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Patriots Unfiltered 12/26: Biggest Takeaways from the Win over the Broncos · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: The World's a veget Podcasts Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Deuce
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  Speaker 1: Paul tells us what happened last week.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy. Second, Deuce thirteen and three. Nice week four.
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  Speaker 1: No, wait a minute, you said Paul was twelve and four.
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  Speaker 1: You were thirteen and three.
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  Speaker 3: Paul really does this nice by the way. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's just, you know, it's all laid out for me,
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  Speaker 3: and he's.
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  Speaker 1: Been doing it since he was four years old making book.
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  Speaker 4: Bob Marine walking out with his sick kid. It wasn't
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  Speaker 4: like funny, obviously, but it was you.
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  Speaker 3: Just pointed out a loser.
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  Speaker 4: Fun Dad's gonna work the k balls and the and
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  Speaker 4: the game balls are separate. They're separate ball right, each
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  Speaker 4: team brings their own balls. Yes, this is too many
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  Speaker 4: references to.
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  Speaker 3: Balls Evan one, four and ninety. Uh oh wait, sorry, Deuce, Deuce?
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jillette Stadium, and I hope everyone had a good Christmas,
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  Speaker 1: those who celebrate yesterday. And we're back here after a
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  Speaker 1: big win. I don't know if wins these days are big,
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  Speaker 1: but a really cool win in Denver Chad Ryland with
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  Speaker 1: the fifty seven yard game game winner.
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  Speaker 6: That was it was great fifty six.
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  Speaker 3: It was a long fifty six, though it was good.
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  Speaker 1: It was good.
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  Speaker 4: In five years, it'll be sixty.
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  Speaker 1: So we talk about that, talk about what else is
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  Speaker 1: going on in the NFL, some interesting outcomes over the weekend. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: And then of course looking ahead to the Bills this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: see if we can do damage to their playoff hopes.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, spoiler, yes, we're spoiling it.
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  Speaker 1: It's deuced at seven. It's Paul, it's me. It's faith
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  Speaker 1: in the broadcast booth because, uh, Matt morel is.
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  Speaker 6: This morning the way out. It's not good.
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  Speaker 3: He was here again this morning.
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  Speaker 6: He was in this morning.
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  Speaker 3: He was sick.
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  Speaker 6: He did not look good.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but he's yeah, he's just touching all our microphones.
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  Speaker 1: Things are coming out of every hole in his body.
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  Speaker 6: He had his he had his head down, and I
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  Speaker 6: was sort of making fun of my I go, it's
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  Speaker 6: Maggie too good to talk to me. Hey, you knows bro,
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  Speaker 6: bro no, no, no worries.
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  Speaker 3: Now hopefully his kids are right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, kid was sick. He's sick. Unrelated, but they're
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  Speaker 1: both sick. So faith is filling.
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  Speaker 3: In us that parrel faith.
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  Speaker 1: We have faith.
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  Speaker 6: She's she's got to got the whites.
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  Speaker 1: We have faith, all right. So where do we start?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I want to start with Mike told me how
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  Speaker 6: bad he was trying to fill my role as the bookkeeper.
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  Speaker 6: And my god, he undersold me.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't have a lot of confidence with.
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  Speaker 6: Didn't really think it was all that difficult.
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  Speaker 1: With the kid one.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I won, and I couldn't get it right.
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  Speaker 7: I still just assumed that Paul I'm like, thirteen is
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  Speaker 7: less than twelve.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, now we can get back.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So yeah, that was a we got through it,
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  Speaker 1: interesting night. We got through it. It wasn't an interesting
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  Speaker 1: night on Saturday. Just a bad first half and then
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  Speaker 1: they came alive a little bit in the second half.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just felt like it was a game of extremes.
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  Speaker 7: I think every unit made like a dumb mistake or
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  Speaker 7: bad play or had a bad series. But then when
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  Speaker 7: it kind of counted, they they came through each each
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  Speaker 7: one of those units at the end. So it was
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  Speaker 7: far from perfect, and you know, there's certainly play of
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  Speaker 7: flaws to point out, but when they had to have it,
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  Speaker 7: they made some big plays.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, that's just it's just.
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  Speaker 7: Crazy to me that this Patriots team of all Patriots
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  Speaker 7: teams finally beat Josh Allen and won in Buffalo.
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  Speaker 3: It's just weird. You know, I don't know what it says,
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  Speaker 3: but it's what I say.
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  Speaker 7: Denver, Sorry, yeah, you know those two plays too, you know,
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  Speaker 7: some beating Josh Allen, really tough, winning Denver always tough.
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  Speaker 3: Just this team of all teams to win those two games.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that Buffalo game, in this game is
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  Speaker 1: the kind of games that Bill fought he was gonna
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  Speaker 1: win all year. You know, like, we'll hang in there,
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  Speaker 1: the other team will make a mistake or two, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll take advantage, and as long as we can pull
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  Speaker 1: through on special teams, we've got a shot. And you
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  Speaker 1: know that that's how he you know, he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: win games this year, or expected to win games this year.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it might have been easier if they hit
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  Speaker 3: the field goal and the extra point.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, well it didn't allow a
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  Speaker 6: fifty yard part return and didn't allow sixteen points on
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  Speaker 6: the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, but you know that's santh They're not that great.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I totally agree with fred. I think that's
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  Speaker 6: the way Bill thought he would in all year. I
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  Speaker 6: think that's the way he's trying to win every game.
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  Speaker 6: And that gets you four and eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But Christian Barmore, I mean he's really on the field,
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  Speaker 1: he really is, and like, like we've talked about in
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  Speaker 1: this show, like let's get him signed. Yep. You know
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  Speaker 1: he's he's a player, Yep, let's get him signed.
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  Speaker 6: They could they could do that in the offseason. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that's one for me. That's an extension. I'd be down
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  Speaker 6: with yep.
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  Speaker 3: Priority one.
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  Speaker 1: So that that, you know, that's been a silver lining
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  Speaker 1: of the season is just his emergence. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: always knew he had it in him, but he's really
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  Speaker 1: putting it together, you know, on a consistent basis, and
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  Speaker 1: not just on third down or against the pass. He's
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  Speaker 1: really learning to shed blockers and play that two gap
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  Speaker 1: system and against the run. So I you know, I
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  Speaker 1: love what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's the biggest difference is his run defense,
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  Speaker 4: and now he's rounded out into a three down player
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  Speaker 4: because he can play the run so well, just being
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  Speaker 4: his upper body power is significantly better than it was
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  Speaker 4: a year or two ago. His ability to you know,
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  Speaker 4: leverage and then press off blocks and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: He was always a good up the field player, but
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  Speaker 4: adding that into his repertoires is how he's taken the
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  Speaker 4: next step. And the Patriots said, I don't know, we
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  Speaker 4: were talking about this, like who's who's a pro bowler
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  Speaker 4: on this team? I think Christian Barmore is a pro
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  Speaker 4: bowler for the Patriots, and like a legit one, not
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  Speaker 4: you know, throwing the punt returner, you know, twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: or something like that. No, that's that's a fair that's
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  Speaker 4: a fair shout.
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  Speaker 6: Like I agree, I am.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like really the competition that he'd be
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  Speaker 1: up against an inside tackle.
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  Speaker 4: Deeposition, Yeah it is, but a lot of the a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the guys that you know, Aaron Donald, those
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  Speaker 4: those guys are all in the NFC, you know, but
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  Speaker 4: AFC obviously Chris Joe Jones is gonna make it.
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  Speaker 6: But Barbore does have some sacks now, so he has
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  Speaker 6: some of the stats that don't normally come with that spot.
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  Speaker 6: I agree with Evan. I think he's a strong candidate. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: he's been the best player for the team. I mean, yep,
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  Speaker 6: I don't really think there's anybody that's been close to him.
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  Speaker 7: And it's just something pound the table for them to
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  Speaker 7: extend him. This is what you haven't had, you haven't
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  Speaker 7: had star players develop, you know, in the last four
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  Speaker 7: or five years to this level.
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  Speaker 6: You've put so.
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  Speaker 3: Much into this guy.
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  Speaker 7: They ask so much of defensive lineman in the system,
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  Speaker 7: as you laid out Fred of you know, being able
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  Speaker 7: to play multiple techniques and he's blossomed now. So this
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  Speaker 7: is what you have to do when these players emerge,
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  Speaker 7: you have to resign them. You can't right now send
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  Speaker 7: them an offer that's probably going to get rejected and say,
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  Speaker 7: well we tried, let's we'll see you next next offseason,
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  Speaker 7: like they have to act this offseason on Barmore. I
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  Speaker 7: think that's how you start to break this cycle of
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  Speaker 7: all right, here's a guy that's played well, that's developed.
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  Speaker 7: We're signaling to the rest of the team that when
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  Speaker 7: you play like this and you work hard and as
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  Speaker 7: Bill said, had a great offseason, these are the guys
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  Speaker 7: who didn't get rewarded that we're going to build around.
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  Speaker 3: Send that message.
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  Speaker 1: Then on offense, you know, it was nice to see
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  Speaker 1: them going downfield a little bit, you know, throws to
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  Speaker 1: Parker and Douglas. I you know, that was great. I
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  Speaker 1: don't I don't know why it was successful this week
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  Speaker 1: and it hasn't been, but you know, it just seems
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  Speaker 1: like they were given that a shot and it was working.
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  Speaker 1: So I liked the seven on passes over twenty yards.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I liked the seam shot to Farrell Brown. That one,
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  Speaker 6: to me was the most conventional offense. And like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you kind of answered your own question, like I don't
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  Speaker 6: know why I was, except, you know, you throw fifty
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  Speaker 6: to fifty balls, sometimes they're going to catch him, sometimes
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  Speaker 6: they're not. DeVante Parker made all the plays. I thought
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  Speaker 6: Douglas did a great job high pointing one of those
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  Speaker 6: for a big play. This particular game, the fifty to
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  Speaker 6: fifty balls mostly all went in the patriots favor. The
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  Speaker 6: Broncos threw a handful of them up and none of
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  Speaker 6: them got caught. You know, Courtland Sutton only played that
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  Speaker 6: one seriously. But that's a play that you've seen Denver
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  Speaker 6: make this year. And he dropped it and then he
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  Speaker 6: got concussed. And then the other times they took shots,
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots were in good position. I thought Denver was
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  Speaker 6: in good position to make plays in the ball. Parker
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  Speaker 6: made better plays.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he does.
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  Speaker 6: You know, he made better plays on the ball than
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  Speaker 6: certain I thought. I asked him about we had grow
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  Speaker 6: on the post game show, Freddy and I asked him
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  Speaker 6: about that, and he said he was really patient. He
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  Speaker 6: was impressed with his patients as a corner so Tan
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  Speaker 6: and you know, could you could tell that he was.
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  Speaker 6: He was like, this guy's pretty good.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I'll Teevan up here because I thought
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  Speaker 7: he said it well was it's like Bailey's Appy's with
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  Speaker 7: this offense needs because you know, the protection stinks, and he's.
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  Speaker 3: Just got some ability to move around and get out
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  Speaker 3: of trumble and throw it up. And that's that's the difference.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think, you know, seven three and outs. It's
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  Speaker 7: it's not like they've rehimitted the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: I'll let.
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  Speaker 4: They're also what like three and twelve month third down
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  Speaker 4: or something like that. Oh yeah, when it comes like
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  Speaker 4: in terms of actual efficiency and statistics, they they're really
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  Speaker 4: not that much better than we're with Mac Jones, if
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  Speaker 4: f at all. You know, his EPA per dropback is
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  Speaker 4: actually worse as a starter than Mac Jones was as
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  Speaker 4: a starter of this season. But it's just those plays,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you guys talked about him, like the Douglas
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  Speaker 4: play that that doesn't happen with Mac Jones at quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't move off his spot like that and throw
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  Speaker 4: off platform and give Douglas that chance to make that
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  Speaker 4: play down the field. And as I was watching this
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  Speaker 4: game back, I just felt like there was multiple times
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  Speaker 4: whereas like, well, that play doesn't happen with Mac, and
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  Speaker 4: that play doesn't happen with Mack. Now some of the
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  Speaker 4: throws that he missed it, you know, against the blitz
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  Speaker 4: on the short throws that Mac probably makes those ones.
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  Speaker 4: But it's not the layup set have really helped them out.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's been the big swings that have helped them out.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's you know, the difference right
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  Speaker 4: now is the agility in the pocket, the ability to
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  Speaker 4: win late in the down off platform. You know, the
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  Speaker 4: Kasicki touchdown, He buys time, buys time, makes a tight
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  Speaker 4: window throw. I just don't think the other guy was
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  Speaker 4: doing that, And that's been a little bit of a
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  Speaker 4: difference with the offense. But I think overall with Bailey Zappi,
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't mean much to me in terms of the
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  Speaker 4: bigger picture of him starting here next year or anything
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  Speaker 4: like that. But why this offense has been a little
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  Speaker 4: bit better with Bailey Zappi's because he's a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more of a gun slinger. He's just a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more of a playmaker, whereas Mac Jones needed everything else
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  Speaker 4: to do the heavy lifting for him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, on the other side, Paul, you mentioned you giving
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  Speaker 1: up those sixteen points, you know, to blow the lead,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think that, uh, you know, Russell Wilson
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  Speaker 1: was obviously a big part of that. He's his ability
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  Speaker 1: to extend plays and and I think once they figured out, okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's just keep him away from Barmore, he was able
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  Speaker 1: to extend those plays. And I think, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: have what's his name start, you know, playing cornerback Jonathan
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  Speaker 1: Jones missed a bunch of snaps and I think I
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  Speaker 1: think they were pretty weak in coverage, and you know
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  Speaker 1: which it showed when.
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  Speaker 6: I mean I thought Wilson was really bad in the
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  Speaker 6: game in general. Yeah, you know, the kid Mims made
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  Speaker 6: a great catch on a deep ball that set up
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  Speaker 6: the first one. If you had told like I told you,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I've long since left the NOD game Fred. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: but at sixteen seven, I thought the game was over.
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  Speaker 6: That was before the fumble on the kickoff. I thought
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  Speaker 6: the game was over because I you know, you said
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  Speaker 6: keep him away from from Barmore. I think that's a
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  Speaker 6: really accurate description. It was like Barmel was chasing Wilson down.
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  Speaker 6: Wilson was running to Barmore and creating his own sacks.
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  Speaker 6: Like twice he was just standing in the pocket and
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  Speaker 6: had the ball knocked out of his hand right like
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  Speaker 6: he was really bad in that game. Then all of
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  Speaker 6: a sudden he wasn't he put two drives together almost
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  Speaker 6: like it was a tie games. I would have I
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  Speaker 6: would have given them no chance to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think, you know, Pittsburgh and Denver to
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  Speaker 1: a large part, I think, you know, they underestimated the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots a little bit, and I think Wilson did too.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean once he realized, you know, I have
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  Speaker 1: to move around here, because you know they do, they
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  Speaker 1: can get me, I think he was a little better.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you'd notice that when he fled the pocket,
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  Speaker 1: he'd go wide like like it wasn't just subtle, like
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  Speaker 1: he would move way out and that you know, that
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  Speaker 1: gave him the time.
