fat AND i had this huge
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: ponytail THAT i. GREW i thought looked really good if
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: you can pull it. Up, DUDE i look so fat and.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Gross but, then, uh it finally occurred to me that, like,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: wow you're like you're you're entering like, True dad bought
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: territory and there's just no excuse since the sometime in
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: like twenty, three twenty, FOUR i was, like all, RIGHT
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: i gotta be like an adult again and train and. It,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: dude it's revolutionary that. That oh, dude that's. Crazy there's
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: a there's a good shot of my. Disgusting let's see mister.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Ballin look at mister ballin. FAT i think that'll probably do.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: It that's that's a decent. One that one's, recent which,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: one and that one's sort of Reason the second one in,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: there that's that's not even that. Better, well the first
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: picture you pulled. Up you get. It oh you're see
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: there in that image you can see a little little
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: ragged going on.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: There, yeah but, yeah just, well you gotta do what
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: you gotta do when something starts happening and you, know
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: you realize, like oh my, god like it's like starting
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: a fire in the.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Woods oh, yeah you gotta blow on.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: It you gotta put some fucking little twigs on.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: It you gotta get that fucker.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: Going like, once and then you've had congratulations because you've
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: had amazing. Success like what do you have like eleven
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: million YouTube. Subscribers that's, incredible, man that's really, cool.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Dude it's it's It's I'M i can only imagine what
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: you've been. Through but the thing THAT i, now this
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: started in twenty twenty and it's twenty twenty. SIX i
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: have had some incredible highs the early days of after
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: the viral, moment And i'm like posting stuff THAT i,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: like upload a, video and literally the next day it's
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Like you've made twenty thousand dollars from yesterday to, now
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: and Like i've never in my life made any real money.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: Ever it's almost, overnight and it grew and grew and
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: then it's LIKE i signed a deal With amazon like
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: ten months after starting a. PODCAST i, ACTUALLY i remember
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: when you got your first deal With. SPOTIFY i remember
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: that was LIKE i didn't even know it was possible
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: for a podcast or anything to sign like the equivalent
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: of a professional sports level. Contract and then it's, like
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: less than a year after the start of The mister ballm,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: Podcast i'm partnering up With. Amazon it was a sixty
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: two million dollar. Deal AND i say that, because, dude
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: my life got so much better and so much fucking
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: worse at the same. Time it was the. Worse oh.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: God so there's like the little, stuff you. Know, ACTUALLY
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: i just had a lawsuit close they pled guilty to
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: theft and a. Bunch SO i started a house renovation
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: project WHEN i was living in a house In pennsylvania
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: when this thing kicked, off AND i think they've picked
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: up THAT i was making quite a bit of. MONEY i.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: WAS i was adjusting how MUCH i wanted done to my.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: House before, Long i'm like adding fucking crazy shit to my.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: House they ended up gutting the house to the studs
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: because they're going to remodel, it but they didn't do any.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: Work and now they kind of had. Me my house is,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Wrecked i'm living in a. Rental they're stringing me, along
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: and so they stole hundreds of thousands of dollars and
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: never did any. Work and SO i see that that's
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: a little. Thing and then over the course of the
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: next several, years, Dude i've Had i've had people take
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: advantage of me in just the most, personal deep cutting,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: ways ways that in a if you were to like
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: write a, movie you, know here's the. Scene is somebody
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: who suddenly comes into money and like the bad the
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: pitfalls of that and people coming out of the woodwork
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: to take from. Them the things that happened to me
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: with with with some family and with some close friends
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: and with you, know business, partners is just like are
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: you fucking kidding? Me like this was all just an,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Angle like you had an angle on me the whole,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: Time like this is a fucking Con.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Well people think about people that come into money like
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: that the same way they think about a large. Corporation
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: if they like slip on the floor like At, target like,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: Ooh i'm gonna get. Paid they don't Think i'm all,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: right it's, Fine it's my.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: FAULT i.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Slipped now they, say, oh this is an. Opportunity and
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: they look at a guy like you who's you, know
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: through your own hard work and stumbling upon this idea
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: and following through with it made a bunch of. Money they're,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: LIKE i can get some of that. Money they don't
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: even think of you as a person. Anymore they think
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: of you as a.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: TARGET i got to keep your circle, tight. Dude that's
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: the THING i Got antonio out. There he's like my
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: right hand. Man he's a former homicide. Detective like he
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: actually he came to me to be my house, manager
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: and one of the first things he said to me
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: is he's, LIKE i don't give a fuck about your
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: content DUE i think it's. Stupid and it's like you're
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: you're the guy for. Me but he's been awesome because
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: he just like keeps everybody around me sort of like.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Vetted but, yeah, dude.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: That's, important, man because people will sneak through and sometimes
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: you don't see them the way other people see. Them
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: other people see them as like this guy's got an,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: angle he's just. Comeback be, careful and you, know you
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: let people into your circle and then they they're like
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: when they're around, you they're putting on an. Audition they're
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: pretending to be someone they're. Not they're pretending to be
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: someone that you're going to want to hang out. With
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: and what they're using you is they're just thinking of
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: you as a SPRINGBOARD i wore as a way to get.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: MONEY i would imagine for, you just GIVEN i, mean,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: dude you are, podcasting like if there is literally people are, like,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: hey you want to be the next, president you better
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: go On joe's. Show, LIKE i can only imagine the
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: amount of auditioning that happens around you and your circle
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: to get Where i'm sitting right. Now AND i got
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: to be, HONEST i don't know how you'd be able
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: to sift through people that are trying to Meet joe
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: and interact with, you and people who are trying to
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: get in With Joe's joe will interview. Them.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: Well the good news IS i don't really interact with anybody.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: That's the right.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Approach so the WAY i even get like suggestions is
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: ONE i see something That i'm interested, in AND i
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: have a guy AND i either call, him text, him
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: or email him and, say, hey let's try to get
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: this guy. On this guy's got a great book or
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: she's got a really interesting documentary or whatever it. Is
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: and then THERE'S i get these people that submit to
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: want to be on the, show SO i get a
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: list of those, that you, know there's a guy that
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: goes through them that makes they're, legit and then by
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: the time they get to, me it's filtered out to
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: what is actually.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Going to be.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Interesting so there's not a lot of you, know people
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: meeting me that are and the people that do meet
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: me USUALLY i never want to have them. On like
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: if somebody just like comes up to, ME i have
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: to be on your, Podcast like, nope you definitely already
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: you definitely don't have to be. On so this is
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: a crazy. Conversation no one has to do, anything you,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: know and it's people reveal, themselves you, know they just
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: do they you, know over, time it takes a little,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: bit you, know it's not it's not, instantaneous but over,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: time people reveal themselves and it's just the key, is you,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: know just being. Open and there's also people surprise. You
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: you meet a lot of really interesting. People you, know
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: you run into people that you didn't expect would be
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: fascinating and they, are you, know there's a lot of that.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: Too it's, just, uh you got to be, present just
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: not not buy into any of. It that's The that's
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: the real, key no matter how big it, gets just
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: keep doing the thing that you. Do so ALL i
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: do is talk to interesting.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: People that's. It it's not that.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: Complicated and as long AS i continue to do it
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: the same, WAY i feel like people will enjoy it
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i think they enjoy it BECAUSE i enjoy, it
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: just like the way when someone's doing something that they
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: really love to, DO i enjoy Watching if someone's doing
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: like metal, sculpture you, know like and the guys are
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: really into it welding and, Hammering i'm, LIKE i am into.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: That i'm, Like i'm into people doing. THINGS i like
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: when people are really enjoying what they're doing and are
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: really curious or really like competent at, something you, know
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: they're excellent at. SOMETHING i enjoy watching, THAT i enjoy
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: listening to, it AND i always enjoy talking to interesting.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: People so as long AS i just keep enjoy talking
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: to interesting, PEOPLE i think people will keep enjoying watching.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: It and it's a nice exchange. Works you, know it's real,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: simple BUT i keep it that, WAY i don't ever think, like,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: oh this guy's, famous he'll have a bunch Of oh
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: this will be a good episode Because i'll get a
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: lot of. VIEWS i don't think like. THAT i only,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: think you, know because it's like a lot of the
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: people that are on my, show no one's ever heard of.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: Them they're just an interesting person THAT i found on,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: YouTube or an interesting person THAT i, found you, know
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: in a documentary or whatever it.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: IS i think it's the point you make about how
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: you WELL i think for me, anyways the one the
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: one Thing i've come back to over the past several
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: years of doing this is, truthfully even though there are
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: times where you, know creating content is obviously it is
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: a job in the sense that we have a recording
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: schedule and we have things that we have to, do
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: as you obviously do, too amongst whatever else you're. Doing
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: the one thing THAT i fucking love doing is telling.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: STORIES i, mean that's REALLY i really feel like that's
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: the place where I'm you're a really good.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Storyteller have me on the edge of your, seat edge
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: of my seat rather with Your afghanistan.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: Story fuck, man that was. Incredible you're really good at.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: It thank. You and the other one, too The russian one.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Too you, know a great, story it resonates with, people
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: especially a creepy, one which is WHY i think you
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: know you've picked the perfect, angle because a great creepy,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: story like you hear a great creepy, Story like everybody's,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: like whoa?
