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Godzilla Minus One · Project Geekology

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Welcome back our loyal listeners to Project Geekology, episode 69.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: And we have a very special 69th episode for you.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Today we have we're recovering Godzilla minus one, which is actually the movie released on the 69th anniversary of the Godzilla franchise Not literally on the day, but it is currently in its 69th year of being a thing, so it's very Weird timing, honestly, like I didn't even know, that was news to me.
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: That's why I was really surprised when you said 69, that this is our episode, anyway, so no innuendos here.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: This is strictly professional discussion of Godzilla minus one, for our 69th episode and it's 69th anniversary.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: Actually, 2024 will be the 70th anniversary because the original film came out in 1954.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: This came out last year, so technically it's 69th.
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: So before we get into all of that, you've already heard Anthony.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: But anyway, as always, my name is Dakota and I'm joined with Anthony.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: And Anthony, what have you been up to recently?
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: Well, you know we, I went to go see Godzilla minus one and that's good because we're covering it today actually.
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: So that's, you know it's really.
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: I almost skipped over that one, but you know I had already raved about it a bunch to you, so it'll be cool to actually cover it on the podcast.
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, man, was it Persona 3 Reload?
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: I've been on that.
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: It just came out a couple days ago.
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: What are you playing it on?
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: No yesterday PC.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: Are you a PC guy like through and through, or do you have certain things that are like you prefer to?
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: play on console there's.
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: So I, yeah, I'm honestly just a gaming enthusiast through and through.
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not just strictly a PC.
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: I will say that my preference is PC, mostly because, dude, I love Steam, steam just they always have like really good sales going on, no matter what.
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you can pick up games for like really crazy sales and sometimes I'll like bump into games that seem interesting and I'll go for it because it's cheap enough, you know, and I'll end up liking whatever it is.
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: But no, sometimes I'll hop on PlayStation and there's certain experiences that I think would be cool to play on PlayStation, like the Spider-Man 2 game, obviously with the adaptive or the haptic triggers or the adaptive triggers.
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: You know it's really, really cool.
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: And then the Just the way that everything feels, the haptic feedback, the sounds that kind of come out of it.
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: And I have friends that there's games that they play on PlayStation that'll hop on PlayStation.
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: The same thing with Xbox.
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: And you know there's always room for the Switch.
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: The Switch always has.
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: The Switch always has like their own it's a little place Exclusives, you know.
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they have their exclusives.
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: They had Tears of the Kingdom that came out last year, and so you know I really enjoy the Legend of Zelda, so I had to get on that.
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the rumors that Nintendo is going to unveil their Switch 2?
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: Sometime this year.
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: It's about time, yeah.
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: The Switch is right at the course, yeah.
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: Absolutely so.
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: It's been out since 2017.
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean I would say that that's about the console's life cycle.
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: Has it really been since 2017?
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: That's 2017, yeah, oh 70 years now, yeah, wow.
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: I mean you know PS4 and Xbox One.
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: Those consoles came out in 2013.
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: And in 2020, that's when they came out with the Series X and the PS5.
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: So that's seven years.
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: So that's usually about the life cycles, like seven years is, you know, it's like it's pushing it Because by then, like a lot of new tech has come out, you could get away with having a PC for seven years which, honestly, like that's what I've had mine for seven years.
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: It's run its core.
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that it's run its course, it's just a lot of the hardware in it is old and having a little bit of a harder time keeping up with some of the new, more graphically intensive games.
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you run into this, like this problem, where graphics in newer games are getting better and better and requiring more processing power, right, and your equipment is slowly degrading over time, just naturally.
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know so you kind of run into like you're getting pinched on both ends basically.
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: So eventually you're going to have to upgrade.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: Absolutely and honestly.
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: The same thing applies with consoles.
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: You know consoles the hardware and that usually starts to run its course.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: They try to keep it updated by coming out with different iterations of each Like.
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: I know that they want to.
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: There's another PS5 that's being in the works, kind of like the pro version.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: There's like a modular version that they want to come out with.
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: I haven't really looked too much into Xbox.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Xbox will probably come out with something, I mean, although they already have like their Series X and Series S, depending on where if you're, you know, a disc person, a non-disc person, if you want something a little bit smaller.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah, that's just honestly like with everything.
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: But the thing that I like about PC is that there's you don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that this is the last console generation?
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: That'll be disc or cartridge only?
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: Well, nintendo, I feel like the next version of the Switch will be cartridge based.
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I feel like they still have a little bit more in the tank as far as that.
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see.
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, cartridge is a little bit harder to run some of these games and you could tell that the Switch is definitely starting to run its course.
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: And just with the way that cartridges do work because Tears of the Kingdom, while they did go with some like like a cell shading effect, I guess, to help alleviate the stress of a game like that you know they did the same with Breath of the Wild I feel like a game like that could have done a lot better if they upgraded the hardware.
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally hear you.
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: I also think for Nintendo they'll probably want some sort of backwards compatibility with their Switch games, for whatever is coming next.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I could see them keeping the cartridge game in play, basically, but what do you think about?
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: like Sony and Microsoft, Sony and Microsoft, that that'll.
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: That's definitely.
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: I would say it is a controversy, like there's people, there's a lot of people out there that have widely accepted just straight up digitally, you know, just having things digitally.
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: But there's also still a very big fan base of wanting to own the games.
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: Because really, when you buy things digitally you're only buying the license.
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: But when you buy a game that's, you know, the actual hard disc, you know they can't take that away from you.
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: You know they could.
