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Good evening, Happy New Year. We are back with episode 5 and
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we're all here tonight, Bill, Mike, Josh and myself.
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How you doing tonight Mike? Oh, I'm doing okay.
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I'm just enjoying a Sunday off before.
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Get back at it tomorrow. Josh, how are you been doing?
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Doing pretty good. I decided to after yesterday,
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I'm no longer going to be an RCA.
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I'm going back to regular, we had one of the two girls from my
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zone was all Friday yesterday and tomorrow, and helped out
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Friday and yesterday and after 8th at 7, something decided yet.
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Nope, I'm done delivered, all my packages and brought my,
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whatever mail I have from my route back, which is Just like
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an hour and a half of riding. And went in first thing this
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morning and yeah, just quickly ran that mail and in-game home.
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Bill Bill. How's your New Year?
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Been treating you. Oh, my god.
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Sunday delivery was at authorized, like, no wonder
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management has a shit fit with us.
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My New Year's been good yesterday.
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I was my dropped day, the schedule wasn't up, I didn't go
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in and I spent the day with my grandson.
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So it was a great day and Today, the Eagles, clinch, the NFC
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East. So it's even better and
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tomorrow, I go in and face the shitstorm for my route because
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nobody delivered mail on Saturday.
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So, and being as usual. Yeah, same here.
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I mean, going to be in as a non Sunday, Amazon office and we
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think Amazon's trying to catch up from the blizzards that hit
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the Midwest area and us. And so they've been extending
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their weekend, drop-off past the holiday next week.
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Will be our last Saturday Sunday drop off.
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So I did go in and run Amazon for the key route.
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I'm running tomorrow and the one that was running, we had two
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regulars and myself and the newer RCA who finally gets to do
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is OJT this week, come in and run.
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We ran all but two routes and the other one he ran his Big
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route, and decide and took my Ox route packages out with him as
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well. So tomorrow, depending on what
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the mail, truck brings us should be a fairly easy day.
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At least you were an inch was exciting in Wyoming.
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Oh yeah, I heard about that 13,000 packages.
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Yeah, that was with an estimated 120 packages for open our yeah.
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I mean they close to other branches to the public to bring
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the employees. Yeah.
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To the public, to bring the all the employees over to sort and
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delivered those packages. Yeah.
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Well, I saw that. That's just crazy to saving
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Monday night, Tuesday morning is when this happened.
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Yeah. Yeah, I know I saw that.
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I was like that is just insane. I couldn't imagine and I guess
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they had more trucks waiting to come in still too.
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From what I read, I don't know. The, I only saw the link to one
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article and I I don't know. I know what I want.
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It was local paper. When I walked back into my
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office yesterday, evening, when I got back off the routes, I
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noticed that there was now getting my, I have a smaller
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office compared to you. You three.
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So you know, 66 full routes and aux route and two-and-a-half
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City routes. I say two and a half because the
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ones an ox. So, when we have 39 ft tall,
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pallets of Amazon's sitting there for 10, Zip code and two
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other, almost full pallets for the other two zip codes, which
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are only the ones that code has one 48k and the other one has a
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43k in my Ox route. So, you know, that's quite a bit
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and they were coming in and dropping off more of the today.
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In fact, what they dropped off today wasn't nearly as bad, it
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was a couple small barely, I would say one or two rows tie
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for the Zip codes and then 14 and then just one palette for
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the main zip code. So she had those all broke down
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and I took everything out for the one route, that Iran today
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that I'm running tomorrow, I took everything out, except for
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the one business, the one shop, because obviously they're closed
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on Sunday. So they'll have three Amazon
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packages tomorrow. And then one other heavy One
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that I'd already taken for packages out in this, must have
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been on that other skid that she broke down because I had to stop
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and use the bathroom because, you know, coffee was kicking in
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and so I grab whatever. I'll grab two more packages that
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were still there. And I saw that one.
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I'm like I've already been to his house.
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He'll get it tomorrow and took off.
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So yeah, I literally have to Amazon stops tomorrow, so it's
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basically whatever comes off the truck that I'll have between the
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two routes. So that'll make my Monday a lot
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easier. Yeah we finally get to do some
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OJT the new sub that's been helping deliver, the package has
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the last few weeks. We finally get to train him on
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his route this week. We'll see how that goes and then
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I've got another one that will be in Academy this week.
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He Actually, applied back at the end of August, if hectic at tell
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you guys, anything, he was supposed to go to orientation
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this week week. We can well, not this past week,
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but the previous week, and as he was getting ready to leave to
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drive the two hours to orientation or postmaster, got a
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hold of him and told him, nope. It's been delayed because he
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wasn't on the payroll system yet.
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It took from the end of August, so now to get him hired and then
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delayed another week, because he wasn't in the payroll system,
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got that tank care about his orientation defensive driving
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and Shadow day and Lov. Trey this past week, goes to
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Academy this week and then I get to train him on his route, the
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following week, so that'll be fun.
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You just can't make this shit up and then R1 R1, C, CA because we
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have two full-time twofold routes and then an ox route on
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the city side. And we have two regular
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carriers, a PT F who's also training 204 B and one CCA.
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And of course he's not he's getting gypped on the hours
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because of the other three. So he we've been trying to
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trying to get him to come to the rural side for quite a while.
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Now and he told us today because he was in delivering packages
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that he is going to cross over to the dark side.
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But right after his vacation I said good, because the route
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you're going to want the one I'm running because she loves to
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take her time off. So that was actually kind of
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cool to hear that he actually is serious about jumping to the
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other side now. So that'll help out And then
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while I have one more K route that needs a sub but I can cover
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that one until then she's a Monday K day.
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Anyway, so So yeah, so isn't this interesting?
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What we were talking about previous 22 recording here is
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this many mail survey that National has yet to inform us of
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any delay moments yet? I know there's been quite a bit
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of talk and Facebook groups and other forums about, Words coming
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down from management about it being delayed and I got an email
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from my Dr. With training that starts at the starts, the 19th
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of this month through the second week of February.