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  Speaker 6: So I kind of think he was fleeing the pocket
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  Speaker 6: too often.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I certainly ran into Jos like he was seeing
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  Speaker 4: ghosts at that point of the game.
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  Speaker 6: But it was like a great pocket, like three time
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  Speaker 6: times that he escaped, yeah, right into trouble and either
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  Speaker 6: had to throw it away or get sacked. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they did a nice job of you know, they
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  Speaker 4: ran a lot of simulated pressures in this game, so
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna put six guys up on the line of
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  Speaker 4: scrimmage and then four are gonna come, but you don't
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  Speaker 4: know which four are gonna come. You have to read
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  Speaker 4: it post snap. And I thought that they were able
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  Speaker 4: to get some one on one matchups for guys, especially
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  Speaker 4: obviously bar More, and that was a big part of
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  Speaker 4: the game plan. And when you play a quarterback like
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  Speaker 4: Russell Wilson that can run around, that covers all the
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  Speaker 4: gaps on the line of scrimmage, so now there's no
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  Speaker 4: escape route for him to go. And I think that
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  Speaker 4: was a big part of why they did it. And
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  Speaker 4: I thought in terms of like scheming up pressure, this
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  Speaker 4: was probably one of their better games of the year
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  Speaker 4: of doing that. They did a really nice job in
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  Speaker 4: this game of really showing pressure and then falling out
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  Speaker 4: of it and then sometimes bringing it and bringing some
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  Speaker 4: cover zero. They did bring cover zero one too many times,
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  Speaker 4: which just seems to be the Steve Belichick m O.
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  Speaker 8: Like.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's a really good play caller honestly for
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  Speaker 4: the most part, but he brings one too many zero
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  Speaker 4: pressures every single week. And the twenty one yard touchdown
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  Speaker 4: to Johnson was the one too many times you know,
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  Speaker 4: the one more zero and then Sean Wade blew the
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  Speaker 4: tackle and he scored.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it.
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  Speaker 4: Just in general, I thought they rushed the quarterback really
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  Speaker 4: well in this game, and that that defensive line's been playing.
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  Speaker 1: But I wonder if he doesn't do that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: call those zero pressures, would they you know, would they
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  Speaker 1: beat him another way? Like in other words, do you
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  Speaker 1: need to keep that pressure going in order to keep
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  Speaker 1: the you know, keep the game close and get them
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  Speaker 1: off the field. It's definitely if you got to get burned.
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  Speaker 6: I mean it's an offense that hasn't moved the ball
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  Speaker 6: all year.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the fans were booing, yeah.
• 14:36
  Speaker 6: I mean because they've seen it. Yeah, yeah, you've seen
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: it real Yeah, they like I know, Russell Wilson's numbers
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: are much better this year than last year. I've seen
• 14:46
  Speaker 6: a handful of Broncos games. I don't think he's played
• 14:48
  Speaker 6: all that much better. He looks washed to me. He
• 14:51
  Speaker 6: had a run early in the game that he went
• 14:54
  Speaker 6: right up the middle, got about fifteen yards in a
• 14:57
  Speaker 6: first down, Like I remember Russell Wilson like that's a
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: big play and he was like a turtle going up
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: the middle. You know what did the kids say, right, Washed,
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: he's cashed guy, right, I think he's done. I don't
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: think he moves well anymore, and I don't think he
• 15:16
  Speaker 6: wants to get hit lunch. Like a lot of these guys,
• 15:18
  Speaker 6: they just you know what, I took enough of those hits.
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: I don't have to do it anymore. And I think
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: that's probably the biggest difference back to the Patriots for
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: Zappie and Jones that that Evan talked about. I think
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: it's unfair to say that Mac Jones has never been
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: able to do that. He doesn't do that anymore. But
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: as a rookie, I do think he moved around and
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: looked down field when he did it. Now he never
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: does that. Now He's always here. They come, you know,
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: after a while, every one of these guys, they's just like,
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: I'm tired of getting hit. And Zaby hasn't gotten hit
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: that much yet. You know, if he were to play
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: the whole year, I wonder if he would be as
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: willing as because I agree with Evan's description of the
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: Kasiki touchdown especially. You know, he's like sliding around the pocket,
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: moving around, you know, buying time. You know, if you're
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: Mac Jones on that play, and you have the same mindset.
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: You're like, there's no way that protection's going to hold up.
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: I'm just gonna get hit. I'm gonna throw it away.
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, Actually, let me just cough it up and
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: hope that somebody, Oh shoot.
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: That was at his worst moments, Yes, yeah, te me
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: to look at the worst side of things.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: So playing the game, he had he hit Zeke on
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: like a little five yard angle route and on the play,
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: that's a big play because it's a sixty yard field
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: goal if he doesn't, you know, complete that play, and
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: Darien Low gets spun around by the edge rusher on
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: that side and he just you know, bob and weaves
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: out of the pocket and just you know, kind of
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: find some space and hits the check down. And I
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: wish throw is a little bit better so that Zeke
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: could have ran after the catch with it. But at
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: least he didn't. He avoided the negative play.
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: But I like that when you watch the you know,
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: the film review, you sort of looked at some of
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: the other stuff too, because I feel like there was
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: a little bit of a ground swell going. I don't
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: know if you heard any of this, fred I was
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: like Ben Vollen was tweeting about it during the game
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: and then he asked and he asked about it after
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: the game, you know, like you know that they waited
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: too long to make this quarterback. Like, I don't know
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: what you think you're seeing offensively that is light years
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: different because the production is just not there. And Evan
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: just kind of told you. And I thought Kurt Warner
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: did a good job of this too. You know, the
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: Broncos scored the first touchdown to get within eight. Now
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: you have to move the ball. You have an easy
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: slant route to Jalen Rager who is wide open, and
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: he throws it at his feet, which causes Rager to
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: go to the ground to catch the ball and therefore
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: prevents him from being able to get the first down.
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: There were a lot of those kinds of plays too. Yeah,
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: you know the little one that he flipped over Ezekiel
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: Elliott's head, that could have been a big play. I
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: think early in the.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Game it would have been a touchdown. Yeah, it was
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: a man coverage and it was easy throws. Yeah, you know,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I was play your song yeah, doing TV, and I
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: was talking to Deuce about it and that his splits
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: on short throws versus you know, under ten yards. Over
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: ten yards are demonstratively different. Like under ten yards, he's
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: one of the worst quarterbacks in the league throwing short passes.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: But then all of a sudden you have him open
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: it up and throw it down the field and he's bonkers,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: like he's like leading the league in EPA on deep passes.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: Bailey's appy, which if you think about it, the accuracy
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: like I I it's not as big because Parker's going
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: up to high point this way right and if he
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: gets it, he's going to get it, you know, just
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: like Juju did in Pittsburgh. There was like that wasn't
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: because those throws were perfect, right, There was there was
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: that makes.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Plays against blitz pressure in particular, where he just had
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: guys that were running the right routes, that were in
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: the right spots and he's throwing it, you know, ten
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: yards away from the guy. He had Douglas twice, you know,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: one in verse three and out of the game. After
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: the fumble, he's got him in the flat and he
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: just rushes it and throws like into the sideline nowhere
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: near him, And it's like, how can you if he
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: made those layups. If he made the easy ones, then
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: they would be more consistent as an offense because they'd
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: still have the big plays and then they he would
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: be able to string together the easy ones to move
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: them down the field. But he can't make the layups,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: and that's why they're just totally.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: And they haven't really shown any more consistent consistency offensively
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: than they were. You know, they scored nineteen points in
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: this game, which is you know, that's more than they
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: were average. They average what fourteen thirteen in change or
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: whatever it is, so they scored more. But you know,
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: they did get a fifty seven yard field goal as
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: time expired that you know, at any given point this season,
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: otherwise Bill wouldn't have attempted. You know, I don't think
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: that he was planning on attempting that one. I think
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: he was going for Rovitz. So like, I don't think
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: the offense has been markedly better. I love all the
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: things that I that said, I love all the things
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: that Zappi does that I don't think Mac can do. Yeah,
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: and just buying time moving around and trying to make
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: a play downfield. I'll watch Zappi play the last three
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: games any day of the week over the first ten
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: games that.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Macas no entertainment. It was entertainment.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: It might not be all that different production wise, but
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: I'll take this over that any day.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: He's not a squeamish ya there.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: You know, so it was a Christmas present, but for
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: some fans not quite the present they were looking for.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: And that seems to be a theme that you know
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of fans are upset about the win. Yeah,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: you know, and I get it. There were some they
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: got they want the Patriots now fourth and uh seating
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: for the draft pick. And you know they were second
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: going in that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: The Niners lost last night. Heard us by the way,
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: that did it really schedule?
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: This is more about strength of schedule I ever wanted
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: to know about, like, well, you beat the commanders, but
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: you're actually behind the commanders.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Some like some like really big football fan that has
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: like a coding background should make you know that ESPN
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: has the playoff machine, Can we have the tank machine
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: so that we can like a mutations because I would
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: be but.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: That does make sense, like if strength of schedule was
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: so important and the reason they do the strength of
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: schedule is if you have a harder strength of schedule,
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: you'll considered and you have the same record as a
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: team with an easier you're considered to be behind them
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: because they they only won four games with this terrible schedule.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: You were able to win four with your really hard one.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: That's how they do it. So why wouldn't the fact
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: that Washington beat the Patriots? Why doesn't that matter?
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I know that should be the first thing? Is
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: like that the first thing.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: So we played and they beat us, so they should
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: be considered better than us.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I imagine that because a lot of people you could
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: tank the game, right, That's what I imagine is like,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: if you're playing Washington in week eighteen, Yeah you could.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: You're right, you could throw the game.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: Don't don't don't you guys don't have to bring the logic.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: You're right, you're absolutely right.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: But if we've talked about the lottery, like a lottery
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: system for the top ten picks before, right.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: Fred Fred has all kinds of things that he wants
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: to do. He wants he wants there to be a
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: lottery every year. The Super Bowl champs should be able
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: to have the number one pick.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Well, they should be in the running. And I also
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: think that the team that came in last, that's where
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the draft should be. If they keep the way it is,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: that's where the draft should be instead of well, but anyway,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of I would I would make the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: draft much more an event by just putting you know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the uh.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure you can make it anymore of an
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: event than they make it.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: But make it so that the picking of who drafts
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: first becomes an event in and of itself.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like the NBA.
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Now do people in the NBA complain about, well,
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: now we're only going to have six ping pong balls
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: in the in the thing?
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: The NBA has a real tanking problem though, Like that,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: that's when.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: One player can change your team so much. It seems
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: to just as.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: The Spurs, that's not happening in San Antonio, right.
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: I agree, though the NBA has a tanking problem. The
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: other sports really don't.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: But I think I think it should be a thirty
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: two team lottery. I don't think it should be just
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: like the top six or whatever. So you know, there's
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: no reason to tank.
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: You know, like what if you just did tears, like
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: you have the one to ten, that's that's one ping pong,
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: you know off and then ten to twenty is you know.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean the team that wins the super Bowl
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: would have to have like a very small fraction of
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: a chance. Why what do you mean why you can.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Still only have to you know, it's like so, you know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: like so they get somebody that they draft, then maybe
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you know, they put more people on free and free agency.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I don't I think it's this.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: Whole Imagine like Tom Brady wins the Super Bowl in
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: his last game as the Patriots quarterback, he decides to
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: retire the next Peyton May how about.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: This the Patriots for the first round only it's a lottery,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and then the rest of the rounds are worse the
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: first you know, but for that first round, everyone has
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: an equal chance of getting a high pick.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: I don't know why there should be an equal chance
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: for getting a high pick. Don't you want all your
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: teams to be balanced.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: They can still do that. We're just talking about the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: first round. They can still do that. And and let's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: face it, a lot of these bats.
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of Patriots fans say, you know
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: how hard it is to pick in the first round
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: when you're always picking down the bottom this year, that
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: that's a big advantage that their picks are going to
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: be high.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Let's face it, a lot of these bad teams who
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: annually have high picks stay in the bottom because they're
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: just terrible organizations. You know, it's no guarantee that when
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you get.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: So you know what, the key for them to get
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: out of the bottom would be, give them the thirty
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: second pick in the draft. They'll get much better real.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Or maybe they realize they need better, you know, people
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: drafting or whatever. You know, there's a reason why they
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: stay low, and they shouldn't be rewarded for that. That's
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: what I say. Everyone should have an equal chance at that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Those top guys.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: Not the time.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And let's face so, if you're if you're the Patriots,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: let's say you had my system, you're the Patriots, you
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: have Tom Brady, you get the first pick. You're going
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to be picking a quarterback.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: No, it depends what Tom Brady.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Let's say.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: I mean they picked him in the second round when
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: Brady was in his prime.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: But let's say he's in his prime. You're not going
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: to like pick a quarterback. You're gonna you're gonna trade
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: down anyway.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Certainly screw up all the mock drafts that everybody already has.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: You know, everybody's got it all laid out right now.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Of what I'm all for it now.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Well, and I mean, I also.
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: Think it's worth bringing up that even these picks that
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: you think right now are Wow, I'd be so excited
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: to get Trey Lance.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just it's it doesn't always.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: But like the whole notion of this, like bad organizations,
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: bad organizations are constantly changing their coaches in their gms. Yeah,
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: there's not a lot of bad organizations that have had
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: the same coaching GM for ten years.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Well maybe that's they're doing that poorly too, picking who
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the coach and GM should be. So in other words, right,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: work hard and that's how you earn it instead of
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: being bad and that's how you earn But.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I think, like Deuce's point to the fans that are
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: mad that they won the game, I think I understand, like,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: be mad, it's fine, but if you are. The way
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: to look at it, though, is look at the past,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: like five drafts even like like we're not talking about
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: the brock Parties and the Tom Brady's of the world,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: just in the first round, the first quarterback off the
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: board is not always the best quarterback from the class,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: and oftentimes there's multiple quarterbacks that end up going on
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: to be good, Like you know the Joe Burrow class
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: for example, where you know it's Joe Burrow, and it's
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Tua and it's Herbert, Like, all those guys are good.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: So if you're the Patriots, Jayden Daniels, Michael Pennix, one
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: of those guys is going to end up being a
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: good quarterback in the NFL. Like it's all about deciding
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: which one is going to be the best. But it's
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I feel like all these Patriots fans that want them
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: to tank and want them to have the highest pick
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: possible are losing sight that Jade and Daniels could end
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: up being better than Drake may like.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: We we don't then take them at and take him
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: at two.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: But it's but it doesn't it doesn't make it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: If I want my I want my option to be
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: as high as I think, so I get it.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Like, if you're one or two, you get to pick.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: So whoever your scouting staff says is going to be
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the guy, you don't have to worry about losing.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Him and That's why if I would argue that your
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: scouting staff is more wrong than it is right. So
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, what difference does you.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Got to You gotta trust somebody. You got to make
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: a pick. You got to make a pick.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: I just want my option. I like, if if I
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: have a high pick, I want to I want to
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: pick the guy that I want. I don't want to
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: have to hope that he's available.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: In other words, let's say they like Penis. Let's say
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: this scouting staff or whoever is the scouting staff at
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the time, loves Penis. If you take them, if you're
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: number two or four or five, you take them there
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: you don't hope that he drops.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: See I disagree, Like, why would you take him before
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: the rest of the league?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Now you love him, you might lose them.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: You might or you might get two players for this
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: and still get your guy.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I see, when it comes to quarterback or head coach,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: whoever your guy is, if you really think he's going
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to be the person, there's no price too high to pay.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: I just don't think you can be in between you
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: two guys.
