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How Nasha Winters Overcame Stage 4 Cancer: The Power of Terrain-Based Healing · Non-Toxic Living

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  You cannot heal a body if you do not heal the planet, the plants, the animals.
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  To someone who had a cancer diagnosis today, what would you tell them to do tonight?
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  First I tell them to...
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  Because not only a turner,
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  we didn't study 10,000 of these spontaneous remissions and realized people made
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  radical changes in their lives to overcome.
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  Of those 10, three of them are tangible diet, lifestyle, and exercise.
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  There's not one that works. They're all very individual.
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  The other seven are...
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  You are not allowed to say you treat cancer unless you were a board-certified
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  standard of care and colleges.
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  I don't treat cancer. I don't teach my doctors how to treat cancer.
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  We treat the terrain.
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  The most influential impact on our immune system is what's happening on microbiome.
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  You've said early detection isn't the same as prevention when it comes to cancer.
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  Why is that?
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  Well, why is that? Is that the doctor?
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  It's telling you this is going to improve your survival.
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  But when pushed comes to shove, they won't tell you that unless you actively ask them.
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  And then what they say is, well,
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  Jesus, if the patient lives to two months, that's a win.
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  This is a trillion dollar industry.
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  Oh, what do we keep seeing, Guy?
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  They are industry, specifically Pharma and Ag.
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  The reality is, is that not a single patient I've ever been with
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  before they take their last breath.
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  Have ever said, I wish I'd worked more of accomplished this.
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  I wish it comes always back down to...
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  Naysha, thank you and welcome to the Nontastic Living Podcast.
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  You have an amazing journey.
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  You were diagnosed with cancer when you were very young stage four.
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  So I want you to tell that story and then we'll get into the miracles you get to experience.
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  Yeah, yes, it's...
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  Oh, first I love that you are even qualifying that.
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  It's so beautiful and it's so great to be a few.
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  Like it's our paths of cross many times over the years.
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  And I just, when I don't know if I actually put it together of all that is you.
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  So it's just an honor to be here.
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  Like talking before we started the recording or maybe during the recording,
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  you're just a beautiful person.
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  When you allow...
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  When you meet up with people, other people, you bring that out of them too.
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  So I just want to honor you in this conversation.
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  I feel really excited to unravel this with you.
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  But yeah, you're right.
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  I had it my own pain to purpose process.
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  I was 19 years old.
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  Leading up to that, I believe that I never was healthy.
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  Like literally came onto this planet unhealthy.
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  I mean, like the stories I get from my mom was, you know, you couldn't tolerate.
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  In 1971, they weren't doing breast milk, right?
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  They weren't.
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  So no, 1974, they weren't doing...
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  Yeah, like nope, nope, that's just too weird.
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  Yeah, so they...
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  I wasn't breast fed either.
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  Yeah, and they tried every formula you can imagine I reacted to all of them.
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  So they finally just settled on the one that seemed to be the less reactant,
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  which was soy formula, which that should probably right there say,
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  oops, we started off on them, you know, to go around and turn an albacurkey at that time.
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  And by the time I was nine, I was menstruating.
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  By the time I was 11, I was on birth control pills for severe endometriosis.
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  By the time I was 14, I was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome,
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  cervical dysplasia.
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  By the time 16, it had advanced the cervical dysplasia.
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  And I also got a lovely diagnosis of juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and IBS.
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  And just like a collection, but here's the weird thing.
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  I never saw them as diseases, nor did my mom, or maybe I'll say were just normalized,
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  quickly given a script, and you move on.
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  You just take these pills, you just do these drugs, and you'll be fine.
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  So it was normalized.
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  So I never even thought of myself as sick because no one questioned like,
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  you'll love this.
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  My mom told me that the doctor sold her that me pooping once a month when I was a baby
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  was normal because it was just my journey, my pattern.
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  So once a month, right?
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  I worry about patients who do it once a day.
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  You know, it's only twice a day.
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  Yeah, right.
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  And so that was just to give that.
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  So by the time I was 19, I'm a sophomore in college.
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  In fact, the summer for my sophomore year in college,
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  I started to come in more and more symptomatic,
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  and which show up in the emergency room because the pain was getting
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  excruciating, things were just not right.
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  And I kept saying, something's not right.
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  Something's not right.
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  Is that intuition?
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  Yeah, and body's talking.
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  Yeah, but I was treated like a histrionic teenage drug seeking female.
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  Despite me saying, I'm wanting more drugs.
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  They're not feeling good.
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  They're not changing things.
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  And it just was not being heard or seen until my roommate found me unconscious
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  at home.
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  And he somehow got me into the car and rushed me to the emergency room.
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  I got a different doctor that night,
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  a visiting ER doc who took one look at me and realized,
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  I was not dealing with what they all kept saying I was dealing with.
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  Did some proper examinations, some proper laughs, some proper imaging,
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  and came in to tell me through to your six-stream emotional,
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  because he had a daughter at my age,
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  that I had some form of an stage cancer.
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  It would be a few weeks before we had the official diagnosis,
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  but he suspected it was a variant origin,
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  which turned out to be the case when I got the official diagnosis on October 21, 1991.
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  So yeah.
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  Now what?
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  Now what?
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  Well, now what is that in the midst of that conversation,
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  in the weeks leading, you know, following that,
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  I had 100% outblockage.
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  So I could not eat even drinking small, even sip of water.
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  I would throw it out, then it would cause excruciating pain.
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  So it was very difficult to even stay hydrated.
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  When did you actually have tumors?
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  Oh, my God.
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  A great fruit size tumor.
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  My right over here.
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  Oh, my gosh.
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  Tumors are my liver.
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  Tumors alter out my pelvis,
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  my what we call peritoneal implant.
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  So basically like just star dust.
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  Tumors everywhere inside our car.
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  So I have a toast at everything.
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  I had fluid build up my abdomen and is malignant to sight is.
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  I had fluid build up in my lungs around my heart.
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  I was in trouble.
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  My oxygen mills were in the 70s.
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  I, because I had a complete.
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  You were watching weeks, though.
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  And they 23 months.
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  Yeah.
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  I think probably to sort of they love doing that.
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  Yeah, they're like to kind of,
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  ah, you got about three months and they said there's nothing we can do.
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  So get your affairs in order and we all make you comfortable.
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  And I'm 19 just two weeks shy.
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  Well, about 10 days shy of my 20th birthday at that time in 1991.
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  And were you in college?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And it was just this moment.
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  I was in college.
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  It was in a no stay from where I grew up.
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  And I had this moment.
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  I had this moment because the years leading up to this moment,
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  there have been two occasions.
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  My 16th year on this planet, my 17th year on this planet.
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  I tried to leave this planet.
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  Purposefully and understandable.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And the family of origin,
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  your price spoken about these scores,
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  adverse childhood events, which are a questionnaire of 10 questions
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  about experiences before the age of 18.
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  And the more yeses or the more experienced you had,
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  the higher incidence of chronic illness and cancer or a younger and younger age.
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  So it should have come as no surprise as my medical brain self years later,
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  looking back and saying at a 10 out of 10,
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  at every possible extreme traumatic experience you could have as a young person
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  that's literally wired me differently,
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  wired my nervous system, my hormonal system,
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  my neuroendocrine system, and my immune system.
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  Don't you fall back up by size now?
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  Exactly.
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  Which in 1991 that was a notch.
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  So I'm sent home to die.
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  I get another opinion.
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  They send me home to die.
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  And I'm realizing because I'm at this point where at first I felt like,
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  well, this is kind of a sexy way to go.
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  It's a little more murdery and victim-y,
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  a lot better than at my own hand.
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  It will be less devastating to my friends and family if I go this way
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  than dying by suicide.
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  And so, but what happened is it was like,
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  it was so flippant about one man having the immune very emotional keys.
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  He even had to like shut down just to cope.
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  Because in 1991, a 19-year-old with stage four of varying cancer
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  was not something you saw.
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  I mean, weirdly flash forward today,
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  one of the times I see it.
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  Unfortunately, I mean, one of the doctors who joined my training program
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  a few years ago, head of gynecological oncology
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  at a major academic institution,
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  he and I started sharing some patients
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  all under the age of 10 with stage four of varying cancer.
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  And that's when he was in his 70s, tried to retire and saying,
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  I can't retire.
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  It makes me emotional.
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  He's like, I can't do it.
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  Yeah.
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  How are we to this point?
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  Even it is proof of 40 some years.
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  You know, like we've never seen anything.
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  We're chopping off limbs, cutting up ovaries.
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  Yeah.
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  Just as a preventative.
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  That's not prevention.
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  And so, here we are back at this time
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  when the finals are telling me there's absolutely nothing you could do.
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  And something about that
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  lit a pilot light in me.
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  Basically, when someone said it can't be done,
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  I definitely have the gene,
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  which I believe is I'll just call it the
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  double dog dare you gene.
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  Because it was sort of like, it can't be done.
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  I was like, I'll show you.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, I've all.
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  No, I get it.
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  Would you say I was doing a dive,
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  but you just said, yeah, hold on my beer.
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  I was kidding.
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  Just dive it in.
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  And so it was mean that that's funny.
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  Like, you were like, I'm going to go.
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  I'm going to be a martyr.
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  Like, it's nothing I can do.
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  Everyone's telling nothing I can do.
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  And then one, this is the power of words, right?
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  It's a power of frequency.
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  It's so many medical doctors were told that they were dumb.
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  And like me, I was told I was dumb growing up.
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  I was told that, you know, I wasn't in graduate school.
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  And you were maybe at one of my events in Carlsbad,
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  where I was speaking.
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  I don't know if you remember that,
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  but I went to the runes.
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  And I'm like, how many of you
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  raise your hand if you're, you know,
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  a medical doctor and successful?
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  And I said, and any, all of us in the room,
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  I said, how many times someone told you
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  that you weren't bright, that you weren't enough?
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  And then how many of you are now doing what you do
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  because someone said that to you?
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  I remember the people who said it to me.
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  Who got chills?
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  And that was my, you know, pullback resistance.
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  It's pulling back on the resistance.
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  And you're finding the error of your destiny.
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  And that energy, that negative energy,
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  is not hurting you.
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  It's actually setting you free.
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  You people think that when someone's yelling at you
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  or giving you a bad advice and telling you not enough,
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  no, they're freaking loading the gun of your destiny.