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So, I guess without it still has not officially been announced.
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Are we surprised by any of this? No, not really, but it looks
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like training does start all stewards are going, that's what
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she was letting me know. She did call me to say hey I
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just want to make sure you got my email said yep.
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Yep. Yep to pick a date and location
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to go do the mini mail survey training that Management's going
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to receive. So when do you think we are
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going To get the official word on this guy's.
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Well. if you quote previous leadership, Past practice.
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It will be the week before, or it'll be probably next week,
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which is the week before the training starts.
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Now the left word that the count was supposed to start, which is
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about the week before training starts.
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Yeah, because I actually had read a Facebook group post where
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my state B vice president had made that he had gotten informed
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by his postmaster. Who had received an email,
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stating the training and the when it was actually going to
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happen and he then had to then had contacted a r Dr. And got
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confirmation on it yet, there is still been no word from National
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Your reason I know of such things is.
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The buddy of mine is a world UPS person for the district and he
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actually just got a promotion to National mapping, whatever,
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whatever, whatever. He told me, he told me, you know
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what the tentative dates were going to be and he actually is
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going. I think it's the Texas to get
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trained. Yeah, but don't tell to training
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management from what I understand on.
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Training's going to occur during Southwest area conference.
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From what I understand. Crickets guys Bell with the
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thing. That the things that frustrates
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me is we you know, is like you said we're hearing it from,
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We're hearing, you know, Facebook other Facebook groups
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and you know I'm hearing this from a guy I know.
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And that is what where is National leadership?
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Why isn't National leadership leading?
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We should be getting stuff? why aren't we getting
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announcements heal through the through the app to the website
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through something saying, hey and then, you know that the the
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mini mail survey has been rescheduled to the, you know,
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the last two weeks of February or whatever it is today or
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whatever the days are and No, the one that should be happening
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and then it does beg. The question they pushed the
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last one off because there was concerns of the transparency of
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the numbers of those issues been resolved yet because it's cold,
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I was told, yes, they have resolved that they have resolved
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that On getting those, those numbers that they were having
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concerns about implemented into the system, to get credited to
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each route. Okay?
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But then again, why aren't we getting told that, you know, we
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shouldn't. We shouldn't have to beg this
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from our, our Union, from our from our national leadership.
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They should be safe. They should be out front of.
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They should be out in front with this, you know, right.
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I think there would be a lot. There would be a bill, just
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saying there would be a lot less.
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Mission and a lot more support for this.
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If they were telling us what was going on every step of, you
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know, as this process goes on instead of treating us like
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mushrooms. Well it's just like they didn't
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tell you on some tip from September 2nd about Abby and
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push back to January February and now it seems pushed back
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even further and they haven't told you.
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They didn't tell you that your back pay would being pushed off
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into met 2023. But they fought for it because
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they didn't want to lose their election at the convention
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because if they do put that news out there, all their asses would
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have been out of there. Because it's politics.
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Yes, yes. Because we don't matter to them.
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Okay, so Pallets of Wyoming. I just posted in the general
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chat. A bunch of pictures and I look
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the date that I have in my in my photo gallery is December 4th of
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2019. This was my office at the time
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that was 60 plus containers whether it be cages bmc's a PCS
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pallets The acid to get worse. That's all Parcels.
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That's a lot of parcels. Yeah it was I want to say that
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that was a RI say that I have re saved them in December of
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nineteen said, that was actually from a blizzard That came
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through just before Valentine's Day.
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When Valentine's Day was on a Saturday.
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And even up in New York because of that, even up in New York,
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they couldn't deliver the back. They like flower, deliveries
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couldn't get through, it was so bad.
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And this was actually the Tuesday night after we had 60
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packets, 60 containers, and then the following night at 6 p.m.
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when I They still had 60 containers to work because
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whatever they had thrown off, they gotten back the trucks and
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dropped off that much more. Yeah, it's saying, I mean,
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looking at what we've gotten just making up for and we know
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the stuff was when you know, to be delivered Before Christmas
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because we've been getting comments from customers as we're
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delivering going. This was supposed to be here
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before Christmas and really get. We can't deliver it, but we
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don't have it. Yep.
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Well, we had better weather work, we had better weather
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where I was at. So I haven't seen a lot of
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stuff. I don't think we had a lot of
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stuff to land and judging by the amount of parcels we pushed out.
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I don't think we were delaying anything at least in my office.
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So, we had a few few light days just before Christmas.
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And then, you know, it was light and then it's kind of come in
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spurts. My leg and on your guys, isn't.
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Yep. Long as not just me you know
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it's not just you Bill Lord. Yeah there's been email surveys
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that that's just icing on the cake, isn't it?
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Yeah it is I mean yeah you talking ten years we're going
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into the 11th year of Rex. Yeah.
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And it's still not done yet and and it's been pushed back at
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least another 30 days because Garantia, we won't have our
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training before the end of January.
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So, how you gonna do it, you know, and until that time, are
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they gonna do it District by District or state by state?
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What what are they going to do? As far as doing the survey as
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soon as soon as everybody's trained?
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I mean Jesus that's what I don't get this really don't.
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And that's what it's looking like.
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From when I was looking at the schedule that I have, like I
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said, we were talking off the Record.
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Um, I you know, I I, I like I gave you guys who your District
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trainers are on both. The USPS and Union side of
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things and that training schedule goes all the way up to
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middle February and then make updates just in case it's
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needed. So I'm going to, I'm not going
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to necessarily say assume, but I'm going to guess that they're
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going to have all the stewards and they want all the stewards
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and management trained within a week before it actually starts.
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Yeah, I just don't just trying to find a way to say this.
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I mean, I mean it's I think on the one hand, it's good that
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they're, you know, at least getting the training done.
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At least our Union side is getting, at least something at
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least their training on it. You know, II there's the
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frustration that it's being, it's being pushed back again.
