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Wired To Hunt Podcast #97: It’s A Surprise · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number Today
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  Speaker 1: is going to be very different. As many of you remember,
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  Speaker 1: last year, my coast and I had a trail camera
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  Speaker 1: bet which I ended up losing him. So as his reward,
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  Speaker 1: my co host, Mr. Dan Johnson has won the right
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  Speaker 1: to host one episode of this podcast, and that podcast
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  Speaker 1: starts right now. All right, hello everybody, this this is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a strange episode because, as Mark said, I
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  Speaker 1: am your host. Now. I told Mark before this podcast
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  Speaker 1: started that I had all these plans laid out and
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  Speaker 1: every all these talking points and we're gonna have this
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  Speaker 1: awesome podcast. But I totally lied to him because all
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  Speaker 1: my notes are on are on a post it note
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  Speaker 1: that's like perfect, three inches by three inches. So it'll
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  Speaker 1: at least give us something to get the ball rolling with. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what about our guests, what about our big special guests
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  Speaker 1: You've been planning for so long? Rick Flair could not
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  Speaker 1: make it today. Oh no, yeah he was. He was busy, bummer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So I Honestly, I didn't even reach out to anybody.
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  Speaker 1: But here's what I'm thinking we're gonna do today. You know,
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of every episode, we have our BS
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  Speaker 1: portion of the show, right, b S session. So this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be an entire BS session. Perfect, So
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  Speaker 1: we have no direction, we have no we're we have
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  Speaker 1: a blank canvas in front of us and me and
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  Speaker 1: you are the artist today. What do you think about that?
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  Speaker 1: And with that, ten thousand people just turned off their podcast? Right,
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  Speaker 1: So this this is probably going to be the lowest
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  Speaker 1: rated podcast that you have. But at least it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: give us a break and we can we can relax,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Oh yeah, no, I like it. I like
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  Speaker 1: the idea. I gotta I can well prepared for this.
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  Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to me, I've got myself a cold beverage. So
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  Speaker 1: we're just gonna kick back and enjoy you enjoy some
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  Speaker 1: some bro time, right right, some bro time. You might
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  Speaker 1: need to go get another beer. You can drink one
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  Speaker 1: beer while while we're talking, and then the other beer
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  Speaker 1: you can chug while I'm dive bombing this episode into
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  Speaker 1: the crowd. Yeah, we should make a drinking game out
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  Speaker 1: of this. Every time you really really embarrass yourself, I'll
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  Speaker 1: take a big swig. Okay. And I also, well, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't really write it down. I'm just shooting from my
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  Speaker 1: head here. For those potential sponsors who are listening to
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  Speaker 1: this show that have yet to, um, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: sponsor this podcast, just skip to another one. That's what
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  Speaker 1: That's what it's really, that's what we're that's the one
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  Speaker 1: definitely don't want any prospective sponsors to hear this one
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  Speaker 1: to make to make a decision based off this one,
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  Speaker 1: all right, So you've been warned. Yep. So with that said,
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  Speaker 1: you're even using my lines, I know I have to write.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta ease into it so people aren't
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  Speaker 1: scared right away. Right, That's true. That's true. I like
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  Speaker 1: your I like your plan here. That's working, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So here's what I'm thinking we're gonna do. We're just
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  Speaker 1: gonna be asked. I'm gonna ask you some questions, You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna ask me some questions, and we're just kind of
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  Speaker 1: going to kind of let the flow take control. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Down with that, I'm done for sure, alright, so it
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  Speaker 1: is almost April, and for me, April is turkey hunting season. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so my first question is are you going to be
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  Speaker 1: turkey hunting with a gun or a bow this year?
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  Speaker 1: Very good question. I've been thinking about this a lot recently. UM,
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  Speaker 1: So I have always well, I can't remember how much
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  Speaker 1: I've told you about how I started turning, But when
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  Speaker 1: I first started turkey hunting, I didn't grow up in
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  Speaker 1: turkey hunting family or anything. Um. I just picked it up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, late in life myself. So I don't know
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  Speaker 1: eight nine years ago I first started going just with
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  Speaker 1: a friend and just watched for a year. Um. I
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  Speaker 1: think the next year I went out with a gun,
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  Speaker 1: but never even came closer to turkey. The third year,
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  Speaker 1: I decided I would try bow hunting, and I did
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  Speaker 1: have a couple good encounters, but either couldn't get a
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  Speaker 1: shot off or I missed. So I think year number four,
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  Speaker 1: I decided I should try just use a gun so
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  Speaker 1: I could finally kill one. So I did that switch
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  Speaker 1: to a gun, and then I started killing a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of turkeys. Over the last like five years or so,
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  Speaker 1: I've had a lot of success the shotguns so this year,
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  Speaker 1: I think I want up the challenge factor and switched
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  Speaker 1: to a bow, just because the last few years I've
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  Speaker 1: been killing turkeys opening morning, um in the different places
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  Speaker 1: I've haunted, and I kind of want to ramp it
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  Speaker 1: up a notch and extend my season and the challenge
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. So I think I think I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to switch to a bowl, but I'm still not a
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent sure because because I you know, it's not
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  Speaker 1: easy with the bowl, So I'm not sure. I I'm
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  Speaker 1: leaning towards the bow, though, what about you, I'm leaning
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  Speaker 1: towards the bow too. But here's the deal. In Iowa,
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  Speaker 1: you can use your bow for the entire length of
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  Speaker 1: the season. Right. If you use a gun, it's broken
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  Speaker 1: down into four different seasons, so I can use it
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  Speaker 1: from the beginning all the way through the fourth seat
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  Speaker 1: what they call the four seasons, right, but it's for archery.
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  Speaker 1: It's one in higher season. Um. So in the past,
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  Speaker 1: I've used guns a lot, and I have you know,
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  Speaker 1: had my fair share of success. Um. Last year, I
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  Speaker 1: got a bow tag, thinking I might go out um
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more, but my wife was thirty eight
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  Speaker 1: weeks pregnant and so and it kind of rained a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, so I didn't get out to hunt by
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  Speaker 1: myself as much as as i'd like. This year, I
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  Speaker 1: think we're gonna have my wife's not pregnant knock on
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  Speaker 1: wood and not that we know of yet exactly not
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  Speaker 1: that we know of, and um so I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna be able to take a little bit more vacation
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  Speaker 1: time and I'm gonna try to knock one down with
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  Speaker 1: a bow this year. I think it'd be a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun. That's really next thing. I alway, you get
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  Speaker 1: a longer season with the boat too. Right right now,
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  Speaker 1: is Michigan one of those states where you have to
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  Speaker 1: stop hunting at like noon? No, Turkey, Nope, we don't
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  Speaker 1: have any time restrictions. So we've got we've got the
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  Speaker 1: full day. And um there's there's a number of different
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  Speaker 1: time is that the season is broken up to, depending
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  Speaker 1: on what license you get, what region you're in, and
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  Speaker 1: all that. Um. But but I like to go for
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  Speaker 1: the early season, and so that means I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 1: kicking off April eighteenth is the opening day, I believe
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  Speaker 1: here in Michigan. So I'm gonna be hunting for the
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  Speaker 1: that first it's a two week season, I think for
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  Speaker 1: the tag I'll be getting, so I'll be like April
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  Speaker 1: eighteen through I don't know, like the end of April
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  Speaker 1: or something something like that. So the plan hopefully will
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  Speaker 1: be to um to kill one myself in the first
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  Speaker 1: couple of days, and then I have my buddy Josh
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  Speaker 1: and my dad coming down for the following weekend and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to guide them to a bird each
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  Speaker 1: as well. So that's what I got in the plans
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  Speaker 1: for Michigan, and then we'll be going to Ohio too.
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  Speaker 1: So are you you get a landowner's tag in Michigan? Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: So it's not a landowner's tax, as I don't own
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  Speaker 1: any property, but there's like a private land tag versus
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  Speaker 1: a public land tag. Um. So I've got a private
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  Speaker 1: land tax and I'm gonna be hunting on private land
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  Speaker 1: that I have by permission. Now turkeys. You know me,
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  Speaker 1: and you talk about a lot about going out west
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Have you ever considered trying to
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  Speaker 1: do a spring turkey hunt for it? Maybe a different
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  Speaker 1: category like a Merriam or a rio. Yeah, I have
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  Speaker 1: been thinking about that. I think for me, the doing
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  Speaker 1: one of the western turkey hunt sounds like fun. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's partly just because I you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I love being out west, um, so any excuse to
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  Speaker 1: hunt something else out there is really intriguing to me. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But it seems like that'd be that'd be a sweet
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  Speaker 1: time to be in the wood. To be in the
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  Speaker 1: woods and the mountains out there and hunting turkeys and
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  Speaker 1: the hills and stuff would be so different. Um, I
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  Speaker 1: think that'd be a lot of fun. So I have
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  Speaker 1: definitely been thinking about going to like Montana or Wyoming
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  Speaker 1: or something like that, where you've got these big, rolling,
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  Speaker 1: grassy hills and pines up on the ridges, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it seems way different but could be fun. But I
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  Speaker 1: just haven't, you know, with my schedule and everything, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't been quite pull it off. Um, But I've been
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  Speaker 1: thinking about it a lot. Um. I know, the much
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  Speaker 1: more or more easily attained would be like going down
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  Speaker 1: to I don't know, Florida and doing one of those hunts,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know, it just doesn't have quite the
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  Speaker 1: same people. I wouldn't be opposed to doing it, but
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  Speaker 1: if I'm gonna spend you know, so much money, to
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  Speaker 1: travel for ten eighteen hours away from home. I think
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather go west than wayte South. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: know you what about you? Yeah? Oh yeah, my goal
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of a crazy pipe dream, but I want
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  Speaker 1: to do. I want to get the Slam North American Slam.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, you really want to get them all? Huh?