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  If you, they're loading the bowstring,
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  they're pulling back more on your purpose.
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  And the more that's happening, don't,
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  don't be afraid of that.
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  Look where that energy's pointing you.
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  That's, that's, God's allowing it,
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  if you will, the universe is allowing it
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  for you to take it and go or wake up
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  because I didn't say that stuff.
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  The universe does not, God does not say those words.
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  He's never talking down to you, right?
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  So it's the opposite.
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  So someone's talking down to you.
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  It's literally that you have a, you have a,
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  you have a destiny and a purpose.
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  So I love the, the, the, the, the, the,
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  that happens consistent.
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  Yeah. It, and I think that's really interesting.
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  And it's funny.
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  It's to put down your beer gene.
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  What did you say to me?
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  Beer, yeah, yeah, yeah, excuse me.
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  God does.
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  But you know, here's an interesting thing.
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  So I talked about the years of just really
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  the deep, deep, deep darkness of the soul.
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  But part of that is I also lost all my faith
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  because I grew up in a very, very, very,
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  very conservative, religious state
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  or teaching evolution was illegal in my school's
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  in my education system.
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  You're going to hell of fear.
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  Yeah, but yeah, I don't like those things.
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  And then the, the very, very, very pious grandmother,
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  you know, like just all that, like I had,
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  I had a construct of a religion
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  that did not resonate with my soul, right?
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  It was very much based in like fear and loathing
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  and judgment and not grace and love.
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  And we're at this opposite because my essence
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  was the grace, love.
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  And as in spet, it may seem emotional in English,
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  but if he or she's that, my mom looked at me
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  and she's like, I don't know where you find your joy from.
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  And I just like hit me like a boomerang of, oh,
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  I researched that on my own.
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  That was, it's always been there.
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  I accessed that on my own despite everything
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  and everyone around where I grew up going against that.
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  Like you say, like the bow being pulled so tight
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  and I had an opportunity, believe at that time.
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  I was very, very sick.
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  I don't ever wish that on anybody,
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  but it was also all of the guests that have come.
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  And now 30, it'll be 34 years up to over 21st of 2025.
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  Theory that we are currently in having this conversation
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  that I was told there was no way, no way.
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  There was no way.
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  And that is what's led to my entire career.
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  Because I will tell you in the beginning,
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  I kept this very, very secret, very secret
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  because there was a lot of shame around it.
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  It was a lot of shame because there was a lot of trauma,
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  a lot of abuse and things that I was not ready
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  to let the outside world know.
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  I had really protected myself
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  and been like an overachiever to hide
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  all of what was happening in my world into my life.
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  And so what the outside world is,
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  they saw a street and body president
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  and chapter of the volleyball team
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  and like a stop, make students and all the things, right?
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  That was my compensatory mechanism to survive.
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  And yet it was never enough, right?
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  And more, never, never myself.
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  Totally.
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  Not only, yeah.
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  And so in that moment, that's why when people,
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  if I take, I can just imagine,
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  I'd taken my life at that time.
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  I would have been so confused
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  because I would have given no outward.
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  Yeah, like, you know, no one will stop the man.
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  No, no, no, no, it's the suffering, yeah.
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  So I have such compassion when I see where people are
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  in this place around this was like,
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  you don't know what people are holding.
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  You don't know what they're holding.
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  And so for me, because of the environment,
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  it was, and because of the,
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  the type of religious offerings in my world,
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  I actually was very, not just like,
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  not eight days first day, but agnostic for sure.
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  Yeah.
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  I kind of just felt rudderless in that arena.
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  Some things kind of aligned that made me really come back
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  and realized there is no way I would have been given
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  all these things, been given all of those childhood traumas
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  if there wasn't a purpose, a bigger purpose in this.
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  And, yeah.
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  And I started really seeing that.
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  And it really has been my North Star ever since.
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  And the way I support myself,
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  that also the way I support the patients that I serve.
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  And, you know, I work with a very specific population.
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  Cancer is about as far away a connection,
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  you know, as you can get from organelle to organelle connection
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  and to organelle to cell connection,
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  to cell to cell connection.
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  And on all the way from the micro to the macro,
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  it is a complete lostness and disconnectedness.
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  And like the loss of sitling and the loss of communication
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  and all the things that allow vulnerability
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  so that certain conditions can take root.
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  You were talking about sort of the Garden of Eden.
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  I call this concept the Turing, you know,
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  like the environment within us and around us
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  is what allows us to be resilient from
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  or sensitive to disease.
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  All right.
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  And so it's a constant,
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  it's a dynamic, you know, process
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  and that any time we can flip it back and forth
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  between resilience and, you know, despair, I guess.
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  Well, that is, that is the true answer to medicine.
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  Right.
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  So that is putting that by enough flex point.
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  Yeah, it's really, really.
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  There's something you talk about.
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  I mean, do you say the cancer is not the enemy?
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  Yeah, it's just telling it something.
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  Yeah, what does it say?
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  Well, I mean, I do, we've been proposing
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  or we've been waging the war on cancer since 1971
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  since Nixon administration.
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  When we set up the NCI National Cancer Institute,
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  it was like, it's not that war.
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  And that made sense at the time.
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  We're at World War I where we created more.
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  We were still in throws of Vietnam War.
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  There was like a global collective
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  understanding of that concept.
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  So I guess that metaphor made sense at the time.
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  Right, but it's really not serving us any longer
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  and hasn't been for a very long time because.
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  From we have a one.
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  So we're in fact, we are close.
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  We're not, yeah, we're not.
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  It's like it tells a word that's exactly
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  or the very least flat line.
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  Yeah.
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  And so our overall survival rate
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  sends that waging war has basically remained flatlined
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  all along.
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  And the best we can do over a study that
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  showed a review to collection of 96
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  medications that were rolled out into the oncology community
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  over a 17 year period of time.
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  That they're overall survival rate on average
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  of this collection of drugs in the cancer space
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  was an overall survival rate of 2.4 months.
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  And we call that winning victory.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And we it is absolutely mind.
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  It is mind-blowing.
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  And this is a trillion dollar industry now.
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  And so I have doctors I've worked with
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  when I have a patient.
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  They're like, well, here we're put them on this clinical trial.
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  And they're very sending.
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  Talk the whole family into it.
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  I go through the absolute to, you know,
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  relevant, you know, but statistics.
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  And I show the patient.
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  I show the family, hey, this is showing
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  that it's going to give you 1.8 months more survival.
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  Is that, is, are you willing?
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  Is that makes sense to you for the reason?
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  Here's all the side effects.
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  Exactly.
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  A higher field for the extra math.
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  We call that informed consent.
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  But the doctor is telling him,
• 16:58
  this is going to improve your survival.
• 16:59
  This is going to improve your survival.
• 17:00
  But when push tuck comes to shove,
• 17:02
  they won't tell you that unless you actively ask them.
• 17:05
  And then what they say is, well,
• 17:07
  Jesus, if the patient lives to two months, that's a win.
• 17:10
  You know, definitely on that's considered a survivor.
• 17:12
  That is.
• 17:13
  And it's such a strange dynamic
• 17:15
  that we have settled for so little.
• 17:17
  We have set the bar lower and lower each decade
• 17:21
  since we waged war on cancer.
• 17:23
  And we've gotten virtually nowhere.
• 17:25
  And we just come up with, again, another sexier drug
• 17:29
  de jour that comes to market.
• 17:30
  And right now, the whole rage is in immune therapies,
• 17:34
  which fail patients over 80% of the time.
• 17:37
  Because they don't understand the immune system.
• 17:39
  They don't understand the individual.
• 17:40
  They don't understand a support and prepare
• 17:43
  and modulate the immune system in the face of these medications.
• 17:46
  But that's where I come in and people that I train come in.
• 17:49
  We've been very well trained in how to get somebody ready
• 17:53
  for those drugs and how to support them.
• 17:55
  But we are up against somebody's like,
• 17:57
  nope, you don't know better.
• 17:59
  We're going to make a success when this person lives 2.4 months
• 18:03
  beyond their diagnosis or their desidence.
• 18:06
  And so this is the strange dance we've been in.
• 18:09
  So even all the way back and rewind, 1991,
• 18:13
  they were not, I mean, they're telling me
• 18:16
  in the end of September of 1991 that I likely won't see in 1992.
• 18:20
  Right?
• 18:20
  At the end of 1992.
• 18:22
  So suddenly we're in the 1992 and I'm still here.
• 18:25
  And it's like confusing because I was wanting to understand why.
• 18:30
  But I wasn't fighting and I wasn't doing anything.
• 18:33
  I was accidentally fasting because I couldn't eat.
• 18:35
  So didn't eat for 2.5 months actually.
• 18:38
  And that result a lot of things in me.
• 18:40
  Yeah, I chewed up all the tumors.
• 18:41
  Yeah, I chewed up.
• 18:42
  So to both a lot of the tumors,
• 18:43
  I dried up the fluid.
• 18:44
  I had to get the fluid drained a lot in the beginning
• 18:46
  and then it stopped coming back so quickly.
• 18:48
  And then I could go longer and longer between.
• 18:50
  And then my body was like, huh, like I could start.
• 18:53
  Hey, wait, I'm dead.
• 18:54
  Yeah, yeah.
• 18:54
  And what else can I do?
• 18:55
  And then I go back to them.
• 18:56
  And that's what I say.
• 18:57
  What else can I eat for sure?
• 18:59
  This is the weirdest thing.
• 19:01
  They were uninterested in talking to me.
• 19:03
  They were not.
• 19:04
  They were like, we don't have anything about for you.
• 19:06
  I was also uninsured.
• 19:07
  So that was part of it.
• 19:08
  But they just did not know what to do with me.
• 19:10
  Because they still buy my lambs and my imaging.
• 19:13
  I was too sick and too far gone.
• 19:15
  My kidneys had shut down.
• 19:17
  So they were afraid to give me in the typical drugs for this.
• 19:19
  My liver slowly had, yeah.
• 19:21
  So exactly.
• 19:22
  So now I can look back and go.
• 19:23
  Well, that was also a blessing in the skies.
• 19:26
  But all of these pieces later,
• 19:28
  it's like no one knew what to do with me.
• 19:30
  When I started to live.
• 19:32
  Frankly, I didn't know what to do with me.
• 19:34
  And so I just had fast forward all these years later.
