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The NFL Is A Hot Mess Through Week 3 But Lamar Jackson Is Quarterbacky As F**k · The Regulars

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  NFL Week 3 was absolutely batshit and everyone
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  played like shit. MLB playoffs start today and they're already electric.
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  And holy shit, Nick Saban really, really wants to go back into
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  the Middle Ages. Ladies and gentlemen, it's a Tuesday night.
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  You're amongst friends. Grab a drink. We're The Regulars. I'm Cody Decker.
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  I'm Tonya Rae Fox. I just replaced my contact after the countdown
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  started. It's going to be a good show. I vomited twice today. Cheers.
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  Welcome one,
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  welcome all. It's an incredible, incredible Tuesday night. And yeah, we had a Monday Night
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  Football last night that was a bit of a shit show. Definitely gonna get into
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  that. So much football this weekend. But Tanya,
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  how's your eyesight? You just put in this new contact lens. It's great. I crushed
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  it. I'm not gonna lie, that was necessary because I was like, it was the
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  tiniest little spot, but I knew it was going to bother me and it was
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  going to distract me. My ADHD cannot handle such things. At the time. I also
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  just realized I have to keep an eye on— is the Red Sox game starting
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  any second? It's getting starting soon. I don't know if it's any second, but it's
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  getting— I thought it was at 5 PM. Is it at 5 PM? Oh shit,
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  what do you think it's gonna start? I don't know, man. The first game today
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  was at 11 o'clock our time. I can't keep up. I know, but it— but
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  I mean, you can't have it any later than that, dude. We've had wall-to-wall baseball
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  today. It's been badass. These are actually— I'm not kidding, these are like my favorite
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  2 weeks in all of sports because it's a combination of a few things.
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  NFL action is going right now. NCAA college football action is going
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  right now. The NBA is about to start, so we're really close to the sports
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  equinox, which is my fucking favorite. Major League Baseball playoffs— these 2 weeks are
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  my favorite time of Major League Baseball playoffs because— and the WNBA's in— WNBA's
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  got playoffs. Like, it— like, we're just in a fucking— in
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  a spot that I just dig. Oh, and if you're a hockey fan, hockey starts
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  this week as well. Like, it's just kind of everything, and I fucking love it,
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  man. By the way, Just checked in. Fever beating the
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  Aces right now. That's why it's significant, by 13 points. Not supposed to be happening.
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  Okay, so you know, things are getting interesting. So yeah, no, I'm with you on—
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  I'm with you on that front. Um, this is the— the
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  only thing that I would love for the autumn vibe that we're
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  not getting is, uh, autumn in Los Angeles. I'm getting the autumn because
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  people think that we don't have seasons here, Cody. We We do know
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  we have a— we had a version of autumn at one point in
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  LA. We did. It's not the autumn that everybody else gets, like in the Northeast
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  or the Midwest or whatever, but like we did have it. Cools off, the breeze
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  comes in, gets into like the mid-low 60s, and then we kind of
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  like ride that out, you know, from like November to
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  whatever. We are in the middle of the, like, a heat wave that's
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  not— has no chances of stopping anytime soon. Dare I say it's not a heat
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  wave? I'm going to call it something else. It's a humidity wave. We don't both
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  fucking have this here. No, humidity is like it all.
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  It's giving me reverse seasonal depression. I want
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  fall. So the only thing that's giving me that vibe is the
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  sports calendar. And I'm taking it. Yeah, and I'm taking it. So you
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  survived Las Vegas. I survived Las Vegas. Foo Fighters were great and so were
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  fucking Queens of the Stone Age. What a fucking show. I got some complaints,
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  though. As a diehard Raider fan, I will mention this. There is one thing that's
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  autumn that's really great. The autumn wind. The autumn wind is a
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  Raider, blustering and beating the fuck out of your kids all
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  the damn time. Isn't that how this— isn't that how
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  the poem goes? Sure. The autumn wind is a Raider. It's beating the fuck out
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  of your kids. They will laugh and smile and run all over the place.
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  Listen, Hulkamania running wild. We're gonna get to it. It's a good time to be
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  a Raider. It is a really good time to be a Raider fan. I don't
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  think it's gonna last, but I'm really enjoying it right now. You know, I have,
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  I have hopes we're going to get into it. We might as well get into
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  it real quick. Before we get to that, I want to mention one thing about
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  Vegas as a diehard Raider fan. That's right, dude. I went to Allegiant Stadium for
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  the first time in my life. Yeah. How was it? It's dogshit. Really? I don't
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  like Allegiant Stadium at all. I was really, really, really disappointed. I wanted it to
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  be so much better. Like, there are things about it that are cool. The look
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  of the outside is cool. The inside is okay. It's pretty open and okay
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  to be breathable in there. But here's the thing I really didn't like. And as
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  somebody that lives in Los Angeles, Born and raised in Los Angeles. My biggest complaints
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  about Los Angeles sports are the stadiums. Not that they're bad stadiums.
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  In fact, when you're at Dodger Stadium, I think it's the best-looking stadium in baseball.
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  Well, that's not true, but it is great. It's getting in and out of Dodger
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  Stadium that's fucking awful. Getting to the Rose Bowl is perfectly cool right now.
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  Getting in and out of the Rose Bowl is a fucking nightmare. Um, getting to
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  SoFi is great. Getting in and out of SoFi is a fucking nightmare.
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  Yeah, I mean, Allegiant Stadium might be the worst I've ever seen.
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  Yeah, that's rough. Might be the very, very worst.
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  Like, the idea of it being worse than some of these other places that we're
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  discussing, like, you know, it— that's pretty bad. So I'm taking
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  your word for it. So they basically lead you out to walk out in
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  one, like, single-file line to leave the stadium,
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  to go over the overpass on the 15 to get you back over by Mandalay
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  Bay. Yeah, everyone's walking as if it's Dawn of the Dead style zombies,
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  that slowly. It took me to get from my spot
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  at the stage in the concert to Mandalay
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  Bay, just on the other side of the 15 freeway, that took me 54
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  minutes. Yeah, that's fucking absurd.
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  Anyone who knows me knows that slow walking is like— it gives
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  me anxiety. Pet peeve. I like— it's an ADHD thing.
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  Like, I can't— I walk really fast, and being stuck behind slow walkers
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  literally makes my blood boil. So, uh, I have a lot of anxiety.
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  Oh dude, it was the worst. But I would not have been able to handle
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  it. So that being said, I, I don't know want to venture back over to
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  SoFi— I'm sorry, to Allegiant anytime soon. However, Oasis is playing there
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  next year. Okay, might be a reason. Well, they got to be playing somewhere else.
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  Not on the West Coast. No, the only place they're playing out here is Las
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  Vegas for some reason. Well, then we're going to have to start making money on
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  this podcast so that we have expendable income. That makes sense. So that's— how about
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  we just do that? Fine. Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna make a shit ton of
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  money off this podcast. By the way, subscriptions are going up. We're at, uh,
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  1,140 and counting, and looking very forward to getting up there even more.
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  Thank you everybody that's been joining us and really making this a lot of fun.
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  So can't thank— can't stress that enough. Yes. Um, and if we are about to
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  talk shit about your favorite football team, please forgive us.
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  Uh, we, we know not what we— we know not what we're saying.
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  I have a pretty good idea what I'm saying. Yeah, no, uh, unfortunately some,
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  some teams suck. My team sucks, so everybody can just fucking relax. What are you
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  talking about? The Ravens are great. That's right, baby. You're a fucking
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  Ravens fan, man. Meanwhile, I'm wearing a Boston shirt.
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  Yeah, I'm giving my shit away. Speaking of which, we might as well go ahead
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  and get to that game. Yeah. Your team, my team,
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  America's team. America's team in Brazil.
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  America's team in Brazil. The Baltimore Ravens. As far as Brazil knows,
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  the Baltimore Ravens are the greatest team in the history of professional sports.
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  The Ravens beat the Cowboys in a thriller that I think is
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  one of the better international games we've had since we were doing international
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  games. Incredible, actually. 34-31. The NFL's
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  first regular season game in Rio de Janeiro delivered one of the week's
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  biggest moments. I would say one of the season's biggest moments so far.
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  Lamar Jackson puts the Ravens in position to win the game with
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  7 seconds. So fucking cool. Like, this was— this was like—
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  and I know this is Lamar Jackson we're talking about, 2-time MVP, but— and
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  I apologize of the phrase because I've really only seen one other guy
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  treat 7 seconds as if it's more time than 7
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  seconds. This was Mahomes at Mahomes's greatest-esque.
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  Yeah, like this— it was an unbelievable catch, an unbelievable pass.
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  It was just so improbable. I was at a bar down
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  in Hermosa Beach watching that and the Raider game at the same time. I,
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  I just kept turning around yelling, screaming over and over and over again.
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  It was fucking wild. It takes— it took everything It took
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  execution on every level. And we, as sports fans,
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  I think it's just a cool thing when you see something executed
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  exactly perfectly, especially after how the Cowboys had just
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  kind of squandered their opportunity to put the game away. It's like you saw a
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  team that— that an offense that was cooking. Cowboys offense was cooking. Dak played really,
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  really well. I'm not here to do the— did the Cowboys actually just
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  collapse or did the Ravens win it? No, the Ravens fucking won it. Everybody can
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  chill out on that. The Cowboys defense, their secondary is demolished.
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  Their defense is always shit though, right? But like on top of
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  it, it's like bad. Like they're in a bad way. Like there's defending
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  Zay Flowers was always going to be a tall task as it was. Dak's doing
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  everything he can. They waste that opportunity. Dak threw the ball away on purpose,
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  guys. It wasn't a fucking— Yeah, that was so weird. Everybody losing their mind.
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  How did you not know that that was a designed throwaway? Like, I don't under—
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  Whatever. He was trying to save time on the clock. Yeah, I don't know where
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  you guys— so they, you know, it was— but everything
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  really was done perfectly. Lamar had to make the perfect throws.
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  They had to get down and quickly enough for the play
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  to end so that Lamar and whoever else could call the timeout with enough time
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  on the clock. They did it. And then Tyler Loop had to make the sort
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  of career reviving The,
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  the reputation reviving kick that,
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  by the way, would have been good by 70. I watched the replay of that
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  field goal and where it landed and what their, you know,
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  the trajectory was because it hit high in the— it did.
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  So like it— when I tell you that kick would have been good by 70,
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  Tyler Loop has been waiting for that shit since last year. Big time. He's thought
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  about it every fucking day and you can tell. I like that.
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  The more— perhaps the craziest part of all of it was
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  seeing how calm Lamar
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  Jackson was before he went back out. Yeah, they— he
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  knew that there were— they had overtime potentially, right? Like, if they could just— like,
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  that was like, okay, we might just go to overtime. But there was never a
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  look of like fear or stress on his face before he went out for the
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  final drive. Really cool.
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  I love seeing a court— he didn't also didn't look like he was disconnected
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  or anything. He was locked in. He was calm. And then after the
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  celebration, how much the team rallied around Tyler Loop. And then we got a very
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  rare Lamar Jackson postgame locker room
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  speech. Did you see it? I didn't see it. He gave a speech. He did
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  like a postgame locker room. No fucking way. Because I've never seen that one time.
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  Doesn't do it. He's very much, I'm going to let the plays speak for myself
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  type of leader. Yeah. He leads quietly behind the scenes, not in front of the
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  cameras until he's on the field. And that's like, whatever. Oh yeah, we got to—
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  we got— so it all felt like
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  it was coming to like a momentum
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  shift. Yeah. And it almost seems like Lamar Jackson has realized we
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  just overcame a boogeyman and now is the time for me to capitalize on that,
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  which I think is a really smart move. Another thing we
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  should note is that the CBS broadcast had
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  pointed out that they had,
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  in all of these instances, very rarely actually won these
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  games. The Ravens were in these situations where they had to have close comebacks.
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  We watched it last week. I mean, the— what's the one thing they've had,
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  though? They've been like the worst in the NFL over the last several years.
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  The 4th quarter collapses all the time. So and they
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  said the last 10 games in which they led by 8 or more points in
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  the 2nd half, they had lost. And like, that,
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  that's frustrating. Very. The broadcast
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  had treated it like they were gonna lose, they had already lost the game.
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  This is the fucking— this is the reason we watch football, dude, is it not?
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  And I think that the coolest part about it was that I didn't look at
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  the Cowboys and the— and Dak as having shit the bed.
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  I— someone was gonna win that game and Lamar
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  was the better, was the better quarterback, and Zay Flowers was the better receiver,
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  and the, and everything was going their way in that moment. Um,
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  and their defense made just enough plays. I,
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  you know, they can't tackle. I don't know if you noticed that. I don't love
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  how the Ravens can't seem to tackle. Not a huge fan of that. But they
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  did show up in that short field red zone situation. Yeah. And,
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  uh, man, I don't know. It's, it's— what was your,
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  like, when you come away from that game Did you feel more like,
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  holy shit, the Ravens just did something awesome, or did you feel like the Cowboys
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  blew it? I did not think of it the Cowboys blew it. Like, yeah,
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  I can see where people are getting there. I just thought this was a hard-fought
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  game back and forth. You know what my takeaway was? My actual takeaway from this
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  game. Yeah. And I want to apologize specifically to Zay
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  Flowers, sir. I guess I just was not aware of your game.
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  I've, I've kind of undervalued Zay Flowers from the get-go.