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It's taken 11 years. I know all that.
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I understand the frustration with All that believe me I'm
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frustrated too because I would like to get, you know, some sort
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of evaluation of my route again just to make sure that the
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evaluation is accurate. And you know, I worry Well, not
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worry. But you know in my office we
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lost FSS and over 20 of our routes went overburdened and
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they got, you know, routes got cut new routes got created.
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And this that we're supposed to We were supposed to have at
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least on my side of town. We were supposed to have our
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route squared up and you know, Rex has pushed that back.
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So I would like to, you know, find out what my you route is
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going to look like on my You said that, you got rid of that's
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and then they adjusted your routes.
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Well, all the routes went up after your F, went up after a
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fast. So yeah, I went from a 43 to a
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45 after after we lost FSS. But did they do adjustments?
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After the FSS was pulled? No, there's no good night.
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The way you said it sounded like that.
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You got all bumped up and then they adjusted yet.
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Well, No, yeah, no, no route adjustments, nothing.
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You know. Like like but you know, we had
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like, you know, we had like aurochs are 1 Ox route between
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the two offices, became a regular route, and then they
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established another Ox route on our side and it became a regular
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route and then they established Then they established another
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aux route on our side and then they added like an 800 unit
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apartment condo complex on it. So it's a regular route now and,
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you know, they established a couple of small routes from the
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end they made, you know. So all the routes got bigger,
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but they're but at least on our side of town they were supposed
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with with the the route that got the big apartment complex.
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There. They management was going to,
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you know, quote Square bar routes.
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And my understanding was that big apartment complex was going
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to start shoving, everything North.
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So a lot of folks were going to be getting new.
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We're going to be getting new territory.
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And, but at the same time, we're going to have a lot of routes
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not crossing over each other anymore.
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So, But all of the tracks, put all of that on hold.
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So so what waiting for all of that to happen at Sea than how
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than how everything falls out? Well, I don't know about the any
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of the other state actions had up SS, but I can tell you, the
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are three routes that were on FSS.
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Went up somewhere between 60 and 70.
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Some minutes standard hours. I went up 64, standard minutes,
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the other two routes for both 45s there.
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Now, 46 has So I'm not sure what their actual, you know, how
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many, how much actual time they gain, when it went away on New
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Year's Eve. Hey Bill, well, I want K 44 to
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akb48 on the verge of an 49, I was just gonna say.
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Now, what did you do? Because I know you called me
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that one day when I was out on the route, to let me know how
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much you do it. Yeah, I jump four steps and it's
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like yeah and we had H routes become K routes.
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Which kind of which kind of pissed them off because they
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were high agents and now, they're low.
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Ches, yeah. They look like five or six
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thousand dollars. Hey, but they got a Yeah, you
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need a carrier. Well, the worst part of it is
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that we have to redo the entire Matrix, okay.
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And we have a supervisor has a hard time picking out what sauce
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she wants from Chick-fil-A. So good luck on that, huh?
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Yeah. So we have now to get our
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resident rule, carrier specialist who read it around
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several years ago and put 24 houses at the end of a K, 46
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route, which is four and a half miles away from the end of the
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K, 46 route. So now it's technically a k-50
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calf, strap, SS wet. And he's going to redo the
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formula. I have plenty of faith in postal
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management. I'm telling you. so, back to do,
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we all Back to Rex. I would say with Mike's, I was
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in with Mike's concern there with You know is evaluation you
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know wondering his evaluation is a good segue to what someone had
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a you know Chris has written it commented on your post earlier
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about what should we discuss. Yeah this is the importance of
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the scans and the being part of the, of the job description.
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Yes. There are six mandatory scans
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that you are required to do each day.
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But those, what actually Four. Totals possible scans for
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various credit. Yeah I am notorious for getting
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for forgetting the postage due scan that I will admit I am at
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Aureus forgetting forgetting that one but I do know you know
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this is out for the RCA's. I'm going to make a little RCA
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get on my Podium here for a moment as an RCA I have been
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around. Around just over eight years
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now. I've been through the old mail
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counts. I started in a study office for
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Rex. And then I have in return, was
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help trained. My office as a local Steward on
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these wrecks cans, These scans are important.
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These scans are your pay. Now, I know we have been
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preaching. This the four of us all along
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for, for, for quite a long time now.
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As an RCA, I get it. If you're in one of those
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unicorn offices, that's fully staffed.
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And I might call that a unicorn office, because they're a dime,
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a dozen right now. You know, there's very few fully
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staffed office is out there at the moment and I get it, you may
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not be working all, but one day a week, Or you may be helping in
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other offices to get the extra hours.
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I know I've been there in the in the past.
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These scans are your pay. That Rowdy evaluation is your
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pay regardless of how often or not often you run a route or
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whatever route it is. I cover all the route to my
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office. I do those scans that I can
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remember. On every route. and, It's, it's
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important. I have heard of, you know, I
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mean I get some of those Skins are not quite Prevalent. but, Or
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seem like a waste of time, but yeah, they need to be done.
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They are important. In regards to unscannable
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Parcels, I know that's a big one.
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Flats are not unscannable parcels If you have a flat,
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that's counted as a flat and you have to take it to the door,
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that's a door miscellaneous. If you have a A parcel and
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actual parcel that doesn't have a scan.
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Its metered that's an unscannable parcel.
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If you have one that you can't, the barcode has been ripped off.
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That's an unscannable parcel, something like that isn't on
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scannable. Parcel.
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A flat is a flat. If you have to take it to the
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door for whatever reason, it's under door, must go.
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Lanius And hold on. I'm going to pause this.
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And we'll be right back. Okay, and we're back in and what
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we were talking about is the importance of the Rex scans,
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especially for RCA's. So, okay, you guys here and me a
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little bit better now. Am I lagging far?
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Okay, all right, where I was going out with that, I'll just
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edit it out the first part, whatever.