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: You know they're like you, we really don't own these games.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's kind of it's crazy it's crazy because you know if, if buying doesn't mean owning, then how is pirating theft?
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just like I understand, like logically, why that would be theft and everything but the, the concept of, like, you spend money on this to buy, to purchase.
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: If you do not own it, then what is the point, you know?
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I'm definitely.
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: I understand the practicality of the.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: You know the digital frontier and making sure you know, for space's sake, for minimalist sake, for shelf space sake, you know I understand the, the reasons, people and for convenience sake.
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: You know you just click, buy on on the.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: You know PlayStation shop, xbox shop, and you know it downloads within a couple minutes to an hour or whatever you also don't have to swap discs.
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, yeah, no, absolutely it's it's very convenient, I, and I totally get that.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: But I do think that there's something to be said that you know about physical copies of not just games but movies and music and pretty much everything.
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: I think once that's gone, we're gonna realize it was a mistake to let it go because of reasons like that, because of you know, on the movie side, you know people or you know these companies sell rights to their stuff to this, this streamer or that streamer, and then they take it away on this, on this, the Apple store, on you know Apple TV, or like the Amazon Prime store, they'll remove it occasionally and then those things are just not available anymore, even though you've bought them in the past and so it's.
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: I can totally see that that is going to become an issue later on down the line no, I totally agree.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: And when I totally agree when you say that when it's gone, we will, you know, I will find that it was the wrong thing to like go away.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: I totally, I really do agree with that.
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: The thing is is that there's also.
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, when you buy things digitally, you're not there, you're not getting a, a monetary break, and on it either you're still spending.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: You know, say, the game is $70, disc or digital, it's still $70, no matter where you get it.
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: You're not getting it for five or ten dollars cheaper, it's still yeah, like where is that $70?
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: how is that $70 broken down?
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly?
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: Because back in the day, you know the argument was well, this game is $60 because you need to pay the distributor, you need to pay the manufacturer, you need to pay the store, you need to pay the producer of the game.
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: You know it was broken down really simply.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: But now it's just you pay the producer of the game the exact same price that you would pay at the store.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: You know, like, where's the where's the real logic in there?
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: so I don't know right and depending on where you shop from, you know, say, hypothetically, you're buying from GameStop.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: If you're one of those pro rewards members, you might have points to add to like a coupon.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: That's like ten dollars off or whatever.
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: There's many reasons why I mean I guess you could buy some of those games digitally too, because they sell the cards.
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying that there's just real no edge to buying digitally.
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: When it comes to money, you know you're spending the same no, I totally get that all right before we go off.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: I'm too much of a tangent.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: What else have you been up to besides Persona the new?
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: Persona game.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: Just doing my day-to-day nerding.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: You know playing, my playing.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: You know the last time we spoke pow world's messing around on that.
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: I've played with a couple of friends on that and I was.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: I was really excited to buy it, but it's not on the PlayStation Store and I'm just like, oh, that's right, yeah, so I cannot physically play that.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sure my computers will be able to.
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: I have IMAX but yeah, I'm sure through Steam I could play it.
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: But anyway, whatever but yeah, um yeah, nothing too crazy just yet.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: Playing Persona and seeing Godzilla what about you?
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: Would have you been up to?
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: I know that you're a little bit more settled in after the move now yeah, so I'm getting a lot more work done on, like my projects with geek critique, you know, like my, my youtube channel, my, my biggest project right now is the Monsterverse, so you know.
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: Godzilla 2014, kong, skull Island and, and those films and the TV shows Monarch and I just recently watched for the first time.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: Netflix released, in the summer of last year, a Skull Island anime that's only eight episodes.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: It's it's really easy to binge and it's actually really fun.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: I was like really really surprised by it.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: The initial like look of it I wasn't super big on, like just from trailers or whatever, but the actual flow of the show and its humor I found really like there was a couple parts where I was actually laughing out loud, which is I wasn't expecting.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I thought it was something that I was gonna like have to watch just because I'm making a Monsterverse timeline video and just never watch again.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: But actually I'm excited to watch it without having to like take detailed notes on it, you know.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: But, um, yeah, so now I'm going through Monarch again.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: I had watched it when it first came out a couple months back and now I'm watching it again, doing like my timeline notes, making sure I catch everything that I can catch, so that you know, because I don't do everything, I don't do anything by like halves.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: I have to be like I have to know everything about the timeline or something.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: So, um, by the time this is through, I will be probably one of the the premiere timeline people for the Monsterverse, which is kind of exciting because it's a.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty big thing right now with Godzilla X Kong the new empire movie coming out soon, right.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: But I want to comment briefly on something that you texted me.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: Let me see if I could pull it up really quick because I had me dying laughing.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: So you on Saturday, so last Saturday, january 27th, you said gonna watch Gzilla in IMAX.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: I said, yo, I'm going tomorrow.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: And then you go, bro, forget the Monsterverse.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: This is the only Godzilla movie that exists.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: I was dying laughing.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, after seeing it, I'm pretty sure you're probably like yeah, no, I mean.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing they both have their place within oh, absolutely within the Godzilla fandom.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Some are more like I.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: What I appreciate about this movie is that it takes it, you take it.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Takes the concept of Godzilla, strips away any corniness, any campiness, any extra like craziness, and just makes it a like a war piece or, you know, a post-war piece right, right, well.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll definitely dig like a lot more into that oh yeah, I'm already like jumping into it, but do I?
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: have anything else to say, or can we just jump right into it?
