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026 - Tattoo Talks w/ Shaila Roach - Pt. 2 · Here's to You

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  Thanks for the coffee, Emily. I really needed it.
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  No problem. We got our hurry because we're
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  always late. No!
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  Oh man, there's a everywhere. Where are the napkins?
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  Don't worry about it. We can just go ahead and I'll
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  schedule with to you Auto. They'll come to where we at, and
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  then they'll clean it while we're at the wedding.
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  Okay. You drive off schedule with to
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  you all, do what's website go to to you Auto.com?
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  Wait, what was it again? The number to the letter U
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  Auto.com Perfect? Ready to go 5 4 3 2 1
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  You've got your husband here making the strings.
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  That's mine. What's going on with the drinks?
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  Don you got to make it over there.
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  Hello going on with the drinks. So Making a clover club today
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  for Shayla cause she likes. Jim and go ahead and lie.
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  Go ahead and lie. What he already said it, we are
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  making Jen drinks because I like gin.
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  There we go. Very awesome way to simplify
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  that Shale. It's like something you've grown
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  up. I was telling the girls earlier
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  that Jenna's my holiday drink. Yes.
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  A little cranberry in it and everything I like I like a
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  little Christmas tree taste in my drink.
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  You know next time when you do you should put like cranberries
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  but like freeze them and then put a little sugar on top of
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  them and freezes and put on top of your fucking mind.
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  You know, I found I started using Frozen grapes in my wine
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  ohh-oh-oh, Summer, Wine cold and then the grapes get filled with
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  booze and then you eat them. Yep.
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  Yep. New grapes to cool down old
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  grapes. Anyways about drinks.
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  So yes husband, please tell us what you made for the Clover
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  Club. We're gonna start off with some
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  dry gin. We're gonna use one point five
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  ounces of the Gin next. We today we don't have raspberry
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  syrup so we're going to be using raspberry liqueur, which is a
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  sweeter kind of alcoholic thing. Will use about 3/4 of that and
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  we're going to use three quarters of lime juice.
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  Juice and then we're going to use some egg whites.
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  Yeah. So I was surprised that they
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  were all down for the egg whites today.
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  Some cracking an egg. Now letting that in.
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  Wow, you guys over here, he just cracked open an egg.
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  But what are we going to do with the yolk?
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  If you want to but yeah, whenever we go to shake any of
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  the The egg whites. We want to dry shake it first.
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  We don't want to use any ice or anything in it.
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  We just want to break that up first.
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  And then we'll put some ice in and then we'll start shaking it
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  again. This is why I love him.
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  That's why he's my man. Have you seen let me that's
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  mine? You sold me and I stayed back
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  in. Now, we're going to shake it.
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  We don't deny it. Lady.
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  Everyone, everyone. Everyone on this episode - one
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  person is we will get there. My brother was born on the 8th.
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  March 8th was born on March night, should we stir hers?
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  She should be good. Oh my God.
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  Okay, let's see, let's taste it. Should I drink through the tubby
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  foam into the butt juice? Oh yeah.
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  Lick the tea first and then drink it.
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  No, that's great. That is super good.
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  Look at you. I'm so proud of you.
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  Damn. It doesn't even taste.
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  Like there's a whole leg in there.
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  You're getting your protein into.
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  Wow, that's really good Dawn. Thank you.
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  What was the name of this drink again?
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  That's yours, young Clover club, hmm?
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  Okay, that's fantastic. So make sure to follow here CU
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  casts on Instagram so that you can get.
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  So you can see a live footage of the resumes to now we're not
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  that cool. Yeah, we're getting there.
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  Emily's, really the one who slacks.
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  We try to make Dusty made a real.
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  I make a lot of The posts. I'm, I don't know.
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  I don't know why. I'm just here.
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  I just I think I'm just here. It was supposed to take over our
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  Tick-Tock. I thought about it on the way
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  here today. And you know how you say you're
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  the star of the show, it's more like your the diva of the show.
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  Yes. Oh, that's good anyway and Eva
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  diva As that smarter. Not harder.
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  Exactly. Oh my God.
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  So we already spoke about your apprenticeship already, did we?
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  Yes, we did. I understand you're doing more
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  cosmetic tattooing as well. I know a lot of women are doing
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  the, you know, eyebrows eyeliner and everything like that.
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  What made you want to do that too?
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  As well. Well actually I wanted to be a
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  cosmetic touch her before I got the opportunity to do regular
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  tattooing. It was just Kind of a back then,
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  it was a there. There was hardly, anybody that
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  did it and I'd kind of seen it. You know, it's been around for
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  way longer than people think, oh, yeah.
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  People were getting their eyebrows, an eyeliner tattooed
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  by traditional tattooers in like, they're early like late
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  40s, early 50s, but it just wasn't as prevalent.
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  Yeah. But especially through, you
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  know, the 40s. When like you didn't leave your
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  house without your your brows in your eyeliner, in your lips on,
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  it was like a huge deal and so that kind of took off I like had
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  seen it in a magazine. Or I think it was actually a
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  book about like, a book about tattooing, and anyway, I really
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  want to get into it. But at the time there was only
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  one lady in which taught that did it.
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  Hmm, she was in her 70s. I remember you.
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  Yeah, she had the market like fucking Corner.
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  She worked with the state to develop the curriculum.
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  And at the time you were either a tattoo artist or you were
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  cosmetic, tattoo artist. She was the only one in town
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  that could license another Cosmetic tattoo artist.
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  And that bitch was taking it to her grave.
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  She never trained to anyone. No.
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  She was like she drove this like sick old Jaguar.
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  Oh shit. Like you know?
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  Okay, and she had like she was so fancy, dude.
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  I just like kind of like, was enamored by her because she's
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  like Rich As Fuck. Hey, we like, I love and she was
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  just like this, classy. Beautiful like, and she had a
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  cheated all the permanent makeup and she worked at the state to
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  develop the curriculum. And she basically worked herself
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  in His official. No one else could do it.
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  Hmm. So yours.
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  Obviously, like things change microlending.
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  We can drag antic thing. Yeah, microwaving was like a
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  buzzword, like, everybody's like, microwaving, microwaving I
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  need to get into this. And there were so many people
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  that wanted to either get or do microbe waiting in Kansas that.
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  Finally, the State Board of Cosmetology that regulates
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  tattooing was like realize that they were missing a lot of
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  opportunity for money like for people to get license and pay
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  dues and test in and test out in the whole thing, the stay always
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  just wants to get My money out of Licensing.
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  I agree. And so, I finally, I kissed this
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  lady's ass for years, like every time she'd come in, I was like,
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  Hey, Samantha, what's up, girl? How you doing?
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  And would like express interest and whatever and I was working
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  in the shop and she would sometimes she had a relationship
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  with Dennis was she would sometimes need to use our
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  catalogs to order pigments and stuff, because she worked out of
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  a med spa. And she wasn't like, licenses a
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  tattoo shop. She was a licensed, a to her.
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  Yeah. But she would like me to
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  Supplies and stuff. Sometimes so she developed a
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  relationship with Dennis and Dennis was always chill.
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  Like, yeah. If you want us to order you
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  something order it. So man, I was all over this lady
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  and she just wasn't having it for not just me, but like, for
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  anybody. And so, anyway, it's been almost
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  five years since the state finally decided that they were
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  going to ease up on the licensing for permanent makeup.
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  But here's what's fucked up and this is really important and I'm
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  glad that this like segwayed into this subject, but the state
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  said, okay, if you're already a licensed tattoo artist, you can
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  do a license without any additional training.
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  So instead of like requiring, this, like gigantic amount of
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  training, they just went all your tattoo.
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  Are you already know what you're doing?
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  You can tattoo a face. So I sent an email to the state
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  and said, hey, I want to do permanent makeup and they were
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  like, no problem. I'll send your license out and
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  like that. And so that's how I got dual
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  licensed. Yeah.
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  The thing is, is that permanent makeup and body tattooing body
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  of that? Like, how I distinguish the two
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  traditional tattooing is two completely different beasts.
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  And I didn't know that when I went into it because I was like,
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  I'm already a fucking tattoo or I can tattoo and eyebrow.
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  Like if I can tattoo, you know, a lady head with two eyebrows on
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  it, on your arm, I can touch your face, it's fine.
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  Yeah and then I went into training and realized like oh
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  shit this is a whole different thing, the color theories
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  different, the healing is different.
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  The contraindications are different as far as like meds
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  that you're on any like Preexisting conditions, you
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  have, like things that we have to know about.
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  We have to talk about the effect, the skin on your face.
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  That don't necessarily ever affect body tattooing.
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  Yeah. So when I went into training, I
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  was just kind of blindsided by. It was like oh shit, this is
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  like a whole thing. Yeah, but it appealed to me
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  because permanent makeup kind of hits The Sweet Spot of what I've
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  always loved and tattooing one of my favorite things about
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  tattooing, that's very cheesy. As I like how transformative
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  tattooing can be for people. Especially for for women's
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  bodies and for a body confidence and self image.
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  Yeah, I've seen ladies come in that want to get their thighs
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  tattooed because they have stretch marks and they hate
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  their. But they won't wear shorts
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  because they don't like the way their legs look and dresses and
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  shorts and they come get a giant tattoo and they're like fuck.
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  Yeah. Like nobody talks about my
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  stretch marks because they're not covered up but they're
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  distracted from and now I'm stoked on this huge image and I
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  feel better about my body and I really really like that about
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  tattooing. And permanent makeup is like the
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  ultimate form of that. Oh yeah.
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  You know what I mean? And so that's like it's a it's a
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  tiny bit narcissistic because it's like it's very like self
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  gratifying like because I love that reaction and you guys like
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  as women gets narcissistic because you're doing it because
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  you know that it'll help someone it does.
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  But it also makes me feel good. Yeah, like switching guys.
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  I'm gonna trade off. That sounds like the trade.
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  Yeah. It sounds like a win-win.
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  Yeah, that's what. Yeah, because I got my Applause.
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  Yes, I got my eyebrows done because I always thought, you
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  know, my eyebrows were horrible and then you know, with me
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  getting my eyebrows, I feel so confident because I'm like, I
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  have it done and it makes me feel beautiful, you know, there
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  was Kevin and our shop, Kevin Waukee he's been tattooing for
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  23 or 24 years. He at one point said, I didn't
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  know eyebrows were such a big deal.
