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Football at Four: Going Inside Eagles' Brass Pre-Draft Press Conference · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The audio of Roseman responding to the article Let's play
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  Speaker 1: that one more time.
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  Speaker 2: We have some faults. One of them is not being
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  Speaker 2: direct and honest with our players and the conversations with
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  Speaker 2: our players. So for us, if we have any issue
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  Speaker 2: with any of our players, we talk to them directly.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, from my perspective, from Nick's perspective, from
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey's perspective, you know we're not hiding behind anything. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we will talk to our players directly. I think that
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  Speaker 2: it's unfair. It's unfair to have these articles written, but
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  Speaker 2: I understand it's also what sells at this point, So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's unfortunately.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: That was Hallie Roseman yesterday. We talked about it with
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  Speaker 1: Jeff yesterday. He is back for football at four today.
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  Speaker 1: Now as I heard this yesterday, Jeff and we talked
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  Speaker 1: about it a little bit. He used the word unfair
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  Speaker 1: regarding the reports on Jalen Hurts, and he said he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't hide the team, doesn't hide behind anything. So he
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  Speaker 1: is the frustration that his answer directed at the accuracy
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  Speaker 1: of the reporting, or is he frustrated that the dirty
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  Speaker 1: laundry is being aired out publicly because none of that
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  Speaker 1: was him supporting his quarterback as I heard it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know, I don't know if he was.
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  Speaker 3: This was like at the tail end of the press conference,
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  Speaker 3: so correct.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm glad you brought that up, because, as I
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  Speaker 1: said yesterday, he talked the Flyers win, the Phillies got there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like this kind of gets lost in the
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  Speaker 1: sauce a little, but you're just kind of playing it.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I read the transcript, it did read
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  Speaker 1: a little differently.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I thought, you know, it just you know,
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  Speaker 3: because you're just searching for things that we don't know here.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he had made it through the whole press
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  Speaker 3: conference without being asked about it. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: his mind got taken to other areas of pre draft
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  Speaker 3: questions because that his answer didn't sound like the typically
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  Speaker 3: rehearsed answer you might get from him on a question
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  Speaker 3: like that, and it seemed to catch him in between
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  Speaker 3: as we talked about yesterday, trying to make sure that
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  Speaker 3: he he articulated a point of any denial that the
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  Speaker 3: team had anything to do with this right by saying
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  Speaker 3: that they have good conversations with their players, they don't
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  Speaker 3: need to go through the media, but then also not
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  Speaker 3: not really going overboard to say anything other than that
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  Speaker 3: was unfortunate and sad, not really defect. Sometimes he'll go overboard.
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  Speaker 3: He'll he'll defend the character, he'll talk about this, and
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  Speaker 3: he didn't do that. But I don't I don't also
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  Speaker 3: know what to make of that, Mike. I don't sit
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  Speaker 3: here and think that that's some kind of incrimination of
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts or some kind of you know, proving of
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  Speaker 3: all the things that are said about him to be true.
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  Speaker 3: Which I'm not saying that the story is wrong. I've
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  Speaker 3: we've reported a lot of it too. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 3: his reaction to me is being a little bit overparsed right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, right, So Yeah, That's why I was like, as
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  Speaker 1: I heard this and read this, sounds like, is he
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  Speaker 1: frustrated at the accuracy of the reporting. Is he's suggesting
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  Speaker 1: that it's not right but this is what sells papers?
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  Speaker 1: Or is he frustrated that somebody in their foxhole is
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  Speaker 1: letting somebody out something out?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if he I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he's frustrated. I think they're right now.