• 19:36
  It wasn't until 2012.
• 19:39
  That he finally started to share my story a little bit.
• 19:41
  And even though I never, when I went to medical school,
• 19:44
  I was never.
• 19:45
  So this will drive you to medical school?
• 19:46
  It did.
• 19:47
  Yeah, it did.
• 19:48
  So you waited till you got well or when,
• 19:49
  you know, which is, which was crazy.
• 19:51
  I was still very, very sick.
• 19:52
  And you're in, you're in medical school or pre-med,
• 19:55
  when you're in your pre-med.
• 19:56
  And but I was pre-med to go to conventional medical school.
• 19:59
  That was what my training.
• 20:00
  I was looking at Baylor.
• 20:02
  And that's where I was planning to go.
• 20:03
  And like all these pieces here were coming together.
• 20:05
  And I then had to hide my diagnosis.
• 20:09
  Or this is my belief system at the time.
• 20:11
  Because I had this fear that they would kick me out of school.
• 20:14
  Right?
• 20:15
  That they wouldn't allow me to take.
• 20:16
  That's probably what they may have.
• 20:17
  Oh, what do we keep seeing?
• 20:18
  They always wonder.
• 20:19
  It's like, hey, what is it?
• 20:21
  Like, I'm trying to think about it.
• 20:22
  Is it the opposite of God's energy?
• 20:25
  Is it the opposite of normal thought?
• 20:27
  Like, what is that?
• 20:29
  Because when you look at like all the things you're saying
• 20:32
  are 100% true, right?
• 20:34
  There's nothing that no one can argue at this point.
• 20:37
  If you're saying of saying mind, yeah, yeah, no,
• 20:40
  you can have psychological blots that you allow
• 20:43
  to receive this information.
• 20:44
  Because you have to protect your sanity.
• 20:48
  Because when someone who's sacrificed their whole life
• 20:51
  to be a medical doctor and now has to believe
• 20:54
  that what you're saying is true,
• 20:55
  everything they're living is a lie.
• 20:57
  And your brain and your dissonance.
• 20:59
  Yes, you can't.
• 21:00
  It's too hard.
• 21:01
  So yeah, and the whole thing, you know,
• 21:03
  this is why you don't judge.
• 21:04
  You never know what caused someone to be who they are.
• 21:07
  Right?
• 21:07
  You never know.
• 21:08
  Like, there's so much sexual abuse.
• 21:10
  There's alcoholism and you're seeing these manifestants
• 21:13
  of a behavior in an adult and you're judging them.
• 21:15
  But you don't know where they came from.
• 21:16
  No matter what's happening in the world.
• 21:18
  So that's, that goes off into like,
• 21:22
  but that's when you're alive, when you can feel.
• 21:26
  And that's the whole point of healing.
• 21:28
  That's the whole point of what you do.
• 21:30
  When we talk about this off camera,
• 21:32
  it's love that's doing the healing.
• 21:34
  God that's doing it healing.
• 21:35
  And we just, we're getting people reconnected
• 21:38
  to nature into the synergy of how it makes us resilient.
• 21:42
  Because when you're in the sunshine,
• 21:43
  it's firing your mitochondria.
• 21:44
  When you're on the ground,
• 21:45
  you're getting antioxidant and frequencies of healing.
• 21:49
  And it's lowering your risk of disease.
• 21:50
  And it's connecting you to energies and frequencies
• 21:54
  that heal your body.
• 21:55
  And it's getting you into parasympathetic
• 21:57
  where you can rest and digest and heal.
• 21:59
  And you're, it gives you joy, you know?
• 22:01
  And it's, we're living in this fake world
• 22:04
  of with fake medications and synthetic everything.
• 22:08
  And we're supposed to thrive inside of that.
• 22:10
  Yeah.
• 22:11
  Like, guys, if you're listening to this,
• 22:13
  like stop, stop, do what's right.
• 22:16
  Do what's in your gut.
• 22:17
  Like you did, right?
• 22:19
  You knew.
• 22:19
  Yeah, you know?
• 22:20
  Well, and even the mean I didn't,
• 22:22
  I just knew that they said there's something
• 22:23
  can be done.
• 22:24
  So I'm like, okay, I want to understand what's going on then,
• 22:26
  right?
• 22:26
  And then my accidental fasting started
• 22:29
  to have some miraculous changes in my being
• 22:31
  that got me then curious to read.
• 22:34
  And so the first book I picked up after all of this,
• 22:36
  after everyone's saying, you're done,
• 22:38
  you're done, you're gone for,
• 22:40
  was a book in 1991.
• 22:41
  Am I you?
• 22:42
  Okay.
• 22:43
  A book by some guy,
• 22:43
  I couldn't even pronounce today.
• 22:44
  And I had no idea who this person was.
• 22:46
  No one did at the time.
• 22:47
  By a man, a man by the name of Deepak Chopra.
• 22:51
  And a book, please.
• 22:52
  Right, right, right.
• 22:53
  And a book called Quantum Healing.
• 22:55
  Yeah.
• 22:55
  And I sat down on the floor in my little public library
• 22:58
  in a small mountain town in the fall of 1991
• 23:01
  and I inhaled that book in two hours.
• 23:03
  And I literally sat there to have my own quantum healing
• 23:06
  because it spoke to all these components.
• 23:08
  It talked about this,
• 23:09
  this like people having a paradigm shift in an instant.
• 23:13
  And that's what happened for me.
• 23:14
  It was very like medically data,
• 23:16
  scientific premed in that role.
• 23:19
  Very, you know, agnostic atheistic,
• 23:21
  you know, in that zone as well.
• 23:22
  Like, there's nothing more.
• 23:24
  It's very Newtonian, you know,
• 23:26
  or, you know, let's be very black and white.
• 23:28
  That was, yeah, your nose here,
• 23:29
  then your energy's gone.
• 23:30
  Yeah, it was just like that was my world construct.
• 23:33
  It's really even hard to say that
• 23:34
  because it's so,
• 23:35
  I kind of think of my life before BC,
• 23:38
  for cancer and in AC, you know, like after cancer
• 23:41
  because they really are completely different worlds.
• 23:44
  So the way I heal and experience the world
• 23:47
  and those around me.
• 23:49
  And I'm constantly in awe.
• 23:51
  It's like, it's such a stretch to try and remember.
• 23:53
  I mean, I'll be 54 here in a few days.
• 23:55
  And I, first I never thought I'd see my 20, you know,
• 24:00
  the really deep into my 20th birthday.
• 24:02
  Um, I definitely didn't expect to see 50th, right?
• 24:06
  And here we are into the 50th decade.
• 24:08
  You look great.
• 24:09
  You have a, a, g, a,
• 24:11
  oh, that's weird.
• 24:12
  We're talking about little plays and dedication.
• 24:14
  You're still communicating.
• 24:15
  You're still like, like I'm, I'm, I'm a little foggy
• 24:18
  in this toxic, you know, environment.
• 24:20
  There's so much mold.
• 24:21
  And I've had friends that are sick now and leaving.
• 24:24
  And I mean, have an air filter running.
• 24:25
  Yeah, I think so.
• 24:26
  Yeah.
• 24:27
  It's, we're doing this podcast and like we did before.
• 24:30
  It was all like, hey, we're, we're getting in the flow
• 24:33
  state. I'm not worried about my brain.
• 24:35
  We're getting into quantum.
• 24:36
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:37
  So, so was it quantum healing that was that the cracks?
• 24:41
  Yeah.
• 24:42
  What really?
• 24:43
  Well, it gave me, so I, it started to give me a new construct.
• 24:48
  Yeah.
• 24:48
  It started to resonate with something that was just intuitive.
• 24:51
  It's innate.
• 24:51
  Like we are the expression of nature, you know, which for me,
• 24:56
  that is where I find God.
• 24:58
  That is where I can be with God.
• 24:59
  Because to me, that is the most divine expression
• 25:02
  of God and God's love is nature.
• 25:04
  And the world you alluded to this, but today we are living
• 25:08
  as far away from nature, basically, as possible.
• 25:11
  Yeah.
• 25:12
  And every decision in every area, and that's the norm.
• 25:15
  And then you're a whack job.
• 25:16
  Yeah.
• 25:17
  So we were counting on that.
• 25:18
  You see the movement.
• 25:19
  The regenerative farming.
• 25:20
  Yeah.
• 25:21
  It's like, it's crazy.
• 25:22
  Exactly.
• 25:23
  I mean, that's why we're going to Zach.
• 25:24
  I thought he was crazy.
• 25:25
  I know.
• 25:26
  10 years ago.
• 25:27
  Yeah.
• 25:28
  And I'm like, Dr. Zach Bush, you should get along.
• 25:29
  Yeah.
• 25:30
  I used to think he was a nut job.
• 25:31
  I'm like, wait too many mushroom journey.
• 25:32
  If they were for that guy, like what the heck?
• 25:33
  And now I'm listening to them.
• 25:34
  And they're going, wait a minute.
• 25:35
  The frequency of ferns, it opens up the pores of trees so they
• 25:39
  can respire CO2 and oxygen.
• 25:41
  And I'm like, what?
• 25:42
  And this is a study.
• 25:43
  Yeah.
• 25:44
  Like that.
• 25:45
  It's that, that symphony is that divine that the bird's
• 25:49
  songs are necessary for trees that thrive and survive.
• 25:52
  And we think that we can drop glyphosate, or you're in it.
• 25:55
  So they, yeah.
• 25:56
  Do we think we can put a chemo drug into a soul and think
• 26:00
  that that's not going to affect the rest of the humanity?
• 26:02
  Yeah.
• 26:03
  We're going to poison someone back into health, especially
• 26:06
  at the level of the mitochondria, which
• 26:09
  is something that evolved from tens of thousands of years
• 26:14
  ago, potentially hundreds of thousands years ago,
• 26:16
  based on some scientists' understanding.
• 26:19
  But those little organelles, little organs in our cells
• 26:25
  came from bacterium.
• 26:27
  And they make up upwards of 20% in some of us
• 26:31
  of our body composition.
• 26:33
  So there is significant.
• 26:34
  Are we mercy bacteria?
• 26:35
  And exactly.
• 26:36
  We're mercy bacteria anyway.
• 26:37
  We are far more bacterial cells than ribosinous cells.