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  I have to. He was a fucking monster in that game and that catch was
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  fucking phenomenal. Like he was. Great. He was a difference maker in
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  this game. You're not the only one. I have spent years
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  saying Zay Flowers is more like a number 2. That's what I've
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  always thought. Every time I've ever seen him play, he's elevated himself
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  from— it's not just new this year. Zay Flowers has been great,
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  but right now he's playing like a number 1 receiver. And that's something that Lamar's
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  never really had. That's phenomenal for somebody who just got paid as a number 1
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  guy. Like, normally when you see a guy get paid as a number 1 guy,
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  You know, we saw what Vladdy Guerrero Jr. said last week in a very,
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  very ill-timed type of quote. Oh, I'm getting paid for what my production
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  was before, not what I'm going to do in the future. And it's like,
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  well, that's not how it works. We don't like to hear that. Yeah, there might
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  be a modicum of truth to that, but no, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Don't say it. Don't ever fucking say that again, please. Definitely don't think it,
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  please, if you're a Blue Jays fan, because you need to play good for the
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  next 15 years, idiot. No, I'm glad
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  you said that because Justice for Zay Flowers. I,
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  you know, and to be fair to me, he— that's how he produced.
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  He produced as a dude who had these amazing catches but just like did
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  not have the production level of a true number one. Like, the consistency— have like,
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  like, I mean, when we were seeing, you know, what Ja'Marr Chase and
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  like what Stefon Diggs did with the Bills, and like these dudes, they'd have
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  1,500, 1,600-yard seasons, and like we weren't seeing that. But what
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  he's doing right now is so game-changing, and You think about it, you're like,
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  man, would Zay Flowers have been the difference in
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  the game before when they had to, you know, ride it out with Rashad Bateman?
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  By the way, let's not forget that Derrick Henry remains a motherfucking
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  monster. Mm-hmm. Unreal. Remains like such
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  a core. Now, he got stopped a couple of times. There were like the— there
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  were a few moments where he couldn't finish things out to try
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  to give the Ravens the opportunity to close out the game earlier. It happens.
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  But Derrick Henry was fantastic. And Lamar's numbers,
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  15 of 20 for 186 yards, 2 touchdowns, no picks, 6 carries
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  for 50 yards. But the timing on everything was so perfect.
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  And his efficiency— we always talk about this— he's so efficient
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  and he's so like— he, I think, is one
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  of those people where I don't care what the yardage totals were as a passer.
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  Yeah, sometimes they're, you know, he doesn't clear 300 yards that
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  often. But it doesn't— when he, when he throws the ball,
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  it's just so efficient. He does not make bad plays.
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  And we're going to talk about some quarterbacks in this show that rely on just
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  giving it a go and seeing what happens. He doesn't fucking do it. Oh,
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  I love him so much. He's great. Oh, he's so good. Fucking phenomenal. Cody's so
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  good at football. And especially the week after— the week before, because, you know,
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  he threw that interception, which clearly was some sort of miscommunication. But like,
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  it was just— that wasn't a reckless throw. No, it was a, you know,
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  it's just clearly a miscommunication. And this was not every interception is reckless
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  or fully on the quarterback. Uh, we'll differentiate that. We do.
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  We very much do. Now, we don't call them arm punts. No,
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  like, there was— there were arm punts we were going to mention.
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  Dude, there's some fucking— we got a king of the arm punts in this show
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  that I don't think is getting enough shit, and it's not Josh Allen. Oh,
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  that's great to hear. Well, let's go ahead and get to the next game.
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  Let's, let's call it what we need to call it: the, the Orlovsky
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  Bowl. The Orlovsky Bowl. Your dream matchup, people.
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  Justin Herbert versus Josh Allen. Got him, baby. Couple of,
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  couple of, you know, highly touted,
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  equally successful quarterbacks. 100%.
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  I want it on record that this is,
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  this is a Josh Allen performance that we've seen before. Yes.
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  Okay. Bad. This happens like once a season. Yes, it was bad.
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  He looked like shit. Hopefully. Yeah, I hope so too. You know, but let's be
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  real clear. He looked like shit. He looked like shit. Those unis looked like shit
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  too, by the way. They sure did. And by the way, I didn't know this.
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  I learned this. I don't know if there's any Bills fans in the chat,
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  but I learned this from the Bills fans on Threads during— while I was live
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  tweeting about these games. They have a— they have
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  a fan curse around alternate uniforms. Like when
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  they wear their weird alternate uniforms, they lose stupid fucking games. Apparently this
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  is a Bills fandom thing that they all know. I got dozens of comments
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  about the uniforms. It's the fucking uniforms. And I know being a fan, like,
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  you have these things in your head, so I totally get it. I don't think
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  it was the uniforms, but it's okay for Bills fans to insist.
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  Quickly, the Bills won 24 to 16. Josh Allen
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  had 2 interceptions, 1 lost fumble. James Cook lost a fumble.
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  Dalton Kincaid lost a fumble. And Buffalo also committed 10 penalties for 88
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  yards. And so you would think that they'd lost. You would have
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  thought they lost big after giving away 5 turnovers. They gave
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  the Chargers the ball 5 extra times.
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  And still won by 9. Yes. The fuck
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  is going on with the Chargers?
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  So bad. Um, it's awful. It was a
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  really unusual win. Uh, the Chargers really
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  did have every opportunity to win this game. This very much was
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  the Chargers repeatedly trying to give it away. There was
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  no excuse in my opinion. I actually, like, listen, I, I don't
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  I'm never a knee-jerk reaction of somebody getting fired, especially early in the season.
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  Like when somebody gets fired after 6 games, I was like, really? That's not much
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  of a— that's a bit rough. I'm actually surprised someone wasn't fired
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  after this game. I genuinely do think that I,
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  I don't think it would be an overreaction to fire Jim Harbaugh. I actually really
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  don't. I really don't. This is
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  bad shit. And if they were 1-1, if they
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  were 1-2, 2-0, you know, whatever. Before heading into this game
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  and you were like, had seen a little bit, oh, it's a backslide. They've just
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  been bad. They've just been bad. They got their fucking asses handed to them by
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  a Patriots offense in the playoffs that is useless,
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  right? Like, well, it was the defense that took— like, that fucked them up.
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  But still, I just like— it's been a lot. So the, uh,
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  the Chargers led 10-0, uh, uh,
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  10-0. It was 10-10, then it was 13-10. Things were
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  really starting to fall apart before Justin
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  Herbert threw the sort of backbreaking pick.
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  Here's the thing. Before we get to Justin Herbert, I want
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  to— I want to talk about Josh Allen. Okay.
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  So Josh Allen has a thing that
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  I think I will refer to as it feels Brett
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  Favre-esque. It feels Matt Stafford in Detroit as
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  gunslinger type of shit, which, yeah, sort of.
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  But it— what, what it is, and I think Matt Stafford's actually— I think Josh
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  Allen might be the worst at this, MVP caliber quarterback
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  that I've ever seen, which is he does
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  not know how to be okay in a game.
• 19:34
  Every great quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, Lamar Jackson,
• 19:38
  you know, Joe Montana, Steve Young, John Elway, whoever you want to talk about,
• 19:42
  every great quarterback has to be okay with
• 19:46
  having a game where they're just okay. You don't have to be Superman.
• 19:50
  Maybe it's not your day. Maybe it's a James Cook day.
• 19:53
  Maybe it's a defense day. Maybe it's a special teams day. Yeah, maybe you're just
• 19:57
  fucking out of sorts for whatever reason, or they've got your number. Because the chart—
• 20:01
  I will say the Chargers defense was doing work. Yeah, Chargers defense busted their ass.
• 20:06
  And I think that Josh Allen has a massive mental block around
• 20:11
  like not executing early and then starting to fall off
• 20:15
  mentally. I think he's a mentally weak quarterback in that way. Do I think
• 20:19
  he's mentally weak all the time? No. But he— there's a front-running thing
• 20:23
  that happens with Josh Allen where— and it's not about the score,
• 20:26
  it's about how he's playing specifically that causes
• 20:30
  this thing to happen where it's like Josh Allen's either playing at an MVP level
• 20:34
  in a game, he is the best player on the field, or he's giving the
• 20:38
  game away and he's causing a ripple effect across the course of his offense.
• 20:42
  And I find this to be a fatal flaw in an otherwise
• 20:45
  elite player.
• 20:49
  Yes. Yeah. I'm just realizing a comparison that immediately came to my mind.
• 20:53
  Give it to me. He's Jack from Lost. He can't—
• 20:58
  he needs to be in control. He actually has to be in control. He doesn't
• 21:01
  feel like alive or existing unless he is in
• 21:05
  absolute control. He is Jack from Lost. He can't— this can't
• 21:09
  be a Kate episode. No, no, Jack needs to be in control. Can't be Sawyer.
• 21:12
  No, it's gotta be Jack in control. That's Josh Allen. It's just— it's
• 21:15
  like he has ADHD about it. He can't help it. If he's
• 21:19
  not doing the most contributing, he's gonna find a way to
• 21:23
  contribute the most. And I don't actually think it's the— an ego
• 21:27
  thing. I don't think so either. I actually think it is a like like,
• 21:30
  uh, an inability to function when things
• 21:33
  are— it's like he, he loses the plot. So I don't think
• 21:37
  if you sat him down and like— I think if you asked him, he would
• 21:40
  genuinely say, I don't care if I score 0 touchdowns and, and James
• 21:44
  Cook has 5 touchdowns and 400 yards in a game, I want to win the
• 21:47
  game. I think he believes that. I don't think he knows how to operate in
• 21:50
  that space. One of the things I always thought was so underrated
• 21:55
  about Tom Brady and why I thought he was better than Peyton Manning, better than
• 21:58
  Drew Brees, better than Aaron Rodgers. Every time I
• 22:01
  like— this was always the thing that separated him the most to me was
• 22:05
  that he was always deeply comfortable with,
• 22:10
  with understanding the matchup they were in and knowing when it
• 22:14
  was time to hand the ball off, when it was time to like not try
• 22:18
  to throw deep. He would read the weather situations, he would read the defenses,
• 22:21
  he would read all of the situations at play. And he would feel the game
• 22:24
  out to understand what he needed to do. So if you needed him to pass
• 22:27
  for 400 yards, he'd do it. Yeah, he would. And he would throw it to
• 22:30
  some random dude you never heard of who used to play fucking like kickball.
• 22:34
  Oh, don't worry, he'd make that guy a star. He'd make that— and but
• 22:37
  then there's— he has more running backs across the course of
• 22:41
  his season, individual instances where running backs would have 3 or more touchdowns than
• 22:45
  any quarterback of his era. Multiple running backs
• 22:49
  would have Like that you've forgotten their names, had 3 touchdown games with Tom Brady.
• 22:53
  You're absolutely right. I completely forgot their names. And so that is like,
• 22:57
  that is something that I just don't see from Josh Allen. And that it
• 23:02
  is the— it is this like fatal flaw that he's carried over from his early
• 23:05
  days when he was really like a struggling young player.
• 23:10
  James Cook, we actually have a graphic. It's the PFF
• 23:14
  graphic, Mocha, if you want to pull that up. Is the type
• 23:18
  of player that can carry your offense in games like this where the quarterback
• 23:22
  is struggling. He has the most rushes this season over 10 yards,
• 23:25
  12, right ahead of Jahmyr Gibbs, Kenneth Walker, Jonathan Taylor,
• 23:29
  Bijan Robinson. These are 5 of the best, easily 5 of the best
• 23:33
  running backs in the league. This is a guy who can get you chunk
• 23:37
  yardage, right? And he can catch.
• 23:41
  He can do everything you need him to do. There's no excuse for hero
• 23:44
  ball from a quarterback who's struggling. It happens.
• 23:49
  And I don't know what, what's going on there. You know, it always drives me
• 23:52
  nuts, though, whenever— and I've seen this happen a couple of times already this season,
• 23:55
  like James Cook will go on, break out for like a large run and they're
• 23:58
  within 5 and fucking pulls a Coach Kilmer play where we were,
• 24:02
  okay, now we're going to let Josh Allen run again. Why? Yeah.
• 24:05
  I mean, now, now, granted, James Cook has had a 16-touchdown season with
• 24:09
  Josh Allen. Yes, he has. So like, this is not— No, he's not taking things
• 24:12
  away. I'm just saying, like, I get mad whenever James Cook runs it to the
• 24:16
  5 because I know he's not going to get the touchdown. Yeah, I get so
• 24:18
  mad with like a lot of— yeah, it's like they'll let him run it in,
• 24:20
  but if he stops at the 5, as you were saying. But yeah, and I
• 24:23
  need to make it clear, like, Josh Allen does not need to— not— he doesn't
• 24:27
  need to prove anything to me in terms of like his ability to— like,
• 24:30
  he's great. And this is not me saying— I do think
• 24:33
  this is a flaw he needs to work on, and I don't think he's
• 24:36
  had the coaching to help him do it. I think that, that coaches like
• 24:41
  Andy Reid and Bill Belichick have really helped their quarterbacks understand
• 24:46
  what you need to do at a quarter— at the quarterback position beyond some of
• 24:49
  this other stuff. And I think Josh Allen and Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson
• 24:53
  have suffered from coaches who don't know how
• 24:57
  to give them that kind of guidance. So it's not just that.
• 25:02
  On the Justin Herbert front. Yeah. As soon as that game
• 25:05
  was over, I did a little research. Now,
• 25:09
  my research ended up getting picked up by other people, obviously, because it's really
• 25:12
  good. I believe this shit was like out within like 30 minutes of the
• 25:16
  game. Give it to me. So I didn't see this. Yes.
