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Redefining Possible; The APhA 2026 Annual Conference Post Show | Part Three · Pharmacy Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: We'd like to thank our sponsors. You're Aal Pharma and
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Speaker 1: this episode.
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Speaker 2: You are listening to the global network of podcasters dedicated
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Speaker 2: to the pharmacy profession. Welcome to the Pharmacy Podcast Network.
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Speaker 1: Pharmacists from across the nation have come together to redefine
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Speaker 1: the possibilities of what pharmacists can do together. The American
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Speaker 1: Pharmacist Association's twenty twenty six Annual Conference was hosted in
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, California, where pharmacy, advocacy and advancing technologies brought
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Speaker 1: together key industry leaders. The Pharmacy Podcast Network brings you
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Speaker 1: into the conversation with this special three part series of
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Speaker 1: the APHA Annual Conference post out.
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Speaker 3: What an amazing event we had at the APHA twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty six in Los Angeles. I want to give a
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Speaker 3: shout out to the team at your Raw Pharma for
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Speaker 3: once again having us build our podcast press studio coverage
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Speaker 3: right inside your booth. Steven Beckman, thank you so much
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Speaker 3: for having us again.
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Speaker 4: Oh it's a pleasure. Todd what you guys have done
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Speaker 4: with Pharmacy Podcast Network, It's truly impressive. And I say
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Speaker 4: that first and foremost not from the business side, but
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Speaker 4: from the importance of delivering the content you're now delivering
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Speaker 4: into the pharmacy channel. And there's no doubt that PPN
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Speaker 4: has now created a tool, a channel, a rich level
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Speaker 4: of dialogue that is helping the pharmacists and pharmacy sees
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Speaker 4: and people influencing pharmacy that they didn't have just a
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Speaker 4: couple of years ago. So kudos to you and what
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Speaker 4: you've done and what you've built, and we are humbly
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Speaker 4: grateful to be a part of it, because we do
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Speaker 4: believe that the pharmacy channel has always been underserved, is
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Speaker 4: a channel that is going to see some unique advancements
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Speaker 4: and renaissance, if you will, over the next couple of years,
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Speaker 4: given all the dynamics and the delivery of healthcare. And
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Speaker 4: we believe as a company that we need to be
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Speaker 4: a part of that first and foremost by listening. Second
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Speaker 4: by participating, meaning that we're actively involved to dialogue with
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Speaker 4: all the different dynamics and different elements within pharmacy so
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Speaker 4: that then we can take that back and put that insight,
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Speaker 4: that knowledge that relationships to work internally to determine what's
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Speaker 4: the best way to support our products so that they
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Speaker 4: best support the patients that are in need for those
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Speaker 4: particular products that we market.
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Speaker 3: Booth six oh one here at the event has been
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Speaker 3: quite busy. There's some connection back to Ural Pharma again.
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Speaker 3: Eurral was our premium, I don't know what we called
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Speaker 3: ourselves platinum sponsor for the Pharmacy fifty, and we had
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Speaker 3: six of the Pharmacy fifty show up for interviews here
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Speaker 3: in the Eurral booth and it was kind of special
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Speaker 3: to extend what they did. You know those programs called
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Speaker 3: where are they Now? Yeah, Well, every single one of
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Speaker 3: the people that showed up are not stopping. They have
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Speaker 3: moved forward in some of their campaigns. They have built
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Speaker 3: the largest union for pharmacy technicians. They have built brands
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Speaker 3: for themselves where now products are coming to them as
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Speaker 3: pharmacistans saying we know that the public trust you as
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Speaker 3: well as we know you have an audience of doctor
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Speaker 3: Grant Harding, who who won the Pharmacy fifty. He's got
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Speaker 3: a million followers on TikTok now a million. Yeah, So
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Speaker 3: it's been fun being here. Apha has a buzz about it.
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Speaker 3: The redefining possible was our was our theme for twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty six. I see a consistency from Urreyl Pharmacy to
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Speaker 3: be part of events like this where you you keep
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Speaker 3: saying about how important pharmacist are and how underutilized they are,
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Speaker 3: and you're showing up.
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Speaker 5: You're not just saying it.
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Speaker 3: You're not just on a podcast saying you know something too,
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Speaker 3: you know a bunch of listeners. You're actually showing up
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Speaker 3: at these events. Your team is he is here supporting us,
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Speaker 3: and that's important to be a part of the pharmacy ecosystem.
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Speaker 4: Well, you got to do things differently, Yeah, do. You
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Speaker 4: got to do things differently. You got to walk to talk.
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Speaker 4: And I do believe that we're going to at least
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Speaker 4: all we are going to all the major pharmacy conferences
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Speaker 4: and meetings. We've done it for the last couple of years.
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Speaker 4: We're doing it this year, and we'll continue to do
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Speaker 4: so as long as I'm here, because I have not
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Speaker 4: found an argument to challenge our critical thinking around supporting pharmacies.
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Speaker 4: So a p h A is an important meeting. It's
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Speaker 4: great to be able to gain provide platform for you
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Speaker 4: in a space for you, and it helps us as
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Speaker 4: and it helps you. But most importantly to what you said,
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Speaker 4: it is now creating this platform that is giving other
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Speaker 4: platforms or individuals to have the visibility. And again they
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Speaker 4: might or might not have done that without PPM, but
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Speaker 4: they're definitely doing because of PPM. So the fact that
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Speaker 4: you are you're kind of like the hulp of the wheel.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Here it truly are everyone that you're handhancing and highlighting
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Speaker 4: and complementing what they're doing, and that's accelerating their ability
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Speaker 4: to create a and impressive, impactful, and positive platform. It's
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Speaker 4: just another spoke in the wheel of PPM.
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Speaker 3: I enjoy using something that's been built in order to
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Speaker 3: empower a pharmacist or an organization to connect with other people.
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Speaker 3: That's what this is about. That's why my business is
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Speaker 3: not called the Pharmacy Podcast. It's called the Pharmacy Podcast.
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Speaker 3: The word that's most important to me is network. And
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Speaker 3: it's a true network of you've networked with one, two, three, four,
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Speaker 3: like four of our hosts on purpose because there's been
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Speaker 3: subjects that they're subject matter experts that tie back to
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Speaker 3: you and tie back to your row. It ties back
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Speaker 3: to your patients, it ties back to sharing a sense
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Speaker 3: of responsibility that there are different pieces of the puzzle
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Speaker 3: for true ecosystem of pharmacy care and you're part of this,
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Speaker 3: of your rows, part of this, I'm part of this.
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Speaker 5: Where the communications channel. So that's what this is all about.
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Speaker 6: It.
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Speaker 3: This is not about you know, building a moat around
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Speaker 3: just your organization. Is about sharing and interconnecting and I
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Speaker 3: love it. So what's our what's next up that we're
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Speaker 3: going to be at. I know we go to n
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Speaker 3: A CDs Totals to expo. I know we go to
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Speaker 3: the NCPA that dedicates to our long term I mean,
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, our independent pharmacies. What's next up that you
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Speaker 3: can remember that?
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Speaker 4: Well? I think those are the big ones. We're also
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Speaker 4: looking very closely now to get into some of the
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Speaker 4: sub channels with in pharmacy in terms of long term care.
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Speaker 4: And as some of those meetings start to develop a
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Speaker 4: greater presence and so forth, we're going to continue to
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Speaker 4: work with you on that summer program that we want
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Speaker 4: to highlight independent pharmacy exactly kind of a good neighbor
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Speaker 4: type platform. We really do want to bring awareness. You
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Speaker 4: look at when you bring everybody up, everybody wins, and
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Speaker 4: we need to bring up pharmacy. We got to make
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Speaker 4: pharmacy uh more, let's call spade of spay. We've got
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Speaker 4: to make pharmacy more profitable for those independent pharmacists so
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Speaker 4: that they can continue to keep their doors open and
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Speaker 4: continue to serve the population at the high degree that
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Speaker 4: they do with the patients. We need to be able
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Speaker 4: to give them some sense of stability in that. And
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Speaker 4: you know, at the end of the day, the world
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Speaker 4: works that way. If they if they can't make enough
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Speaker 4: money to cover their costs, it's pretty hard to keep
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Speaker 4: your doors open exactly. And there's a lot of challenges there.