• 26:40
  And so when we think about that, we
• 26:42
  think about when people like Dr. Don Cooper
• 26:44
  started to sound the alarm in the late 1960s
• 26:47
  of what he was seeing in a lab in the glyphosate,
• 26:51
  the roundup world started shouting out,
• 26:53
  when guys were this problem, like this herbicide
• 26:58
  is going to change the planet as we know it
• 27:01
  if we move forward.
• 27:02
  And here we are.
• 27:04
  All these years later, first of all,
• 27:06
  that herb is still very much alive.
• 27:07
  In his 90s, he is coming to our conference
• 27:10
  in a couple of weeks.
• 27:11
  I'm speaking, you're going to have to zack both.
• 27:13
  The shot is one of our theme in a fly-in fly-out.
• 27:16
  You do, you know, on Tucson's easy.
• 27:17
  And so we've got a whole entire panelist
• 27:20
  of regenerative farmers.
• 27:21
  That is just you can't bring the farmer
• 27:23
  and you have to bring the farmers in the dark.
• 27:25
  No, that's here for regenerative farming.
• 27:27
  How am I?
• 27:27
  We're building a hospital on an organic 12-minute-acre
• 27:30
  organic regenerative farm.
• 27:31
  You are building, you know, on college.
• 27:33
  We're raising funds for that now.
• 27:35
  And so you do use some medicines, right?
• 27:37
  Absolutely. There's a type of these.
• 27:38
  Yeah, here's where.
• 27:39
  So these medicines, these chemotherapy agents,
• 27:42
  you know, many chemotherapy agents,
• 27:44
  like taxing drugs come from the Pacific U-Tree.
• 27:48
  Yeah, they're from literature.
• 27:49
  Vincotoxins come from Periwinkle.
• 27:52
  There's most of our pharmacopia, 80% or better.
• 27:57
  Come from nature.
• 27:58
  And then we've manipulated them in a lab
• 28:00
  so we can slack a patent on them
• 28:02
  and make them bajillion dollars, right?
• 28:04
  And they're very inexpensive drugs.
• 28:05
  To marry an expensive, oh my goodness.
• 28:07
  And that's right.
• 28:08
  So the margins talk about Rhoaz.
• 28:10
  It's Matt would turn on ad spend.
• 28:13
  Yeah, no, you know, we're doing
• 28:16
  on investment ROI, you know what I mean?
• 28:18
  It's massive.
• 28:19
  It's massive.
• 28:19
  It costs him a buck to make a vow.
• 28:21
  And they sell it for a thousand.
• 28:22
  Yeah, and the crazy part, they're like,
• 28:23
  we're gonna make this chemotherapy out of this herb.
• 28:27
  Then we're gonna patent that chemotherapy.
• 28:30
  And then we're going to completely discredit the herb.
• 28:33
  You have it epilately.
• 28:34
  Say those people are clacks who use that
• 28:35
  or despike the fact that you've been told
• 28:38
  you're a quaffee using misotoxish.
• 28:40
  The oldest, most studied,
• 28:42
  integrative oncology treatment in the world
• 28:45
  that is on the pharmacopia of every single country
• 28:48
  except for the United States.
• 28:51
  And in the United States, I had colleagues just last month
• 28:54
  who had their clinics rated in Ohio
• 28:59
  from the pharmaceutical board,
• 29:00
  shame on you, Ohio Pharmacy Board,
• 29:03
  saying that these women were,
• 29:04
  so they made a big public hurrah out of it
• 29:06
  and basically, yeah, make them a, yeah, yeah.
• 29:09
  And I'm saying that they were causing harm.
• 29:12
  This drug, this mistletoe extract has been used
• 29:16
  consistently since 1917 in the same form
• 29:19
  that we use it in today.
• 29:20
  It is, if you have cancer and you live in Germany
• 29:23
  or Switzerland, 80% of cancer patients
• 29:25
  will use this at some point in their cancer care
• 29:28
  and it's covered by their medical system.
• 29:31
  If you live in the rest of Europe,
• 29:32
  you have about a 40% chance of using this at some point
• 29:34
  and some of the countries in the EU do cover it.
• 29:39
  But it's widely available.
• 29:41
  South America is the second largest user of this,
• 29:44
  the third largest user of this is Southeast Asia.
• 29:47
  The only, Canada has a complete right,
• 29:49
  it's part of their drug, you know, pharmacopia as well.
• 29:53
  It is illegal in the United States,
• 29:56
  despite the fact that there are three, no, two,
• 29:59
  two, five reviews, which is the highest level
• 30:02
  of validation scientific rigor.
• 30:05
  It also has gone through a phase one clinical trial
• 30:08
  with pre-approval of phase two and three funding pending
• 30:11
  for mistletoe at Hopkins.
• 30:13
  We have a book that we wrote for clinicians
• 30:15
  as a resource and references to show all the data
• 30:20
  and the research behind this.
• 30:21
  And yet all that data given to the Ohio Pharmacy Board,
• 30:25
  they refused to even look at it.
• 30:27
  And they're not, they're not, they're not.
• 30:29
  They're not.
• 30:29
  And one of the doctors, they had to pay $100,000 fine
• 30:33
  and she said, I'm gonna pay the fine
• 30:35
  and I'm gonna keep giving this to my patients
• 30:37
  because this helps.
• 30:40
  And the crazy thing is you don't use it instead
• 30:42
  of you use it with standard of care
• 30:45
  because it potentiates the standard of care.
• 30:46
  It protects the bone marrow.
• 30:48
  It protects the organs of elimination.
• 30:51
  It protects the psychology of the patient.
• 30:55
  It creates extreme quality of life.
• 30:56
  It's lowers the fatigue.
• 30:58
  There are literally thousands of studies
• 31:00
  of this plant from for decades, decades.
• 31:04
  And yet in this country, it's illegal.
• 31:08
  We use it as an off label so we can get by it.
• 31:10
  And so Ohio is the first state
• 31:12
  that has now come actively against some of our doctors
• 31:15
  using this but we will fight that.
• 31:17
  We will overcome that because that is darkness.
• 31:19
  That is not light at an action.
• 31:22
  That is not protecting anybody but the interests of Pharma.
• 31:26
  And they, when I see things like this happening,
• 31:28
  that tells me that we are touching a nerve.
• 31:31
  They know that we are, I know that they are industry.
• 31:37
  Specifically Pharma and Ag, big Pharma, big Ag.
• 31:39
  Those are the two biggest-
• 31:41
  And the answer with-
• 31:42
  With, with I think it.
• 31:43
  They can scare the junk out of you if you're not in a lawsuit.
• 31:46
  They can, absolutely.
• 31:47
  I mean, too, that's what happened to these two doctors.
• 31:49
  They bullied them into this,
• 31:51
  but both of them are still persevering.
• 31:53
  And that's where it's like this is what-
• 31:55
  And it was so like, what if you realize how strong someone has to be?
• 31:59
  How much love you have to have for humanity
• 32:01
  to fight against someone that's literally taking out your lifestyle?
• 32:04
  Like you could lose everything.
• 32:07
  Like everything you're home, you know, the friends,
• 32:11
  like you're labeled and this is why you have to be connected.
• 32:15
  Big time both these women are.
• 32:16
  And both of these women, their patients are coming to bat.
• 32:18
  Our community of doctors that they train are coming to bat.
• 32:21
  Our organizations around us, like the compounding pharmacists
• 32:25
  and the people who put the mistletoe,
• 32:28
  manufacturers in Europe, the other pharmacy boards,
• 32:31
  even people from the Health and Human Services Committees
• 32:34
  are all rallying.
• 32:35
  This will not stop us.
• 32:38
  In fact, it's only, it's the double-dog daregine
• 32:42
  is they're activated.
• 32:44
  We put down our case of beer.
• 32:46
  Yeah, I'm sorry to get the bunch of us.
• 32:48
  It's like we're like a West Side Story moment.
• 32:51
  You're not rolling over, you're going for it.
• 32:53
  And, you know, but there's, you know,
• 32:57
  in this space, there's so many times like someone told me
• 32:59
  like Dr. Puitart potentially was poisoned.
• 33:02
  And like who knows?
• 33:03
  Like it's, you know, you can say that,
• 33:04
  that this is the level of, like folks, if you're listening
• 33:08
  to this, this is your, your, your, the box has been opened.
• 33:12
  Yeah, there's nothing, oh my gosh.
• 33:13
  Like I didn't know, like I know it's bad,
• 33:15
  but then I, when you get into the cancer area,
• 33:18
  because it really, there's so much air off it there.
• 33:20
  And if you mention that word.
• 33:22
  Yeah, and we're not allowed.
• 33:24
  So unless you, you are not allowed to say you treat cancer
• 33:27
  unless you were a board-certified standard of care
• 33:30
  and colleges, or a board-certified dental surgeon.
• 33:33
  So I want to be really clear for you in your listeners,
• 33:35
  I don't treat cancer.
• 33:37
  I don't teach my doctors how to treat cancer.
• 33:39
  We treat the terrain.
• 33:42
  We treat the environment in which the cancer expressed.
• 33:45
  That's, that's all, that's all.
• 33:47
  And when we do that, what we're doing is we're returning
• 33:50
  the body and the being in the soul back to,
• 33:53
  back to its highest good, back to its,
• 33:56
  this beautiful orchestra that you described earlier
• 34:00
  that it was just meant to be.
• 34:01
  It's like, why is it that we, when I left medical school,
• 34:05
  I think it was one, well, first of all,
• 34:07
  at the turn of the century, it was at the, the 1900s.
• 34:10
  It was one in 200.
• 34:12
  We had cancer rates.
• 34:14
  By the time I started practice,
• 34:16
  it had gone up to one in eight.
• 34:19
  That's, that was a big jump in a short period of time.
• 34:22
  But that's post-industrial food revolution.
• 34:25
  That's post-World War II, where we took all the left over AMO
• 34:27
  and invested it into big ag and big varma
• 34:30
  and everything changed.
• 34:32
  That's before we started bringing plastics, hormones,
• 34:35
  food, like the way we process our food,
• 34:37
  the 80,000 plus chemicals that have not been tested,
• 34:41
  massive amounts of sugar, especially highly,
• 34:43
  processed sugar and ultra processed foods,
• 34:46
  glycosate, COVID vaccines, microRNA, and injections,
• 34:50
  because they're not vaccines, like these are the types of things
• 34:52
  that have been brought to our world
• 34:54
  that did not exist a generation or two ago.