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  Oh, yeah. And I was like, dude, you have
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  no idea how much I'm are the senator, think about.
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  Their brow. Oh yeah, we wake up and like put
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  them on. They never go on the way that we
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  want to. Like yeah eyebrows are like
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  their cousins. Well no they're sisters.
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  I heard they're cousins sisters. Getting Thomas, are twins, their
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  sisters not twins. Yeah, yeah.
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  But yeah, like people don't realize how much time we spend
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  thinking about that and dealing with it.
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  And for me personally, like, I was like a little goth kid.
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  I used to dye my hair jet black and I'm very, very blond
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  naturally. And I've always had released
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  First eyebrows. And then of course, I was a
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  teenager and the early 2000s and so I just like wax that shit off
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  basically and dream back on and like I was and I dream on girl
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  with like the, my Maybelline red liner.
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  I was like yeah you were like borderline goth kid but also
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  like a chola. I had a lot of Mexican friends
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  room. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Alright.
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  Yeah. You know, those were the
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  vicious, the taught me how to put my eyebrows.
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  So I was like, God from here down and like Chola from here
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  up. Yep.
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  If your eyebrows are not The Lightyear, your lips.
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  I didn't know your address here. Up, you'll today.
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  I am. He's so thin as well because I
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  used to pluck that shit. And one time, I shaved it, and I
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  used to shave mine off. Oh my God.
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  I shaved mine and I only shaved like to write here because like
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  I have a like a so you could draw your tail on him.
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  I'll drop my telling ya the way. Yeah, but guys don't know that.
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  Like, if you shave your eyebrows they don't come back.
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  A lot of times they do. They know they don't which Is
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  one of the things that like, it's always a misconception
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  about how, like, if you shave your body, the hair comes in
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  thicker. So when we're shaving to prep
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  for a stencil placement on a body, they're always like, oh
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  damn now that patch my hair's going to be thicker and I was
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  like that was dried up eyebrows because I used to shave that
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  shit way off. But yeah, I just, I really like
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  and it's also cool. Like I really like the The
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  aspect of cosmetic tattooing. Also, like I work with a lot of
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  cancer survivors and a lot of times when you go through chemo
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  and radiation treatment your eyebrows, and your lashes, don't
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  come back. And so for me, like, my
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  grandmother was battled breast cancer, a double mastectomy, she
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  ended up, Surviving it, but it kind of like was the downfall of
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  her health that led to her ending up passing and she was
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  really important to me. Yeah.
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  And so and I just see so many women that are affected by it
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  and not even just because of cancer but just in general like
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  I do not Roasted so bad for not having I wrote when I was a kid.
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  Like, you know, young adult. Yeah.
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  Teenager like, it was always like running on my fucking
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  eyebrows and I start drawing them on.
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  They were all shitty and it seems silly.
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  Like, it seems insignificant but like your eyebrows are like the,
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  they're the Cornerstone of your face of Court.
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  That's what I always say. Like, the first thing I see on a
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  person is their eyebrows. I always look at your eyebrows
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  first. I don't know why, but that's,
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  that's the first thing I look, yeah.
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  And it's a big deal. Like, if you, it doesn't matter
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  who you are, If you walk into a quick trip and you see a girl
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  from across the way, that's got her eyebrows put on like this.
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  You're like bitch. Yeah, oh yeah.
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  Conquering right now, especially when you see some friends.
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  When I was working at Goodwill as a teenager, she worked with
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  me and we just kind of stayed friends.
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  There was one she moved to Chicago and she came back one
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  year for like Christmas or whatever.
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  We're sitting at the bar. And this is at the peak of me,
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  having like the straight up o control abroad.
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  Like I looked East l.a. like it was bad and I didn't know it.
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  Like I thought I would wish it wasn't some Compton girls.
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  I was bad bitch. Like it was so bad she was at
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  Runner. I was we're talking about Troy.
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  I want to talk about And so my girlfriend, we were sitting
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  across the table from one another at Harry's.
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  And she said, listen, I love you, regardless of the altitude
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  of your eyebrows but we need to like poem that shit down.
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  That's a good friend and I was like respect no, that's stupid
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  and my know I've always I haven't talked to her in years.
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  I'm like that bitch got like she had me.
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  Yes she was like okay hold on. I've been gone a while and your
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  shit is floated up towards the back of your head and we need to
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  like bring it. Down to one of my girlfriends.
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  Like I was like, thank you so much.
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  One of my friends, she had them dark ass eyebrows and I'm like,
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  girl, no one tells her and yeah, and I've Got Friends, I had to
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  tell as a baby girl, that's why there's a brush at the end of
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  yapping. I need you to brush that out.
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  So, well, here's the thing, and this is what I find.
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  So interesting, is that a lot of my brow clients come in and
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  they'll have nobody comes to me because they have good brows,
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  like, they come because I need help.
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  And a lot of women come in and they There are broad I make my
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  clients come in. Ask my clients to come on with
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  the girls put on because I like to see if they've been wearing
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  everyday. What color they're rocking with
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  health State? What they normally wear it so
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  I'm like where your normal makeup.
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  Yeah. Like your everyday going to work
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  so that I can see what you like and sometimes people come in and
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  it's just like that makes no sense for their face but they
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  don't know that. Yeah and so sometimes they'll
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  come in and they're like, girl, I'm like, whoa, talk to me about
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  the shape, is this? What you're wearing every day?
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  And a lot of times they're like, girl.
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  I have no idea. No and they're like, I just do a
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  thing and then This is what happens because so many people's
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  actual brow hair grows against the, their bone structure and
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  grows against their face shape and so if you can kind of like
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  marry those two things, it's a lot more complementary and it's
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  not necessarily about how you look or how you present other
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  people, but it's about the way that you feel.
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  Oh yeah. And you know, and it's not just
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  a woman thing, it's a guy thing to if you get a fresh fucking
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  set of clothes and you got some shiny out sneakers on and you
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  wake up and you're like damn this day is about to be so good.
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  You know how literally what Dusty Sent to us in the chat
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  today. He was like, what are we wearing
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  today? Are we going out?
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  Are we not because this outfit? What was it this time?
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  Do I look like right now? I look like an eight, but this
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  outfit makes me look like a 9.5 read it.
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  I was like Dusty where it always only.
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  I mean, that's my grandma used to always say that.
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  And it's like a typical phrase but like if you look good you
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  feel good. Yes.
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  And it doesn't matter if anybody else thinks that you fucking
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  look good. But if you think you look good.
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  Yes. Like you're on that.
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  You're that bitch and I'll beat that bitch in sweatpants.
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  I'll be back with my Now like this but like I was on point
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  fascism. Yeah, that's me right now.
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  If anything, I'm going with no makeup but my eyebrows are doing
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  my lashes are really. The title is like Emily, you
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  know, I don't have my lashes or I don't have my lashes done and
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  I don't do my eyebrows like like I don't have a microbe later.
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  So it's like I have to put something on me and if you can
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  and also women are busy man, like, oh fuck, yeah, we are, I
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  don't have eyelash. Ashes on or my eyebrows and
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  dude, I'm fucking that's the thing.
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  Is that women aren't just like you know, bacon cookies and
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  hanging out like we're running businesses and we're running we
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  have you know what I mean? Like we're running, families
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  were running, we have businesses, we have businesses,
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  we have careers. We're still taking care of
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  children, were so kind of feed her husband.
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  We're still trying to do all that and and we're all here
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  doing it. You know what I mean?
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  Like and we don't necessarily have time to fuck around and
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  figure out how to draw an eyebrow at 6 a.m.
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  And so, it's really cool to be able to serve, like the working
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  women of Wichita. And then even just like the
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  stay-at-home mom, that look is tired as fuck.
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  And she hasn't slept in three days and she wants to look like,
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  she's not like I got her to. And so that's cool to be like,
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  and just seeing like it's it was another thing that's really fun
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  is that I Workshop called album. Yeah.
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  And it's a very aggressive shop. Yes.
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  I like our email is hell. Bomb 666.
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  At Dot-com it's called hell bomb.
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  Is it isn't like your guys is you guys have a sign right over
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  the counter. What does it say something
• 20:37
  about? I don't know.
• 20:40
  On this was like, no drunks no weapon if you're an asshole,
• 20:42
  take a hike. Yeah.
• 20:43
  That was like that. Yeah.
• 20:45
  And it's, you know, I mean you're like come on bro, step it
• 20:47
  up. Yeah.
• 20:48
  And you know, I was, it's a very traditional shop.
• 20:52
  It's, we make off-color jokes, we talk.
• 20:55
  I like I've heard more like dick and fart jokes in my lifetime
• 20:59
  than anyone ever could being a farts.
• 21:06
  Have to share that lady. It's like it's kind of an
• 21:09
  Subsetting. And what's really cool is that,
• 21:12
  I wasn't sure how it was gonna go over when I decided that I
• 21:15
  wanted to make the move towards permanent makeup.
• 21:16
  Yeah. Because everyone in my shop
• 21:18
  takes like I have so much respect for everyone that works
• 21:20
  at our shop, because everyone takes tattooing so seriously,
• 21:24
  and they're very protective of tattooing becoming diluted and
• 21:29
  not being true to form. Like we kind of live by like a
• 21:33
  death to false tattooing like standard, like, you should
• 21:36
  always hold it to that degree in that.
• 21:39
  Act. So I was like, man.
• 21:40
  I don't know if like this shit's going to be it, and so, like I
• 21:43
  said, I want Steve and I was like, yeah, I kinda want to do
• 21:45
  this. And like, here's why and seems
• 21:46
  like fucking do. It sounds cool.
• 21:47
  Yeah. And it was really fun to watch
• 21:51
  the people in my shop, react to it because there's a weird
• 21:55
  divide because there's people that are permanent makeup
• 21:58
  artists. Most people are only permanent
• 22:00
  makeup artist. They're only trade in that.
• 22:02
  And then you have the people that are tattooers and then you
• 22:04
  have the people like me that kind of ride that middle line.