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Speaker 4: So we want to highlight the good things and the
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Speaker 4: and the inspirational things and the great ideas as you said,
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Speaker 4: that are coming forth. We also want to make sure
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Speaker 4: that we're tackling some of those challenges and how we
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Speaker 4: try to fix it, and we're all a part of it.
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Speaker 4: We can't get away with it, you know. You know,
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Speaker 4: drug manufacturers have to continue to try to find a
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Speaker 4: way to make drugs as accessible as possible into the system.
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Speaker 4: The system has to make them more accessible both on
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Speaker 4: cost and on volume or you know, the availability, and
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Speaker 4: we got to make sure that that translates down to
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Speaker 4: the patient and to the pharmacce. But you know, we
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Speaker 4: always focus on the cost of the patient. But what
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Speaker 4: we we have lost in that translation a little bit
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Speaker 4: is the cost or the cost of doing business to
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Speaker 4: the pharmacist in order to do that. And sometimes I
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Speaker 4: think historically the manufacturers get beat up a little bit
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Speaker 4: harder because of the pricing, and there is pricing differences
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Speaker 4: around the world, fair market value and things come up
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Speaker 4: a lot, and then they have come up a lot
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Speaker 4: with President Trump and all the tariffs that have been
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Speaker 4: you know, been talked about over the last couple of years,
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Speaker 4: and some of the some of that has been implemented.
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Speaker 4: But what that really means is is still everything's an
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Speaker 4: apple to an orange.
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Speaker 7: Right.
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Speaker 4: The way Europe works is different than the US. So
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Speaker 4: the question is not so much to say, hey, let's
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Speaker 4: just make prices equal. Let's take a closer look at
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Speaker 4: the system and how the system works, particularly in the US.
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Speaker 4: And if we do that, we know that there's things
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Speaker 4: that we can make better. And if we do that,
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Speaker 4: then I'll translate that value will translate through the system,
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Speaker 4: through the value chain all the way from the provider
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Speaker 4: and manufacture down a patient.
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Speaker 3: Steven Beckman, CEO of your Royal Pharma doing things differently.
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Speaker 5: This has been wonderful.
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Speaker 3: I want to give a shout out to our listeners,
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Speaker 3: thank you for listening to this multi part coverage of
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Speaker 3: the APHA twenty twenty six. A shout out to everybody
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Speaker 3: at APHA that helped us get here. Thank you so
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Speaker 3: much for the press badge. Enabling us to be a
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Speaker 3: free press and an independent press organization to cover events
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Speaker 3: really shows the commitment to the profession and transparency and
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Speaker 3: strength and sharing.
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Speaker 5: And that's why I always come to the APHA.
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Speaker 4: Great great organization, great event, and I guess we can
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Speaker 4: finish on happy Easter at all.
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Speaker 5: All right, talk to us in.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Katie Forbes Pharmacy fifty most influential and influential all
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Speaker 3: through social media. And every time I'm watching you here
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Speaker 3: at the APHA, people were wanting selfies with you.
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Speaker 5: You're like a hero.
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Speaker 8: I'm getting eaten up here you are.
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Speaker 3: I'm so excited to have you in person, been waiting.
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Speaker 3: I feel like I know you already, but see you
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Speaker 3: in person and see you walking around and the energy
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Speaker 3: that you put off.
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Speaker 5: We need more. Katie Forbes in pharmacy really is what
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Speaker 5: we need.
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Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, sorry, I lost my train of thought,
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Speaker 9: but I think I'm more annoying in person.
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Speaker 3: Good what is it? What do you think is happening
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Speaker 3: in our profession that there's an acceptance of the forces
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Speaker 3: of the Shane Jereminskis and the Marie Shaws and the
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Speaker 3: Katie Forbes, and like, what's happening that we're finally getting
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Speaker 3: attention that we need.
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Speaker 8: I'm still kind of new to all of this.
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Speaker 9: I started posting in twenty twenty three. I feel like
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Speaker 9: a lot of the people that are posting are like
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Speaker 9: retail and community pharmacist. So I think the impetus for
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Speaker 9: content creation for pharmacists seems to be just sort of
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Speaker 9: a source for understanding and validation because being a retail
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Speaker 9: pharmacist is rough, it's horrible, it's brutal, and it's only
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Speaker 9: getting worse. So I think people kind of need an
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Speaker 9: outlet to kind of kind of almost prove their worth
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Speaker 9: and kind of show what we do as a profession
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Speaker 9: just because of how undervalued and disrespected we are on
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Speaker 9: the daily day, on a daily basis. So I think
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Speaker 9: I've kind of got the energy of like a community pharmacist,
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Speaker 9: I'm like extroverted yet yeah yet at that And now
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Speaker 9: that I'm kind of in the hospital setting, I kind
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Speaker 9: of see why a lot of the content creators are
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Speaker 9: really only like community pharmacists. So now I kind of
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Speaker 9: have like that energy and I'm putting it towards this
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Speaker 9: different kind of space, and I'm learning pretty quickly, I think,
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Speaker 9: and then I'm able to kind of like show other
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Speaker 9: pharmacists like, Hey, you don't have to do residency to
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Speaker 9: go work in the hospital and be respected and have
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Speaker 9: like this nice like almost push job is nice position,
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Speaker 9: and it's it's like I could talk about my job
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Speaker 9: for like a long time. I really really love the hospital,
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Speaker 9: but I wish there were more hospital pharmacists on TikTok,
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Speaker 9: But I feel like the vibe for them is usually
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Speaker 9: more like introverted and more of like reserved. And I
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Speaker 9: will say the social media policy in the hospital is
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Speaker 9: a lot more strict. Yes, when you're talking about like
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Speaker 9: patient cases, it's easier to identify those patients just because
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Speaker 9: of the complexity of care that you're providing and all
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Speaker 9: the information that you know about the patient. It's just
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Speaker 9: too much. So I kind of don't I don't really
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Speaker 9: advertise that on I TikTok. I don't talk about patient
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Speaker 9: cases other than like maybe like a fake patient case
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Speaker 9: or something like that. I kind of just round about
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Speaker 9: way to talk about intervention.
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Speaker 3: So so if I would have backed you up, I
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Speaker 3: take you back in time ten years ago, you would
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Speaker 3: have been fired like six or seven times already.
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Speaker 5: But today that's not the case.
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Speaker 3: I mean, and you you, you are now part of
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Speaker 3: a generation that you were start to accept some of
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Speaker 3: our providers that are bringing things to the front, that
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Speaker 3: are educating the consumer of hey that I'm calling bost
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Speaker 3: on this, here's what's really happening. And people want that
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Speaker 3: because now that your followers, by the way, they'll tag
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Speaker 3: you on all kinds of stuff that they want you
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Speaker 3: to litmus tests, they want you to test it, they
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Speaker 3: want you to kind of give back, and then they
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Speaker 3: trust what you're saying. That's the end, that's the whole
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Speaker 3: basis of a pharmacist.
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Speaker 8: Is they trust my judgment a lot.
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Speaker 9: I think my judgment is very sharp, both clinically and
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Speaker 9: just because I'm on the spectrum. I don't know if
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Speaker 9: you knew that I talk about it sometimes on my page,
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Speaker 9: but I don't really hold anything back. I'm kind of
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Speaker 9: just authentic and who I am. I say what I'm thinking.
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Speaker 9: I do come back a little bit because I want
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Speaker 9: to keep my new job. But yeah, I'm very very
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Speaker 9: vocal about CBS and just everything.
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Speaker 8: That's everything.
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Speaker 9: You can go to my page and look at it,
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Speaker 9: because it's just it's evil. It's evil in the carrate
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Speaker 9: form and they're getting a way too much and they're
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Speaker 9: destroying lives the people that work, they're the people that
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Speaker 9: fill their medication there.