• 34:57
  And so now to watch it coming up up the step of one in 200
• 35:01
  to one in eight, you're like, who I could see that?
• 35:03
  But it's now one in two.
• 35:05
  It is a flip of a coin that you're going to meet
• 35:08
  a diagnosis of cancer in your lifetime.
• 35:10
  And when you treat its terrain
• 35:12
  from what I know of your work,
• 35:13
  it's you get to just some create, not crazy, miraculous,
• 35:17
  the body is miraculous.
• 35:18
  Yeah, yeah.
• 35:19
  And so we all enter cancer an average of seven to 10 times
• 35:23
  years, that's what's theorized out there
• 35:26
  that we kind of go in and out of it, but our bodies
• 35:27
  do an amazing job surveilling.
• 35:29
  So recognizing, responding, and remembering
• 35:33
  to know what to do, so that's your immune system, right?
• 35:35
  But when that gets dismantled,
• 35:37
  because of various changes in things like your microbiome,
• 35:39
  probably the most influential impact on our immune system
• 35:43
  is what's happening in microbiome.
• 35:45
  Now, coming back to the fact that we rolled out,
• 35:48
  remember that we're mitochondria, very heavily mitochondria
• 35:52
  rich, which were bacteria inside of us.
• 35:54
  So thinking bacteria, we rolled out
• 35:57
  a particular big pharma product to kill weeds,
• 36:02
  but also quick ripening.
• 36:04
  You're the orshikamit, Pev.
• 36:05
  Yeah, the shikamit pathway, guys.
• 36:07
  What then has happened is you basically
• 36:09
  brought on a massive antibiotic to Mother Earth.
• 36:11
  Yeah, it is.
• 36:12
  It is a matter of time.
• 36:13
  It's a hat and to do it, and about it, yeah, yeah.
• 36:15
  So when you think about that show,
• 36:16
  we'll just think about at least, you know,
• 36:19
  knowing that we're mostly bacteria.
• 36:20
  How do you, like, just intuitively and stinkedly
• 36:25
  common sense should tell you, does it seem like a good idea
• 36:29
  that we are all consuming, whether we know it or not,
• 36:33
  massive amounts of antibiotics on a daily basis,
• 36:36
  air, water, soil.
• 36:38
  It's an everything.
• 36:39
  It's in our rain.
• 36:40
  So if you're been swiping out our soil,
• 36:42
  which is what Zach Bush talked about,
• 36:44
  and not that bacteria, which is what the plants need,
• 36:47
  the bugs need to create need interconnection.
• 36:49
  Yeah, like, and so you can't, without bacteria,
• 36:52
  we can't chew on CO2 without the bacteria.
• 36:55
  We can't break down the minerals in the soil
• 36:58
  to put it back in the plants that work with the nematodes
• 37:00
  and the symphony once again, the terrain.
• 37:03
  Exactly.
• 37:04
  And we are the terrain.
• 37:05
  We are, we are an extension,
• 37:07
  where there is no difference of what's happening
• 37:09
  on in us to what's happening on our planet.
• 37:12
  And if you don't, this is the thing is a lot of people
• 37:14
  who are like, well, I'm not going to go
• 37:15
  and learn about environmental medicine,
• 37:16
  or I'm not going to, who cares about region ag,
• 37:18
  or what, you know, people get super excited
• 37:20
  about whatever niche they're in,
• 37:22
  but you cannot heal a body if you do not heal the planet,
• 37:26
  the plants, the animals, and to me it's all interconnected.
• 37:31
  And that's what we've done.
• 37:32
  The cart started us off on this area,
• 37:34
  separation and polarization and, you know,
• 37:38
  sort of funnel vision on and all,
• 37:40
  that we're coming full circle to expand it back
• 37:43
  to what the indigenous peoples have been telling us all along,
• 37:46
  right, that we are of nature,
• 37:48
  and that we are, and it is our true nature to be vital.
• 37:54
  And so that's the place that I think is happening
• 37:57
  around the globe right now that's different.
• 37:59
  I mean, I've been saying these things for 30 some years,
• 38:01
  as a naturopop that I was perceived as the weird quacko,
• 38:04
  you know, saying these things,
• 38:05
  the sciences are catching up, people in the planet,
• 38:08
  the patients are waking up,
• 38:10
  they are demanding a different paradigm.
• 38:12
  It's here, it really is.
• 38:13
  So that's the exciting thing you're like,
• 38:14
  I thought, you know, Zach was a little,
• 38:16
  yeah, 15 years ago, a little wacky, you know,
• 38:19
  but now I'm like, yeah, that son of a bitch,
• 38:21
  was there a, like, I used to think he was a wack job,
• 38:24
  I was just not listening, I wasn't seeing,
• 38:28
  and the word is listening and seeing,
• 38:30
  and even guys like me, all sciencey, like 50 years old,
• 38:33
  just turned 50, like, what's the, what's the iPhone about?
• 38:36
  You know, what's, is it really this endless cycle
• 38:39
  of striving for lies?
• 38:42
  It's all a lie.
• 38:43
  I, you know, Zach talks about this as well,
• 38:46
  but you know, when you work with cancer,
• 38:48
  you will inevitably be around death as well.
• 38:51
  Like it's just, it is a life cycle.
• 38:52
  We're all gonna meet that someday.
• 38:55
  It's just that some, you know, it depends on, you know,
• 38:58
  when, where, how, what, and go, none of us know, right?
• 39:01
  We can't tell someone up, you're gonna be gone.
• 39:04
  And you know, like even those stories get put out in here,
• 39:07
  but the reality is, is that not a single patient
• 39:10
  I've ever been with in the last, you know,
• 39:12
  months, weeks, days, moments before they take their last breath,
• 39:17
  have ever said, I wish I'd worked more,
• 39:19
  I've accomplished this, I wish it comes always
• 39:22
  back down to love, always, always.
• 39:26
  I'd never, you, and I always say the back,
• 39:29
  on two occasions, challenging deaths to be witnessed to
• 39:32
  and to be part of were folks who were really stuck
• 39:38
  in, in, in resisting love.
• 39:42
  And you know, they were hard deaths to witness.
• 39:46
  They were really hard deaths, and they weren't ready,
• 39:49
  which made it even harder.
• 39:50
  I mean, no one's ever ready per se,
• 39:53
  but there's this place that happens,
• 39:55
  you see that shift.
• 39:57
  When someone realizes, I'm not going anywhere,
• 39:59
  I'm going everywhere.
• 40:01
  Like there is just this, like,
• 40:02
  I've been around people, and a few people,
• 40:05
  and you've been around many, yeah.
• 40:06
  But I literally, the energy, I start weeping.
• 40:09
  I like, there's so much love in this room,
• 40:11
  and I didn't know what it was,
• 40:12
  back, you know, this is again 10, 15 years ago,
• 40:14
  I'm like, why am I crying?
• 40:15
  What, what is on you?
• 40:17
  Like, what, like, what is this?
• 40:19
  You know, I mean, I just, it's got, right?
• 40:21
  It's like, there's a connection
• 40:23
  between heaven and earth and their body
• 40:25
  as they're transitioning.
• 40:26
  And we get a witness, we get a bear witness,
• 40:28
  about something, it's crazy.
• 40:29
  It's almost like, it's like a loving conviction,
• 40:32
  and it's like, whoa, wait a minute, I'm missing out.
• 40:34
  Like, yeah, I'm missing out on something here.
• 40:36
  You're not paying attention, I'll miss it in.
• 40:38
  And then in all of our striving,
• 40:39
  and all of our sympathetic, we just were numb to it.
• 40:42
  And that's why breath work, or afraid of it.
• 40:44
  Yeah, or afraid of it, because, you know,
• 40:46
  you are afraid, like, when I, yeah, it is scary.
• 40:49
  That's it when you say yes to the love,
• 40:51
  move, everything, everything does change.
• 40:53
  And it's, you know, it's so terrific.
• 40:56
  It's kind of like, like, if someone's listening to this,
• 40:58
  it's like, what the hell are you doing?
• 40:59
  I'm about, are you off on some other planet?
• 41:01
  I'm like, such once was I, you know,
• 41:04
  I used to judge them, thank you, you're judging me.
• 41:06
  That's fine, you know, I mean, I'm okay with that,
• 41:08
  because I did it too, right?
• 41:09
  That it is, there is this frequency of love
• 41:11
  that when you tap into it, it does, it does the healing.
• 41:15
  You know, you make me think of a,
• 41:16
  I used to host cancer retreats.
• 41:17
  And so in those, my husband, my sister-in-law,
• 41:20
  and I would host these cancer retreats.
• 41:23
  So we would take women, at that time you were just women,
• 41:25
  and we would, and then they expanded over time.
• 41:27
  But we would just take women,
• 41:29
  we'd gather them on a Friday evening, four p.m.,
• 41:31
  and we'd finish up at 10 a.m. on a Monday morning.
• 41:34
  We would do labs before we'd all get together
• 41:36
  for these weekends, and then we'd do labs a week after.
• 41:39
  So we could see the objective changes,
• 41:41
  as well as the subjective changes,
• 41:43
  as well as turn it into, you know,
• 41:45
  an educational, experiential process,
• 41:48
  which is what actually led to my book,
• 41:49
  The Metabolic Approach to Cancer.
• 41:50
  So what I would teach in that four day,
• 41:53
  or two and a half day experience,
• 41:55
  was basically the blueprint
• 41:58
  for what became the metabolic approach to cancer.
• 42:00
  But what was really interesting is,
• 42:02
  I got to see in real time what I called my version
• 42:04
  of the CBC, which is circadian rhythm.
• 42:07
  We would get everyone really reconnected,
• 42:09
  understand like, where are we in the cycle of the moon?
• 42:11
  Where are we in the cycle of the seasons?
• 42:12
  Where are we in the cycle of your life?
• 42:14
  Where are we in the cycle?
• 42:15
  It may be your mincees or no longer mincees,
• 42:17
  or wherever you are in the sort of the season
• 42:20
  of your femininity, you know,
• 42:21
  all of those cases we'd connect there.
• 42:23
  We'd also make sure that the lighting was right
• 42:26
  and how we were exposing ourselves to the lighting
• 42:27
  and we had blackout curtains and we were educating
• 42:30
  like empowering them about how to harness light,
• 42:32
  you know, and use it when, why and where.