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: Did you have?
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Anything else to talk about.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, um, oh.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: I want to just mention really quickly that Carl Weathers passed away yesterday yes, yes that that hit me hard.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Uh 76, so young it.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not so young, but it's.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: He seemed like a healthy person he did for his it.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember reaching out to you about that yesterday.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a big loss, a sad loss.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: You know he's been, he's been active, he we've seen him in the, the Mandalorian and I don't know.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I really just like enjoy a lot of the roles that that he plays.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know he's really into action, but you know he can.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: He can be really really funny too, because you know he's an happy Gilmore he's.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: He also has like a brief appearance and arrested development.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: So one of one of the best roles in arrest development if you ever get.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: If you haven't seen a rest of development, just look up uh Carl Weathers, uh stew ste w and it'll.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: It's the most ridiculous clip ever.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Basically, uh, one of the characters, tobias Fiumke, is uh trying his invited Carl Weathers to his house so that he can get acting tips from him, and right, I think that's what, what the issue is, or what's going on.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: It is something with acting.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty and he throws away.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: He throws away like a chicken bone into the garbage can and Carl Weathers rips it out of the garbage and is like oh, there's still a little bit meat on that bone.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You know, take this home, bag it up, put it in a throw, throw it in a pot, baby, you got a stew going.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I, I dude, yes, it is such a good, it's so ridiculous.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: And he says it straight faced and it's like how does anyone keep acting when someone says something as ridiculous as that?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Uh, he's gonna be missed, um yeah, he will, he will, I mean, obviously.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: He was most notably known as Apollo Creed and the Rocky movies yeah, dude huge role that I mean yeah, I mean rip that spun off an entire spin-off series called Creed yeah, his character had gravitas.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Uh enough, we, you know the legacy is still felt within uh film and stuff.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So that's, that's pretty cool yeah, yeah, he, yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I hope that they they do some sort of tribute and the next Mandalorian well, like when they come out with that movie right, yeah, I, I forget is.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Is the movie Mandalorian and Grogu coming before season four of Mando or is it vice versa?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Is Mando for coming before the Mandalorian and Grogu?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: It's a good question.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's an answer yet.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone really knows.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Are you looking it up?
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: um, no, no, no I.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I was just kind of like getting myself set up with what is this like?
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: oh, oh, the cast.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, you get one of those uh foldable phones oh, yeah, I forgot this.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did that's dope Anthony's showing me his foldable phone over the screen.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Um what, which?
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Which model is it?
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the was it z z fold five how long have you had it?
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I look a fair little bit now for maybe a few months oh, I haven't seen it.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: All right, anthony, what do you say?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: We jump into our coverage of Godzilla minus one.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I say it's about time so really quickly the name, the name Godzilla minus one.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: It's an interesting one for a number of reasons.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: We were talking a little bit about the naming convention of Godzilla in this movie, because in the movie correct me if I'm wrong listeners but in the movie I remember pretty much every time maybe maybe not every time, but pretty much every time someone said the the term Godzilla, they didn't use gojira.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I watched it in Japanese.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if if you also watched it in Japanese, anthony.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Is there a dub version?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there is, but uh, actually I don't even know if there is a dub yeah, I watched.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I watched it in in sub okay.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, same same here.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Um, and yeah, every time they use the term Godzilla, it's Godzilla instead of gojira, which is the classic name of Godzilla in Japan.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: So I thought that was curious.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't mind it, obviously I I'm used to hearing Godzilla in America, but I was a little thrown off by it just because I was expecting them to stay.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: You know gojira, because the original 1954 film was gojira.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: And then you had a recent Godzilla movie, shin gojira instead of Shin Godzilla, you know.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, um, also, what do you think the minus one means?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I think the minus one means that it is less than one.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So zero.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: So so I've so Godzilla minus one means that it is earlier than the first Godzilla movie.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: You can't see it, but you can't see it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Listeners, but my mind is blown.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think that's what that means.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we have, you know, the original coming out in the 1950s, you know, and then this takes place in the 1940s.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: So you know saying yeah, it's before I guess.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I guess I could see it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: So I say I'm not too sure.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I have a fee.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I mean from from what I've read online, the idea of it being minus one is pretty much that like Japan has already been like brought down to its knees, like they're already at their zero point after the war.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know, they're in a period of rebuilding and the beginning of the film kind of covers a period of three or four years maybe from like when the main character, koichi, citizen yes, but they go by.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: They go by his family name most of the time.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was Koichi that they called him mostly.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Koichi would be the family name.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I mean no, no, I think they called him by.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, shikishima, yeah, yes, yes, yes.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: You know, from the point after the war when Koichi Shikishima comes back to his home town and you know it's all burnt to a crisp, his family's dead to when Godzilla starts striking again, starts attacking Tokyo.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's a period of about four years, if I remember correctly enough, for the young child to grow up, basically grow up into a toddler A little bit.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It was a newborn.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: It was cool saying the like in the beginning when we get that glimpse of Godzilla, it's like it's very like a lot smaller.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was strange and in in, like in my head I'm like is this going to be the size of Godzilla in this movie?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Because he's kind of like maybe a little larger than a T-Rex at that point, yeah, and I mean it's not as big as you expect, this 300-foot monster, you know, rampaging through the city.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: But let's talk about that scene a little bit because it was kind of scary, like it was like an actual, like it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: It was a horror movie pretty much.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, for real.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: And in like singing in IMAX it's so loud Dude like I mean just the, the roaring of of Godzilla.