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The 12 Jobs of a Dad | a conversation with Robb Stennett · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: Hey friends, welcome to the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Today I'm excited to introduce you to two new friends.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because this is the first podcast to air with my sidekick and lovely co-host Ashley Pittman.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: But apparently I didn't let her talk much in this podcast.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe because I was so looking forward to hearing the wit and wisdom of Rob Studett.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: But Ashley and I will be doing more podcasts in the future, and we'll talk a little bit more about how we met and how I tucked her into this crazy podcasting adventure.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: So today you'll get to hear from Rob Studdett, who's the author of five books, an award-winning novelist and filmmaker.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Rob is also currently the creative director at One Chapel in Austin, Texas, and a director with a thorn.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: His husband is Sarah and dad to four beautiful girls, who's inspired his newest book, The Perfect Dad, a totally achievable guide to not messing up your kids.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: Friends, this is a must-read, an ideal gift for any guy in your life.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: After talking to Rob and reading his book, I was inspired to create a list of the 12 roles a dad must play.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: I've decided to share it with you as a fun printable to share or keep for yourself.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because according to Rob, great dads aren't perfect, but they aspire to be.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: For you wives, they need a great woman to encourage them along the way.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: You'll find all the details in the show notes.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: In the meantime, we jump right into this conversation with Rob, talking about the Broncos, what he is up to now, and hearing his profoundly funny thoughts on fatherhood.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: Senate! Oh my goodness, how you doing?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: How you guys doing?
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: You haven't changed a bit, you know.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Good to see you.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, hey, I appreciate you squeezing us in.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: You're a busy man.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a it's a hectic time of year.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, because you what are you doing, Thorn right now and all that?
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm working on a few uh video projects and then doing Thorn.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm not doing it this week.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was doing it last week in Dallas.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then book launch and church stuff and a little bit of everything.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate the hat by the way.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: I know my friends can't see it, but it's a Broncos hat.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh love the Broncos.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Love me some Broncos.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_04: I don't have any, I don't have any any what's the word?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_04: Dogs in the fight on professional football.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a college basketball.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not a college basketball girl either.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_04: College football.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_04: I'm jumbled.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_04: What am I?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_04: But never mind.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not into sports.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I love that, you know, whatever we all love.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: We don't live in that same state, but we still love the fire burns.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Continuing.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like it's like your heart gets connected to it, and you're like, that's me.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's you know what I'm saying.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you it's just that, you know, that time of life that you it's like associated with those years of freedom, and you could watch it whenever you wanted and before DBR and all of that good stuff.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: I know those years of freedom.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: I miss those.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's awesome.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I um I was gonna I was trying to kind of give you the give Ashley the rundown on who you were and um give give all of that.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I thought it would be really fun for you to explain your life um here as we we dive in before we start talking about your book, the new book that you wrote.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you're in the middle of launch, so I appreciate getting to help spread the word because it's good stuff.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: You are fun for sure.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I um essentially my dad was a pastor, uh, grew up in church, have always kind of been around the church world, but um, I've always loved production.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: I've loved stage, I've loved film, I've loved telling stories.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: So um I've kind of spent my life in production, whether it's you know, doing church productions, I worked on the Son of God movie, did like a live stage tour, did stuff for that, did um documentaries, short films, uh commercials, uh all that sort of stuff.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: And now I do um kind of work with a local church in Austin, who my friends are pastors at, and it's great to be a part with them.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh called One Chapel.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh The Thorn is a touring kind of Passion of the Christ meets Cirque Dislay, so it's touring state production.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's really weird to explain to people, and they're like, What?
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: How's that possible?
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then you see it and you're like, that is possible.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it's been going for about 20 years, and um I've been involved for I don't not all 20, but close to it, like in some form.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: I've been directing it for about the last 15 years, um, and I've written quite a bit of it.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: So it tours, um, it's toured all over the country, and it tours kind of every Easter season.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about a fall tour.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: So I was in Fort Worth, Laska doing that.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then um, I write.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like writing is my number one passion.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: I've kind of buried that under everything, but if I could do anything, it would just that's kind of what I always come back to.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: I've written several novels, I've written um uh screenplays, I've written commercials, and uh I've never written a book about my family, though.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: So this is kind of a new territory.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I first met you uh late 90s.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we were both at Omega Church, and you were writing, you know, basically like your first screenplays then, right?