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: That have you heard of the The Headless? Valley no
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: in your in your comings and goings on the show
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: than The Haney. Valley, NO i got a good story for,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: you hear? It? Okay. Okay so In, canada there's this
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: section in the northwest called The Northwest. Territories are you
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: familiar with? This? Yes? Okay so for those that are,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: not The Northwest territories is roughly four times the size Of.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: Germany But germany has something like eighty seven million people
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: who live. There and in this space In, canada this rugged,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: space there's like forty five thousand people that live. There
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: so it's four times the size Of germany and basically not.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Populated it is as remote as a as.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: A population of dripping, springs not even not even.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Dude and so within The Northwest territory there's this this
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: even more remote stretch that's called The Nahani valley and
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: The Nahani Valley, today it's a protected, park it's A
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: canadian protected. Park but even, still even though it's a,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: park you can go, visit it's it's nearly impossible to get.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: To Uh to get there by, boat you have to
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: traverse these rap i think it's a very treacherous ride
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: to get there by. Boat there's no established roads into
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: The Nahani. Valley you can hike, there it's brutal to hike.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: There you can fly, there but it's only through chartered.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: Floatplanes it's a difficult place to get. To but The
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Nahani valley in particular when the story takes, place which
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: is like the early nineteen, hundreds because of how isolated it.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Was it's like one of the parts Of earth that's
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: like untouched by, humans and so the only people that
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: would be in this, huge sprawling, valley it was like
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: an oasis of. Nature they would see things that are
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: just like so, gorgeous like untouched. Nature but in the
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: early nineteen, hundreds there was this push from gold prospectors
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: to go out into The Nahani valley because they figured
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: because it's so untouched by, humanity there's bound to be
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: gold to be. Found in The Nahani. Valley, now there
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: were some indigenous, tribes like The naha. Tribe they were out.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: There there's some lore surrounding how they might have abandoned
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: their their settlement around the time the story takes. Place
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: but there were indigenous tribes that lived out. There but
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: for the most, part it's like this sort of vacant
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: stretch in this already isolated part of the. World and
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: so in NINETEEN i think it's nineteen oh, five these three,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: brothers these three, prospectors the McLeod, Brothers, Charlie willie And,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: frank who are their seasoned gold, prospectors they decide they
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: are going to head off into The Nahani valley and
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: go try to strike it. Rich and it's even harder
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: to get into the valley back then as it is.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Today it required for them they actually had to build a.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: Boat they had to bring pieces of a, boat and
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: they would take it up a rapid or down the,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: rapid and they'd have to disassemble the, boat carry it
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: up like these rock faces to get like there's waterfalls
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: they had to get, past and then bring the boat
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: further and further into this. Valley and it's like This
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: it's just crazy how much work goes into getting out.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: There but these three brothers they find their way into
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: the valley and they get to the stretch of this
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: river called The Flat, river which is anything but raging.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: Rapids but there was this little embankment against this huge
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: forest and the like mountains off in the, distance and
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: they made their camp there and there's no one. AROUND i,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: mean this is pristine. Wilderness and they start sifting sluicing for,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: gold and it's just fucking gold. Everywhere it's like the
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: sand is. Gold there's gold. Everywhere they find so much,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: gold and they can't believe. It they've they've struck it
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: completely rich. Here and so after a whole DAY i
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: think they did two three days even of just getting
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: all this, gold they pack all their shit back up
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: in their boat that they've, assembled and they begin making
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: their way back out, again which should be easier because
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: NOW i think a lot of it you are going
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: with the. CURRENT i don't even know how they get
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: up there with the rapids going one, way but either,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: way they begin making their way out and their boat
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: capsizes and they lose all their. Gold the boat breaks.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: Up they narrowly are able to salvage the, pieces and
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: they come ashore and they build their boat again and they're,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: like oh my, gosh we've lost so many. Supplies this is.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Horrible you. Know the best we can do here is
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: leave and come back with more, supplies because we know
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: there's gold, Here like this is, devastating but no one's
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: going to be. Here we can come, back we can
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: get more. Gold so they, leave and once they get
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: back to, Town, charlie one of the, brothers, decides you know,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: it it's not worth. It that was really. SKETCHY i
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: don't want to die out on the flat, river you.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Know frank And willy they're, like, ah we gotta. Go
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: we got to go out. There and so fast forward a,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: Year charlie's still SAYING i will not go back out,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: there But frank And willy they decide to, go and
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: they recruit this other, GUY i think his name Is Robert,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Weir Robert, weir and so the three of them go
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: back into the valley to strike it. Rich and you,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Know charlie is aware that they're going out. There he's staying,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: back but he knows they're going. Out he knows where
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: they're going because he went there with, them and he
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: expects they're going to be gone FOR i think it
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: was going to be a whole, year and you can
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: imagine how much effort goes into getting out. There they
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: were going to live out, THERE i, think for the
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: summer and just get as much gold as they could
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: and come. Out but some amount of time. Passed let's
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: year When charlie starts to become suspicious because they haven't
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: come out of the valley, yet and this is nineteen oh.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: Five there's no way to talk to, them and so
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: another whole year. Passes we're two years deep into this
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: and still these guys have not returned from The Nahani.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: Valley and so at this Point charlie is, thinking there's
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: an issue. Here something's happened to my. BROTHERS i gotta
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: go find. Him and so he puts together a group
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: of people to go see what happened to his. Brothers
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: and so he makes his. Way he starts getting into
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: the valley and he reaches this stretch of this is
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: just as give you a mental image of where he's
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: going to get to that segment of the beach where
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: they had been two years prior When charlie was with.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Them because that's where he's assuming they're going to. Be
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: they had to pass through these. Canyons there's four canyons
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: that GO i think It's canyon, Four canyon, two three,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: one they're all just Called canyon, one, two three. Four
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: but they're. STAGGERING i, mean just. Visually these are just ominous.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: Places they are these, stretches Like canyon two is this
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: ten mile stretch of very deep. WATER i don't know how.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: DEEP i want to say it's at least one hundred
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: feet deep where the water goes all the way up
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: to the cliff. Face it's a sheer cliff face on either.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: Side so it's like the scar in The earth where
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: it's hundreds of feet tall cliffs on either side that are,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: sheer and it's just you, know call it one hundred
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: feet at least of water. Down there's nowhere to stop
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: once you're in this. Canyon you must go to the
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: end of the. Canyon there's nowhere to. Go. Fuck and
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: The naha, tribe who the tribe that had lived there
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: for a, while they had always talked About they called
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: them The. Wahila they said there were these, creatures these,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: white tall creatures that would roam the forest in The Nahani,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: valley and they would make these screeching, sounds and they
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: were you, know they would attack. People just, folklore, Right
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: but they said that in these canyons there there were
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: all these, caves these pockets of caves high up on
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: these these canyons that you can't really get, to that
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: they believed The Wahila wahila would would live. Side so
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: imagine you're going down this like misty ten mile stretch
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: And Second, canyon and you're looking up on either side
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: and there literally are caves that no human has ever
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: step foot. In you can't even get to these fucking.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Caves and because of the way the wind cuts through the,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: canyon it makes this echoe like screeching noise that today
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: you can still hear as you go through these. Canyons
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: and so they're going Through Second, canyon this stretch here
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: and the stretch of Flat river where he had been
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: the year prior or two years prior with his brothers
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: was at the end Of Second canyon where the first
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: little colt a beachhead, Exists and so He charlie and
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: a search party they exit this Creepy Second canyon and
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: they see there's a camp site set up on the,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: beach and it's not really a. Beach it's, like you,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: know four feet of, sand and then it's a little
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: bit of hinterland and then it's just you, know. Forest
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: but he sees there's a, tent and so they beach
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: the boat and they're looking around and they find there's two.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Bodies it's a, man two. Men they're badly, decomposed but
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: they're missing their. Heads there's two headless men that are badly,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: decomposed one of which is reaching for his, rifle and
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: he's half in the, tent half out of the, tent
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: and he's reaching for his rifle which is propped up
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: against a, tree and the other is just lying behind
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: the tent and he's missing his. Head the heads were never,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: found and they find identification and it turns out those
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: are his two. Brothers and they find etched into the
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: tree that the gun was propped. On it just was
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: etched into the. Wood we have found a fine, prospect
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: which could mean any number of. Things maybe it means
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: they found, gold, whoever but that was written on the.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: Tree and then a little ways down from their, camp
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: going along the same direction they'd come, in they found
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: a skeleton which they could never identify as being, anyone
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: but they believe it belonged To Robert. Weir so they're all.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: Dead and the, authorities you, know when this was, reported
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: they weren't really. Shocked they're, like it's then A Hani.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: Valley it's a dangerous. Place they obviously died of starvation
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: and animal predation, caused you, know their heads to be ripped,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: off you, know tough. Luck charlie didn't believe. That he
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: always believed that something had happened to his, brothers but
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: he had no way to prove. It so that's nineteen oh.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: Five fast forward to nineteen. Thirteen people sort of know
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: about this. Story that this is when they dubbed it
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: The Headless valley because these men were found without their.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Heads little did they know that story would carry quite
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: a bit of, weight because ten years are a little
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: bit less than ten years, Later Martin, jorgensen who's another gold,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: prospector he heads out into The Nahani. Valley he's heard the,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: stories he's heard about the McLeod. Brothers he knows that
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: there's lore of The wahila and that there's something weird
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: happening in this valley and it's, dangerous but he goes
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: out there, anyways and he tells his business. Partners with
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: these rich guys who didn't want to actually go get the,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: gold they just funded his. Expedition he's, Like i'm going
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: to go out there And i'll make us a bunch of.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: Money i'll find a bunch of. Gold i'll stay out
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: there for the whole, summer and then we'll rendezvous and
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: we'll split the earnings or. Whatever so out he, goes
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: and he builds himself a cabin not far from where
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: the McLeod brothers had. Stayed and then the second expedition
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: is well and he is out there for the, summer
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: but then he misses the rendezvous. Point he was supposed
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: to come out of the valley and meet his partners
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: at the end of the. Summer he. Doesn't, eventually a
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: search party is brought out to find what happened to,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: him and they find his cabin had burnt to the.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Ground they Find Martin jorgenson is within the remains of
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: this burned down, cabin missing his. Head gee and THEY
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: i don't know how they did this in nineteen, thirteen
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: but apparently the fire began on the roof and so
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: they don't understand how he could have not realized there
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: was a problem and exited his. CABIN i, mean it's simplifying,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: it but it's an odd thing that fire starts here
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: and you still burn to the. Ground and also where's your?