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Speaker 8: It's just it's horrible what they're doing. And it is
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Speaker 8: it is.
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Speaker 9: It is a little bit of a liability for me
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Speaker 9: to talk about it even today, note even ten years ago,
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Speaker 9: because like, who what's to hire somebody that talks to
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Speaker 9: the previous employer. It's it's it's hard, it's hard to
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Speaker 9: talk about I've kind of stopped talking about it as
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Speaker 9: much as I have just because I don't want like
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Speaker 9: so much negativity in my life.
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Speaker 8: I want to kind of just move on, and.
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Speaker 9: But I'll still like try to advocate and do maybe
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Speaker 9: more legislative route stuff in the future, but I think
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Speaker 9: I just want to focus on the good that I'm
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Speaker 9: providing and everything.
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Speaker 8: At my current position.
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Speaker 3: I feel bad for pharmacists who are passionate about being pharmacists,
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Speaker 3: who enjoy their position with organizations that are now considered
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Speaker 3: the bane of healthcare because of their business practices. And
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Speaker 3: I can see a separation like I see it when
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Speaker 3: I think of health and I see of ETNA, their
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Speaker 3: parent company, and the more of the evil side of it,
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Speaker 3: which is all about the revenue and all about metrics
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Speaker 3: in order to make more revenue, and all about churn
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Speaker 3: and burn and fast food pharmacy and flip the burgers.
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Speaker 3: Flip the burgers, flip the burgers. That's so frustrating because
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Speaker 3: that's not what pharmacists want, that's not what technicians want, wants,
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Speaker 3: nobody wants.
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Speaker 9: It other than these businessmen running healthcare companies.
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Speaker 5: Correct exactly.
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Speaker 3: So now with PBM reform finally having the teeth that
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Speaker 3: it does, Buddy Carter was supposed to be here representative,
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Speaker 3: he's the state representative of Georgia. He's actually running for
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Speaker 3: Senate now. He was supposed to be here. He actually
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Speaker 3: couldn't be here because he's supposed to be doing something
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Speaker 3: with a new vote that's coming out. But regardless, we
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Speaker 3: need more pharmacists in politics than understand what's happening behind
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Speaker 3: the scenes, and I see a future for you in politics.
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Speaker 3: I would say, please wait for you know, twenty years
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Speaker 3: or so so that we can get more Katie Forbes
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Speaker 3: out to the patient. But with your knowledge of everything
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Speaker 3: that you've seen, it's been a fire hose of knowledge
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Speaker 3: that you've soaked up that now you understand the system,
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Speaker 3: do you understand.
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Speaker 5: Why it's evil?
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Speaker 3: Like we can say, ah, you know, we can't stand
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Speaker 3: CBS Health, But you give your listeners on TikTok and Instagram.
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Speaker 3: You give them the information of what it is that
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Speaker 3: you don't like, how.
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Speaker 5: It affects, how it affects, and.
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Speaker 8: Why they do it.
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Speaker 9: Like it's It's kind of just how my brain works.
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Speaker 9: I always been really curious, and I'm kind of like
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Speaker 9: a ground up like conceptual like thinker, Like I need
17:39
Speaker 9: to understand things from the ground up. That's why I
17:41
Speaker 9: talk a lot about medicinal chemistry and show a lot
17:44
Speaker 9: of my like notes, because that's kind of how I
17:46
Speaker 9: build concepts, because you can't just like sloppily memorize things.
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Speaker 8: So the same thing.
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Speaker 9: I think is cross applied to like working conditions and
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Speaker 9: things like that and like, well where did this start?
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Speaker 9: Like why is this happening? How can we change? It's
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Speaker 9: very very hard to change. It's it's very hard to change.
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Speaker 9: A lot of people still work there. People that leave
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Speaker 9: are burnt out. They don't want to do anything with it.
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Speaker 9: Not everyone has a platform, and then a lot of
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Speaker 9: people leave and they're just like, it's not my monkey
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Speaker 9: up my circus anymore.
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Speaker 8: I don't work there anymore. It's just it's so much.
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Speaker 9: It's like I was also thinking about that Tennessee bill
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Speaker 9: when you're talking about PBM reform. CBS squashed Louisiana Bill's
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Speaker 9: just fucking dismithering squashed it their vertical integration bill. And
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Speaker 9: they're doing the same thing with Tennessee, and the Attorney
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Speaker 9: General is going after them again and finding them for
18:34
Speaker 9: this and that, and they're just doing the same thing
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Speaker 9: over and over.
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Speaker 8: It's crazy. You can't use I mean you can't, like
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Speaker 8: you can't.
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Speaker 9: You should not be using patient's phone numbers to lobby
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Speaker 9: to push to push that and then fearmonger and say you're.
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Speaker 8: Gonna your pharmacy's gonna close down and you're gonna lose
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Speaker 8: these jobs, and getting like if TBS hates it. It's
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Speaker 8: probably a good thing.
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Speaker 3: A couple of actresses that don't know don't know anything,
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Speaker 3: and then they're just being paid to say this.
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Speaker 9: No yeah they oh, those content creators a getting off
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Speaker 9: with thirteen thousand dollars yep, to like just lie about
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Speaker 9: this mail and fear monger and have people I don't
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Speaker 9: know like, I hope Tennessee is going to pass it.
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Speaker 9: I think I haven't. I think I don't know. Did
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Speaker 9: to go to Senate like a day or two ago
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Speaker 9: or something. It's I don't know if there is a
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Speaker 9: vertical integration bill or law like this, because it seems
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Speaker 9: to be the first to my knowledge.
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Speaker 3: If you go read the definition of something called Stark
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Speaker 3: law and you apply it to ETNA owning pharmacies under
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Speaker 3: CVS Health, it's against Stark law. So I have no
19:37
Speaker 3: idea how it's even come to this point that you
19:40
Speaker 3: can be an insurance provider, you can be the pharmacy,
19:43
Speaker 3: and you can have things in place that force your
19:46
Speaker 3: patients to use your pharmacy and then pay your pharmacies
19:50
Speaker 3: differently than you do a community or even your competitors.
19:54
Speaker 9: It sounds skeazy, but it's likely legal through some loopholes.
19:58
Speaker 9: I thought Stark's law was hospital systems can't push you
20:01
Speaker 9: to a pharmacy. I thought that's how it was.
20:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought, I think stark law in general means
20:06
Speaker 3: you can't be a provider and then say to use something. Yeah,
20:12
Speaker 3: And I would think that that would be domed over
20:15
Speaker 3: an insurance provider in an outlet.
20:17
Speaker 9: Now I would I mean, if I were guessing, I
20:20
Speaker 9: would say it would be like a clinician, that kind
20:22
Speaker 9: of provider.
20:22
Speaker 8: I don't think.
20:23
Speaker 9: I think insurance companies and PBMs are separate entities. So
20:27
Speaker 9: I think that's probably why they get away with it.
20:29
Speaker 9: So that's why Tennessee's so big. They're pitching a fit
20:32
Speaker 9: on it. Instead of playing like by the rules, they're
20:35
Speaker 9: just going to close all their pharmacies. So if they
20:37
Speaker 9: really cared about their patients, they would make it happen.
20:39
Speaker 9: They would keep their pharmacies open. There's a way to
20:42
Speaker 9: do that. There's a way to abide by this law
20:44
Speaker 9: that hopefully will pass and keep your pharmacies open and
20:47
Speaker 9: your pharmacists in their positions. But I mean, they just
20:50
Speaker 9: don't care about that.
20:51
Speaker 3: But that what that does tell us, Katie, is that
20:54
Speaker 3: they've built their business model on the bent way of
20:58
Speaker 3: doing it. And if they play aid on the same
21:01
Speaker 3: playing field that an Independent or Walgreens or a right Aid,
21:04
Speaker 3: now that right A's actually out of business. If they
21:06
Speaker 3: tried to play on the same playing field, they couldn't
21:09
Speaker 3: make it. And that that kind of shows me what's
21:13
Speaker 3: behind the scenes.