• 42:35
  And then diet, we would show them how to eat
• 42:38
  locally, seasonally, regionally, organically,
• 42:40
  you know, as clean and as close to nature
• 42:41
  as close to its original source as possible.
• 42:44
  And specific to my population,
• 42:45
  it's always wise to curb restrict everybody
• 42:48
  because that's an extra lever you can utilize
• 42:50
  to help potentially add other therapies.
• 42:52
  So we would have them on a very low carbohydrate diet
• 42:55
  and then we also practiced a little bit of intermittent fasting.
• 42:58
  So that was the part of the diet piece of sharing
• 43:00
  like breaking bread together.
• 43:01
  Of course, we weren't bringing bread
• 43:02
  but got like being together in these places
• 43:05
  and then the finals, these community.
• 43:06
  And that's where the magic was,
• 43:08
  is these, we could have just sat there and done nothing
• 43:11
  and we would have seen extreme healing happen
• 43:13
  because it was people on a journey
• 43:15
  that seemed so insurmountable and so frightening,
• 43:19
  like tapping into that parasympathetic together
• 43:24
  that oxytocin together.
• 43:27
  And so we're like, here's the real CDC.
• 43:29
  This is what you're gonna take home from this weekend.
• 43:31
  So one of these weekends, I don't know,
• 43:34
  I probably done maybe a dozen or so of these gatherings.
• 43:36
  And I was, we were in circle
• 43:40
  and we were all kind of going around
• 43:40
  what we were grateful for.
• 43:42
  And just the day before that gathering,
• 43:44
  I literally held in my arms like a baby,
• 43:48
  one of my patients that she took her,
• 43:50
  as she took her last breath.
• 43:51
  And it was divine, like she prepared for her dying
• 43:58
  in such a way that like goals,
• 44:02
  right, like as she was so beautiful,
• 44:04
  how she prepared for this and how she set it up
• 44:07
  in such reverence, it was the most beautiful
• 44:09
  and healing experience ever.
• 44:11
  It was so gentle and powerful.
• 44:13
  And I was just reflecting on that
• 44:14
  and the surplus a lot of the women in this group
• 44:16
  knew her or knew of her.
• 44:18
  And so I was speaking to her,
• 44:20
  but it just hit me in that moment
• 44:22
  that in the early part of my career,
• 44:25
  I thought I wanted to be a midwife.
• 44:27
  And I delivered 36 babies.
• 44:30
  And I realized, oh my gosh,
• 44:32
  this is such an incredible experience,
• 44:34
  but I will never sleep again.
• 44:35
  And I sleep is how I repair.
• 44:38
  And it was like realizing that this is something
• 44:40
  I really love to do,
• 44:41
  but it will cause me harm in the short and long term.
• 44:43
  And so I stepped away from that.
• 44:45
  And in that moment that I was there with a circle
• 44:47
  and I were meant reflected on Maria, Maria,
• 44:50
  on Garreal, I realized that at that moment,
• 44:54
  her death was the 36th death I had been part of.
• 44:59
  And I realized in that moment
• 45:00
  when you were holding her baby,
• 45:01
  I was holding her, she or I could be the,
• 45:03
  you know, my arms and Ed Schum left this planet
• 45:06
  and less this plane.
• 45:07
  And I realized in that moment
• 45:10
  that the portal, the doorway is exactly the same.
• 45:12
  It's you share the same doorway
• 45:14
  of entering this world and exiting this world.
• 45:18
  And that it is just as beautiful and just as terrifying
• 45:22
  and just as scary, you know,
• 45:25
  but also the so much love,
• 45:29
  like it was just that moment.
• 45:30
  And it did something for me.
• 45:32
  This is probably back in 2013, I believe.
• 45:35
  It shook something free in me
• 45:37
  that just really changed my perspective of death and dying.
• 45:40
  Yeah.
• 45:41
  In a way that I fired down a lot of work around that,
• 45:44
  especially my own.
• 45:45
  And suddenly it was like, this is the same doorway.
• 45:48
  We all get to walk through it twice, you know what I mean?
• 45:51
  It's so simple and so beautiful, so beautiful.
• 45:53
  But it's not the how we process it right now, isn't that?
• 45:58
  We do everything, especially in my population
• 46:02
  that people I serve.
• 46:03
  So many people are so afraid of dying
• 46:07
  that they are not living.
• 46:08
  And that could be true for anything beyond cancer as well.
• 46:11
  But if you definitely are facing your mortality
• 46:13
  in some situation,
• 46:15
  that can be so overwhelming to the nervous system
• 46:19
  and so putting into that oat system overdrive,
• 46:22
  there's no way, no matter how good the treatment is,
• 46:25
  no matter how good the standard of care
• 46:26
  or the alternative or the integrative
• 46:28
  or how good the spiritual practice
• 46:30
  or how good the diet or the lifestyle or whatever,
• 46:33
  if they are still living in fear, fear is the antidote to love.
• 46:41
  Love is the antidote to fear.
• 46:42
  They can't coexist that one has to push out the other.
• 46:47
  It's a strange day and so.
• 46:49
  And I've experienced it.
• 46:50
  Like so if I'm worried about life,
• 46:52
  like worried about like my children and my family
• 46:54
  or being the father they want to be
• 46:56
  or worried about my wife being upset with me
• 46:59
  because I'm disconnected today
• 47:01
  or worried about finances,
• 47:04
  every time I get connected to my parasympathetic,
• 47:07
  I come out of that zero fear, zero, like zero worry.
• 47:13
  And I'm like, it's all gonna be okay.
• 47:15
  So one of the greatest gifts you can give yourself
• 47:18
  is getting into your parasympathetic.
• 47:19
  Absolutely.
• 47:20
  Getting connected to the frequency of love in your life
• 47:23
  that's surrounding all of us.
• 47:25
  This portal, if you will, is open to us all.
• 47:29
  And it sounds wacky, but I get it finally.
• 47:32
  And it's really special and I get to share boldly.
• 47:35
  Like if I'm gonna share anything,
• 47:36
  that's the message I'm gonna share.
• 47:37
  That's what I'm gonna be known for.
• 47:39
  I mean, I'm gonna like the three, three.
• 47:42
  I feel like I'm in the 60s without all the sex.
• 47:44
  So three Costco's swaps, three toxins at Costco
• 47:48
  that I wouldn't ever, you know,
• 47:50
  is an environmental scientist.
• 47:52
  So all this stuff, it's little simple things,
• 47:55
  but ultimately, it's little tiny of expressions of love
• 48:00
  that I can share with people
• 48:01
  to let them get connected to that portal,
• 48:03
  to let them choose love for themselves.
• 48:05
  Make, eat something that's actually gonna be good for you.
• 48:08
  Don't live the lie of the fake.
• 48:10
  Don't split the lie of the fear
• 48:11
  that you don't have enough money
• 48:12
  so you have to buy the junk food.
• 48:14
  Don't, that doesn't work.
• 48:16
  It's the opposite, it's gonna give you.
• 48:18
  It's gonna give you less money.
• 48:20
  It's gonna give you more fear.
• 48:21
  It's gonna give you sickness.
• 48:23
  It's gonna give you disease.
• 48:24
  So when you're choosing these things
• 48:26
  and you're getting mad at me,
• 48:27
  like over a set, no, it's,
• 48:29
  you're choosing love for yourself.
• 48:31
  You're choosing nature
• 48:32
  and you're getting, these are little baby steps,
• 48:35
  you know, buying organic pitted dates.
• 48:37
  Costco versus the dough corn syrup,
• 48:42
  you know, glide to state laden, you know, whatever.
• 48:45
  Like that's one step closer to nature.
• 48:47
  You're moving closer to the portal.
• 48:49
  You're moving closer to God.
• 48:50
  Yeah, and that's, each step makes a huge difference.
• 48:53
  No matter how seemingly smaller and significant.
• 48:56
  Yes.
• 48:57
  And it's just going back remembering
• 49:00
  where we actually came from
• 49:02
  and remembering what is actually normal.
• 49:07
  Joel Soliton is someone that I adore
• 49:10
  in the region of the farming world.
• 49:11
  He's known as the lunatic farmer.
• 49:14
  He has a, I would like to meet him.
• 49:15
  But you have to meet him.
• 49:16
  He is, first.
• 49:17
  Let me guess he's gonna be at the event.
• 49:19
  He's not be speaking at another,
• 49:20
  but he's been on my podcast.
• 49:22
  The metabolic matter,
• 49:23
  you should go have a list.
• 49:23
  And he also read a book years ago,
• 49:25
  which is what I tweeted from about him in other places.
• 49:28
  But this book really spoke to me.
• 49:29
  It's called Folks the Saint Normal.
• 49:31
  And it talk about how we have normalized everything.
• 49:35
  And this is years ago,
• 49:36
  before it's even as wacky doodle as it is today.
• 49:39
  And I actually had a chance,
• 49:40
  I'm a very intimate group with about 12 bus cut
• 49:42
  to tour his polyface farms out in Virginia in July.
• 49:48
  And to see this man who since 1962
• 49:52
  has been a steward of this land
• 49:54
  that has never once had a chemical input.
• 49:57
  That he has been shut.
• 49:57
  And like he has, my husband, I got,
• 49:59
  my husband, a T-shirt from there
• 50:00
  that says everything I want to do is illegal.
• 50:02
  That's when I got from polyface farms.
• 50:04
  So things like raw milk,
• 50:06
  grass bed and grass binished cattle,
• 50:08
  illegal wild, wild heart,
• 50:10
  wild, beforeaging pigs,
• 50:12
  like, you know, chickens that aren't being bleached
• 50:15
  and things like that.
• 50:16
  So I laugh that that's what he's like.
• 50:17
  Everything I want to do is illegal.
• 50:18
  No, I love that.
• 50:19
  Unbleached chicken.
• 50:20
  It's illegal because you're gonna die here
• 50:21
  and dip in it and the bearer acts like,
• 50:23
  oh, so he is just incredible.
• 50:25
  And he came from his parents
• 50:28
  and he, like he grew up in somewhere in South America
• 50:31
  farmsteading until the government overthrew that area
• 50:34
  and he had a return to the US
• 50:35
  and they acquired this piece of property.
• 50:37
  He's in his family farm, never stents.
• 50:39
  That is never seen.