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: Like, if you know that Penix isn't going in the
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: first round, I don't take them because I'm no. But
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: that's what you're paid for.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: So you're saying you're the only scouting staff.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: I thought we were a good organization. I thought only
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: the bad organizations didn't know how to do this.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: But I would assume if my scouting staff really loves
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: this guy to the point where you think he's gonna
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: be our franchise quarterback, other scouting staffs might feel the
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: same way.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: But it's literally But that's part of the gig though,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: right is finding out what the other thirty one teams
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: think of the guy.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Well, if you know that for certain, if you can
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: be certain, okay, but how can you be certain?
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: I just don't think you can be certain about any
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: of it, right, So, like you take.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: The chance, you take him when you can take them.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: But you don't like this stress over, like them getting
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Drake May versus them getting Jayden Daniels at four instead
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: of Drake May at two, Like we don't know, Like
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: you don't know. You don't know which guy is gonna
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: end up being better, not even the teams, No, but you.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Don't know that. So but I would assume that teams
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: go in saying this is the guy Jaden Daniels is
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: better than Drake May or Drake May is better than
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels. We want the best quarterback we can get
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Not this team. Well I'm just telling you, like this
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: team tiers it right like they they look at it
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: in tears, and I think that they look at it
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: and say.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: When it comes to the quarterback position, Yeah, I don't
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: think so.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: I really think no. I mean that's how they scout
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: it though, like that that that's how they stack their
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: board is in tears.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know they You're right, I know that's true.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to quarterback, there aren't you know,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: there are some drafts where you get three or four,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you know, really good quarterbacks, but that's not the case
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: most of the time. Most of the time it's one
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: or two guys that come out and you better be
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: lucky and get the guy that is.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I totally agree with that, but it doesn't
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: there's no guarantee that the one or two guys that
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: are gonna be greater.
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: And course, and if they if they have like Panix
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: is their number one quarterback, like you know, like they
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: always say, like Evan's talking about, they stack it vertically
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: and horizontally. So like, maybe Penix is a middle of
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: the first round in terms of the entire class, but
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: if he's your number one quarterback, that's different.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Well okay, but I get what you're saying. But so
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like, if you think Penix is
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the best quarterback out of a bunch of mediocre quarterbacks, wait,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: but if you think think Pennix is a blue shipper,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: then you go get them.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: Then you go get I mean, it's hard to know
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: all those factors. But I, like I said, I'm in
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: between you guys. I get both of your points.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: I get his point totally. I just think that fans
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: that are freaking out over if they're going to be
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: two or four, oh, that that part, yeah, are missing
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: that Patrick Mahomes went eleventh overall.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: And let me let's say they're five, right and they
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: love Drake, may go up and get them, which they
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: still could do, trade up and get them. Sure, you know,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: like just because you're not one or two doesn't mean
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you still can't get the guy with what figure it out,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: future picks whatever, you know, do whatever you have to
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: do to get them.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: That's tough when you when you need as much as
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: they need. It's tough to get rid of picks.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: It's just it's hard.
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: It's hard to thread the needle because if you is
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: you know, if you wait and you drift the guy,
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: people are going to say, well, they didn't like him
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: that much. They because they didn't trade up to get him.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: But if you trade up to get him and he's
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: not good, then you then.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Well, that's terrible.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: They traded up to get a guy who stinks like
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: you know, it's it's it's hard to I think trading up.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: For a quarterback is one of the worst moves that
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: organization can make because ultimately, like I keep saying, it's
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: a crap shoot. And I would also just say that
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: if you get a draft a guy like Bryce Young
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: and then you're on a terrible team in Carolina, now
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: they don't have their first round pick, so he doesn't
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: he's not getting any help now from from the draft
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: to next year.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: But it has worked out for others. See, I think
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: he's a city in Buffalo.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: But those teams were further along in the process.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: So here's where I'm going to be on Evid's side
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: of the fence. I think there are those drafts where
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: it's not a crab shoot. Peyton Manning's not a crap shoot,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Andrew luck wasn't a crap shoot. I think this year
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: is a crap shoot. As much as people love you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Drake may Or.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: You didn't you didn't think Trevor Lawrence was a crap shoot?
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: I did, right, No, A lot of people think Caleb
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: Williams is better than Trevor Lawrence. I know they do,
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: and I think, coming coming out of college, not now, I.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Don't see the evidence for that.
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: And I think there are a large segment of fans
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: that think after the three picks it's a crap shoot.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: They think that that Williams and Harrison and may are
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: not as much a crap shoot as the rest of it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: And that's I think where a lot of the angs
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: comes from, is that if you're not in that top
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: three and you don't even at least have a chance
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: at one of those guys, that's I just think it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: For the quarterback position, I think this year isn't a
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: certainty for any of these guys, for any of them,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: so this year I could see waiting a little bit.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: I just think that, you know, Kansas City is a
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: great example, they get Patrick Mahomes at tenth overall. They
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: traded up to get Patrick Mahomes, but they had Alex
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Smith in like kind of already made situation there in
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Kansas City, and then he sat a year behind Alex Smith.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: So those are totally different scenarios. When you're a team
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: like the Patriots that needs help all over the roster,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: especially on offense, and you're trading and you're giving up
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: picks to move up in the draft, I just wouldn't.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Give you love either. If Andrew Luck is there, I
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: trade up and get him, even if in the current
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: position the Patriots are, because those guys don't come along
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: that often.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess maybe.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think this year has those guys.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: These two guys are a lot better than you think
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: they are, maybe.
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: You know, maybe, And what about the Chicago of it
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: all of I mean, you know, the team that actually
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: is probably going to have that first round pick, and
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: they have their quarterback playing a little better right now,
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: so you know, now you're talking that pick is might
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: be very well up for sale.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: For Caleb Williams for a team that wants to go
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: up and get them.
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: So it's just it's it's complicated, it's gonna be fun.
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: I would definitely trade down if someone was interested, if
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: I were Chicago, and I would roll the dice. I mean,
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: it's a huge roll of the dice because who knows
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: with Fields even in that game Sunday through a horrific
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: pick in the end zone of that game. But if
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: you could trade down and get Marvin Harrison and a tackle,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: plus you're adding picks for the trade down. Yeah, right,
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: And then that's a chance to all of a sudden
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: go from being sort of middland at seven and ten
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: ish to a playoff content. And you've got some especially
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: in that conference, right, You've got some talent a quarterback.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: And if it doesn't work out with Fields next year,
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: all right, now we're back in the quarterback, but we
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: have a tackle because and we'll probably have a bad
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: record again, so we've got pieces and we'll try it again.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Bottom line is, I don't think it's the end of
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the world that people think it is now that they
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: got their fourth no and this year they might beat
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: the Jets and have five wins. And I don't think
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: it's the end of the world that people think it is.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: I that's that's all I'm coming from with it, too,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: is I think that the hysteria that they move down
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: two spots in the draft. You know, to your guys's point,
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: if you really love a guy, you can go up
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: and get them, you can take them at four. Like
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: there's just it's just not that big of a deal.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Like I don't think that Caleb Williams and Drake may
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: are these two prospects. I agree with Paul. I think
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: they're good prospects. I think they're really gonna be, uh,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: you know, potentially really good players. But is the drop
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: off from those two guys to Jayden Daniels all that big? No,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: And if you really like Jayden Daniels that much, then
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: take them at four, like.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: I personally think it is. I don't think this is
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: the end of the world either. But if you wanted
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: to get a quarterback, I think you had two that
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: are in that category. You don't think that, but that's fine.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: It's not a big deal to anyone who doesn't think
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: the quarterbacks are any good. It is a big deal.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: If defense that we heard from on Sunday we got
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: one after a not I think it was one hundred percent. Yeah,
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: every single person who called us was sort of upset
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: that they won because they obviously think more of the
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: quarterbacks than you.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: Do, right, And like in Evan's put a name to
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: the claim, I mean, you know, I don't think I
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: really haven't gotten invested in them possibly getting Kleb Williams.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I just assume he's going to go first overall to whoever.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: But it's like, so it's Drake May, Like that's what
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: you're upset about that you probably wouldn't have a shot
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: at Drake May unless you can trade.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Up Drake May. To me right now, I know he
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: gets a lot of Herbert comparisons, but when I watch him,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: I see a lot more Josh Allen than I see Herbert,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: where his accuracy and his consistency with his mechanics leading
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: to poor accuracy are our work in progress right now,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: just like Alan was coming out of college. I don't
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: think it's quite as wild as Josh Allen was in Wyoming,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: but it's it's similar, and so he's going to have
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: to be coached up and he's going to have to
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: be you know, coddled a little bit coming out. I
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: don't think that he's one of those guys that's a
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: finished product right now. And then Caleb is just Caleb,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Like he's a different kind of quarterback.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: And you mentioned Alex Smith, I mean Mahomes. Not that
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been great anyway, but he went to
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the perfect situation, offensive minded head coach, a guy he
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: can sit behind for a year. That's not going to
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: be the case here with Patriots. As far as we
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: know Tyreek Kill, we don't even know what kind of situation.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: I have no problem if the guy sits for a
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: little bit.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't either problem. But we don't know what
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: situation any quarterback is going to be coming into this team.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: We don't know what the team's gonna look like.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like with Drake May, I do worry about
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: him playing right away because he's he's wild, Like his
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: accuracy is just very inconsistent, and he, like I said,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: it reminds me a lot of Josh Allen, and the
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Bills didn't play Josh Allen right away. You know, it
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: didn't work out right away with him. It didn't click
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: right away either. Yeah, So I just I really like
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: the tools are obviously really enticing, Like the guy's big, strong,
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: can move, has a huge arm, like all those types
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: of things, and he makes some throws on film that
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: you're really impressed with, but he's got some accuracy and
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: mechanical issues he's going to have to work out, and
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I just don't know if that's going to happen overnight
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: for him. It might, but I you know, justin Herbert
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: fixed those things, right.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I know everyone talked about Stefan Diggs really helping him
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: get over the hump, but how much did Brian Dable
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: help him? And you know, from a coaching standpoint, you
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: know who helped him or what helped him the most
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: over in Buffalo.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think Brian Dable is a huge part
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: of it. And that's I think what worries me the
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: most about these quarterbacks at the top with the Patriots
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: is that each one of them has to be obviously,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: like any player coached in a specific way, like Caleb
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Williams is gonna have to be in an offense that
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: allows him to play playground football, and it's gonna have
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: to have rules within the offense of when he extends
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: the play and when he breaks the pocket, like this
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: is what we're gonna do, just like the Chiefs do
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: with Patrick Mahomes, like the Chiefs improvisational elements of their
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: offense are scripted, Like that's not just like run around
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: and find open space, Like, there's rules to it. So
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: you have to put that into the offense. And then
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: when you got a guy like Jaden Daniels, like, he's
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: gonna have to be in a very specific type of
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: offense that allows his legs to be a big part
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: of it in his mobility, like similar to what Baltimore
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: does with Lamar, Like, you have to build an offense
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: around that guy. So with Drake May, you're gonna have
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: to develop him as a passer. Who's gonna do that here?
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: Like is it gonna be Bill? Is it gonna be
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Bill O'Brien? Do we trust either Bill to do that
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: with a young quarterback? Like those are I think major
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: question marks. And that's why I'm not sweating the fact that, Okay,
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: maybe they are going to end up with Pennix instead
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: of Drake May, because ultimately I think that all these
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: guys are going to have to be manufactured in some
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: sort of way, and my confidence level is kind of low,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: honestly on doing that.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: And the other thing about the way the Patriots are
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: playing of late really the way they played all season
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: in terms of effort, But now it's they're winning a
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: couple of games here, people say, well, you know, that's
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: gonna help Belichick's case staying with the Patriots. I don't
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: think as much that, but I think he is showing
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the rest of the league that he can still coach,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: you know. And I don't know if a lot of
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: people even ever question that, but in case they did,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the fact that this locker room's playing hard for him,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: they're winning some football games here, I think other teams
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: are like, yeah, we'd like him. The thing about him
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: is still the offseason stuff, you know, Like, but I
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: think if he goes to another team, he might be
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: more willing to not do something he doesn't have already
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: with another team and just coach the team. And I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: think these this last month has helped him in that
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: in that way.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: I just think that the crazy thing to me is
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: I think I read that there are twelve AFC teams
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: that are still in the playoff hunt at this point,
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: and just for the Patriots not to be in that position,
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: given the quality of football overall this year, I think
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: that's just what's most surprising. To me, as Evan said,
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: I don't think the offense has changed all that much.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: It's it's still kind of looks like it has looked.
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: For me, the biggest thing in Bill's favor right now
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: is just bar More emerging, like finally a player is
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: emerging into a star role like that. That that, to me,
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: is what it was going to take. I just I
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: just think it's too little, too late.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Oh I agree for here, Yeah, but I do think
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that other teams, you know, say yeah, we'll take Bill.
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: I just think if you gave him a good team,
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: like you know, it's I mean, look, it's his fault
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: that there's no talent on the team, But if you
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: gave him a talented team, I still, you know, think
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: that he would be able to tell that team exactly
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: what they need to do to beat any talent.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: A talented team that's coachable wants to be coached, you know,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: because there are talented guys out there that they they're
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: not coachable. They don't want the kind of regime that
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Bill would demand. Right now, maybe he'd soften up with
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: an I don't know, but I'm not for everyone.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: I just don't I agree that Bill can still coach.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: I think we all agree that with that, I mean
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: at least on defense, Like I don't know if he
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: has anything to do with offense at this point, but
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: I agree that he can still coach. I think the
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: problem is is that it's so hard to envision a
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: scenario where somebody else running personnel is actually running personnel
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: with like a new vision of how to build the team.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: And that's like why I can't wrap my head around
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: how exactly that would work if he was just the
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: coach and John Robinson was the general manager or somebody else,
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: because ultimately that that GM is going to be picking
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: players to give them to Bill Bellich.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean obviously in any situation like that, the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: head coach has input, of course, and they mutually agree
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: this is the kind of team we want go get
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: those types of players, right.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: But it's just if you give Bill, let's say, you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: just an example, they give Bill a receiver and that
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: receiver gets on the field and he's running the wrong
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: routes and he's and he's fumbling you know the ball,
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Bill's gonna bench him. Okay, So if you give him
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: a running back and he can't pick up a blitz
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Bill's not going to play him. If you give him
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: a two d and twenty five pound linebacker, Bill's gonna
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: make him a safety, right And so at the end
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: of the day, the guy that's going to be picking
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: the personnel is going to have to pick personnel that
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: fit what Bill want wants him to do. And that's
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: the problem, is that the what Bill wants to do,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: especially on offense, is not working well.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Like I said, maybe in another team he loosens up
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit and you know, his philosophy and and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe he plays the linebacker as a linebacker. You know,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I I it's I don't know.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I think I know, I think some other teams would
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: benefit from having him.