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: And yeah, in that moment they're just I don't know if it was before or after that moment, but they do talk about Godzilla, because there's the locals of that island that like know about this creature.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, this is big giant sea creature.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: That just so I think it's before.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I think they mentioned it before that there's before yeah, before they all get attacked.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I think someone mentions that the locals have, you know, a legend about a creature they called Godzilla.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And I think it's shortly after they like first hear Godzilla, like maybe they heard him roar or something, and then someone brought it up.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I know that that Koichi had seen some dead fish yeah On the shore.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was that was, which was like a precursor yeah, they, they mentioned that he brings.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: He brings up deep sea fish Deep sea.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, To the surface.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Like when he comes up, which is an interesting idea I wonder how deep sea it was, exactly because you know if you've seen the movie.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So obviously, spoilers we're going to be talking spoilers the entire time yeah, if you see the movie.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: How they intend to initially kill him is by sinking him really low into, like the deepest part of you know the Japanese coastline, and then bringing him back up, basically crushing him and then letting the pressure expand him back out.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: So if he's a deep sea creature and he's bringing deep sea fish up to the surface, would he not be kind of prepared for that?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Or like, obviously, like they must have sent him much deeper than that, right?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I think that what they were going for was the an extreme change in pressure.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah Right, you know, hey, Godzilla probably does like a gradual thing.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: You know, honestly, it's almost like when you're scuba diving and if you go up too fast, you'll get the bends so.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that, like you know, that that's that's like pretty much with any sea dweller, or most sea dwellers or the ones that breathe air.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I would say they probably will not go up very fast, so but yeah, I would say that that that's probably what they were going with Godzilla.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that that even like Godzilla, in small mode in the beginning, was like very destructive, very scary and just just, yeah, destroying everything.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I think because he was smaller, he looked faster, or he was a little bit faster.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, absolutely.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: So it somehow was like almost more menacing in a way than than I remember seeing him, Obviously like he turned out to be way more menacing later when he was massive and just destroying everything.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: But let's talk a little bit about before that scene.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: When you know, the movie first starts, we have a Koichi coming into get his plane fixed because he's a kamikaze pilot and basically it's the end of the war.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: It's the last days of the war.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: They've been told to kill themselves.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Basically throw themselves into the enemy, take out as many as you can.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: That's, that's how the movie starts.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: He obviously didn't do that, obviously, you know, if he was able to fly the plane to get his plane fixed, there was just enough, you know, possibility for him to like throw his plane into the enemy, you know.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: So they check his plane out and they realize this guy is just a deserter or he just didn't obey that order.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: You know that.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And from the get go in the movie you have a couple people who actively hate him for that, or at least basically belittle him for taking away from the honor, the perceived honor, of sacrificing yourself for one's country.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And I thought that was really powerful, like, especially when it came from his neighbor I forget his neighbor's name, you know when he goes back to his hometown and his neighbor, you know, berates him.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: For you know, like, how dare you come back here after you?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: So Miko, so Miko, yeah, okay.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Basically.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: She berates him for coming back alive when you know all the other kamikaze pilots have taken their lives for their country.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: She sees no honor in it.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: She sees only that, like they lost the war because of people like him.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Right and this and that notion or that aspect of the movie is.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: It's huge in this movie.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is about life.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: The whole movie is ultimately about, like, living.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and something that I noticed about this film is that it's also a turning point for the way that, you know, a lot of the Japanese are kind of like.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm tired of having to needlessly sacrifice myself if I can live, you know yeah, I, that's a good point, it was.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: it's almost like historical criticism of their own nation, because this is a Japanese movie, made by Japanese people, discussing the real world ramifications of the end of the war and, like you know how many people needlessly died during that war due to the, due to the empire's mandate?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: right and I thought that that was actually an interesting look.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I feel like you never see Japan in a post world, a post war aspect, and you know, obviously there's a lot that's exaggerated because it's a monster movie, you know, I do thoroughly believe that.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was a thing, that if you're a kamikaze pilot and you came Back or you you cowered from it, you were going to be ostracized for it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I 100%, and I think that that is that's part of the amazing nature of this movie is that, you know, it's not uncommon in American cinema to see historical criticism of, say, the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: We had.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Oppenheimer recently.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, and they don't show that happening on screen, but they show the ramifications of like what it does to the soul of a person who creates something as destructive as an atomic bomb.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: You know they you see through Robert Oppenheimer's persona throughout the film that like, eventually he gets to a point where, like, we can't do this, like this is terrible.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, the president, you know, calls him a baby.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Blah, blah, blah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: You have that real historical criticism laid out in front of you from an American film.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think you see that too often from other.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, at least I don't see it too often from other countries.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Obviously it most likely does happen, but I this was an experience.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Talking about this was a new experience for me going into a movie from Japan about their perspective of violence and sacrifice and wartime and post wartime.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Because, like you, like we were saying, like in the beginning, it's very realistic that he was ostracized by a couple individuals because he didn't take his life for his country including one of the mechanics that survived from that yes island attack.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: It was literally just Koichi and this mechanic, you know, and he's like look, and the mechanic blamed him in that moment, like look, what happened?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: This happened because you didn't pull the trigger on it, because he told they they had told Koichi to go into his plane to start shooting the I think it was like a 30 millimeter gun, that that's in the right, yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And so they told him and they're like look, you know, and he's like, oh and so like, this is honestly like a build up for the character over time, you know, there's deserting, the kamikaze order and freezing up when he could potentially save these people, which, honestly, you know, we know that that wasn't not gonna do anything.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Let's, let's be real, it might have hurt him and at being a smaller Godzilla, but he would have just tail whip that plane and we call it a day.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's, it's really.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: It's good that you actually bring that up because I kind of forgot about it a little bit.