21:13
Speaker 9: Yeah, because they're making money off of people in pain.
21:17
Speaker 8: They're making money off of like screwing you over.
21:20
Speaker 9: Like the way that they're making money is like equal,
21:24
Speaker 9: and yeah, the only way to stop it is through
21:26
Speaker 9: like legislation, right, Like you can make a union to
21:28
Speaker 9: kind of lighten the blow, but it's still very hard
21:31
Speaker 9: to start a union because they have intimidation tactics, retaliation,
21:35
Speaker 9: fear tactics, minute little policies that everybody's violating that they
21:39
Speaker 9: can just get on paper and kick you out for
21:41
Speaker 9: Like there's just it's almost impossible these days, like to
21:45
Speaker 9: have a union at CBS.
21:47
Speaker 3: So, how what is your cadence of social media content?
21:51
Speaker 3: Because you're constantly putting content out? How are you managing
21:55
Speaker 3: your full time position and then you're constantly putting content out?
21:59
Speaker 8: I'm not working full time CVS.
22:03
Speaker 9: I left basically in like the end of February March
22:08
Speaker 9: of last year, and my I wanted to stay. I
22:11
Speaker 9: wanted to stay part time at CVS, like maybe a
22:14
Speaker 9: few days a week or one day a week, because
22:16
Speaker 9: I couldn't let my team go and I couldn't let
22:18
Speaker 9: my patients go. I was there for three years. I
22:20
Speaker 9: built a community. There's right next to my house. Like
22:23
Speaker 9: patients would come like for me. They would come to
22:25
Speaker 9: the pharmacy looking for me, ask for the thick pharmacies.
22:27
Speaker 9: I know that's right, and then like they trusted me
22:31
Speaker 9: like I had, like I had a lot of dialsis
22:33
Speaker 9: patients that would come in and ask me about their
22:34
Speaker 9: meds because like those are the ones that I were catching,
22:37
Speaker 9: like wrong doses, over the counter stuff.
22:38
Speaker 8: So like I didn't want to leave my patients serving
22:40
Speaker 8: me food, like I had a VIP club there I'm near.
22:43
Speaker 9: And then like my team, yeah, like we all struggled together,
22:47
Speaker 9: like I am.
22:49
Speaker 8: I like I'm a lover, my little heart. I can't.
22:52
Speaker 8: I can't. I can't leave my team.
22:53
Speaker 9: And I started at this hospital system and I applied
22:57
Speaker 9: for a pr N.
22:58
Speaker 8: Position and as needed position.
23:00
Speaker 9: And like a week or two after I left CBS
23:02
Speaker 9: my body just stopped working. I kind of just collapsed,
23:05
Speaker 9: like metal breakdown, like panic attacks non stop, nightmares, non stop.
23:09
Speaker 8: And it lasted until November.
23:10
Speaker 9: CBS fired me in April because they said the hospital
23:14
Speaker 9: was a conflict of interest, so they're pulling out and
23:17
Speaker 9: they own ETNA, and the Hospitalstence doesn't use Etna.
23:19
Speaker 8: So they dropped me. They threw me away because I
23:22
Speaker 8: was trying to start a union. I think I was.
23:24
Speaker 9: A squeaky wheel. I didn't get any grease there. So
23:28
Speaker 9: I've been working two days a week at the hospital
23:31
Speaker 9: because I I just can't. I'm just I was so
23:34
Speaker 9: scared to go to work because of just like I
23:36
Speaker 9: was scared to go to work every day like at CBS,
23:38
Speaker 9: but it felt different because I was running on adrenaline.
23:41
Speaker 9: So when that wall came down and all my adrenaline
23:43
Speaker 9: just left, I just couldn't. I couldn't handle more than
23:45
Speaker 9: a couple days a week. And I was scared of
23:47
Speaker 9: my boss, scared of everything, just terrified to go to work.
23:50
Speaker 9: And I couldn't think and I couldn't focus because I
23:52
Speaker 9: was just so scared. And up until like maybe a
23:55
Speaker 9: couple of months ago, I've started to like kind of
23:57
Speaker 9: feel safe at work, and it's like my team is amazing,
24:00
Speaker 9: my boss is amazing, My like community that I'm building
24:04
Speaker 9: there is just amazingly supportive, and it's just like a
24:06
Speaker 9: complete one to eighty from what I'm like used to,
24:09
Speaker 9: like having that appreciation, like my boss being like, no,
24:11
Speaker 9: I want you to take a thirty minute lunch and
24:14
Speaker 9: just people ask me how I'm doing, and it's just
24:16
Speaker 9: like I can't believe it, like the hospital appreciation pitcheons,
24:20
Speaker 9: and we had an Easter egg hunt last year and
24:22
Speaker 9: we had like so much. We had Valentine's Day gift bags,
24:25
Speaker 9: and it's like you can like call off and you
24:28
Speaker 9: can everyone's switching shifts with people and it's not just
24:32
Speaker 9: like a like a rat race there.
24:33
Speaker 10: Yeah.
24:34
Speaker 9: So I'm hopefully in a month or two gonna bump
24:37
Speaker 9: up to three days a week and then go from there.
24:39
Speaker 9: Hopefully maybe next year in two years, I could do
24:41
Speaker 9: full time. But that's how I've been managing. Like content
24:44
Speaker 9: creation is like I haven't really been working a lot.
24:47
Speaker 9: I think I've learned a lot in relatively quickly for
24:49
Speaker 9: the amount of days that I've been there.
24:50
Speaker 8: I'm gonna get myself a bout of the back.
24:52
Speaker 9: But it was very hard not doing a residency and
24:54
Speaker 9: starting in the hospital and starting like honestly in a collapse, say,
24:58
Speaker 9: it was just it was so home.
25:00
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I.
25:01
Speaker 9: Think I don't want any more humbling experiences. Please, I
25:03
Speaker 9: think that was enough. But yeah, I'm not leaving the hospital.
25:06
Speaker 9: I'm not leaving that at all. It's my team, and
25:09
Speaker 9: hopefully I have like a five to ten year timeline
25:11
Speaker 9: of like I want to work full time eventually for
25:13
Speaker 9: a few years.
25:14
Speaker 8: I want to specialize.
25:15
Speaker 9: Maybe maybe at least pick up ec icued shifts, kind
25:19
Speaker 9: of learn that. I want to do more pain management,
25:21
Speaker 9: to do a pain management focuss. He's the first position
25:24
Speaker 9: in our hospital system that is like pain management focused
25:28
Speaker 9: and that's like a newer BCPs certification as of like
25:31
Speaker 9: a year or so ago.
25:33
Speaker 8: So I want to do more on that.
25:34
Speaker 9: I want to maybe go and dip more into pharmacogenomics.
25:37
Speaker 9: So I have like a few special interests once I
25:39
Speaker 9: kind of like really like hone in my clinical skills there.
25:44
Speaker 9: So I have a lot that I want to do
25:45
Speaker 9: once I have my second wind here.
25:47
Speaker 3: Now your platform continues to grow. You and I are
25:51
Speaker 3: part of a pretty tight community online where the social
25:55
Speaker 3: media you know, influencers are doing things. There was a
25:58
Speaker 3: big controversy about pharmacists taking money from organizations and it
26:03
Speaker 3: becoming less clinical based and less evidence space and more
26:09
Speaker 3: about just an opinion in order to push maybe a
26:12
Speaker 3: product that I think there's a balance between taking money
26:16
Speaker 3: from an organization as long as you're forthright with your followers,
26:19
Speaker 3: and then of course continuing to be evidence based. But
26:24
Speaker 3: as your platform grows, you're going to be given an
26:27
Speaker 3: opportunity to make some money through representation of product services.
26:31
Speaker 5: Maybe. So what is your opinion of that? How do
26:33
Speaker 5: you toe the line.
26:34
Speaker 3: So that you can stay You can stay the you
26:38
Speaker 3: can stay truthful as a pharmacist, but then you can
26:41
Speaker 3: take money too.