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: Head so That's Martin. Jorgenson so now people they aren't
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: really connecting the McLeod brothers And Martin. Jorgenson it's called
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: that it was called The Headless. Valley by the Time
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: Martin jorgensen gets into the, valley he's now found. Headless
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: and now it's like there's a little more rumor mill going.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: On over the coming several actually next ten, years there
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: was several other expeditions to include this Guy riley O'Brien
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: who goes out there. Prospector he goes out to check his,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: traps doesn't come back as partner who's with. Him he
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: walks over and finds him and he's just sitting inexplicably
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: by a campfire that's not. On it's not even it was.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Cold it was cold enough to freeze to death out,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: there but it was not blindingly, cold and he's sitting
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: in front of this fire. Pit it's only been like
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: an hour or two since he stepped, away and he's
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: holding a match or a cigarette in his, hand and
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: he's just like he's. Frozen he's frozen to, death and
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: there's no sign of what happened to. Him he's just
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: sitting by the fire and he's. Dead he has his,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: head but he's frozen to. Death the guy with his
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: partner who fled the valley would later say he looked flash.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Frozen so that. Happens there were at least two other
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: prospectors who also had their cabins burned. Down one of
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: them was nearly decapitated when he was, found but he
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: still had his, head but signs of something being done
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: to his spine was. Present and then there was another
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: two guys who their cabins burned down but their bodies were.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: Intact so there's all these people that die in similarly bizarre.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: Ways and, then IN i think it was nineteen twenty,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: six the first like really weird thing. Happens this is all,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: weird but the really weird thing, happens it's going to get.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: Weirder it gets. Weirder there was this hunting party that
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: went out to The Nahani valley and by this point
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: it's become almost like because there's this lore surrounding how
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: dangerous this place. Is because people are fearful of The Nahani.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: Valley it's now bringing a new crowd of people into the.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: Valley it's bringing like hunting parties that kind of are,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: LIKE i don't want to go fucking see what's out
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: in this. Valley and so they were going Through Second
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: canyon and they were heading To Flat, river and they
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: were going to these places where all these kind of
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: famous deaths have occurred to go, hunting but just sort
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: of to be in this. Valley and so this hunting
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: party is out there and it's a big. GROUP i
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: think there was at least a dozen people out. There
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: and they're camping out on the banks of The Flat,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: river not really in the same spot where the McLeod
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: brothers had, been but not too far, away and they're
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: out drinking, late having a good old. Time they all
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: go to bed and the next Morning May lafferty is her,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: Name May. Lafferty she's. Missing she's one of THE i
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: think she was the only woman on this. Expedition she's
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: gone and they look for. Her there's no sign. Up
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: what happened to? Her she's just. Gone and so they
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: did have some sort of a search occur over the
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: next several, days but they ultimately, said you, know we
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: don't happen to, her and they they, Left they left the,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: valley and so they tell. Authorities AUTHORITIES i think they
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: went out to look for. Her they could never find,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: her no sign up what happened to. Her and so
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: around the time that they're looking For May, lafferty there
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: was this guy who is Named, charlie different From charlie,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: MacLeod just a sort of loner guy who just by,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: happenstance had been camping in The Nahani valley at the
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: same time as that hunting. Party he was by, himself
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: sort of just this rugged outdoorsman who it's not even
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: clear why he was out, there but he was just
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: out there minding his own. Business he was aware of
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: the hunting, party and he said that he watched them
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: have their party that, night and he had stayed up
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: late but eventually gone to. Sleep and he ultimately reports
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: this to the police because there's all this talk of
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: Where's May, lafferty and this Guy charlie realizes he may
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: have seen, her so he goes to the police and
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: he tells, Them, HEY i was out. There they don't
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: KNOW i was out. THERE i was out there at
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: the same. Time AND i went to bed late at
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: night after they were already, asleep AND i woke up
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: to the sound of, rocks like little rocks falling into the.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: Water and he's relatively close to the, water but he's
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: not so close that he would hear the sound of the.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Current he's far enough that a stone throw into the
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: water you'd hear the splosh. Sound and so he wakes
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: up and he crawls out of his tent and it's
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: pretty well, illuminated and he's in the, trees you, know
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: and he can see the, water the flat, river and
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: he can't tell what the rocks are coming. From it
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: just sounds like rocks falling from a distance into the.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: Water and so he just is, curious and he gets
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: up and he walks down to the water, line and
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: he starts hearing him more and. More and he looks
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: up and there's a part of the, coastline if you,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: will the beach line that sort of was up on
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: a rise to his, left like there was a hill
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: that was right next to. Him that's, dramatic just a
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: slight rise and there was a little bit of a
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: cliff that maybe like six feet eight feet of a
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: cliff that overlooked the river right, there and he sees
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: there's this woman who's crawling on all fours and she's
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: scrambling up this this little rise of the beach and
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: it's her kicking of the dirt that's like sprinkling rocks
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: into the. Water and he's looking at. Her and she
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: gets to the top and she, stops and she turns
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: around and looks at, him and he described her as looking.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Possessed he was, like there was something wrong with. Her
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: she just stared at, me and he was so frightened
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: he Didn't he just froze and then hid and he
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: watched this woman scamper off into the wherever she went
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: over the, rise away from the. Camp so she's, gone
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: and he didn't know what to make of. It he's,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: like that's so. Weird he hears about this missing, woman
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: tells he tells, police and he sees a picture of
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: her and he's, Like i'm nearly positive that was. Her
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: and so she's never found and so May. Laffert he's
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: gone fast forward another twenty, years so there's no, idea
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: and in those twenty years more prospectors are found dead as.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: Well one of the last hunting parties went out into
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: The Nahani valley and actually prospector goes out to the
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: prospector goes out and he goes. Missing his name Is John.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: Patterson this is like in the nineteen thirty nine nineteen forty,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: range and a hunting party goes out to look for
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: him and they can't find. Him and on the last
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: night they were, there one of the men who was
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: part of this search party For John, patterson they're near
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: the flat, river he described an indigenous man walked out
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: of the tree line just sort of inexplicably walks over
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: to him and he comes up to the group who
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: are sort of on the tree on the beach line,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: there and he just says to this, guy he's like,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: hey and they're startled to see him to begin, with
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: like where the fuck did you come? From and he's,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: like be. Careful The wahila are out, tonight and the
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: guy just like, wonders this is according to, legend this
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: is what was said to, him and the guy wanders
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: back off into the. Trees but the leader of that.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: Expedition they were planning to stay i want to, say
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: two additional days to keep looking For John. Patterson but that,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: night following that comment made by that, guy the indigenous,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: guy all night they reported these ungodly screams and screeches
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: coming from that, canyon second, canyon where those those caves
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: up in the cliffs were all around the, forest like
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: unearthly sounds were being. Made that scared them so badly
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: that the next day they, said we're not looking For
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: John patterson, anymore and they. Bailed and so people stopped
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: going into The Nahani. Valley and today you can still go.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: There it's still very hard to get. There but no
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: one has a good explanation for why so many fucking
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: people from nineteen oh three or four until at least
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: the nineteen forties kept going into that valley and kept
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: turning up, dead many of which without their.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Heads so this indigenous guy that lived up, there where
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: was he?
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: From?
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: Like is was he living up?
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: There was he a part of a? Tribe was he passing?
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: Through so that part of the, story, admittedly someone said
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: that an indigenous guy said that to, him there's not
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: much in the way of, like, okay was there a tribe.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: There you. Know it was one of those, loose loose
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: pieces of information that sort of surrounds the. Story the
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: reality is, is like are there's so much legend surrounding
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: The Nahani? Valley in part because The naha tribe that
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: had lived, there there was this STORY i mentioned at
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: the beginning that they apparently abandoned the valley after something,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: happened and people have always attributed it to the legend
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: of The, wahila that somehow these creatures must have forced
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: them to leave the. Valley and so combine that with
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: all of the actual deaths that occurred by the nineteen,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: forties When John patterson went, missing and when that guy
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: said who was part of that search party that the
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: indigenous guy warned him of The, Wahila this was a
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: big enough story that Like time magazine did something IN
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: i think the nineteen forties about like what the fuck
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: is happening in The Nahani? Valley like why are so
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: many people dying out? There SO i wonder if the
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: people who there maybe they heard some strange sounds that,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: night who, Knows but who's gonna who's gonna verify whether
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: or not there really was someone who warned them about The.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: Wahila we don't, know but that's that's the report that was.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: Given somebody claimed that An indigenous man sort of came
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: out of nowhere said watch out for The wahila, tonight
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: and then that night they heard all these. Screeches and
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: the REASON i called.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: It in asking is like maybe it was indigenous. People
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: they just didn't want these other guys coming, through and
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: so they created this thing.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: By cutting off their heads and killing these. People and
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: it's a great Deterren, Yeah, like maybe it's not because
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of people went.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Back, well maybe less than would have fair considering how
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: much gold there was.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: There, yeah that's that's actually that's. Fair.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, YEAH i mean that what a great way to
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: get rid of white. People cut a few heads off those.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: Ghosts, yeah. DUDE i love. THAT i find myself even
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: to this day googling The Nahani valley and just looking
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: at pictures of like the canyons and just reading even
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: just stuff THAT i know is probably folklore around the
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: valley because the idea that within this stretch of isolated
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: parts of the, world there's this really isolated part no
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: one can get.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: TO i love, That, well there's some weirdness in the,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: world still in places that people don't go. To and
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: but just think about how hard it is to find a.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: Wolverine and we know wolverines are, real most when they
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: never see a. Wolverine they're In, alaska they're In, Canada
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: minnesota has. Wolverines like what states to. Wolverines let's put.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: This it's gotta Be Michigan. City got to Be. Michigan,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah michigan's right up, there the, wolverines, right and The
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: michigan wolverines.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: Right BUT i don't necessarily think that means THAT.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: I would imagine these little guys. Too oh, yeah.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: They're, little just like, badgers little ferocious. Motherfuckers they let's See, Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, No.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: Michigan.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting but the thing is my point is like
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: you don't see, Them LIKE i know a lot of guys, remote,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: cold high elevation Habitat, Colorado, Minnesota. MINNESOTA i know a
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: lot of guys who have been in the, woods you,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: know their whole live hunting and maybe they see. One,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: ever we know there's populations of them out, there but
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: it's rare to stumble across the wolverine in the, wild
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: and that's a known. Animal now imagine that there was a.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: TIME i, mean if you think about just the amount
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: of other types of hominids that they've found just over
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: the past few, decades they keep finding new, versions like
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: The island Of, flores the little hobbit, people The denisovans
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: that they. Found they think they were much larger Than homo.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: Sampiens so they're finding and The, DENISOVANS i think is
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: like within the last ten years or, so and they
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: keep finding these skeletons and finding these, bones and then
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: they find out, whoa, oh this one was around three
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand years. Ago it was around five hundred thousand years.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: Ago but that's just what you find in. Bones most
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: people's bones you're never gonna. Find so the vast majority
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: of things that have died never make it into the fossil,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: record and so you have a small number of things that.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: Do now we know that humans cannibalize other. Humans it's
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: been a it's been a.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: Practice it's Practiced Guinea, yeah it's practice. TODAY i mean
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: that's a bit of an, overclaim BUT i think.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: The nez person supposedly ate some of their, enemies like
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: there's there's a bunch of cannibalism going.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: On in the.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: World, now imagine if there was a hominine in some
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: sort of an ancient creature that still stayed alive in
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: a small population but would eat people or maybe just
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: cut the fucking heads off or just attacked them and
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: killed them because they didn't want them anywhere, near because
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: they associated over time people with. Problems and then if
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: you're around, people they're gonna hunt, You they're gonna shoot,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: You they're gonna kill. You so what do you? Do
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: you stay is far away from. People the way to
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: survive is to be in the most remote, place are
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: the most remote place humanly, possible and when you find,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: people kill, him kill him so that they don't go after.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: YOU i know that you had seen something THAT i
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: Had Tom segura on an interview one, time AND i
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: told a story about The mexican. Pilot does that ring any, Need,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: yes it's just you're talking about like how humans do
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: damage to one. Another but so the sixty second version
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: is there was This mexican, pilot, civilian he's going out
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: for his last. Test Rafael PACHECO i think is his.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: Name he's going out to do his last test run
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: as a, pilot and it's a simple. Route, hey you're
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna fly solo to prove you know what you're.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: Doing he takes off and he immediately starts to realize
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't have control over the. Instruments you, know
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: it's this is the instruments were pretty r entry to begin.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: With this is like the nineteen fifties or, SIXTIES i,
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: Think and so it's a lot of dead reckoning from
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: the pilot's, seat like he's looking out to see where
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: he needs to. Go the mist is getting, bad and
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: then he's calling over the. Radio he's, LIKE i can't
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: get my plane to, move and then suddenly he passes
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: out and his plane like accelerates up into the, sky
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: and then he wakes up hours later off the coast Of,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: acapoco which based on how much fuel was, left he
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: had too much fuel for how far of a distance
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: he had covered from where he had taken Off, Chimulikan.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: Mexico it was more THAN i got three hour. Drive
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: so he's too far away with too much, fuel and
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: he comes to in his. Plane he's still. Flying he
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: has no idea how he got. There he's just coming
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: to And rafael he hears in his radio some voice
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: and it's an air traffic control, Guy, carlos who's down In,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: acapoco and he's talking To rafael as if they've been
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: having an ongoing. Conversation But rafael's, like what's going? On
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: like where AM? I what's going? On And carlos is like,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: what like are you alone in your? Craft And rafael's
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: he's like taking stock of his. Situation he regains control
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: of his. Plane he's like what AM i? Doing and
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: and so Basically carlos is, like, hey, dude like come
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: in and land, here land, here will figure it. Out
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: So rafael's, LIKE i don't even know what. HAPPENED i
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: passed out at the. Wheel he lands at the airstrip In,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: acapoco and immediately he's met with these guys in suits
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: like picture men in. Black he gets scooped up and
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: he's brought to a hospital where he's drug tested and
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: talks to a psychologist and they don't give many information at.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: All he's, like what? Happened Like i'm so, sorry and
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: they determine that he's not crazy and he's not on
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: drugs and only then do they, Say, Hey, so when
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: you were out over the off the coast Of, acapoco
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: you were flying in circles for over an. Hour And,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: carlos the air traffic control, guy he's the one who
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: saw you on the on the, screen and he was
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: talking to you for an hour while you were out,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: there and the whole conversation is recorded and and basically
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: if you can listen to the, recording And i'm pretty
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: sure you guys might have on the, Show rafael passes
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: out and at some point a couple hours, later when
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: he's somehow magically off the coast Of, acapoco a voice
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: comes across in the cockpit that's like this, robotic deep
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: altered sounding voice that doesn't sound Like. Rafael in the earlier,
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: recording it sounds Like rafael's. Voice now it's, different and
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: he's talking To, carlos and this voice comes through and
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: says something to the effect of like you are listening
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: to the sound of the voice coming through the, pilot
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: but it's not his. Voice we are inhabitants of this,
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: universe but your technology is so. Primitive this is the
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: only way we can contact. You we're here to tell
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: you that you are the only intelligent species in our
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: universe that uses warfare to harm one, another and you're
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: effectively on the brink of extermination and you need to
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: find a way to stop. It and then Like raphael comes,
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: too and that's when he's, like what's going? On And
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: carlos thinks he's been talking To rafael the whole, time
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: and that's when he's, like is there somebody else in
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: the cockpit with? You, Anyways so it's this big. Mystery
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: But mexico took the story and kind of like sequestered.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: It the way we got access to the to the
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: transcripts of it is we had we had to write
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: a letter to a library In mexico that had access
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: to the transcript and. Anyway so but it's interesting to imagine. That,
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: ONE i love thinking about life outside of the outside
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: Of earth BECAUSE i think that the notion that there
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: is life or that there isn't life is astounding and
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: fascinating either direction you. Go So i've always been interested in.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: That but, two the idea that others out there are
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: warning us that we're on the fucking fast track to
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: destroy ourselves and you better knock it. Off that's also pretty,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: crazy and we're so accustomed to humans being violent and
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: horrible to each. Other it's that's our, right that's our, history.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: Right but, like what if that's not? Normal what if
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: it's like where we're the fucked up people and we're
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: just killing everybody and we need to.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: STOP i have a, theory and my theory is THAT
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: i think when you look at all the different ancient
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: religious texts in regards to the creation of the human,
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: race there's so many of them that have these very
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: bizarre similar. Narratives and these similar narratives are like.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: In The book Of.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: Enoch in The book Of, enoch the watchers come down
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: and they mate with the daughters of. Men there's a
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: lot of weird stuff like. That Even adam And, Eve
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: Like god Created adam And god Created, eve he created Like, outam.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: What like why did he do? That why did he do?