• 22:06
  Mmm, so, since I'm in traditionally trained tattoo, I
• 22:09
  brought a lot of my techniques of body tattooing into permanent
• 22:13
  makeup which is completely different than the ladies that
• 22:15
  have only learned permanent makeup because they don't have a
• 22:18
  background in tattooing. Yeah, so I'm like I'm pretty
• 22:21
  good like I can shape-shift pretty well to my client like
• 22:24
  I'm not always necessarily like dropping f-bombs and like being
• 22:27
  aggressive. If I have like an 85 year old
• 22:29
  lady on my table, I see sometimes you get these.
• 22:32
  I get these this whole new realm of clientele, so I'll get like,
• 22:36
  little fucking Gladys that's, you know, 85 years.
• 22:39
  Old. She decides to finally get her
• 22:40
  eyebrows tattooed, she walks in the tattoo shop called hell
• 22:43
  boss. You know what I mean?
• 22:46
  That she would never have gone to.
• 22:48
  Yeah, I grew up in like the sailors and Whores era of
• 22:51
  tattooing. Yeah.
• 22:52
  She walks in our shop and says tattoo my face.
• 22:54
  Like that's fucking rad. I do is so cool.
• 22:57
  Yeah. And these are really
• 22:58
  dismantling, a lot of girls and they come with like their
• 23:00
  handbags like clutched. Oh so nervous.
• 23:04
  And I think I am kind of like a good transition into that world
• 23:08
  because like Um, Basics fog like I'm super like, you know, I'm a
• 23:12
  mom, like, I'm not that cool. I'm not like tough biker.
• 23:15
  Guy tattooer, you're a freaking cool.
• 23:17
  So, and so, when they meet me, you know, and like after I like
• 23:21
  kind of talk them through it like I'm really big on
• 23:23
  communicating with my clients like they get to the point where
• 23:25
  they're chill and the next thing I know, 85 year old, glad this
• 23:28
  is like telling me about the first time she ever smoked weed
• 23:31
  and how she had a threesome in like 1975, you know what I mean?
• 23:40
  They've never had like, a lot of this woman have never had that
• 23:42
  outlet. Oh yeah, mix.
• 23:44
  Because they've been like raising that generation.
• 23:46
  Like I have clients and sheltered.
• 23:48
  I have clients honestly, older women clients that will that
• 23:51
  have always wanted to get tattooed since like, the 40s and
• 23:54
  the 50s and they wait for their husbands to die and then they
• 23:59
  come get tattooed. And it's so cool because they're
• 24:02
  like, they'll be 90 years old. Like the oldest client ever
• 24:05
  taught you was 94. Wow.
• 24:07
  And she said, I have Always since tattooing started to
• 24:11
  happen. Yeah.
• 24:12
  On the sailors. You know, my granddad was a
• 24:14
  sailor and you know this year and blah blah blah.
• 24:17
  And my uncle is a CB and I used to like I grew up and I saw
• 24:20
  these beautiful tattoos and I always wanted when I always
• 24:22
  resonated with me, but my husband was against it and
• 24:25
  that's a generation where you followed what your partner's.
• 24:27
  Yeah. They weren't like us.
• 24:29
  Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 24:30
  They just weren't and that's nothing against them.
• 24:32
  That's just how they were raised.
• 24:33
  Yeah. That was a generation thing then
• 24:35
  yeah, I don't know. Since tattooing was so taboo.
• 24:37
  They weren't gonna like pop off and Go do that shit.
• 24:40
  Oh my God. Saturday and also, it wasn't as
• 24:42
  accessible. Yeah, that has your it's now and
• 24:45
  so they are done and then they come, they're like, well, he's
• 24:49
  dead now and I spent six years with them.
• 24:51
  So fucking put up some flour on my ankle and White Rock, and
• 24:53
  Roll lady. Let's do it.
• 24:55
  And so, and it's cool. It's so cool.
• 24:57
  And I do have a lot of older women clients that come in to
• 24:59
  get permanent makeup, um, but end up finding out that it's
• 25:02
  actually chill and it's not that scary.
• 25:05
  Yeah. Who will later come get?
• 25:06
  Tattooed. Oh, that's also.
• 25:07
  That's super cool. Yeah.
• 25:09
  You really start to develop these relationships and help
• 25:13
  help someone come out of their shell and time like
• 25:19
  non-aggressive way. Yeah, right.
• 25:20
  Because they grew up it differently. 100%, we're talking
• 25:23
  about different societal standards at that time, and why?
• 25:27
  Like, that's incredible. It's also a really cool Gateway
• 25:29
  because there's a lot of women that will come for permanent
• 25:31
  makeup Services who would have never considered getting
• 25:34
  tattooed because it's like so out of their realm and then they
• 25:38
  like, we'll get there. There and they'll see like we
• 25:40
  had this one lady that we always joke about and she like, came in
• 25:43
  this like gorgeous. I'm in stunning.
• 25:45
  Blonde. Like you can tell, this is like
• 25:46
  the most high-maintenance lady in the world, right?
• 25:48
  Yeah. She comes on her heels and she
• 25:50
  pulls up in this Mercedes and she like overly has like some
• 25:53
  old money bitch. And I like some new McCulloch.
• 25:56
  Hey, I'm not judging I'm jealous.
• 25:59
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:59
  It's like okay, I wish she should but she shows up and
• 26:02
  she's got this like giant fucking Louis bag and she likes
• 26:04
  it sit on the counter and she like looks around.
• 26:05
  She goes, you know, it's not as dirty.
• 26:09
  In here as I expected and like that should be offensive as fuck
• 26:14
  and I was like cool. Like yeah I come by, come on
• 26:17
  that click, let's do the pink but it just opens it up.
• 26:19
  You know, Joe to an entirely new clientele and they get to be in
• 26:23
  the shop and they get to like experience.
• 26:24
  Like we have a lot of really good camaraderie in the shop
• 26:26
  like yappin and we're always a shit and and yeah and they get
• 26:30
  to like come in and be a part of that and like jump it on that
• 26:33
  and it's a thing that I think a lot of people wouldn't
• 26:35
  experience if they weren't there to receive permanent makeup
• 26:38
  service. Yeah.
• 26:39
  Yeah, I think that's so cool. Again, like your you guys are
• 26:41
  really breaking a lot of those stereotypes, even though like
• 26:45
  we're talking, we're in 2022. Almost 2023.
• 26:47
  We know the stereotypes aren't as prevalent, but we all have a
• 26:51
  family member where it's hard to make those connections.
• 26:54
  Yeah, title of conversation with and now you're breaking that
• 27:00
  cycle without even knowing it. So now they go back home and now
• 27:04
  the way that they're confident well, that too, but also the way
• 27:07
  that they're conversating with her there.
• 27:09
  Pieces are, you know, their grandkids, totally.
• 27:11
  It's now has changed all on there and now we're talking
• 27:15
  about generational breakage like, that's what you're doing.
• 27:18
  Yeah, I do. See several like all have
• 27:21
  luckily. Like I was, I was completely
• 27:23
  blessed with what ended up being a large clientele.
• 27:27
  And a lot of that is from staying put because like, I
• 27:29
  talked about earlier, like I had developed a relationship with a
• 27:31
  lot of our clients artists at large.
• 27:33
  So, when I started tattooing, I had no problem getting people
• 27:36
  because everyone knew me from six years of working toner.
• 27:39
  As soon as I started tattooing every was like why you're
• 27:41
  tattooing all do that? And I'm like cool.
• 27:42
  This is gonna look like shit, but let's do it.
• 27:44
  And then I didn't win. But they would always do it
• 27:47
  because they were used to working with me.
• 27:49
  Yeah. And then that parlayed into like
• 27:51
  a small, like tattooing career. And then luckily, like, when I
• 27:54
  made the move to hell bomb, I was close and like the people at
• 27:57
  Arts, large were cool about my move.
• 27:59
  So like, if somebody went in there looking for me, they would
• 28:01
  still send them to Hell bone. So it wasn't hard to, I didn't
• 28:04
  lose anybody. And then I had, that is so
• 28:08
  because I touch it for six. Before I start doing permanent
• 28:10
  makeup. So I had that established
• 28:11
  clientele. And then when I started doing
• 28:13
  permanent makeup, then a lot of my tattoo clients were my first
• 28:15
  permanent makeup points because they were down for me to like,
• 28:18
  learn. You know what I mean?
• 28:19
  They're like, well, you've done 30 hours of tattooing on me.
• 28:22
  You can probably tattoo my face. Yeah, I'd be like, bitch.
• 28:25
  I don't know. We'll find out.
• 28:27
  Like, let's see. And so I like outlines.
• 28:30
  Yeah. But what's cool?
• 28:32
  Yeah, exactly is that. I have a lot of those clients.
• 28:36
  Bring me their moms, they bring me their grammar.
• 28:39
  You know what I mean? And that's so cool because then
• 28:41
  we'll have like these little days where it's like you know
• 28:44
  Mom gets eyebrows daughter, gets eyebrows, grandma, gets
• 28:46
  eyebrows, grandma, would have never been in the shop.
• 28:48
  Mom would have never been in the shop and then they get in there
• 28:50
  and they go, oh, it'd be cool if we all get matching tattoos and
• 28:53
  like, it's this really neat thing that they can do together.
• 28:57
  And for whatever reason, like that with permanent Cosmetics,
• 29:00
  it's just more acceptable than body touchings, but it once
• 29:04
  women of that generation get their permanent makeup and they
• 29:08
  feel that Mission of themselves and their self-image.
• 29:12
  Then they go. I feel like it makes them
• 29:14
  understand traditional tattooing a little bit more because they
• 29:17
  go. Okay, well, maybe all those
• 29:19
  tattoos that my granddaughter has that I've always hated make
• 29:21
  her feel better about herself the way that my eyebrows did.
• 29:24
  And so, they like, kind of Chill on that.
• 29:26
  Yeah, which is super cool. It is because now they get to
• 29:29
  develop a deeper relationship. Like she might still be like a
• 29:33
  low-key racist but she's probably likes tattoos for now
• 29:37
  and again. But sir, your lips are like a
• 29:40
  bird. Yeah.