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  Speaker 3: They're just focused on the draft, I think then they
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  Speaker 3: I think, how he's pretty having gone through it himself,
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  Speaker 3: uh many times, is pretty aware of what this market
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  Speaker 3: is like and what's the accountability that the media holds
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  Speaker 3: the team and the players. And you know, he's been
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  Speaker 3: through the ringer many times himself, So I don't I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that he looks at one of his players
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  Speaker 3: going through it as anything differently than what he went
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  Speaker 3: through as and less of just that's part of playing
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  Speaker 3: in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Bosha, we talked a little bit about Wix yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: both Sirianni and Howie. You talked about his ability to
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  Speaker 1: separate at the top of routes, his toughness. So how
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  Speaker 1: much of this do you think is a reflection of
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  Speaker 1: how much voice Sean mannon the influence he has now
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  Speaker 1: on this offense.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, one thing I told you yesterday that
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  Speaker 3: we had heard and reported was that Howie Roseman was
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  Speaker 3: a fan of Dontavian Wicks going back to his college days.
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  Speaker 3: And so this is I don't think I mentioned this yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: but I wanted to. If you go, look, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of players that Howie either brings in for a
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  Speaker 3: visit the team brings in for a visit or shows
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  Speaker 3: interest in that they're not able to draft that somehow
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  Speaker 3: wind up becoming Eagles later down the line. You know,
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  Speaker 3: Arnold E. Wickhetty is a really good example of that.
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  Speaker 3: He was in for a thirty visit, and Dory Jackson
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  Speaker 3: was a player they liked and you know, looked at
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  Speaker 3: in free agency a couple of years ago. He wound
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  Speaker 3: up becoming an Eagle. So I think it's more of
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  Speaker 3: the case that when Howie has an interest in a
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  Speaker 3: player and has the opportunity to get him, he'll make
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  Speaker 3: that move as long as it, you know, fits with
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  Speaker 3: their plans and what they want to do. Does it
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  Speaker 3: illustrate any power that Sean Mann he might have. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think so, you know. I mean, of course, I
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  Speaker 3: think how He's done this long enough to know that
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  Speaker 3: it really helps a new offensive coordinator adapt to a
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  Speaker 3: scheme by having some players who are familiar with it.
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  Speaker 3: That's why Johnny Muntz here, even though he didn't play
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  Speaker 3: for the Packers, he played for similar offenses in Minnesota
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  Speaker 3: and Jacksonville. And that wouldn't surprise me if they, you know,
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  Speaker 3: continue to try to get guys who have played in
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  Speaker 3: that scheme before.
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  Speaker 1: Moosha was look at a draft a little bit here.
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  Speaker 1: I thought this was an interesting one. Reading the transcript
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  Speaker 1: last night, Howie said he admits that he thinks about
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  Speaker 1: his first round misses every day and overcompensates when looking
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  Speaker 1: at similar prospects. I wonder for you, what do you
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  Speaker 1: think it was, because we've had conversations plenty of times
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  Speaker 1: over the years about their failures in the draft that
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  Speaker 1: they have overcome that. Where do you think and what
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  Speaker 1: do you think was what happened that have changed this
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  Speaker 1: Eagles organization. You talked about twenty twenty, they had a
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  Speaker 1: terrible draft other than hers, When and how did it
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  Speaker 1: all kind of change for them that we now kind
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  Speaker 1: of feel it's almost a FATA complay that he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: find town in the draft.
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm, that's a good question. I don't know if there's
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  Speaker 3: any one date or thing. I think that you have
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  Speaker 3: to look at the the bad first round picks, and
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  Speaker 3: there aren't a ton, But the ones that really stand
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  Speaker 3: out are obviously Jellen Rager, obviously Andre Dillard and Marcus Smith,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and they were all drafted. I guess the
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  Speaker 3: similar or the common bond to that mic was that
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  Speaker 3: they were reached for a for a reason. You know,
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  Speaker 3: if you go back to Marcus Smith, the story as
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  Speaker 3: it goes, there were about six guys that how he
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  Speaker 3: thought he was going to get and one of them
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  Speaker 3: was going to fall and it didn't. And then New
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  Speaker 3: Orleans traded up to get Brandon Cooks, and that really
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  Speaker 3: that really messed messed up the Eagles plans. And I
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  Speaker 3: think maybe they're okay. So that's a good example. They're
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  Speaker 3: how we learned that you just can't expect somebody to
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  Speaker 3: fall if you really want somebody. I mean, why did
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  Speaker 3: they trade up just one spot to get Jill and
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  Speaker 3: Carter a couple of years ago because of that, right?