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  Speaker 1: I want to get them all, and I want like,
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  Speaker 1: I think the Rio's and the Merriam's are the next
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  Speaker 1: easiest for the Eastern, and then the hardest one is
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  Speaker 1: the um the Osceola, and then I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I want to add the Mexican Google the Gould Gould
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  Speaker 1: Yep into the category or not, but it would be
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  Speaker 1: really fun. I've talked to a guy who's done it
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  Speaker 1: at the A T A Show a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, turkey hunting is not at
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  Speaker 1: all like deer hunting. For some reason. Big game puts
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  Speaker 1: a lot more pressure on people than a bird does.
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  Speaker 1: And you go out and you just have fun as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to you know, all this strategy and stuff that
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  Speaker 1: goes with these these giant animals. Yeah, man, I do
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  Speaker 1: love it. It's it's so much fun. But it is
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  Speaker 1: kind of the big game of bird hunting, you know,
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  Speaker 1: of all of all the kinds of bird hunting, it
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  Speaker 1: is the most like big game at least, And maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's why I enjoy it so much, because it is
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  Speaker 1: you know, you are hunting, you know, like a single animal,
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  Speaker 1: and there's calling and they're stalking or there's ambush. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely very different than like duck hunting or upland
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  Speaker 1: bird hunting, where you're just walking around trying to flush something.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's like, I love turkey hunting
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  Speaker 1: because of how engaging it is, you know, like the
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  Speaker 1: fact that you are interacting with that animal in the
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  Speaker 1: calling and everything, um. But then you also have the
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  Speaker 1: ability to you know, run and gun and and actually
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  Speaker 1: be up and moving between those two things. Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: just getting pumped, Like right now, I'm definitely getting pumped.
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  Speaker 1: I drove around the neighborhood last night just scouting fields
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  Speaker 1: to see where the turkeys were out. And this morning
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  Speaker 1: from my office, I could see across the road onto
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  Speaker 1: this neighbor's property and a bunch of gobblers are out
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  Speaker 1: across They're all strutted up and moving back and forth
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  Speaker 1: and so I just sat for like fifteen minutes and
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  Speaker 1: I've been ocular staring out the window, achieving nothing. But
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  Speaker 1: it was fun. Right, So I'm definitely definitely getting pumped.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I haven't heard my first gobble yet, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited for that. Yeah, I haven't. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: been out. I've seen definitely, I've seen several strutterers from
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  Speaker 1: the road, but I haven't had the opportunity to get
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  Speaker 1: out and do any listening. But um, it is definitely
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorite times of the year. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how you were raised or how you
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  Speaker 1: started turkey hunting, but my two uncles got me into
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  Speaker 1: turkey hunting and they are the with a gun. And
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  Speaker 1: it was running gun all the way. You call for
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, no response, You walk fifty sixty yards,
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  Speaker 1: set up and you just cover an entire section to
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  Speaker 1: timber and we did all on public land up in
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  Speaker 1: northern Iowa. And uh, um call a little bit, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you wait, maybe some will come in, maybe some won't,
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  Speaker 1: and uh and you just keep moving until you find him.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how I personally have been successful over the years.
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  Speaker 1: As far as a strategy is concerned, what about you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I literally, like I said, I went out for
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  Speaker 1: one year with a friend, um but but that that
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  Speaker 1: friend didn't really know what he was doing either. So
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  Speaker 1: after that I just basically taught myself, just read a
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  Speaker 1: lot of magazines and watched videos and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: So what I do a kind of combination of all
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  Speaker 1: the above, depending on the type of property. Um you know,
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  Speaker 1: typically I try to just you know, if I can
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  Speaker 1: roost them the night before, figure out at least where
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  Speaker 1: I either roost them the night before and figure out
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  Speaker 1: where the roosted that day or just from history oracle knowledge,
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  Speaker 1: here's where I think these terrkeys are gonna be roosted,
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  Speaker 1: and then sneak in as close as I can the
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  Speaker 1: next morning and then hopefully, you know, have a good
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  Speaker 1: set up and they'll come in. So what I've done
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  Speaker 1: both here in Michigan and Ohio is you know, get
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  Speaker 1: in there early in the morning as close as I
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  Speaker 1: can't get to the roost with a couple of decoy
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  Speaker 1: set up, and I'll usually hunt them at that decoy
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  Speaker 1: spread for the first couple of hours in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Um So, in both cases, both both of the two
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  Speaker 1: main properties that I hunt Um, I actually don't have
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  Speaker 1: really good roosting on those properties. They tend to roost
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  Speaker 1: on the neighbors. UM, so I am kind of waiting
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  Speaker 1: for them to slowly make their way to my property.
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  Speaker 1: So in both cases, it usually takes about an hour
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  Speaker 1: for them to kind of slowly work their way from
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  Speaker 1: wherever they're strutting first thing in the morning, and usually
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  Speaker 1: seems like that like an hour hour and a half
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  Speaker 1: later they kind of cycle through and kind of move
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  Speaker 1: towards my area. And then that's been when I've been
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  Speaker 1: able to catch them. But what I'll usually do is
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  Speaker 1: so that for that first like two hours, I'll wait
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  Speaker 1: there hope they'll come my way. But if nothing happens
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  Speaker 1: that first two hours, UM, then I like to get
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  Speaker 1: up and start moving around and try to run a
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  Speaker 1: gun and see if I can't get something talking. And
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  Speaker 1: then I'll usually do that till you know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: late late late morning, early afternoon, and then um then
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  Speaker 1: I'll call it and then come back on the evening
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  Speaker 1: and try to kind of do the same thing but
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  Speaker 1: the opposite. So that's what I've done on those two
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  Speaker 1: main properties, and I don't move around as much in
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  Speaker 1: those just simply because they're they're small properties, and I
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  Speaker 1: just if it's not happening here, it's not gonna happen
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  Speaker 1: in the other spot. I could go a hundred yards
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  Speaker 1: you know away. Um. But I have hunted some other
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  Speaker 1: farms that my buddies own or have permission on, where
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  Speaker 1: you can you know, walk for thousands of acres or
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of acres at least, and that's definitely fun way
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  Speaker 1: to to, you know, just move around and find different
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  Speaker 1: sets of birds. And one of my I can't remember
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  Speaker 1: if I told you the story last year, but me
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  Speaker 1: and a buddy UM went with Corey. Um. He's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: my buddy Corey. He had not gone out turkey hunting
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  Speaker 1: at all last year. So we were with him like
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  Speaker 1: one night where like, dude, you gotta get out, we'll
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  Speaker 1: take you out. Um. So he's basically came along with
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  Speaker 1: the gun and we were kind of the guides, um
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  Speaker 1: because he's not super into it. But um. We we
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  Speaker 1: set up one spot in the morning and there's there
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  Speaker 1: was just nothing going. So after like an hour there
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  Speaker 1: and nothing was talking, we decaid, okay, we're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: up and this this area my friend and his family
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  Speaker 1: own and have access to a whole bunch of property
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  Speaker 1: in this area. So literally we could just drive up
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  Speaker 1: and down the roads and everything you can see pretty
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  Speaker 1: much is acts is land that we could hunt. So
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  Speaker 1: we just drove the roads until we spotted turkeys way
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  Speaker 1: way way off in this field, and um, okay, spotted
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  Speaker 1: some birds, spotted some gobblers, and then put together a
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  Speaker 1: plan of okay, we think that they're gonna keep moving
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  Speaker 1: that direction. So we drove an half mile down the road,
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  Speaker 1: came around the corner park the true parked the truck
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  Speaker 1: around behind the hedgerow, and then like ran like three
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  Speaker 1: cores of a mile to try to get up in
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  Speaker 1: front of where we thought those gobblers were going to head.