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But Rex scans, they are important, your evaluation, your
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pay even as an RCA. Is based on the evaluation of
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that route. So yes, you will.
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It is important. No matter if you're a regular
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and RCA, you are running a PT F, you are running a route.
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Those scans are important to that route that you repay.
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We were going with the unscannable parcel.
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Clarifications now bill, I want you to hop in and correct me if
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needed, but unscannable Parcels are just that, that is a parcel.
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A parser All not a flat that doesn't is unable to scan,
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whether the barcode is destroyed, or it's a metered
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parcel or its a prepaid first class, parcel that doesn't have
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a code on it. That's not scared of a parcel.
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If it is a flat that doesn't because it's rigid and doesn't
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or photos, you know, we get school photos, team photos,
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pictures, in flat that are flats.
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They're counted as Flats then need to go to the door because
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their mailbox so small and they don't fit in there.
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That is a door Miska lanius. Am I correct bill?
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I'll disagree with you on that. Okay on this base.
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Okay, on this basis. If something like the the school
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pictures the diploma comes in a tub, it can be considered a flat
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and you can deliver to the door as a door miscellaneous.
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If they are thrown in your hamper with your Parcels, we
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count them as parcel there. Yeah.
32:30
That there you go to Okay, if you have the a semi-rigid,
32:37
oversized calendars or, you know, what do you call those?
32:47
Fundraising items like from the Indian tribe, the Veterans
32:50
Administration and stuff like that.
32:53
They are considered unscannable Parcels if they're in your
32:56
hamper. Now mine will come in the flat
33:01
case nine times out of ten Well, okay, six times out of 10, they
33:10
come out and come in our hampers, okay?
33:12
Yeah, we do. If you could not sit, if it was
33:39
rigid and you could not case it without affecting the mail that
33:43
was already in the case. It would be considered a parcel,
33:49
does that rule still in effect that rule still in effect of?
33:53
It does not fit in that one inch or, you know slot then?
33:56
Yes, that's still in effect. If it doesn't fit in with the
34:00
male, Okay. Because I was going to say, I
34:06
get a mix sometimes sometimes I'll get a tub with some of
34:11
those items that bill was talking about.
34:13
In, in the same day, I'll have some of those same items in my
34:17
parcel cage. So, but as like, but I'm like
34:22
Bill. If it's I'm of the opinion that
34:25
if it's in my parcel cage, it's a parcel.
34:28
And that's how I treat it. Okay?
34:32
So, Hypothetically speaking. What say reports come across a
34:38
number 10 envelope without a scan on it and they put it in my
34:45
hamper. Can I then scan that us and
34:48
unscannable parcel when I get to that address?
34:56
Wonder what it would say. Yes.
34:59
They handled it as a parcel. Hmm.
35:02
I would, I would say yes I would say that yes to as same with the
35:08
packages of checks that come in without the scan code that get
35:14
thrown with the partials. It's coming out of your parcel.
35:19
Hamper your head. Yep.
35:22
To me, though. We don't know where they'll
35:26
often throw bundles of pre-sorted catalogs in there.
35:31
And if we count that as a parcel, yeah, if it's in the
35:38
hamper, it's a parcel. Yeah, what about taking?
35:43
Hold mail back. And now the past.
35:46
Now in past counts, when you had a hole that was going back, you
35:51
got a partial credit for that. Yeah, it's the same way when you
35:56
get a small little flat envelope, plastic envelope with
35:59
a bar code on there. You know, you get credit for his
36:02
scam. Why should you get credit for?
36:04
Yeah. Everything else in that hamper?
36:08
This is why I'm going to be interesting.
36:11
I think what? I think they've gone.
36:15
I think when they first came out with the rec scans or the Rex
36:19
guide, if you have to take it to the door because it's too much
36:26
for the Box, they said that was door miss, right?
36:32
That was the and that was the only thing I ever heard with
36:38
clearly of what was door miscellaneous.
36:41
Yeah but I thought the ruling you finish something.
36:47
I'll make my pulse a microscope that that was the only thing
36:50
that I personally have ever heard.
36:53
As a specific example for door miscellaneous email with more
36:59
than seven pieces that did not have or a eight pieces that did
37:03
not have something that was scanned anyway because if it has
37:07
something that scanned anyway you're going to the, you know,
37:10
when you're scanning it and you're going to put where you
37:12
left it location anyway, you know, So you would leave it at
37:18
the door so you getting the wall credit.
37:21
But to your point I never I never saw anything that said a
37:24
specific piece count but I thought they went originally and
37:28
said if you if you're taking out a bundle of hold mail that you
37:32
got to take a credit for an unscannable parcel on that
37:37
regardless of whether or not you had anything in it and then they
37:40
came back later and said, no, you don't get.
37:43
In fact, they think the wrecks guide right now says that you
37:45
don't get credit for a Soil. And it's been so long since I've
37:50
looked at the Rick's guide lyrics.
37:51
QA I'd probably have to dust it off again and take a look at
37:54
that but I think they say now that you don't get a parcel
37:58
credit just for taking hold mail out.
38:02
Yeah, because I do believe under the informed delivery, you're
38:06
still getting credit for that box.
38:07
That day. That's on hold if they receive
38:11
mail. But if they have the parcel with
38:16
them old male, then you get the miscellaneous door and the
38:20
parcel to the door. No.
38:22
Yes, it is it? Yes.
38:25
Yeah. Because okay.
38:28
Because when you do a hold mail and you have a parcel with it,
38:33
okay? You scan the mail parcel as
38:36
being customer. Hold correct.
38:39
Yes, I do. Yes.
38:40
Okay, so your actual delivery is when you take the whole mail and
38:44
the parcel to the door. I'll write in here.
38:49
Yeah, to separate. You calling it two separate
38:51
things. Okay?
38:52
Yeah, okay, yeah. I could buy that, I hope so.
39:00
Now, how does anybody anybody else come up with offices Now?