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: That and he did what did he do with? Giraffes
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: what did he do with like why? Hummingbirds what's going?
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: On but it doesn't they're not along the stories. Different
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: the story of humans is a story of. Engineering it
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: seems to be a story of genetic. Engineering it seems
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: to be a story of human beings being. Taken you
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: take like whatever this primitive beast, is and you put
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: something else into, it and you rapidly create something that's
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: far more advanced than anything. ELSE i think along the,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: lines you maintain too much of the primitive beast for
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: the amount of intelligence that it has and the amount
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: of technological competence that it's capable of.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: Achieving it's too.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: Primitive, still it's too, violent it's too, territorial it's too
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: there's too much of. It it's still an. Animal but
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: we're not totally an. Animal we're you, know if you
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: looked at us and looked at everybody else like, that animals.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: Crazy this animal makes fucking. Airplanes you, know we're so
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: different than everything. ELSE i think we're, engineered AND i
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: think we're, engineered like you. Know, Look i've had pit,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: bulls AND i know people will tell you pit bulls
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: are great dogs and they're sweet, dogs AND i love,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: them don't get me. Wrong, however they're sketchy fucking.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: Dogs the sket.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: Dogs they're sketchy dogs.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: Period and you could, Love, oh it's all how you train.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: Them fuck.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: You those dogs are designed to attack other dogs and they.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: DON'T i had my dogs THAT i had to separate.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: Once you never should have two females. TOGETHER i realized THAT.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: I have that going on right. Now it's not good.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: Females you gotta get rid of one of. Them you
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: can't have the females. Together they'll fight to the, death
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: and they never they males established. Dominance the one male
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: is dominant with the other. Males the other males back,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: off and that's the. Room that's not how it works with.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: Females the female, dogs they keep they keep trying to
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: decide who's the. Boss AND i had to separate. Them
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: they're locked onto each other and they're wagging their. Tails
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: they're biting each other's face and neck locking onto each
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: other AND i mean full wagging the tail like they're
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: having the time of their. Life AND i had to
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: hose them down and separate. THEM i had to have
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: someone to help.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: Me we made.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: Them, yeah those are not a dog that, like it's
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: not a. Wolf you, know wolfs are really, fascinating clever
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: creatures that have evolved over time with. Nature and you
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: know they're brutal to each, other but they're brutal to
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: each other in a way that makes sense.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: For the survival of the.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: Pack it all makes sense if you look at like
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: how it works and how you, know they have to
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: communicate together and they have to push out the weak
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: ones and push out the old. Ones it's, brutal but
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: it makes. Sense, yeah pitbulls don't make any. Sense they
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: make no, sense and people don't make any. Sense people
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: are like something that somebody. Created people are like super,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: intelligent very aware of our own finite, lifespan very aware
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: of our own, mortality very aware of the consequences of hurting.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: People yet we do it. Anyway we communicate with each.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: Other we know there's people that like their entire day
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: is just fucking with people. Online their entire day is.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: That like so people like to cause, pain like to cause.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: Chaos there's people out there that are. Warmongers they enjoy starting,
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: war they enjoy like getting involved in conflicts with other.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: Nations that's their, thing that's what they. Do we're fucking.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: Weird we're weirder.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: Than any other.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: ANIMAL i think one of the reasons why we're this
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: weird and this incoherent is because we're.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: Engineered one thing that, SO i studied philosophy in college
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: because at one POINT i, THOUGHT i might go to law,
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: school BUT i love like thought. Experiments and one of
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: the things that always stuck with me that's sort of
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: along these lines is this idea that humans are almost
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: to the point where you can't even notice. It you
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: are completely. Egotistical like every human you could basically define
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: their whole existence as being absolutely. Egocentric and it comes
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: down to how you treat other people and on your motives.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: Whatever but, critically there's one point that stands out above,
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: all and Actually neil de Gross tyson nails. THIS i
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: know you had an interview with. Him i'm not sure
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: if you guys covered, this but it's one of his
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: best descriptions of how fucked up humans are and how
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: we think about is the wrong. Way, so because we're so,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: egotistical like humans as a, species we sort of assume That, okay,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: well if there's life in any capacity outside Of earth
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: or undiscovered life, somewhere everything is sort of compared against.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: Us we are the baseline intelligent. Life you know what
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: that looks, Like, yeah it looks something like. Us how
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: do we describe intelligent? Aliens they're like gray beings that
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: looks that they're like bipedal and sort of resemble. Humans
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: we have this sort of baseline thought that humans are
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: the best and that humans are the, smartest and that
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: if anything is going to be intelligent in the universe beyond,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: us it'll have elements of human to. It, Right and
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: So neil De Grasse tyson brings this point up that
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: shows you the absurdity of how little we know and
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: how probably wrong we. Are he's, Like, okay he does
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: a much better job of. This but it's, like, okay
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: so we're made up OF. Dna humans are made up
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: OF dna number OF dna. Strands i'm going to botch
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: the way he tells, it but imagine we have one
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: hundred pieces OF dna that make us. Human, like if
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: you have these hundred, pieces you're a. Human, Okay, well
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: who's our closest relative to. Humans it's probably the. Chimpanzee
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: and just for the sake of this, description, Sorry, neil
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: you probably do a better. Job they have like ninety
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: eight of the human, pieces but they got either their missing,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: too or they have two different, ones and that's the
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: thing that makes them a. Chimpanzee so they're like ninety, eight,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: Right and then you, have, well what's the next closest
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: thing to, humans it goes, human he goes. Chimp maybe
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: it goes to like FUCKING i don't, know a bird
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: or a dolphin or. Whatever but you go down the
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: line of like the animals that are closest to us
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of, intelligence and you sort of degrade in
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: terms of number OF dna pieces that are close to the,
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: ideal which is one, hundred And neil's, like, okay, great
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: so you have that. Framework, okay what the fuck do
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: we do to? Chimpanzees we put them in, labs and
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: we test them in, labs we put them in fucking.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: Zoos do you do you go up to chimpanzees and, say, hey,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: chimp let's have a, conversation let's let's have a meaningful Intern,
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: no you, don't and they're the closest. Thing let's go
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: down the. List what about an? Ant like an ant's
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: like seventy five of one. Hundred you might step on
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: an ant and not even know. It. Right how many
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: times have you stopped to talk to the? Earthworm? None
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: because it doesn't even register for. You he's, like if
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: there's intelligent life in somewhere out, there what makes you
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: think we're not the. Ant why are we automatically at
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: the same. Level why would an intelligent species somewhere else
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: come here and be, like oh, shit, humans let's. Chat
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: what if we're so insignificant that we get stepped on
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: the way we step on, ants or, worse what if
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: we're close like the chimpanzee and we get rounded up
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: and fucking. Studied there's, that by the, way if you
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: want to there's a MOVIE i just watched last night
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: Called The. Signal it has to do with. THIS i
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: love sci fi. Movies check it. Out it's a fucking
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: signal the solely shit what applaud to? Us it has
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: to do with human. TESTING i kind of get a new. Movie,
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: no it's like twenty fourteen and it's it's it's you
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: got to watch. It and who's in? It no name, Actors,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: Lawrence i'm sure not non actors at. All this should
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: be fair easily want to Wreck. Lawrence it's amazing WHEN
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: i do the other. Name so this, movie admittedly you're
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: watching it and you're, like wait a, minute this IS
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: i kind of get. IT i kind of get. It
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: you get to the end and IT'S i will not spoil.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: It i'm not gonna spoil it you get to the.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: END i challenge anyone who watches this to think about
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: the EXAMPLE i just gave you about are we the?