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  Speaker 1: We cut him off, and finally, you know, we we
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  Speaker 1: thought we were within range or with you know, in
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  Speaker 1: the same area they'd be headed. We're back on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of hill though, so we way it finally
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  Speaker 1: heard one of them gobbles and them, okay, we've really
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  Speaker 1: located them. They're coming where we thought what we were,
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  Speaker 1: and so we made another move, got right up in
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  Speaker 1: front where we thought they'd go, did a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of yelping, and it just worked out perfect. They came
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  Speaker 1: right in and it was it was a super cool
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  Speaker 1: hunt because they had all that driving around, spotting, making
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  Speaker 1: a plan, running around trying to get in the right spot,
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  Speaker 1: and that was a super cool hunt. So I really
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  Speaker 1: do enjoy those hunts where you get to be really
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  Speaker 1: active and you know, trying to make a move on something. Yeah,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: all right, now for this portion of the show, it's
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: gonna be called my favorite thing about turkey hunting is.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go first, so you kind of
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: get an idea of what what to do here. Okay,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: all right. My favorite thing about turkey hunting is is
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: when you're sitting with your back to a tree and
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: you're you know, you hear some gobbles in front of you,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden those gobb will stop and
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: you think, man, okay, those times have gone away. And
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you hear boom boom, and
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: there's a strutter right behind you and it freaks you out.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Who I like that. That's my favorite thing about turkey hunting.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Now my turn, all right, my favorite thing about turkey
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: hunting is when you're sitting up against a tree and
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: you're hearing a gobbler for a while out there in
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: the distance, and then he stops and then you don't
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: hear anything for a while, and you think, oh man,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: they're gone. And then like fifteen minutes later, ten minutes later,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you here but like ten yards
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: behind you, just like it makes you jump out of
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: your skin, like, holy crap, he's right there. That is
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: my favorite thing. I love when one of those gobblers
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: is so close and it surprises you and just every
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: hair on your body just stands straight up and you
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: feel in your gut and youre's like, holy crap, it's
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. It's gonna happen. Oh that isn't adrenaline rush.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: That I just love. Yeah, that that's uh oh man,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I've had it. I've had times where my uncle, he's
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: the guy who taught me pretty much everything I know
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: about turkey hunting. So we go out and the sun's
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: just coming up. We pull into Um, We pull in
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and I shut my door really quiet, and he just
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: slams his car door as hard as he possibly could,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: and you get that that shot gobble and then there's
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: like four or five of them sound off and he's like,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: they're here. We just walk into the woods and kill him.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: That is that. That's probably my second favorite thing, or
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's my first favorite thing. Is like the
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: first thing when you get in the morning, like you
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: sneak into wherever you're gonna set up, and then that
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: first bird goes off, and then because that bird goes off,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the next one goes off, and then the next one
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and the next one, and you get this like cascading
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: effect of gobbles going up and down the ridge or
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: something like that. Every time it happens every morning, Like
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: when I'm with especially if I'm with a friend, you
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: just look at each other and just start laughing because
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: this is so awesome. Turkey hunting is fun. It really is.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: If you haven't done it, excuse me. If you haven't
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: done it, you really got try. Yep. To everyone, not you, damn,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: but to everybody else out there, Turkey hunting is fun. Alright,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: So are you ready for the next topic? Yeah? What
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: do we got next? Hey? Hey, hold on, before we do,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: how do my gobbl sound? Oh? It was horrible, dang it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I feel pretty good about I was. I was in
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Cabela's the other day and I was I don't know
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: about you but whenever I walked past the aisle with
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: all the turkey calls, I can't help but start yelping
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and making turkey noises with your own mouth, with my
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: own mouth. Yeah okay, And so then you're that guy.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I am still that guy. And my wife was pissed
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and he's like, you are so annoying. But when I
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: used to go to a lot of trade shows, we
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: would always joke around with other people who had booths
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: next to like the the guy who so sold coyote
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: calls or turkey calls or calls or any type of call,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: because for three straight days you would hear or you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: like some dumb Now that wasn't that bad, Mark? I
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I have credit on that. Thank you, sir.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pretty decent with just my own
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: vocal cords. Um, I wouldn't well, I wouldn't end their competition.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Let's just say, okay, so let's hear your let's hear
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: your no call elk bugle. Oh. I can't do that,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: damn it. I was hoping I could get you to
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: embarrass yourself. I don't even know how I would do that. Well,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I mean I could try, but I really, I really shouldn't.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, are you ready for the next topic.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I'm ready for the next topic. Okay, this is dream hunt.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Dream hunt. So you've already done an elk hunt, you've
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: been successful at an elk count. You've done a white
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: tail hunt, you've already been you've already been successful as
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: far as a white tail hunt in the Midwest and whatever.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: So you have the again, blank canvas. What is your
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: dream hunt? One species? Can't and I'm gonna put a stipulation,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: can't be white tail. Okay, one species, one hunt is there?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Um Okay, it is, without a doubt, an Alaskan hunt
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: going to Alaska, and I would I would love to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: tie together several different species, but since I can't, if
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I had to just choose one, I'd probably have to
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: say it would be oh Man, Alaskan moose. It would
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: be like a flying hunt, and like a flying hunt
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: into some deep, deep wilderness area where you get dropped
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: off with a raft maybe, and you you hunt out
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: in the back country for a moose, and then if
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: you get one, you pack them into the raft and
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: your raft out some river out to the nearest road
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: fifty miles away. Or something, and and all along the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: way you could do some fly fishing and and uh,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know that like the next it's between that
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and like a Brooks Range sheep hunt. I'd love to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: get up way up in the mountains and chase sheep. Um.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: But but I probably have to go with moose first,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and that'd be bow hunt. Bow hunt for moose deep
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: in the bush. Um do it yourself is what my
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: dream hunt would be. I'd say, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: have to I'm gonna have to agree with you on that. Yeah,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: we're on we're on the same page. We're kind of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: on the same page. I don't know what it is
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: about an animal that is three times your size. Yeah, yeah,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: not too bad. Mark, you need to come out with
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the Mark Kenyon call System. I'll put together a little
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: tape that you can download with just me making animal
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: reproductive noises. They're like calling noises. Okay, story from college.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this as fast as possible. I did
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: not know how this can be relevant to college, but
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: it can't be good. It's gonna be. It's awesome. I mean, okay,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: So my buddy had a house that sat in between
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: so it went frat house, frat house, my buddy's house,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: frat house. So these guys, right, So, um, we had
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: a lot. Let's just say we had a lot of
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: fun messing with these frat guys. All right. So one
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: day I'm helping some chick move into her apartment and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a box kind of breaks open and a whole bunch
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of cassette tapes fall out, right, So me and my
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: buddy are helping her pick these cassette tapes up, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I see one and it's rabbit distress call. Okay, you
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: know that kind of annoying. It all get out. So
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: they're just this party frat there, the frat they're having
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: their rush party or whatever. You know. Everybody comes in,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it's the new people whatever whatever frats do. Now, me
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and my buddy are like, hey, let's go over there.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Let's let's walk in and see. You know. We walk
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: in and we don't look anything like the collar pop
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: collar hair gel type. You know, I'm probably wearing if
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I had to guess my college days, I'm probably wearing
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a pair of cargo shorts with a bush Light T shirt.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Oh you popped your collar. There's no collars on bush
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Light T shirts. Okay, So this this frat house had
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: their stereo system inside of a closet, and in this
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: closet was had a window. So I had this rabbit
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: distress signal or call tape in my pocket. So I'm like,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that in their tape cassette and I'm
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: gonna play that. So I walk in there kind of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: nonchalantly closed the door behind me, lock it. I put
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the rabbit distress singing uh called cassette in the stereo
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: system and I crank it. I jump out the window,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and I walked back to the front of the house
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and it is just it is the most awesome thing
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen. All these people are looking around like
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? The party just everybody
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: starts leaving. The cops get called. Oh it was awesome.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: It was awesome. That's like one of my and we
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: just had a really good laugh after that. Oh man,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: well done, sir, well done. Keep so dream Hut. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: can't top that one. So okay, because you said moose,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I would love to do the same thing,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: float down like the Yukon River or something like that,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and arrow a moose. Now, I would also love to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: do some kind of since I haven't done it yet.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: High country mule your hunt, you know, but I want
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to wait until after they're out of velvet. For some reason,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: shooting a velvet animal does not interest me. Have we
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: talked about that before? I don't remember. I don't remember.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Do you find interest in a velvet hunt? Because I'm
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: kind of like you, like I'm not. I'm not opposed
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to it, like so if I was doing it, like
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing an early season hunt this year
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: in Montana for white tails. If a if a mature
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: buck comes in front of me and has velvet, I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: won't not shoot him because he's in velvet. But if
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: two bucks come by, one's in velvet, one's hard horned,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I would definitely choose the hard horn. I just don't
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: have that desire to shoot a velvet buck. I just
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I love hard horns, the feeling,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the look, the way they you know when you touch him,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: everything about him. I just prefer that. I don't know's
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know why, But you agree with that,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I kind of agree. Um, there are some hunting shows