39:04
Using the scanners. Is there clock in method for
39:07
City side? No clear.
39:10
Now, no, no, what? No?
39:22
on Facebook saying something that they are no longer giving
39:25
them, which is Against. There's nothing saying it's yep.
39:30
It's nothing saying they've gone away yet right now.
39:35
The last I heard the Union's. You know the position of the
39:39
Union was that the 4240 is? This is still the official title
39:44
of the document controlling time.
39:48
Now we have notes all over that. Say your times must match.
39:56
Well, that's the only thing. I the only thing I worry about
40:02
matching. I know that my clock in and
40:08
clock out times match, whether or not my depart to the route
40:13
and returned to deliver unit, times match, what I put in the
40:16
4240 is Up in the air. Well.
40:27
Because of all the scans, I have a of all the scans I have
40:30
trouble with the one. I forget most frequently is
40:35
departure out. I'll be halfway down that.
40:38
I'll be halfway up to the two mile dead head to the beginning
40:42
of my route. Sash, I didn't do R8.
40:46
Now, I go ahead. I don't have an issue with the
40:53
six, mandatories. In-N-Out are out and back from
40:59
lunch. I keep missing those I even
41:03
took. My neighbor has a label maker
41:09
and I printed out or different labels.
41:12
This is clock to lunch and posted the, you know, and stuck
41:16
them in different spots on my case and still yet know, Write
41:22
down 30 minutes on my 4240 every day regardless of how long I
41:26
actually take because at the end of the week it averages out to
41:30
about that, you know that long anyway.
41:32
Postage due is my, I'm notorious for forgetting that one.
41:38
Has anybody been told that they meet for the reason that I don't
41:46
get them like hardly ever? All right.
41:51
Yeah. We get a lot.
41:54
We don't get them because our clerk, we don't have any Clerk's
41:57
recording them so they just hand them to you walk away.
42:02
Yeah yeah same thing with certified and express mail and
42:07
read more, most of our we don't, we don't, we don't
42:23
they bring them after they saw them, they bring around to the
42:27
case and drop it off. Yeah, there's no such animal
42:33
clerk anymore. But I haven't signed for opposed
42:38
to do or a certified in at least two years, maybe three.
42:43
Hmm. And when I do get to post it
42:45
when I do get something that says post is due. 90% of the
42:50
time. It doesn't say, how much?
42:52
Yeah so and I've I've gotten to the point where I'll say, you
42:58
know, how much is this Sport and I won't get it, the package back
43:03
for one more letter, envelope package, whatever it is back for
43:07
like almost a week and 50% of the time when I get it back, it
43:14
still doesn't have an amount. So Mike, I just deliver it.
43:19
Well, do what? I did to one of my customers
43:21
that I know really well, and I took a postage due to the door,
43:25
and I told my seventh postage due here, he says, oh, how much
43:28
and he's reaching his pocket and I said $104, and 63 cents.
43:33
He said, what the fuck and I said look I just will wanting to
43:37
see how much you willing to pay for this.
43:39
Okay. You really are an asshole.
43:51
I didn't get it right away. But, you know, I don't have the
44:02
by Crown Royal for the rest of the year though.
44:05
That's nice. Good for you.
44:09
Yeah, I don't know whether my customers like me or not but you
44:13
know, they're going to make me make sure I'm an alcoholic for
44:15
the rest of my life. Is anybody else getting
44:19
threatened with discipline? If they miss any of these six
44:22
required scans I have heard of it at my office.
44:30
I personally haven't heard of, you know, it in my station, but
44:36
I know talking to other people locally a while ago, they were
44:41
told they'd have to go on the Telecom and explain to the
44:44
postmaster, why they missed it. like in the next, you know, day
44:49
or two after But I did everything.
44:54
Recently, I've had two carriers, get letter of warnings for
44:58
missing scans. The one was asked, and that was
45:03
the parcel was on their case when they came back.
45:07
And nobody was there to tell them to take it back out so you
45:09
know, they just scanned it in the office, you know, as not
45:16
attempted the other one that cost the carrier's, hand it in
45:20
the office. As being customer hold and they
45:24
gave him a letter of warnings and I just sat on them and
45:26
Saddles that on well then one day the supervisor did a what do
45:31
they call that? The Integrity scan on a parcel
45:35
on a parcel for Me. And I went and print it out the
45:41
Integrity scam this, the tracking number.
45:43
And it says 427 package receives in Westchester, which was funny
45:49
because I clocked out at 4:22, So I turned around and took the
45:57
Integrity scans and the letter of warnings went in the PM's
46:01
office, I said I want these letters thrown out.
46:05
Isis. If I don't get these thrown out
46:07
Isis, I'm going to cause more shit than you can.
46:09
Possibly imagine. What will you can't use that
46:12
against me? I said, try me now has a mixed
46:16
day. He had, he had them removed from
46:19
their file now, has anybody been threatened for missing?
46:22
One of the six required Rex cans?
46:26
Not threaten, but informed, okay.
46:29
Now, I don't think, I don't know that far in my office, well,
46:34
this is come. Down from above postmasters and
46:40
I did find out that if someone does receive discipline and they
46:48
grieve it as they should any and all discipline you hear that you
46:51
contact, you Union, steward you grieve it.
46:56
That if management if these Steward cannot get it.
47:02
Sustained and completely tossed out that they are to appeal it
47:08
and go to step 2, because National wants tracking of these
47:15
carriers that are getting disciplined for missing one of
47:20
the required six wrecks cans. So if you give management that
47:30
doesn't agree and they want to disappoint on it and they say,
47:34
nope, that's what I was told. This is what we're going to do,
47:38
peel it up to step 2. As we would anyone see anything
47:45
on that? This came down from this was in
47:49
the steward, Zoom training, Thursday.
47:56
No, I miss my last stewards training because we didn't have
48:00
enough people for me to get me and, and the ADR.