• 25:20
  I did a little search, as I do, for teams
• 25:24
  that where their opposition, their opposing team
• 25:29
  had 5 or more turnovers They themselves had one or fewer
• 25:33
  turnovers and they lost that game.
• 25:36
  Okay. It's happened 9
• 25:42
  times in the 21st century. How many?
• 25:46
  This game was the most recent since 2022.
• 25:50
  Uh, it was the— in 2023, it was the 2022 season,
• 25:54
  um, in the playoffs when the Chargers About
• 25:57
  to say, how many times has Justin Herbert done exactly this? Did this.
• 26:01
  The most recent time before that was in 2015,
• 26:05
  Week 17. Okay, so it wasn't him. It was the Chargers.
• 26:11
  It was the Chargers with Philip Rivers. This has
• 26:15
  happened 3 times since 2011,
• 26:19
  and it's all— the only people who've done it are the Chargers.
• 26:23
  Doesn't matter who's quarterbacking, doesn't matter who— what city they're fucking
• 26:27
  playing in because they were in San Diego. This is Charger Ring. Yeah.
• 26:30
  When we say Charger Ring, there's a statistical reality behind
• 26:34
  Charger Ring. I find it to be like spooky. Like, that's fucking spooky
• 26:38
  shit. It's wild. And what I found out today to add on to this little
• 26:43
  insanity of the Charger Ring situation, the last
• 26:47
  time the Bills won despite 5 turnovers or more
• 26:50
  was in 1997 when the Chargers'
• 26:53
  current quarterback— Chargers' current head coach, Jim Harbaugh, was the
• 26:57
  opposing quarterback. No fucking way. Like, this shit's nuts.
• 27:01
  Now, I know this isn't the craziest game breakdown, but let's be honest, it's fucking
• 27:05
  weird. That is weird. I want to ask you a question because
• 27:09
  we all know that this game was a disaster and that the Chargers are not
• 27:11
  good, dude. Their offense is not good. Their defense is actually fine and
• 27:15
  doing pretty good. Where is the actual
• 27:19
  weak link here? The offense is broken. I don't see a ton
• 27:23
  of, like, hope for this current iteration based on
• 27:27
  what we've seen from Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert over the last 2 seasons,
• 27:31
  let alone right now. What— where's the
• 27:35
  actual weak link? Is it Justin
• 27:39
  Herbert? Is it the coaching? Like, is it the coordinating?
• 27:43
  Because I'm the least likely to Blame Mike
• 27:47
  McDaniel because he's new. He's brand new and this has already been a trend for
• 27:50
  years, right? Like, here's the thing, I, I want to say, I want
• 27:54
  to, I honestly want to look at Herbert first. Okay. And but hear me out,
• 27:57
  but I also see the flaw in that, that argument right out the gate.
• 28:00
  So I'm happy to look at Justin Herbert first. So am I. But I'm gonna
• 28:03
  look at Justin Herbert because it's been, this is the 7th season. That's, that's the
• 28:06
  thing. Like, people still like, well, he's young and still growing.
• 28:09
  It's the 7th fucking season. We're no longer young and growing.
• 28:13
  He's a veteran quarterback now. It's 7 years now.
• 28:17
  I mean, he came into the league the same year as Jalen Hurts, who's been
• 28:20
  to the Super Bowl twice, twice, and won a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah, it's just
• 28:24
  also— there's just— but I'm also understanding that
• 28:28
  he's had during his time 4 head coaches,
• 28:31
  like 7 different coordinators, and some of those coordinators were like
• 28:35
  diametrically just the opposite of what he's doing right now.
• 28:39
  So I am at least understanding of that. But again, you're an
• 28:43
  NFL quarterback that's being paid an ungodly amount of money in this team, and everyone
• 28:47
  is telling me you're the greatest for all these years. I, I just— I,
• 28:50
  I— it honestly has frustrated me so much because
• 28:54
  I feel like I'm constantly being gaslit by all the experts out there that
• 28:58
  just love how this white kid throws the fucking football, except he doesn't win
• 29:02
  and he never has won. And And I don't believe he's ever gonna.
• 29:06
  And right now he's not even statistically good. No. And now he's legitimately bad.
• 29:09
  And then I want to look at Jim Harbaugh because at least Jim Harbaugh's only
• 29:12
  been there for a couple of years. And at least in, in his time,
• 29:16
  he took them to the playoffs already and they had a decent season. And then,
• 29:19
  then you got the Mike McDaniel of it all because of the thing you just
• 29:22
  said. Holy shit, this offense is legitimately broken. All right. So we've given up
• 29:25
  on the Chargers at this. Like, I, I never— my whole thing is
• 29:29
  I never get on board with Chargers. Never. Um, and I haven't since 2000— what
• 29:33
  was it, what was it, the 2007— the Chargers
• 29:38
  team that had the statistical best offense and best defense in the
• 29:42
  league and missed the playoffs. And I was like, I'm out on this. Yeah,
• 29:45
  yeah, you know. Um, all right,
• 29:50
  just want to make sure we highlight the juxtaposition of the
• 29:54
  how it's supposed to look quarterback bowl versus the how it actually
• 29:58
  works quarterback bowl. Okay, because the first game we talked about
• 30:02
  was 2 MVP-caliber quarterbacks. Dak almost won an MVP a couple
• 30:06
  of times. Lamar has 2. They played lights out in Rio, represented the
• 30:09
  game beautifully in a foreign country for the fans of Rio, played the
• 30:14
  fucking— their asses off. What a game. Uh, so I'm starting to think
• 30:18
  there's no one way that a quarterback looks, and that quarterback looks like being really
• 30:22
  good for a long time regardless of
• 30:26
  how white or tall or blond you
• 30:30
  are. Yeah, I'm starting to think that because the tall, white, blond guys put on
• 30:34
  a fucking shitfest. Yeah, shitfest. Sure did. Justin Herbert's getting shit.
• 30:39
  Josh Allen is on get your shit together watch,
• 30:42
  not he's going to be fine. That team's going to win their division. They're going
• 30:45
  to be in the playoffs. No question. But he's got to figure that out.
• 30:47
  No question about it. But listen, I'm going to put it on those gray,
• 30:50
  ugly-ass fucking jerseys. Whatever. Not great. Well, you're with the Bills fans. Yeah, I'm with
• 30:54
  them. Those things are dogshit. Eagles-Bears. Wow,
• 30:58
  boy, did everyone football get this one wrong.
• 31:02
  I mean, I mean, I hammered,
• 31:04
  hammered the idea that the Philadelphia Eagles were going to win this by fucking
• 31:08
  30. Case Keenum hadn't started. I will say I did not think that was gonna
• 31:12
  happen. Oh, I did. I thought for sure, just because I thought, I thought their
• 31:15
  defense would have played fine. I thought their offense would be efficient on the Chicago
• 31:19
  Bears. I wasn't expecting Case Keenum to turn the clock back to 2017.
• 31:22
  Fucking be the best quarterback in the NFL this week. Like, he looked
• 31:26
  unbelievable. Hadn't started a game in over 1,000 days. It was December 22nd,
• 31:30
  2023. He fucking looked incredible
• 31:35
  and efficient. And my God, the Eagles looked—
• 31:39
  and I cannot stress this enough— the Eagles looked like
• 31:43
  a fucking peewee football team. They looked like shit on every
• 31:47
  single front. I, you know, there was a lot going on
• 31:50
  with the Eagles, um, and there has been for the last couple couple games that
• 31:54
  I think Jalen pulled them out of. And that, like, he did that game in
• 31:56
  Tennessee. Yeah, like, really has, has been— I think he's actually in a position where
• 32:00
  he's carrying a pretty rough team right now. Um, Case Keenum.
• 32:05
  So the thing that I loved about this is that Case Keenum
• 32:10
  is a quarterback who, in— when he was in his
• 32:14
  best season was Minnesota 2017. I think they were like 14-2,
• 32:18
  13-3, something crazy. Like, it was a good team, made the playoffs,
• 32:22
  things fall apart Minnesota Vikings style. But he
• 32:26
  was putting up like all season like 110,
• 32:29
  120 passer rating games. Like he was really good
• 32:32
  that year. And that was kind of like the last time I really thought about
• 32:36
  Case Keenum. And when I saw that he was going to be the backup quarterback
• 32:41
  for Ben Johnson, I was like, okay, he knows that this is a reliable
• 32:44
  vet that can do, like you said, He'll run the offense,
• 32:48
  he'll run a dumbed-down sort of version of— won't turn the ball
• 32:51
  over. Yeah. Or, you know, like he's gonna get— and they'll just hold—
• 32:56
  they'll hold the line. Bears defense had something to prove anyway because
• 32:59
  they've struggled a little bit off the top. They allowed a lot of points to
• 33:02
  the Panthers. They lost last— so like, okay,
• 33:06
  this is a game where it wasn't just that
• 33:11
  he was serviceable. He was really running Ben Johnson's offense.
• 33:16
  They had their quick rhythm passing going.
• 33:19
  Like, it was not just like stride all the time. It was—
• 33:23
  he was 10 for 10 for 140 yards
• 33:28
  against blitzes. Like, he was perfect under pressure. Incredible.
• 33:31
  I mean, that's some crazy shit. That is some— this is
• 33:35
  my moment and I know I'm not getting this opportunity again. Very likely.
• 33:38
  He was like looking at watching a movie. It literally was holding his kids after
• 33:42
  the game, the speech he gave after the game. I said he gave like an
• 33:45
  award show acceptance. Like, I— yeah, I want to thank God, my family.
• 33:49
  I nearly fucking teared up. He was really, really cute. I was like,
• 33:52
  holy shit. I will say I do hate when they're like, thank God. Like,
• 33:56
  you know, it's not my favorite. Not that they're thanking God, but I hate when
• 33:59
  they do the like the insinuation that God helped them win
• 34:02
  the game. Thank God God loves the Bears. Yeah, because I was like Yeah.
• 34:06
  Sorry. Sorry, Jalen. God hated you today. It was all about Case.
• 34:10
  But that's a, that's a personal little beef. It's not actually for Case. I was
• 34:13
  actually really happy for him. I did like that he was like accepting a Golden
• 34:17
  Globe at the end, like with Laura Rutledge. But, but more
• 34:21
  than anything, I'm just so impressed with Ben Johnson.
• 34:26
  And he picked Case Keenum specifically to
• 34:31
  do something like that if they, if they needed him. And he did. And this
• 34:34
  is the type of thing where if the Bears were to make a Super Bowl
• 34:36
  run, Case Keenum earned his fucking ring. You ain't lying. I love
• 34:40
  that. That's awesome. I love that. It's really cool. That's the opportunity that,
• 34:44
  like, that win could be the difference. They are going to be in a dogfight
• 34:47
  apparently with the Vikings. Like, the Vikings refuse to lose.
• 34:51
  Not a great team. And by the way, to lose— and by the way,
• 34:53
  Kyler, like, was efficient enough on Sunday for somebody
• 34:58
  who, like, just can't seem to, like, stay on the field and develop a rhythm.
• 35:01
  I thought he did fine. He did fine. Like, I mean, way better than JJ
• 35:04
  McCarthy. You don't think the Vikings are kind of a formidable force? They're a good
• 35:07
  team, but like, they're not like until we can see some sort of like consistency
• 35:11
  on that offense, defensively they're a monster. They're a monster because
• 35:14
  they have Brian Flores. But, you know, as far as the— this
• 35:19
  is not just about, you know, Philly. The defense itself
• 35:24
  played really well. They forced 3 turnovers. They held Jalen Hurts to 153 passing
• 35:27
  yards. They held Philadelphia to under 250 total yards. They started the
• 35:31
  second half with 3 consecutive defensive stops. Held the Eagles to
• 35:35
  2 of 9 on 3rd down. And they really shut down Saquon Barkley,
• 35:39
  which is halftime adjustments. It's a well-coached team. They're,
• 35:42
  they're making adjustments. They're figuring out how to win without their starting quarterback,
• 35:45
  who's one of the most dynamic players in the, in the entire league.
• 35:51
  The Eagles are the only team in the NFL
• 35:55
  in Super Bowl era to have a game with under
• 35:59
  50 offensive plays, under 250 total yards,
• 36:02
  10+ penalties, 3+ giveaways, no takeaways, and no sacks.
• 36:06
  This was one of the— to your point, I mean, I think you called it
• 36:09
  dog shit or whatever, but like, this is one of the like most inefficient,
• 36:13
  useless sort of performances all around that we've seen. Well, you mentioned, you mentioned
• 36:18
  like postgame interviews. You want to talk about the massive juxtaposition, the fucking
• 36:21
  polar opposite of what we got out of Case Keenum and, and, and Ben
• 36:25
  and everybody else that was excited about that victory? Did you see
• 36:28
  everybody on the Eagles after the game? It was like everyone was at a
• 36:32
  fucking funeral. Well, you know what? I think when
• 36:36
  Jalen took that hit, that was a bad hit. Which, by the way,
• 36:39
  I don't think it was dirty. I think he— that guy was running really fast.
• 36:43
  It's one of those things. A dirty hit. Yeah, it's like one of those things
• 36:46
  you slow down and it's always a little bit worse. Like, I'm not a big
• 36:49
  fan of calling everything a bang-bang play because everybody, like, we'll get into it later,
• 36:53
  but like everybody calls everything in the NFL a bang-bang play. Which it kind of
• 36:55
  is a little bit, but like that motherfucker was running 100 miles an hour.