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: out there that I've seen where it looks like the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: antlers of some of these bucks that they're shooting are
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: not even fully developed yet, Like the tips are still rounded,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: right right. I just don't get that. But you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to each his own, if you love to shoot velvet antlers,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: go do it. Yeah, nothing wrong with it, I guess
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you know. Just the one thing I would worry about
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: is I don't remember if you if you remember that
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: episode we have with Dan Weeks the Taxidermist, But there's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: like all sorts of stuff that goes into trying to
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: preserve that velvet. That seems like a big headache too.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: So just from that standpoint, I'm like, I don't want
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: to deal with more of a hassle than I have to. Um,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: So that's another thing to think about. But I don't know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I'll see this this season. I'll I'll probably it will
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: be my first potential chance to shoot a buck in velvet,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure that will be something I'll be thinking
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: about a lot more than I ever have. Got you
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: all right now, we we've talked about hunting, but do
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you have a dream fishing trip? Oh? Dream fishing? We
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: never we never talked about fishing on this ship. Never
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: do talk about fishing. I love a fish. You love
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the fish. I love the fish. Yeah, favorite North American
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: uh fish to catch? Wow? Um all right, it's changed
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: for me over the course of my life. Okay, for
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a long time, it used to be bass just love.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I was a huge I was hardcore bass fisherman. I
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: used to fish tournaments and everything. Wait a second, you
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: used to fish in fishing tournaments. Yeah. For some reason,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I cannot I cannot imagine that. Really, I can't picture that.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I thought this will be this kind of funny. When
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I was in high school. I wanted to be a
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: professional bass fisherman. I thought I was going to grow
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: up to be on the you know, the bass tournament
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and be one of those guys in the NASCAR shirts
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: on a boat and uh holds the fish as you know,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: almost like shed hunting, where they hold the fish as
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: close to the camera excusingly possible. I wanted to be
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Kevin van Dam, who is like the Michigan guy who's
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: like one of the best best tournament fisherman of all time.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: So that was my idol. That's what I wanted to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: be for for a period of years. Um. So I
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: still love bass fishing, but don't do it as much
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: as I used to. Um Now I've kind of transitioned that,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: you know, as you know, spending more time out west,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: so I've really caught the fly fishing bug. So trout
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: have been what I've been really into recently. But I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: also really love catching huge northern pike. I used to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: go up to Canada a lot and fish for a while.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I have pike up there, and there's something about tearing
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in a huge spinner bait or massive map spinner or
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: something and then just getting a just claver and buy
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: a thirty pike that just tears your arm off. I
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: mean that that's a lot of fun too. Um. So
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I would say my favorite species would have to be
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: one of those three. I'm having a hard time choosing one,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: okay for me? My my answer is real simple, hands
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: down right now. If I could go fishing for one
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: species today, I would pick smallmouth bass. Yeah. I love
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: small mouth bass. They fight like nothing else in North
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: America anyway, And I absolutely if I could go, if
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I could hunt one fish every day for the rest
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: of my life, would be small mouth. If you could
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: hunt one fish, that's what you just said, speaking of
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: hunting fish, though, one of My favorite things when it
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: comes to fishing is site fishing, so you know, fishing
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: in a place because it kind of feels like you're hunting.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So like when I used to be a big bass fisherman,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I used to love using soft plastics and flipping and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: pitching soft plastics to fish I could see in shallow
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: water um doing different things like that. Or now in
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: fly fishing, you know, you're you're kind of site fishing
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a rising trout. You're seeing where trout is consistently rising
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and then trying to make a move on it and
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: then drop your fly in the right place to to
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: entice that fish to take it. Um. So I really
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: do love fishing that kind of feels like hunting versus
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: just ran like casting a lure, and I enjoyed that too. Um,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you know, when you're just casting into something you can't
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: see and bring it up. But I do love that
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: element when there is like some type of visual aspect
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: of fishing. We're going after a single fish maybe that
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you're seeing or watching rise or you think there's a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: fish there, and you can be pretty strategic about trying
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to you know, place your lure in the right place.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I really get a kick out of that, all right, Now,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: last fishing question, Well we didn't we didn't talk about
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the dream trip yet. Oh yeah, that's that's what I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: was going to transition into. Sorry, So dream your dream
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: fishing trip? Can I give you two answers? Because I'm
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: having a hard time? Well no, no, go for it,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: all right, so I'll allow it, Okay, thank you, Mr Host.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: So my I would probably, I would probably again say
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: my dream fishing trip is Alaska. So again, hunting and
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: fishing trip would be Alaska, doing um, a fly fishing
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: trip for salmon. Well, I probably wouldn't use a fly
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: ride for salmon. I'm not that good, but I do salmon.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Excuse me, I've got some some belching going on over here.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Um salmon slash fishing for trout with my fly rod
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to some kind of just Alaskan trip. I don't I
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: don't know the specifics. I would just want to go
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to Alaska, go deep into the back country again and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: then just fish my way out and just do nothing
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: but eat fish and cast for fish and just spend
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of time out there fishing for all sorts
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: of crazy stuff out there. Um, just in general, I
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: want to spend a couple of weeks hunting and fishing
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: in Alaska on my own with a couple of buddies
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and just experience all it has to offer. That's my dream,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: really really really want to do that. Um. But my
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: second fishing trip would be to go fly fishing for
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: trout in Patagonia. Oh yeah. I am fascinated by Patagonia
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and I would love to get down there. They've got
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: incredible trout, beautiful beautiful rivers and mountains, and it just
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: looks like every everything I've read says Patagonia is like
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Montana for eighty years ago or a hundred years ago.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: So I would love to experience that. So that is
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: my number one trip and my number one a trip
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: like you can hunt red and stag down there too?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Are the red stag in Patagonia? I think so? Because
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Patagonia is in Argentina right, Uh yeah, it's on the board.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: It's kind of that region between Argentina and Chile. Okay,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: So I think so, I think interesting? Interesting? So what
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: about you? My dream fishing trip would be the Amazon
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: jungle top water fishing for peacock bass. Nice. That's that's
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a good one. Peacock gas peacock bass are awesome. They've
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I guess they've transferred somehow, some of them into some
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: lakes in Florida where the cold temperatures don't bother them,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: like the cooler if you can think Florida has cooler
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: temperatures where it's different than the Amazon. But I've seen
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: some of those those peacock bass and they're the size
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of salmon. I mean, they're big fish. Oh yeah, and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: they they're just nasty right there there. They're insane. Yeah, yeah,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that would be a trip. I UM. I went to
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the fly fishing film tour in Denver has past uh
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: January when we were on our last vacation out west,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and um, they had one of the films was Dorato
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: fishing somewhere down in the rainforest and one of those
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: countries down there. And Dorado is just kind of a
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: huge predatory predatory fish down there, kind of similar ish
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to um to peacock bass, at least visually, I thought,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I thought to myself, and they would just looked like
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: an insane, just insane fish. To to go after that
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: looks that does look like a lot of fun. I
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: just for me, the rainforest, like that region just doesn't
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: have quite the same appeal for me from like, uh,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, just wet and humid and huge rats
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: and huge spiders. The huge snakes would just be I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: think it'd be more stressful than than relaxing. From I
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: would rather deal with grizzly bears and wolves than spiders
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and snakes personally. That kind of that kind of transitions
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: me into the next question, and that is do you
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: have any interest in hunting Africa? Very interesting question. I've
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: been thinking about this, um and again I don't. I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: think I'm getting really old because I'm already forgetting like
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I never know who've already talked about things. I feel like,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: you know, back when I was a kid and my
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Grandpa would tell stories, and you tell the same story
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: like eight times, like over the course of two years.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like Grandpa in my head. I think I've heard
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the story over and over and now I'm worrying I'm
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: becoming that guy already. UM. But if we haven't talked
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: about this already, UM, here my thoughts. I I went
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: to Well for the longest time, I've had no interest
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: in nod in Africa. UM. And then I went to
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the s C. I the Safari Club International Convention this
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: past February to cover it for UM for a magazine
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: assign essentially for Outdoor Life, And while I was there,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I was kind of thinking about this more. You know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: why don't I want to hunt there? Why do all
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: these other people want to hunt there? What is the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: allure of Africa? Um? And I kind of my interest
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: in Africa changed a little bit. Before I had no
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: interest in going there at all. Now I might be
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: interesting going because there are some fascinating cultural things and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: just that the wildlife down there is unbelievable. I still
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: just personally don't have the interest in hunting there, though
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I don't have an interest in killing something there. I'd
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: love to go down there and see these animals, watch
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: these animals, UM, But I just don't have the desire
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: to kill one. And I have a hard time explaining why.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I think part of it is because there's there's so
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: many animals here in North America that I'd love to
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: still hunt and that I have like a context with
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and I thought about and scene and wondering about and
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: been fascinated with here in North America. And I also
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: feel confident about our ability to manage those species and
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to keep those species around for a long time. And