26:42
Speaker 9: So I've been offered like a lot of brand deals,
26:46
Speaker 9: like some sufflent stuff, and like, I don't know, like
26:51
Speaker 9: I have done a few brand deals.
26:53
Speaker 8: The one that comes to mind are Compound and GLPS.
26:57
Speaker 9: I do brand deals with companies and products that I
26:59
Speaker 9: believe in. Okay, and I will sit here and tell you, yes,
27:02
Speaker 9: I believe in compounded GLPS. I worked out patient. I
27:05
Speaker 9: saw people not affording their medication. I saw people forking
27:07
Speaker 9: over over a thousand dollars for their zempic.
27:09
Speaker 8: I saw it like with my eyeballs.
27:11
Speaker 9: I saw them going without their medication or sending over
27:15
Speaker 9: half of their income for their medication. So when these
27:18
Speaker 9: compounding pharmacies opened up with the back order, I was like, oh,
27:21
Speaker 9: hell yeah. And then I got an opportunity to brand
27:23
Speaker 9: deal so and to reach out to me, and I
27:25
Speaker 9: was like absolutely, I've been thinking about making videos about
27:26
Speaker 9: this actually, because compounded products.
27:30
Speaker 8: Are like they're like they're legit. They're legit.
27:34
Speaker 9: A lot of farms, some pharmistes don't agree with them
27:36
Speaker 9: because of like what the meningitis out break, But after
27:38
Speaker 9: that that created five O three A five O three
27:40
Speaker 9: B and they are regulated to an extent like five
27:43
Speaker 9: oh three A requires prescriptions from providers. And I think
27:47
Speaker 9: telehealth is really really really picking up. And I do
27:50
Speaker 9: think like those compounded yield piece I think are legit,
27:53
Speaker 9: like they have to follow USP guidelines if they're five
27:56
Speaker 9: oh three A registered. So I'm kind of rambling, but
28:01
Speaker 9: there's just a lot with this with it came off
28:03
Speaker 9: of back order and Eli Lilly andover and now suing
28:05
Speaker 9: all these compounding pharmacies and they're mixing B twelve and
28:08
Speaker 9: they're creating only studies with like, oh, maybe it's impure
28:12
Speaker 9: with B twelve, but that's like methyl combalman, not cianal compliment.
28:15
Speaker 9: There's just so much fear mongering from these drug companies
28:18
Speaker 9: because they're stealing their revenue and they're beating them at
28:20
Speaker 9: their own game. Honestly, they're forcing them to drop the price.
28:24
Speaker 9: So that's why we saw Lily Direct. I don't know
28:26
Speaker 9: if that's still like a thing, but like I do
28:28
Speaker 9: like compounding pharmacies. It's like it's easy for patients. You
28:31
Speaker 9: can sign up for it, you get it right to
28:33
Speaker 9: your door. I know there's a lot of pharmacist saying,
28:35
Speaker 9: but what about like the patients are not getting monitored,
28:37
Speaker 9: they're not seeing their providers. It's not supposed to be
28:39
Speaker 9: like a replacement. You should still probably see your provider.
28:41
Speaker 9: And I'm more so on board with gops with like
28:44
Speaker 9: weight loss, because diabetes is such as complicated disease stay
28:48
Speaker 9: I wouldn't really feel comfortable like being like, oh, if
28:50
Speaker 9: you have diabetes and you need your rezempic, get it
28:52
Speaker 9: through here unless you're being like monitored by your undercrinologists.
28:55
Speaker 8: Because like you have like those.
28:56
Speaker 9: Like retinopathy, like neuropathy and kidney issues and stuff like that.
29:03
Speaker 9: But yeah, so yeah, I only pick up brand deal's
29:05
Speaker 9: that like I support and I got lucky that like
29:08
Speaker 9: a GOP company kind of picked up with me.
29:11
Speaker 8: But I also like, do my due.
29:12
Speaker 9: Diligence because I'm like, okay, is this like what like
29:15
Speaker 9: compouning pharmacy do you use like Strive or Grunwich? And
29:18
Speaker 9: I'm like, okay, let me talk to the people that
29:20
Speaker 9: work here. Let's talk to the pharmacists here. And they
29:22
Speaker 9: do stability testing on their products and it's it's legit.
29:25
Speaker 9: They're compounded by pharmacists and they get their products from
29:29
Speaker 9: FDA approved wholesalers. It's like it's it's not super complicated
29:34
Speaker 9: to make.
29:36
Speaker 5: Either.
29:36
Speaker 8: But yeah, I made a few videos on it.
29:39
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's not like they're making like I don't know,
29:41
Speaker 9: maps or something crazy biologics or something. They're just getting
29:45
Speaker 9: the API and I don't know, diluted stabilizing it.
29:48
Speaker 8: I don't know. It's not a whole lot.
29:50
Speaker 3: If listeners don't know or don't follow you, how do
29:54
Speaker 3: they how do they follow you or how do they
29:56
Speaker 3: get a hold of you?
29:57
Speaker 9: I'm on every platform basically, I don't want to say
29:59
Speaker 9: every Twitter and stuff, but like TikTok is my main platform.
30:03
Speaker 9: I just started posting on Facebook when TikTok was gonna
30:06
Speaker 9: go away, YadA, yadayada.
30:07
Speaker 8: So Facebook is my second biggest.
30:09
Speaker 9: I'm on Instagram that hasn't had a lot of speed
30:11
Speaker 9: on it, and I'm on YouTube.
30:12
Speaker 8: Have five thousand subscervis on YouTube whatever.
30:14
Speaker 5: But yeah, and it's your favorite pharmacist.
30:17
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're fai pharmacist or like doctor Katie Forbes.
30:20
Speaker 3: Okay, excellent, So good to have you. I cannot wait
30:23
Speaker 3: to have you back. I'd love to have you on
30:25
Speaker 3: twerk sometimes so we can scuttle butt about things.
30:28
Speaker 5: And thank you so much for being here.
30:30
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 3: Look who we ran into at the RX rated podcast
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31:39
Speaker 5: Welcome guys, Thank you, Thank you, dan Oh, thank you
31:42
Speaker 5: for having us.
31:42
Speaker 11: We're really excited to be here. Buben to your talk.
31:45
Speaker 5: Freaking awesome.
31:46
Speaker 3: I saw you guys, guys got the shirts on shirts
31:48
Speaker 3: look amazing. You guys did some precursor out of the
31:52
Speaker 3: hotel room. It was like a little kickoff saying that
31:55
Speaker 3: you're coming down to the APHA show floor, but talk
31:58
Speaker 3: to us about what's happening. What do you guys, What
32:00
Speaker 3: are you guys excited about here in Los Angeles.
32:04
Speaker 10: I'm most excited to see these guys and get in
32:06
Speaker 10: a little bit of trouble.
32:07
Speaker 11: You know, you have a little bit of rated RX
32:10
Speaker 11: trouble if you know what I mean.
32:12
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, we're always down to have a lot of
32:14
Speaker 12: fun and meet a lot of people here to the
32:16
Speaker 12: network and have a good time.
32:18
Speaker 13: Yeah, and we didn't get to see you know each
32:20
Speaker 13: other in person. You know, we're doing it all online.
32:22
Speaker 13: So it's good to get together even though these two
32:25
Speaker 13: guys are live pretty close to each other. I had
32:28
Speaker 13: to fly in. But yeah, getting to be here looking
32:31
Speaker 13: at a lot of AI stuff that I was surprised
32:33
Speaker 13: at knowing.
32:34
Speaker 8: That that came on.
32:35
Speaker 13: So kind of seeing some of those lectures on how
32:37
Speaker 13: we're integrating AI into pharmacy seems exciting.
32:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have an AI client, TJM labs that he's
32:44
Speaker 3: a pharmacist.
32:45
Speaker 5: He started the organization. Now they're a big organization and
32:49
Speaker 5: they can quickly.
32:50
Speaker 3: Implement workflow depending on what the pharmacy's looking for, which
32:54
Speaker 3: I really like that thought. I like pharmacists leading things
32:57
Speaker 3: from a pharmacist perspective. So how where do you guys
33:02
Speaker 3: all live? That I thought that you guys were all
33:04
Speaker 3: close together. Where do you live at?