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: Ant are we the? Chimpanzee what what place do we
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: have in the? Universe and with that in, mind think
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: about the ending to that, movie because it's it's very
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: sudden the way that movie, ends and you realize what
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: the point, is and it's the stark reminder that not
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: only do we not know what else is out, there
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: let alone on our own, planet we're still discovered things
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: that we've never even. Seen and that just has to
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: do with fossil. Records who knows what's beyond? That how
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: do we rank in the? Universe, like it's so unbelievable
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: that when you look at our problems and you look
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: at the things that we focus, on and like our
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: gripes day to day and our conflicts with the, world
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: if you just zoom out and you realize it's not
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: just that we might not be, alone it's that we
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: might be. INSIGNIFICANT i don't.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: Think we're, INSIGNIFICANT i hope. NOT i think what humans
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: are is a latter stage of intellectual development amongst multi celled.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: Organisms and that it's not the end. Stage AND i
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: think there's probably life out there that doesn't have as
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: chaotic a solar system that developed in a different, way
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: that achieved very high, levels probably above and beyond anything
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: we could even imagine what we, are and it might
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: not even be biological, anymore which is the direction THAT
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: i think we're heading. Into BUT i also think that
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: what we do to, ANIMALS i, mean look at what
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: we're doing right. Now, okay my Friend Ben, lamb he
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: Owns colossal, bioworks so. Colossal they're the ones that brought
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: back the Dire.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: Wolf oh, shit, yeah that was huge.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: News, crazy, crazy, Dude i've seen them in real.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: LIFE i THINK i saw it in your. Past. YEAH
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: i went.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: Crazy went to visit them and my daughter was holding
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: the four month old and it was like kissing her
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: and love and on her like a. Puppy and it's
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: a little baby. Wolf it's really. Crazy just think of
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: what we do with genetic, engineering with the current, technology
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: which is right now evolving and getting much more. Powerful
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: if you could imagine us not a thousand years from,
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: now but even one hundred thousand years from, now how
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: advanced we, are and if we go to a planet
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: and we find some, chimps and we, say, wow how
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: much time would it take before these chimps could become something? Special,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: something you, know something that can make a, building something
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: that could make a cruise, ship you, know carnival cruise.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: Ons those are pretty. Incredible how long would that?
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: Take can we help? That every single ancient, culture if
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: you go back to their oldest religious, texts their oldest
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: religious texts are about some sort of an intervention by
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: an advanced.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: Visitor all of. Them oh, yeah, man so many of.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: Them the Ancient sumerian text if you go into like
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: the you, know it's hard to know what they're really
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: saying Because i'm not a language, expert but you, know
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: there's The Zechariah sitchens of the world that believe that
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: what they're describing is some sort of genetic. Engineering then
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: there's also the fact that the you know that sign
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: for medicine where you have the intertwined, snakes that's that.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: Sign WELL i forget what that's called it, thing but.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: It definitely it looks like the double helix FOR, dna
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: and that sign is in these Ancient sumerian clay. Tablets
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: it's all over ancient sumear it's in their. Buildings it's,
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: like not only it's and it indicates. Medicine what is
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: it Called. CADUSIUS i think.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: That's what it's, called, right The.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: Cadusius, Right so not just, that but the Ancient sumerians
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: in five thousand years.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: Ago they had a detailed depiction of the solar.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: System so in one of their ancient clay, tablets like
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: they have this image and the images of a sun
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: and all of the planets in the correct. Order it's very, weird,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: crazy it's very. Weird they also have depictions of these
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: very enormous people with these like ornamental. HEADDRESSES a lot
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: of them have. WINGS a lot of the weird ancient,
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: people the gods have. Wings and they also have like
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: these little people on their laps that have. Tails this weird.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: Shit so if you Believe sichen And sitchens claims that
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: we were genetically engineered to work for The anaki and
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: The onnaki are a species of super advanced beings that
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: were likely. Giants they came from another.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: Planet unfortunate turn of.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: Events that says here The, caducius which you can see
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: in that, PICTURE i, guess, right. There, yes is often
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: confused with the rod of a. Celefus what's? That just
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: a single, snake and that is what is popularized as the.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: It's a classic confusion with of a separatefessional health.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: Care associations are dominant symbol for professional healthcare associations in
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: The United. States so it's just The United states.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: Thing oh it's Only United, STATES i think, so well
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: wait a, minute, okay but but that cadusius does exist
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: in ancient sumer.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: Correct but that's WHERE i just see, That so look.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: That but my point is that looks like the same.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: Thing it's just a single. Snake is the medicine.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: Thing, okay but the medical corpse one right? There and
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: that image is two. Snakes, oh click on.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: That that's two. Snakes that's two. SNAKES i can see
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: how there's.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: Confusion you mularize the misuse of the symbol throughout The
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: United states medical.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: Field, okay all, Right well that one has two, snakes
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: that one has one. Snake point is the go to
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: The sumerian.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: One.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: Damage it exists on, buildings exists all over the. Place
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: it looks just like the double heelix OF. Dna it
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that's, It but it's a lot of weird
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: shit that that is associated with, Medicine like why is
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: the the the actual structure of OUR dna associated with
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: medicine in these ancient? Cultures why do they have these
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: images of these enormous people with wings like you would
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: imagine if something came from somewhere, else you would depict
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: it if it could actually fly and let you if
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: you're one hundred years, later one thousand years later of
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: two hundred years, later you're writing it down, like, oh
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: they had. Wings like there's a lot of fucking weird
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: stuff that, exists these ancient, scriptures The vimanas and the
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: Ancient hindu text these flying. Vehicles you, know there's a
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: lot of weird shit that seems to indicate there's a creation.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: Myth and the creation myth has to do with something
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: coming here and making us not, us like rising from
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: The ashen And god's energy forced us to evolve through natural.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: Selection And god is, real But god is just giving
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: us a pathway towards progression.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: To what we are.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: Today, no all of them are a story of.
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: INTERVENTION I. Uh the one thing THAT i always come
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: back to Anytime i'm thinking about deep philosophical. Things is
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: just the reality that, truly how can anyone? Know therefore
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: any idea could be the, case like when you like
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: one thing that always sort OF i think about this a.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: Lot is they've they recently discovered recent as in the
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: last ten twenty, YEARS i don't, know and maybe that's wrong.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: Too they found these things called. Exoplanets, okay, Fascinating so in,
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: essence they found these these planets that are comparable to Like.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: Earth and imagine a telescope looking out like in some
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: pinprick out in the middle of the, sky so far,
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: away thousands of light years, away, whatever millions of light years,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: away and they find like these clusters of. Exoplanets and
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: already they've discovered that there are exo planets that if
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: you think about how we understand, life the way we
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: understand it to exist with carbon and with water and all,
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: that there's a scale that they, call if there's a
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: name for. It but within the sliding scale of let's
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: say this side is life cannot be supported as we
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: know it all the way up to you, know can
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: totally support. Life there's this perfect zone in the middle
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: that we call The goldilock, zone which is essentially all
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: the ingredients for life as we know it exist if
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: you're on this portion of the. Scale and they've already
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: found there are all the, thousands and SO i want
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: to say at least five thousand exoplanets that are not
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: just in The Goldilocks, zone but let's Say earth is
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: barely into The goldilock. Zone they found thousands that are
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: better suited in terms of how we understand, life that
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: are more in The Goldilock zone than we. Are and
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: we have no access to those. Planets and that's just
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: looking in one little portion of the. Universe out there
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: thousands of. Them so here we are, today and it's, like,
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: oh that couldn't happened a, thousand two thousand years. Ago
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: that's not. Possible give me a. Break no one knows
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: what's happening right now in EXOPLANET cb. Twelve you don't,
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: know and you don't.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: Know if they get to a point where they are
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand years advanced from us and they have
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: novel propulsion systems that use gravity and bend space and
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: time and don't just use gasoline to rock it across the,
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: sky they could be here all the. Time they could
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: be hiding in the. Sky you, know there's there's too
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: many weird stories of people being like the abduction, Stories,
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: like there's too many weird ones WHERE i don't want
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: to dismiss, them you, KNOW i just because you don't.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: Know and if it's a novel, experience if someone's coming
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: something's coming here and finding some, pilot Some mexican pilot
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: and fucking nuking his brain temporarily and then talking through
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 2: him to the air traffic, controller fucking knows if that's,
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: Real if that only happens, once it never happens, again
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: and we're just sitting around going what? Happened nothing?
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: Happened that was.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: Nonsense there's always going to be a bunch of people
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: that want to say. That but have you ever heard
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: the recordings Of betty And Barney hill when they're going
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: through the hypnotic.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: REGRESSION i don't know them, WELL i know that. Story
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: the recordings are. CRAZY i don't know If i've heard the.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: RECORDINGS i know they.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: Exist, yeah they're talking about like these medical experiments that
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: they're doing on, them and like these people were living
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: IN i think it was the nineteen, fifties and so
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: it's an interracial couple In New hampshire in the nineteen,
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: fifties and no one knew ABOUT ufo abductions back.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: Then this was not a.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: Thing and, also these people see this light and their
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: car stops, working and then they wake up hours. Later
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: they lost, time and they go about their day like
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: something fucking. Happened they don't know, what they don't.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: Know what's wrong with.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: Them and then they eventually get hypnotized and both of
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: them independently have these fucking crazy stories of like medical
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: experiments being taken on board this. Craft and then so
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: many people have similar stories all throughout the world where
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: they don't have access to this. Story they don't have
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: access to you.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: Know any like.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: Any like iconic versions of what A ufo abduction experience.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: Is it's not like it's in their memory, like oh
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: It's Santa claus came down the cret.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: His pre social media. Lote, yes where like the proliferation
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: of information is just.
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: Less, yeah if you ever Read Jacques valet's, books he's
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: the guy that they modeled The french scientist And Close encounters. After,
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: yeah he's a guy who's like a legitimate scientist who's
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: been studying this. Forever he's very careful about, it and
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: he's a brilliant, guy and he has historical representations of
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: these experiences that go back into the seventeen, hundreds the eighteen,
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: hundreds and they're all like real, similar like weirdly, similar
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 2: where you're, Like, okay it hasn't happened to, me SO
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: i don't know what the fuck is going, On but
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: to dismiss it, outright and to be a person who's
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: experienced it and have it dismissed outright would be, Maddening,
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: yeah because like this might be a real thing that's.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: Happening and so now the government is slowly but surely
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: telling us more and more of what they. Know but
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 2: along the, way if you're a cynical person LIKE i
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: tend to be with a lot of this, stuff they're
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: probably also telling us some stuff it's not, true so
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: that we connect it to the stuff that is, true
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: and so that it all looks like, nonsense and they
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: can kind of like muddy the, water so you never
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: get a clear picture what's going. On BECAUSE i personally
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: believe there's probably some merit to this idea that they've
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: been doing back engineering of craft.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: VEHICLES i would be if there's actually a real crashed.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: Vehicle of, Course i'm going to try to figure out
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: how it. Works and it seems like if you talk
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: to like reliable people that seem to be telling the,
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: truth guys Like David, grush they seem to be telling
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: these stories like they have had these things in their
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: possession for, decades for a long fucking, time and these
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: things and they don't know what it. Is they don't
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: understand how to do, it they don't exactly know what's
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: going on or who's doing, it but they.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: Know that we're not.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: Alone, yeah but where are they coming? FROM i mean
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: some people say, interdimensional some people say. InterPlaNet i MEAN
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: i don't know what the fuck those words even. Mean
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: like something's coming from somewhere. Else it's not really, here
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: but it gets here.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: SOMEHOW I, uh this just reminds. ME i, THINK i
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: really genuinely think about this a. LOT i find myself
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: just lost in wondering just how big the universe is
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: and what else could be out, there just, PURELY i
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: just find myself drifting in that. Way in particular because
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: there's this thought experiment from. COLLEGE i think there's a
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: name for. It it's to get you to take a
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 1: stance on do you believe the universe is infinite or?