• 29:42
  But you're starting to break that though, you know, little
• 29:44
  bum and I find little and that's hard.
• 29:47
  You know what I mean? Like, like sometimes when your
• 29:50
  family set in their ways, that's a tough that is true.
• 29:53
  When I, I was the first one in my family to have my eyebrows
• 29:56
  done. Yeah.
• 29:57
  And they gave me so much shit, but we're sure.
• 30:00
  Yeah. They gave me so much shit about
• 30:01
  their like, this is permanent on your face.
• 30:03
  Like, why would you do this like this, right?
• 30:05
  You know, and I was like cuz I want to do this.
• 30:06
  It makes me feel good. It makes me like I am.
• 30:08
  This is Yeah, and what happens they all did it.
• 30:12
  They are didn't see what school is like.
• 30:16
  I also see like in workplaces and stuff, like it's easy to
• 30:19
  like like all. Do one girls eyebrows in a
• 30:21
  workplace and especially like salons around here because I
• 30:23
  touched on a lot of like beauty industry women.
• 30:26
  I'll do one ladies eyebrows and then I'll get six girls from
• 30:29
  their Salon based on that. But what's funny is like the
• 30:33
  first one is like the wild one at the shot because you know,
• 30:36
  first and see what happens. But then like six people through
• 30:41
  the salon later, I'm like, mapping her brows for two hours
• 30:44
  because she's not sure. Yeah, you know what I mean like?
• 30:46
  And so it's really cool because you can see it like work its
• 30:49
  way. But I mean I've just it's just
• 30:51
  been a really cool thing to like it made sense like it just
• 30:56
  falling into that. It made sense.
• 30:58
  And I also have like a lot of people that come in that will
• 31:01
  double up on services. Like they'll be like hey while
• 31:03
  I'm here, getting my eyebrow touch-up.
• 31:04
  Can I get a small tattoo? I'm like yeah, yeah yeah.
• 31:06
  So it's also like just from a business standpoint It's a
• 31:09
  really good upsell, right? Right.
• 31:10
  Pain is beauty, dude. You just got to fucking do it.
• 31:12
  Yeah, and it's a I just think it's awesome.
• 31:16
  I love the way that you're describing it though.
• 31:19
  You know, to your point. It's not while it is for sure a
• 31:23
  business part. Right.
• 31:24
  It's like yeah I know it has to be.
• 31:27
  Yeah but like you're coming from the other perspective like
• 31:30
  that's the first thing that it is and it has always been like
• 31:33
  that from your story from the beginning to.
• 31:34
  Now you're talking about how you had a I don't want to say trust
• 31:40
  even though if that was it it's more of like a lot of honour
• 31:45
  that you gave to tattooing a lot of like respect that I
• 31:48
  definitely had some too. Yeah, and now like you're
• 31:51
  bringing that in here and you're uncovering so much more that is
• 31:54
  again helping break you. We're talking about generational
• 31:58
  Cycles like that. I mean, you know, like we always
• 32:01
  have that much credit. No, but I mean it's cool.
• 32:04
  It's cool to see. It is cool.
• 32:05
  Because like, I think I'd really like to highlight that because I
• 32:09
  think you are without knowing it.
• 32:11
  Yeah. And now it's like it for you.
• 32:14
  It's like, yeah, it's really cool because I get to continue
• 32:16
  and help and work with someone to help them, feel encouraged
• 32:19
  and Enlighten and loved and beautiful.
• 32:23
  All these things that were talking about self image.
• 32:26
  But then now the relationships, all these, you're talking about
• 32:30
  these Mutual Cycles. I just continued to go.
• 32:33
  I mean, they're honestly like like I said earlier, like most
• 32:36
  of my clients are my friends. Yeah.
• 32:38
  Like and that Is from like they were clients first and now
• 32:40
  they're my friends and that's so cheesy and like Hallmark card,
• 32:44
  but it's really like it. Just.
• 32:45
  Yeah. And I feel like tattooing is
• 32:47
  such a there, such a personal connection whenever you tattoo
• 32:50
  someone and and it's not always, sometimes it's just silly.
• 32:53
  Like sometimes you want to come in and get a goldfish tattooed
• 32:55
  on your ass and that's rad, I love that.
• 32:57
  Yeah. It's not always SpongeBob.
• 33:00
  Yeah, it won't. I want to a lien on my ass.
• 33:02
  I'll do it. Well, you know it's not always
• 33:06
  like as deep as everyone makes it.
• 33:09
  Sometimes it is no and when you have those claims like, even if
• 33:12
  like that, sometimes it's that steep as just the conversation
• 33:15
  total. You know what I mean?
• 33:16
  Like it could be a freaking cool asset to doesn't the tattoo
• 33:19
  thing with no meaning. Yeah, that's a to doesn't have
• 33:22
  meaning, but it's the relationship that you develop
• 33:24
  totally. That's and then, especially when
• 33:26
  like, you know, I've been humbled a lot recently, getting
• 33:29
  to work with breast cancer survivors and not just breast
• 33:33
  cancer, but it's mostly unfortunately, because it
• 33:35
  affects so many women but cancer survivors in general and I've
• 33:38
  gotten to Are their stories and I've gotten to hear them say,
• 33:41
  you know, it's two years ago or six months ago, I thought I was
• 33:44
  going to die. And then here, they're doing
• 33:46
  this, like special thing for themselves where the only time
• 33:50
  that you would try and make yourself feel better, or do
• 33:54
  something permanent to your body.
• 33:55
  Is if you knew you were gonna fucking be around for a while.
• 33:58
  Yeah. And so sometimes like that's
• 34:01
  that last step for women to come in and it's just like Fanny.
• 34:05
  I know that you're passionate about areola restoration because
• 34:07
  yeah, how we met that? Yeah, that's exactly how we map.
• 34:10
  Which I was so impressed by you because it was like, a lot of
• 34:13
  times people come in and they're like, I just want to talk to I
• 34:15
  just want to, you know, and I just want to like do pictures on
• 34:17
  people. I'm like, I don't have an art
• 34:18
  portfolio or whatever and you came in and you said, I want to
• 34:20
  do this because this is special and that was one of the reasons
• 34:25
  that I have always had so much respect for you because I always
• 34:28
  I always liked her because I was like she's just such an amazing
• 34:31
  person. Know it's true though because
• 34:33
  because you were onto something and you still are because that
• 34:37
  specific Procedure is so sensitive and it's so special
• 34:42
  and not a lot of people do it, and there's almost no one that
• 34:45
  does it here. And a lot of times, there's it's
• 34:49
  at its being tattooed at the hands of a surgeon.
• 34:51
  It doesn't have like an art background or like a plan.
• 34:55
  It's like done in a very sterile medical fashion and like you can
• 34:59
  tattoo a nipple on some of you and like do the circles.
• 35:01
  Yeah. And do nothing but you're not
• 35:03
  coming at it from the Viewpoint of an artist.
• 35:05
  Yeah. Like I would have Dawn do that.
• 35:07
  Yeah for I had like Someone at, you know, one of the plastic
• 35:10
  surgery office is do it. Yeah.
• 35:11
  Because like you can see that and you can visualize it and
• 35:14
  when you brought that in your like I'm doing this project, I
• 35:16
  want to do this thing, I was like fuck yes Graham let's do
• 35:19
  it. Because that's so cool and I
• 35:21
  have been so I don't do that yet.
• 35:23
  I'm planning on doing it eventually.
• 35:25
  I know I'm excited for his. You helped me out a lot when
• 35:28
  that when I was working towards all of that because a lot of
• 35:31
  that stems from my mom. Of course, my mom was the one
• 35:33
  who shared all of that experience with me.
• 35:36
  Yeah. And to your point, it is such a
• 35:39
  Sacred thing, and it's personal because again from the patient
• 35:43
  side of it, they're already in hospitals.
• 35:46
  There are ready always getting picked out all of that.
• 35:50
  All that experience is already traumatizing, sure.
• 35:52
  So, when you're helping restore something well, and that that
• 35:56
  wasn't something that they can't aerial attaching specifically.
• 35:58
  So, I have to shout out to one of my very best friends and my
• 36:02
  mentor in the industry of permanent makeup, Cara
• 36:04
  Gutierrez, but she's at spot on beauty and Lee's Summit
• 36:07
  Missouri. I'm right outside of Kansas
• 36:09
  City. As she retrained me on a lot of
• 36:12
  permanent makeup Services because I was taught from the
• 36:15
  perspective of people that only do primitive a cup.
• 36:17
  Which like I said earlier is very different, so the
• 36:19
  techniques didn't really click in my brain.
• 36:21
  I'm like, why couldn't I just, you know, instead of using a
• 36:23
  four flat on somebody's eyeliner, why can't I just use
• 36:26
  an eighth? Round Shader and do it the way
• 36:27
  that I would do a tattoo on their forehead, you know?
• 36:31
  And I'm looking at John, because I know you understand like the
• 36:34
  technical Parts. But coming from a tattoo
• 36:37
  background, she was my Because she was a traditionally trained
• 36:40
  tattoo artist, first and then became like a really prolific
• 36:43
  permanent makeup. So like I would hit her up and
• 36:45
  be like, you know, could I just use like a 13 curved mag on this
• 36:47
  lady's lips instead of trying to use a tight 3 and like do 30
• 36:51
  passes on her? And she's like, Fuck.
• 36:52
  Yeah. Do it.
• 36:53
  And I'll be like, ok, cool. And so I went up and retrain
• 36:56
  with Karen. She and I just became really
• 36:57
  good friends. She has a non-profit through
• 37:01
  spot on beauty where she raises money for.
• 37:03
  She does aerial arrested for restoration.
• 37:05
  That's like her biggest service. Yeah, her nonprofit.
• 37:08
  They do a fundraiser every year and they put all that money into
• 37:11
  the nonprofit so that when women want to come to her for that,
• 37:16
  they pay for their service and they pay for their travel.
• 37:20
  And so if someone's in, you know, New Hampshire and they
• 37:23
  want to come to Kara, to get their areolas done, she'll
• 37:25
  fucking pay for it. Wow, that's so, and show.
• 37:28
  Even like, and they'll even like let like their partner come.
• 37:31
  Wow, that's pretty whatever they have that emotional support.