48:05
Now, this was just in the zoom training on Thursday with
48:10
Bridget and surely the one they wouldn't let me on.
48:14
Yeah. That one.
48:18
Did you sign up ahead of time? No.
48:22
Yeah, I signed up for it. He just didn't have your link,
48:26
will let me in, huh? There's like my family reunions.
48:33
Yeah. But honestly Guys these
48:37
scanners, they technically there is documentation out there that
48:40
they they are to not discipline based on scanner data and Rex's
48:45
scanner data. I know there be times where
48:50
people will scan something, you know, and out depart to route
48:53
and in load start load and it doesn't go through.
48:57
And that's you know and they they know they did it so that
49:03
scanner data people fight it. I say that again.
49:15
Yep. What I did find out.
49:19
It was a while back was if you miss a scan of those six
49:27
required, it puts it in as a zero percent for the day.
49:33
Now, I heard if you don't, it doesn't count any of the sex.
49:39
If you accidentally do a double skin, it just bumps.
49:44
The one are, they interacting bump that one skin out and it's
49:49
just a percentage. Hmm.
49:57
What I heard was that if you screw up this dance, they threw,
50:00
they throw it out and because you will develop an average over
50:05
the because this is going to be a 52-week average or rolling
50:08
average. So if you screw up a few scroll
50:12
up, ask and they'll throw it out.
50:14
And you get what your average is for that day.
50:17
Yeah, that's what I don't get. What the big deal is if you miss
50:20
a scan one day. We now have tracking sheets on
50:26
all our clipboards. It's a management used to have
50:28
every day for if we, you know, to fill in if we missed a scan
50:32
or not, Yeah, it's weird. I just don't understand this
50:38
this, the wider, you know, still going right to discipline over
50:42
something that should just be a job.
50:44
You know, should be a, they call it a like, oh, dangerous for
50:51
informal discussion. Yeah, thank you.
50:53
There you go. Well, like like with my carriers
50:57
being late, you know, you know, three minutes.
50:59
Eight minutes, seven minutes. Yeah.
51:02
Well, we're getting pressure from District, you know, I don't
51:04
give a fuck, you know. What would you rather have a
51:07
tardy employee or an absent one? Because to the carries, you got
51:13
disciplined for tardiness called out the next day.
51:17
That's their mentality. So you know, you you reap what
51:21
you sow. Yeah.
51:25
You got you want to do? You want to play Petty Addie?
51:27
Shit. That's what they can be pettier
51:29
and and you know we are Supervisor was on vacation last
51:34
week, we never missed her. The postmaster was on vacation
51:36
for 10 days, we never missed them.
51:39
We can do without you you need us.
51:41
Yeah. Yep.
51:43
You know our Postman is short of it.
51:46
My postmaster you're lucky to see him see here.
51:48
They're more than two and a half days a week.
51:51
I'm not going to say lucky but that's about all she is there.
51:56
Nope. that's pretty good luck, then The post office could still
52:04
run with the carriers. In our business.
52:08
Yeah, in our office, we have 100 plus employees.
52:12
And if you gave me to Clarks one rule and to City carriers, we
52:19
could run the office better than we have with the five
52:23
supervisors. And the postmaster, we have And
52:27
we have no formal training. Yep.
52:32
You want to do your paperwork and reports?
52:34
Go ahead and do that. Stay the fuck out of our way
52:37
though. We know what has to move when it
52:40
has to move how it has to move. I mean, you know, we've been
52:45
doing this long enough, folks, we know how to get the product
52:48
out the door. That's a shame because with
52:54
your, we have such piss poor management and the people were
52:57
going in the management of the ones who just don't want to
52:59
carry mail anymore. That doesn't make them good
53:01
management people. At all.
53:05
No people skills. No, you know what, even with
53:09
formal training, they still suck at their jobs.
53:13
Out of people end up with no paychecks, you know, after
53:16
working two weeks. Yeah, yeah.
53:20
How do people end up, you know, the serve on a route for six
53:24
months but yet they don't have any annual or sick leave
53:28
accumulated. It's not hard folks to somebody
53:31
works there drop day and they put R3 R5.
53:35
That means they should get paid not that he should be charged
53:38
for it. It's it's not that hard but
53:44
when, you know, when I come back at the end of the day and I come
53:48
into my office, my empty equipment and I'm cleaning up my
53:50
case and everything. The last thing I should be here
53:53
is three women over here, chattering and laughing and
53:55
everything else. Like, you know, they're at a
53:59
shopping spree, okay. Just have a good old time.
54:03
How about checking the carriers were coming in?
54:05
Okay, how about checking the vehicles, how about checking the
54:08
parcel distribution for the next day or the spreading of With
54:11
your late-night clerks. How about looking in on the
54:14
people doing dispatch? How about getting off your fat
54:17
asses and walking the floor? Because you can't supervise from
54:22
a chair. A florist Supervisor has the
54:25
walk, the floor, period. But when you're carrying two
54:31
small people in your back pocket because your ass is so big and
54:36
you sit there and Page all damn day, just what you're not going
54:39
to get anything done. That was my rant.
54:48
Girl, a blonde monster a while. Thank you.
54:53
Another one at 15 minutes. Either pull, the shitter pool.
55:05
Rants has anybody else heard about the 10-day thing with
55:12
boxes and going vacant after 10 days.
55:21
Going vacant. I mean I've if a part other than
55:26
holding it for, if a box doesn't receive mail in 10 days, then
55:33
you have to go back, pull the mail and then return it in.
55:37
Mark that box vacant, 10 days. Now, if I'm right every other
55:42
documentation we work under, says, 90 days.
55:49
Now, the only 10 day rule that I have in regards to the male is,
55:52
if they don't take the mail out, and then you hold it and give
55:56
them a letter saying, they have 10 days to pick it up before
55:59
it's returned. Ya know, is that when you're
56:02
using it with no, I think I'm going to ask for a copy of that
56:07
email from my poem because I was not there for the service talk
56:11
it was done before I came in for my Ox route.