33:05
Speaker 5: I'm up in Oregon, Okay, I'm here in La I'm
33:08
Speaker 5: in San Diego, Holy Cow.
33:10
Speaker 3: So you guys are really spread out and for the
33:12
Speaker 3: listeners that you don't know our X rated podcast.
33:16
Speaker 5: You guys started what two years.
33:17
Speaker 11: Ago, roughly a year ago. We are coming up almost
33:20
Speaker 11: a year.
33:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they joined the PPN. We've been pushing
33:24
Speaker 3: out your content. We're getting a lot of great listeners
33:26
Speaker 3: per episode. I love the collective and I love the
33:30
Speaker 3: the eclecticness of your content where you're just doing a
33:33
Speaker 3: whole bunch of different stuff.
33:34
Speaker 12: Thank you.
33:35
Speaker 10: It's we've been trying a lot of stuff out seeing
33:37
Speaker 10: what works best.
33:39
Speaker 11: You know, a lot of trial and error. That's kind
33:40
Speaker 11: of how we do things. But yeah, thank you all
33:42
Speaker 11: for listening. If you guys have any suggestions, we'd love
33:45
Speaker 11: to hear it.
33:45
Speaker 10: Yeah.
33:46
Speaker 12: Yeah, kind of Trumbo fire, which is out just putting
33:48
Speaker 12: as much of content out there we can. We're learning
33:50
Speaker 12: as we go and we'll just improve as we go.
33:53
Speaker 3: What content has been the biggest draw from a listener perspective?
33:59
Speaker 5: What have you guys talked about that you saw a
34:02
Speaker 5: peak and down.
34:02
Speaker 13: Lids recently, retitruetide, so some some GLP one stuff that's
34:08
Speaker 13: kind of been on the gray market, peptides people that
34:12
Speaker 13: you know, it's not really FDA approved, yet people still
34:15
Speaker 13: want it. Saw some some studies done, you know, phase two,
34:18
Speaker 13: phase three trials, and they're getting really excited and trying
34:21
Speaker 13: to get their hands on it before it becomes you know,
34:25
Speaker 13: approved by the FDA. So a little scary because you know,
34:28
Speaker 13: their research only stuff that they're getting a hand of,
34:31
Speaker 13: you know, online, not going through provider seeing great results.
34:36
Speaker 13: And I think that's kind of the problem of this
34:38
Speaker 13: guy on here. You know, this TikTok did great on this,
34:41
Speaker 13: so you know, I think I should get that too.
34:44
Speaker 13: When it's still you know, has a little bit more
34:46
Speaker 13: work to do through clinical trials, which you know is
34:49
Speaker 13: all about safety.
34:50
Speaker 3: At that point, I even for I forgot for a
34:53
Speaker 3: listener's perspective. Now that they're driving in their car, they're walking,
34:56
Speaker 3: they don't know that what the heck's going on? You
34:58
Speaker 3: have to each of you entered use yourself to the listeners.
35:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, go for it.
35:04
Speaker 10: My name is Robbie Bossy, founder and starter of rated
35:10
Speaker 10: RX podcast.
35:11
Speaker 11: I found I.
35:13
Speaker 10: Went to create a university where I met these two
35:16
Speaker 10: fine guys both in character and looks.
35:19
Speaker 11: We'll say, how about that?
35:21
Speaker 10: And here we are at APHA just trying to spread.
35:24
Speaker 11: The good word about what we're doing.
35:28
Speaker 10: Aside from the podcast stuff. I don't want to say
35:32
Speaker 10: explicitly where I work.
35:33
Speaker 11: You can find that.
35:34
Speaker 10: I'm on LinkedIn if you're really curious. But I work
35:36
Speaker 10: at a block psychiatric hospital and that's loads of fun.
35:39
Speaker 11: To not know I was going to get into that,
35:41
Speaker 11: but I love doing it. It's a great time, all right.
35:45
Speaker 12: I am Xavier Heel, clinical pharmacy especialist, co founder of
35:49
Speaker 12: the podcast Loving is Here. I'm also a geriatric pharmacist
35:54
Speaker 12: at the VA here in La. Other than that, I'm
35:59
Speaker 12: trying to do a little side business on the side
36:01
Speaker 12: as well, working as a caretaker for well not caretaker,
36:05
Speaker 12: but I'm helping manage medications for caregivers or lder patients
36:09
Speaker 12: who don't really know how to manage their medications and
36:12
Speaker 12: kind of help with those transitions that care post hospital
36:15
Speaker 12: are just like whenever the doctor changes.
36:17
Speaker 5: Medication and multiple doctors helping.
36:19
Speaker 12: Them get more organized so they can have more better
36:21
Speaker 12: adherence and they can get better.
36:22
Speaker 5: So that's one some of the things working on in
36:24
Speaker 5: side as well.
36:25
Speaker 13: Sam and I am Sam Lona also pharmacist Creighton. We
36:29
Speaker 13: all went to school together, had a good time there.
36:32
Speaker 13: My specialty is sterile compounding, so the reditrue Tide stuff
36:36
Speaker 13: I'd get in clinic. A lot of questions on that,
36:38
Speaker 13: people wanting to get into that and know what these
36:42
Speaker 13: peptides are and sterile compounds. So board certified in that,
36:47
Speaker 13: and that tends to consume my day of people wanting
36:51
Speaker 13: to know about human injectables.
36:54
Speaker 5: So I know from running a podcast.
36:57
Speaker 3: I used to do Pharmacy Podcast Network all by myself
37:00
Speaker 3: up until twenty nineteen where I started having my brother
37:04
Speaker 3: do some of our editing and now he's our full
37:07
Speaker 3: time producer and now I have two other people that
37:09
Speaker 3: are working with us. So I can only imagine with
37:12
Speaker 3: your full time jobs what it takes to produce a
37:15
Speaker 3: good show. So talk to us about that cadence, like
37:18
Speaker 3: how much content are you guys putting out for a
37:20
Speaker 3: rated RX and what's that life?
37:22
Speaker 4: Who?
37:23
Speaker 11: Okay, it's a lot of work.
37:26
Speaker 10: We currently do one episode a week, but we have
37:31
Speaker 10: there's some discussions about us dialing it down. Have another
37:34
Speaker 10: kid on the way, so I don't know how feasible
37:36
Speaker 10: it is to do one more one a week, but.
37:40
Speaker 11: I use a lot of online resources to kind of
37:43
Speaker 11: streamline everything.
37:44
Speaker 10: A lot of looking on Google trands to figure out
37:47
Speaker 10: what people are looking up online, what they're interested in,
37:50
Speaker 10: so we can build a good episode of what people
37:51
Speaker 10: actually want to listen to. And then you know, love
37:56
Speaker 10: AI helps me with all my note taking, all of
37:59
Speaker 10: my description for videos.
38:02
Speaker 11: The hardest part.
38:04
Speaker 10: Of everything is the social media. As you know, Todd
38:07
Speaker 10: is it is a lot of work. Clipping together a
38:09
Speaker 10: good video, finding the right time to post it, finding
38:12
Speaker 10: the right hashtags.
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Speaker 11: It's a lot of works.
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Speaker 5: So Todd, I really.
38:15
Speaker 10: Empathize with you, man, it's who So any tips I
38:19
Speaker 10: would love to hear it.
38:20
Speaker 11: I use a lot of.
38:22
Speaker 10: Scheduling planners, so I just sort of spend one day
38:25
Speaker 10: out of the week frontloading everything and then it just
38:27
Speaker 10: sort of automatically pushes things out based on a schedule.
38:31
Speaker 10: And that's super helpful. If anyone's interested in starting a
38:34
Speaker 10: podcast and doing social media stuff, that is the way
38:37
Speaker 10: to go. If you want to still be a present
38:40
Speaker 10: family person at home.
38:41
Speaker 11: Wow, which not very important.