• 37:33
  So I began working with Cara and kind of seeing that.
• 37:35
  She, I have worked several conventions together.
• 37:37
  Yeah, and Will do areola of restoration and I've done, I've
• 37:41
  worked some like tattooed at some of her fundraisers and
• 37:43
  that's a little breast cancer. I do for my mom to as well,
• 37:46
  because she had to get surgically removed because they
• 37:50
  found like a like a, what's it called?
• 37:54
  Like a lump? Yes.
• 37:56
  Yeah. And you know such a lot back to
• 37:58
  me. Yeah.
• 37:58
  So her Ariel is not look the same sure.
• 38:01
  So I've been, you know, I've been wanting to find.
• 38:04
  Someone could do that for her to say it's huge.
• 38:07
  And yeah, the The thing is, is that with breast cancer.
• 38:11
  So I got to work with Kara several times and I've seen her
• 38:15
  work on survivors and the thing about areola restoration that I
• 38:19
  think is so special. Is that that's the last thing?
• 38:22
  Yeah like that is the button that that seals up all of this
• 38:26
  fucking horrible. Like trauma that a woman has
• 38:30
  been through. We're man has been through.
• 38:32
  Yeah. And they go through their
• 38:36
  diagnosis. They go through being sick
• 38:37
  before. Diagnosis they go Through their
• 38:40
  deconstructive surgery. They go through their
• 38:42
  reconstructive surgery and you can't tattoo an areola until all
• 38:46
  of that is over. Yeah, so for them, when they
• 38:48
  look in the mirror, the last reminder that they have of this
• 38:51
  horrible battle that they've been through, is the fact that
• 38:55
  they're, you know, they're not how they were, and it's also
• 38:58
  difficult for their partners because their Partners, watch
• 39:01
  them go through that and they're like their Partners have
• 39:03
  supported them through that. And now, you're looking at a
• 39:05
  person who doesn't look like they did before this and it's A
• 39:08
  constant reminder, you know? And so to me like being able to
• 39:12
  give that back to someone, like I can't imagine something that
• 39:17
  is more important than that. Yeah, and I've seen there is a
• 39:20
  biggest prize in its gigantic. Yeah.
• 39:23
  And that comes from tattooing, and that comes from like my love
• 39:28
  for tattooing and the way that it makes someone feel like, you
• 39:32
  know, if you can't like a cheeseburger tattooed on your
• 39:35
  thigh and that shit makes you laugh, you know what I mean?
• 39:39
  Yeah, that's so cool to me and if it goes deeper than that and
• 39:43
  you're getting, you know, your Aerials restored because you
• 39:46
  went throughout the to me, that's this.
• 39:48
  It's not on the same level but the mental game is the same.
• 39:51
  Yeah. And so, like, if you can look at
• 39:54
  that and it's like and to me, it's so silly.
• 39:56
  It's like I draw pictures on people all day.
• 39:58
  Like, that's like when you look at that, it's like that is, this
• 40:02
  is the silliest job but when you can, you use it in a way like
• 40:06
  that? Like it's gigantic.
• 40:08
  Yeah. And we had a.
• 40:10
  So that's that's the thing that I really, really want to get get
• 40:12
  into. And right now I'm just like,
• 40:14
  dipping my toes in that and excite.
• 40:16
  And when I do it all day, like I'll be training with Kara but
• 40:20
  she and I have worked together on several projects and she
• 40:24
  works inside hospitals to like she has her place.
• 40:26
  So she's able to go to to the hospital and do it post-op.
• 40:31
  Oh so when and that's one of the things that I really want to
• 40:34
  work towards in Wichita because we don't have that service here
• 40:37
  now I agree and it like Honestly, the fact that she is
• 40:42
  holding fundraisers to help these, people also even get to
• 40:45
  this location and have up their partner come with them.
• 40:47
  That's the only reason that my mom was able to extend her life
• 40:50
  as much as she did at that time. When we found the hospital that
• 40:54
  we did. Several other specialty
• 40:56
  hospitals, we had gone through so many had already told us at
• 41:01
  that time that she was nearing the end of her life and it was
• 41:06
  either going to be cancer or heart attack.
• 41:08
  Sure. And And so, when we found the
• 41:10
  other hospital that we went to, they paid for travel and that
• 41:15
  was a lot of the times, like that is what it comes down to
• 41:18
  it. So special.
• 41:19
  Yeah, and well, you also have to look at like with the areola
• 41:22
  restoration or sometimes even with brows like the Brows can be
• 41:27
  sometimes just as important because the browser, you know,
• 41:30
  that words exhibit, somebody sees all the time and if you
• 41:32
  lost your brows to chemo or radiation, and that happens with
• 41:35
  that is also a constant reminder in the mirror, but that's also
• 41:38
  Something that everyone sees, whereas like with, areola
• 41:41
  Restorations, just you and like maybe your partner, maybe like
• 41:44
  close family. Yeah.
• 41:46
  So to me, it's like kind of the same and the people that go
• 41:51
  through these treatments and at that point, they're fucking
• 41:54
  tapped on money. Yeah, exactly.
• 41:58
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for me, like, I know that
• 42:02
  when I am able to provide areola services like it's going to be
• 42:06
  at no cost. Oh yeah.
• 42:07
  Like because and I don't know if It will be via setting up like
• 42:09
  nonprofit. I know that sometimes if you
• 42:12
  work inside of a hospital setting, you can build it
• 42:14
  insurance which is cool because that kind of takes the pressure
• 42:16
  off. But like I can't imagine a
• 42:21
  situation where I would feel good about charging for that
• 42:24
  service because at that point like they've been through so
• 42:28
  much shit. Yeah and a lot of times you're
• 42:30
  traveling to dr. So yeah, you know, like your
• 42:33
  mom, you're missing work, you have children relying on you and
• 42:36
  your family relying on you. And unfortunately the way Our
• 42:38
  country is setup, doesn't support people that go through
• 42:41
  chronic illness. Yeah.
• 42:42
  And they just, don't my sister, she passed away.
• 42:46
  I think she passed away. Six years ago with her cancer to
• 42:48
  as well. I'm so sorry.
• 42:50
  Thank you, she lived a great life.
• 42:52
  That's that. What keeps me?
• 42:53
  How do you know? She lived a great life, I have
• 42:55
  everything what she she wanted before my sister passed away,
• 42:59
  she wanted. My sister was young, she was
• 43:02
  like like two years younger than me and she's have long
• 43:08
  beautiful. Careful hair, long hair and she
• 43:11
  was like, when she lost all that because the chemo, you know, she
• 43:14
  was like I need eyebrows and I was like, you know what?
• 43:18
  I'll pay you to get your eyebrows done.
• 43:20
  Like I, I would do that for you. I'll find anybody to do it for
• 43:23
  you, right? Like they're on October, I found
• 43:28
  someone to do it and I was like, hey, I need this ASAP because I
• 43:30
  know for sure. My sister is not going to last a
• 43:32
  lot longer. So the lady goes yeah, I'll get
• 43:35
  her in at this state within like my Passed away two weeks before
• 43:40
  her surgery for her tattoos for her brows.
• 43:43
  But while I was, so when my sister passed away, we're
• 43:47
  getting her ready to, you know, for her funeral and everything
• 43:49
  like that. I was like, okay, I'm going to
• 43:53
  draw my sister's eyebrows for her.
• 43:54
  Girl, I did. So I drew her eyebrows and it
• 43:58
  looked fucking just kiss and like I feel like, you know, I
• 44:03
  still have some guilt like man, I wish I could have got hurried
• 44:06
  it sooner, but the same time like I'm I'm happy, you did what
• 44:09
  you could? I did.
• 44:10
  What I had to do for her. Yeah, well and that's it's
• 44:13
  interesting that you've had that experience because one of my
• 44:15
  first like tastes of that world, I'm going to permanent makeup
• 44:20
  just like honestly, like everything I do is a business
• 44:22
  move first. Yeah, because I am a mother and
• 44:26
  my husband is chronically ill and he is like, mostly unable to
• 44:29
  work, so he stays home with her kids.
• 44:31
  So like I have to support a household of four, like, that's
• 44:33
  first and foremost. Yeah, and I would love to sit
• 44:35
  here and say that like my love for tattooing is first, but it's
• 44:37
  not my Love for my family as first.
• 44:40
  So everything I do is business move.
• 44:42
  So getting into permanent makeup was like bitches.
• 44:44
  One browser would give them browse and I'm gonna make like a
• 44:48
  lot of money doing. And then that like once you kind
• 44:53
  of step into that world, you know, you realize that it's a
• 44:55
  lot deeper than that. And I had this gal, her name was
• 44:58
  Marjorie and her son is a. His name is Dale black.
• 45:04
  It'd be so cool. If you heard this because the
• 45:05
  story, I don't even know if he knows how special this is.
• 45:07
  His mom. Was to me and how special this
• 45:09
  story is. But I was working a Saturday.
• 45:12
  I'm like be-bopping around making stupid jokes being an
• 45:14
  idiot and this couple came or not couple that this younger guy
• 45:19
  and older woman come in in the woman's in a wheelchair.
• 45:23
  And he he says hey this is my mom.
• 45:27
  My mom's, my mom was at the nail salon and there was lady next to
• 45:30
  her and they were talking about getting their brows tattooed.
• 45:33
  And my mom had her eyebrows tattooed a long time ago.
• 45:35
  And they've turned pink. Yeah, just the thing that can
• 45:37
  happen Fades. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:38
  Not always but yeah, it's done, right?
• 45:40
  It doesn't but sometimes it does because mine doesn't fade.
• 45:43
  Yeah, exactly. So, but it's a thing that
• 45:46
  happens. Yeah.
• 45:47
  She's a dark skinned Lady. It's of the pink was really like
• 45:50
  bright and obvious. There's a lot of contrast in her
• 45:52
  skin. She was self-conscious about it.
• 45:53
  She'd been penciling all the time right, right.
• 45:55
  So she did her son had obviously helped her into the shop and he
• 45:59
  says you know, my tells me the story and I was like oh yeah
• 46:03
  like no problem. I'll get your eyebrows done girl
• 46:05
  like what do you got? And I like kind of chucked her
• 46:07
  out and she's like this precious little Old lady.