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's almost a cliche at this point
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: of almost like what happened with Brady, where you know,
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: he just he went to a team that was sitting
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: and waiting and just kind of needed this guy to
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: come in and not only play great, but also just
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: do instill the belief that this team.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Could win it all.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: You know, And I know the Chargers are an easy
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: one and I don't necessarily think that's gonna happen.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: But that's if you were gonna paint it out.
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: It's like, all right, well, here's like, you know, kind
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: of this loosey, goosey talented team from California, and Bill's
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: gonna come in and he's gonna instill discipline and you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: and the game plans that they need to get over.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Think about when Brady came here, they had Bledsoe. Bledsoe
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: was the guy. He had just been signed to one
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: hundred million dollar contract. But Bill, he wasn't Bill's guy.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: He was the crafts guy. Bledsoe Bledsoe was here before Bill,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: you know, and he was the crafts guy. He had
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: a direct line of communication to ownership. So Brady comes
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: in and you know, you see that sign that he
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: can play, and then he proves it. Bill was more
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: than happy to make him the starting quarterback because now
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: he's my guy. He does it the way I wanted
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: to do. He's beholden to me. Six round pick didn't
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: come in here with you know, you know, the gravitaze
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: that you know, a first overall pick would have. He
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: was the perfect guy for Bill, you know, and Bill
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: likes those type of players. You know.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: I do wonder though, I mean, I know you said
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: that you don't feel this way about if they finish
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: out the year strong. And I went into that locker
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: room after that win against Denver on Christmas Eve, and
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: that's not a locker room that's like checked out.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: On they they opposite.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, you see the video that we put out.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: I know, you know, that was genuine. Like I know
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of people think that that's like manufact It wasn't. Like,
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: that's a genuine reaction. Those guys are are playing hard
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: for their coaches, for Bill, for each other, obviously too
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: in themselves, but like I really feel like they had
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: all the reason in the world to get blown out
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: in Denver on Sunday night.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And people say, you know, you can play hard,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: but check out. In other words, you're not playing mentally strong.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: You don't care as much. You know, Like if you
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: don't play hard, you're gonna get killed. In the NFL,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: You're gonna get hurt, you know, if you're not going
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: at one hundred percent speed. But going at one hundred
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: percent speed doesn't mean you're always playing smart, you know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: And that's what checking out means, and that's how you
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: lose football games. But I think with this team they're
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: they're yeah, they're they're not talent wise, they're not that great,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: but they're playing hard. They're playing up to their mental capability,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: you know, and that includes making some dumb mistakes at times.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: But you know, there's no quit in this team right now.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: And that's a testament to the coaching staff and Bill Belichick.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: And if I'm an owner of another team, I look
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: at that, you know the fact that he's got these
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: guys playing as hard as you know they can, as
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: if they were in the playoff hunt, and that means something.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it doesn't.
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: I mean I made the point them up Barmore, and
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: I mean I would I would throw some of these
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: rookies who are starting. I mean Marty Mapu forcing another fumble.
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: You know, he's not getting a lot of chances, But
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, Pop Douglas just set the record for rookie
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: receptions under Belichick.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: The key on White had probably an underrated game.
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: So you know, I think those are the things to
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: me that that stand out, you know, not necessarily even
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: that they're still playing hard for him, but just that
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: players are getting better and players are starting to make plays,
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: and that that's the only way, like I mean we
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: can talk about Bill and who's going to be the
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: GM and all that stuff, and the bottom line is
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: that they need the players to play better and to
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: be better, and if they show signs of that, then
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: you know, that's reason for a little bit of optimism
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: and maybe second guessing of what the future might hold.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we talked about it. I think there's
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a bunch of players on this defense that I'd love
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: to have on my team going forward. And I think
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: there's got some dogs. You know, we're looking for silver lining. Yeah,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: you know, Paul had to go to shoot something for
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: All Access. He'll be back in Evan the same thing.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: He's shooting something. So Paul'll be back. I'll leave, you know,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: we'll just still get a little rotating.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: All right, chairs here, let's let's we got people calling in,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: we got people emailing in. So let's get to that
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: eight five to five. Pats five hundred is the eight
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: ticket hot line. Web radio at patries dot com is
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: email address. Let's get to the phones. Willem and fell
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: them is on the phone. What's up? William?
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Hey, William, pay for it?
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: Pay for it?
• 47:06
  Speaker 10: And Mike, how y'all doing all right? Happy holidays, see y'all. Okay,
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: all right, I just heard Evan talking. I wanted to
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: ask him something so bad. Okay, so you wouldn't trade
• 47:18
  Speaker 10: He wouldn't trade up to get the quarterback that you want.
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: I don't want Michael Pennick honestly because his injuries scared me,
• 47:25
  Speaker 10: you know what I mean.
• 47:25
  Speaker 9: I mean, he's a deep throw, passing all it, I get.
• 47:28
  Speaker 10: It, but his injuries just just gives me. But if
• 47:30
  Speaker 10: you like Drake, make like you said, fred or Keayler Williams.
• 47:33
  Speaker 11: Or go get him.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go get him.
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just just that simple. I just wanted to
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: ask him though, like, like, okay, so if we had
• 47:43
  Speaker 10: number four, but you wouldn't trade to go get him.
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: M though two was better when we were sitting at though.
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: But you're sitting there four.
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: You need a quarterback.
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: I mean, what do you what do you want to do?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it all depends on what you like. And like
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: you said, if you really think that Drake is going
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: to be the guy, he's your quarterback for the next decade,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: go get him. Go get him, because he ain't gonna
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: be in next year's draft. He's in this year's draft, you.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: Know, yes, and I would say too, like this is
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: a guy you want to make the face of your
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: franchise too that you know, that's part of it too.
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: If you you know, really like the kid and you
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: think that he's gonna you know, present the brand, well,
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: can you be right of it?
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: You can be wrong, but you know, but you got
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: to do it, go down, taking a big swing.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: You got to do it. Yeah, thanks William. All right,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: happy holidays, Thanks William. When do you start saying Happy
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: New Year today?
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to say.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: It until it happens we're still in happy Yeah.
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: I think until uh mixed one of six point seven
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: switches over from all holidays, that's when you got so
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: you can say.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: It like the day after and then for two weeks
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I just say Mary New Year. I think that's the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Emily Post etiquette for saying Happy New Year. Uh. Michael's
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: in Vermont? What's up, Michael?
• 48:52
  Speaker 8: Not much?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: How you guys going to that? Okay?
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Hello Michael.
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: I want to go back to where you guys talk
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: about the coach.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: M Yeah.
• 49:00
  Speaker 12: I think if we can get a new GM and
• 49:02
  Speaker 12: Lot Belichick's be the coach, we would be a lot
• 49:05
  Speaker 12: better well, he's not focusing on both GM and coach.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: As long as he's bought in.
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: I agree, I agree too, but I feel like the
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: majority of the work of the GM is done in
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: the off season.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: There in a year. What's that? I'm sorry, sorry, Mike
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: was talking next year, Zay, So you think they shouldn't
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: be looking for a new quarterback. You think they've got
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the quarterback.
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: I think, personally, we got a good quarterback.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I disagree with that.
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: I I mean I I I mostly disagree, but I
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: would just say, you know, if you draft a guy
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: that you feel like you need to sit for a
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: little while, I think, you know, there are worse things
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: than Ben Zappy.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. I just I don't know.
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: I think, look two games and I know we're not
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: gonna I don't want to make definitive judgment over these
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: last two games, but like he's got some strides to make,
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: and the experience counts for a lot, and he has
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: gotten better in every game.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: And look, at the end.
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: Of the day, if he's just a backup, it's still
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: a valuable piece to the team. So I'm in no
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: rush to get rid of Bailey ZAPPI for sure, we'll
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: just let him fight, let him fight for compete.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks Michael, appreciate the call. Let's go to
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Chris in New Hampshire. What's up, Chris, Hey.
• 50:06
  Speaker 12: Brose, thanks taking my call. Yeah, I just want to say,
• 50:09
  Speaker 12: o craft trades Bill. I was okay with letting him, like,
• 50:14
  Speaker 12: you know, go on his own terms, but the team's
• 50:16
  Speaker 12: such a dumpster fire. Now you gotta get something for him.
• 50:19
  Speaker 12: That team's a dumpster fire because.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Well sorry, yeah, no, no, I keep going. I just
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: don't think. I think I don't think they can draft him.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I don't mean, like rules wise, I just don't think
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: it would work out, you know.
• 50:33
  Speaker 12: Oh, I mean I'm sure. I hope they can find
• 50:35
  Speaker 12: a way, But I mean the team's dumpster fire, and
• 50:38
  Speaker 12: Bill is the one that bought the dumpster, filled a
• 50:40
  Speaker 12: pull of trash and said on fire. So to let
• 50:43
  Speaker 12: him walk for nothing to me is like I know
• 50:46
  Speaker 12: I got something for him, especially if he's worth something
• 50:50
  Speaker 12: somebody else. Because the way it's looking this team, I
• 50:54
  Speaker 12: wouldn't be surprised I at another top five to ten
• 50:56
  Speaker 12: pick next year's draft.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in order to train, he's got to want to
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: go there and the other team has to want him,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: and you know you have to. I mean, but no,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I don't. He doesn't have to do anything. You could
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: just retire. He could, he could.
• 51:10
  Speaker 12: What I'm saying is like, if can the craft basically
• 51:13
  Speaker 12: like a power move and be like, sorry, Bill, you're
• 51:15
  Speaker 12: going uh, I don't know Jacksonville TFB.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they could say that if Jacksonville really wanted him
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: and made the Crafts an offer, that is okay. They
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: could do that, But then Bill could say I'm not
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: going right, like, yeah.
• 51:28
  Speaker 12: Well by retiring, doesn't I get him out of paying them?
• 51:32
  Speaker 12: So either you trade him somewhere? Yeah, him retire yep.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: I just they're not doing that.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I try. I struggle seeing them play hard ball
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: with him.
• 51:40
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, he retired, but so the rights to him,
• 51:43
  Speaker 13: they they would.
• 51:44
  Speaker 12: The Crafts have the rights to Belichick if Belichick retires
• 51:48
  Speaker 12: instead of going where they trade them to.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they would, But but do you really want to
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: do that with a coach that you know you won
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: six Super Bowls with went to nine.
• 51:58
  Speaker 12: I was all set to honor Bill, but this team
• 52:01
  Speaker 12: is such a dumpster fire that you gotta get something
• 52:04
  Speaker 12: for him if it was built by somebody else, and
• 52:09
  Speaker 12: he was just driving a bus that exploded, that's one thing.
• 52:12
  Speaker 12: But he, like I said, he he set the dumpster
• 52:15
  Speaker 12: on fire.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he also he also, you know, was the
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: head coach of the greatest dynasty in the NFL. So
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: does that mean any of that?
• 52:23
  Speaker 12: I mean, uh, not to me, to me, not currently?
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: No, Okay, so get something.
• 52:29
  Speaker 12: So I'm grateful for Bill, but get someone for him
• 52:32
  Speaker 12: if you can, if you can.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: But I just I don't think it's realistic. I think
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: it would be a drawn out thing, and the Patriots
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: have stuff to do.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: I think I think.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: You just let him go.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: But I just like, I think it's funny how he
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: built this dumpster fire. But now a team is going
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: to all of a sudden give up something of value
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: for Bill, Like you can't. He's either a good coach
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: or he's not. But besides the.
• 52:54
  Speaker 12: Point, I agree with you too. As a fan who
• 52:58
  Speaker 12: followed the team pretty closely, I don't know what what
• 53:01
  Speaker 12: team would hands Bill the keys to their team.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I just don't think.
• 53:07
  Speaker 12: The thing where it's like, you got some silly stuff
• 53:09
  Speaker 12: going on and you want to just like tight some
• 53:11
  Speaker 12: stuff up, but in reality, you don't get that with Bill,
• 53:14
  Speaker 12: you have to hand over the entire keys to the
• 53:16
  Speaker 12: Castle of Bill.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: We assume that, but like you know, there is a
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: possibility that on another team, he'd be willing to have
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: a more traditional setup.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, as much as I would love to get the
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: most you possibly can for him, and if it like
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: works out that way, then great. I just think that
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: there has to be some sort of similar to how
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: it ended with Brady. I know people disagree on this
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: topic all the time, but they could have tried to
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: play hardball with Tom Brady and they didn't out of
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: respect for what he did here for twenty years. And
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: I think it's the same thing with Bill. Like to
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: say to trade him to you know who knows where
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: and just say like you have to go here and
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: we got this bet, you know whatever, Like that's that's
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: really disrespeckful to the guy that's done as much for
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: this organization. I just don't I just don't see that.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: I don't see the Crafts playing hardball like that with Bill.
• 54:10
  Speaker 12: The one thing I would say is I think the
• 54:13
  Speaker 12: interesting if someone treated Bill the way Bill treated all players,
• 54:17
  Speaker 12: contink Bill was like the whole get rid of them
• 54:20
  Speaker 12: before they're a problem. Thing, Like, it'd be interesting if
• 54:23
  Speaker 12: someone was like, hey, Bill, guess what we're gonna do
• 54:25
  Speaker 12: you Now, there's been a bunch of players that left,
• 54:29
  Speaker 12: got traded, walked.
• 54:31
  Speaker 14: Yecause they were a year.
• 54:32
  Speaker 13: Or two late.
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: Thing.
• 54:33
  Speaker 12: But yeah, hey, guys, I appreciate you taking my call.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, thanks, Chris, appreciate it. Let's go to David in
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Rhode Island. Hey David, Hey, Hello, hey, Hey.
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: The only thing I have to say, like, what's like,
• 54:48
  Speaker 8: I'm a New England patrioton in and out, but what
• 54:51
  Speaker 8: the hell is going with all of these casuals that
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: don't know anything about football? Even if you got rid
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: of Belichick, who were you going to replace him with?
• 54:58
  Speaker 8: Why would you go with j Ron Mayo or anybody
• 55:01
  Speaker 8: else that's in the same coaching tree. It's basically the
• 55:03
  Speaker 8: same product.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 55:05
  Speaker 8: I just don't understand that. And at the end of
• 55:06
  Speaker 8: the day, you guys keep complaining and disgracing Mac Jones.
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: But what did he do so different than what Zacy did?
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: They both want two games apiece. Yeah, but what does
• 55:16
  Speaker 8: it really matter?
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, you've said that right, It's not that much different.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I hear what you're saying. David, So what's
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: your solution here. Obviously it sounds like you want a
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: new quarterback. I get that, but what about the coaching position?