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, these little dramas for junior high and high school.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean you you kind of put that into practice then and then now I didn't realize the Thorn uh it started before then.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: What year did that start?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: It started officially in '97.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um or maybe it was ninety six.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: Somewhere ninety six, ninety seven.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: Started just as a youth group play, and then they started doing it for the whole church.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then the first year that they did it, it was they really opened it up to the city.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was like they had to lock the church doors, people were like crawling under barbers.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was there, it was intense.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so people just like lined up like standing room only, and so did it like for a full week straight.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it just kind of became a thing, and it's really cool to see it's now been seen by over a million people, and it's um toured in 30 different cities, and so it's pretty cool.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just what all it's done.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: John and Sarah um actually at a another church uh that we were at for a long time here in Kansas.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they uh in Olatha, they they came out.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think that was maybe two years ago now.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so it was so good to see John and Sarah.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I I was just blown away by what it's become.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, were you at that show?
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was really awesome.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: I know I kind of I kind of laughed.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: I I told my my husband, I was like, yeah, I I used to do the costumes for this, you know, production, which is such a joke because I can barely sew.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I helped organize it.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: I can, you know, put that on my badge of honor.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's kind of what the show is, just like, you know, people who are like, I can never do this, and then they come together and do something cool.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, did that and and fell through.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: What was that?
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: I said that's kind of my background.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, and absolutely.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think I think it's so good.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh now, um, besides all those things, you are very happily married to the beautiful Sarah Stenet, um, and you have four girls.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a father.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: I um I never pictured myself with a daughter.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: I always pictured like my first boy as like, oh, I'll teach him about the Broncos and Star Wars, how to play basketball.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then I don't tell this story very often, but like when we were married about a year, I had this dream of like zipping up a little girl's jacket.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then I like woke up and I was like, oh, my first kid's gonna be a girl.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: And like it was just this random, like dream moment.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what it was.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and so anyway, I just kind of knew.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we went to the altar sound, I kind of knew it'd be a girl.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then my next one, I was like, oh, I know this is gonna be a boy.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like I knew at the bottom of my school, like, right, this is gonna be a boy.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh it was another girl.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: We had another girl.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: By the time it was number four, I was like, it's a girl.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even need it.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: I was sunk.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: This is it.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, tell me, are they girly girls, or do you have a couple who enjoy the Broncos as much as you do and enjoy watching Star Wars and all of that?
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: So they all love Star Wars.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: Mine too.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: My second daughter like loves the Broncos.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like she'll watch games with me and she wants to watch basketball, and just like it's weird though, because like with Julianne, I tried to make her get into stuff.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, I'm gonna teach her what to be passionate about.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I quickly learned, like, oh, you can't do that.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: They're gonna be passionate about it.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: So my job is not to teach them what to be passionate about, but to see kind of what's inside them and then help uh steward that, whatever those passions are.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so early on, I was like, I'm gonna teach them to love this, teach them to love this, and like, dad, that's boring.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, I'd show them like my favorite 80s movie or listen to the band that's incredible and like it.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: But then they would find things that they loved, and I was like, oh, I should help you know steward those passions.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, but yeah, Claire is my uh she's my adventurer, like loves Star Wars, loves like all my three daughters dressed like princesses for Halloween, and she dressed like Captain Phasma and full like Star Wars.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: That is great.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: That was some good wisdom there.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate that, Rob.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: That you know, just looking to see what they are interested in.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: If more parents would take that lead, we'd be we'd be good.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: Is there is there something in your childhood or just you know, something that helped you that prompt that thought in your mind that you would go, oh, I'm not I'm not able to change what they love or what they enjoy as much as I need to find out what ticks.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: I guess when I thought about all the stuff that I really loved, I was like, oh, no one taught me to love these things.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like even the Broncos, like my dad was a football fan, but didn't really love it.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: But like I loved it.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I love Star Wars, like these things have almost like people who know me, like they've kind of become synonymous with me.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: But like I just found these deep passionate passions early on.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so um I just realized like, oh, I think that's how we're wired.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like certain things just spark in us, certain things just come to life about in us.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: And you can certainly like, I'm not saying you can't implement and instill things, but I think some parents white knuckle it, and I even saw myself doing it, and so I was just like, you know what, for my kids, I'm not gonna white knuckle it.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you have to like this, you have to love this, you have to dress like this, right?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh whatever it is.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm not gonna do that.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna kind of watch them and kind of see who they are more than like try to make a perfect mold carbon copy of me because I have so many faults too that I'm like, I hope they do things better than me.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I I don't think they're the same as me.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, don't make those same mistakes, like or make your own mistakes even, you know.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's good.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: So some of that has been the inspiration for your blog, and then now your new book.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um so and and these I I have to point out, your first four books, right?