• 46:09
  And I'm like, yeah, I got you, like, I'll do this for you.
• 46:13
  Mmm. And at the time I was booking in
• 46:15
  year out. Mm-hmm.
• 46:17
  And which I've scaled back now where I'm like, only booking a
• 46:19
  couple months at a time because I got to where I was over a year
• 46:22
  and I was like, I can't function her plan, this is weird and I
• 46:25
  work like 40 to 50 hours a week. So I'm not talking about being
• 46:28
  booked a year out, one tattoo a day.
• 46:30
  Like this is full-time like grinding.
• 46:32
  Yeah, always, yeah. And Roxy.
• 46:34
  Yeah, yeah. Thank you.
• 46:36
  But I was like kind of getting overwhelmed by Being that far
• 46:40
  out because you can't, you can't plan anything, and especially as
• 46:42
  a mom, like, my kids will have like a choir concert that we
• 46:45
  know about seven days in advance.
• 46:46
  When I woke up, I got a 10 hour day that day.
• 46:48
  Yeah. And then I don't have anywhere
• 46:50
  to put clients. Yeah, so I end up just looking
• 46:52
  too much time. Anyway, at that point I was
• 46:53
  about a year out so I tell her you know, I looked and I had
• 46:56
  actually had a cancellation that was like three months later
• 46:59
  former now four months later maybe.
• 47:01
  So I say to her. Yeah, I'd be happy to do this
• 47:02
  for you. I think my next opening is this
• 47:05
  date four months out and she was so kind and she Is like, oh,
• 47:09
  honey. And she like kind of did the old
• 47:11
  lady like, like slap, you know? Yeah, she said, I am so proud of
• 47:15
  your success and this is the first time I've ever met her and
• 47:18
  she said that is just so great for you, but I don't know that
• 47:22
  I'll be here then and I was like, like are you moving?
• 47:27
  Because this Saturday and I was like, woah and she turns out she
• 47:34
  had terminal cancer. Hmm.
• 47:35
  And she was just riding it out and she Told me that she and she
• 47:40
  was so sweet because, you know, so many clients, get that her
• 47:43
  and like you Dad, where it's like, oh you're you're out.
• 47:46
  I'm not going to fucking wait for that and you're like okay
• 47:47
  and this lady was like she needed it by a certain time.
• 47:51
  Yeah. For the most serious reason you
• 47:54
  could need a tattoo. Yeah.
• 47:56
  And she said she told me that she just wanted to look like
• 48:01
  herself in her casket. Wow.
• 48:05
  Because she Drew her brows on and she was like I don't know if
• 48:08
  the The funeral home will make me look like myself.
• 48:11
  Yeah, that is true and she wanted an open casket funeral.
• 48:15
  And you know, they were obviously like from a religious
• 48:19
  background, she was going to do the big funeral thing and she
• 48:21
  wanted to look like who she was and so I was like, come in
• 48:24
  Sunday, let's do this. So her son Dale, brought her in
• 48:30
  the first session and I'm in this precious lady she could
• 48:33
  barely she couldn't get on the table by herself.
• 48:35
  Like he was like picking her out of her chair and putting her on
• 48:38
  my table. So I'm like shook you know what
• 48:40
  I mean? Because like all like for like
• 48:43
  days before that I my God like this is going to be so heavy and
• 48:47
  like such a big deal and so I did our first session and I told
• 48:50
  her this is a color correction which with like if you guys came
• 48:53
  in and need a car crash, I'm Doug.
• 48:54
  We need three sessions, six weeks apart.
• 48:57
  This is going to be a whole thing but for her I was like,
• 49:00
  we're going to rock these out. We're going to try and like, do
• 49:02
  our best to get you to this point because I think we, we
• 49:04
  were on borrowed time. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:06
  And so, we did our first session and then She was scheduled for a
• 49:11
  second session and her son ended up, hitting me up and saying
• 49:14
  that his mom had taken a turn and was like, put into the
• 49:16
  hospital before the second session.
• 49:19
  And anyway, she ended up passing away before we do the second
• 49:21
  session. So I never saw her again.
• 49:23
  Like, it was the only interaction that we ever had but
• 49:27
  he her son had reached out to me to let me know that she had died
• 49:32
  and just that part of it, I was like, I spent an hour and a half
• 49:37
  with this woman out of like Her entire life.
• 49:40
  And for the fact, like the fact that I was like on the call list
• 49:44
  to let know that she had passed away shit and it know you're
• 49:47
  fine, but it wasn't like a we were already past her
• 49:50
  appointment. Like it wasn't we're letting you
• 49:52
  know that you're not going to like to lose your time.
• 49:55
  It was just like they included me.
• 49:58
  Yeah. On a list of like the most
• 50:00
  important people in their lives to let me know that she had
• 50:03
  passed just because like I tattooed her fucking eyebrows.
• 50:07
  Like that's so wild. Mmm.
• 50:09
  And that was like the first taste that I got of that where I
• 50:13
  was like shit. This is like a big deal and it's
• 50:17
  so crazy that you said that you put your sisters eyebrows on
• 50:21
  because I offered to come really.
• 50:24
  I was like I will come to the funeral home and I will put your
• 50:28
  mom's eyebrows on. Yeah.
• 50:30
  And I will make her look like herself.
• 50:32
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 50:33
  And fortunately, the first session that we did had held.
• 50:38
  Okay. That's good.
• 50:39
  So it was close enough. The the people that were doing
• 50:42
  her makeup for her service. Yeah.
• 50:44
  Could just kind of Follow that. Yeah.
• 50:46
  But I was ready for it. Yeah, you know, I was like this
• 50:49
  is gonna be the weirdest shit out because you know how she
• 50:52
  wants it because I know how she wants.
• 50:53
  Yes. And I know how my sister wants
• 50:55
  to look. So I'm like and that's your
• 50:57
  sister guess like that and I don't know this lady you know
• 51:00
  like this is just like so this wait that's a great Bond.
• 51:03
  Yes no no the I mean it is yeah but the weight of what you did
• 51:08
  for your Sister like that's gigantic because like, that's
• 51:11
  your sister man. Like, that's way different.
• 51:14
  And just I'm just telling you like, especially that story like
• 51:17
  a to like tie into like what all of that like kind of represents
• 51:20
  for me, but like fuck. Yeah, dude you did.
• 51:22
  That's amazing. So like with any, you know, when
• 51:26
  we first heard about it, the doctor said three years for her.
• 51:29
  Sure she ride it out 28. That's what she did.
• 51:32
  She write it out to eight and eight years.
• 51:36
  Damn, that's amazing. Good for her and You know my
• 51:40
  sister. She told me she's like I don't
• 51:42
  want people to feel sad for me. You don't feel, you know, be
• 51:45
  cautious about me. He's like I'm gonna do what I
• 51:48
  want to do and she fucking did it.
• 51:50
  We took her to Disney World. We took her to all these places
• 51:53
  you know? Because it doesn't matter a if
• 51:56
  you're going to leave it's the it's the memories because like
• 52:00
  we had, we did this together. Well, you know, you know, and
• 52:04
  I've always been of the opinion that the only people that hurt
• 52:06
  when someone passes are the people that are left.
• 52:08
  Yep. You know what I mean?
• 52:09
  Yeah. Like your mom is not upset.
• 52:12
  Your sister's not upset. Yeah, not correct.
• 52:14
  It's just it's just us. It's for selfish reasons because
• 52:17
  we want to keep them here. Yeah.
• 52:18
  Oh yeah, that whole experience was definitely tough.
• 52:23
  Yeah, I will say that I do. This is a great platform
• 52:30
  especially with you two girls, like sharing your experiences
• 52:33
  and your story with me that I do.
• 52:38
  I've never. Posted about this or said,
• 52:43
  anything publicly about it. It's a thing that I just sort of
• 52:47
  do but I have enough brow clients that end up.
• 52:51
  I have to review a medical history to do brows that.
• 52:54
  We don't normally have to do, hmm.
• 52:56
  And they will always list at one of my questions is, if you've
• 52:59
  been through cancer treatment or radiation.
• 53:01
  Yeah. And because it affects their
• 53:03
  skin so much and I need to know where they're at because also,
• 53:05
  if you're an active treatment, there's things that I can and
• 53:08
  can't do because of secondary infection.
• 53:10
  Even things like that and being your skin and your immune system
• 53:13
  are already compromised, like the It kind of sometimes damage
• 53:16
  got hot. Yeah, so I and this, I'm
• 53:21
  hesitant to even ever say like publicly, but I will because it
• 53:25
  seems like the appropriate time and platform with you girls.
• 53:29
  But I once a month, if I have someone that has checked that
• 53:32
  they've been through cancer radiation treatment I just do
• 53:36
  their service. And then at the end, I calmed
• 53:38
  their brows. So That is definitely a thing
• 53:42
  that like I haven't wanted to necessarily be public about
• 53:45
  because I'm also like the cynic in me is kind of scared of
• 53:49
  people taking advantage of 3, right?
• 53:50
  Yeah. But it is also something that I
• 53:52
  would like to sort of make known.
• 53:54
  Because if I do have clients that have friends or loved ones,
• 53:58
  that are going through cancer treatment, I would like for them
• 54:01
  to be able to reach out and you say, hey my girlfriend's going
• 54:05
  through this or she just beat the shit out of this and she
• 54:09
  wants to get her eyebrows done. And it's just like kind of a fun
• 54:12
  thing I do and I'll usually just do the whole service and they
• 54:15
  will come in and they'll agree to pay like a trip $600 for
• 54:18
  brows. It's a, it's an expense.
• 54:20
  Oh yeah, it's it's not. Yeah, keep and do not and don't
• 54:25
  usually agree to pay this $600. And they'll book and I won't
• 54:29
  even know what the time why they're booking.
• 54:31
  Yeah, I paid 500 for mine. Yeah, exactly.
• 54:33
  And then all see like on their Med history and like will go
• 54:36
  through it and I don't bring up cancer because I don't Okay,
• 54:41
  tell me about your cancer on. Yeah, day that you're having but
• 54:44
  a lot of times like, they feel like they need to tell me
• 54:47
  because I'll be asking about like brow history met history,
• 54:50
  you know. Yeah.