• 55:31
  Speaker 8: This is what I think, and it's common sense. And
• 55:33
  Speaker 8: if you pay attention to listen to even what the
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: former players are saying, even if you listen to something
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: that Shane Vereen even saidn't even down to mc cordy,
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: you can't really give Mac Jones a fair assessment if
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: they're giving them garbage pieces guys that are just coming
• 55:47
  Speaker 8: out of Norfolk County working on the friar lator trying
• 55:49
  Speaker 8: to play football. No, you need to put if we
• 55:52
  Speaker 8: can get like a Marvin Harrison junior builder offensive line
• 55:55
  Speaker 8: and get pieces around him, and if he stinks and
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: shoots the bettsest part of my oh, and it's fair
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: to say than all right, then it's a failed product.
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: But he's still on his rookie deal and you didn't
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: do him any justice. He had two different offensive coordinators
• 56:08
  Speaker 8: in a couple of years. You're giving them Matt Patricia
• 56:10
  Speaker 8: that God knows.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, So you're saying that there's still there's still a
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: chance that Mac could be the guy. God?
• 56:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, because yeah, because at the end of the day,
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: what did he do that? I was still what does
• 56:20
  Speaker 8: Zappi do that was so special? All right, Mac Jones.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that it's not a binary choice.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think we're saying it's
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Mac or Zappi. Most people are saying it's neither.
• 56:32
  Speaker 8: Nah. I honestly think that the kid deserves a fair chance.
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: My personal opinion, if I was to get a quarterback,
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: I would go Jalen Daniel in the draft, and then
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: you build around them. You have a couple of pieces.
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: You've got kay Shaun Boody. Why he's not playing, I
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: don't know why. The other kid Douglas is good. You
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: gotta get rid of Juju and the other guy, Parker,
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: the pieces of him for those guys, and you just
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: need to get other pieces of players that can develop
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: and create separations so you can go we have a
• 56:59
  Speaker 8: championship beef and we're a couple of pieces of weight.
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: It's just that people seem to forget and one things
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: are going bad. It's really not that bad. Still, as
• 57:07
  Speaker 8: a GM, he didn't do so much. He didn't do
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: as good. The way he drives defense is kind of
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: the way he drives offense, and he thinks everybody's expendable,
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: and that's not how it should be. You got now
• 57:18
  Speaker 8: he has with that, and get players that you know
• 57:20
  Speaker 8: that can create separation and that can get it put
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: points on the board.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, David, I appreciate the call.
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I had some questions for him about would you
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: still be playing Mac?
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: Do you think?
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, look, I don't think that Devonte Parker is
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: the number one that everybody wants, but like, the guy
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: just made like two huge catches and helped you get
• 57:40
  Speaker 7: in position to win a game, and you can't get
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: rid of him if any faster right now? Does Max
• 57:46
  Speaker 7: still deserve more of a chance? Like, and I get,
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: like we talk, it's not that much better. But I'm
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: sorry Mac was broken and you think that like it's
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: everyone else's fault and like as much as.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: We temper it with, well, it hasn't looked all that different.
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: Well I'm sorry, Like Billy Zappy has helped this win
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: two games in the last four weeks, and I'm not
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: saying it was all on him, but Mac, they gave
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: him chance after chance after chance, and he kept making
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: stupid plays that just cannot be played in the league,
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: so I you know, and I.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Just it just pisses me off.
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: The people are like they come in like I'm the
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: football Oh you casuals. All the casuals out there like like, no,
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: this is that's what God, No, that's the that's the
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: new insult. As in like I sit in my mighty
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: football perch. I watch every game seven times a week,
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: and anyone else who doesn't do that doesn't know.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: And you're just a casual fan. And then you come
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: in and you tell me, well, we.
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: Got to get rid of Devonte Parker, the guy that
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: just made the biggest catching a game in Denver to
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: win the game.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Like you know, David coaches Pop one.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: I would just I would all push back. Not whatever
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: he said he said about all that stuff, but like
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: this notion that girod. Mayo would be the exact same
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: coach as Bill I think is really far off base.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: And I'm not saying Mao is the answer. I'm or
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: like my first choice or whatever. If you want to
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: hire from outside the tree. I totally get that. But
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: you to the players and the guys that are actually
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: being coached by Gerard Mayo, and he's a totally different
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: person than Bill is. The words that you were used
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: to describe him are like players coach, right, like big brother, right,
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: you know, like those types.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Of Yeah, anything you know of Gerard Mayo. Now, you
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: can't put in the bank that that's how he'll be
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: if he's the head coach.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that I think that his personality just
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: naturally is really a lot. Maybe he looks at the
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: game defensively similarly to Bill, or like the way to
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: prepare and the way to game plan and like all
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, But in terms of like how
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: he interacts with his players and his whole just persona,
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: I think is just significantly different than that. And I
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: will hand it off to Paul.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Now, okay, let's go to Jasper in Summerville. What's up Jasper?
• 59:53
  Speaker 14: Hey, guys, first on caller, love the show and thanks
• 59:58
  Speaker 14: for taking my call. I agree with the kind of
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 14: the doomsayers saying, oh well there goes Kleb Williams. That's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 14: ridiculous to me. I think the wins the morale is
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 14: worth more than the pick, if that makes sense. Like,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 14: it just feels good, especially to see far more go off. Yea,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 14: But for me, I kind of limit you know what
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 14: you were saying, Like, h Patriots are kind of maybe
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 14: a little agnostic. They have a they have they have
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 14: teers and boards and fourth pick, second pick, you know,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 14: but if we had the second pick, think about how
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 14: exciting it could be to trade that get future first
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 14: or first, like to first. I just feel like the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 14: options there are just so much more exciting.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yeah, and that's.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 14: That's my statement. Thanks for the show, Love you guys.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks Jasper.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: I like Jasper's way of thinking, Yeah, what more options?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: How you are the more options you have, it doesn't
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: have to be about just taking a guy.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just this team needs a lot
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: of work.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: Like I mean, I think anybody that thinks even if
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: they had the first overall pick that they'd be right
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: back in the hunt immediately, it's.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: A little bit of a stretch to me, but it
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: can get you back in the hunt, No, for sure.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: But I still think you can make a pick of
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: four that can get you back in the hunt too.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: But my point is, like, let's say Fred's right, and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: Caleb Williams and Drake may are just two more of
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: the best in this particular class. But nothing special. And
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: the Patriots think that too. Well, the higher you pick,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: the more you're gonna get for your pick. If so,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: if you deem Caleb Williams's I mean, everybody wants them,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: but I don't see it. I'm going to get two
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: first round picks in the future. Second and do what
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: Chicago did. Yeah, like that's the higher you picked, the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: more valuable you pick. It is.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: And the Texans but that takes real cojones to do that.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: And I'm sure everyone would absolutely kill them if they
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: traded the second overall pick and they you know, I
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 7: mean if people are mad that you're not that you're
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 7: picking four instead of two and they, but when you're
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: in two and you traded too, it's a I just
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of work to be done. Well, I mean,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: we'll get into all the draft stuff, but I just
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: think that no, and I and I mean, and then
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: who doesn't want to be Houston last year? Who doesn't
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: want to come away with C. J. Stroud and will
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: Anderson and you you know? And now, but you had
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: to bite the bullet.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: I understand. That's how it worked. You got Stroud and
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: no one saw Stroud being this good, this fast, okay,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: but by training down in accumulating picks, your message is
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: we need a lot. We need probably a couple of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: tackles and a couple of receivers and some depth on
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: defense everywhere, but safety, like they need a lot.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, but don't you think that's more realistic though,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: to trade down from four than two?
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: No, it's not worth as much.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Only if you know it depends on who you like.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: It's not realistic if you believe that Drake made the guy.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: It is realistic. If you need a lot and you're
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: not convinced that either one is the guy, that it's
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: more realistic.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: That's not what he What do he say? He he's saying,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: like you can trade down from four?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it has not formiliar where.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: Right, No, you can, but I think two is worth
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: more than four. It will get you more picks. Right's
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 6: not going to do with Drake many?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: No, I know. But why do you say it's more
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: realistic to trade down.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: From Because he thinks the backlash from passing up one
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: on one of those guys is bad well.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: And that there's also just a certain level and this
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: I think exists through the you know, for like the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 7: top first half of the first round is you're if
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: you're in that position, you're almost obligated to take a
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: quarterback if there's one slotted in that spot like that, if.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: You think they're going to be your future.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: But even if you don't, like, even if like, do
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: you think that every every top ten pick, that every
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: team that selected all the you know, the tree lances,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: that has a conviction this.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Is went you went from the top two to top ten.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Well it' said top fifteen was what I said. The
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: point was, if you're in the.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: Top fifteen and you need a quarterback, mac Jones, you're
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: kind of obligated to take one. Like it's it's it's
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: just it's like no one could wrap their head around
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: them being it too and trading out to Drake Man because.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: That's a bad way to run my same person another apartment.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be obligated to do anything. I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: want to do it because I believe.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: It, and I don't think I don't think. I do
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: think that teams take quarter they they talk themselves into quarterbacks.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: I think Mike is right. I don't think that you
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: have to take a quart You can't trade because you
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 6: have to take a quarterback. If you think Caleb Williams
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: is everything but the other guys are just met, then
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: you don't have to take the other guys. Now, you
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: can talk yourself into it. And I'm sure there's been
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: a you know, a litany of teams that have done that,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: we think, and probably some of those teams that talk
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: themselves into a guy that they didn't really love probably
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: were rewarded for it. They They probably weren't all like
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: Blake Gordles, he's raw. But you know, that's probably not
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: a great example because they trade it up.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: With Josh Rose in the other end of the stottum
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: right now, where you're just like, well, he's the number
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: three guy.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: We need a quarterback.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: He's the you know, then we got those kinds of guys,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: and that's you know, how what is the conviction like
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: for I mean, and it's easy when you're picking one
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: or two and there's.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Two or three quarterbacks and you know, all right, it's easy
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: to talk yourself into it.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: But you know, I think to to the bigger point,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: it's just like, yeah, sure, when you're sitting at one
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: or two and you got your pick of the litter.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a little bit easier.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: We've had a lot of calls, Paul, A lot of
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: good calls.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: Missed some good ones.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to Eldred and Charlotte. What's up Eldred Aldred?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 15: Hey, Hey, could y'all hear me?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 15: Ump in the mountains.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 8: I might lose you in the mountains.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: Okay, but we'll roll the dice.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 15: I ain't gonna say it that much, y'all. Drafting, I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 15: don't know. But what kiars me the most here we
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 15: keep winning and they're not gonna change nothing, and the
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 15: GM is still here.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: That's that's a whole different that's a whole different element
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: of this, and it's very interesting, very interesting. I'll relay
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: some of the conversation we just had as we were shooting.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's hear that.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 15: But instead, though I watched Drake May I told y'all,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 15: and eat him on a note.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 13: They're consistent.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 15: Now he can run, yeah, you know, he can go
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 15: a little deep, but he'll think it's no I keep saying,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 15: Michael Pennick, like I said, like the way he played,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 15: I like like like you in New Weather, like like
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 15: New England. And then you'll see New Year's day.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 13: It gets Texas, what do you look like?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: What he played?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 16: Like?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 15: I've been watching Tomorrow all year or two. So Drake
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 15: May and Caleb william He don't toe you don't want
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 15: to play in New England. But if y'all want to
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 15: go draft mem if you won't, probably doing another.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: They're not going to have an opportunity to draft either
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: one of those guys, So it doesn't really matter. They're
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: not They're not getting up to one. Caleb Williams is
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: not that is not going to be available to the Patriots.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 15: No, maybe not, but but like I said, if he
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 15: is who they picked, well I wish you everybody look
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 15: there the opposite Becking root for him too, but not
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 15: the guy I will go with.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 13: But y'all have a good one.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: All right, Thanks, thanks big E. Yeah, I mean I
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 6: just don't the Chicago thing. If they hold onto the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: pick and they you know, are they really going to
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: take Marvin Harrison at one?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: Does that make sense to people?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 7: I'm thinking yeah, like, and it's hard to trade down
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: if you believe in justin fields.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: Maybe it does, no, But I just think that there's
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: so much more value in that pick than to take
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: a wide receiver at one, but.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: It's hard to trade down past three and think you
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: could get him, you know, Like, I mean, he's probably
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: gonna go in those first three picks.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: So what was the convo? I don't want to hear.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: No, just that like, has the wind changed anything, you
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: know in terms of your thoughts?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: And I just like, who are the speakers here? Were
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: you talking?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: It's the crew, It's Steve Burton, it's Mike Matt Smith.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: Just the to me that my answer is always the same.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: It's like they asked me, does this change anything for you?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: And I said for me, no, what did you think that?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: And I said, did you think before the Denver game
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: that he was gone? And if the answer is yes,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: then I don't see how anything changes. If you didn't
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: know heading into the Denver game and you're saying, well,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: you know, I'm on the fence. They've played really hard,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: they've won two out of three. Maybe he's saving his job,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 6: that's what you think. Like if you think he was
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: gone before the Denver game, and then they beat Denver
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: in a meaningless game, and that's changing your opinion. And
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: not only they beat Denver in a meaningless game, but
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: let's let's call it for what it was. They were
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: less bad than Denver. Yeah right, I mean that was
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: another common theme for our post games, like there was
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: a craptastic game of mistakes that we made one fewer
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: than they did, and they ended up winning the game
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: because of it. Right, It's not like they went out
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: and blew doors off and played this really impressive, you know,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: execution game on both sides of the ball, like even
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: I would have said, like defensively, at least they you know,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: they really executed and then they fell apart. Yeah.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: I think for me, I don't think the interesting question
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: is what we feel. It's what Robert Kraft feels and and.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: That's the that's the real question. And you know, my
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: thoughts haven't really changed, But I just I can't help
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: but wonder an owner who's a little bit older and
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: has this familiarity with this coach, and you know, it
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: would be the easy thing to just let him come back,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: to try to give them a couple more seasons, you know,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 7: to to buy into we lost a lot of close games,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 7: and not to just completely upset the apple cart and
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 7: have to deal with a new GM, a new relationship
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: with someone else. That's gonna maybe come in here and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: totally change the culture. You know, It's it's easy to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 7: see if you were in Robert Kraft's position, why you
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 7: might say, you know what, we only got so much
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: time left.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna arrive with my guy Bill. We'll see what happens.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 7: I still believe in him that that's the question for
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: you know, for us on the outside, I think we're
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: all in agreement that it's just probably time first.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: But it's a big ask.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 7: It's a big ask, and usually they we talked about Mayo.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 7: I think when organizations they move on and they change
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 7: things like it's it's hard to completely wipe the whole
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: slate clean and bring in an all new personnel to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 7: run your business. The thing that's easy to do is
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: to at least have some semblance of what we're familiar with,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: someone I have a relationship with that I at least
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 7: know if things get dicey early on that that we're
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 7: gonna be able to push through it, because this isn't
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: some new guy that I haven't experience this with.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: All Right, time to take a break one week, Paul's
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: can eat his napkin. I guess no, I was doing TV. Okay,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: so we could just take a break. Okay, all right,
• 1:10:09
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• 1:10:10
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  Speaker 13: In the last five games.