• 50:40
  So most regional farmers in this country
• 50:43
  have either learned or cycled through his property
• 50:45
  to learn these skills and walking around watching
• 50:49
  how much he can produce.
• 50:50
  He can produce like 64,000 chickens there a year
• 50:54
  to get harvested for the cleanest possible chicken
• 50:58
  that you can find.
• 50:59
  And we got to go and see how they're like,
• 51:00
  they are at as close to nature as it gets.
• 51:04
  Like, you know, these types of things,
• 51:05
  like there's, like, wow, just trust.
• 51:07
  Kind of, like, really, it's just this crazy impressive.
• 51:10
  So, washing his whole operation and people saying
• 51:13
  you have to do it on these massive scales
• 51:15
  to feed the world, it's simply not true.
• 51:17
  It's another lie.
• 51:18
  It's a lie.
• 51:19
  And it's a lie.
• 51:20
  We have to do big farming to save the planet
• 51:23
  and you pull it on our hardest strings.
• 51:25
  Yeah, we have to agree with factory farming
• 51:27
  because otherwise everyone, we can't feed the planet.
• 51:30
  There's no, we have to do it.
• 51:31
  Yeah.
• 51:32
  We have to because everyone's gonna die.
• 51:34
  And yeah, we had grain sitting in silos
• 51:37
  with mold and mycotoxides on it
• 51:39
  and then we may give that to somebody.
• 51:41
  But then we do animals that don't get sick
• 51:43
  and then we, and just lay them with toxins
• 51:45
  because the food's not even harvested, it's rotting.
• 51:48
  Bacteria is once again.
• 51:49
  I get exactly, not the right, but like it's old, yeah.
• 51:51
  Exactly.
• 51:52
  And so, this is the world we normalize
• 51:54
  the abnormal to such a degree
• 51:56
  that in your view and you're made to feel guilty of,
• 51:59
  yeah, to think differently.
• 52:00
  Yeah, you question.
• 52:01
  You're very, very mad.
• 52:02
  You already platformed.
• 52:03
  No, you are put, you know, you get on.
• 52:06
  So when someone told me a few years back,
• 52:07
  maybe 10 years ago, they're like,
• 52:08
  do you know you're on quack watch?
• 52:10
  And at first I was like, and then I thought,
• 52:12
  oh my god, I've meet it.
• 52:13
  Yeah, you make it real fun.
• 52:15
  That means I'm actually doing,
• 52:17
  is that guy even still around?
• 52:18
  He is, he is still around.
• 52:20
  You believe me?
• 52:21
  I keep waiting for his epiphany.
• 52:22
  I keep waiting for his wake up, you know,
• 52:24
  and I just keep setting him love and light
• 52:27
  because it ups me sad that he doesn't,
• 52:30
  he doesn't, first of all, I can't imagine,
• 52:34
  I can't imagine living in that world, that belief system.
• 52:38
  Yeah, it's really hard.
• 52:38
  You know, you start, we started kind of
• 52:41
  the conversation about miracles,
• 52:44
  our environmental conference,
• 52:45
  a big huge cancer conference,
• 52:47
  conventional cancer conference.
• 52:48
  And I'm at the back of the room standing more observing
• 52:50
  because I'm definitely not telling people
• 52:52
  I'm a naturopathic oncologist in this space.
• 52:54
  Like it is super buttoned up, you know,
• 52:56
  standard care oncology.
• 52:58
  And I see this oncologist asking,
• 52:59
  how many of you in this room have
• 53:01
  sageboard cancer patients in every single person,
• 53:03
  room, race, or any of this?
• 53:04
  How many of you seen any of those cancer patients
• 53:06
  go into remission?
• 53:07
  Like did you break your hand?
• 53:08
  No, I just thought they're taking advantage.
• 53:10
  I thought, you know, the stones will come.
• 53:13
  No, this is like 10 years ago, maybe 12 years ago.
• 53:16
  No one raised their hand.
• 53:17
  And I'm looking around the room,
• 53:20
  go in, I get to see these every day.
• 53:24
  So if you hit me in that moment,
• 53:26
  they don't get to see the miracles,
• 53:28
  I get to see every day.
• 53:30
  Or if they happen, like what happened with me,
• 53:34
  they don't want to hear about.
• 53:36
  So years later, when people,
• 53:38
  we should break down their paradigm and break down,
• 53:39
  their security breaks down the whole light purpose.
• 53:42
  Talking to a Taraleigh's,
• 53:43
  my conventional oncology friends,
• 53:44
  like why do you think this is with this room?
• 53:48
  Like I just realized in that moment
• 53:50
  that I get to see miracles every day.
• 53:53
  And, and, and partially because I expect them,
• 53:56
  I also look for them.
• 53:58
  These guys, they don't expect them
• 54:00
  and definitely don't look for them.
• 54:01
  And if they are sitting there right on their lab
• 54:03
  and right in their face,
• 54:05
  they wouldn't recognize them if they bit off the tip.
• 54:07
  It's sort of like, oh, just spontaneous foundations.
• 54:09
  Right, which people like my friend,
• 54:10
  Elliot Turner, her book, Rad of Bormition,
• 54:13
  Rad of Issues,
• 54:13
  wouldn't study 10,000 of these spontaneous remissions
• 54:17
  and realize there's nothing spontaneous about them at all.
• 54:20
  They're radical, people made radical changes
• 54:23
  in their lives to overcome of those 10,
• 54:27
  the three of them are tangible diet, lifestyle,
• 54:30
  and exercise, right?
• 54:31
  And there's not one that works.
• 54:33
  They're all very individuated.
• 54:35
  The other seven are the inner work.
• 54:38
  The spiritual work, the emotional work,
• 54:40
  the mental emotional healing process,
• 54:42
  the trauma resolution, the service
• 54:44
  and connection to others.
• 54:46
  That's where it is.
• 54:47
  That was what it was.
• 54:48
  It was immediately left off the table
• 54:50
  in our standard of care environments for the most part.
• 54:53
  Yeah.
• 54:54
  Yeah.
• 54:56
  I hope people are getting it.
• 54:57
  I think they are getting it.
• 54:58
  You've said early detection isn't the same
• 55:00
  as prevention when it comes to cancer.
• 55:02
  Why is that?
• 55:03
  Well, why is that is that things have to be big enough
• 55:06
  and loud enough to even detect them at an early stage?
• 55:09
  And so if you're just waiting until something shows off,
• 55:13
  you're too late.
• 55:14
  My gets already active and on the move.
• 55:16
  And so true prevention is about
• 55:19
  like evaluating the whole terrain,
• 55:22
  not looking for cancer,
• 55:23
  but looking for things that could contribute to cancer
• 55:26
  and start to make those changes long before,
• 55:27
  like I tell folks,
• 55:28
  focus on the inverse smoldering in the basement
• 55:31
  of your being versus waiting until it's
• 55:33
  a building engulfed in flames,
• 55:35
  which even early detection is too late.
• 55:38
  What cancer patient's story gives you the chills
• 55:40
  when you think about me?
• 55:42
  Oh, man.
• 55:43
  Probably the woman who put me on the cancer stage again,
• 55:47
  I was so, even though I was seeing a lot of cancer patients
• 55:50
  in my tiny town in Durango, Colorado,
• 55:52
  kind of like, oh, please don't mean me do this again,
• 55:54
  but this woman came in rolling in in a wheelchair,
• 55:57
  coming in for end of life care stage four of airing cancer.
• 56:00
  Just wanted comfort on the way out.
• 56:03
  And we were working on that.
• 56:04
  That was how we were approaching it.
• 56:06
  There was no expectation.
• 56:08
  And I, of course, nobody knew about my story
• 56:10
  in my history.
• 56:11
  And in supporting her fast forward,
• 56:15
  that was in about 2011, maybe 2010, 2011,
• 56:19
  fast forward, still waiting to get this book
• 56:22
  out there into the world.
• 56:23
  But she's also who gave me the courage
• 56:25
  to tell my own story and all this,
• 56:28
  but within a matter of weeks,
• 56:31
  of just helping her face her mortality,
• 56:34
  make her comfortable in doing so straight
• 56:36
  to assess her terrain and help her address
• 56:39
  and things that she was unaware of physically,
• 56:41
  mentally, emotionally, and spiritually,
• 56:43
  she started to stabilize.
• 56:44
  And then she was getting out of that wheelchair
• 56:46
  and then she was actually getting better.
• 56:47
  And then her hair was actually growing back
• 56:49
  and then she was actually able to tolerate
• 56:50
  some more chemotherapy, but with a different approach
• 56:53
  with it, with our therapies,
• 56:55
  so that it wasn't as intolerable and slowly but surely,
• 56:58
  she was in a small inspire,
• 57:02
  it was any of this online support group
• 57:04
  for cancer patients,
• 57:05
  she was in an awareness cancer group
• 57:07
  and she started to share her story.
• 57:09
  And it was this woman who single-handedly put her story
• 57:12
  on the planet that brought me out of the closet
• 57:15
  of my story that brought an entire movement
• 57:19
  of women together.
• 57:20
  There's 24,000 women at that time,
• 57:22
  diagnosed with cancer,
• 57:23
  ovarian cancer per year with over 17,000 of those dying
• 57:26
  in that same year.
• 57:28
  And so they were a small and scrappy bunch
• 57:30
  that we're looking for answers.
• 57:31
  And she rallied the troops in and she changed
• 57:35
  her life, she changed my life
• 57:36
  and she's still changing lives.
• 57:38
  It's amazing.
• 57:39
  These stories, it does.
• 57:41
  And she met legends,
• 57:42
  thousands of stories like her
• 57:43
  and I thought the absolute
• 57:46
  that you're on her wildblood.
• 57:47
  Oh yeah.
• 57:48
  And you're probably called a quack for use of meldion.
• 57:51
  And she's not a real doctor,
• 57:53
  despite the fact that my education was no different
• 57:56
  than standard of care.
• 57:58
  I had to train in the exact same modalities and tools.
• 58:01
  I actually learned more pharmacology
• 58:04
  than my conventional colleagues
• 58:05
  because I had to understand the interactions
• 58:07
  between herbs, supplements, nutrients, and other drugs.
• 58:11
  I had to like, they never,
• 58:12
  I got like 1,000 hours of education and nutrition
• 58:15
  that they got zero in most cases
• 58:18
  or a couple of hours and some cases.