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I feel really good about the system in place to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: make sure that, you know, these things are handled properly.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: In Africa, it just seems like so much more of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: a tenuous situation. Like I know what I understand, and
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I've looked a lot into the importance of hunting in Africa,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: like there really is, it really is a need for
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the funds and the management that comes from hunters participating
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: in hunting down in Africa, so that that's an important thing,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and I'm glad people go down there and do it. Um.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I just don't. Personally, I
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: wouldn't I couldn't kill an elephant. I would not want
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: to shoot an elephan. I wouldn't want shooting unasis. I
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to shoot a lion. Um. I don't know
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: if that's just because I don't know, because they're rare,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: because because they feel so rare to me, because they
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: feel so endangered to me. Um, I wouldn't. You know.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not saying if someone out there
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: wants to do that, I'm not saying there's anything wrong
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: with it, But I'm just saying I think for me,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel right. Um Plus, I also have
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: this thing where I don't I can't justify killing something
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: just personally unless I'm going to eat it. And so
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I have the desire to to
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: eat an elephant or eat a lion or whatever. Um So,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. These are things, are things I don't
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: have like a really good answer, I guess, but these
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: are kind of like the feelings and thoughts that are
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: kind of churning around in my head when I think
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: about this. Um So, that's a long way of saying no,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not interested in hunting in Africa. I may be
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: interested in going to Africa learning more about it being
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: out there. Um but I don't think I shoot anything.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Right at this point in my life, I would say no,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: But I talked with a guy who has been there,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and he's killed almost every species. Right, And so he
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: sits here and he tells me, you know, I used
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: to think the same thing you did. But when you
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: get there and now I want you to rub your
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: your thumb and your finger together, doesn't make a very
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: very loud noise right to you at this point, right,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: it's not it's not a loud noise. He's like, it
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: is so quiet over there that that noise is almost
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: deafening because it's so quiet. Nice. So and the way
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: he explained it, and of course, you know, he hunted
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: over a water hole or you know, they throw some
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: food out because they're hunting. Regulations as far as Bait
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: is concerned, are not like here in the United States.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: But he shot, you know, a kudo, you know, all
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: these rare animals and and all that stuff. And he's like,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I used to think that until I had the opportunity
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: to go, and then me and my wife went every
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: year for like ten years in a row. And um,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: he had some money. But for me, elk, mule, deer,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: you know, bighorn, sheep, moose, all these things are higher
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: on my list right now than going to Africa. Yeah, yeah,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's. Uh, We've got so many options right here,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: relatively close, that you know, we can participate in for
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: pretty affordable, not not everything, but a lot of them
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: are pretty affordable, pretty tangable. Um. Plus, man, this is
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: just me personally, but I just love that that land,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: those landscapes out west and up in Alaska and Canada,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I just love that habitat and that terrain, mountains pines.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I prefer that over and again. Maybe maybe maybe a
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: change if I went there. You know, I've never experienced it,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: so I'm I'm judging one thing I've experienced a lot
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: versus something I've only ever seen on TV. So maybe
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: it's like you said, maybe once you get there it's different. Um,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: But for now, man, I'll take a mountaintop any day, right,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: fact alright. So typically at this point of the show
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: or earlier, we say, hey, now we have to have
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: a break from our sponsors, right, which is Sitka Gear,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: right the titles for the show. Now, because I have
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: myself a Gear podcast, I want to talk about your
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: favorite piece of Sitka clothing that you have. Very good question. Um,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: all right, Um. If I had to pick just one
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: piece of clothing that's my very favorite, I would say
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: it would be my Fanatic hoodie. I love, love love
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: my Fanatic hoodie. I just got this last year, so
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I only wore it for one year so far, but
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I wore on literally every single hunt, every single one
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: of the hunts I went on last year, I wore
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: it and I would feel horrible without it. Now that
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I now that I've experienced a hunt with him. So basically,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: for those not familiar, the Fanatic hoodie is kind of
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a man layer um light fleece, kind of gritted fleece
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: interior with non It's not like a puffy like not
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: like a puffy fleece or anything, but a very thin,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: micro gritted fleece with some elasticity to it that fits
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: well to your body. It's got a kind of kangaroo
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: pocket in the middle down for your hands. It's got
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: a deep zipper kind of half zip that comes down. UM.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: But what where I really like is two things. One,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: it's that right kind of um level of warmth to
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: breathe ability factor where it adds It adds a nice
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: bit of warmth to you to your system. But at
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the same time, you can wear it on warmer days,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: So I could go out on a day where it's
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: sixty five degrees and and be okay having that over
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you know, towards the end of the night, um, when
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: it cools down a little bit and it's not so
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: warm of a piece that I can't wear it on
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: those early season hunts. But then in the late season
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: it's a terrific base to mid layer too, to give
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: me that additional warmth. And the two things that I
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: really like though are u one for to foremost is
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: the hood the hoodie. I wear the hoodie all the time.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: It's it's kind of one of those tight kind of
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: like if you're familiar with like the climber type hoods
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: um or small fleeces like Patagonia has one. A lot
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: of different climbing and outdoor companies have these types of
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: hoodies where they're this type of shirt that has this
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: like tight elastic hoodie hood that comes over so that
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: what's nice about is it is it holds tape tight
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: to your head and doesn't impact your peripheral vision. If
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you take a typical hood which is big and sticks
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: out from your head, your your peripheral vision on either
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: side is kind of blocked out by the hood and
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: when you can't see to your left or tier right.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: But with this hood that on sick of hoodie that
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: sticks close to your head, you don't have that issue.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: So you can put this hoodie on and it covers
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: your head, gives you a little extra warmth, blocks any
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: wind on your neck, which is really nice for me.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: And it has a built in face mask, so it
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: flips down from the inside of that hood and covers
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: your face. So now I don't wear I don't bring
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: any other face mask, I don't wear any face paint.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I just pull on that hoodie, pull up the face mask,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm a ninja mode. I'm covered completely. It's tight
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: to my face, it doesn't impact me at all, doesn't
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: bother me when I draw my bow. Um, and it's
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: just super super nice. And then the on the arms,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: there's flip out kind of hand mits. I don't know
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: how just it's really hard to describe um, but in
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: bedded in the sleeve kind of is some additional fabric
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: that flips over your hands. So if it's like a
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: cold morning and you don't want to have big heavy
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: gloves when you grab your bow, but if you have
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: to grab your bow, you flip over these mits and
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: it doesn't bother you your grip at all, but it'll
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: keep your hand warm against the bow riser or whatever
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: you're doing. It's just a really nice kind of included
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: feature that is not in any way kind of bulky
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: or bothersome but when you need it, it's available. UM.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: So I don't know between those couple of things there.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I really really like that piece. And like I said,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: it's every single hunt. I'm wearing the same thing for
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: turkey season, I'll be wearing every single hunt, whether it
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: be out West or here or turkeys. Um, that's the
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: piece I'm wearing. So how about you. You've been a
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: worthily for a year. Now, what do you think? This
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: is my first year actually adhering to a layering system.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: All right, then I loved it. Now, before my Western hunt,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I did a lot of research where it was, okay,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: make sure you have some kind of down or wool
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: or you know, make sure you get wool socks because
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: they're breatha bowl or you know, and then the pluses
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: and minus of all that stuff. So I didn't have
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: this the wool or excuse me, the down lightweight vest okay,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: and that's my favorite piece but that they make. So
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I picked it up at Shields and that's a sporting
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: good store here in Iowa and took it on the trip. Now,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I really didn't need to wear it a lot. But
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: when I came back you're talking about our our Idaho trip,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't really need to wear it a lot, because
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I mean it was cool but not cold, and we
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: were moving enough, and I was out of shape enough
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: to where I was sweating and wet and warm regardless.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: So but here's the crazy part. I wore this one
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: simple little uh I guess vest and it you can
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: you can wad the entire vest up into the size
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: of a baseball. Okay, So that's how lightweight this thing is.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: And I would put it on walking to the tree stand, right,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: so it's open so if I would get warm, um
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: that the air could escape, and I would dress real
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: light on the walk in. But when I get to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: my tree stand and start getting settled down, I zip
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: that thing up and then I'd throw my um. So
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I would wear my fanatic coodie, and then I'd put
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: my down vest over top of it, and then i'd
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: put my uh UM safety harness over that, and then
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: i'd put on one of my jackets. Now I'm telling
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you right now, I would purchase if if it was
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: a one season you saw only then he had to
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: throw it away, I would purchase one of those every season.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: It blocks out so much wind and the um. I
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: don't know what what's that called warmth verse weight ratio
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: or something like that is so high. Yeah, the law
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: factor is so awesome that I you can literally wear
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: less clothing and stay warm, and that is awesome because
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I've always been old school. Hey i'm cold, Well let's
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: throw on a one more cotton hooded sweatshirt. Yeah, and