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  Speaker 16: The third year defensive tackle out of Alabama continues to
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  Speaker 8: Another sack for Christian Barmore.
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  Speaker 16: Second touchdown catch of the season by Elliott, second from.
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  Speaker 11: a sack.
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  Speaker 13: Back at the twenty nine.
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  Speaker 16: Boy, it's been a long time coming for John Goojay
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  Speaker 16: to wrap up another sack for New England.
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  Speaker 13: And keep him in the pocket.
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  Speaker 8: Badley's up.
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  Speaker 13: He didn't run it, he slung it and he's found
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  Speaker 13: Mike a sickie cut a touchdown. Here's second of the season.
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  Speaker 13: Well Hens happy on the boom.
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  Speaker 13: He sides up, I go run it.
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  Speaker 13: the floor, runs to the left, Hash Bartech.
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  Speaker 13: The ball was knocked out by Mark Ka Bob boom.
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  Speaker 13: That's his second take away in his many weeks and Davis.
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  Speaker 11: Paul's on it for a new England touchdown.
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  Speaker 18: Break call, Bob, break call.
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  Speaker 20: You got his ass kicking, oh first receiving its Depper
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  Speaker 20: take his place right now. This third quarter, I mean
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  Speaker 20: the points, Look at the energy on.
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  Speaker 18: The bench, most big this team, but Wilson.
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  Speaker 13: Look at the brow he rolled down. Light came by
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  Speaker 16: rumped it with the crab look against the call.
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  Speaker 11: I'm gonna bunch out with the defender.
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  Speaker 11: Johnson one straight a half hid by Bio, but he
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  Speaker 20: Denver as we have a dolar player, yep, you have
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  Speaker 20: a goal. Elely play where you're going for doom and
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  Speaker 20: said we'll go Hence Atlanta.
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  Speaker 13: Looks Joys left, Josey left.
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  Speaker 19: Johnson makes the tech hunt for the time for Johnson
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  Speaker 19: to the pot line touch down big Earl.
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  Speaker 13: Two point games.
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  Speaker 11: Wilson gold got.
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  Speaker 16: Bentley into the end. Dude on his fat five ball
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  Speaker 16: game twenty three, twenty three, two fifty three to go
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  Speaker 1: Minutes ago.
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  Speaker 13: The rookie Maryland by way of Eastern Michigan.
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  Speaker 13: This season, he's missed four of his last seven field
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  Speaker 16: You will have an opportunity from screen on fifty six yards.
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  Speaker 6: Away victory for the.
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  Speaker 11: Maradona over the football.
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  Speaker 16: Ways when he burned in the man, the stack the spot,
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  Speaker 16: the kick clears the line.
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  Speaker 3: Here's god, the kid did it with.
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  Speaker 13: Two seconds to go.
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  Speaker 19: Ryland is given the Patriots, but twenty six twenty three
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  Speaker 19: lead here in Denver and he's.
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  Speaker 11: Mobed by his teammates on the far side. And how
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  Speaker 11: good must that feels?
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  Speaker 20: What he'll call right here?
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  Speaker 18: Mop kudos to you man. Wow, what a kick by
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  Speaker 18: a kid. He knew it right away too.
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  Speaker 20: I'm watching him kick it while you're watching the kick
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  Speaker 20: and he's fist pumping the second and left his book
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  Speaker 20: watch when he hits it.
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  Speaker 11: He knew it right away. He drove that kick straight
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  Speaker 11: down the middle.
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  Speaker 7: I come out of just I think there's with some
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  Speaker 7: two hundred sides, Like that's too many, Like mashed potato,
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  Speaker 7: baked potatoes, twice baked potato.
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  Speaker 3: What do you like French fries?
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  Speaker 1: You know that would be you win the meal on
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  Speaker 1: the side.
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  Speaker 4: The appetizers are in the margins always is very good.
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  Speaker 4: Appreciate dinner.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: All the girls are wearing just cut off sweatshirts.
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  Speaker 1: What's up William? Hey?
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  Speaker 9: How you doing?
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  Speaker 21: Do you hear me?
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  Speaker 8: Yes?
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  Speaker 9: Okay, Hey, just want to first of all, give a
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  Speaker 9: shout out to Deuce for putting that guy in his
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  Speaker 9: place where that was calling people casuals and then had
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  Speaker 9: the nerve to say that we should be starting Mac
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  Speaker 9: Jones in the next breath.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, just just pissed me off.
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  Speaker 9: That's half the reason I called all right. That point
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  Speaker 9: you made is the point that I was thinking in
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  Speaker 9: my head, I'm like, dude, getting lost. But anyway a
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  Speaker 9: lot of people are gonna think I should get lost
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  Speaker 9: because I actually like Bailey's acte. I like him, and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 9: I think he's earned the right to start next season.
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  Speaker 9: I'm not saying we don't have to draft a quarterback,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 9: but I think he should be given that opportunity because
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  Speaker 9: I don't think he was really given the opportunity to
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 9: start this year back in back in training camp.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're not, you know, and like I, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he's the guy. But here's the here's the
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: case for Bailey Zappey. This is his second year. Obviously,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: he didn't play his first year except for you know,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: in crazy circumstances because Mac got hurt and you know
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: all that stuff and then got benched. But he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: He set like n C double A records at Western Kentucky,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: you know, so you know he's like, yeah, so like
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: you know he can play the game of football, and
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: like you know, Teddy Bruski came in, Like I know
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  Speaker 1: he was at Arizona. That's a bigger program than Western Kentucky.
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  Speaker 1: But like, wasn't he the sack leader for the n
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  Speaker 1: C Double A. So like that in and of itself says, Okay,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: this guy has he can do some things. I think
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: you can make the same case for Bailey ZAPPI like
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  Speaker 1: maybe with time, with time and under the right coaching,
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  Speaker 1: he could be a really good and a felt quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate you making the case.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying that, Well, you were right about party.
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  Speaker 18: I was there.
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  Speaker 6: I was already give, I already give. I wasn't even
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  Speaker 6: going to bring it up.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: I was gonna wait till somebody else.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: I was in the car thinking, and I'm gonna get
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Paul going.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: It's really funny. I had a text, uh after the
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: fourth pick, getting ready to send, and I was like,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 6: he's just too giddy. I'm not even gonna I'm not
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: even gonna bother. I just figured that I'll take my
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: lumps tomorrow.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: William. So you're not crazy, absolutely not.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: I think you're not crazy.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 9: And and maybe a little when the thing is really quick,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 9: And I'm glad you feel that way because last year,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 9: you know, I was made fun of. I was called
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 9: a weirdo. I was told by guys like like Tom
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 9: Kern and Evan Lazar that my eyes didn't see what
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 9: what what they saw. Everybody was telling me, no, Zapy
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 9: really sucks and Mac is the one that's really good.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 9: And I'm like, no, I kind of saw what I saw.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 9: I think Zappy actually looked pretty good.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: Okay, can I offer a rebuttal now.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 9: With some different host seeds? Thanks?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: All right, Thanks William.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: Wow, I was nice to him and I said he
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: wasn't crazy. Now you're bat shit.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh this is the whole, like the Mac Jones thing.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 6: I totally agree with William. I think there was an
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: element of, I don't know, some kind of territoriality around here,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 6: like if you even suggested that there was a experience.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, Greg Bdard snapped at Joe Murray on the
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 6: radio and told him I'll let you know when there's
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 6: a quarterback controversy, when it's a quarterback competition. The mere
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: suggestion that Bailey Zappy deserved to compete with Mac Jones
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: brought you scorn and ridicule all summer long. I agree
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: with that, So that part I agree with William and
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: that wasn't fair. I would just ask, what have you
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 6: seen from Bailey Zappy that tells you that he should
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 6: be given an opportunity to start going forward?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he can navigate well.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: The only thing everything kind of illustrated that as bad
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: as Mac Jones was, Bailey's happy's numbers are worse.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: But but the only thing I can say is he
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: did it in college at a high level. He didn't
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: which has produced points and in numbers, and with the
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: right coaching, the things that we're seeing that he doesn't
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: do well now could be corrected.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 6: That's but he can make this if that means he's
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: going to become a better athlete and be bigger, because
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: those are the things that I don't think he has.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: The sizes is an issue, but guys' size have played
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: well in the NFL.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: Incredible athletes at that size, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson when
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 6: he was younger. There's not a lot of like six
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: foot guys that don't move well.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees wasn't a great athlete.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: He was a much better athlete than this, and he
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 6: may don't know about that he was, and he may
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 6: have been the best like pure passer, kind of reader
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 6: of defenses and anticipation and all that. Actually, yes, did he.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: And I don't know about you, but you just said
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 6: something that made me throw up in my mouth saying
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 6: at a high level Western Kentucky he did it in
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 6: the Big Ten.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: I get it, but but I'm just saying.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 6: That like he and I also think Brees is one
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: of the more overrated guys in the history of the league.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 6: But that's that's another right quarterback.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: I would just I agree with you, Paul that Bailey
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: Zappy was not given a fair chance over the summer
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: coming into training camp to compete for the starting job.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: And and that's something that like I'll learn from that, right,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: you know, I learned from Gunner Oschewsky called him not
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: an NFL player, and then he goes and is it
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: a probow a'll pro punt returner, So like I you know,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: I'll wear it on that one. But then we got
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: into training camp and he was so bad in training
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: camp they cut him, Like I don't understand. So when
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: you say, like you knew what your eyes were telling you,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: so did I. And when I watched these practices.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 6: He was horrible the ball.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: He couldn't hit an eight yard slant.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: And you know, and that's the thing, like, if if
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: he did have that potential, you don't risk it and
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: cut him and make him available to any team. You know,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: you could say, oh, it's a calculated risk. They knew
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: he would. Well, then if that's the case, then maybe
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: he wasn't that good.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying if he'll come against him, is that his.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Own team thought that, you know, they could cut him
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: and get him back, or they could cut him and
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: they didn't care if he signed with it.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: If he came into those practices and was lighting up
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: training camp practice and then playing well in the games
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff, I would have said, yeah,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: they need to start to give Zapi a couple of
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: looks here with the first team and some more reps
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: and things like that. But every single rep that he
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: got he was bad with it.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's what this is where I defend Badard.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: You know, when they asked him, you know, is there
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: a quarterback competition at that time?
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 6: There wasn't, But you're missing knowing about it.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. Let me finish. At that time,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: it's a fact that there wasn't a competition. It was
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Matt If the question was should there be one, then
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: to be so definitive the way badd was kind of dumb.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: But that's a different question than is their one.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally agree with the way you just said that.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 6: But where I'm defending William in Florida, who had the
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 6: original comment, He's right that it didn't matter if you
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 6: thought there was there should have been. If you, in
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: any way dared to compare the two, you were mocked,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: and you were mocked pretty much one hundred percent across
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: the board. I was mocked when I said, yeah, I
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 6: agree with Evan. I didn't think that Zappi, especially after
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: the first week, the first like three four days, I
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: thought it was fine, and he went downward at I
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: think around the time of the first preseason game he
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 6: really tailed off. He had a bad camp. I just
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 6: didn't think there was anything that was much different from
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 6: what matten. The offense looked atrocious all summer, and when
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: it looked that way the year before, we just blamed
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 6: it all on Patricia. Somehow everybody sat around here, you
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: can see the difference with the offense and there's a
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: tempo and listen, I wrote it too. I like I
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 6: I tried to believe that it was different, but my
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 6: eyes were telling me, well, there wasn't much difference between
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 6: the two guys. But if you said that out loud,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 6: you got mocked.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: I would say, at times a camp, the offense did
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: look better than last year. The problem is when they
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: got into the games, they couldn't do anything.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: I think it definitely looked better.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, in Green Bay it looked better, and I mean
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 7: they had some fairness to me in Greenville. Yeah, But
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 7: I think I'd feel better about Zappi if it was
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 7: kind of the inverse, because right now it feels like
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 7: it feeds right into what he does well. And you know,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 7: it's kind of like Evan said, like the gun slinger
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: thing and the protection breaks down and that's when he
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 7: make plays. I'd feel better if he was just executing
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 7: the plays in rhythm of the offense, kitting the open
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 7: guys and look, we don't have any big plays.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: We don't have any Okay, those will come, but he
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: knows how to read the defense and he knows what
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: he's doing in this offense.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: If he was doing that, then he would definitely have
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: a case to be starting quarterback in the league. If
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: he was playing instructure and you know the short throws
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: that I keep bringing up, if he was hitting those
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: types of plays, the layups that are presented to you
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: by the.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: Append if he was doing that, they would get more
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: than two hundred and eighty yards of offense every week, right,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: and they would certainly score more points than they've scored
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: every week. I'm gonna repeat this story. I'm pretty sure
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 6: I got a tweet from somebody who said, if he
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 6: had played in the Colts game, the Giants game, and
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 6: the Chargers game, they'd have three more wins.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: Well, he played in the Chargers Oh did he?
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 6: And how many points did he score in that one?
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 6: Like this is what you're dealing with with revisionist history,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: and now it's going the other way. In the summer,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 6: it was like, no, Mac is better. Mac is better.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 6: Mac is so much better. There's no difference, there's no
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 6: comparison between the skills. It's Mac. It's Mac, and you
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: were laughed at. Now Mac shouldn't even ever looked at
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 6: an NFL field and Bailey's appy, He's given him all
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 6: these different opportunities and he's stowed it. I totally agree
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 6: with Mike and Evan. Sunday night, he threw four or
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 6: five balls up and every one of them got caught
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 6: by his guy. The difference is the other team caught
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: him in some of those other games, like against the Giants.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 6: But if he threw he threw him up for grabs
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 6: against the Giants and the Giants caught him that day.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: But if you tell me that the more Bailey plays
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: is better he'll get, he'll improve. Like, I'm like, you know,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not closing my mind to that.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: Well, at least it's been entertaining.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: I I kind of am, because I just don't see.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: I can't anything anymore because every time I get on
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: the one track mind thing, I'm I'm proven wrong.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: So I keep your mind closed.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: But I just don't with Bailey Zappy. I just I
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: see a lot of the playground stuff, a lot of
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: the ability to move around the pocket off platform, and
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: like to add that kind of element to an offense
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: that needs it right now. But moving forward, you can't.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: B at the line. I mean again, we're back, We're
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: down to Vederian low. Because you know Trent Brown, Yeah,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: it was that in and out of the game again.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 22: You know.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: That's not I mean to change the subject, but can
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: I see a question about Mac?