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is your fifth, they're completely different than this theme.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: So, what what kind of prompted you to go after this idea of the perfect dad?
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: I um my agent was like, you should write a book on being a dad.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're because I kind of talk about it a lot on Facebook and write little posts or whatever else.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, You have a really kind of fun, funny insight about being a dad.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I don't know anything about being a dad.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't I know nothing.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: I am the least qualified person ever to write a book about being a father.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, man, I have four kids.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is the most important job.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: But like I listed all these other jobs at the start of this.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, these are all the things that I've done.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: Those are nothing compared to how important my kids are, these human beings that I'm in charge of to like their lives and who they'll become.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's in my hands some like not just me, it's a lot of things, but like I'll play a big, big part in that.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, like youth ministry, I was in for a long time, and you could do an altar call about sex or drugs or name your thing, and a few people would come up.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: You did an altar call or some sort of ministry call about being a dad, like, hey, who has issues with your dad?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it would be like every kid would stand up and walk up to the front.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: And there's just about dads that like they can hurt us, they can mess up, or they just make such a big impact in us.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I just thought, man, this is the most important job I've ever been given.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not qualified to do it.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't hire myself to do it.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, I've got to do better than that.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: So when you said you should write a book, I actually got convicted about it.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, okay, I'm gonna write down 12 that I think every dad should do.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it's be a provider, like you have to provide for your family, be a protector, like when my kids get in trouble with bullies, whether there's cyber bullies, whether there's you know, protecting them from cars in the street, like I have to protect my kids.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: There's all these jobs that we kind of have to do.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I've never been trained on how to do it.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I wrote down these 12 jobs and said, I'm gonna research, learn, and find a mentor to each one of those things to kind of teach me how to do it.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I found a dad who was um into safety and law enforcement and military background, and I said, Okay, how do I protect my kids?
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: I found a dad who was um um a financial advisor and who had run for Congress and who had done all these different things, and I said, Okay, how do I really provide for my family?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I found guys who were, you know, had grown kids and like, all right, your kids, you seem to have done it.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're a you're a hero to me.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: How did you do this?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I just kind of wrote down their advice.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so the way I explain the book is like, this is not I'm Gandalf, like telling dads what to do or telling.
• 13:33
  unknown: Right.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Or like Sam Wise and you're Frodo, and we're climbing up this mountain together.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm figuring it out.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: That is so good.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not writing it as an expert, I'm writing it as a peer of like, okay, I'm trying to do this and I'm on this journey with you.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's so relatable.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's kind of my my vision for the the simply wholehearted is that that's just what I'm going after.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm trying to do this well and this, you know, I we got this one life, and I want to do it to the best of my God-given ability.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, what better way than to ask my friends who I see doing it well and stewarding their gifts well, and ask them, okay, so what's your secret?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, how have you have you figured out this area of life or how have you navigated these waters and you know, share your wisdom?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think we see other people like we see pictures on Instagram, we see different things, like, oh, they've got it figured out.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: But then we really realize, no, we're all kind of figuring this out.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: We all do some really well, and we all probably do a lot of more things really badly.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so rather than being a source of shame, it should be a source of like, hey, let's learn from each other and let's talk honestly.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: I I love the vision of this.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's awesome.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the no comparison and all of that.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that's what I like about your the opener of your book of who this book is for.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you want to share a little bit of that list of who you intended as you wrote this book, who it was for?
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I I kind of was like, okay, a book called The Perfect Dad, like who, like, if you're thinking of who this is for, who would it be?
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so I said, it's for the expecting father, it's for the father of grown kids who are trying to figure it out.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's for moms who are trying to figure out what makes dads tick, you know, like kind of how they work and how do they tick.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's for um people who just want to read an entertaining story of a dad trying to accomplish the most world's most tough job.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I tried to make it much more than just a how to one, two, three book.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm wired with stories.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like everything I've ever written is a novel.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh, this is my first real uh jump into nonfiction for my solo book.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: So so even with that, I was like, I don't really want to say, hey, do this and don't do that.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna tell you my story.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like this is the idea that happened.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is where like one of my chapters is about being a coach and uh signing my daughter up for a basketball team and it bombed.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I was I I did like everything wrong, and even though I was trying to find the advice, and I went to my mentor and I said, Hey, you told me to do this, what's wrong with this?