• 58:20
  I mean, our biochemistry training is more extensive.
• 58:23
  Our pharmacology training more extensive
• 58:26
  where we differ is our philosophy.
• 58:29
  That's all we see the body as having the wisdom to heal
• 58:33
  and they see it as something to conquer.
• 58:35
  Again, have to use something outside of nature to fix.
• 58:38
  Yeah.
• 58:39
  So what's the number one lifestyle factor
• 58:41
  that fuels cancer growth?
• 58:42
  Oh, wow, boy, that's a big one.
• 58:46
  And I think sitting with that for some moment,
• 58:49
  I think it's denying your own truth.
• 58:51
  And I think that sounds very esoteric,
• 58:54
  but there is a common denominator with patients with cancer.
• 58:57
  We've done some research actually
• 58:58
  in the mental emotional realm
• 59:00
  and we did hundreds of patients study
• 59:03
  to kind of look for certain patterns.
• 59:04
  And the big, big, big, 70% of all these patients
• 59:08
  that we studied in these hundreds of patients
• 59:10
  and the most common denominator for them
• 59:11
  was not being seen and heard.
• 59:14
  And so that place is just not belonging
• 59:16
  and not being worthy is really a toxic cesspool
• 59:19
  to live in and to function from.
• 59:21
  And to help people understand their own,
• 59:24
  like they are just as important,
• 59:27
  they have every right to completely be here
• 59:30
  and thrive here as anybody else.
• 59:33
  And to be seen or heard and to break their gifts
• 59:37
  to the world, whatever it those may be,
• 59:39
  that's really powerful.
• 59:41
  You know, instead of putting themselves last,
• 59:43
  they can start to eat themselves up
• 59:44
  to actually step into what they truly came here to do
• 59:46
  and to their true purpose.
• 59:47
  So I always ask my patients, what brings you joy
• 59:51
  for what are you grateful
• 59:52
  and what did you come here to do?
• 59:54
  And if they can't answer those easily,
• 59:58
  they have a poor prognosis.
• 59:59
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:01
  And so to me, that is one of the most underserved,
• 1:00:03
  where I was kind of looking for the thing,
• 1:00:04
  the outside of us thing, that's the inside job
• 1:00:07
  that makes the biggest difference.
• 1:00:09
  I mean, coaching practitioner for so long
• 1:00:12
  and dealing with seeing the pattern,
• 1:00:14
  like I used the pattern,
• 1:00:16
  if the number one challenge these practitioners had
• 1:00:20
  getting them, getting their patients to love themselves
• 1:00:23
  and to choose themselves and to deal with a trauma
• 1:00:25
  because every single time if they didn't do that,
• 1:00:28
  they weren't able to do the diets and do the things.
• 1:00:31
  Exactly.
• 1:00:32
  Well, and we'll see you in a step further.
• 1:00:34
  If the patients aren't doing that,
• 1:00:36
  as I've had doctors over the years,
• 1:00:37
  ask me about, why have you such good compliance
• 1:00:39
  with your patients on these diet
• 1:00:41
  or these lifestyle modifications compared to me?
• 1:00:44
  I'm like, are you doing your own work?
• 1:00:46
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:48
  Are you able to give energy?
• 1:00:49
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:50
  Yeah, it's like, are you stepping into your own stuff
• 1:00:52
  so that you can show up for yourself first,
• 1:00:55
  the astronauts, you know, concept,
• 1:00:57
  so you can better serve others.
• 1:00:59
  You know, none of us are perfect at all the time,
• 1:01:01
  but if you're not working it, actively working it,
• 1:01:03
  actively seeking to improve your own vitality,
• 1:01:08
  your own resilience, your own spiritual richness,
• 1:01:11
  how can you expect somebody else to step to do that?
• 1:01:14
  Do the same.
• 1:01:15
  You're in congrats.
• 1:01:16
  Exactly.
• 1:01:17
  It's like you're happening about non-toxic things
• 1:01:19
  drinking a diet.
• 1:01:20
  Yeah, it's like, I'm not talking over that plastic.
• 1:01:22
  Okay, I need you to do X-Mainsy.
• 1:01:24
  I know you'll just be back here while you're at work.
• 1:01:25
  Pull on those weird lemons, you know.
• 1:01:29
  Put it over with a VJJ.
• 1:01:30
  Oh, good, wonder why you've got these issues going on later.
• 1:01:33
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:35
  If someone had a cancer diagnosis today,
• 1:01:37
  what would you tell them to do tonight?
• 1:01:39
  Oh, first I tell them to pause and breathe
• 1:01:44
  because in 1991 when I was diagnosed,
• 1:01:47
  I didn't have Dr. Google.
• 1:01:49
  I didn't have influencers.
• 1:01:50
  I didn't have thousands of books.
• 1:01:53
  There were dozens and dozens of clinics
• 1:01:55
  all over the United States that I could go to to help me
• 1:02:00
  had a resource for myself, mostly internally at that time.
• 1:02:04
  And so I hate in some ways,
• 1:02:06
  if I was diagnosed with that same diagnosis today,
• 1:02:08
  I think it would be much harder
• 1:02:10
  because now we have so much input,
• 1:02:12
  so much well-meaning, but truly wrongful advice
• 1:02:17
  being thrown at someone.
• 1:02:18
  The options are overwhelming.
• 1:02:22
  And so that pause and that breath
• 1:02:24
  and getting very centered and very quiet
• 1:02:26
  and still and listening deeply to yourself
• 1:02:29
  and just getting a baseline is really, really critical.
• 1:02:34
  And so in that moment before you react,
• 1:02:37
  you need to sit still to prepare to respond.
• 1:02:41
  So the way we meet our diagnosis is actually our prognosis.
• 1:02:45
  And so Lawrence, Lachana, famous researcher,
• 1:02:47
  wrote a book called Cancer as a turning point.
• 1:02:51
  And these patients, the way they respond to that diagnosis
• 1:02:55
  is prognostic in that if you stay in that reactivity,
• 1:02:58
  like, I gotta do this, I gotta do it right now,
• 1:03:00
  I gotta do this right now, I gotta do this right now,
• 1:03:01
  I gotta do this right now.
• 1:03:02
  You actually have worst outcomes
• 1:03:05
  than those who say, I'm gonna take a breath.
• 1:03:07
  I'm gonna look at the landscape,
• 1:03:09
  I'm gonna choose two or three really good evaluations
• 1:03:13
  and opinions, I'm gonna do a little research
• 1:03:15
  outside of the standard of care as well
• 1:03:17
  and see what I could do to optimize all of this process.
• 1:03:20
  And then I'm gonna gather data.
• 1:03:22
  I'm gonna gather tests, I'm gonna test,
• 1:03:24
  I'm gonna assess before I address, I'm not gonna guess.
• 1:03:27
  And I'm gonna be very thoughtful
• 1:03:28
  and intentional, precise and personalized.
• 1:03:31
  Those patients have extraordinary outcomes.
• 1:03:36
  The reactive jump in, do everything,
• 1:03:39
  go to a million different people,
• 1:03:40
  get a million different pieces of advice there,
• 1:03:42
  an effing mess.
• 1:03:43
  There in such sympathetic overdrive,
• 1:03:46
  I, it doesn't matter how well cured in my therapeutic
• 1:03:49
  recommendations are, they will never land.
• 1:03:51
  Yeah, they will never land.
• 1:03:53
  When has reacting in emotion ever won for you in life?
• 1:03:56
  Never, never, never.
• 1:03:57
  Never always plugs up or at least fizzles out.
• 1:04:01
  And when have you sat back and allowed that intuition
• 1:04:05
  and taken time and slept on it?
• 1:04:08
  Has your life been better?
• 1:04:09
  So that's really all you're saying is sleep on it
• 1:04:12
  for a few days, make thoughtful,
• 1:04:15
  parasympathetic decision, they've not out of fight or flight,
• 1:04:18
  even if it's natural.
• 1:04:19
  Like, oh, I'm gonna run to keto.
• 1:04:20
  It's gonna be keto's gonna fix me.
• 1:04:21
  I'm gonna run spasting, I'm gonna keep, you know,
• 1:04:23
  I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna run to the vegan diet.
• 1:04:25
  I'm gonna run to this and you're all these influencers, right?
• 1:04:28
  And they all have some great information in parts to play,
• 1:04:32
  but take a breath.
• 1:04:33
  Yeah.
• 1:04:34
  Take in some love.
• 1:04:35
  Yeah, take in some love.
• 1:04:36
  And then take in some, you gather some information,
• 1:04:39
  be a detective before.
• 1:04:40
  So you really can plot your map thoughtfully.
• 1:04:43
  And I want folks to remember,
• 1:04:45
  it's super rare that a diagnosis of cancer
• 1:04:47
  is an acute emergency.
• 1:04:49
  It's very rare that it's like taking up such valuable
• 1:04:51
  real estate that it's causing some potential
• 1:04:53
  dangerous harm to the body.
• 1:04:54
  Like, that is so rare.
• 1:04:56
  It happens.
• 1:04:56
  Yeah, super rare.
• 1:04:57
  Most of the time, this has been something that's been brewing
• 1:05:00
  you for an average of seven to 10 years,
• 1:05:02
  is what the research shows.
• 1:05:04
  So is there a medical emergency for you to deal with
• 1:05:06
  in the next, you know, seven to 10 days or two days?
• 1:05:10
  No, take the time to gather the information
• 1:05:13
  and choose your path wisely.
• 1:05:16
  I love it.
• 1:05:16
  Be your own doctor.
• 1:05:17
  Yeah, yeah, because that's the smartest one.
• 1:05:20
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:20
  I love it.
• 1:05:21
  Yeah.
• 1:05:22
  Asia, thank you.
• 1:05:23
  It's been on a privilege level.
• 1:05:24
  I'll see you a couple.
• 1:05:25
  We'll see you soon, my dear.
• 1:05:26
  I love her bringing it to the other two son.
• 1:05:29
  Yeah, I'm making out with the farmers
• 1:05:31
  and the doctors all in one place.
• 1:05:32
  All the people I used to judge.
• 1:05:35
  And now you'll gain the kumayas.
• 1:05:37
  Yeah, it'll be.
• 1:05:38
  It'll be beautiful.
• 1:05:39
  Thank you.
• 1:05:39
  Thank you so much, what an honor.
• 1:05:40
  Yeah.