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: But that actually is kind of like a smaller version of the, the more broad aspect of you know, the war, and like taking one's life for the, for one's country, because obviously shooting Godzilla from that, from that ship, would have been a suicide Of its own kind.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: You know, like he would have died no matter what if he absolutely so him Saving himself in that moment is a parallel to him saving himself from the kamikaze.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: It's not a one-for-one parallel because obviously the order to kill yourself in a comic, like in a kamikaze fashion, probably shouldn't have been given, you know.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: But right right and Godzilla did need to be killed in that moment.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: So it's it's.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: There's a difference there, but it's kind of showing the same thing was essentially a suicide mission.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: It would have been a suicide mission.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: It would have been I mean, he might at that point he might as well have, come you know, done kamikaze.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: If he would have just jumped, if he would have jumped and Into that plane and started shooting at Godzilla, it would have a game over.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: You saw what Godzilla did to that plane.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Even with the matter of it.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I took him to come to go.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: He's posted that it just got destroyed yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: So you have that parallel going into the, into the beginning of the movie where, like, he Failed his country twice, basically, that's how he sees it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: You know like he sees it and he's just like eating himself up for years.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: One of the best lines that I remember is that, like for him this, the war is still going.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Yes he never finished it.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, and, and that's something that that like is like a continuous thing, even when he brings in Noriko and did, and that, that baby that she, she pretty much Fosters because the baby's real parents get killed.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got killed during the war.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Well, we're still on that topic of you know, like, obviously life is valuable.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about how those characters that once hated him for Running away from duty I guess at the end of the movie they want him to live like they do not want him to sacrifice himself for the sake of the mission.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I thought that that was a really cool way and just a really just beautiful Historical criticism right there.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: You know like putting things in perspective after some time Usually leads people to different conclusions.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: You know like a different rationales where they're very like pro-war at the time.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: After some time has passed, they realize what really matters in life, you know.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: So I thought that was cool inside yeah yeah, no, no, especially the mechanic.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: The mechanic was definitely the one that was because, noichi, you know they kind of recruit him.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: You know this is for that last mission Obviously to to talk about, or that last mission to take down Godzilla, and you know he's like, oh, I'm gonna no, it's pretty much like I'm gonna commit kamikaze to attack the inside of of Godzilla with these explosives and you know that kind of Brings the, the mechanic on board.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: But yeah, by the end he he's.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: When he finds out that no, each, he know each he's like survives, that you know the look of relief on his face is like, you know, I'm glad he actually didn't do it.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so quick amendment it's Koichi, I believe, koichi, koichi and Noriko, I think you're confusing, like the two names.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, it is, that's all right.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: No worries, no worries, yeah.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: So I love that, I love the, the way that it ends.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: You kind of see it coming a little bit, because you know like it cuts off right before they start the mission and the Engineer basically says and one more thing.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And then it cuts off, but and you're like what is it?
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Is it a bigger bomb in the back of the Ship or is it a way for him to save his life?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: You know, right, they did talk about the lack of Ejection seats in.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they talked about lack of ejection seats, underfunded military, basically like their arsenal was cheap and easy to break and and that's ultimately it ultimately reflected a lack of Respect for lives in the war.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: You know, and that's what they were trying to get at and that once, same, where you know they were, they were hyping everybody up.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: In that moment, man, I thought just that message alone, like the criticism of the past Through these characters who had lived through it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: It's so cool and yes.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: None of that even has to do with Godzilla, but like the fact they were able to tell that story in a Godzilla movie is, it gives me chills just thinking about it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: It was such a.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: The biggest thing about this movie was that I feel like the gods of the Godzilla moments were earned, yeah, and there were so well placed.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: You know Koichi, he, you know, obviously, post-war he's got Noriko and you know this foster, the foster child this all comes into his life and he's like reluctant about it, but it just kind of happens.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And this, you know he, he meets with Kenji, shiro and yoji and they're essentially on mine cleanup duty.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: This is where we get some like you know, I really love those three characters too, yeah, and you know it's yeah, they get like a really sucky job, a mine cleanup job.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: They're in a wooden ship and like even Koichi's like dude, we're really doing this and this.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: And it actually makes sense because it does the mines that they were cleaning up were.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Magnetic metal yeah.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: They were magnetic mines.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: So using a wooden boat with a wooden hole makes a lot of sense because you're not gonna be attracting the mines.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a cool concept and it's one of those jobs you wouldn't consider is like a necessary thing after.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even think about that.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: It makes total sense.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: It makes total sense.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: But I didn't even think that that was a job mine cleanup.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: But yeah, um, I really loved the jaws moment that we got the, the moment where they're fighting Godzilla in the sea, oh, and they're using the the mines.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: The mines bombs.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: that's really good oh dude, he was so scary in that moment, yeah, like I mean like how massive Godzilla was in that moment next to this little ship and I love how Yogi was essentially like the Japanese Quint yeah, he was.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: He was actually.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: That's a good point, and yeah, that moment, like dude it was, so it was such an intense moment, but and you're like, you're like man, like I, you know I don't want any of these guys to die.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you know Koichi was most likely would be the one to survive, but these other guys you don't know.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I there.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: There's Quite a few times where I was like surprisingly like laughing out loud, just like some of the realistic but, like I want to say, dated humor, you know, like something that you would see like in a jaws type movie, especially from characters like Yogi.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: When he says that, I forget exactly what he said, but it was something along the lines of like you know, we can, we can take him if we have to do it for our country, and then he sees Godzilla.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: He's just like never mind.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, dude, that was easy.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he totally like.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they were.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: It was in that moment where they go up to it's like a US Ship that got destroyed and they're there.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: It's like on like patrol duty for Godzilla and you know Koichi's like this is insane, why yeah?