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: then I'm looking like the kid from the Christmas Story. Yeah.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: This is a big improvement on that, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you liked it. I was, you know, I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: told you for a while how much I thought you
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: would like that stuff, and then I know you could
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: have been skeptical a little bit. So I'm glad to
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: hear that that it's worked out well for it and
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: helps you on your hunts, because I I think there's
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: there's something to be said, you know, if you're someone
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: who's out there a lot and hunting it a lot
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: in these tough conditions, having the right gear, whether you know,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: whatever brand you prefer, but but this kind of advanced
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: gear I think really does help for those that are serious, serious,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: serious about it. So I'm glad it worked for you. Yep,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I loved it. That's my favorite. Uh, that's my favorite
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: piece from Sitka. All right, So what's next? I'll tell
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: you what's next. Oh, this is fun for man. I
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: might make you do this more often. Okay, So the
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: next category is because we just got serious right with Sitka,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: So we paid your bills. Thanks to that, YE have
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: no worries. We got that out of the way. All right.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Now we're gonna we're gonna take a bit of a
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: bit of a one eight and we're gonna talk about
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: going to the bathroom while you're in the tree stand.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Great topic, yep, great topic. A lot of people, a
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: lot of record, a lot of requests for this, I imagine. Okay,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: so when you pee or when you have when nature calls,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: we're gonna start off with number one. When when nature's
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: nature calls and you gotta p do you let it
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: fly from the tree stand or do you get down
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: or do you use a bottle? I let it fly.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I fled up, fly right off the tree stand. I'm
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: not concerned about it. I've seen a number of studies
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: that look into this, and remembering you understand, very quickly,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: after that yearine hits the ground or leaves your body,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: it very quickly becomes a scent and odor that deer
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: are not bothered by. Um so so Yeah, I used
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: to be worried about it, but after seeing some of
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: these studies, it seems to me that there's no nothing
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: to worry about. So I letter it. Okay, I'm gonna
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: let it ripped guy too. I used to um. I
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: used to be a bottle guy where I'd p into
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: a bottle and then I'd keep and then I forget
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: about it. And it's been in my in the back
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: seat of my truck for like six months. Then and
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: then you pull it out while it's no good, No,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: it's not good, and then you're like, oh my god,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: this is disgusting. So from that point I've been I
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: let it fly. Now. Now this is where it gets serious.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Number two. Number two. Number two that means deuce in it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: That means going poop. Okay, tell me more, what does
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: it mean? No, I really don't. This is still your show, right, Yes, yes,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: at least for the time being. Okay, So do you
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: let it fly from the tree stand? Do you put
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: it in a bottle or do you do Okay, how
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: on the how in the world do you put it
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: in a bottle? I don't know. You got like gatorade
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: bottle and you got good aim. I don't know if
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: it fit. Man, don't use a bottle. And that's my
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: first piece of advice. Maybe like a bread sack or whatever,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: a bread sack, I don't know. I'm just thinking of
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: like every day items that you can find around the
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: house that have a bigger than Oh my gosh, Okay,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: funny story. I once hunted with a friend. I'm not
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: gonna give details here, but I hunted a certain place
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: with a friend who was parked in the front yard
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: of someone's place. Um, but wasn't going to head into
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: hunt until daylight for a certain reason. But before he
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: had to head into hunt, he was sitting there in
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the truck waiting for daylight to go across this field
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: and go hunt. And he had to go so bad,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: like horribly, horribly bad. But it's in an area where
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: there's like a bunch of houses and stuff, so it
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't like he could just easily go to the woods.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: It was like he had to go right then and there.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: But he was in a front yard surrounded by other houses.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: So he panicked. I didn't want to just drop a
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: deuce in this person's front yard, so he hid behind
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: his truck, found a Meyer or found a grocery store
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: grocery bag in his truck, pooped in the grocery bag,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: tied it up, tied it up, put it underneath his
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: truck tire, went hunting. I forgot about it and later
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: drove over it when he was driving out of the yards. Awesome,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: and it probably he probably left it there. No, no,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: you did actually take it. He recovered it and properly
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: disposed of it. But the proper disposal I think was
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: like some trash can at its store, so really really
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: nasty stuff. Um. But what would I do? Is the question?
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I suppose What would Mark Kenyon do? Mark Kenyon would
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: not use a bread sack, He would not use a
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: gatorade bottle. He would hold it as long as he
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: possibly could, but if there was no choice, he would
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: scurry down from his tree and try to get a
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: little ways away from where he was hunting. Dig a hole,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: lean up against the tree, take care of my business,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and bury the evidence. That's what I do. Got you? Okay?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Fair enough? What about you? You do? You go with
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: the bread sack? Row? Oh? No, Um, I've I've had
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: two occasions where I just dropped right from the tree.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Don't even get out of the tree. Did I feel
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: like you once told me that you did that while
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: your buddy Ryan was in the tree with you. Is
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: that true? That's that's true. I think he was filming
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: me while you while you did it. We were good
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: hunting buddies. That's what you don't You don't judge another
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: hunting buddy for having to go number two. This this
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: is quality podcast entertainment right here. This is it. I
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: can't I can see the headlines now, worst podcast ever,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: the podcast, But most of the time I'll just dig
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: a hole with my heel at the bottom of the tree.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Stand just depends on you know, because and that's why
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I stopped drinking coffee during hunting season, because you know,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: coffee gets the juices flowing. And when I you know,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: get in the morning and day you had your cup
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: of coffee on your way in the tree and uh oh, yeah,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: you know I can't do that. I agree, No, no
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: coffee pre hunt. It's never good. But always always bring
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: t P with you. That's something I've learned. You're gonna
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: be walking out of the timber with one sleeve missing
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: off your T shirts. Man, speaking of this is funny.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: This is the same friend who had the grocery back story.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I think I've heard this one before, but you're gonna
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: have to tell it again. Yeah, yeah, So the same friend.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: He has a lot of poop issues. We were hunting
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: up in northern Michigan, so this is like out in
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: the boonies and he's hunting this property we have, and um,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: he got lost walking to a stand and this in
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the middle of deep northern Michigan swamp and he hadn't
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: hunted there. He had only been in there like a
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: year or two, so we didn't know the air too well.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: So we got lost walking in the morning try to
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: find where he's gonna hunt. He was getting stressed out.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: He drank coffee that morning and now after wandering around
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: in circle, was in the middle of the dark, in
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, in this huge cedar swamp. You
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: know that stress is building up. It's gotta tell me rumbling,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: and he's got to go, and he's got to go bad.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: But he doesn't know how to get back to the cabin,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and he does not know where he is, and he
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: did not bring TP with him. So you know, when
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: you gotta go, you gotta go. So he took care
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: of business, and he had to tear off his boxers,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: but when he tried to tear them, it left the
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: elastic band around the middle, but everything else tore off,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: so he had to use that and he came back,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: you know. So then he doesn't tell me about any
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: of this stuff, obviously, until we get back to camp
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: and he just walks up to me and he pulls
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: up his shirt and it just shows this ripped elastic
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: underwear band around his belly, and I'm like, what in
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: the world did you do and why are you showing
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: me this? So always bring t P. Always, Always don't
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: don't be that guy that has nothing but a Haynes's
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: elastic band thong on or walk out of the timber
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: with one sleeve or one sleep. Dude. Here's another story
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I got. I've got a lot of these stories. These
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: are weird. This is another friend who had to do this.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: He forgot TP and so he had to take one
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: of his socks off. He used a sock. He tried
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: to bury it, I think, but apparently not well enough
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: because we got back to this property shed hunting a
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: year later and we're walking around and we walk up
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: on a sock and I'm like, what's the sock doing
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: out here? He's like, oh, I used that to wipe
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: myself and he picks it up to bring it home
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: with him. What what what are you doing? You you
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: you took care of business with that sock. And he's like, well, yeah,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: that was that was five months ago, and he was No,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: he's married. I'm not gonna say anymore. I'm not gonna
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: say anymore, but it's okay. But I was laughing pretty hard.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I was giving a real hard time about that one.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, who knew we would have so many
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: number two stories, right, I have a couple more, but
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I think we don't have time for those. Um okay,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: So sorry guys, everyone listening. I'm so sorry for this.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: No way, I think the fans. I think the listeners
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: are enjoying this. They are here, right because you know what,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: everybody can relate in some way. I don't care how
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: uptight you are, how mature you are, we can all
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: relate to this in some small way. Well, the oldest
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: joke in the world is the fart that's true, never
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: never gets old, never gets old. Okay, So okay, So
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: after that, um okay, favorite, let's see what do I
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: want to do? I have a list? Here? Okay, here here,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: don't have a list, you're so full of it. Well,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a list. It's just more it looks
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: like I was gonna say, it's like chicken scratch and drawings,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: probably on a piece of paper. Right, So like here,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: here's one. I'm gonna read it. Um music listen on
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: the on the way. So that's what that's what it says. Okay, so,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: oh man, on your way from wherever you're staying to
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: your hunting property. What kind of music do you listen to?