• 54:51
  And they'll tell me their stories.
• 54:52
  And then if it is like cancer based or like they lost their
• 54:55
  browser treatment then like before, like when they go to
• 54:57
  pay, they're like, you know, and I'm like this, these are on me,
• 55:00
  like you've paid for enough shit.
• 55:03
  Well, fucking the man would be. No, I'm not.
• 55:06
  It's you are. It's an hour and a half of my
• 55:09
  time. And I it's just I know that it
• 55:15
  makes an impact. That particular thing is not
• 55:19
  self-serving. It does make me feel good, but
• 55:22
  it's just like, I tattooing is ridiculous.
• 55:25
  I'm a hundred and forty dollars an hour, some people are two
• 55:29
  hundred dollars an hour, you can't retain a lawyer for that
• 55:33
  sometime, you know what I mean? Like it's fucking stupid, how
• 55:38
  much money we make and it's Thing that people don't want to
• 55:41
  talk about because everyone wants to talk about how they put
• 55:43
  their heads down, and they work so hard and like tattooing is so
• 55:46
  serious and so tough, the amount of money that we get paid for
• 55:50
  what we do is fucking outrageous.
• 55:53
  My mom has worked in a factory for almost 30 years, you know
• 55:58
  what I mean, she works in no air conditioning.
• 56:02
  She works her ass off. She comes in for mandatory
• 56:04
  overtime. She sacrifices her family to do
• 56:06
  that. People were worst jobs and they
• 56:08
  make fucking $12 an hour. Yeah.
• 56:10
  Yeah, I draw pictures on people, four hundred and forty dollars
• 56:14
  an hour that's stupid. You know what I mean?
• 56:18
  And no one's going to say that no one's going to talk about
• 56:21
  that. So if I can put this lady's
• 56:23
  eyebrows on for free, in an hour and a half, fucking why not?
• 56:27
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:29
  You know what I mean? Like there's literally no reason
• 56:32
  that people. And I support a family of four
• 56:36
  on that. Yeah.
• 56:37
  And meet throwing this lady some eyebrows like that's not going
• 56:41
  to take food out of my kids mouth.
• 56:42
  Hmm you know what I mean? So not taking that approach to
• 56:47
  me is like it's it's a little bit selfish like and I'm not
• 56:54
  saying that anybody owes that to anyone but like I've I mean I've
• 56:58
  known of tattooers that have you know comped I'll tell you shout
• 57:03
  out to fucking calm. Or Cam, I'm always say his name
• 57:07
  wrong. Yeah, that's her uncle.
• 57:10
  Is it vagina? Get that out?
• 57:11
  Check this out because I love him.
• 57:17
  So he and I had only met in person one time and we're
• 57:21
  supposed to be competition. You know what I mean?
• 57:23
  Yeah, because that's how everything set up.
• 57:25
  Yeah, I had a 17 year old girl. Who had been sex trafficked.
• 57:30
  Wow. She had received a big tattoo
• 57:33
  from the person that had sex trafficked.
• 57:34
  Her and it was extremely awful. It was on her forearm, it was a
• 57:38
  constant reminder of this awful. Shit.
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  Horrible. Trauma, that she'd been through
• 57:42
  her, someone in her family, reached out to me.
• 57:44
  Hey, can you do this? Unfortunately, we don't tattoo
• 57:47
  under 18 because of insurance reasons.
• 57:49
  Yeah. And so I said, you know, I can't
• 57:52
  I said but I think symbolical tattoo, it 17.
• 57:55
  I'm not totally sure. So I hit cam up camp, okay.
• 57:59
  And I say hey man, you know, I've got the scroll, you know, I
• 58:02
  know I trust you, I know that you do nice work Because there's
• 58:05
  other shops will touch you like 16 and I'm not going to fucking
• 58:08
  send somebody there. Yeah.
• 58:09
  It's a traumatic experience. Yeah.
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  I'm like nope. We're not going to add to that
• 58:14
  today. Not on my name.
• 58:15
  Yeah. But I know him well enough to
• 58:17
  know that I like the way that he does business and I know that
• 58:19
  he's very respectful to his clients.
• 58:20
  I know that takes it very seriously so I hit him up with
• 58:23
  like barely knowing me and was like, hey here's a situation and
• 58:27
  he was like, I got her Xander, it like, send me her phone
• 58:31
  number and like, he brought her in and tattooed her.
• 58:34
  Like they had an amazing experience and like to me like
• 58:37
  there's just no reason not to do that.
• 58:40
  Yeah, yeah. And that's like kind of I feel
• 58:44
  like I made this so heavy and so if I can do it, I want to do it
• 58:54
  and it's it's one of the reasons like what you brought up earlier
• 58:58
  about like, how I'm always like outspoken and loud about like
• 59:00
  trans rights and gay rights and yeah women's It's like I'm not
• 59:05
  even necessarily an activist. Like I don't even consider
• 59:07
  myself like a feminist, it's just that.
• 59:11
  Especially in a tattooing space, I feel like it started out being
• 59:18
  a French activity and it started out where all the weirdos and
• 59:21
  all the Freaks and all the, you know, we're getting tattooed and
• 59:25
  then at some point it shifted into this, this different
• 59:30
  creature, that sort of alienated people who are vulnerable.
• 59:34
  Vulnerable. Yeah.
• 59:35
  And I really would like to make like leave a mark on on
• 59:40
  tattooing and like create a space.
• 59:42
  That feels safe for my clients like because I do think that
• 59:45
  like tattooing is very personal and it requires a certain amount
• 59:48
  of trust between your artist, you know, from your artist and
• 59:53
  your client. And I would like to make sure
• 59:55
  that female clients and trans clients and clients of color can
• 1:00:00
  come into a place where they feel like they're safe.
• 1:00:02
  Yeah. And They're not going to get
• 1:00:05
  told like that. Their skin is too dark for
• 1:00:07
  services. Yeah.
• 1:00:08
  Where are they can't get a color tattoo because of who they are
• 1:00:11
  or you know, the way that they look and they're not going to
• 1:00:15
  get chastised for having self harm scars covered up, which is
• 1:00:20
  the thing. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:21
  And it's just that's like basically it for me.
• 1:00:26
  But I also want to do your SpongeBob tattoos.
• 1:00:30
  I love it. We have a chat with all Three of
• 1:00:35
  us. And they're talking about a
• 1:00:38
  SpongeBob tattoo, and then she was like, DNA Listia, special
• 1:00:42
  tattoo, because Emily's, a fucking pussy.
• 1:00:44
  And I was like, I don't say fucking I just said, Pussy.
• 1:00:47
  Well, anyways, cuz that's better.
• 1:00:50
  Yeah, I did.
• 1:01:02
  I was her husband over there, right?
• 1:01:03
  Right. She had something scheduled
• 1:01:07
  cancelled on him. I heard that in one of the
• 1:01:09
  episodes. Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Well I was I was can't. How much notice did you give
• 1:01:14
  this, man? I don't even know, are you so do
• 1:01:17
  you actively tattooing? Cool.
• 1:01:19
  Have you been how long have you been doing so?
• 1:01:23
  Are you licensed tattooing? Are you still practicing my
• 1:01:26
  written test? You haven't taken your written,
• 1:01:28
  yet. I failed the log questions, and
• 1:01:32
  so the second part, So are you guys testing out and we lost
• 1:01:36
  homie over here is people on that that was all my diatribe
• 1:01:44
  literally put a man to that's how interesting.
• 1:02:06
  The bartender's. Are you guys testing locally now
• 1:02:12
  or do you have to go to Topeka stole who's testing you out?
• 1:02:23
  I bought some bald guy talk to her.
• 1:02:26
  Yeah. In local culture?
• 1:02:30
  Yeah. Because we used to go to Topeka.
• 1:02:32
  Yeah, but I heard recently that they had like had some people in
• 1:02:35
  town where you just like pop over and do your test.
• 1:02:38
  So they're going to let you retake it though.
• 1:02:39
  Okay cool, it'll be. It'll be Charlie.
• 1:02:42
  There's Kansas law, shit. Yeah, you got the handbook,
• 1:02:48
  right? Why do you not have that?
• 1:02:54
  How do you not have the handbook?
• 1:02:57
  He is a struggle. Hold on, Chris.
• 1:03:05
  Give your blood the handbook. It has all the lie that sir I
• 1:03:20
  have the handbook. Is here to help everyone all
• 1:03:31
  around. We just bring people together.
• 1:03:52
  They're practical. Yes yeah so when I went to do my
• 1:03:54
  practical and Deepika, I pulled up we were running late and you
• 1:03:59
  know how they're like well it least it used to be like if
• 1:04:01
  you're a fucking here by this time you can't test and ye won't
• 1:04:06
  retest you for six months. Damn.
• 1:04:08
  And so we're hauling ass to Topeka.
• 1:04:10
  Of course I'm directionally challenged because I really
• 1:04:14
  hate. I realized that when I told you
• 1:04:16
  where the door was at I told you it's on the east side it's
• 1:04:18
  actually I think this is North so I fucking light.
• 1:04:21
  Listen, I I want to have no idea.
• 1:04:23
  I forgot to tell you what I want, right?
• 1:04:26
  As bit. I was born in this city and I
• 1:04:44
  have know if I'm driving from my house place.
• 1:04:48
  If I have to go from my house to another place and then that
• 1:04:50
  place. I'm a girl will Google my magic.
• 1:04:53
  Imagine both of us in the car. She I'd be like Fanny will be on
• 1:04:56
  your right? She goes left and I don't hate
• 1:05:00
  you. I don't even notice it till
• 1:05:02
  later. I'm but I'm driving children
• 1:05:07
  laugh? And I won't notice.
• 1:05:09
  And I'm like, wait, I think we're going the wrong way.
• 1:05:11
  She's an asshole. She don't tell me the right way.
• 1:05:14
  I wouldn't know. It's okay.
• 1:05:20
  So I got us lost. I know waited to be good.
• 1:05:23
  And so now we're like dry to make up for time.
• 1:05:25
  And I'm already freaked out because I have to go try and
• 1:05:28
  take this test which is terrifying.