38:43
Speaker 10: Which is very important while running a podcast, but it's
38:46
Speaker 10: very rewarding, it's very inspiring.
38:48
Speaker 11: Wouldn't have met Todd had not been it.
38:51
Speaker 10: And Todd's a great guy and definitely a mentor in
38:54
Speaker 10: a lot of ways, I'll say he probably won't.
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Speaker 11: Admit it, but I'm gonna say it.
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Speaker 10: And so if you're thinking about starting up, who's the
39:00
Speaker 10: guy to reach out to?
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Speaker 11: You can reach out to me as well, happy to
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Speaker 11: help you get started.
39:06
Speaker 5: What do you like about podcasting saviors?
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Speaker 8: I really enjoy just talking to these guys.
39:11
Speaker 12: It's like fun just having a conversation with your buddy
39:14
Speaker 12: about different topics that's trending in the world right now,
39:17
Speaker 12: and letting the people know what they actually want to hear,
39:20
Speaker 12: breaking things down for them, helping them understand things better,
39:24
Speaker 12: but also just having a good time expressing yourself.
39:26
Speaker 11: Is that like a release.
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Speaker 8: It's kind of like therapy for me. I just get
39:29
Speaker 8: the release.
39:30
Speaker 11: I'm a very energetic.
39:31
Speaker 12: Guy, so you know sometimes at work, you I'll be
39:33
Speaker 12: so serious all the time and pent up. So this
39:36
Speaker 12: allows me to really release a lot of energy that
39:39
Speaker 12: I have built up and really.
39:41
Speaker 5: Express myself and have a good time about you.
39:45
Speaker 13: I think it makes me to go on to Robbie
39:47
Speaker 13: is kind of an initial vision of what he wanted
39:50
Speaker 13: and it being a little more fun and relaxing compared
39:54
Speaker 13: to just dry ces people are doing and going through.
39:58
Speaker 13: So trying to give a little upbeat for people that
40:01
Speaker 13: are in our same kind of setup we're in in
40:03
Speaker 13: pharmacy and maybe you know burnout or the grind of
40:06
Speaker 13: having to deal with patients. So trying to give a
40:09
Speaker 13: little a little bit more to those our colleagues I
40:14
Speaker 13: guess who are going through the same thing and a
40:16
Speaker 13: little little lightness to their day.
40:18
Speaker 11: I love it well.
40:19
Speaker 5: I appreciate you guys. You've broughten.
40:21
Speaker 3: You've brought, you've brought and listen to me, you've broughten.
40:24
Speaker 3: Now you've brought a new element of content to the network.
40:28
Speaker 3: We so much appreciate you always make me laugh. And
40:31
Speaker 3: you're doing it with education too, because I learned something
40:34
Speaker 3: when I listen to you guys, and I'm about the pharmacists.
40:36
Speaker 3: So I'm always listening out for what the pharmacists have
40:38
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41:49
Speaker 5: Introduce yourself to our listeners. I'm Kitlin.
41:52
Speaker 7: I'm a first year pharmacy student at the University of Montana,
41:55
Speaker 7: but I did my undergraduate education of the University of Connecticut.
41:59
Speaker 3: First CHESTI why do you want to become a pharmacist.
42:03
Speaker 7: I want to become a pharmacist because we're the most
42:06
Speaker 7: accessible healthcare professional. But we also get to know our
42:08
Speaker 7: community like no other profession can.
42:11
Speaker 5: Yeah.
42:12
Speaker 3: The trust level because I think it has to do
42:14
Speaker 3: with how many times you're seen. They say, for every
42:17
Speaker 3: time a patient is seeing their physician, they're seeing their
42:21
Speaker 3: pharmacist nine times more. And I think that familiarity builds trust.
42:27
Speaker 8: Oh absolutely it does.
42:28
Speaker 7: We see them more often than not. We know what
42:30
Speaker 7: they're going through, we know when they have a loss
42:32
Speaker 7: of someone they know, we know everything about them. Where
42:35
Speaker 7: their doctor only has twenty minutes with them, we have
42:37
Speaker 7: hours a week.
42:38
Speaker 3: So if you think of the realm of pharmacy, it's
42:42
Speaker 3: so different. Like if you would have become a pharmacist
42:45
Speaker 3: twenty or thirty years ago, you might go into the
42:48
Speaker 3: hospital system, you might go into community. But now we're
42:52
Speaker 3: talking about medical science, liaison, we're talking about pharmacists that
42:56
Speaker 3: are getting into AI development, We're talking about I mean,
43:00
Speaker 3: there's so many things that are happening.
43:04
Speaker 5: When you are now seeing Now you're here.
43:06
Speaker 3: At the APHA, this is an amazing event for you
43:08
Speaker 3: to come to to get an idea what part of
43:11
Speaker 3: the pharmacy sector interests the most.
43:14
Speaker 7: So I actually want to do something a little different
43:17
Speaker 7: that's not really talked about. So I have a background
43:19
Speaker 7: in environmental science, so I'm really interested in making pharmacy sustainable.
43:24
Speaker 7: I think a lot of the times the pharmaceutical industry
43:27
Speaker 7: hurts the environment with how they manufacture things. So while
43:30
Speaker 7: we're helping one patient, we're inadvertently harming another person by
43:33
Speaker 7: harming the environment. So I'm kind of looking that intersectionality
43:36
Speaker 7: and trying to fix it.
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Speaker 5: That is wild, that's awesome.
43:39
Speaker 3: So there's a company I'm going to give a shout
43:41
Speaker 3: out to I want you to look up called Have
43:42
Speaker 3: you ever.
43:43
Speaker 5: Heard of Parcel Health?
43:44
Speaker 7: No, I haven't.
43:45
Speaker 3: So parcel develops a container that is biodegradable instead of
43:51
Speaker 3: it being plastic. I forget what they make it out of,
43:55
Speaker 3: but yeah, they're all about the environment. So that might
43:58
Speaker 3: be actually an internship or something that you could hook
44:01
Speaker 3: up with Parcel Health. But I think that that's an
44:04
Speaker 3: interesting play because if the manufacturer started having a pharmacist
44:08
Speaker 3: on staff that then was tied into environmental protection, it
44:12
Speaker 3: goes hand in hand.
44:13
Speaker 7: Oh, it absolutely does. Yeah, I mean even ethically as well.
44:16
Speaker 7: We want pharmacy to be ethical, like ethic, and a
44:20
Speaker 7: lot of people don't like the pharmaceutical industry because it's
44:22
Speaker 7: not ethical. So I'm hoping to also change that perception.
44:25
Speaker 5: So another shout out.
44:26
Speaker 3: We just had somebody on the show earlier, Dixie Lecoq,
44:31
Speaker 3: with PRRX and Dixie is part of the APHA's kind
44:35
Speaker 3: of mind share team and she develops programs and ce
44:40
Speaker 3: all about ethics. So definitely link up with Dixie as well.
44:45
Speaker 3: So I have two people. You have to look up
44:47
Speaker 3: Parcel and you have to look up Dixie Lacock.
44:49
Speaker 7: I'm definitely going to do that. This conference is made
44:52
Speaker 7: for those connections, so exactly.
44:54
Speaker 3: Well, I hope that you will follow the forty plus
45:00
Speaker 3: podcasts that are on the Pharmacy Podcast Network. We have pediatrics,
45:03
Speaker 3: we have geriatrics. We don't have anybody in environmental science though,
45:07
Speaker 3: So if you'd ever like to come back and give
45:09
Speaker 3: us some insights of things that you've discovered. I want
45:13
Speaker 3: to invite you back to the platform to be able
45:15
Speaker 3: to share that with our listeners.
45:16
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I would love that.
45:17
Speaker 7: You know. I'm a student, so I'm still figuring it out,
45:20
Speaker 7: trying to do social media as well, So just figuring
45:22
Speaker 7: it all out, but I'm happy to talk about it.
45:23
Speaker 5: Well, that's how you start.