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 7: And you guys tell me if I'm being stupid, But like,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 7: is it weird to you guys that like when Bailey
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 7: Zappy runs out at the beginning of the game, it's
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 7: him and the new guy when he's on the sideline
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 7: reviewing paper, you know, reviewing plays. Mac is nowhere to
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 7: be found. I know Bill O'Brien was asked about it today.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: You see some sideline shots in MAC.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: I just is that weird to you? Like, I don't know.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 7: I just I just think, you know, and I think
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 7: it Drew Bledsoe and the way that he handled being
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 7: a backup and the support that he gave, And I
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 7: just I don't see any of those things out of Mac.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: It strikes me a little bit strange.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 6: I may I don't know what to make of it.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 6: I don't know what it means. Like Fred always says,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: what do you think that means? I have no idea.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: Well, Brian said, handling it really well.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: I've noticed it. I've noticed it every week when we're
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: on road games and we get our shots in here.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 6: Zaby comes out and you know, one week it's cunning him,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 6: one week it's a little great. Now it's like Nathan
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 6: Rourke because evidently we don't care who the backup is,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: but we don't ever see Mac Jones. No, Mac was
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: making like one hitd he catches in the pre Yeah
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: this week with somebody around, Yeah.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: He doesn't. He hasn't been coming out for T shirt
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: warm ups either. I think he did one.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 6: I don't know what it means, if it means anything,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: but I have noticed.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: I think in Pittsburgh he was out there, but he
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: wasn't out there this past week. And I did notice
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: that because it's you know they do they run rests
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: against air obviously in T shirt warm ups, and it's
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: Zappi in Rourke, you know, throwing passes instead of Zappi
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: and Mac.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: And that's interesting.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: In Rock's the emergency courter, he's not even not even
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: the backup.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And you just wonder if there's things for Mac that,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: you know, like you could be involved in this process
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: when they're reviewing the plays on the sideline, like it
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 7: just it seems like he's withdrawn right now.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 6: As as a point of comparison, I was watching I
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 6: watched a good chunk of the Chiefs and Raiders, and
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: late in the game, the Chiefs are trying to get
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: a first down, and they had a guy who broke
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 6: like three tackles near the Raiders sideline, and there was
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: a guy going crazy, and you know, you just sort
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 6: of you like you're watching the place and you're not
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: really seeing exactly who was. And then they showed the
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 6: replay it was Garoppolo. Yeah, he was going out of
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: his mind, like for the guy who just broke three
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 6: tackles and set up like a second and three when
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: they're you know, they need a first down to sort
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 6: of grind the game out. You know, Garoppolo's probably his
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 6: career is probably close to being over at this point
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: as a starter. Was that like an unnecessary shot, But
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: I mean maybe as a starter, he's probably he's probably
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 6: gonna be hard pressed to be a starter again.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 7: And just when he was going crazy and all these
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 7: things that you know, when Mac was the starter, talking
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 7: about you know, just getting the win is what matters,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: and you know, kind of just preaching to us that
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: the team stuff, which you want to believe, but like
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: at the same time. It's I mean I was kind
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 7: of looking on the sideline when when Ryland made the
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 7: kick at the end, just to kind of see Max.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: Couldn't really get a good glimpse of him. But it
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: wasn't you know, it wasn't Garoppolo, it wasn't.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 7: I just it makes me wonder about Max's long term
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 7: future with the team because I feel like if he
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 7: was invested and he's completely gone, yeah.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 6: No, well, I mean he's obviously under but he's got
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 6: to go right.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is making me.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 7: I guess I just kept Yeah, I'm like, I mean,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 7: even Bill O'Brien today's like I still believe in Mac,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 7: Like will you believe in what for him to be
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: a backup in another team?
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: But if you were the Patriots, Fred, wouldn't you like
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 6: honor that wish? Yes, wouldn't you want to want to?
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: I think both size need to fresh start, clean it out.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: I would be much more. I would have a much
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: easier time going the William route William and Florida saying
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 6: Bailey Zappy deserves a chance to compete for the starting
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 6: job than I would be. Well, Mac Jones should be
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 6: on this team next, right, Like.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: If it's Bailey Zappi and Drake May and Bailey Zappy
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: gets a chance to maybe start the season so that
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: they can break Drake May and then fine. I just
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: I think for people that are like, well why not Zappy,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: I just I would be careful of like getting fooled
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: into thinking that it's more than it actually is. And
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: I put him in the same category as like a
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: Tommy DeVito or a Taylor Heinike, or a Sam Howell
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: or one of these quarterbacks that.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 6: If you fool your perfect, perfect comps, if you fool.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: Yourself into thinking that that's the guy, then you're just
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: put kicking the can down the road of the inevitable.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: And that's how I feel about Bailey, And I.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: Would even argue, you know, and I think they're all
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 6: good comps. But even with Howell, I think there's a
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 6: lot more athleticism here, Yeah, a little bit than there
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 6: is with zapp.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's he going? Where?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: We're packing Monday? Everybody's got shoots except me. I mean,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: you can assign yourself to.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: Spi and Fresno today. Hot Mike became Mike the casual
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: fan do so he sits the top our Rushmore next
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: to Evan Pinpool Bazaar. Bill gave us a big lump
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: of cold with that win. Wolf. Anyway, what range of
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: first round picks do the Patriots end up with if
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: they just beat the Jets or if they win both
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: remaining games.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: If they win both, they could fall out of the
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: top ten, I would think, But it's difficult to say Jets,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: as you know, you're probably looking at five or six.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's difficult to say because of how strength the
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: schedule works. You know, it's all seventeen teams you play,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: or obviously don't play seventeen, but you know what I mean,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: seventeen games that you play. It changes, it's their record
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: every single week. It's so it's there's like a million permutations.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: So trying to guess like where they would be if
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: this happened is impossible.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 6: But I think that there's a lot of five win
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: teams right now.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say as long as for me, as
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: long as they're picking in the top six picks, I
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: feel fine, they're gonna get a great player at the
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: top of the draft.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 6: Because I think you got like the Giants, Tennessee, the Chargers,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: there's a handful of teams that have five, they're five
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 6: and ten right now.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan in the world,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: says Bill's restaurant should be called on to next week.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: That's what they say when it's dessert.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: Time instead of the entree.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Next week, we're onto dessert. Yeah.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: It's the Giants, the Chargers, and the Titans are five
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: and ten. The Bears, the Jets are six and nine. Yeah,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: six and nine.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 6: So if you if you win the Jets game and
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: you go five, you know, five and twelve, you're you're
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: risk those three teams could go five twelve and then
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 6: you'd be at the mercy of the strength of schedule. Yeah,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 6: for all three of them.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: So you're really I think the lowest that you could
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: possibly go realistically is probably like seven or eight. You know,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: I don't because the Bears have six wins and so
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: do the Jets, and they're eight and nine right now,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: so you're you're only going to be tied with them
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: at best case scenario about Arizona, Arizona is at three
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: and twelve. They're at two two, Yeah, So I think
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: the lowest that you can probably realistically assume is that
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: they'll they'll be as low as eight, which, again I
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: still think you're You're okay.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: Doug in Connecticut. I can't tell if people honestly see
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Zappi and Mac's equivalent or if they're just so dug
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: in on their opinion of Mac that they just can't adjust.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: Zappi has more velocity in his throws, has quicker feet
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: in the pocket, can throw on the run better than Mac,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: and has better downfield accuracy. I'm not saying Zappi is
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: QB one going forward, but saying that they're the same
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: guy as ludicrous.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: No, we're not saying that they're the same guy. We're
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: saying the production has been marginally the same.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: Correct. And I also think that not all the things
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 6: he just said are true. There's no way you can
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 6: tell me that Zappi throws the ball with more velocity.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 6: Neither one of them throw the ball with any velocity.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: I will say, though, that some of the players that
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: catch passes from these quarterbacks say that that Zappy throws
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: out a little bit more z it.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 6: I have something on off air about that. Yeah.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: But but but honestly, though, again, a guy from Western Kentucky, right,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: this is what his sixth game as a starter in
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Yes, okay, can he get better, like you know.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, can he get better in terms of the way
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 6: he reads defenses and whatnot, Yes, of course. Can his
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 6: skills get.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Better, but like you know, missing those short passes, yeah,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: that could probably get better.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 6: At the least of my concern, I just don't see
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: an athlete. He's five foot nothing in doesn't run well.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: I just want to be I just want to be
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: fair about my evaluation.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: Guy, I'm standing right here, sitting right I know.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say that the jury's out on him.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: Like again, it's a guy from a lower level school
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: who had high high production, who's now in his six
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: game as a starter in the NFL, and we're expecting
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: him to be better than the guy who came from
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Alabama won a national title D one And like the
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: fact that he's even in the same conversation says something.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 6: I think it says something about mac Jones.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: Maybe, but I think it's a fair point.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: I think he might get better.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: It's a fair point. I just think that watching him play,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: it's kind of what Due said, and not a lot
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: of the big players that they're making are not necessarily
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: within the confines of the offense, or it's like a
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: jump ball to Devontae Parker, and those types of things
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: just tend to not be sustainable unless you're Patrick Mahomes
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: or Josh Allen and that's just how you play.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: And maybe he is like that.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: I just think that he got to, Like, you.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: Know, Josh Allen, you got to have an amazing arm
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: to be able to live one off platform, you throw
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: a ball late across the field and DeVante Parker jumps
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: and catches it.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 6: The next week, you roll out off platform toward the sideline,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: you throw a ball and you throw it right to
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 6: William Gay. Like that's what happens when you play like that.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: Like Mahomes did yesterday.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 6: No, like Zappi and that game. The game that Mahomes
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 6: played yesterday was unequivocally the worst game I've ever seen
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 6: him play. He was out.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: I think he's given up on his team.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: I think he's I think there's some of that. I
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 6: think he is really really that's side frustrated.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Kelsey's getting into it now.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 6: I think I loved what Andy Reid did, by the way,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 6: on that play.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he took him out.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like he came. Did you see that they had
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 6: a third down that was failed? Kelsey comes over and
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 6: they're obviously pissed they're doing nothing offensively. He fires his
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: helmet from the sideline into the bench. Well, they had
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 6: a fake punt called that worked. Yeah, And Andy Reid
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 6: was pissed at Kelsey said no, no, no, that the
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 6: guy was trying to give him his helmet back. Yeah, no, no, no, no,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 6: stay over here. I was like, I think that's perfect. Yeah,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: no's that's perfect.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 15: Now.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 6: I mean it lasted a play. You know, we didn't
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 6: we didn't go we didn't go ridiculous and say like,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 6: oh no, you've got to set out a whole quarter
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 6: or whatever.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 16: It was.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 6: It was just one play. But you know, you can
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 6: feel the frustration with those guys, and you can you
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 6: can see it watching it was it was a pathetically
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 6: bad offensive performance yesterday.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: It actually it hurts us nerds because efficiently wise, the
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: efficiency wise, they're actually still like a top ten offense
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: in DVA and EPA all that stuff. But you just
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: watch it and you can just tell that they're not
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: a very good offense, right, You.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 6: Could tell, like to Fred's point, like he just doesn't
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 6: trust it like every time Mahomes was dropping back, he's
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: like moving around, like he just looked uncomfortable because first
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 6: thing wasn't there He's moving.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a tough situation over there. Chad and
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Atlanta just wanted to apologize to Deuce about having to
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: hear us tankers wine all week about falling back in
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: the draft. It's not enough that we haven't had anything
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: to be excited about watching this mediocre team play week
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: after week. But when we finally had something to be
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: excited for, like a shiny new toy in the form
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: of Caleb Williams of Drake May, it seemingly gets ripped
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: from us for no reason. I'm glad Mike is able
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: to roll over and take it, but some of us
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: aren't able to do that. I'd love to hear his
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: plan for the quarterback position, since he wants all of
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: us to be quiet about it.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: I understand what he's saying. I missed, huh now, yeah,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: but I understand what the emailer is saying about, Like
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: that was your rooting interest this season? You didn't have
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: a rooting interest in the team on the field, so
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: your rooting interest was for the draft pick and I
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: totally can understand that. I would just say that, don't
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: just like me with Bailey z Appy, don't be so
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: narrow minded that there's only two quarterbacks in this draft.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: You know that, I think that there are other guys
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: that could get you could get excited about, Like I'm
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: not going all the way far as like JJ McCarthy,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: but you know, bo Nix, I think is a guy
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: at the top of the second round that's intriguing. Tools
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: if quinn Ewers from Texas comes out, he's gonna be
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: playing in the playoff on New Year's Day or whenever
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: the freaking playoff is. He's a really talented quarterback that
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: could maybe go late first early second round if he
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: comes out. So there's other guys in this class. Panis
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: and Daniels are the two big ones. But it's not
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: just it's it doesn't stop at the second overall pick, Like,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: there's other guys in this class that you can get
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: excited about.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 6: And again, I think it just gets down to your
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 6: level of frustration over the wind is what you think
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 6: of Williams and may Right. I think those that think
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 6: the world of those guys are really disappointed. Others have said, well,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: Williams have made it good. But there are other good
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: guys too, and I'll be okay if they get any
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 6: of them.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the key, Paul. If I really like
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: either one of those guys, I can understand why you're disappointed.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 6: Right, And I think that's what we mostly heard from. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 6: postgame Ben's and Maryland.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 13: Ben?
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 10: Hey, y'all.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 22: I hope you at a good Christmas and good holiday.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 22: I haven't caught him since one but memory in my
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 22: photos today and two years ago today, I was in
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 22: the hospital. I had some major head surgery and I
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 22: was in there for over a week, and all I
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 22: listened to was you guys. I think I ended the
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 22: week with like eighteen nineteen hours. I actually wouldn't let
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 22: them do surgery unless the doctors are playing.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: You guys like yet out.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 10: Yeah, wow, you guys want to blasted?
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 6: I think, what does the doctors think?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 10: Well, actually, I mean.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 22: I grew up in Boston.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 10: Who did my surgery?
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 23: So he was in a Yeah, I like Patriots.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 13: Had caps too. It was awesome.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 21: It's some thing anyway.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 22: I told myself one day, like I'm going to be
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 22: what you guys are, and you really inspired me to
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 22: make a website and all this stuff. So anyway, yesterday
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 22: I got my well.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: What's your website? Give you you plug your U r L?
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: What's what's your website?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 23: Name the Patriots Beat?
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm on Twitter too.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 22: And actually yesterday I took a bunch of Patriots to
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 22: porters and compare them to like Christmas characters.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 10: And he got a lot of love.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, check it out. I had you guys in all right,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: Oh nice?
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 6: Hopefully were I hope you were kind Ben?
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 23: That's great, Ben, Yeah, so definitely check that out.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 22: But anyway, I just wanted to say thanks, and you
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 22: guys really inspired me, so I appreciate it.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: All right, Thanks, Thanks, Ben, appreciate the call.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 6: Thanks, that's a great what a great call.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: Just for the I haven at called to twenty one.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, where are your Ben? He's like, oh, I've
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: been having head.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: Surgeres right, just for the record, he calls him to
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: catch twenty two all the time. Okay, good, So he
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: is around and a good listener. Yeah, I appreciate it, Ben.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: I think I follow Ben on Twitter.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, I know who that is. Hatred's beat. I've seen it.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: I know who is my timeline?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, good stuff.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 6: He could be the next Duce. You never know. Evidently
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 6: Deuce was on the verge of resignation today or what
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 6: did I miss?