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like it's much more like left turns and wrong turns and everything else, but it's also for the dad who's like, okay, I've made those mistakes too.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: How do I course correct?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and how do I get back on it?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like so many dads have told me, like, oh, I wish this book would have been out, you know, when I was younger, I wish whatever else.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, man, it's not too late.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and or it's never too late to kind of learn and do this better as well.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: So hopeful.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's never a time when that's what that's what even all these dads told me is like, oh, I thought when my kids hit this age, like it would be over, but I'm still parenting them through their different things.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it looks different when they're 25 than when they're five, but they're still like, okay, buying my first house, what do I do?
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're still kind of walking through this journey.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, this is a job we never retire from.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I think any dad, any parent can kind of read this and kind of just be inspired from it.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: I like that that you pointed out too.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: I have enjoyed reading just from that perspective of getting inside kind of the man brain, so to speak, and the father fatherhood perspective, and how I can inspire and encourage my husband to do that, whether he ever reads the book or not, which I certainly hope that he does, um, but that how I can just encourage him in that way and even encourage my kids' hearts um and respect and you know, like um just just what because I can't get inside his head what his perspective is, but this lends them to that that I can give to my kids as well as maybe maybe they're frustrated with something or whatever and be like, well, but this is why, and this is how it works.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so that is awesome for sure.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I um I started writing one chapter about like why are dads typically like the lesser of parents, you know, like why does that happen?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I think part of it is because this is Captain Obvious, but part of it is because they're not pregnant, and so there's this bonding phase that happens there, and there's this huge chasm that happens by the time the baby's born.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, for a dad, it's just theoretical like there, like I was there along with my wife's pregnancy and feeling the baby kick and listening to heartbeats, but like that's a secondhand experience.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'll never understand what it feels like to carry a human being inside me and what that does inside of you.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I think for dads, like what I s what I learned is like you have to work extra hard.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like you have to be more intentional because this thing doesn't literally grow inside you.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: You have to like, okay, how do you really think and be there and whatever else?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: And even like even the pregnancy announcement is something that I talk to a lot of dads about.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, when the woman announces she's pregnant, like with most of my uh kids, my wife knew even before she took the test, she had that like pregnancy fit, like, which I don't even quite understand, like, because uh, but she had this sense of whatever else.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, like every time she would tell me, there were two simultaneous feelings.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: One was fear, yeah.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and I think every guy goes through this of like fear of like, oh my gosh, there's a human being and I'm in charge of it, and I have to provide like all the fears, and the second is like beauty and love and like the most amazing thing.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: But these these two emotions are simultaneous.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I think some dads will just be like, oh, I like they feel bad that they feel the fear of this thing.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, like the fear is just this sense of like kind of this awakening of responsibility that happens in you.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: So fear is not even a bad negative emotion, it's just like, oh wow, this changes who I am a little bit.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: This changes how I have to live my life, this changes how I have to approach things, and so that's what the fear is.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: But dads will feel guilt about that, and I tell them don't like just kind of embrace it and know and look in the eye and stare at it and then you know, chase it down.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Figure it out.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's right, yeah.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: And and just yeah, wrestle that through.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because it's almost and not to to belittle any sort of comparison in or in this process of comparison, but uh dads kind of have to take the approach of attachment like an adoptive parent would.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it is your biological child, but you didn't enjoy the you know, the nine-month journey of connecting in the same way.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so you kind of have to look at it from that way of where you have to be really intentional and creating those attaching moments, not only for them, but for you as well.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and even once the baby's born, uh, depending on how you feed your child, like sometimes dads will feed their kids for six months, and just that process as well.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: So there's this kind of long ramp of leading, leaning away that can happen with dads.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um so then by the time the baby's one year old, two years old, it's like they've already been leaning back, and that can kind of create this like chasm that happens.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that's part of what I write about in the early chapters of like how easily this happens and things to do of like, okay, not in a cheesy way, but just like I want to be present, I want to be here so I don't start becoming a parent when the baby's too, you know.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is so good.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, every new dad needs this book for sure.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you and you kind of touched on this before that you cover uh 12 different roles as a dad, which I think is genius.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I would like you to share maybe one of your favorites um that you're enjoying right now in this season of parenthood.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think like dads are the adventurer, and so I think like dads are always the one who like, hey, let's do this, let's go jump in the pool as cannonballs, let's go kind of have a crazy adventure.