• 36:58
  And like, I, I, I— Jalen pushes
• 37:02
  it and he, he was pushing it really hard yesterday. He was not going down.
• 37:05
  He was taking like tough tackles because he knew he had to.
• 37:08
  But when you lose, I don't think he came back
• 37:13
  into the game fully good. I'm not saying they put him back
• 37:16
  in with a concussion. I'm not saying they didn't because it's the NFL, but like
• 37:20
  that's That was a hit, and they did not spend a lot of time talking
• 37:23
  about it. No. And I will also admit,
• 37:26
  he didn't look, uh, nearly as good for the rest of the game.
• 37:30
  Now, he did not. And Andy Dalton immediately threw a pick, so he set him
• 37:32
  up to fail coming back too, in the red zone too.
• 37:36
  So, you know, I, I think it's weird that— no,
• 37:39
  I mean, I, I think it's weird. I, I'm not surprised when,
• 37:43
  when quarterbacks take hits like that and come back in and just look like really
• 37:47
  bad on top of the rest of the team looking really bad and they can't
• 37:50
  just carry the rest of the team. Normally we talk about the fact that like
• 37:53
  maybe they're not right after that fucking massive hit they took from
• 37:56
  a 3— 3— a dude running 30 miles an hour,
• 38:00
  right? It was a big hit. He hit that ground fucking hard.
• 38:03
  Like it was like one of those things like, you know, when like somebody's like
• 38:07
  full speed and you see them, it's like somebody getting in a motorcycle accident.
• 38:09
  You know, you've seen it, like how they hit the pavement and just like slide
• 38:12
  and like you're like That's what happened to him. He like hit the ground and
• 38:15
  like slid, like by bounce sliding. Like it's— it was ugly.
• 38:19
  I think Philly is in trouble. I think you're right. I think they're in trouble.
• 38:22
  And I don't think it's because of Jalen. And, you know, a lot of people
• 38:25
  want to put it on Sirianni. I'm not sure I'm putting it on Sirianni either.
• 38:29
  I don't like the way this roster is constructed. I don't like what they
• 38:33
  decided to do in terms of like you get rid of AJ Brown and don't
• 38:36
  fully— just don't fully figure out how to readjust the offense.
• 38:39
  Are the Bears— and we just talked about the Vikings are 3-0,
• 38:42
  one of 5 teams— are the Bears in the argument
• 38:46
  for the best team in the NFC offensively? I will definitely
• 38:51
  say yes. Right now, after 3 games in, I think
• 38:54
  it'd be foolish to not say they're in the argument. They're absolutely in the argument.
• 38:58
  So you put them like— like their one loss was a shitshow game because it
• 39:02
  was in a horrible rainstorm. You know, Caleb got hurt.
• 39:05
  Division rival. It wasn't like it was a blowout game. It was, what, fucking 9-3?
• 39:08
  It was like it was dogshit game. Would you put them
• 39:11
  top 3 in fantasy? I— would you put them over the Vikings?
• 39:16
  I'm gonna put them neck to neck with the Vikings right now. I'll put them
• 39:19
  over the Vikings. You're gonna put them over the Vikings? The only reason is because
• 39:22
  I think that their defense looked much more dynamic last night,
• 39:26
  and I think offensively they are better than the Vikings. I mean,
• 39:30
  they just are better than the Vikings. I just think the rest of that division
• 39:33
  isn't good. I think, I think the Lions are in trouble, and I think the
• 39:35
  Packers are flat out bad. Yeah, yeah. Um, all right, uh,
• 39:39
  quickly, let's go to your Raiders. Oh baby, my guys, this— what
• 39:43
  a life, what a world. I'm so fucking happy. Is this what joy is?
• 39:46
  I think so. This is what joy is, huh? Yeah, I have not experienced
• 39:50
  this. I'm living a really weird life as a football fan. I got my UCLA
• 39:53
  Bruins 4-0, I got fucking the Raiders 3-0. Like,
• 39:57
  I'm waiting, I'm waiting for the worst possible
• 40:01
  thing to happen to both of these teams. Well, here's the thing.
• 40:04
  The Raiders, for the first 2 games,
• 40:08
  you're like, okay, we'll see. Then they go up against another team where we're like,
• 40:12
  where we're like, oh, well, we got to— let's find out what they're really about.
• 40:15
  And they out— they sort of outperformed them in a way where the
• 40:19
  Saints had been outperforming other teams, which was in the 4th quarter. Saints kind
• 40:23
  of have a meltdown. Raiders step up. Kirk Cousins goes Kirk O'Chains on
• 40:27
  there. He really did. Brock Bowers might be like
• 40:31
  a top 3 offensive player in the league right now. He was such a difference
• 40:34
  maker. It was not normal. Normal for that shit to come back
• 40:37
  and audit like first game back to perform like that.
• 40:41
  Um, dude, his catch is for 116 yards,
• 40:45
  1 touchdown, 13 targets. He had a 30— he,
• 40:48
  he had 34, 37 yards on the opening drive
• 40:52
  alone. That is— he is an absolute monster.
• 40:56
  It makes me really inspired,
• 41:00
  uh, about their chances that they had already won 2 games without him,
• 41:04
  right? This team now looks even more,
• 41:08
  more total, right? More complete. It looks like a fucking football team.
• 41:12
  They look like a football team. So here's the thing, like, I, I said this
• 41:15
  out loud at the bar the other day while watching this game with a,
• 41:17
  with a small contingent of Raider fans that I would not meet up there.
• 41:20
  They just were there, they were cheering, and I migrated over to my little Raiders
• 41:23
  section. Yeah, we were all having so much fun,
• 41:26
  like, looking at each other and high-fiving and shit, going like We actually—
• 41:30
  I said this, I don't care if we lose this game, I just want my
• 41:34
  fucking team to compete. You were just having fun watching the Raiders for fucking quarters.
• 41:38
  Oh, they're doing cool shit and they're fucking playing and they're in it. And then
• 41:42
  they fucking won. Like, this team is different. It's a legitimate— it's the first
• 41:45
  time I've ever watched a Raider team going like, no, this is, this is something
• 41:48
  different. Now this might all come crashing down this weekend because they got the
• 41:52
  fucking Chiefs next, another— but I don't— I— after the Chiefs
• 41:55
  like showing a little bit of sputtering against Miami, you know, now granted the
• 41:59
  Chiefs could come back and put up 50 on anybody. And it's like we're not—
• 42:02
  but, you know, there was a little bit of struggle there.
• 42:05
  Mocha, will you bring up the, the undefeated
• 42:09
  teams, the stat that we have there? The NFL's
• 42:13
  undefeated teams remaining in 2026 after 3 weeks. This is
• 42:16
  by— the graph is pass yards and rush yards.
• 42:19
  So you can kind of see where people are at in terms of their production.
• 42:25
  It's about— it makes about sense that San Francisco, Kansas City,
• 42:28
  and Buffalo are sort of— they're winning with a lot more exciting
• 42:33
  numbers. But also there are the Las Vegas Raiders
• 42:37
  and the Minnesota Vikings, and certainly putting
• 42:40
  together a much better passing performance with the Vikings' former
• 42:44
  quarterback. I mean, at this point, the Vikings have got to be like, why didn't
• 42:47
  we just keep Kirk if we were going to go through all this? Right?
• 42:48
  God, you ain't lying, huh? But these are the 5 teams undefeated
• 42:52
  remaining. And yes, I did see the Superbad.
• 42:57
  I reposted this. It's so fucking good and it's accurate.
• 43:00
  Good. What the fuck are they doing here? They're very McLovin-esque.
• 43:04
  They are. Raiders are McLovin and that's okay. And that's a great— he was the
• 43:07
  star of the show. I am McLovin. He is the star of the show.
• 43:11
  Good. I'm just like, it's, it's really fun to watch
• 43:14
  and it's all the guys that are doing it. Like Ashton Gentry's coming to Williams.
• 43:18
  Looks good. The running game leaves a lot to be desired. I don't
• 43:22
  know. I think it's going to be all right. Listen. It's okay to temper your
• 43:25
  expectations a little bit. He's okay. I would like to see better from their run
• 43:28
  game. I think that, like— but, but here's my— here's the thing about
• 43:32
  buying into the Raiders. I don't trust
• 43:36
  Kirk Cousins in the playoffs. This feels— the
• 43:40
  Raiders feel like a classic Vikings team, and I'm so worried that this is going
• 43:44
  to be one of those situations where he's just not dynamic enough, uh,
• 43:48
  like down the stretch or into the playoffs. But like, I do actually think
• 43:52
  this is a team that could make the playoffs. I do actually believe that the,
• 43:55
  that the Raiders are in a space of— they
• 43:59
  kind of remind me of the Patriots in the first year with Drake Maye
• 44:03
  or like even in their first year with Mac Jones where it's like you don't
• 44:06
  expect them to win a playoff game, but like, why are they even fucking there?
• 44:09
  Yeah, you know what I mean? No, I'm with you on that. But here's— I
• 44:12
  hear what you're saying about Kirk Cousins because I do agree based on, based on
• 44:14
  the history of Kirk Cousins. There's no— I mean, Kirk Cousins is not going into
• 44:18
  it winning. He's not going to win you a Super Bowl. It's not going to
• 44:21
  happen. But this shit's awesome. But you just said a word. Good at developing other
• 44:24
  players. But you just hear the word you said. What'd I say? Fucking playoffs.
• 44:28
  Yeah. Yeah. Playoffs. I was hoping for 6 wins.
• 44:32
  You're telling me playoffs is actually on the fucking table? Of course it
• 44:36
  is. And dude, if I get that, thank you, Kirk Cousins. I will be forever
• 44:39
  grateful to you. That being said, nobody is Nobody is great and
• 44:43
  everybody's kind of bad. And that's awesome. You know what I mean? Like, as even
• 44:46
  those other teams, like those, like the Niners almost lost to the
• 44:50
  Cardinals, who I think are kind of not better
• 44:54
  than we all thought. Jacoby Brissett, by the way, is a good quarterback.
• 44:58
  He's, he's so good. He's a good fucking quarterback.
• 45:01
  He really, when he's given the opportunity and he kind of got what Kirk
• 45:05
  Cousins and the Raiders have gotten, which is a new offensive head coach that It's
• 45:08
  really helping them figure out— they have Trey McBride, sort of like the 2nd best
• 45:13
  tight end in the league at this point behind Brock Bowers. Great stuff. Backup quarterbacks,
• 45:17
  by the way. Case Keenum, fucking Marcus Mariota. What a game
• 45:20
  by Marcus Mariota. I love him.
• 45:24
  One of the most beloved. I don't know if you've heard a lot about him,
• 45:26
  but everybody loves Marcus. He's one of the nicest people to
• 45:31
  come back after the injury that he has suffered and to get
• 45:34
  this opportunity and to step up for that team. Not great for Jayden Daniels,
• 45:38
  by the way, because that made Jayden Daniels look bad.
• 45:41
  It made him look bad. Marcus Mariota had that offense
• 45:45
  looking like an entirely different offense, looking a lot
• 45:49
  more like, uh, you know, Dan Quinn looked when he was coaching Matt Ryan than
• 45:52
  anything else. Um, that's just a little side note.
• 45:56
  We could not get— we're not going to talk about that game, but like,
• 45:59
  yes, Marcus! Like, I'm so excited. I'm so excited for
• 46:03
  him. You know what, I, I am I am too. Um,
• 46:06
  it's funny because I do make this joke often, but I don't feel like I'm
• 46:10
  that far off. I don't trust any quarterback that comes out
• 46:14
  of Oregon at this point. Yeah, but I do root for a couple of them,
• 46:17
  and one of them is Marcus Mariota. Like, he started the like, let's draft dudes
• 46:21
  from Oregon thing, and it was like, no, the only one ever worth drafting was
• 46:24
  really just Marcus Mariota. But like, and then he— but he had a crazy injury,
• 46:28
  and it's like, just shit happens, right? But like, now, like, he— like, that game
• 46:32
  Dude, he looked really fun, and I was shitting on him starting this game,
• 46:35
  like, oh, good luck winning with Marcus Mariota. They won because of
• 46:38
  Marcus fucking Mariota. Doubt Marcus? Never doubt him. I did when he was a Raider,
• 46:43
  um, rightfully so. We're gonna, we're gonna quick hit on
• 46:46
  a couple more games before we move on. Um, the Rams-Broncos
• 46:50
  to me is one of those games where,
• 46:53
  like, I still feel like I understand what the Rams deal is much
• 46:56
  better than I understand the Broncos. I— the Rams lost 26,
• 47:00
  Broncos 30. It was a weird game. Very weird.
• 47:05
  The Rams melted down, but they melted down in a way that's familiar to me,
• 47:07
  which is Matt Stafford becoming a risk-taking maniac.
• 47:12
  Matthew Stafford has the most pick-sixes in the history of the NFL.
• 47:16
  Congratulations. Beating out Brett Favre. So I guess you're the gunslinger now.
• 47:20
  In fewer years, by the way. Impressive. And he's always
• 47:23
  been a pick-six monster. 6 monster there. Again, that's— he's
• 47:27
  got a major flaw, which is that like, he is— when those
• 47:31
  throws don't work, he's a very reckless thrower of the ball.
• 47:34
  And when they work, they're chef's kiss. And McVay has done a good job of
• 47:38
  giving him the amount of, uh, the types of wide receivers and offensive
• 47:42
  players that can handle to handle that, like Davante and Puka.