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: Last week I missed the show when he can't compile
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 6: the statistics of a of a Picks contest, And this
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 6: week I go off for five minutes to tape a
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 6: segment and evidently all help broke loose again. Yeah, I
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 6: don't know what's got tomorrow.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna you know, you know, Deuce like he wants
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: to be he wants to be positive about the team,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: and you come in and they won a game finally,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: and then everybody's telling you you're supposed to be mad
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: that they won the game, And that's like telling Deuce
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: that Santa Claus isn't really.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Hudson's in California. Hey, Hudson, I was.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 14: Going good, good good.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 21: I'm sorry. I'm calling in for the first time because
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 21: I just I couldn't stand what you guys were talking
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 21: about all day.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, this Dappy and k.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 21: Mack stuff, which is beyond irritating.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's irritating about it to you?
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 21: I mean you're acting like Billy Bailey, Jaffi fucking Doug Flutie.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: Oh now what you had to swear and ruin it?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have let him go.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do that encourages others.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: Also like Doug Fluteie. Is that a compliment like that.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 6: A guy who thinks like me, there's this Canadian football legend,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 6: Doug Flutie.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: I think he was saying that Doug flute is good. Yeah.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 6: Did he watch Doug Flutie in the NFL again?
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: He won some games at Buffalo, So I want that
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: playoff game he should start.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 6: I will just say this, you know, in terms of
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: what Hudson was talking about, it kind of lends to
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 6: what my point is, like, if you even dared to
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 6: suggest that these guys were comparable, it evidently rubbed a
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 6: lot of people the wrong way, including Hudson.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna hop in and say one thing about
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: all this, because.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: How do you know what we've been talking about, because
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: dud you're still talking about absolutely not now.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: I just felt like.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: Maybe you guys have been over this, but I just
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 7: felt like part of it was like it just from
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 7: what we watched, not even performance, just based on reps.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 7: It seemed like there was no competition, and so when
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 7: I was answering that question, that's where it was.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 6: But there was no I'm not arguing there was a competition.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 6: I'm arguing if you said that Dailey Zappi and Mac
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 6: Jones are similar in talent, you got mocked and you did.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 6: And I don't really think there's that much of a
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 6: difference the two skill sets. Now, I think Mac is
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: a little bigger. I think he throws a better ball,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 6: but Zappi certainly moves better in his better pocket presence
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 6: and has an ability to make off platform plays.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that they're significantly different quarterbacks. And I
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: think that's the biggest thing that now we've gotten to
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: watch Bailey Zappi a little bit more that I've come
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: away with And for this offense this year, they need
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: somebody that can move around a little bit because their
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: offensive line is terrible right last in the league in
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: pass blocking win rate. They're the worst pass blocking offensive
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: line in the NFL. And if you have a quarterback
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: that's just gonna stand on one spot and not be
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: able to move around, and then also add into the
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: fact that he got rattled by pressure because of how
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: much he faced pressure. Then all of a sudden, you
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: have a guy that can't play in this offense.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 6: I'm going to play a little into your wheelhouse right here.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 6: If San Francisco were to lose brock Purty, they would
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 6: much rather have Mac Jones replacing him than Bailey's X.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: Why is that pop?
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: Because there's everything is perfect around to fight the fact
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 6: that they have a horrifically bad offensive line save for
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: the left tackle.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: How about that game last night? That was a quote
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: quote from Troy A, that's your MVP. Four picks in
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: the biggest game of the year. That's your MVP.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 6: He continues to be Andy Hart. Please, I've never suggested
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 6: this is your champion. I've never suggested that brock Party
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 6: should be MV.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that to you. I'm saying that to
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: everybody that simply song about brock Party. He plays, his
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: plays one good defense, he throws four interceptions, and he
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: looks like an all right, there you go.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 6: I thought he I thought he played an awful game
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: last night. I can't. I was I was laughing. I
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: was like laughing at myself. It was so bad. Like
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 6: even some of the completions.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: I was like, yes, he'll bounce back like he always does.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: Franklin and Baltimore writes, and quick question, since when did
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: the Patriots drafting problem become they don't pick high enough
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: and not their talent evaluation stinks. I don't get the
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: ire over potentially losing.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 6: Its been they don't pick high enough for twenty years.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: I don't get the I are over potentially losing a
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: top five pick because it's not like better talent wasn't
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: available when they pick late. From Sony Michelle, Harry Thornton,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: Worrow Wasser, Yes, a high draft pick does help, but
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: if your talent evaluation is shite, he says, you're still
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: not getting impact players point blank. Get rid of dollartry
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: mindset when it comes to talent evaluation, especially offensively, and
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: the rest will follow suit. That goes for drafting and
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: free agent signings.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: I agree with the premise, but it's different. It's different
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 6: at the top.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 7: Of the draft, and I don't see that the Dollar
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 7: Store is spending to doing well in the draft. I mean,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 7: that's how you are enable yourself to have that spending.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: If that is your philosophy.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 7: Those are the contracts that you control, So I agree
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 7: with the premise, and I think generally they just they
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 7: need to hit on these draft picks. And like, you know,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 7: we can argue about who and where and what, but
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 7: bottom line is that I would rather have a left
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 7: tackle than a miss on a quarterback, you know, And
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 7: that's what I think they need right now.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 6: Which would you rather have a quarterback who isn't a
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 6: home run but he's average or miss on the left tackle?
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you get at. And I probably
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: would still.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 6: Because the quarterback. I don't want to miss on anything.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I mean I still would lean towards the
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 7: quarterback just because of how hard it is to get
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 7: the quarterback.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: Like a lot of people would argue, and I don't
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 6: think this is as true anymore as it used to
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 6: be before the CBA changed in twenty eleven. But missing
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 6: on a quarterback hurts more than missing on anything else.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 6: I don't think that's true anymore.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: And I think you're like, if you take a guy at.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 6: Four and he turns out to be Robert Gallery, I
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 6: don't feel any better about it if it was Josh Rosen.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, and that but I think that gets back
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: to it likea' the same that you.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 6: Were banking on that guy being a really good player
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 6: and he busted and that stinks to me.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 7: It gets back to what I said earlier, just like
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: when you're in these picks, it's almost like you're obligated
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 7: to take a quarterback. So I don't think anyone you know,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 7: would fault them for missing on Drake May at second
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 7: or third overall, I don't, you know, like it's like, look,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: that was the guy. But again, like who knows how
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 7: this is all going to flush out when we to April,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 7: because everyone's draft board says exactly the same thing for
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 7: the top three right now, and that's going to change.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 7: Like if there's gonna be a bunch of jockey, there's
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 7: gonna be a quarterback that all of a sudden, everybody's like.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 6: Well, I don't know one of these guys, like what
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 6: will watch film like a Chris Simms or someone you know.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you why this is.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 6: Someone will have Jayden Daniels is better than Caleb Williams
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 6: Andre or Michael Pennix. Someone will have one of the
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 6: other quarterbacks is actually better.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: And I will say, in this second, I think to
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: Paul's point, that I don't think that the difference between
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: May and Daniels is as big as some other people do.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: And I think that that's that's a big part of
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: why I feel the way that I feel now. With Daniels,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: you have to build the offense around him, like and
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, you have to deal with every quarterback, but
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: the advantage of his right I worry.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 6: A little bit about about his size, Like not his height,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 6: obviously he's tall, but his stature.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's thin, Yeah, Marty and Reno. Honestly, I thought
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: I was listening to Jets postgame show Sunday night with
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: the number of callers upset that the Patriots won. Glad
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: the tone is more reasonable today. Also, looking at the
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: teams at the top.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 6: Right now, we're giving you that that was callers.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: Very very few had a top three or four draft
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: pick that put them up put them there. Yes, San
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: Francisco did draft future Dallas Cowboys backup quarterback at three,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: but championship teams are built with deep drafts or one
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: time free agent spend like La also agree, Zappi was
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: a fourth string quarterback at best at the start of
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: the season, but the kid is resilient coming back after
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: fumbling the first nap. Seems to be something about his character.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: And he's got Tom Brady eyes who looks confident. Under said,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: won the championship last year?
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 6: Who won the super Bowl last season?
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: I think it was the shifts to who the Kansas
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: City cheffs correct?
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 6: But you know, refresh my memory. Where was their quarterbacks selected?
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 6: Like tenth first first round? The first round?
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: High picked?
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: We Okay, I also just like hate the like the
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: last time I number one pick one a super Bowl
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: is oh no.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, god, no, no, that's not it. Argument,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 6: that's not it. You have to qualify it because Matthew
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 6: Stafford just did it like two years, right, but it
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 6: has to be with his original team. Like, it's about talent, people,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 6: you're missing the point. If you can't develop, if you
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 6: can't develop the talent, you have a problem, regardless of
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 6: whether or not the guy can play. Like, there's your
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 6: problem is you can't develop the talent. Detroit failed Matthew staff.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: Right, there's what fifty four super Bowls? Right, we're on
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: fifty five?
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 6: Now eight, I think that's like fifty eight?
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: Are we really?
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 4: God? But so Brad Brady's won seven of them. Right,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: and and so like Manning one two right. So when
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: you really start to stack it together, there's like forty
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks or something like that in the history of the
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: NFL that have won a Super Bowl. But the only
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: thing that matters is if the first overall pick one is.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl like it just but what I'm saying, like,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 6: you have to qualify it, yeah, because because it doesn't
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 6: fit your narrative. And I'm not suggesting that every number
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 6: one overall, like it doesn't have to be a number
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 6: one overall pick, but they're all first round picks. There's
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 6: like twenty I think twenty one out of the thirty
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 6: two teams right now have a starting quarterback in the
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 6: that was drafted in the first round. Like and I'm
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 6: talking about number again. I think it's twenty one or
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 6: twenty two out of the thirty two.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean look at all all the good quarterbacks
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: right now, and all of them, but most of them
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: were high. I mean, Purdy is a good one.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 6: No, no, only kidding, but that's but like is Russell Wilson,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 6: Dak Prescott, brock Purty, like they were definitely outliers. And
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts was a second rounder yeah, but I think that.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 4: That's like what you're looking at if you're the Patriots,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: is like if you're not going to get the quarterback
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: at the top of the draft because you felt too far,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 4: Like who's the Jalen Hurts of this draft? Who is
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: the Dak Prescott of this draft? Not the brock party,
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: Like you're not talking about drafting the guy with mister irrelevant,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 4: but like, who's the guy in on Day two of
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: this draft, top of this second round player trace?
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: But now they think he's going to be in the first.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: Round, right, Yeah, it depends on his medicals, Like that's
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 4: gonna be the big thing for him.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 6: And there's fourteen playoff teams right now, you know as
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 6: of today, and ten of those have a first round picks.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: Oh that's let's let's get out in front of this.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: Though it's gonna be at the combine they're gonna say
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: Penix not looking good.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 6: A couple more calls, you guys are gonna start spreading.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: No, but that's what I'm sure will come out.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: He does have badnee.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 6: No, I know, but I thought you wanted to maybe
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 6: see if you could squeez him to.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: The But when the medicals come out, but that's I
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: mean that.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know if he's pretty good at
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 6: the Patriots, he's good in the third round.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 4: I've talked to five teams. He's off there.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: The knees are just amazing. We can build a good
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: offensive bone on bone.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 6: You could be like that guy in Green Bay if
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 6: you met with.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: The Packers, Benson Pittsfield on the line, what's up? Then good?
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 14: I would just calling.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 24: I have an interesting topic. I think about a lot,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 24: Like in terms of the draft, I'm, you know, indifferent
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 24: as to whether not we take a quarterback, like obviously
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 24: if it works out, it does, Like I kinda just
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 24: want good players.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 6: Like at the end of the day, yeah, I would
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 6: agree with.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 24: The people who are like super insistent on taking a quarterback,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 24: which I totally understand. I feel like when it comes
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 24: to the off season, like I can't imagine like sticking
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 24: a rookie into what we have now. And like, if
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 24: we were to draft a quarterback, let's say, you know,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 24: one of the top three guys, what are like the
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 24: off season movies you want to see, like signing you
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 24: know whatever, freezing receiver, and like who would you want
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 24: to bring in because obviously like something like that needs
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 24: to change.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: Along with the quarterback, I'd like to bring in a
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: bunch of good players.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 4: T Higgins.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would feel the same way about that as
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 6: I do about the draft. I mean, as long as
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 6: you're getting signing good players, they're going to help your team.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: I think the hardest part though, is going to it
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: would be the offensive line.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 6: There's not a lot of hard to build an offensive line,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 6: and free agent you can get one guy, yeah, you know,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 6: like like what the Chiefs did with Joe Tooney, like
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 6: that sort of solidified the line, but usually.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a guard, right, Like, I think
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: we're going to be looking for an on line coach.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 4: Too, right, I don't know, Well, he hasn't been that way.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: I just I I was in favor of them, maybe
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 4: Rent making a run at Mike McGlinchey, but Mike McGlinchey
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: has been awful for the Broncos, and the Broncos owe
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 4: him a lot of money. So you end up paying
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: like tackles like Mike mcglinchy top of the market money
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 4: to really be like a low level to average starter,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 4: which is just what you can't do that.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: Arthur's in New York will wrap it up with you.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 23: Hey, has it down, guys. I called him last week
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 23: about Jayden Daniels kind of went on a little rant there,
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 23: looking like that's a little less likely now that we
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 23: took a loss. But my call has nothing to do
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 23: with that. I wanted to talk about Mike on Leno.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 23: I think I'm kind of tired of seeing guys that
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 23: are really good for us just not get resigned, and
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 23: instead of give money to guys that performed elsewhere like
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 23: Agalar and just overpay those guys, we need to pay
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 23: our own guys. I mean, the last guards flash often
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 23: the big offensive lineman that left him free agency all
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 23: won Super Bowl. Shaq Mason won a Super Bowl in
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 23: Tampa Bay, Joe Tooney won a Super Bowl in Kansas City,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 23: and even a guy like Ted Carris, who was kind
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 23: of a you know, depth piece for us, really elevated
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 23: the offensive line.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 6: They're absolutely right with all three of those guys.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you had to choose between on when
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: you or Dougar, you can only resign one.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 12: Who do you do all day?
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 23: I mean that's not even a question, because, first of all,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 23: I think Douger's performance this season has dipped as it
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 23: has gone on. I think the first eight games of
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 23: the season he was playing out of much higher level.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 14: Two on one was a little bit younger.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 23: And three, just if you're going to draft a quarterback
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 23: early in the draft, you gotta protect him. So on one,
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 23: who can be an elite.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 6: Guard or even I would have to say, when you
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 6: to the answer to that only because the offensive line
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 6: is such shambles and they have some depth that safety.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: And he's not a tackle though I know that's an
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: unpopular opinion.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: But he can play it in a pinch and there's
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: value to that. Absolutely.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 16: What was the Y?
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it's a topic for tomorrow, but.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks for the call, Arthur, and thanks everyone
• 2:03:02
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