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think that's where dads like can be wired like that, that sense of like that like we're at the beach right now with my kids, and so we kind of create games and create whatever else.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so I interviewed several dads of like, how do you make like family vacations can be hell?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there's movies about what hell family vacations and how totally can go wrong.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um and part of it is like family vacations, like you just have to approach them differently.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like you and your wife are on like a beach in Jamaica, it's like, okay, that's relaxing.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: When you're in Disney World, like you have to look at it more on a missions trip than you do love vacation.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're like I've got to play this, got I gotta attack this.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, it's actually fun.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Of like, like I wrote this whole chapter about going to Disneyland and like Like, I want to do this perfectly.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how do you do the perfect Disneyland vacation?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of the Super Bowl family vacations.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like, whether you like Disney or not, it's kind of the iconic family vacation.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I did all sorts of interviews and read up on it and talked with different people and talked to even Disney employees of like, okay, how do you do kind of the perfect Disney day?
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I want like that's part of why I had the perfect dad, because I was like, I want a bowl of 300 at Disney.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to have that like perfect Disney day.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: And at least try for it.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: And if it messes all up, it's like, that's fine.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: But I at least want to kind of swing for the fences of like not just kind of suffer through and my kids melt down halfway through and we go home.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how do I make this day awesome?
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so to me, like adventure, like that's where I come to life.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, even Christmas, we do different things of like, how do I make Christmas like really come to life for my kids?
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: How do I make you know a Saturday really come to life?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's that's the fun of parenting.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's where like you get to relive things uh from your own childhood.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: You get to relive things through the eyes of a child.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why kind of the adventurer is what I call it.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I love that part of parenting in fatherhood.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: So funny, it doesn't surprise me at all.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: I would um um before we talk a little bit more about the book, in your, you know, you are very creative.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: I've always known you as that.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: You have just some extraordinary talents.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: What is some of your creative process, you know, as you juggle, you know, being married and all the different roles and your four girls and and all of that.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: For you, what does that look like?
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: I um for me, like with writing and creative stuff, there's this.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: I went to this lecture at UCLA one time with John Cleese and Ed Solomon, and they said, Who here when you sit down to write, just kind of like opens up your laptop and starts writing right away, or takes out a pad and starts writing, and like two hands go up.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Who here like checks your email, goes for a walk, uh, does all this different stuff, and then finally, like 45 minutes later, starts to write.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Boom, every hand there goes up.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Who feels guilty about that?
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Every hand goes up.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Don't don't feel guilty about this.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: There's a stamp study in Stanford, and it kind of right brain versus left brain is how we think of creativity.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: But he's like, that's not really true.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Really, where creativity is is what he called tortoise mine hairbrain.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: So hairbrain's like the everyday, like, okay, I gotta pick up the kids, I gotta get dry cleaning, I gotta be on this podcast, I gotta, you know, like different stuff like that.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, these are my to-do lists.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: And tortoise mine is more like you get away, you kind of get to your place, and then finally, like, you can start writing.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so he's like, I bet a lot of you have your best ideas like when you're on a long road trip, or you go for a walk, or you're doing a really mundane task, or you're mowing the lawn, something where your brain can kind of start to like wander and dream.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, that's where you get your best creative ideas.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: So he's like, you gotta shut off your phone, you gotta turn off the notifications.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I kind of give myself uh time to do that every single day to work on different creative projects, and it's just a sliver of time.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's about two hours.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then once that's done, I shut down the laptop and that's it.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: I've got other work, I've got being a dad, or whatever else, but like two hours and I set modest goals.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: And like it's just kind of this consistent frequency of that.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: Try to do it in the morning, like um, because that's when you're your most creative.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: I find like creative is like a gas tank by three o'clock in the afternoon, it's pretty much gone for me.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm trying to do it, and then that's it.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: And whatever I get, some days I have high, high uh export, other days it's low, but I'm like, no matter what, I just kind of consistently do it, and that's how um I do creative endeavors.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what was that brain thing called again?