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  Speaker 3: Why did they trade up one spot with Kansas City
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  Speaker 3: last year? I think it was one spot right to
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  Speaker 3: get johat Campbell because you just never know who is
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  Speaker 3: lurking around the corner trying to trade with that same
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  Speaker 3: team into that spot. So I think what he's learned,
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  Speaker 3: and we've seen this a lot, is how he has
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  Speaker 3: become very aggressive in moving up and down the draft,
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  Speaker 3: but especially up to get the guys he wants. He
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  Speaker 3: moved up with a division rival, the Commanders to go
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  Speaker 3: get Cooper to gen in the second round a couple
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  Speaker 3: of years ago. As far as the process though and
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  Speaker 3: how they evaluate players, I don't think that was the issue.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that with Marcus Smith they panicked because
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  Speaker 3: they lost all their guys. With Rager, I mean, that
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  Speaker 3: was clearly how we listening to the coaching staff, I
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  Speaker 3: wanted speed, and how he wanted speed ahead of the
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  Speaker 3: best available player, which clearly was was justin Jefferson. They
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  Speaker 3: made he made him. He made a lot of mistakes
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  Speaker 3: in that draft, in particular. You know Davion Taylor round
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  Speaker 3: three and Kevon Wallace around four, two.
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  Speaker 1: Days in a row on the show, Davion Taylor's got
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  Speaker 1: to mention that kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we bring that up all. I mean, and because
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  Speaker 3: that was such an egregious pick, like that guy that
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  Speaker 3: wasn't like you drafted a guy who should have been
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  Speaker 3: a fourth or a fifth round or in the third round.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Adam and I have people telling us that
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  Speaker 3: guy had priority rookie free agent great on him, like undraftable,
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  Speaker 3: hadn't played enough football, didn't know what he was doing,
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  Speaker 3: was just an at Like to get him in the
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  Speaker 3: third round was really a big, big, misstep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had like not played right, He had not
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  Speaker 1: played a lot of you know, he couldn't play Friday
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  Speaker 1: nights or sat right.
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  Speaker 3: Because the religious purposes and everything. I mean, it was
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  Speaker 3: it was a real you look back now and say uncharacteristic,
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  Speaker 3: but that draft was not good. The only person that
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  Speaker 3: saves it, obviously was was Jalen Hurts. Yeah, saves it
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  Speaker 3: in a big way. But yeah, so Mark, So wait, wait,
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  Speaker 3: Marcus Smith. Who's the other one? Marcus Smith? Jefferson? And
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  Speaker 3: who am I missing on the first round misses?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if well, DK Metcalfe didn't
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  Speaker 1: get drafted in the first round, but they took jj
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  Speaker 1: Arthega Whiteside ahead of him, and but I think DK
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  Speaker 1: was on a medical don't draft list.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that's where also I think maybe you know,
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  Speaker 3: analytics not getting all of the love as they were
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  Speaker 3: at one point. I mean, analytics loved j j Arthega
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  Speaker 3: Whiteside didn't work out for him, Analytics loved Davion Taylor's
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  Speaker 3: athleticism didn't work out for him. So I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: think how he's been more by the tape lately and
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  Speaker 3: making sure the athletic testing matches the tape.
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  Speaker 1: I know you gotta get out of here. I want
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  Speaker 1: to get one more in real quick. Roseman admitted yesterday
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  Speaker 1: that the safety position is not full, but he won't
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  Speaker 1: force a pick. But him saying the safety position not fall,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was definitely interesting because you know that
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  Speaker 1: will leave the door open for do you play Cooper
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  Speaker 1: dejen or do you have to get somebody else? Is
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  Speaker 1: there somebody out there you're looking around. One man's trash
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  Speaker 1: is another man's treasure. What do you make of that
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  Speaker 1: not full? That they don't want EPs in Macuba to
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  Speaker 1: be their starters, it sounds like right, or they just
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  Speaker 1: be for depth.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they clearly don't want those to be their starters.