• 47:45
  But without Puka, it's starting to look a little— I was a little
• 47:49
  surprised how little he used Jake Ferguson this last week. Week. I'm not really.
• 47:53
  No, because he was really targeting him a lot the previous week. Yeah, but that's—
• 47:57
  it's a matchup thing. They— that like 12-13 personnel thing that Sean McVay does,
• 48:00
  he's not going to do it against the Broncos defense. It's a whole thing.
• 48:04
  Um, but the other thing about Denver is they win— they're very, very,
• 48:07
  very bizarrely, weirdly, almost inexplicably good at winning close
• 48:12
  one-score games where the offense is not particularly good. Bo Nix ain't that
• 48:15
  good. I don't think so either. The offense isn't that good. Play calling's
• 48:19
  not that good, but they score exactly when they need to
• 48:23
  to win games. And it is inexplicable. And so I do have to touch on—
• 48:28
  yes, but I mean, you could say that it wasn't the only reason. I can't
• 48:31
  stress enough the DPIs. You know, there was, there was that like awful call
• 48:35
  in the Cowboys game where it should have been OPI. And yes, that was really
• 48:38
  bad. There was this one that should not have been DPI. Again,
• 48:41
  that doesn't account for the fact that they had to score 2 touchdowns with 2
• 48:45
  2-point conversions and they did both. Can't do shit all game. And then they're like,
• 48:48
  we are going to score 2 touchdowns with 2 2-point conversions. Like, we're going to
• 48:52
  convert both of them and we're like, what is your deal, dude? So Bo Nix
• 48:55
  is— is it— you got to give him credit. You can't keep the
• 48:59
  man down. He will suck. Like,
• 49:02
  he will have like under 100 yards of offense and then be like, I can
• 49:06
  still win it, guys. And then sometimes he does.
• 49:09
  Neither of these teams look like they could win a Super Bowl right now.
• 49:11
  And that's my takeaway. My takeaway right now is they both seem to have fatal
• 49:15
  flaws that I think will inevitably catch up to them in the playoffs. I think
• 49:18
  that's where I'm standing as of right now after 3 games. Yes, I agree.
• 49:21
  Patriots-Jags. They're bad. They're bad. The Patriots say
• 49:25
  they're bad. Oh, the Patriots are bad. They're all like, they're so bad. But like,
• 49:29
  that's not a fun thing. Like, don't make me say something boring just because you
• 49:33
  want to hear me. I just wanted to hear the— I just wanted to hear
• 49:35
  the phrase the Patriots are bad. That's all I wanted to hear. Now, I said
• 49:39
  it like 9 times. I know, but it makes me happy to hear it.
• 49:42
  So every once in a while I just want to hear you say it again.
• 49:43
  That's all. You guys are so fucking annoying. Everybody does
• 49:47
  this to me. I don't talk shit about your teams and then you make me
• 49:49
  say shit. Like, let me get through my fucking topic.
• 49:53
  Is the idea of benching Maye at this point does
• 49:56
  not make sense, but I do feel like it's coming. Like, I do feel like
• 50:00
  if Drake Maye is this bad, I don't know, what do you think,
• 50:04
  week 7? Dude, if he's this bad, what he's got,
• 50:07
  he's got 3 fumbles, he's got, uh, 6 interceptions, he's got 1
• 50:11
  touchdown. Oh, maybe I don't have the full thing. Yeah, he's got— but he did
• 50:14
  have— yeah, he had no touchdowns, 2 turnovers. Like, he's got so many turnovers.
• 50:17
  Oh, I'm talking about on the season. He's got 6, right? I'm just talking about
• 50:20
  this last game. He's got a— he's got at least 2 turnovers in every game.
• 50:23
  He's awful. He's been— he's been— it goes back to his performance in the playoffs
• 50:27
  too. So it's like, if he had been great in the playoffs, we'd be like,
• 50:29
  okay, whatever. This is looking rough. I don't— this is not a sustainable
• 50:34
  offense. This is an unsustainable situation. And losing one wide
• 50:38
  receiver, even if it is your best one, cannot cause you to melt down like
• 50:41
  this. Like, This is decision-making. This is an inability to use a very good
• 50:45
  athletic skill set. Like, this guy, the whole thing was that he was going to
• 50:49
  be able to make plays with his legs. He was going to be able to,
• 50:50
  like, you know, like improvise and do all the things that Mac Jones
• 50:54
  couldn't do. And he then he did it and it's not happening. He looks completely
• 50:58
  lost out there. I don't think you can
• 51:02
  play like this for more than a couple more games.
• 51:06
  I would agree. Without being benched. I would agree. And you know what's the other
• 51:09
  thing that I found really concerning was after the game, Mike Vrabel's press conference.
• 51:13
  He has no fucking idea what's going on. I like—
• 51:17
  he looks— he's got his defense playing decent, but like, but I've never seen Mike
• 51:21
  Vrabel like that even in the worst times. You want to hear my conspiracy theory?
• 51:23
  Let me hear it. My conspiracy theory is that, uh,
• 51:27
  because Drake May is a like weird little evangelical
• 51:31
  Christian— oh, you think he can't play for— you can't play for— I don't think
• 51:34
  he can play for, for for a, uh, cheater. Like, I genuinely—
• 51:38
  I'm genuinely wondering if he's like at home being like, Lord,
• 51:42
  like at home with his weird little cookie baking wife. Like,
• 51:46
  he's a— how am I— well, no, because she does
• 51:50
  like internet content, but she is like a weird little cookie baking wife. I don't
• 51:53
  know how to describe her otherwise. Okay. And, and May,
• 51:58
  um, but they got married really young, and I just think he's home praying about
• 52:01
  his, um, sinning head coach. Like, I, I've never seen anything like—
• 52:06
  like, they were like— it's the, the chemistry is not there. They don't— someone
• 52:09
  doesn't like someone, and it's not Mike Vrabel not liking his fucking franchise quarterback.
• 52:13
  Something's wrong in that relationship. Um, and so
• 52:17
  yeah, I do think we're— we are inching ever closer to Tommy DeVito time.
• 52:22
  Start Tommy DeVito in Boston. Let us— if we're going to win 3 games this
• 52:25
  year, let Tommy DeVito cook. Do you really want to see that with his
• 52:29
  agent back out there on the sidelines? Are you fucking kidding? Rocking Patriot gear.
• 52:32
  Yeah, do you know me? Of course. Okay, I didn't realize you
• 52:36
  liked the zoot suit guy. I love a tacky Italian-American. Oh, he is
• 52:40
  so tacky. He's like wearing like a feather in his fucking fedora.
• 52:44
  You to be— he's so stereotypical, it's outrageous. I want Jersey Shore
• 52:48
  level tacky Italian. That is what he is. Yeah,
• 52:51
  like I'm waiting for the guy to be like, yeah, I'm just over here at
• 52:54
  the shore. You don't understand how much Boston loves a
• 52:58
  tacky Italian Or like a hard-nosed Irish-American.
• 53:01
  Okay. Like, I know they love the hard-nosed Irish-American. That's— you
• 53:05
  know how much? So that's the whole thing is, is Boston is like half Italian-American,
• 53:08
  half Irish Catholic. Yeah. Oh, I just thought it was— I would, I would have
• 53:11
  thought it was like closer to 75% Irish Catholic. No, there's like a whole thing
• 53:15
  in Boston about it. You like— really? Yeah. It's like very similar to all— like,
• 53:19
  it's like New York and, and Chicago. So it's— oh, it's a lot more like
• 53:22
  Chicago. You know how there's a lot of Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans? In Chicago.
• 53:25
  It's a lot like that. Okay. Yeah. Anyways, Tommy DeVito.
• 53:30
  Tommy Cutlets time. I do want to quickly do MVP Watch.
• 53:33
  Will you bring up the NFL stats for MVP Watch, Mocha?
• 53:37
  Because I think we got to talk about Brock Purdy.
• 53:41
  It's not just when you watch the games, he's really doing a lot
• 53:45
  and they've dealt with injuries. And, you know, underneath him is obviously like
• 53:48
  Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes already have a bunch of MVPs. Joe Burrow,
• 53:53
  whatever. I— okay. EPA,
• 53:57
  like we're going off of EPA, but like Jared Goff has
• 54:01
  been much better than people have talked about. No one's touching Brock Purdy right
• 54:05
  now. Like in terms of if we're going to give it to a quarterback,
• 54:08
  which of course we're going to give it to a quarterback, God forbid we don't.
• 54:10
  Quarterback award right now, I'd give it to Brock Bowers probably based on one team,
• 54:14
  but on one game. But like, he's been really
• 54:17
  fucking good. Brock Purdy has been really good, and I
• 54:21
  am very much a Brock Purdy is the perfect quarterback
• 54:25
  for Kyle Shanahan's system person. Always have been. I always
• 54:28
  will be. Doesn't matter.
• 54:32
  He is the thing that is consistent about
• 54:35
  that offense more than anything, and that matters. And they
• 54:39
  are— and he is putting up beautiful numbers, and he's put— he's,
• 54:43
  he's doing stuff that's like— he's a really underrated athletic quarterback. He is.
• 54:47
  Um, you know what the thing about him is, and it's something you said earlier,
• 54:49
  and it's— and I apologize for the comparison, I'm not trying to compare anyone
• 54:53
  to Tom Brady, but it's that Tom Brady factor that he's just efficient, doesn't try
• 54:58
  to do the Josh Allen thing where he's like, okay, I'm gonna make us win.
• 55:01
  No, I'm gonna play in the system and I'm gonna fucking— yeah, move down the
• 55:04
  field because he's got a great system to play in. Um, I,
• 55:08
  I don't know, I really enjoy watching Brock Purdy play. He's fucking just good.
• 55:12
  And the 49ers Efficiency is a good word for them.
• 55:15
  They just— despite everyone dying, everyone on that team is dead,
• 55:19
  and they're still winning. I— they're so cursed. It is pretty fucking rough.
• 55:22
  They're not gonna ever win a title because they can't stay healthy. But Mike Evans
• 55:26
  now down. I also am not going to our headline too. I'm not doing
• 55:30
  it until I talk about the fact that Geno Smith is one of the best
• 55:33
  quarterbacks in the NFL. Like, right now he is playing at an insane level.
• 55:36
  He is 35 years old, he's been through the wringer, and he is fucking cooking.
• 55:40
  And regardless of what the Jets record looks like, that offense has looked awesome.
• 55:43
  And Geno Smith— they,
• 55:46
  they wrote me off, I ain't write back— yeah, is fucking cooking. And like,
• 55:50
  he deserves a lot of credit. He deserves a lot
• 55:53
  of— like, this is the most consistent he's been. He has been great in every
• 55:56
  single game. He's gotten better. This was his best game so far in
• 55:59
  this past week. Um, and I just— we— I'm not overlooking
• 56:03
  it because being a good quarterback on the Jets is fucking
• 56:07
  impossible. Yeah. You know, it's like trying to be like a great,
• 56:11
  a great waiter at a McDonald's. Like, it's just like they don't even need
• 56:15
  you. It's that you're useless at that point. Absolutely. But no, Geno is making it
• 56:18
  work. I'm happy for him. I'm always kind of rooting for Geno. I'm sorry it
• 56:21
  didn't work out in Vegas. He got hampered with a real shit situation.
• 56:25
  He's had so several. Like, it was just so fucked up, that situation
• 56:28
  last year. So I'm really happy for him.
• 56:32
  All right. That was football. We did an hour on football. Look at
• 56:35
  us go. Headline number 2. Yeah.
• 56:39
  Nick Saban is continuing to tour ESPN's daily
• 56:43
  shows to defend the Save College Sports Act. And I'm
• 56:48
  going to be honest, Stephen A. Smith, he actually did a decent job,
• 56:52
  did the best that he is capable of doing at offering an
• 56:56
  opportunity to play or offering a little bit of a pushback. A little bit.
• 56:59
  And I actually, I never give Stephen A. credit and I won't.
• 57:02
  Now, but I will almost give him credit for this because he did frame the
• 57:06
  question, in my opinion, quite respectfully and well.
• 57:09
  And then when he got the initial answer, he kind of did push back a
• 57:12
  little bit more to get him going into detail. And I don't think he intended
• 57:16
  this, but Nick Saban kind of spun himself into a fucking circle
• 57:19
  into the ground and, in my opinion, came away looking like a fucking
• 57:23
  idiot. Yeah, I think he— I think that Stephen A. Smith accidentally
• 57:26
  made him look stupid, but only by asking normal questions. And the questions
• 57:30
  he asked weren't all that crazy. It was like, He essentially was like, I am
• 57:33
  not stupid enough to not ask these questions. Like, that they're that basic that I
• 57:37
  even— I can't not. And just so we're clear, here was the question that he
• 57:39
  asked him. He said to him, what do you say to the people who
• 57:43
  think, okay, if we're gonna mitigate and put a cap on everything around the athletes,
• 57:48
  why don't we do this about the coaches? And then immediately Nick Saban went
• 57:52
  in a whole fucking weird-ass diatribe about how, well, those are just from
• 57:56
  different buckets, it's not the same thing. Uh, you know,
• 57:59
  what, what does a student bring— student athlete, you know, bring to a school
• 58:03
  compared to, say, like, uh, a professor? Of which the
• 58:07
  fuck are you talking about,
• 58:11
  motherfucker? You are in the same exact fucking bucket.