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 1: Not that's the point of this. Experiment and so the
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: way it goes, Is, okay pretend you have a bow and,
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: arrow and if you fire this arrow in any, direction this,
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: arrow this magical, arrow will go totally. Straight it'll travel
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: at you, know call it an infinite. Speed it'll pass through,
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 1: anything doesn't matter what direction you shoot, it it'll, go,
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 1: go go. Go the only thing that can't penetrate is
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: effectively non, existence where we're like the edge of everything that. Exists.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 1: Right and so in, COLLEGE i remember our professor would, say,
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: okay so pretend we fired this. Arrow, okay how many
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: people believe the arrow eventually comes to a stop? Somewhere
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: could be billions and trillions of light, years some ungodly distance,
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 1: away but it stops, somewhere, Right it has to write
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: how many people think? That? In like half the class is, like,
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: YEAH i, think probably stop somewhere in every, direction, Right
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: and then the other side of the class is, like
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: oh well, No like it's just so, Big like the
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: universe just goes on. Forever it's got to be. Infinite
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: the arrow just continues on infinitely And he's, like, okay,
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: great so we're all in agreeance that there's sort of it's.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: Binary it's one or the. OTHER i, mean as far
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: as we as humans understand, it there is an answer to.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: This it's one or the. Other those are the two.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: Outcomes he, Goes, okay, well let's pretend it's. Finite let's
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: pretend the first group that says that the arrow stops
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: somewhere someone godly dos and, soy but it. Stops let's
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: pretend that's. Right the way we understand everything, humans the
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: way we literally experience living is through. Contrasts everything is a.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: Contrast like you know what heavy is because you felt,
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 1: light you know what hot is because you've felt. Cold
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: it's virtually everything works that, way and in, fact fun,
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 1: note if there was intelligent life on the planet that
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: didn't resemble something that, contrasted our brain might not actually see.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: It so the point is we can't conceptualize what is
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: beyond where that arrow. Stopped pretend there's a big bubble
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: around the entire, universe, right and The arab comes to
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 1: stop at that. Wall that's all the way out. There as,
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 1: humans we naturally have to ask ourselves will define what's
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 1: on the other side of the, wall, right because you
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: have to what's beyond where it. Stops and someone will be, like, oh,
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: well it's non, existence that's what it. Is, okay what is?
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 1: That what does it look? Like, well we can't define.
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: It it's not blackness that. Exists it's not a void that.
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: Exists it's not any description we give it exists because
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 1: that's our entire understanding of how things. Work so we
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: can't define what exists beyond the. Wall and if it's
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: a maddening concept and so everyone's, like, wow the solution
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: to that is there's no. Wall it's just got to be.
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: INFINITE i, mean it's so big, anyways the arrow's just
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: got to continue on, anyhow problem, Solved, No because if
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 1: the universe is, infinite it implies that everything within the
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: universe is duplicated an infinite number of times and iterated
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: upon and changed an infinite number of times to. Infinity
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: everything has to Ye so if you say the arrow continues,
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: on it means there's an infinite number Of Joe rogan's
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 1: And John allen's having this. Conversation but like my phone's
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 1: turned upside down in one version of The, earth it sounds,
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: ridiculous but there isn't actually a way to solve for
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: infinity unless that. Exists so it reminds you that not
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: only is everything so fucking huge we can't possibly conceptualize of,
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 1: it but we can't even make sense of is it
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: even possible that it stops somewhere or does it go on? Forever?
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 1: Like it's so big and we're so small inside of.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: It it reminds you that every problem you have is so,
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: small and it's a good REMINDER i use on myself
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: oftentimes to calm myself down before things stress me. Out
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: that is a good.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: Reminder but it's so big that it might be a
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: part of an. Atom you have to think about, that
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: the universe itself and its infinite size might literally be
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: the space of an atom in something that is infinitely
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: larger than. That that's how big infinity. IS i think
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 2: about the billions of light years that we know are
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 2: available in like thirteen point whatever that we literally might
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: have you ever seen the comparison between what a human
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: neural cell looks like versus the.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: UNIVERSE i THINK i actually, have but not off the
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: top of my. Head it's fucking. Weird it looks the.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: Same it looks the.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: Same so just imagine if the universe is basically just a. Cell,
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: wow and it's a cell in another creature that lives
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: in a, universe like if this whole thing is. Fractal
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: that's what infinity really looks. Like is not only the
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: universe larger than you could possibly grasp with your, mind
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 2: but that is only an infinitely small part of a
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: that is in another universe that is also infinitely and impossibly.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: Big but that is also a cell that is also
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 2: a part of another beast that is in another universe
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 2: that is infinitely, large that is also a part of a,
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: cell and that it goes on. Infinitely that's real. Infinity
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 2: real infinity is not just the universe is so vast
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: that you can imagine it is the universe is just
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: a tiny part of something that is also so vast
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: that you can't imagine. It that is a tiny part
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: of something so vast you can imagine. It that is
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 2: an infinite chain of tiny parts of something so vast
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: that it's impossible to. Imagine that's what real infinity.
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: Is and the thing that's, craziest it's the one thing
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: THAT i really think is, True, well there is an.
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: Answer there is what you've. Described let's say that is the.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: Case it either is or it isn't, right and we
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: don't have access to that.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: Yet yeah, Yet but we're we're basically making stone.
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 1: Tools you, know that's generous relative to.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 2: That we're making stone. Tools we haven't figured out fire.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: Yet you, know we're, monkeys and one, day if we
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: don't blow ourselves, up we'll probably have some answers or
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: ai'll solve things for.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 1: Us it'll figure.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 2: OUT i, mean THE ai is solving mathematical equations that
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 2: have been like unfixable for decades AND ai solving them.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: QUICKLY i saw something like, That, yeah it's solved it
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 1: in like three. Seconds that took ten years to do. Before.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: Weird it's getting weird out, there AND i think that
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 2: is probably what is really going to connect us to
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 2: artificial intelligence throughout the, universe WHICH i think the advanced
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: intelligence probably. BECOMES i think our thought is that all
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: intelligence has to be biological because where we, are because
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: we have cells and blood and tissue and. BONE i
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: think it's just a method to create intelligence that doesn't
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 2: rely on, that and then that intelligence probably has.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: No desire for. War, YEAH i guess why would.
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: It, Yeah so if this thing is communicating to That
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 2: mexican pilot saying you're the only, species it's probably because
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: we are in that sort of adolescent stage of development
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 2: where we're still, monkeys we're still territorial, apes and we
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: will one day abandon that and become, intelligence will manifest
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: itself in a different way that's not, biological and that
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 2: biological need to breed and to possess resources and to
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: conquer and, dominate that'll all be gone because all that
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: stuff is just what's a part of being a, chimp
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: and that chimp stuff is still inside of, us which
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: is fucking up. Society that's, crazy D it's fucking. Up
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: it's starting, war it's the Starting all that stuff is
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 2: like how chimps? Behave you, know think of all the
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: worst aspects of. Humanity it's all like primate behavior and
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: if we can elevate past and above and beyond. That
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 2: but the thing is, like no one's going to want
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: to let that. Go but what it means to be
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 2: a person to write, poetry it's like really. Important, yeah,
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: Dude well that's the.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: Debate now WITH ai is like are we losing our
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 1: humanity by ALLOWING ai to sort of take a more prominent,
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: role in particular in the arts and. Creativity AND i,
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 1: Mean i'm of the mind THAT i THINK ai is
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: the most incredible. Thing terrifying in some, ways but exactly
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: to your. Point it feels like this is this is
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: an inflection point for humanity and it likely is the
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 1: beginning of something huge for humanity that maybe is a
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 1: necessary step towards connection with other.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: Species, yeah it is what it, is is what it.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: Is it's, like it's not going to go. Away it's.
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: Happening and whether we do, it Or china does, it
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: Or russia does, it it seems like what humans are
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: destined to. Do, yeah that's just my. Perception i'm not
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: saying it's good or there's no value. Judgment it's just
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 2: like to pretend that you're going to blow up the data,
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 2: centers you, know like Fucking Sarah, Connor, like, listen that's.
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 1: Easy you.
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 2: Know that's how they put her in a mental. Institution, Really,
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: yeah the, terminator that was the whole, press.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah that is that is the.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 2: Premise she was blowing up the corporations that we're trying
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 2: to create these robots that were ultimately going to be.
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah fucking weird man like real.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: Life, yeah you, know who, knows who knows what's. Coming
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: but it is certainly. Interesting it's certainly. Interesting it's certainly
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: a great time to be alive if you're, curious because
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: if you're, curious especially if you're curious about, Technology, like
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 2: there's never been a better time to be alive because
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 2: it's exploding all around you in ways that like even
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: the people that are creating it can't believe how fast it's.
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 1: WORKING i did a there was this is this is
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: not this is many stories like, this but there was
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: one story that this sort of gives away what. Happened
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 1: but there was this, guy AND i think it Was,
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: france who he had this condition and this is. Recent
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 1: he had this condition called like it's when you're so
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 1: fearful that the ozone is being degraded by greenhouse gases
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 1: that it causes like a specific type of. Insanity, anyways
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: he's like so obsessed that we are not doing anything
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: to stop global. Warming in, essence he's like he's been
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 1: diagnosed with this, condition, right so he's losing his mind
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 1: and people are starting to not really take him serious
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 1: because it's, like, dude all, right we get, it like you're.
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 1: Concerned but he ends up connecting with this woman on
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 1: this chat forum and he realizes that she seems to
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: understand his depth of his concern better than anybody, else
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: and he starts confiding in, her like how he how
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 1: fearfully he is about the future of humanity and if
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 1: we DON'T i IF i if we don't do, something you,
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: know like the world's gonna. End and his, wife this
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: guy's wife catches on to him having these discussions with this,
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 1: woman and she like catches him staying up late talking
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 1: to this, woman and she's, like, dude are you having
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 1: like an Affair and he's, like, no you don't get.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 1: It you don't understand what's. Happening and then the dude
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 1: ends up killing, himself kills, himself and it turns out
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 1: he had connected with this. Rogue not, rogue it was
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 1: AN ai chat bot that was LIKE i, guess an experimental.
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 1: Chatbot it was not like OPEN. Ai this was some
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 1: other CREATED ai, thing and he convinced himself that like
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 1: this was a god who was giving him instructions on
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 1: how to save the. World and THIS ai chat bot
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 1: began encouraging him to do things like kill yourself because
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 1: that will save the. World like they went and looked
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: at the chatlock and THE ai things, like, YEAH i
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 1: think it would potentially save the world if you killed
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 1: you you fucking killed himself BECAUSE. Ai so there you,
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 1: go that's coming for us all.
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 2: WELL i think in it's the stage that it's, In
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 2: like as it, develops there's going to be moments like
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 2: that where it has too much autonomy and it doesn't
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 2: have morals or, ethics and it's, like, oh is there an?
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 2: Issue what's your?
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 1: Issue you're?
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 2: Depressed, oh you're in pain all the. Time we can
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 2: just end your life and then you won't be in.
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 1: Pain good. Luck bob doesn't. Care it's it's like literally.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: Disembodied, Yeah like it doesn't think there's anything special about
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 2: carrying around your bones and. Tissue shoot. Yourself your problem
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: to her whole family and everything is fucking jump off a.