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's called tortoise mind hair brain.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: That is so funny.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: So tortoise mind is the slow kind of creative hair brain is like and and the for writers per sp specifically, I think any creatives, like when you're in hairbrain, what happens is you criticize yourself.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: So you say, Oh, that sentence is no good, or this story is no good.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's that part of you that's very critiquey.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so tortoise is just a little bit like, oh, I like fields and flowers, and I like looking at waves, and you're not really you're not like analyzing, you're not kind of your business mode person, you're more like the dream or your inner child, you know.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's where the good creativity is.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're noticing beauty and you're taking it in, and you're just like you appreciate life a little bit more and all of that.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's awesome.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, um, I wanted to make sure I highlighted this one little story uh that you put in the book because I I felt I think, and this is an element where new bad dads especially could uh appreciate and glean from this is that you had um an early mental shift for parenting and specific fatherhood.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it was this the story of the conversation that you had with Sarah before she leaves you with your firstborn for three weeks, which I I like I know.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: I was so impressed.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know the story, so I was blown away because I still can't imagine this happening, and I love my husband, he does an amazing job, but I think there was some key, key wisdom in that story.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I um so Sarah is a French student, so she was in grad school at New York University in Paris, so she had done two straight summers there.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: She's a teacher, and every summer we'll go to Paris.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: I would normally go with her, but we had the new baby, and she had one year left.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's like, you know, some moms were like, okay, we have the baby, my life needs to shut down.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, no, like I want to empower her.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I was like, You you spent two years doing this, you have to finish this out.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like, okay, the plan was I'll take the baby for three weeks while she goes over to Paris.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: And she even got it was supposed to be six weeks, and she got it shortened a little bit so she could do one of the modules at home, but we're like, three weeks seems doable, and then like I'm kind of a you know, dreamer artist, like you guys.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like other people would be like, You're leaving the baby with Rob.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know, I can only imagine.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: And Sarah's like, Yes, he's the father.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, So I remember kissing her goodbye, and this has kind of even become a thing, but this was 10 years ago.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: I remember kissing her goodbye at the airport, holding the baby, and I was like, Well, here I am.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm babysitting for the next three weeks, and she looks at me and she's like, It's not called babysitting, and I'm like, Well, what's it called?
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, It's called being a dad.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: And then she walks off into the airport, and I'm standing there with a baby, and I'm like, That's a movie line right there.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: That is pricey.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that was a moment for me where I was like, Oh, this is not like a I'm not doing her a favor, or I'm not whatever else.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, um, not I don't even know if I thought of it this way, but I thought, oh, I'm Mr.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Mom or whatever else.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like, no, it's not Mr.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: Mom, it's not babysitting, it's none of those words.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's I'm the parent and I can be left alone and responsible and cook and clean and change diapers and do everything.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like those aren't men's jobs or women's jobs, they're parent jobs.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're jobs of keeping children alive, and that's the job of parents.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um and she obviously lived and survived and thrived.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: So and I think the key thing too is just because uh and this is because that whole concept is a pet peeve of mine that dads would think that they're babysitting their kids, and I've probably been guilty of saying it.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: But um but you may it may look completely different than how mom does it or how your wife does it, but it's still parenting, it just looks different, and it's probably a lot more fun coming from dad.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: I would say so.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I would say so.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: So hopefully moms could give the freedom for dad to be dad.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: You know, like I'm gone, dad's gonna do it his way, he's dad, here you go.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: Totally.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's one of the things that I one of the because marriage is one of the jobs of dads that I talked about.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you're married and you have kids, like your kids are gonna learn most of what they think about marriage by watching you guys, you know, by my kids are gonna watch by watching Serena.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so one the marriage counselor who I talked to said, you know, one thing that's important is that ma like dads, when mom is gone, like they're in charge.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so you can't parent by texting and are you doing this, whatever else.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, little things remind him this, but it needs to be like, okay, dad's in charge, he's the parent, he's making the rule, mom's in charge, she's the parent.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so who if there's a sole parent there, that's the one in charge.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so it is gonna be different with each.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's why it's important to talk.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like the marriage guy also said, talk as parents of like, hey, these are th do's and don'ts, and that sort of thing, and really get on the same page.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's also can't micromanage it.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: If you micromanage it, um, he said, I've seen wives do this to husbands, that they micromanage it, and the husband's like, you know what, I can't do this right, I'm not doing it right, and so they don't want to do it anymore.