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: This is a small ship.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way only.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Koichi knows what this creature is capable of, and it's not until that moment he sees that this creature's gotten a lot bigger.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: They were waiting for that, that warship, to come in, and I Feel like this is where this yeah, this is where we get the first glimpse of Godzilla's like true destructive power, where he had, you see, the His like atomic breath or his heat ray.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they call it heat ray in this one instead of yeah, which is interesting, but it's so scary like the atomic breath is like though.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: This is the scariest that I've ever seen the atomic breath.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: It was like a nuclear bomb going off yeah.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: And I loved that they kept us that, like the old sounds that it that he used to make back in the day, that old ray gun sound.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they kept that sound.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: What about one?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, dude, I was just like, oh my like.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I, like, I recognized it instantly Godzilla's theme, like, gave him that old Theme.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up because I I could have gone the whole thing and just not mention it, but like that is such an important part of Godzilla's DNA, is that that?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: That team the Da na na, na, na, da na na and it, you know it's so powerful and I was thinking about it at the day after.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: You know, like and I I compared the new Recording of that theme versus, like the 1954 version of that theme to like the 90s version of that theme and it's the same they don't change it.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: There's no reason to fix because it's not broken, you know.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: But meanwhile, like dr who every you know they have a franchise.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: It's now 60 years old.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Every couple years they redo the theme music.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: It's a very similar rendition, just different, different note or not different notes, but it's different Instruments and sounds that they add to it to make it new and fresh, but like the original.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: If you ever like, go back and listen to the 1963 original by Delia Derbyshire.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: It's so good like it is the best version of all of those dr who themes like why can they not realize Good something like the original themes is?
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah it's.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I was just so blown away when I heard that theme.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, like they, they brought it in and like it was so fitting for this Godzilla movie.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: It really felt.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I felt like this movie was Really an homage to the original.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah felt like, and it felt like an updated version of the original.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, you have Godzilla Coming and attacking the city and then when, when the tanks come through and they start attacking Godzilla, I was, like you know, it feels like very much so like the original.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: And when Godzilla uses the, his atomic breath, and like the aftermath of that dude, I was like, oh my gosh, like out of all the Godzilla's, like this is like the most destructive, like power, and I love the charge up, like hit this, the spikes on his back would shoot up as he was charging it up and it looks like when you saw that happening, you knew it was coming here.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Like oh man, this is, this is not gonna be good.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: But then, when it happened, you're like it left me like this, like like my mouth was like open, like oh my gosh, like it's, it's like so like crazy strong.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah and the fact that like he was like super strong, like he was tail-whipping everything.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: It was impressive.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so crazy.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: And then, yeah, it was when Godzilla was attacked.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I forgot the name of the Japanese city.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot it too but yeah, noriko was there.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Koichi goes there to save her because he just he knows he's seen Godzilla like a couple times now and they, they hear about Godzilla, he's like, oh my gosh, she's there cuz she's starting to work and in that moment, you know, it looks like she dies.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: She gets like knocked back by the like concussive blast.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this like nuclear.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: It was essentially a nuclear bomb that went off when Godzilla did that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a nuke?
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: It was crazy.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: And that's, I think, the scene where they they fully unleashed the Godzilla theme by yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Akira, if you could be the original, like Godzilla theme and it's so powerful, it's so good, it was so well placed.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: It was such a Strong moment like it yeah, you're right it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: This is where we got the theme Fully because this is.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Godzilla fully unleashed.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like we.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: We've only gotten little glimpses of Godzilla.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: You know they, they built up finally to, to, to his atomic breath, and you know it was like shooting through that ship and it was, and like when that happened I was like, oh my gosh, that's insane.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: But then when he like used like his full power on the on, like just the tank shooting at him, like in that general direction, I was like, oh, like, yeah, dude, like the full power, like you know him just stampeding and you felt it, you just felt it.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, you felt it and Godzilla was massive and it was really cool Get getting a Godzilla move.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: It was cool getting a Godzilla movie that really dove deep in the lives of you know the people that he's stampeding on.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's always kind of a staple in some ways that you know you're gonna get the point of view of the humans involved.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: They they've tried that to various success throughout the years and both like the Toho films as well as like the legendary Monster very stuff.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: But it's rare, if ever, that has ever happened to the degree that they've been able to accomplish with this movie.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: It's just right.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: It's just so good and like Godzilla.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Godzilla was like the overarching Theme of this movie or the overarching enemy of this movie, but it was like not the focal point of this movie.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't the main character.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I Mean yeah, that that onscreen presence don't get me wrong and I think it was Square Enix that that worked on this movie and brought Godzilla to life.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Did he looked good?