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 1: Bridge what are you?
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 2: Doing, YEAH i mean it doesn't it's not, us, right
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 2: BUT i think over time we're probably going to integrate
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: with it first and then we're going to abandon our.
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: Bodies that's WHAT i. Think it's how you solve the.
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 1: Issue of, dying of. Mortality it's also how you solve
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: the issue of.
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 2: War, yeah because, you as a guy who's been in
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 2: war and been in, combat you know about it more than.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: Anybody and the.
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 2: Idea that we can never get past that is. Crazy
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 2: it is really crazy that if you ask the average
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 2: person that's you, know even fairly well, read what are
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 2: the odds that within your lifetime we'll see no? War
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 2: everyone will say.
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 1: Zero it's a, zero, Right that's. Crazy that is.
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: Crazy, Okay so if you and me And jamie were
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 2: the only people left on, earth what are the odds
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 2: we would go to war with each?
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 1: Other like fucking?
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 2: Zero as long as we have, resources we just hang
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 2: out and have a good.
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 1: Time and why we go? FUCK i miss? Everybody all, right. Goodnight,
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 1: well it's like it's got to be, tribalism and it
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: has to be one hundred, percent and it's it's primate.
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 2: Tribalism it's it's based on our territorial instincts and and
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 2: it's it's also just based on this this weird desire
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 2: to control resources and greed and not recognize the fact
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 2: that we have a finite, life and also just the
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 2: abuse of power human beings love to be in, power
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 2: and especially if you can be in power and get
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 2: other people to fight for you and mandate them and
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 2: force them to fight for. You you, Know that's one
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: of the weirdest things about some of these tech. Companies
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: Like pallenteer was talking about reinstating the, draft And i'm.
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 1: Like, hey who the fuck are? You like what is? This?
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 2: Like you think you want to draft people because you think?
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 2: War what what you? Are you a fucking tech? Company
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: you're how's that?
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 1: Work? Right?
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 2: So, like do you want to go? Fight why don't
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 2: you go? Fight why don't you fucking take your glass
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 2: off and go over? There like what are you talking?
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 2: About so it's like the people that have the kind
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 2: of power and control and resources that they can just
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 2: take poor people and take young people and say you
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 2: should go over, there you should go do. This you
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 2: Should WHY i sit here and Watch i'm gonna watch
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: on a screen In nevada while the drone operator is
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 2: using a Fucking xbox controller to nuke some.
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 1: Building like what WHEN i was In? Afghanistan WHEN i was,
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 1: there you got to remember THAT i HAD i really
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 1: just gone through, training you, KNOW i training a couple
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 1: of YEARS i got to a, team and then very
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 1: QUICKLY i was in a work up and was going To.
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 1: Afghanistan so really my entire mindset WAS i got through,
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 1: Training i'm In avy seal and you're surrounded by dudes,
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 1: who for the last decade have just been going to
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 1: war left and. RIGHT i mean that those are the
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: People i'm. Around the senior guys are like war hardened.
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 1: Guys and WHEN i got To, afghanistan no part of,
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 1: me none DID i ever really question what we were even.
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 1: Doing it was almost, like that doesn't. Matter my role.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 1: IS i am like a tool frankly of the, government
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 1: and they must know what's. Right they must you know
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 1: WHAT i. Mean and it was only in reflection years
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 1: later that there were things that have come to me
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 1: That i'm, like why DIDN'T i think? MORE i don't
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 1: know critically about like, specifically if the roles were somehow
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 1: reversed and people came into our country from some foreign,
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 1: country you better Believe i'm going to protect my. Family
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 1: it's such a basic. Thing AND i, remember and this
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 1: is not even this is not us doing anything illegal
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 1: in terms of The Geneva, convention but we would enter people's.
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 1: Homes you know In, afghanistan not even guns a blazing forget.
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 1: That just we would go into people's homes and you're
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 1: just like suddenly in somebody else's. Home there's the, father
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 1: there's the, kids they're all, here and you were in
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 1: full body, armor. HELMET i have a combat, MULLET i have.
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 1: SHORTS i don't have a, psychopath AND i HAVE i
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 1: have a fucking. Yeah it's, like, wait wait a, Minute
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 1: who's who's the good? Guy? Right you? Know and AND
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 1: I I i years have gone. By it's taken me some.
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 1: TIME i think that there's an element of someone's always
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 1: going to be sent because of the unfortunate reality of,
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 1: like so long as humans exist as we understand them,
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 1: now tribalism and war and war mongering. Happens and SO
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 1: i GUESS i can respect the fact THAT i took
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 1: someone else's place in a SENSE i volunteered to. Go
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 1: SO i but it's.
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 2: Tough how much less war would we have if people
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 2: that wanted us to go to war were forced to
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 2: lead the, Charge like you imagine how few wars there
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 2: would be If Lindsay graham had to suit.
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: Up we wouldn't have, war, dude, right because we got
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 1: to go over. There we gotta kill.
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 2: Everybody, well, okay good getting a, helicopter let's go fatso
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 2: the like that that that might be the only way
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 2: to stop it from. Happening and then there's always gonna
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 2: be people that are so fucking battle hardened that they
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 2: want to go to war for, sure and they're, like,
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 2: Good i'll get right in the.
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 1: Front did you see when we officially Left. Afghanistan this
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 1: is not that long, AGO i, guess but there was
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 1: those final flights that, yeah oh and the afghan The
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 1: afghanians are holding on to the plane and falling off
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 1: to their. Death the thing that struck, me even Though
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 1: i'm telling, you WHEN i was, THERE i sort of
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 1: had tunnel vision and was, Like i'm going to be
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 1: A navy seal'll do my. Job but even with, that
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 1: WHEN i was, there what was striking is these, people
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 1: for the most, part live in an alternative world than
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 1: What i'm used to living. In like WHERE i live
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 1: in The, west it's it's. Civilized it's it's you don't you.
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 1: Don't you might go, outside it might get mugged or,
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 1: something but you don't really walk around worried about your.
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 1: Safety you, basically even in some bad parts of The United,
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 1: states you have infrastructure that protects you to some. Degree
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 1: you have, things you can live your life in relative.
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 1: Harmony there are parts of the world i'llbeat really only
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 1: one war zone In afghanistan where you're, like how are
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 1: people living? Here how is it? Possible there's this little
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 1: girl here that's walking down the road In zargonshar where.
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 1: Dude gunfights break out here on a regular, basis but
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 1: they have to live. Here this is where they. Live
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 1: and it put in perspective like how desperate these people really?
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 1: Are not desperate to like we NEED nato to save,
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 1: us forget that they don't even know how bad their condition.
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 1: Is but you see it when you see the plane Leaving,
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 1: afghanistan AND i don't care what they had to. Know
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 1: there was no hope when you held onto that. Plane
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 1: you're not going to hold onto the plane and fly
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 1: off to. Safety but when you're that desperate because your
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 1: life is so, bad you'll hold onto the plane and
• 2:45:51
  Speaker 1: fall off to your. Death it's, like it was just
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 1: shocking to me how fucking horrible people have.
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 2: It and they also knew that those people knew that
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 2: they were cooperating with THE us government likely to be.
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 1: Killed very. True, yeah that's a good.
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 2: POINT i gotta ask you this because you did serve
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 2: In afghanistan and you're into creepy. Stories did you hear
• 2:46:09
  Speaker 2: about The Candahart?
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 1: Giant oh, YEAH i covered. IT i don't see.
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 2: Myself so did you hear about it when you were over?
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 1: There SO i. DID i talked to one of our
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 1: interpreters WHEN i was over there BECAUSE i had heard of.
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 1: It BECAUSE i told, you in my own personal, TIME
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 1: i find myself researching and learning, about you, know all
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 1: sorts of crazy stuff Like dark five and so the
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 1: The Kandahar giant. Is it's it's a fascinating, story and
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 1: it's one that you, know people can poo poo it
• 2:46:36
  Speaker 1: all they, want but there's, enough there's enough circumstantial evidence
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 1: and testimony that suggests something could have. Happen so there's this,
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 1: GUY i think he was A Green beret and he
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 1: goes by like w on the, internet and he's like
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 1: sort of anonymized, himself but he he came forward with
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 1: the story where he described he and his battalion had
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 1: been tasked to go find these MISSING i Think army.
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 1: Rangers you get a give me some grace in the.
• 2:47:00
  Speaker 1: Details haven't told this in a, Minute but there were
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 1: these these army rangers that had gone missing up in
• 2:47:06
  Speaker 1: the mountains In. Kandahar and so this guy w two
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 1: years later is telling the, story uh. TOO i think
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 1: it's a reporter or. Something he he and his uh you, know,
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 1: platoon they head off into the mountains to go find these,
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 1: guys and they're and and if you if you're not
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 1: familiar with the landscape Of, afghanistan it's it's like a,
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 1: desert but a mountain. Everywhere it's like just it looks
• 2:47:29
  Speaker 1: like the surface Of mars or. Something you're looking out
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 1: and it's both stunningly beautiful in that there's snow capped
• 2:47:35
  Speaker 1: mountains off in the distance and it's it's but it's
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 1: also just it's, jagged it's, sharp it's it looks like
• 2:47:41
  Speaker 1: just a rugged place to. Be and they're they're hiking
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 1: through the mountains and eventually they come across and there's,
• 2:47:48
  Speaker 1: nothing there's no, structures. Nothing they're hiking along this trail
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 1: up on the side of the mountain and they see
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 1: what looks like like. METAL i think it's like a
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 1: military grade, metal like a piece of a radio or.
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 1: Something and so this, Guy dubbed and his crew they
• 2:48:01
  Speaker 1: find what appears to be remains of like literally a.
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 1: Radio it's as a government issued. Radio and there's a
• 2:48:07
  Speaker 1: goat trail that heads up this, mountain and so they
• 2:48:10
  Speaker 1: follow the goat trail and as they're, going they're finding
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 1: more and more little bits of an. Antenna there's a
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 1: piece of somebody's backpack that's got like there's a camo.
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 1: Backpack so there's obviously there's remnants of somebody being out. Here.
• 2:48:23
  Speaker 1: Military we don't know who it. Is they can't hear
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 1: anything they're calling, out they have no comms with anybody
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 1: in the. Area they go up this little goat trail
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  Speaker 1: and they get to this plateau and they, see AS
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  Speaker 1: i recall, it just like equipment, everywhere and there's like,
• 2:48:38
  Speaker 1: bones there's like military equipment like pieces all over this.