• 1:05:31
  Like not to discredit it. Like you're scared shit.
• 1:05:34
  When you go do it and yeah, we were almost late.
• 1:05:37
  So I'm like, pull up really quick and there's this guy out
• 1:05:41
  in front of the state boards office and he's on the cell on
• 1:05:44
  his cell phone and he's throwing shit around.
• 1:05:46
  And he's like, fuck these motherfuckers, they blah blah
• 1:05:49
  blah, blah blah, and like fucking pass.
• 1:05:52
  On some bullshit and I'm like, oh my God, this guy didn't pass
• 1:05:57
  anybody pass know like and then we might go in and the people,
• 1:06:05
  the board you have to sit in front of and it's very awkward
• 1:06:07
  because at the time there were three people.
• 1:06:09
  Yeah, and you're doing your practical or you do everything,
• 1:06:11
  but tattoo front to back, and they don't say shit.
• 1:06:15
  They said you like this and you just have to like do all yours
• 1:06:20
  that I wish I wear wearing. Like those old wigs.
• 1:06:24
  You know? Like the for the powder away.
• 1:06:28
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:06:29
  And they they don't say anything.
• 1:06:31
  So if you're blowing it you have no idea or if you're killing,
• 1:06:34
  you have no idea. Yeah, so you're just like doing
• 1:06:36
  this. If you have to bring a client so
• 1:06:38
  I brought my best friend. Yeah, she had to fill out my
• 1:06:41
  release forms. That we go over med history.
• 1:06:44
  Yeah, there it is right there. I love those.
• 1:06:46
  And so this bitch to this day is my best friend and she puts down
• 1:06:51
  Take that she's a sulfa allergy released for and like, and I
• 1:07:00
  Breeze, right past it, you know, and I'm like, okay, okay, yeah,
• 1:07:04
  looks good, looks good, you're good.
• 1:07:06
  And then they're like, what about herself allergy?
• 1:07:10
  And at the time, I'm with what the fuck is that?
• 1:07:12
  Like, you best soul food? Like it, sulfur, what is this?
• 1:07:16
  Like I said sofa like what? And that's, that's puts that
• 1:07:30
  down and I'm being tested like, they're like, well, you know,
• 1:07:36
  you didn't talk to her about herself allergy and I'm like, oh
• 1:07:39
  shit yourself out. This second we got in the car,
• 1:07:44
  bitch. I was like, are you fucking
• 1:07:46
  kidding me? Yeah, you really put that shit
• 1:07:49
  down. You couldn't just check.
• 1:07:50
  No. And I might best for like she
• 1:07:53
  also has like, very high anxiety like me and she was like, I just
• 1:07:56
  panicked and told the truth. Yeah.
• 1:08:02
  She's like I just did the thing and I was like oh fuck.
• 1:08:06
  And so yeah, I got counted off for that and I was like thanks a
• 1:08:08
  lot for coming along. You're like next client.
• 1:08:12
  It was pretty funny that would but good luck to you.
• 1:08:16
  I'm so glad you have it. New testing date.
• 1:08:22
  So it's literally just that written wait.
• 1:08:25
  So they let you take the Practical before you pass the
• 1:08:27
  written test. See we used to have to do the to
• 1:08:31
  writtens. You'd have to pass before they
• 1:08:33
  let you take the profitable. Yes.
• 1:08:38
  Yeah, the Kansas laws because we used to only have no, we only
• 1:08:45
  took one, we had 100 question written test, but it was like
• 1:08:48
  all melted into one thing and you had to pass that Before you
• 1:08:52
  can move on the Practical. So they would check you on the
• 1:08:55
  spot and if you failed it, they wouldn't let you do the
• 1:08:56
  practical. Damn.
• 1:08:58
  Yeah. So you to past that first and
• 1:09:00
  then they're like you have to sit in a waiting room and they'd
• 1:09:02
  be like, okay, you passed and then go to the Practical and
• 1:09:05
  then if you pass out, you got licensed.
• 1:09:06
  Yeah, that same day. Yeah, that's same thing on, when
• 1:09:10
  you try to get your nail tech license to us.
• 1:09:12
  Well, well, yeah, because Board of Cosmetology.
• 1:09:15
  They run a lot of us. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:17
  Yeah. Fucking assholes, man.
• 1:09:18
  They just want money. I failed my blood spill it when
• 1:09:21
  I because I went to nail school to us.
• 1:09:23
  Well, okay. And I failed the the blood one.
• 1:09:26
  So they're like, okay you need come back and take It within
• 1:09:28
  another, you know, six months. So I did I passed it and I just
• 1:09:33
  never renewed. It just never did, just never
• 1:09:36
  dead. Um, yeah, I mean, I feel like
• 1:09:39
  with tattooing the state is what they can, unfortunately, the
• 1:09:43
  Board of Cosmetology there, dude, they're their resources
• 1:09:46
  are so small compared to the massive amount of businesses and
• 1:09:51
  people that they oversee. So I think they, I think they do
• 1:09:54
  their best but we don't have Any representation on the board
• 1:10:00
  right now? As far as I know, when I had
• 1:10:03
  spoken with Denzel, when he was proposing.
• 1:10:06
  His yes, yeah. And with us, I he's now going to
• 1:10:11
  be representing, yes, I'm tattoo artists on the board.
• 1:10:14
  I don't remember if he said that on the episode, so I'm really
• 1:10:16
  sorry. Denzel if I just outed you, all
• 1:10:18
  right. He said, he went to to judge,
• 1:10:20
  right? He shared a couple other things
• 1:10:23
  but we don't we can talk about it off.
• 1:10:25
  No, it's fine. He I actually Lee attended the
• 1:10:30
  the meeting that he had about his school opening, opening a
• 1:10:34
  school and moving forward with that because they wanted to get
• 1:10:36
  some like local opinions. And to be honest with you, like
• 1:10:39
  I was completely against it and I still am pretty against it but
• 1:10:42
  Denzel and I talked from what at least I feel like and I hope he
• 1:10:46
  agrees with me from like a level of, of mutual respect of just
• 1:10:49
  having a different opinion and I respect.
• 1:10:51
  And is all very much. I think that I like I like the
• 1:10:55
  way that he works. I just think that he's Maybe
• 1:11:01
  diving into something that he doesn't quite have figured out.
• 1:11:03
  Yeah, I do hope that he is, what point being I said, hey, you
• 1:11:09
  know, if you are serious about wanting to give back to
• 1:11:11
  tattooing and you want to move this in a forward Direction.
• 1:11:14
  Represent us at the state because we don't have
• 1:11:17
  representation. Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  Because they, they have like hair salons, first, nail salons,
• 1:11:23
  tanning salons. Like it's a lot and then
• 1:11:25
  tattooing is like very small part of that. so it would be
• 1:11:28
  fucking rad if Denzel ended up on the, you know, working with
• 1:11:32
  the board to sort of represent that and and Bring that kind of
• 1:11:38
  back to the ground level of tattooing.
• 1:11:40
  I think that'd be really awesome.
• 1:11:42
  Yeah yeah well I think you've shared a real a lot of really
• 1:11:47
  awesome. Insights.
• 1:11:48
  A lot of stories we're really excited.
• 1:11:51
  Sorry I was responding to something here.
• 1:11:53
  You're amazing. Human being you really, are you
• 1:11:55
  really are? I really excited.
• 1:11:57
  I fell in love with you by the day.
• 1:11:59
  You walked those damn doors. Can I say one more thing?
• 1:12:03
  Yeah, because you said that you're in love with me.
• 1:12:05
  Mmm, I also Fanny that I was going to get tipsy and confess
• 1:12:09
  my love to Brittany and I just want to make sure that I say
• 1:12:13
  that before you guys cut it out because Brittany, I don't know
• 1:12:16
  you, but let's be friends. I'll tell you guys the rest of
• 1:12:22
  the conversation. You guys are fantastic.
• 1:12:28
  Thank you so much. Thank you.
• 1:12:30
  Thank you. Yes.
• 1:12:47
  Just put your name on it but we'll definitely let others
• 1:12:49
  visit so yeah, enjoy. We can't Music Dusty.
• 1:13:07
  I know you're playing music because you're nodding your
• 1:13:09
  head. Oh, well now we hear it now?
• 1:13:18
  Fatty Kim. I'm sorry.
• 1:13:22
  Were you going to do this other part?
• 1:13:23
  No you know you go for it. Okay.
• 1:13:26
  What about this pile? You okay.
• 1:13:28
  Okay so one thing that we just want to say as we're getting
• 1:13:32
  ready to close out this new year or this year we just want to
• 1:13:36
  we're In forward to the new one ahead and this does conclude our
• 1:13:40
  tattoo talks, but that doesn't conclude.
• 1:13:43
  Here's to you. We are excited to continue
• 1:13:46
  working through that. We're really excited for the
• 1:13:48
  compliment accomplishments and some of the challenges that we
• 1:13:51
  faced this year and we're just really happy to have you guys as
• 1:13:55
  listeners to still sticking with us.
• 1:13:57
  Thank you airing out. Thank you to our yes.
• 1:14:02
  We're like to thank you to Our Guest listeners.
• 1:14:05
  Yeah. Everybody who came Supportive
• 1:14:07
  even are non paid interns as well.
• 1:14:09
  Yes. Bartenders and everything like
• 1:14:11
  that. That was without you guys.
• 1:14:13
  We would not be here right now. Yeah, this is, are we now Mark a
• 1:14:17
  year on this? So many of us have had a tough
• 1:14:20
  year. We've also seen moments of Hope
• 1:14:23
  and resilience and so as we enter that new year, let's hold
• 1:14:26
  on to that hope and determination and use it to make
• 1:14:29
  that coming year, even better. Yes, whether it's setting new
• 1:14:32
  goals, trying new things or simply taking the time to
• 1:14:35
  appreciate the little moments. Let's make the most of this new
• 1:14:39
  year. So as we bring the new year
• 1:14:41
  let's do it with a sense of optimism and excitement for all
• 1:14:45
  that is yet to come happy New Year, guys.
• 1:14:49
  Hey, take is away faster that we're doing.
• 1:14:51
  What's our last thing they know? What is what
• 1:15:11
  That part.