45:24
Speaker 3: You have to I always say to young pharmacy students,
45:28
Speaker 3: you have to start a blog, or you have to
45:30
Speaker 3: start some type of social media or something to track
45:35
Speaker 3: your journey in pharmacy, but then to give back to
45:38
Speaker 3: people that are following you as well. So I think
45:40
Speaker 3: what you're doing is awesome.
45:41
Speaker 8: So thank you.
45:42
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's been a journey, like your next guest,
45:45
Speaker 7: like we met online and now we've met in person
45:47
Speaker 7: today and yesterday, so it's just great.
45:49
Speaker 11: I love it.
45:50
Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much for being on the show.
45:52
Speaker 8: Awesome, Thank you so much.
45:58
Speaker 14: Hi.
45:58
Speaker 6: My name is Soak, the CEO of Cure Voice, and
46:01
Speaker 6: you're listening to the Pharmacy Podcast.
46:06
Speaker 5: Listeners.
46:07
Speaker 3: I am so excited for you to hear the next
46:09
Speaker 3: interview with Saki Purtel, entrepreneur, pharmacist, someone that's just inspiring
46:17
Speaker 3: to me and her dedication to education and doing it
46:22
Speaker 3: just a slight different way.
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Speaker 5: Saki, Welcome to the show.
46:25
Speaker 8: Thank you for having me again.
46:27
Speaker 5: All right, so what year of school are you in
46:30
Speaker 5: right now?
46:31
Speaker 8: So I'm in my third year.
46:32
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
46:33
Speaker 3: You're so dynamic and at such a young stage of
46:39
Speaker 3: your pharmacy career, you've already accomplished so much. Talk to
46:43
Speaker 3: us about this platform, Cure of Voice, and how special
46:46
Speaker 3: it is and why I'm so excited about it and
46:49
Speaker 3: helping pharmacy students get more out of their education track.
46:53
Speaker 8: Yeah.
46:53
Speaker 6: Absolutely, So just a little bit about Cure a Voice
46:55
Speaker 6: where basically an AI platform that helps healthcare students practice
46:59
Speaker 6: patient interrock. So it was really built from my learned
47:02
Speaker 6: experience as a pharmacy school student and kind of where
47:04
Speaker 6: I saw the most gaps in our education, and one
47:07
Speaker 6: of those biggest gaps was in communication training. So one
47:10
Speaker 6: of the biggest things that we really wanted to do
47:12
Speaker 6: was create a safe space for students to practice talking
47:15
Speaker 6: to patients. So our bot pretends to be a patient
47:17
Speaker 6: and then students can talk to it, counsel it through medication,
47:20
Speaker 6: and then get real time feedback on their performance and
47:23
Speaker 6: their empathy.
47:24
Speaker 8: And then to make it.
47:25
Speaker 6: More of a learning loop, we added some study tools
47:27
Speaker 6: so if the student uploads their lecture slides, they get
47:30
Speaker 6: custom quizz flashcards, concept maps, whatever they need to help
47:33
Speaker 6: really drill that information in so that they can become
47:36
Speaker 6: better providers and better explainers tomorrow.
47:39
Speaker 4: Yeah.
47:39
Speaker 3: I think of the intensity of what you're learning, the science,
47:44
Speaker 3: the math, anything that goes in it, it's very black
47:47
Speaker 3: and white. However, what you're helping a student to understand
47:52
Speaker 3: isn't always black and white, and sometimes, like you said,
47:55
Speaker 3: the empathy. Part of it really helps them to understand
47:58
Speaker 3: bedside or curb side or counter side and being able
48:03
Speaker 3: to really talk through something with a patient, and therein
48:06
Speaker 3: lies the most one of the most important aspects of
48:09
Speaker 3: being a pharmacist is the communication.
48:11
Speaker 5: Aspect of it. So that's incredible.
48:14
Speaker 8: Thank you.
48:15
Speaker 3: So talk to me about how you can see this
48:18
Speaker 3: integrated into all pharmacy education and taking it when when
48:24
Speaker 3: would you say a pharmacy student starts to use the.
48:26
Speaker 6: Platform right, so ideally they would start using it pretty
48:30
Speaker 6: much their first year just to kind of already get
48:33
Speaker 6: into that loop of you know, I'm going to have
48:34
Speaker 6: to one day talk to patients and explain these things
48:36
Speaker 6: out loud and right now. We're also working on expanding
48:40
Speaker 6: the tool to not just pharmacy students, but to technicians
48:44
Speaker 6: and technician training because I know what I was a technician.
48:46
Speaker 6: One of the biggest things that was the hardest thing
48:48
Speaker 6: for me to explain was insurance.
48:50
Speaker 8: Right when a patient comes in and.
48:51
Speaker 6: They're like, why is my COPE five hundred when it
48:54
Speaker 6: was ninety last month? Right, we have to be knowledgeable
48:57
Speaker 6: in those things and explain it because, yeah, from the
48:59
Speaker 6: patient's end, it is frustrating when those things happen. So
49:02
Speaker 6: we really wanted to make sure we're able to cover
49:04
Speaker 6: all the bases, and that is one of them, so
49:05
Speaker 6: technician training, and then we're looking to expand into other
49:08
Speaker 6: domains of pharmacy workers as well. So really we're just
49:11
Speaker 6: trying to cover as many bases as possible where communication
49:14
Speaker 6: and effective communication at that is involved.
49:17
Speaker 3: So what has this taught you about being What has
49:21
Speaker 3: being an entrepreneur taught you about the pharmacy profession and
49:25
Speaker 3: the gaps of what it takes to build something and
49:29
Speaker 3: actually get something too from concept to actually something that
49:34
Speaker 3: can be used.
49:35
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a really good question.
49:37
Speaker 6: I feel like the worlds are really intertwined of pharmacy
49:41
Speaker 6: and entrepreneurship more so than I think one would initially realize.
49:45
Speaker 6: You know, as a pharmacist, our whole job is to
49:47
Speaker 6: identify gaps in our patient's care and really make sure
49:50
Speaker 6: that we're the ones to fill those gaps to address
49:52
Speaker 6: those things. And so that's exactly what entrepreneurship is. You
49:56
Speaker 6: look at a system or you look at an industry
49:57
Speaker 6: and you say, hey, what can we do better to
49:59
Speaker 6: make people's lives easier?
50:01
Speaker 8: And you come up with a.
50:02
Speaker 6: Solution, and of course scaling and all the effective ways
50:05
Speaker 6: of doing that and marketing. Those are all things that
50:07
Speaker 6: kind of you learn as you go along. You make
50:09
Speaker 6: a few mistakes, but you learn from those. Right, But
50:11
Speaker 6: I think at its core, pharmacists and entrepreneurs do a
50:14
Speaker 6: lot of the same things, So it was really a
50:16
Speaker 6: pretty easy transition.
50:18
Speaker 8: For me, at least personally.
50:19
Speaker 3: Right there's some pharmacy students that are listening right now.
50:22
Speaker 3: They're curious, how do they where do we learn more
50:26
Speaker 3: about care of voice?
50:26
Speaker 5: How do I get a hold of the system or
50:29
Speaker 5: start using the system or even engage you.
50:31
Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you go to cure Voice dot com,
50:33
Speaker 6: it'll take you exactly to where our tool, you can
50:36
Speaker 6: make an account and such, and then of course the
50:38
Speaker 6: website has some more information on the tool itself. Right now,
50:41
Speaker 6: specifically for APHA, if anyone's listening, we're doing a giveaway
50:44
Speaker 6: slash scholarship for students because we really want to give back.
50:47
Speaker 6: So if you go to Apha dotcreavoice dot com, you'll
50:51
Speaker 6: get information on our giveaway and scholarship as well.
50:54
Speaker 3: That is awesome, all right, say that again. It was
50:56
Speaker 3: an Apha.
50:58
Speaker 6: Apha dot cre a voice dot com, or you can
51:01
Speaker 6: come to booth eight twenty three if you're here, We're
51:03
Speaker 6: here all.
51:03
Speaker 5: Day, all right, SACKI, thanks so much for being on
51:06
Speaker 5: the show.
51:06
Speaker 8: Thank you for having me.