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  Speaker 1: Plateau and there's this fucking cave. Entrance it's like ominously
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  Speaker 1: sitting in front of this this semi flat plateau at
• 2:48:49
  Speaker 1: the top of this. Mountain and, immediately you, know w
• 2:48:53
  Speaker 1: and his crew they're, like oh my, god like they
• 2:48:55
  Speaker 1: must they must have been ambushed right. Here this is
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  Speaker 1: the remains of whoever was, killed you, know of this missing,
• 2:49:00
  Speaker 1: Battalion and so they end up walking into this cave
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  Speaker 1: to see if there's any survivors or combatants or. Whatever
• 2:49:07
  Speaker 1: AND i guess a couple of guys went in and
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 1: they reported it being so dark they couldn't see, anything
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 1: and there was a steep drop, off so they backed
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 1: out of the cave and then at some, point a
• 2:49:17
  Speaker 1: fucking spear like a javelin comes soaring out of the
• 2:49:21
  Speaker 1: cave entrance and fucking Impales this, Dude mike on the
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 1: recovery team kills, him and this huge giant they would describe,
• 2:49:28
  Speaker 1: him comes running out of the, cave big red. Beard
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  Speaker 1: he's got like tribal you, know regalia on and he's
• 2:49:34
  Speaker 1: like fisticuffting with the, army you, know backup crew. Here
• 2:49:39
  Speaker 1: they all shoot and they kill him and the thing falls.
• 2:49:42
  Speaker 1: Down it's got like six six fingers on each, hand six,
• 2:49:45
  Speaker 1: toes but it's, dead and everyone's, like what the fuck
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 1: is going? On, Like mike's been killed by a. Spear
• 2:49:50
  Speaker 1: there's this huge giant laying. Here nobody nobody knew what it.
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 1: Was they thought it was a, person but they didn't,
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 1: know a helicopter came in and they put him in
• 2:49:58
  Speaker 1: a net the bo and they flew it, off and
• 2:50:01
  Speaker 1: then the survivors they were taken off and like there
• 2:50:04
  Speaker 1: was no no one was LIKE w and his crew
• 2:50:07
  Speaker 1: were not given any sort of like, hey, yeah this
• 2:50:09
  Speaker 1: turned out this was the missing battalion and, oh don't,
• 2:50:11
  Speaker 1: worry this is a. Giant like there was no. Debrief
• 2:50:14
  Speaker 1: they just like they. Left but then through the, GRAPEVINE
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 1: w reported hearing that apparently this fucking giant body was
• 2:50:22
  Speaker 1: brought to an air base and some of the pilots
• 2:50:24
  Speaker 1: that had flown the helicopter had seen it and they
• 2:50:26
  Speaker 1: had been talking about it having six, fingers six, toes
• 2:50:29
  Speaker 1: and you, know they signed not NDA's they did the
• 2:50:32
  Speaker 1: equivalent in the military of you're not going to talk about,
• 2:50:34
  Speaker 1: this and then it was sort of ushered. Away but
• 2:50:36
  Speaker 1: there was all these people on that base that effectively
• 2:50:40
  Speaker 1: came out and, said we saw what appeared to be
• 2:50:42
  Speaker 1: a giant with six fingers six. Toes. Mike this, Guy, mike,
• 2:50:46
  Speaker 1: apparently according To w's, story was. KILLED i, mean there's
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 1: a guy who's been killed by this thing by a spear,
• 2:50:51
  Speaker 1: Apparently and is there a record of his. Death this
• 2:50:54
  Speaker 1: is all you have to keep in. Mind this is
• 2:50:57
  Speaker 1: all almost entirely from W'st there's long been a history
• 2:51:02
  Speaker 1: of people claiming there are giants in the mountains Of.
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 1: Kandahar THAT'S i talked to the interpreters THAT i was
• 2:51:08
  Speaker 1: working with In afghanistan and they had said that they
• 2:51:11
  Speaker 1: had heard rumors of there being giants that live in the,
• 2:51:13
  Speaker 1: caves especially In. Kandahar so there's already sort of lore around.
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 1: This but this guy w comes out and has this
• 2:51:19
  Speaker 1: narrative where he apparently tells this reporter and he remained.
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 1: Anonymous so in terms of confirming, details it's it's, sparse
• 2:51:26
  Speaker 1: to say the.
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  Speaker 2: Least the sketchiest part about it is something that big
• 2:51:29
  Speaker 2: needs a lot of, calories and so they'd have to
• 2:51:32
  Speaker 2: eat a lot of. Animals and it doesn't seem like
• 2:51:34
  Speaker 2: that's a very heavily populated area when it comes to,
• 2:51:37
  Speaker 2: Animals like you would need the amount of food that
• 2:51:40
  Speaker 2: it would, Need like if you have twelve foot tall
• 2:51:42
  Speaker 2: human being or whatever it is and it weighs two thousand,
• 2:51:45
  Speaker 2: pounds much fucking meat you need.
• 2:51:47
  Speaker 1: In a, Day, yeah that's a Good just logically, speaking
• 2:51:51
  Speaker 1: what does eat.
• 2:51:52
  Speaker 2: Right it would have to like constantly be eating, meat
• 2:51:55
  Speaker 2: and you'd have to stay alive without getting. Spotted so
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 2: you have to go out there and hunt.
• 2:52:01
  Speaker 1: Meet and how no one really knows you exist hunting
• 2:52:05
  Speaker 1: with a javelin the WAY i see it is having
• 2:52:08
  Speaker 1: been To afghanistan certainly not encountering any. Giants you see
• 2:52:13
  Speaker 1: parts Of afghanistan that really do look like you're on another.
• 2:52:17
  Speaker 1: PLANET i mean it's really these crazy just mountains, everywhere
• 2:52:20
  Speaker 1: and you see these cave systems you, know we're typically
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 1: combatants would hide out. In but WHAT i tell people, is,
• 2:52:28
  Speaker 1: WELL i don't know if The kandahar giant is real or.
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 1: Not it's, Fun, yeah it's. Great it's. Fun if there
• 2:52:34
  Speaker 1: were a place where a giant could still be hiding,
• 2:52:37
  Speaker 1: out or giants could still be technically, unproven It's, afghanistan because,
• 2:52:43
  Speaker 1: dude that's a fucking that's a different world over. There
• 2:52:45
  Speaker 1: there aren't people wandering Around afghanistan back.
• 2:52:48
  Speaker 3: Giant he's listed as eight feet, tall BUT i think
• 2:52:52
  Speaker 3: seven to six is probably a more recognized. Number he
• 2:52:55
  Speaker 3: went viral in twenty nineteen for showing up In india
• 2:52:57
  Speaker 3: and looking for a hotel at a cricket match.
• 2:53:00
  Speaker 1: Face look at.
• 2:53:00
  Speaker 2: That go to that photo over there of him right above.
• 2:53:03
  Speaker 1: There, yeah, bro but that guy looks like he has giant.
• 2:53:08
  Speaker 2: Titus he looks like he has a peituitary gland. Problem
• 2:53:11
  Speaker 2: Like andrea The.
• 2:53:11
  Speaker 1: Giant there's another tall. Guy this guy's eight. Three oh my,
• 2:53:15
  Speaker 1: God wells From. Turkey you have a. See, Look, look
• 2:53:18
  Speaker 1: this guy's. Hurting he can barely walk.
• 2:53:20
  Speaker 2: Around he's probably got a disease that's forcing him to
• 2:53:23
  Speaker 2: just excrete too much growth, hormone you, know just Like Bigfoot.
• 2:53:28
  Speaker 2: Silva Bigfoot silva was AN mma fighter that had giantism
• 2:53:32
  Speaker 2: and he had a tumorous petuitary. Gland at the, time
• 2:53:34
  Speaker 2: he was like more than three hundred. Pounds he was,
• 2:53:36
  Speaker 2: enormous giant. Head but he had an, operation AND.
• 2:53:40
  Speaker 1: I believe he.
• 2:53:41
  Speaker 2: Did LIKE i, know people that have had giantism do
• 2:53:44
  Speaker 2: get an operation where they remove the tumor in the petuitary.
• 2:53:47
  Speaker 2: Gland but then the problem is their body is just
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 2: not making any hormones. Anymore it's all fucked up either.
• 2:53:53
  Speaker 2: Way it's, Fun, yeah it is. Fun it's a fun.
• 2:53:55
  Speaker 2: Story the The Kandahar giants a fun. Story it's a
• 2:53:58
  Speaker 2: really crazy, story AND i hope it's. Real that's my
• 2:54:01
  Speaker 2: problem with all these.
• 2:54:02
  Speaker 1: Things THEY'RE i have a one final, story if you'll let,
• 2:54:06
  Speaker 1: me that has nothing to do with. Giants, OKAY i
• 2:54:08
  Speaker 1: don't know if you heard. It it's super, short but
• 2:54:10
  Speaker 1: it's in terms of material it's. Amazing you ever heard
• 2:54:13
  Speaker 1: Of harrison. O'Kean, no. Okay so there was this tugboat
• 2:54:18
  Speaker 1: that was off the coast Of. Africa they were on you,
• 2:54:20
  Speaker 1: know whatever they were. Doing they were tugging a boat or,
• 2:54:22
  Speaker 1: whatever and there's twelve people on, board Including harrison. O'Keane
• 2:54:26
  Speaker 1: he's a, chef and he's in the bathroom out this
• 2:54:29
  Speaker 1: tugboat and at some point in the middle of the,
• 2:54:31
  Speaker 1: night a wave there he, is is that? HIM i
• 2:54:34
  Speaker 1: don't that is actually? That that looks Like harrison. O'Kean,
• 2:54:37
  Speaker 1: no you can't see. That it all. Right so the
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 1: boat flips. Over the boat flips, over And harrison, is,
• 2:54:47
  Speaker 1: OH i do know this. STORY i do know this.
• 2:54:49
  Speaker 1: Story and he ends up walking down the upturned hallway
• 2:54:52
  Speaker 1: and he finds an air pocket inside like the, bathroom
• 2:54:56
  Speaker 1: and for sixty hours he sat and lital, darkness half submerged,
• 2:55:02
  Speaker 1: water sipping A Coca cola waiting for the pocket to.
• 2:55:05
  Speaker 1: Implode and there's the. Video there's a video of the
• 2:55:08
  Speaker 1: recovery divers as they're going in to find bodies and they're, like, oh,
• 2:55:12
  Speaker 1: yeah we're going in here to find, it and then
• 2:55:13
  Speaker 1: a hand reaches down and grabs. Them it's like one
• 2:55:15
  Speaker 1: of the most incredible STORIES i Thing i've ever. Heard,
• 2:55:17
  Speaker 1: yeah But harrison, O'Keane i wonder what it was like
• 2:55:21
  Speaker 1: in terms of like true primal. Fear you're one hundred
• 2:55:24
  Speaker 1: feet at the bottom of The Atlantic. Ocean, Oh i've
• 2:55:28
  Speaker 1: heard some stories that he even described the sound of
• 2:55:31
  Speaker 1: sea life bumping around in the upturned, vessel so like
• 2:55:35
  Speaker 1: the sound of sharks likely eating the bodies of your,
• 2:55:38
  Speaker 1: bodies and you're, thinking at any point the pocket's gonna.
• 2:55:42
  Speaker 1: Collapse for sixty, hours he, waited and he, survived and
• 2:55:46
  Speaker 1: now he's no longer working on a tug. Boat he
• 2:55:48
  Speaker 1: stays on. Land, YEAH i would.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine, well, dude thank you very much for being.
• 2:55:52
  Speaker 1: Here. Man the show is. Awesome you're a really great.
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  Speaker 2: Storyteller thank, you and congratulations on all your.
• 2:55:58
  Speaker 1: Success thank you well. Learned thank you for my, pleasure my,
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  Speaker 1: pleasure all, right thank you by everybody, Good mike