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Godzilla looked for CGI for CGI.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: That was a really good.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: They did a really good job on this Godzilla.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: From what I've heard, from what I've heard, it's only 35 guys on the VFX team, which is insane.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Imagine that for 35 guys with with Between 10 to 15 million like of a budget for the entire movie.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: So that's Everything from sets no rubber suits here.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: No rubber suits.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: That's pretty much all the effects, but like a lot of on set stuff, a lot of like a lot of actors, a lot of just secondary people on the background, a lot of Huge sets that were super believable.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Actually, I wanted to talk about you mentioned that this movie felt like an homage to the original yeah, 100%, and even like maybe not the original, but like over over the course of you know, the 69 years that Godzilla has been around, there have been certain things that are just iconic to the the monster, including the way that it screams like the month the the roar, like what?
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: If you hear Godzilla's roar and any Media, from America to Japanese, you know exactly what it is.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: You know it's Godzilla right, like you could hear it in an audio clipping and know that it's Godzilla's roar yeah, and it's same thing with like him powering up his, his Atomic breath, where it starts at like the base of his tail and it goes all the way up and it's like a.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And it's like an oscillating like crescendo effect.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: It's so cool.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I love that stuff.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: But yeah getting getting back to like it being an homage to 1954 is gojira, I think.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Oh well, I watched the movie for the first time the.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: The one and only time that I saw the movie was when it was re-released in black and white, and for me Can well.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was the only way that I saw it.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: For me that was the definitive version of the movie, because that's how I watched it for the first time.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: But can I just say that it was so Incredible like it felt like a 1954 movie.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: You know, like none of the dialogue was out of place.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: There were no like modern quips in the dialogue that made that took me out of the story.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: You know that you would get modern quips in stuff like Like if this, if this movie were made by legendary For the monster verse, there would be modern quips mixed in with the dialogue, basically like when yes.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: If you remember a Kong skull Island, you had John C Riley's character, lieutenant Marlowe or something like that, who has been like trapped on skull Island since the end of the world war.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: His humor is very modern.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like it's part of that 1973 world or world war two world basically.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: But with this movie, all the humor, everything that was in it felt realistic to the time period and, coupled along with the fact that it was in black and white, for me it looked and felt like it was a movie straight out of 1954, like that's how good the, the rendition or this movie is in black and white.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Like I was floored.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: It looked beautiful and it's not just like a desaturated version of it.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: They like upped certain Contrast, like people have compared like like trailer footage of, like the normal trailer and the black and white trailer and they've desaturated it so that it's black and white and like they've desaturated the Original like color trailer into black and white and it's not the same.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Like they clearly like upped the contrast and Just made it look more filmic for right.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: They like worked on it.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: They actually worked on it to make it look good.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, good dude, but I told you that but I had told you that, like so, I seen it in color.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: That's, that's the.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: That's what the showing was.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: It was in color, but I had said that it was the type of movie that I could see it working perfectly in black and white.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have seen clips and here and there of the color version and it looks great.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Obviously it looks.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful film it does.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: It should look great in color some of the things.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I want to see in black and white.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I'd actually like I was thinking of actually like getting this film, and I hope that they have both versions.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I hope so in black and white.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I hope so too.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Like, even Sometimes black and white makes a movie better.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like I don't know, if you ever watched Jack Snyder's Justice Lake, but he also released that in black and white and it was like a special version of black and white.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: It's not just a de-saturated version, they worked on it, like like this one.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I think it looks better than the original movie.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I think I think it looks better than like those acts nighters version of the movie I I that's that for me is a cooler version.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: So it's just kind of the same for Godzilla, minus one in this respect, although I haven't seen the color version yet.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: That said, there were a couple scenes that Were confusing for me to look at, because I couldn't tell what I was looking at without color.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: So when the fish were coming up in the beginning, like when the dead fish were popping up, could you tell immediately that they were dead fish?
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Like, did they look weird to you, or they did look weird.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like what is that Like?
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: It looked like body parts of something like okay, all right, so then maybe I did look kind of odd.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's a thing in general, because in black and white I thought they were like eyeballs, that were like coming to the surface.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: So I was like, what am I looking at?
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: They did kind of have like that like, like, like a fleshy look.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and at the end of the movie when we find out Noriko's alive and you know, they hug in the.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Then on the you know hospital bed, whatever you start to see like something like crawling up the like her, her neck, like it's like a virus on her neck.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think I noticed that.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, really, okay, yeah, oh.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Then I guess I was going to ask what color, what color the stuff was, because in my color, in my showing, it was just like pure black, like just crawling up her because they kind of like leaned into like her shoulder and there was like a sinister sound and they had that little bit of black coming up her neck, kind of like she was infected with something, basically.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of opened it up for a sequel, even though, whether or not this ever gets a sequel, I'm okay because it was a perfect movie, like it's so good.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: It was so good.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, they did open it up to a sequel because of the ending and because, god, with the whole Kamikaze moment well, not Kamikaze moment, but where Koichi crashes that experimental plane into the mouth of Godzilla, like right as he's like charging up his heat ray again it blows.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: It blows up Godzilla from like the inside out and kind of he kind of crumbles and goes into the sea.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: But this Godzilla and as we've seen a couple times in the movie, has regenerated like this, like really crazy regeneration.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they blow up this mind in his mouth early in the movie and his face is all blown up, but he regenerates.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what happens at the end of this film is that he starts to regenerate.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's definitely terrifying, because one thing about this Godzilla yeah how do you?
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: There's no way I mean.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: One thing about this Godzilla that I find particularly terrifying is that he had no motive.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: He was just pissed.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: He just went into town ready to rip roar and go.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: You know like he was evil Right.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: You know right.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like in the other iterations of Godzilla, godzilla was almost kind of like passing through the towns.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: He's like oh, you know, just make my way.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: And then like when people start reacting and shooting at him.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: That's when he would start like OK, well, I'm going to destroy you because you're bothering me.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: So the original Godzilla?