56:16
But I have seen reports on it as well.
56:20
Or other in groups to will have to inquire about that.
56:29
I haven't heard anything in regards to attend a And it is.
56:35
So what you're saying is that Rex is automatically?
56:40
The systems automatically converting a box to a bacon Fox.
56:44
If they haven't received mail for 10 days in a row
56:47
technically. Yes.
56:51
And you are supposed to then pull, whatever males in there,
56:53
and either forwarded on, or send it back, which is incorrect
56:58
because especially in seasonal areas where we have people that
57:03
have their cottages, and they get their cable bill, or they
57:07
are electric bill, they get one piece of first-class mail within
57:11
every 45 days as it should to remain active.
57:17
But at that's all they're getting then that's going to be
57:19
considered a vacant box, that's not right.
57:24
No. Yeah, that's inquire about that
57:28
one. I haven't heard I haven't heard
57:30
that in my area. Yeah, check that out.
57:36
That's sketchy. It is and exactly who they are.
57:45
Yeah, I'm going to talk to the supervisor in the morning and
57:48
see if I can get a copy of that email.
57:51
And if I have to put a formal RFI and I will I just won't be
58:01
able to ask this week. But yeah, I think it's all a
58:10
bunch of others to do. We all just know, I'm like,
58:15
trying to find where I've seen somebody else mention it.
58:19
It's just, it's going to be interesting and I'm actually can
58:22
I say, I'm actually kind of looking forward to the mini mail
58:27
survey training, just to see what actually comes out of it.
58:35
Yeah, it'll be interesting. Like I said, you know, I have a
58:42
supervisory gets confused by the, you know, sauces that she
58:47
gets from Chick-fil-A lights and this is sort of a really
58:50
Challenger, I mean, Jesus, okay, here it is.
58:54
I, it was a know, the rural mail talk Forum, this kind of gun, it
58:58
goes along with, I don't have my sheet on me, it's in the car.
59:02
Also, with the edit books, I mean yeah, we all know we're
59:05
supposed to keep them updated monthly but now this Well I
59:10
don't have my sheet with me, I'll have to send the car like I
59:14
said but here it goes. This is a post off of Royal Mail
59:17
talk Forum this past week. The postmaster, informed us that
59:21
the red book has to be updated month along with the 4003.
59:25
Also that if a box holder, if a box doesn't get first class
59:30
mail. And also, if that first class
59:33
mail is not removed in 10 days, that is considered vacant.
59:42
And I'm going to tourist town and are some are a lot of snow
59:44
birds are gone, you know, we get a lot of what in a winter.
59:49
For instance, my area in the winter, a lot of people are gone
59:53
and they have their summer cottages up here.
59:56
Doc, you're talking about Snowbird.
59:59
Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot different
1:00:04
than somebody doesn't get their meal out of their box for.
1:00:06
Yeah. But yeah.
1:00:09
But I've got people cluster boxes.
1:00:11
It don't do it in 10 days but basically, well, this is just
1:00:14
talk about the area there in, but it's just basically if they
1:00:17
don't routinely get first class mail like on a weekly basis and
1:00:22
if if they do get it once in a while and if they haven't
1:00:26
cleaned out their box within 10 or, you know, I haven't pulled
1:00:29
it out within 10 days and it's supposed to removed and marked
1:00:32
by It I get it being in a seasonal area, what they're
1:00:37
saying on that? Because like I said, we do have
1:00:40
people that have their their second homes up here and they
1:00:44
may come up once a month. Check on the house, clean out
1:00:47
their mailbox and go and they only get the local bills for
1:00:51
that house in that box. So why what are they going to do
1:00:56
about people? You know, with 98% of our mail
1:00:59
as junk mail anyway and he only bills are some people are
1:01:03
getting our are you know utility bills or cake.
1:01:06
Yeah. Well you know VA bill or
1:01:08
something like that once a month.
1:01:10
So yeah, there's your you know 20 other days in there that they
1:01:13
could be considered vacant. Yeah, I know Mass rule I know
1:01:19
there is a push especially in my area by our poem or Emppu,
1:01:25
however, you want to call it that they, you know, he doesn't
1:01:29
want growth on these routes at all.
1:01:31
He the smaller the better. Yeah, and that's what happened
1:01:36
in the last official mail count in 2018, and as we had one route
1:01:42
that lost for hours because the supervisor, who was, oh, I
1:01:48
seeing at the time counted every pill packet as a flat God, your
1:02:00
If it doesn't fit in, we wanted a lot.
1:02:05
It didn't matter. She cousin Mall as I do now?
1:02:12
We had the station manager at the time.
1:02:16
Took one of those pill bottle, you know, than weight bag for
1:02:19
the pill bottles, press it between his knees, took the blue
1:02:23
stick. Put it over there and screams
1:02:26
across the work room floor. It's off what?
1:02:32
Wow, that you should explain to him that he's not allowed to
1:02:35
mangle male manipulate the mail and changed any physical aspects
1:02:39
of the mail. That's considered damaged.
1:02:43
This is also a route that is also a partial heavy and it was
1:02:47
two weeks after the last male count, that Amazon came into
1:02:52
this office into my office, that I'm currently at.
1:02:55
So that tells you anywhere, where am I routes?
1:02:58
Are at right now. Oh yeah, that takes me right
1:03:06
back to September when we were supposed to have them in email
1:03:08
survey. Yeah, because as of as of today,
1:03:13
we have now Served five years of Amazon bullshit.
1:03:16
Without getting credit for it. Exactly, here's your that
1:03:20
national board. You hear that five fucking years
1:03:26
that I've lost money and then you had covid on top of it.
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The pandemic levels of packages which were, which were like
1:03:35
Christmas level packages and some most, you know, in a lot of
1:03:39
offices that never died down a little bit, but, But that became
1:03:44
our Norm. Doing twice as many packages on
1:03:48
a daily, that what our routes were evaluated for from the last
1:03:51
male count. So they don't know, we have
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Christmas on top of it and holy hell.