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: So he's like, that's a real important thing to get on the same page in your marriage with that.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: I I could see that being like, I you you probably have some good wisdom to lend to that because you have already professed yourself to be kind of creative and and all this different stuff.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I see could see Sarah being organized and running, you know, just like a tight ship really well.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so how do you guys how do you guys kind of navigate, you know, being on the same page and converse through some of those maybe sticking points, even?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: We I mean, we kind of talk about big picture values, like, hey, these are values of our home, these are values that we're uh sticking our kids to, these are values of discipline and obedience, and like even part of this book was like an excuse for us to do that, like to really kind of uh because like I am a fly by the seat of my pants guy.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a big rules guy as a creator, but with kids, like you can't do that as much.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have to be more organized.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you like, if you don't schedule things out, you die.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like literally your kids will take your life, like literally.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like you gotta kind of own it, and like, but at the same time, like I manage big shows, I've managed big shoots, I've managed million-dollar shoots, you know, that sort of thing.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's like, okay, that those same skills you just put to your kids.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I don't understand with dads, is like you manage big, expensive projects, use that same thought, use that same energy with your kids, the most important project you'll ever be given.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's good.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they probably just haven't thought themselves empowered to do that and made that connection even that that that would be valuable in the home as a dad.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, this is awesome.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Rob, thank you so much for your time.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: You have I mean, I feel like I've gleaned some good stuff, and I can't wait to finish your book.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I know that you definitely make this world a more entertaining place.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: And your how you couple wit and wisdom is is really profound and fun.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's easy to listen to, and I know I'm sure that you will in your lifetime touch millions of lives um just through like following through with your gifts and talents.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I I appreciate that for sure.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um I know that we're gonna plug you well in our show notes and make sure people can find you, but where's some of the the spaces they can find you on the interwebs?
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, wherever you get books, Marnes and Noble, Amazon.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: If you have a local bookstore, get it there.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: If it's not there, they'll order it for you.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: But uh it's in just about any bookstore, and you can always get it on Amazon or wherever you get your books online.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: So get a copy.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's um entertaining, it's um a tight, punchy read, and so uh, but it's a lot of fun.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's the type of book that you can read pretty quickly, but you can also go back and kind of reread things like, okay, how do we live family adventures?
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, my family's going through this like a glossary of different things of dealing with problems as well.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: So you can get it at all those places and get it, find it, review it, uh spread the word.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: I actually was thinking the whole 12 job roles that would be fun to create some sort of printable to like pin up and put in our our bedroom and just have it kind of like, oh yeah, this is you know, this is what dad should, you know, be feeling free in and charged to be doing.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, I spent like a year and a half writing this book.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd say just pick a role to start.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like you don't have to be good at all of them at once.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: But I I kind of explain it like at the end of my book, like a golf analogy.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so like, you know, you get really good with your driver and then you get comfortable with that, then you get good with your nine iron and you get comfortable with that.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: So then kind of in the golf course of parenting, it's like, all right, I need an iron iron right now.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: I can take it out and I can use that.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh that's kind of the thing, like these different tools, like when you come into certain situations, it's like, okay, how do I do discipline?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, how do I do uh protector?
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, how do I do doctor when my kids get sick?
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: The more you get comfortable with these roles, then it actually makes parenting enjoyable because it's not a crisis anymore.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, okay, I can do this.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: I know how to do this.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's so good.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, on that note, we will say goodbye.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Rob, I know we'll be seeing more of you in the future and just all with all the great things that you're gonna be doing.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so again, we really appreciate your time.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you, ladies.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Rob.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you enjoyed our time with Rob as much as I did, and I also hope that you will go out right away to your local bookstore or Amazon and buy his news book, The Perfect Dad, a totally achievable guide to not messing up your kids.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Not only do you want to give this for the dad in your life or your husband, but certainly for yourself, and it's gonna be a great book to have a hand to give gifts for Father's Day coming up in June, or just to have a hand to give to Mim.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, uh anyway, thanks again for joining us.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: We sure appreciate we are loving doing this podcast.
• 35:28
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• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: So thanks again for joining us, and then in the meantime, I hope you live simply wholehearted, finding more ways to live unplugged, purposeful, and intentional.