• 58:15
  You are fucking talking out of your ass. And then, to Stephen A.'s credit,
• 58:19
  said, well, you know, you are Nick Saban. That's a little different for
• 58:22
  you compared to another person. And then Nick Saban just dug himself
• 58:26
  a deeper grave. Not all these difficult of questions. You would think a
• 58:30
  guy that's trying to get something passed through Congress would actually be a little more
• 58:33
  well-spoken on the subject when he's actually remotely challenged
• 58:37
  with a borderline softball question. But he was not prepared even in the
• 58:41
  fucking slightest. Does make me laugh a little bit because he was like, Stephen A.
• 58:43
  Smith won't get— and Stephen was like, well, I am going to ask a normal
• 58:47
  question. I'm going to ask you a question a human is thinking.
• 58:50
  Repeatedly saying that they're two different markets, that the, that the
• 58:54
  coaching and the schools themselves are different markets
• 58:58
  than student athletes is a flat-out lie. He also appeared
• 59:03
  to defend it on Get Up today, too. He was defending— he's making the rounds.
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  And he said, you know, I think things got out of control
• 59:11
  with NIL and I want players to make money. I want players to have their
• 59:13
  own NIL. There's not any business in the world that can function without a budget
• 59:17
  and some guidelines. If you ask an NFL owner, would you What would you do
• 59:20
  if all your players were free agents every year? Oh, we couldn't operate. What would
• 59:23
  you do if you didn't have a salary cap? Oh, we couldn't operate. Fuck you.
• 59:27
  These are not actually— that's a lie. First of all,
• 59:31
  there are caps on all of these things. There is.
• 59:34
  There are actually caps to this. There are rules in place. If you
• 59:38
  want to adjust them, that's fine. Yep. What,
• 59:42
  what essentially what he's doing is he's, he's creating an argument
• 59:46
  that doesn't exist and then arguing against that. It's like, oh, what, you want everybody
• 59:49
  to like Just you want it to be like free roaming. Imagine if this was
• 59:52
  the NFL. First of all, the NFL itself technically
• 59:58
  did sort of operate in the system that the—
• 1:00:02
  that college sports kind of wants to go to, which is like pre-salary cap.
• 1:00:05
  Yes, they— by the way, and just so we're all clear,
• 1:00:09
  like there are a lot of people that want to really turn this into the
• 1:00:12
  dark ages of college football like that happened today in
• 1:00:17
  Congress. You know what? Why don't we put up the screenshot of like exactly what
• 1:00:20
  they're looking to do that we have there? The just the sort of oversight.
• 1:00:24
  This is the very basic idea of what the Protect College Sports
• 1:00:29
  Act is trying to do, which it would give the NCAA the ability to enforce
• 1:00:33
  spending cap, which would prevent lawsuits and allow schools
• 1:00:36
  to pay $50 million to players, nearly doubling cap,
• 1:00:40
  limit athletes to one transfer without penalty, and establish a 5-year
• 1:00:44
  window of competition. Prevent FBS coaches from coaching
• 1:00:47
  at new school before end of team's/coach's prior
• 1:00:51
  team's season. So that's their big thing is they're like, we'll stop
• 1:00:55
  Lane Kiffin. Yeah. Is that enough? And it's like, no,
• 1:00:58
  that should have literally never happened. It's sort of like when, like, if you have
• 1:01:02
  like a boyfriend who's like, fine, I will stop cheating on you. And you're like,
• 1:01:05
  can you? You should not have started. That's the bar. That's not the like—
• 1:01:09
  yeah, that's like, let's everybody chill out. Yeah. Let's raise the bar,
• 1:01:12
  giving us something that should literally not exist in the first place. But what
• 1:01:17
  I want to talk about a little bit is this idea of preventing the
• 1:01:22
  tamp— like the— it's right here. What is it? It's right here.
• 1:01:25
  And here is a great quote from Rocket Cheddar. Okay. Every other sports league has
• 1:01:29
  a union and a CBA. That's exactly what they're praying Congress
• 1:01:34
  to protect them from. This is about protecting schools. From unions.
• 1:01:38
  Rocket Cheddar is— I— A+ is one of my regular Threads
• 1:01:42
  engagers. Well, you're phenomenal, Rocket. She's really good. Yeah. Him,
• 1:01:46
  her, I don't know. They, they always
• 1:01:49
  got he vibes, but it could be a she, could be a they. Either way,
• 1:01:53
  could be a— could be a lantern squirrel situation. Oh, I love
• 1:01:56
  a lantern squirrel. Remember, Mogo doesn't socialize. Exactly.
• 1:02:01
  I The— this whole antitrust exemption thing
• 1:02:05
  is getting to what he's talking about, which is that they, they want to
• 1:02:09
  actually be able to legally collude just like the NFL.
• 1:02:12
  Yep. Just like the NBA. Yep. Just like all of these leagues. They want to
• 1:02:15
  be able to legally collude against the players. And this time they will be
• 1:02:19
  colluding against a workforce with no fucking union,
• 1:02:23
  no guaranteed contracts, no everything. You're basically taking
• 1:02:27
  the worst portion of the end of the NFL and making it a
• 1:02:31
  million times worse and way more exploitative. Way more. This somehow
• 1:02:36
  starts to become more exploitative than the
• 1:02:39
  NCAA was before NIL. Like,
• 1:02:43
  oh my God. I don't think people really understand
• 1:02:47
  what it would— what the reality would be like if there was no
• 1:02:51
  cap on coaching salaries, no cap on athletic director salaries,
• 1:02:55
  no cap on how much boosters can give an athletic department. But a
• 1:02:58
  cap on the players. And now you have antitrust exemptions and
• 1:03:02
  sort of understandings with the legal system and no players
• 1:03:06
  union. That's— it's— that's a disaster. Big-time disaster.
• 1:03:09
  Absolute disaster. Extremely exploitative. And, um,
• 1:03:13
  by the way, can we go back on what Nick Saban also said? Yeah.
• 1:03:16
  Uh, what you actually kind of quoted about— yeah, I talked to people in the
• 1:03:19
  NFL. What would happen if these were all free agents? You didn't have a salary
• 1:03:22
  cap. Well, we can't afford it.
• 1:03:25
  What? You think the NFL, the fucking
• 1:03:29
  National Football League, couldn't afford free agents? Couldn't afford
• 1:03:33
  a non-salary cap league? Do you— you really said that out
• 1:03:37
  loud? You, you are the dumbest fuck in the world,
• 1:03:40
  or just the biggest liar in the world? Liar. I'm gonna vote
• 1:03:44
  liar. I'm gonna go with the latter, because you can't— you can't be this fucking
• 1:03:48
  stupid. And the fact that you think we're this stupid Just— I fucking
• 1:03:52
  hate you, Nick Saban. You're a fucking piece of shit. He's really been on
• 1:03:56
  a— like, it's not that I ever thought he was a good person, but he's
• 1:03:59
  been on a, like, an absolute legendary reputation-ruining tour in his retirement.
• 1:04:05
  So just, just wanted to be aware of that. We're going to touch on the
• 1:04:08
  MLB playoffs in headline number 3. Oh, what do we got? I just like
• 1:04:12
  this quote. How do you take only the bad parts from a pro league?
• 1:04:15
  Help me. Help me. Like, there's a lot of
• 1:04:18
  good things in the NFL. Now we're gonna leave those alone. Let's get
• 1:04:22
  the shitty parts for us. We're gonna— we're— but because all the bad
• 1:04:26
  parts— that's the thing is all the bad parts benefit the owners and the people
• 1:04:30
  in charge and everything. And by the way, what, what seat at the table do
• 1:04:34
  the players have in any semblance in this congressional— it's— that's the craziest part
• 1:04:37
  is like, this could not— this is the most obvious
• 1:04:42
  shit I watched the NFL openly collude against Colin
• 1:04:45
  Kaepernick, and it was less obvious than whatever
• 1:04:49
  the fuck this is like. Let's be so for real.
• 1:04:53
  But by the way, just to go back, congratulate Stephen A. Smith. You did something
• 1:04:56
  that I didn't hate for once. That's pretty cool. That's something. No. And it really—
• 1:05:00
  it is. Sometimes it's really funny because it's like it does almost
• 1:05:04
  expose just how braindead Nick Saban's arguments here
• 1:05:08
  are. That like even Stephen A. Smith is like, I've been hearing some things that
• 1:05:12
  don't quite make sense. Yeah, that was a softball, by the way. Like, and you,
• 1:05:15
  and you still fucking drove yourself into a grave. Well, it's not a softball though,
• 1:05:18
  because that's, that's the kind of the thing is like he, he can't
• 1:05:23
  defend this act without talking himself into a corner because there's no way to do
• 1:05:26
  it. Fair. So that was the interesting part about Stephen A. choosing to
• 1:05:30
  ask the question because there's no way to answer it well on the— that it
• 1:05:33
  doesn't make you look stupid. Cody, um, we are officially into the MLB playoffs.
• 1:05:36
  Yes, baby. And you are our resident
• 1:05:40
  MLB expert. Why, thank you. I did play in the major leagues. You don't know
• 1:05:42
  that because I always forget that you played in the MLB. No, it happened.
• 1:05:46
  I do think it's really cool that you did that. And so I'd like
• 1:05:50
  to talk about baseball with you. We have— we
• 1:05:54
  had a little pre-show discussion, kind of what teams
• 1:05:57
  you have your eye on. And I feel like the team you are most
• 1:06:02
  eyeing in terms of like could upset some things, maybe you're hoping that
• 1:06:06
  they could. But the one that you seem most excited about, for reasons that
• 1:06:10
  are pretty fair that we're going to show you, is the White Sox,
• 1:06:14
  because they could potentially be the Pope's team of destiny. I don't know what to
• 1:06:18
  say other than the White Sox are the best story in baseball. Yeah, this is
• 1:06:21
  a team that lost 100 games like 3 years in a row. Just one of
• 1:06:25
  the most epically horrible runs in baseball history.
• 1:06:28
  No, this is— this is the dream. They're in the
• 1:06:32
  playoffs. They already had a great first game in Houston. One,
• 1:06:35
  uh, I can't stress this enough, the record in Major League Baseball
• 1:06:39
  thus far since this new wildcard round has been invented, the team that wins
• 1:06:42
  the first game has won, has gone, uh, 15-1 so far.
• 1:06:46
  And so like, it's basically in the stars for them to
• 1:06:50
  move on to the next round, which is astonishing, which they'll play their in-division rival,
• 1:06:53
  the Guardians. That'll be a very tough series if they get there,
• 1:06:57
  but it's not out of the realm that they win that series. The Guardians have
• 1:07:01
  also been known to blow it. Yes. So like, it's not out of the realm
• 1:07:04
  that the White Sox can get it. There is a— the White Sox could end
• 1:07:08
  up in the fucking ALCS. They lost 100
• 1:07:11
  fucking games last year. Like, that is— no, that's really fucking so cool to me.
• 1:07:15
  See, if you were me, you would have already been on Baseball
• 1:07:20
  Reference looking up if that's ever happened. Now, now, the Pope of it all.
• 1:07:24
  You add that in there. In fact, okay, we got to talk about the Pope.
• 1:07:26
  Let's talk about the Pope. Now, first things first, I want to point out the
• 1:07:29
  Chicago Pope. Pope, the Chicago Pope, uh, who is a diehard White Sox fan.
• 1:07:32
  Very, very well known at this point, even though the Cubs tried to claim him.
• 1:07:35
  But doesn't matter. Congratulations, Cubs. They're playing their game tonight. How did they try to
• 1:07:39
  claim him when he was at White Sox? They even put
• 1:07:43
  it on the board, uh, at Wrigley saying he's a Cubs fan.
• 1:07:46
  And like— and no, he wasn't. He's a White Sox fan. That would have— that
• 1:07:49
  would have actually made me feel really nervous. You can't fuck with the Pope.
• 1:07:52
  Yeah, you can't do that. That being said, everything's going great in Chicago right now.
• 1:07:55
  Cubs are in the playoffs, White Sox in the playoffs, and fucking Chicago Bears
• 1:07:59
  are fucking rolling. It's a wild time in Chicago sports. Pretty sweet.
• 1:08:01
  Yeah, that being said, I would love to first
• 1:08:05
  put this graphic up of the Pope because he sent the White Sox and Mr.
• 1:08:08
  Jerry Reinsdorf a lovely letter getting them ready
• 1:08:12
  for the playoffs. That arrived apparently this morning to the White
• 1:08:15
  Sox, and the Pope was on a plane yesterday. We have a video of it,
• 1:08:19
  and he was asked a very, very important question, of which I
• 1:08:22
  got some extra questions, but Here is the Pope being asked if he had anything
• 1:08:25
  to do with this divine intervention. Holy Father, I'm sure you're
• 1:08:29
  pretty aware that last night the Chicago White Sox made the playoffs.
• 1:08:33
  2 years ago, they just had the worst record in baseball's
• 1:08:37
  history. Sometimes call it a miracle. Do you have anything to do with that?
• 1:08:41
  No comment. That's my fucking Pope
• 1:08:45
  right there. He didn't. He didn't. No comment is— I'm
• 1:08:49
  taking it as an affirmative. It's a yes. Yes, I love it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:52
  Imagine if the White Sox won the World Series and then the Chicago Bears won
• 1:08:54
  the— like, it would be undeniable, and I probably would believe in God.