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There's a reason why I worked 160 hours in three weeks people.
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Let me give you a personal insight into this whole
1:04:08
situation when covid started and everybody started ordering
1:04:11
things online. It created a two-way drama.
1:04:15
Yeah. The fact that people realize how
1:04:18
easy it is to get stuff ordered online and delivered to your
1:04:21
door. But today when we my wife and I
1:04:25
went shopping, we were looking for Tylenol, for for the baby.
1:04:29
So when he comes over here, we have baby Tylenol.
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They didn't have any in the store.
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But when you come home and order it online, it's available will
1:04:39
be to you in three days. And the problem that that
1:04:42
creates is that the reason it's not getting to the store is
1:04:45
because they're shipping so much from off-site that the
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brick-and-mortar stores aren't getting refilled replenished
1:04:54
because everybody shipping it online.
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So, you know, it's kind of like a double-dip.
1:05:03
The fact that you can't find it, what you wanted to store,
1:05:06
because they're shipping it online.
1:05:07
They're shipping online because we found out through the covid,
1:05:10
pandemic that we can get it through the mail, the UPS FedEx
1:05:15
and everybody else. And this is, this is what's
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driving the damn, yo, stores to go to go out of business because
1:05:22
of the fact that they can't get the product.
1:05:24
Because of people who manufactured are still busy,
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shipping it through online sites.
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They don't have time to refill the brick and mortars.
1:05:35
Exactly. Oh by the way eggs are 599 a
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dozen 599. A dozen of eggs.
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I'm going to start buying from my local posted.
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I'm going to start buying my eggs from my local farmers on my
1:05:50
routes. I saw someone to things in
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regards to eggs, posted it was a side.
1:06:01
The one was a side-by-side of, you know, two different stores
1:06:06
eggs for it was like, 899 for a dozen at the one store and a 929
1:06:14
at the other store. And the second post I saw was a
1:06:19
picture of it, was I get BJ's or Sam's Club where they have just
1:06:25
the whole wall of eggs stacked in the huge walk in and you had
1:06:33
like a about a half-dozen of the cartons were crushed in the
1:06:41
middle of it. It's like someone's going to
1:06:44
lose their job. That's like a thousand dollars
1:06:46
worth of of eggs. Yeah, that totally bomb there.
1:06:56
Joe, I don't know what cost that, you know, canceled this
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year. That's what the one was with the
1:07:04
eight, Ninety Nine, and Nine ninety and nine, something a
1:07:08
dozen. So yeah, the Easter egg hunts
1:07:10
been canceled, it's like yeah, getting tired of delivering
1:07:14
cases of toilet paper, and cases, a paper towel.
1:07:19
And having to walk two flights up stairs, for somebody's 40
1:07:22
pound box of cat litter. Go to the fucking store people.
1:07:32
Sorry, that was my ramp. He's like going to the store so
1:07:40
I can make fun of the yeah. All right, we're ready to wrap
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this up tonight, guys. Yeah, yeah.
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Alright, final words. Mike Books, there's a lot of
1:08:03
resources out here on Rex still. Like I said, I have to dust out
1:08:06
my Rex guide again and my material on the mini count on
1:08:12
the mini survey accounts survey, but educate yourselves please.
1:08:18
And you know, realize that the mail survey is part of Rex.
1:08:22
It's not who separate events And the mail survey is a small
1:08:29
portion of Rex and it's not going to have in the big scheme
1:08:33
of things, not a big effect on your route, but should still be
1:08:36
done correctly. So learn what it's supposed to
1:08:39
be so you can do it right. And of course, be careful out
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there. Josh.
1:08:49
Done. Final words, Josh, I do well to
1:08:59
follow up on what Mike was just saying the understanding.
1:09:02
I have the mount the main email survey is just recalculating
1:09:07
your distances from your case, to everything else in
1:09:12
all-purpose that you walk to. And any raw mail that you get
1:09:16
from the hot case in flat Rack or bread rack, whatever you call
1:09:20
it in your office. Be safe out there.
1:09:28
You know, a lot of places have already had bad weather.
1:09:30
We're starting to get into the bad weather season for everyone
1:09:33
else. Don't get overwhelmed.
1:09:37
Take a step back. Take a breath.
1:09:39
Step back in, have a good week. Billy Joel.
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It's my turn. Sure.
1:09:50
Well, well, like my said, everybody go out and educate
1:09:54
yourself if you don't know where to go ask, I mean there's plenty
1:09:59
material online. Even if you're not a union
1:10:03
member you can ask the union member they'll be more than
1:10:08
happy to share things with you that you need to do to keep your
1:10:11
routes evaluation up to Snuff and just just Follow the game
1:10:17
plan, you know, and plug away. Remember, or don't get stressed
1:10:23
closet because Folks at the end of the day, you need to get
1:10:27
yourself home to your family, your loved ones because, you
1:10:30
know, you're the most important delivery day and I truly want
1:10:34
everybody to get home safely. I don't want any seeing another
1:10:38
tractor trailer hitting one of the carriers and crushing their
1:10:41
lives. I can't imagine.
1:10:44
Yo, seeing a tractor trailer coming at one of those damn ice
1:10:47
cream trucks. But Please be careful because no
1:10:52
matter what the post office will just replace you the next day.
1:10:56
Get your ass home to your family.
1:10:58
Okay? And be safe.
1:11:02
And on that note, I just wanted to thank you Bill and I just an
1:11:07
update on that carrier that was hit with the semi she has been
1:11:10
moved to a rehabilitation center and is slowly recovering, so
1:11:17
she's getting there. But on that note 3, even though
1:11:21
with some technical difficulties, I want to wish
1:11:23
everybody safe out there and we will be back next week.
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Have a good night. No.
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No.