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: All Right? I take this very seriously. I know and
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I anyway, go ahead, take this very seriously. So it's
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: one of two things. I either have a I've got
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: a CD. I've got a playlist. It used to be
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: a CD now it's a playlist of hunting related songs.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: So stuff like fred Bear and um shoot, there's a
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of different Turkey Point Buck and second Week
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: of Deer Camp and a bunch of great hunting related songs.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: So that's option number one, Okay. Option number two is
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: techno music like dance electronic dance music like Pump Me Up. Yeah, Yeah,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: A lot of that because that gets me, gets me
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: fired up, gives me awake. Um. So for the past
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: several years, I've developed what I call the rut and
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Rave playlist for the year. So every year, in like October,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I put together a new electronic dance music playlist for
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Spotify that I jammed to for that whole hunting season.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: That's like my soundtrack for the season, and that's what
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: gets me up and going. Every morning on the drive
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: over while I'm drinking like a five hour energy and
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: eating my breakfast, we jam out to that. So, um,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: that's what I That's what I do. I think what
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: we should do is it doesn't have to be this podcast,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: but me and you need to come up with our
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: top ten hunting song like a hunting list playlist, and
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: then we'll post it as a blog on the Wired
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: to Hunt. Yeah blog. No, definitely, I had I posted
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: that exact thing either last year or the or the
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: fall before, So there is a blog post of what
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I post of what I had a year or two ago.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: So I'll post that link in the notes for this
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: one if I remember, and then we should do an
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: updated list for sure, with with your suggestions as well.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I think that would be good. I've actually had I've
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: talked about this. I don't know where I talked about it,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: but I talked about this rutten Ripe playlist before, and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: I've had people request for me to send it over.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I actually had somebody in my our our Wired to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Hunt audience survey, someonody somebody requested that I share my
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Spotify playlist. So there is interest. There is interest in this, okay, now,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: But what about you myself? I don't necessarily like to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: get fired up, like like I remember when all the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Hunting shows used to have like heavy metal. It's like
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: their tiptoe into the woods and all you hear is
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: like you know that kind of stuff, and uh uh,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: never never really thought of hunting and heavy metal going together. Agreed.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: But I am a huge fan of the Black Keys
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: and the past two years along with my John Lee
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Hooker Greatest Hip album, those two, those two CDs are
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: what I jam out too on my way to in
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: the specific Black Keys c D is Brothers, the album
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: titled Brothers by the Black Keys, that's the one that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I jam out too. And John Lee Hooker's Greatest Hits.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: So what does that stuff? What does it do for it?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Is it does that gets you pumped? Or is it
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: just gets you like in the flow and comfortable or what?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: What doesn't do it for? Focus? Focused? And it's not like, uh,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: it's not like, hey, I need to bench press two
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: d pounds type focused or uh you know, I'm gonna
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: try to relax and go to sleep. It gives me
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: just like that, I don't know, like when I think
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: of blues, I think of like dirt roads and country
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: and backwoods and uh, just kind of like blues rock
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: type of boom boom, you know that kind of that
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff, And for some reason it just gets me.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: It gets me like not fired up, but it gets
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: me focused and ready for the upcoming hunt. Yeah, you know,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: I think there really is something to this because music
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: can really impact your mindset and your attitude and you're
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: like focus level and that's so important going into a hunt.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I really do think that your mind is so important.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Just being in the right place mentally before a hunt
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: can make a big difference, especially especially during the rut.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: If you've hunted days on end and you're exhausted and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: tired after five full day sits or whatever. I mean,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: that is when it's just like it becomes such a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: mental game and music really can help. I think. Ye. Alright,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: So we we drive to the property, right we are,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: we take we get out of our truck. We walked
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: to the tree stand and oh man, I'm kind of hungry.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: What snacks did you pack for your hunting? Shit, you're
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: just trying to get me in trouble. Well, I know
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: you got haters from oh man, you got diabetes or
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: whatever whatever those comments were about your They came out
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: of the woodwork and just like blasted me for unhealthy diet.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: They shamed you. They really they they body shamed me, Dan,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: They body shamed me. They diet shamed me, and it
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: hurt my feelings. So let's talk about that more. What
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: what is in your backpack? So it depends on the
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: time of year. If it's uh, I really don't. I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: don't bring food with me at all except for the rut.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: So when during the regular during the rest of the season,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: just maybe a bottle of water. But during the rut,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: that's when I'm hunting, you know, is you know, long hours,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: usually the full day. So in those cases that bring
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: snacks because you know, when you're on the tree for
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: twelve thirteen hours. You need something to help distract you
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: and something to obviously keep you sustained out there. So
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: I usually bring of variety of different things. But if
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I had to, like if I had to bring like
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: on average, what i'd had, I've got bottle of water,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: I've got some type of caffeine, so it might be
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: a can of pop, it might be ah energy drink,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: like a five hour energy or something like that. Um.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: But between those two water for the full day, and
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: then like a little burst of caffeine that I'll try
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: to take around lunch. Um. And then I'll bring usually
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: two types of snack options, and then I'll lunch. So
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: lunch will probably usually be like a peanut butter and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: jelly sandwich, some type of cracker or chip, and like
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: a banana or an apple. UM, and then snacks to
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: eat usually around you know, like maybe ten o'clock nine,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Between nine and ten, I'll usually have a snack, and
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: then it might have another snack between two and three
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: to kind of break up my day. So like I've
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: got you know, you know, hunt for a couple of hours,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: snack a couple of hours, lunch a couple of hours,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: snack couple hours into the hunt, so that that snack
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: might be jerky or some mixed nuts, um uh, maybe
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: some crackers just like that granola bar. Um. Some combination
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: of those types of things would typically be the snacks
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: that would bring. And then maybe like a little piece
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: of candy, just as like to reward myself for still
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: being there. Um. So in general, that is what I've
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: got on those hunts. Sometimes I brought lunchables, which sounds
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: like a weird thing for lunch, but like I discovered
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: this a couple of years ago. I don't know where
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: I got the idea, but you know, sometimes it's just
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: tough to make a sandwich and pack a lunch and
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So getting a kid's lunchable
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: has got some meat, some crackers, some cheese, some kind
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: of little, you know, dessert thing, and they're just from
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: a convenient standpoint, it looks kind of ridiculous, sounds kind
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: of ridiculous, but it made it just convenient to grab
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: something and go and you've got your lunch covered for
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: those all days sets. So I occasionally do that, um,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: But otherwise I'd say that's my general rut related diet
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: for during the hunt. Yeah, all right. So I don't
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: typically bring any soda or pop into the timber. It's
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: always just a bottle of water. However, I used to
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: be like go to the go to the gas station
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: the night before and get like five apple pies and
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: just eat apple pies all day, you know, the little
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: pre package apple pies. Now these days, the last two seasons,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: I think I've felt like some kind of sugar crash,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: sugar rush crash where I get extra tired after you know,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: after that sugar wears off. So now, um, I've been
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: bringing baby carrots and apples and that's pretty much it
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: for But you that's is that what you're eating for
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: lunch or you you're saying you're usually eating lunch at
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: the truck. Whenever I'm in the tree stand, whether it's
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: an all day set, which I don't typically do, or
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: let's say like if I'm going in at noon and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I know I have six hours ahead of me of sitting,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: or I know, hey, I'm gonna try to sit from
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: morning all the way till noon before I switched tree stands,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: or if I know there's gonna be a wind shift
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: and I bring food in with me it's either These days,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: it's just basically maybe a granola bar. This year, I
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: had some left over um backpacking bars from the Elk trip,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: so I brought some of those in with me since
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: you bought. Yeah, I think seventy two was the amount
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: of pounds that I took in that those bars. Way,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: that sounds about right. But the baby carrots and apples,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: and that's the last two years pretty much, that's what
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: I've every once in a while, maybe I'll grab a
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: granola bar, but I feel that eating a whole bunch
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: of sugar and then crashing makes you more tired than
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: what you already are. Yeah, no, I agree. I think
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: a generally decent diet out there does help. I've gotten
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: better despite what people thought when they saw that picture.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Most of that was not being eaten on the stand
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: all day. You have to have a little for me,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: like a little variety, you know. I reward myself with
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: the occasional junk food, but then I also eat primarily
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: healthier food out there because it's like a it's a game.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: It's like get to mentally, it's a mental game, and
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: for me, you get to have like a little you know,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: it's like that the scarrot or the carrot versus the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: stick mentality. I want that carrot out in front of
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: me of like something different two hours from now and
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: something different three hours from then. Again, that's this is
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: for like those all day sits which are just you know,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: particularly difficult. Having some variety is something that helps for me.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: But I do agree keeping a generally healthy diet will help.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Um I cannot. I personally have to be honest. I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: cannot claim to eat healthy dinners during those RUT trips
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: because we're out. We're living in a hotel in the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: middle of nowhere or you know wherever it is, with
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: a bunch of us guys sharing hotel rooms. So you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: can't cook something good. You can't you know, really do
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: a good job of planning healthy meal. So we just
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: end up eating junk food every night, kind of from