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: He was a monster, you know, like he was an actual villain.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: That and this, that's definitely what this film tried to emulate.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: You know, like it went back to the roots of the character.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: But after 1954, toho kind of realized, oh, there's money in this, let's, we got to.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: We got to figure out a way to like elongate this series, basically, and he ended up becoming some somewhat of like a protector of humanity or right, right and like they have, like that Dude, there's this like old cartoon, it's a Godzilla cartoon and they would like essentially summon Godzilla from the water by pressing this button and I guess it would send out this frequency and Godzilla would come out and destroy whatever it was.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: You know, that's awesome.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever watched that.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I can't even picture it, but that sounds like that sounds fun.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I'm noticing a long time ago, like when I was a kid yeah, that's dope.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Anthony, any last words on Gojira for our 69th episode here.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I mean if last words means that I have like another, like 30 minutes to say you know, um, no, no, no, um, dude, this was such a good movie.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch it again.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Dude, it's amazing.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I, yeah, I absolutely want to watch it again.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen like a good bit of Godzilla movies like throughout my life and I could easily say that this was like probably my favorite.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm pretty sure you have another favorite, but I loved it, this film, so much because it felt like it felt like such like a really it was a really well told Godzilla movie.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Like the story was really like just fleshed out.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: It had like a really good, like human story to it.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: There was a message behind it, like you said.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: There was, yeah, the you were talking about that it that they're essentially, you know, talking, looking down on like their bad history.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: It's just, if any of you all, like you know Godzilla movies and haven't seen this one because it's not connected to the monster verse, or that you're a casual fan of Godzilla and you're maybe thinking about it, definitely watch this movie.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: This movie really just blew my mind.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: It blew Dakota's mind, obviously, and, yeah, I'm definitely going to watch it and I'll probably see it in black and white.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I can't wait.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what you're thinking or what you thought about that, and I plan to watch it in color as well, just so that I could like a better picture altogether of this incredible film.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: It's, in my opinion, it's bar none, the best Godzilla movie you know.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Before we go, I just want to mention that my favorite line in the entire movie is when they have Shiro's character, the young fisherman character who wants to join them in the final battle against Godzilla.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: They tell him to stay, stay home, stay out of it.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: And you know he's he's fighting for.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: You know the opportunity to join them and Yoji goes not having gone to war is something to be proud of.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Right, right, and he's, you know, he, he's, yeah, he's frustrated that that, that they don't want him to go, and he's like, oh, you know, it would have been different had I gone to war.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: And, yeah, like he kind of stopped him.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: He's like, you know, don't, don't say that Not having gone to war is something to be proud of.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, such a powerful line, dude, it gave me chills when I watched.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I think I actually cried a little bit when he said that and like he's yelling at them as they're, as they're walking away to like let them come, dude, I was, I was like moved, I was really moved by that line.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: I think you have.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: You have to grade it on a curve a little bit, because obviously this could not exist without the 1954 film.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And that's a great film, Like in its own right, you know, and there have been plenty of great Godzilla films, but there have been just as many real stinkers, you know let's let's be honest.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, with Godzilla you have to grade on a curve a little bit because the budgets aren't going to be the same as American cinema.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: You have to realize like campiness comes in to the picture, like in a major way.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: You know, in the 60s and 70s and the 80s and more recently, like they've tried to go for a more Japan particulars tried to go for more serious movies.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: When it comes to Godzilla, and this is by far the best one.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just do.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's better than anything that Legendary is released.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think it's better than everything that Legendary is released.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Not to say that I'm not a fan of what Legendary has concocted with their universe that they have going on right now.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's cool what they have and I want them to continue that.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: But yeah, those are good action films.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Exactly, this was a good monster film.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: This is yeah, it's a different beast altogether, even though it's the same beast.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Literally it's a.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: It's a.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: It's a different beast literally, cinema wise.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: But like you know, I don't know.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: It felt like I don't know.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: It felt like Godzilla to me, like dude it just it was Godzilla, it is the quintessential Godzilla movie Guys.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to us here for our 69th episode of Project Geekology.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed it and hopefully we can get some more monster movie reviews out for you guys soon.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Anthony, what are we doing next?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Definitely no other.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: You know Godzilla movies because literally this is the only one that exists, maybe the OG one, but you know.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on, All right.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: So we've done.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: We've done a review of Godzilla 2014.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, I took that one down because it doesn't exist.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, it doesn't exist anymore.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Sorry guys, I'm just kidding Um.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: would you want to would?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: you want to do the 54 movie next.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Would you want to cover that?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I think that'd be cool.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: It's a different sort of like.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: While we're still in this mindset of just like yeah, absolutely Basking in this glory, when would one watch this?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I'll look it up right now.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Dakota.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Is that it?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: 1954.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: , On max.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I got a lot on here, actually Godzilla versus Geigen Mechagodzilla.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Dang dude, they got a lot, son of Godzilla, one of the stinkers that.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Yo, all right.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: So next week we're covering Son of Godzilla.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Um, no, we're covering, uh, gojira 1954.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Uh, so, stay tuned for that.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: That's gonna actually that's going to be a fun one.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: That's.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: That's a movie that Jen's wanted to watch for a long time, actually, so I can finally show her that.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: So this will be fun, guys.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Uh, thanks so much for listening to us here for our 69th episode.
• 1:02:14
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• 1:02:17
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• 1:02:25
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• 1:02:28
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