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  Speaker 3: They want mccouba and a starting caliber player, and that's
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  Speaker 3: why they're going to continue to look at the position,
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  Speaker 3: whether it is the draft, whether it is the trade.
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  Speaker 3: So I liked you know, I'm always about balance, right.
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  Speaker 3: I like to remind people of two things. One, the
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  Speaker 3: Eagles got themselves a heck of a safety in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty two, about two weeks before the season began, when
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  Speaker 3: they traded for CJ. Gardner Johnson because they were looking
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  Speaker 3: at going into the year with their safeties being Marcus
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  Speaker 3: Epps and I for yet who oh Anthony Harris, Anthony Harris,
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  Speaker 3: and literally they released Anthony Harris like the next day, right,
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  Speaker 3: he was the number one, say, our first team safety
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  Speaker 3: all throughout camp and then they trade for CJ. Gardner Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: So that's an example of how there's plenty of time.
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  Speaker 3: But I also do like to remind people that they
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  Speaker 3: went into the twenty twenty three season after they didn't
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  Speaker 3: retain c J. Gardner Johnson with Terrell Edmonds and Justin
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  Speaker 3: Evans as their options to start at safety, which was
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  Speaker 3: an abject and absolute disaster. So I can't you know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know where how he's at here. Hopefully he's
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  Speaker 3: more on the side of getting a player, like a
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  Speaker 3: starting caliber player than thinking he could fill a hole
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  Speaker 3: like Terrell Edmonds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, most we all have plenty We'll do
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  Speaker 1: some draft mailbag stuff leading up to the draft for
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  Speaker 1: the listeners. I know a lot of people have been
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  Speaker 1: sending questions and I haven't got a chance to put
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  Speaker 1: them all together, but we'll start compiling that for the
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  Speaker 1: guys football at four Andrews here tomorrow. Mosh enjoy the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the week.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, would you have hit mar or Boom
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  Speaker 1: last night?
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  Speaker 3: I would have who who did Boom pinch it for Marsh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: No, I would have. I would have kept marshan I
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  Speaker 3: I did. There's no way I'm bringing in an ice
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  Speaker 3: cold Alec Bohm just because he's right handed, Like, what
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  Speaker 3: what is the use of a right handed hitter who's
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  Speaker 3: not hitting? I don't understand that. Yeah, listen to me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Marsh obviously has had his struggles against lefties, you know, Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the guy's not ice cold end on the bench.
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  Speaker 2: Like.
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  Speaker 1: The funny part is Bom had a hit in his
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  Speaker 1: last at bat the game before, and then he got
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  Speaker 1: and then he's they sat him yesterday. I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: he finally got a hit. Now you're sitting them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And by the way, Alec Bohm looked like he
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  Speaker 3: was trying to hit the he's on home run and.
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  Speaker 1: He's he's been terrible. Hey, but listen, if you're going
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  Speaker 1: off their resumes, Bom has hit lefties significantly better than
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  Speaker 1: Marsh has.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, but that I think that in this situation.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's like saying, well, Boom's a career like
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  Speaker 3: two eighty five hitter, but right now he's batting like
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  Speaker 3: a newspaper weight, So I don't want him hitting against
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  Speaker 3: anybody at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that Bom has been terrible. I just
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  Speaker 1: look at it as you know, people like Marsh, they
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  Speaker 1: don't like Bom.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think the biggest takeaway before I get
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  Speaker 3: out of here is that when Boom and Otto Kemp
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  Speaker 3: are your best options on the bench and Marsh is
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  Speaker 3: your best option in the lineup currently, it's just not
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  Speaker 3: a great against the left hander.
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  Speaker 1: It's not That's what I say. When you have to
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  Speaker 1: debate hitting for your fifth hitter in the lineup, your
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  Speaker 1: team is not good enough.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that's why the phrase pick your poison was invented.
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  Speaker 1: There absolutely Jeff Boscher football for everybody.