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: wherever fast food place we go. So that is our
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: downfall probably, But you know what, live a little right,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: So I I when I go on my rut vacations,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: I'm fortunate enough to stay with my parents because my
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: hunting property is close to their house. So I just stare,
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  Speaker 1: stay there and drive to the hunting property every morning.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: And so I either get home cooked meals every night,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: which is nice, or if for some reason my mom
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't cook a meal, I'll throw in a pizza, like
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: a frozen pizza, or maybe make a trip to subway.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: But I binge eat at night, so I'm typically I'm
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: not typically too hungry in the mornings. So I'll get
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: hungry somewhere around ten thirty eleven o'clock. Yeah, so I
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I don't eat breakfast. Do you know what this is doing?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: What's making me hungry? Well, yeah, that it's making me hungry,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: and it's also getting me excited for the rut. Just
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: talking about the RUT trip, I'm getting pumped. I know,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm pumped about turkey hunting, and I'm pumped about well,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I'm always pumped about deer hunting. Yeah, okay, I'm I'm
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: real pumped. I'm I'm man, I'm ready. Are you pumped?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I'm pumped. I'm ready to get out there. I've been
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: scouting maps already, I've been thinking, I've been looking. I'm
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: ready to get out to I'm going down to Ohio
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: again here and like a month to turkey hunt and
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: put up cameras for the summer and do some more
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: work and uh man, you know how it is the
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: cycle endlessly repeats over and over. Okay, So we've already
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: been at this about an hour, alright, little over an hour,
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna end on the last question of this
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: is the last question? Okay, okay. But but before we
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: get into that last question, I have another question for you.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: How how do you think I'm doing as a host?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: So far? You've done well, then I've done well. Okay,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Other other than getting a really crappy guest, other than
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: this being the worst guest ever, this is You've done
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: a good job. I've enjoyed it. It's been fun for
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: me and in about ten minutes of talking about poop,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: that's been the highlight problems from Okay, okay, So other
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: than that, what's the last question? The last question? And
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: this is this is something that our listeners get every
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: day from this podcast. You know, you get the emails.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: I get the emails and they're kind of like, hey man,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I love this podcast. Um, I love it. You know
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  Speaker 1: I've used these tactics to um, you know, moving on
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: a deer or next year I know where I need
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: to be, or hey I helped you know, it. You know,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: your guests and all the information that they've brought has
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: gotten me information that I need to make a move
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: on a deer. And you know, they send you pictures
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: like here, here's this buck I killed this year. Yeah,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: that's awesome. I love I love hearing about our listeners success.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: That's that is probably my favorite part of this whole
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: deal is talking with the listeners. But now we're gonna
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: talk about Mark Kenyon. What is your favorite tactic? Now
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: that's very general question or very broad, vague question, right,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: very very what is your favorite hunting dear white tail
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  Speaker 1: with a bow hunting tactic? So I mean do you
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: mean like a like a trick or like an overarching
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: philosophy or like one basic concept that I hear that
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: I hear to or something like that. Okay, I'll repeat myself,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: what is your favorite white tail with a bow bow hunting?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Hunting tactic? So you're not gonna get it, Okay, do
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: you want me to go? Do you want me to
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: go first? No, I'll take it, Okay, Okay, I'll take it. Um,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: I'll just answer it how I want to answer. That's fine, Okay,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: it's open for interpretation. It's open So if I had
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  Speaker 1: to think through all of the different things that I've
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: learned over my own years of hunting, and my own
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: years of studying other resources, and now learning from all
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: these dozens and dozens and dozens of different people I've
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: been able to talk to through what You're hunt in
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: the podcast, if I take all those things, and if
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: I had to drill down to like the core concepts
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: of what's the very most important thing for me when
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: it comes to being a successful ball hunter. I think
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: most of what I do, if I were to drill
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: down to the essentials of it, comes down to the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: importance of timing. Everything for me revolves around timing, and
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: that is by default related to pressure. Right. I think
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: everything when it comes to hunting mature box comes to
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: how can you reduce hunting pressure? How can you make
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: these deer feel comfortable and not become educated about your
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: presence and then still be able to get in and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: hunt that deer, put yourself in a position to kill
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: that deer within you know, thirty yards or whatever without
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: them realizing they're being hunted. So how do you do that?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: And I think the most important thing you can do
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: in order to achieve that is to pay attention to
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: your timing. By that, I mean when you hunt, when
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: you hunt certain areas, how you approach your season based
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: on time of year, conditions, all that. So at a
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: at a super high level, you know, I'm thinking through
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: You know, for example, I'm I'm not hunting certain areas
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: at certain times, I'm not hunting at all with certain conditions.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: I'm planning on hunting specific stands or specific areas because
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: of a time of year, or because of a specific
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: specific set of factors, or you know, intel that I've gained. Um.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: But but all these things relate to timing, being really
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: thoughtful and purposeful about choosing when you hunt, why you
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: hunt on that given day or during that given time,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: and when you go into a certain area. So at
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: a high level, that would be the most I think
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: the most like overarching philosophical view I have about deer
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: hunting is everything relates to timing. Um. I think most
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: of what I do revolves around that concept in some way,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: because in the past, I thought you just hunt as
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: much as you possibly could. Every chance I have, I'm
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: gonna hunt, and I'm gonna always go to the best
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: place I think I can go and I've come to
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: find that quality over quantity is a lot more important.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: So to get those quality sets, it comes down to
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: picking the right times to strike, or at least picking
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: the right times to be in the right place. So
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: that is my answer. That's a that's a good answer.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. Okay, did I answer correctly? Sure? How
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: about you? Do you have a favorite tactic? Now, I'm
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: going to be specific in mine. My favorite tactic is
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: because most of my the majority of my hunting, you know,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: other than the early season, where you know, I can
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: hunt the weekends. So if I'm going to approach my
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: rut vacation, all right, I am going to find a
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: betting area on a ridge, and I am going to
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: sit on the down wind side of that, either that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: specific betting area or a travel corridor off that ridge
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: to and from a betting two or from a betting area,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: and I walk with my back two. Well, it just
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: depends on how I'm accessing that particular stand. But a
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: majority of my um access routes have my wind the
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: wind blowing against my back already in the timber. It's
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: blowing into the timber, right, So if there is for
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: some reason something there it's gonna bust me, but it's
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: kind of a risky move. And that once you get
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: to your stand, that wind is blowing off the top
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: of the ridge down into the valley. And I have
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: seen more deer in that scenario than any other scenario
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: or tree stand placement that I have ever that I
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: that I have. So that is my favorite because that
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: is where I have the encounters with my biggest box
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: and the end as far as quantity of deer, the
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: most dear I see. So during the rut downwind of
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: a dough betting area or travel corridor going into out
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: of a betting area. Correct, And typically this is on
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: a ridge on a ridge and you are going in
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: the morning morning hunt with the wind blowing into the
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: timber off the ridge into the valley. That's correct, all right,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: that sounds like a pretty decent set up. So that's
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: my that's my favorite tactic. Good answer, my friend, Okay,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: good answer, Well, my friend, I guess I'll hand the
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: reins back over to you. What do you think on
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: a scale of nine to ten? How did I do?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Nine to ten? Is my only options? Right? So that way,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: if you say nine, I can say, hey, you know
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: I did it pretty good. I got in fine. I
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: give you the lowest possible rating available and that's good. Okay, okay,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: you gotta ten. Dan. You did great, You did great.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. This was fun. It was it was different,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: and uh I laughed a lot, so HI marks for laughter.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Good good, Alright, hopefully the listeners found it this fun
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: as well. I don't think anyone heard it, Dan. I
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: think everyone turned off after ten minutes, so I think
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: it was this is for you and me. This is
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: playing in the background while someone's doing the dishes or
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: you know, working on a car motor going number two.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: So so I'm gonna take it back from you really
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: really briefly here. Um, thank you Dan for running this one.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: This was fun. And we didn't even say at the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: beginning that if someone's new to the show, why this happened.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: This happened because you won the trail Camera beout Last
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Summer UM, and so the winner of that got to
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: host the show. Well, if it was you, you you got
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: to host the show. So that's why we did this, um,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: And it was fun. So I might make you do
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: it again in the future and watch out, Hey, I say,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: we have the same bed again. Yeah, that's a good idea. Okay,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about that more towards summertime. Yeah, yeah, we
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: we should. We'll talk about more in the summer, which, um,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I'm pumped for some big Velvet bucks on trail camera.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: So so that said, Before we do shut down the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: show though, just quickly, we need to give a big
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: thank you to our partners who helped keep this podcast
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: on the air. So big thank you too, Sick Gear, Trophy, Ridge,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds On Tara Maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tailed Institute of North America.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: And finally, in most importantly, thank you everyone for joining
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: us today, for listening, for laughing along with us. We
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: hope you had as much fun as we did. Until
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: next time, Dan, do you want to take it from there? Yeah,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: And I wrote a comment down real quick. Hopefully this
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: podcast was like a warm hug to your ears. And
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: this is a reminder from Dan Johnson and Mark Kenyon
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: to stay wired to hunt. Well done, m