• 1:08:59
  I'm not gonna— that might make me believe in God, and I don't even like
• 1:09:02
  Chicago, but I would— I would be convinced at that point. I mean, fucking so
• 1:09:06
  cool. I'm, I'm really excited for the White Sox. I think they're the best story.
• 1:09:09
  Uh, I think the Red Sox and Yankees, uh, matchup is interesting because a few
• 1:09:12
  people got activated. Don't even talk to me about it right
• 1:09:16
  now. We're losing 1-0 right now in the bottom of the third. Just breathe.
• 1:09:17
  Just breathe. Just breathe. And then, of course, tonight, the Cubs and the
• 1:09:21
  Padres. The other team on the National League side that I think is going to
• 1:09:24
  be— could make an interesting run is the Padres. In my eyes, I really think
• 1:09:28
  they're in a bracket that is tough but winnable. And then if
• 1:09:31
  they— what I think is going to be and what I want to see,
• 1:09:34
  to be honest with you, I want to see an NLCS between the Dodgers and
• 1:09:37
  the Padres. I'm bored. I'm bored of Dodgers-Padres. Like, I don't—
• 1:09:41
  we haven't seen it with that much stakes in there. I want to see it.
• 1:09:43
  Yeah, because both these teams have knocked each other out over the last couple of
• 1:09:47
  years. They— when did the Padres knock them out? In 2023,
• 1:09:54
  or was it '22? The year before they went on the World Series runs,
• 1:09:57
  Padres knocked them out, and then the Dodgers knocked them out when
• 1:10:01
  they went to them. So it was '20— it was the year before that.
• 1:10:02
  Okay. Uh, and that was the Padres knocked them out, and I
• 1:10:06
  would like to see it. It is a rivalry that I think is real.
• 1:10:09
  I think a lot of Dodger fans very much undersell it because they always look
• 1:10:12
  at the Padres like they're their little brother. I, I would like to see it.
• 1:10:15
  That being said, maybe the Brewers do kind of finally not brew
• 1:10:18
  it up for one time. But I've watched the last 50 years. Um,
• 1:10:22
  I don't know, man. It's— I'm excited for these playoffs. On paper, I still think
• 1:10:26
  the Dodgers are gonna win. Whatever team is most likely to beat the Dodgers,
• 1:10:28
  quite honestly, I need the Dodgers to lose so that the players have more leverage
• 1:10:31
  going into the negotiation. You are not wrong about that. If the Dodgers do
• 1:10:35
  get knocked out, especially if they don't make it to the World Series— yeah,
• 1:10:37
  that's what I mean— that would be pretty big. Yeah. So real quick,
• 1:10:42
  seeding issues. You know, this is— we talk about this in the NFL all the
• 1:10:45
  time with the NFC North getting in. Yeah, there's no reason. The Diamondbacks,
• 1:10:50
  you know, my other team, my other team, my household team got
• 1:10:54
  screwed. 9th best record in baseball, didn't make the playoffs.
• 1:10:58
  And the, you know, had a much better record than the Astros who won their
• 1:11:01
  division and are now hosting a series. That's— we,
• 1:11:06
  we don't love that, right? Don't love it. We don't love that. I never would
• 1:11:09
  have loved it. And I think that people wanted to— like, yes, the Diamondbacks kind
• 1:11:13
  of screwed themselves, but they are very much a momentum team. Like, you get them
• 1:11:15
  into the playoffs, you never know what happens type, type team. So I was excited
• 1:11:18
  to see them potentially make it. But more than— more importantly, I do think that
• 1:11:23
  like what you do in the regular season should matter,
• 1:11:26
  like winning the games that you're supposed to win. And so,
• 1:11:30
  uh, I think that they should adjust this on in both the MLB and the
• 1:11:33
  NFL. I think I think we've hit— I used to defend it, but I actually
• 1:11:36
  think we've hit a point. I used to defend it. I cannot watch a,
• 1:11:39
  like, a 9-8 Bucs team host a 14-3 Vikings team ever again
• 1:11:43
  in my life. And I feel the same way about the MLB. So I watched
• 1:11:46
  a really interesting take that I've heard and thought of myself many times. I think
• 1:11:49
  I've said it once or twice, but I never really doubled down and made like
• 1:11:51
  a video about it. There's an ex-pitcher named Trevor May who I really was always
• 1:11:55
  a big fan of, both on the field. No relation to Drake? No, no,
• 1:11:58
  no relation to Drake. But he went on a whole thing. He made a video.
• 1:12:00
  I even reposted it because I agree with every syllable of it. His suggestion is
• 1:12:03
  we need to get rid of the the league system that we currently have because
• 1:12:06
  it doesn't make sense anymore. No AL/NL is what you're saying. And he's, he's right.
• 1:12:09
  Well, without the like difference in the DH, there's no difference. Yeah, there's no difference
• 1:12:12
  in the rules. There's no difference in anything. Everybody plays each other equal amount.
• 1:12:16
  I, I'm actually starting to think, and they have talked about maybe when,
• 1:12:20
  uh, the A's moved to Vegas and Major League Baseball expands another
• 1:12:24
  2 teams, there's a chance that we're going to end up just kind of redoing
• 1:12:28
  the whole structure, like the Dodgers, Angels, and Padres And D-backs
• 1:12:32
  would be like in a division together. I've always thought of regional divisions.
• 1:12:36
  Well, I mean, the— it's funny because
• 1:12:39
  the AL East actually isn't that— theirs is a little more— it's kind of like,
• 1:12:42
  I guess you would maybe move the— you move— oh, I know what people
• 1:12:46
  always say. They want the Phillies in the AL East. Okay.
• 1:12:49
  That's what they always say. It's really the Rays out and you put the Phillies
• 1:12:52
  in, which is sick. Yeah, I would actually fucking love that. Yeah,
• 1:12:56
  it is. But it would put the Yankees and the Mets in the same division.
• 1:12:58
  It would like— it would be a lot of cool shit. You don't like that?
• 1:13:01
  I love it. I love that. I was, I was being serious. The other option,
• 1:13:05
  and I don't hate this either, and I don't think he said this, this is
• 1:13:08
  me thinking out loud right now, just do East and West NBA style.
• 1:13:13
  Sure. The end. It's so easy. Even then, just 1 through 9 on both
• 1:13:16
  sides and call it a day. Oh, in terms of— oh, in terms of the,
• 1:13:19
  um, seating? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, almost exactly do it like the NBA.
• 1:13:22
  And then the Diamondbacks make it in that world. And then the Diamondbacks
• 1:13:26
  make it in that world, and we don't have to deal with fucking Houston Astros
• 1:13:28
  with a below .500 record in the fucking playoffs. Watch them make
• 1:13:32
  the cut with a home field advantage, mind you. Watch them make the World Series
• 1:13:35
  and then we don't fucking say that they're playing the White Sox.
• 1:13:39
  In Media Corner, we have a couple of really short stories that I just
• 1:13:43
  want to kind of touch on really quickly. We've talked a
• 1:13:47
  lot about how ESPN is killing the middle class of sports media by essentially like
• 1:13:50
  revolving their entire network around like very
• 1:13:54
  few highly paid talking heads who they
• 1:13:57
  use everywhere. And they have gotten rid of the experts
• 1:14:01
  and the people that we relied on to have the smaller, more intricate conversations,
• 1:14:05
  the niche conversations, the people we relied on to have the interesting conversations that we
• 1:14:08
  wanted to hear people have. And it's been
• 1:14:12
  really interesting as an independent show ourselves
• 1:14:16
  to watch that the Pivot has successfully,
• 1:14:21
  in their early stages, become a show that is giving
• 1:14:24
  us exactly what we've been missing from ESPN. Now they focus
• 1:14:28
  very much on the NFL. I, you know, I have not watched enough of
• 1:14:32
  the pivot to know how they'll transition into other sports and everything else.
• 1:14:36
  But this is— as much as we've seen the, uh, in the
• 1:14:40
  investment of Netflix in buying the show and,
• 1:14:44
  um, the investment of Howard Schultz from Starbucks into the show and
• 1:14:48
  injecting cash flow, that's still a much more middle-class,
• 1:14:52
  uh, operation than something like ESPN. ESPN, owned by Disney.
• 1:14:57
  I, you know, this is a, a new model
• 1:15:01
  that kind of started, I think,
• 1:15:05
  with Bill Simmons. I think you're right. It's funny, it's the first
• 1:15:09
  thing I thought of as well when he left. He, you know, he left behind
• 1:15:13
  Grantland, goes and starts The Ringer, and says like, I have
• 1:15:17
  enough credibility at this point
• 1:15:22
  having already had, you know, all started the podcast thing and all that, that I
• 1:15:25
  am going to start my own network. And then I'm going to get— I'm
• 1:15:28
  going to have my brand and my IP bought,
• 1:15:33
  you know, I'm going to have that invested in, right? Like rather than the other
• 1:15:36
  way around, rather than like hire me and I'll do stuff for you. No,
• 1:15:39
  it's you're going— I'm going to, I'm going to make distribution deals
• 1:15:43
  essentially with other platforms. So he, uh, signed a distribution deal with HBO,
• 1:15:48
  signs a distribution deal with Spotify, eventually sells
• 1:15:52
  and like still runs the company. All these things, right?
• 1:15:56
  This seems to be the way that,
• 1:15:59
  uh, independent people who've worked in establishment
• 1:16:03
  sports media— that is a big part of it. You do have to have created
• 1:16:07
  in some way, shape, or form a name for yourself in establishment sports media.
• 1:16:09
  No other way to do it, unfortunately, which is Maybe, and maybe that will change,
• 1:16:13
  right? Maybe that will change as we move forward. But that's
• 1:16:17
  kind of is to say like, okay, now I create my own brand and,
• 1:16:20
  and I make, and I make these platforms come
• 1:16:23
  to me and they, and they become the distributors of something already. Now Pat McAfee
• 1:16:28
  did the same thing with ESPN. That's how he fucking got in on ESPN was
• 1:16:31
  saying my podcast is so popular.
• 1:16:35
  They brought him in and then they, they saw the opportunities there. Now he's become
• 1:16:38
  establishment media, different thing. How do you—
• 1:16:42
  have you been noticing online at all? Have you been seeing
• 1:16:45
  the clips? Have you been seeing what The Pivot has been doing? Only a couple.
• 1:16:49
  Okay. But it's in the chat right here that The Pivot is fun to watch
• 1:16:52
  as well as highly knowledgeable. So it seems like some people are actually enjoying it.
• 1:16:56
  So it's really interesting because the one thing I noticed
• 1:17:00
  was that they were the only show after the Ravens-Cowboys
• 1:17:05
  game to talk about what the Ravens had done at the
• 1:17:08
  end of the game, both defensively and offensively, to set themselves up for a 6-
• 1:17:12
  us rather than just talk about the Cowboys collapsing, how bad they were, how stupid
• 1:17:16
  they were, how bad it was. Talking head annoying bullshit, right? I don't think Colin
• 1:17:20
  Cowherd— I watched the first 10 minutes of his show to see what his A-block
• 1:17:24
  was for that, for that game. I don't think he said Lamar Jackson's name.
• 1:17:29
  Like, I don't think he said his name. Well, he's, you know, not the most
• 1:17:32
  important player on the team. Stephen A. Smith was obviously going to lead. I didn't
• 1:17:35
  expect that. Like, his shtick is hating the Cowboys, so like Okay,
• 1:17:40
  um, get up. Like, this was all about did the Cowboys collapse
• 1:17:44
  and acted like, like, like, that's not even football analysis. Like, we didn't,
• 1:17:48
  we didn't look. And what Ryan Clark did was he said like,
• 1:17:51
  everything you're craving, I'm gonna give it to you. I'm gonna be animated, dynamic.
• 1:17:54
  I'm gonna give it to you on a beautiful set. I'm gonna show you all
• 1:17:56
  the film. It's really giving me a tiny sliver
• 1:17:59
  of hope. It really is. I don't know how successful
• 1:18:04
  it's gonna be on Netflix. I don't know where it's going to land, but I
• 1:18:06
  like that it's something. It's something in the direction of what we love
• 1:18:10
  and why we love doing what we do.
• 1:18:13
  Because you're right. Like, I think I even saw a funny
• 1:18:16
  video from Ron Funches today. He's saying, I've been hired as the new CEO
• 1:18:20
  of ESPN. And here— and he does this whole bit. He's like, you guys like
• 1:18:24
  good sports analysis? Not here anymore. Do you guys like getting drunk with your
• 1:18:28
  frat boy friends? Hey, come to ESPN because that's all it is.
• 1:18:32
  And that's That's the thing is like, I still want to learn. Yeah,
• 1:18:35
  like I am not one of those people who's like, I know everything,
• 1:18:38
  nobody can tell me anything, whatever. Now nobody in my Threads comments
• 1:18:43
  is going to teach me about football. I love you guys if you— but like,
• 1:18:47
  I'm— I want to learn from the people I've always learned from.
• 1:18:50
  And, and that like, I am obviously being a little facetious. I have absolutely learned
• 1:18:54
  things from my Threads commenters, from my whatever, people who DM me and
• 1:18:58
  say like, oh hey, I knew this person and Like, whatever. And that, like,
• 1:19:01
  of course I'm being facetious, but realistically, like,
• 1:19:04
  I learned stuff. I learned about the,
• 1:19:08
  the approach that the Ravens defense took at the end of that game that I
• 1:19:11
  would not have learned on ESPN or Fox Sports anywhere. No one was fucking
• 1:19:15
  talking about it. No one was breaking down football in any way. I'm not saying
• 1:19:18
  that First Take or Colin Cowherd or whatever should be breaking down film
• 1:19:22
  all the time or whatever, but like, in some way, shape, or form These shows
• 1:19:25
  used to be like, hey, we're gonna bring in— I'm gonna bring in a Hasselbeck
• 1:19:30
  brother to tell us what happened. Like something, right? Give me some actual analysis
• 1:19:35
  that isn't, did the Cowboys fucking blow it? It's just— and I love that.
• 1:19:38
  And I loved when I used to work on these shows and I would sit
• 1:19:41
  with these players and the people that they were bringing in and these other
• 1:19:45
  analysts, and they would break the game down and show it to me and talk
• 1:19:49
  to me about it. And I would ask questions and we would research things.
• 1:19:53
  And I would learn. And I really like— I
• 1:19:57
  can't— it's getting to the point where I don't even blame people for not understanding
• 1:20:01
  what's going on. I don't blame you. And it
• 1:20:04
  is really like a dumbing down of the whole thing that really bugs me.
• 1:20:07
  Like, I'll give you another sort of like the whole country, right? Yeah, very much
• 1:20:10
  so. It's idiocracy of sports now, and we don't need more idiocracy. There's plenty of
• 1:20:14
  it. It's another thing. Like, remember a couple of months ago when, when Ryan Clark
• 1:20:17
  got in trouble for, quote unquote, talking down to what's his name?
• 1:20:21
  Talking down to who? Who was the guy who came from NFL Network? Who,
• 1:20:25
  uh, Kyle Brandt? No, the other one. Pete Schrager. Oh yeah, I do remember.
• 1:20:29
  I remember. And like, everyone's like, how dare you talk down to Pete Schrager?
• 1:20:32
  Motherfucker, Pete Schrager's knowledge of football is here and Ryan
• 1:20:36
  Clark's is up here. Like, is this a fucking joke? And it's not even just
• 1:20:39
  because Ryan Clark played. Yeah, that's the thing that pisses me off is like,
• 1:20:43
  Ryan Clark's good at talking about football not just because he played, because he
• 1:20:46
  has worked his ass off to be a— like, he— like,
• 1:20:50
  communication, like, studying. I agree. Studying journalism. I agree. He is
• 1:20:53
  everything Ocho thinks he is. Exactly. And he's— and he—
• 1:20:57
  so he's worked his ass off to become a great communicator, a great sort of,
• 1:21:00
  uh, media, like,
• 1:21:03
  personality. And the ability to present the knowledge
• 1:21:07
  you have is not the same as just being a former player. You're a
• 1:21:11
  former baseball player. You're good at talking about sports because you've worked your ass off
• 1:21:14
  to be good at it, not because you've played baseball. There's most
• 1:21:19
  people who played baseball are bad at talking about how— very much so,
• 1:21:22
  very much so, right? But like, to me,
• 1:21:26
  the, the thing that makes somebody really interesting is
• 1:21:29
  when they're like, I played this and then I studied how to talk about how
• 1:21:31
  I played this. That is the best. Those are the
• 1:21:35
  best analysts that we have, are people who always felt like they wanted to be
• 1:21:39
  in the media. So I'll give you another example. You mentioned the other name,
• 1:21:41
  the Kyle Brant of it all. Like, I have no— like, listen, I have nothing
• 1:21:44
  against Kyle Brant. I'm sure he's a perfectly nice guy. He's not. He's actually a
• 1:21:48
  really— he's not a perfect— well, then he can go fuck himself. I have no
• 1:21:50
  idea how Kyle Brandt's on fucking TV talking about football. I really don't. Like,
• 1:21:54
  literally. And I, I don't really fucking know. I don't mind saying this. I have
• 1:21:58
  heard nothing but horror stories about how he treats people. Really?
• 1:22:01
  Oh, horror stories. Well, I'll tell you this. Like, I understand right now they're having
• 1:22:04
  this whole thing where he's coming in and giving speeches and they're like trying to
• 1:22:07
  get that to go. What the fuck is this doing on TV when I'm trying
• 1:22:11
  to get like sports analysis? This. Like, what the fuck is the real world guy
• 1:22:14
  doing here? Like, your qualifications in what he was doing in, in fucking
• 1:22:18
  2003— fucking qualifications were that you were on a reality TV show.
• 1:22:21
  I fucking can't— by the way, then you were Jim Rome's sidekick.
• 1:22:25
  Like, that's— that was what you were doing. I just can't fucking fathom this.
• 1:22:29
  I truly— it makes no sense to me. And here's the truth.
• 1:22:33
  Hey, just, just so we're clear, by the way, yeah, we're talking— while I'm talking
• 1:22:36
  shit about Kyle Brandt When Kyle Brandt was out and
• 1:22:39
  Jim Rome needed help with his show, because Jim Rome uses writers just
• 1:22:44
  like anybody else or whatever, I started writing, ghostwriting for Jim Rome. I would write
• 1:22:48
  stuff for him, like freelance, and he would like, you know, he'd tell me what
• 1:22:52
  he wanted to talk about. I'd write him like literal, you know, stuff for him
• 1:22:55
  to say on air, funny stuff, like little bits, little rants, whatever.
• 1:23:01
  Not gonna lie, I was I'm not going to
• 1:23:05
  say exactly what Jim Rome said, but yeah,
• 1:23:08
  he, he didn't exactly miss Kyle Brandt at that point. I can, I can definitely
• 1:23:12
  imagine that. I just don't— I just don't think about Kyle. He said he liked
• 1:23:15
  him, but I was fucking better. Yeah, I believe— fucking— I can't, I can't fathom
• 1:23:18
  it any other way. I truly don't understand
• 1:23:22
  what sports media fucking is, even wants to be anymore.
• 1:23:26
  Like, that's what ESPN is. And listen, I know, like I've said this over The
• 1:23:30
  truth is, I officially don't watch any of these shows. And I did used to
• 1:23:34
  watch Get Up. I used to like watching Get Up. I don't anymore. I don't
• 1:23:37
  like watching any of it anymore. The only, you know, the only—
• 1:23:41
  PTI. No, I like PTI. And you know what else I like? Because they do
• 1:23:46
  the talking head. We're not going to break down film, but we are going to
• 1:23:48
  bro out a little bit and enjoy it. Talk to me first. First things
• 1:23:52
  first. Oh, yeah. But I'm not— I've never really loved that show either, to be
• 1:23:56
  honest. No, what I'm saying— but I get it. But like what they do is
• 1:23:58
  like a very specific likable thing, and they like
• 1:24:02
  football. Brew gets on and he does his little shtick about like,
• 1:24:06
  I didn't like it, I loved it. And they go through the thing and they
• 1:24:10
  do like— he— they brought out a thing today about how he does this Ravens
• 1:24:12
  bit every week now, like when the Ravens win, how he pretends he's like not
• 1:24:16
  impressed and then says he loved— he, he didn't like it, he loved it.
• 1:24:20
  And so they bring out a box and on the front of it is written
• 1:24:23
  box of— for Brew's bit or whatever, like, and it's like his shit for
• 1:24:26
  his for the bit he's about to do. So they lean into the unseriousness
• 1:24:31
  of it. They don't try to pretend they're being serious about it.
• 1:24:34
  They're having fun watching football. I'll give them credit for that. That's great.
• 1:24:38
  And that's a show that should exist, but it needs to
• 1:24:42
  exist alongside something that's actually breaking— like, you need to watch the real football
• 1:24:46
  show and then you watch the First Take, the First Things First show where they
• 1:24:49
  do like the fun bits and they argue and they have all their favorite teams
• 1:24:52
  and they do their bits. I think there's space for all of it, but it
• 1:24:56
  can't be— it can't be people earnestly
• 1:25:01
  doing bits. The bit—
• 1:25:05
  that's why I like First Things First. The bit is obvious. They call it a
• 1:25:08
  bit. They do stupid shit so that the audience understands they're,
• 1:25:12
  they're playing into the fandom and they're having fun with it and they're enjoying it
• 1:25:16
  and they're honestly leaning into their fandom.
• 1:25:19
  What Dan Orlovsky does and what a lot of these people have started to do
• 1:25:23
  is to disingenuously sell
• 1:25:27
  a bit as real fact.
• 1:25:30
  That Justin Herbert as a top 5, 6, 7 quarterback is a
• 1:25:35
  fucking bit. Like,
• 1:25:38
  that's not analysis. And that's what I hate. I agree with that.
• 1:25:42
  Wholeheartedly agree with that. And Listen, I'm really
• 1:25:45
  excited for what— listen, I don't, I don't watch The Pivot. I've seen clips and
• 1:25:49
  I think it's pretty impressive what they're doing. I'm hopeful. It actually gives me hope
• 1:25:52
  for the future of this, of this entire medium and this entire kind
• 1:25:56
  of sphere, because there are locations that could
• 1:26:01
  adopt things like a Regulars, like a Pivot, like all these things.
• 1:26:05
  It's just we haven't seen it happen yet. We haven't seen this full
• 1:26:09
  go into sports. It's just still more of the shit. If it makes you feel
• 1:26:11
  any better, the backlash to how bad these these networks are getting is, is louder
• 1:26:15
  than it's ever been. Um, before we close out the show,
• 1:26:19
  um, I do want to say that we have to let athletes
• 1:26:23
  who played their entire career for an organization say we
• 1:26:27
  on national television. We have to stop being pissy about it.
• 1:26:30
  People, people, Bears fans were mad that Jason Kelce was saying we about
• 1:26:34
  the Eagles, and he was like, stop it, because— and I guess SVP or somebody
• 1:26:38
  called him out. I won't even read the headline, but I think it's funny,
• 1:26:40
  but Like, guys, why?
• 1:26:44
  Jason Kelce is still going to give you as best as he possibly can,
• 1:26:47
  like, unbiased takes about the game. You're always going to give it
• 1:26:51
  a little bit of bias because you already do. He's a lifelong Philadelphia
• 1:26:55
  Eagle. Leave Jason Kelce alone. He's gonna say we.
• 1:26:59
  I'll give you an example. Like, today I had, uh, Mark Schlereth on the team,
• 1:27:02
  lifelong, uh, Broncos player. I,
• 1:27:05
  I had to ask him about my Raiders, and he very begrudgingly had
• 1:27:09
  to say nice things about the Raiders. And I thought it was funny because he
• 1:27:13
  doesn't want to say nice things about him. Do you want like robots on
• 1:27:16
  to like— how weird would it be? I have always thought
• 1:27:20
  this, and I wanted to get your opinion. Maybe you feel differently. I've always thought
• 1:27:23
  it would be so much weirder to pretend you don't have an allegiance. Like when
• 1:27:27
  Tom Brady pretended to not— like when he was
• 1:27:31
  like, I don't— I'm not gonna root for the Patriots, I don't care. Like that,
• 1:27:34
  people were like That's so fucking weird to say you're not gonna root for
• 1:27:38
  the Patriots in the, in the Super Bowl. Like, he got shit for that,
• 1:27:40
  right? So I feel like it's weirder to pretend you don't have
• 1:27:45
  a relationship to the team you played your whole career for— completely
• 1:27:49
  agree— than it is to be like, we— I'll give you
• 1:27:52
  examples. That motherfucker went to Super Bowls with Jalen Hurts.
• 1:27:56
  Yes, like, that's his friend. You put him on TV. Like, I don't know what
• 1:27:59
  to tell you. Like, like, guys, Take it, someone from as low level of a
• 1:28:02
  baseball player that I was, I have allegiances to a
• 1:28:06
  couple of teams I played for. I still root for the Padres. I, I have
• 1:28:09
  a lot of love for the Padres. I absolutely root for the Diamondbacks. It was
• 1:28:13
  the best fucking organization I ever played for. Like, I root for the Red Sox.
• 1:28:16
  You really do. Like, you do. Like, you were texting me snakes alive.
• 1:28:19
  You were getting— I was fired up. I want to see them succeed because they
• 1:28:23
  were, they were legitimately the best organization I played for. Turns out the only team
• 1:28:27
  alive is alive. Socks alive. Both socks. Chicago Pope. But like, I,
• 1:28:31
  I don't know. I don't know how the chat feels, but like, T, I— listen,
• 1:28:35
  if you're saying we and you played 2 seasons for them, like in your last
• 1:28:39
  2 years of your career, like, okay, I get that that could be annoying.
• 1:28:42
  But like, fucking Jason Kelce, are you
• 1:28:45
  kidding? So you think that Travis Kelce should get on air after he retires
• 1:28:49
  and not say we about the Chiefs? Yeah, it's gonna happen
• 1:28:52
  a lot. Like, come on, guys. Like That's crazy talk.
• 1:28:56
  Like, that's not— we don't need to do it. Now, if you're calling games,
• 1:29:00
  if you're in the broadcast booth, you can't say we. I understand that. I get
• 1:29:03
  that. But if you're doing a postgame, call the Cowboys we. No, I get that.
• 1:29:06
  That's different. But Jason Kelce is not doing that. Exactly. He's just on the,
• 1:29:09
  on the booth and on the panel. And also he does like a bunch of
• 1:29:13
  other, like, you know, like he's, he's a, he's a personality hire.
• 1:29:17
  He's a personality hire. Yeah. And a good one too. Like how you are on
• 1:29:20
  the show. That's hurtful. That's good. Oh, that's good.
• 1:29:24
  Everybody, you're the personality here. You're everybody's favorite. I'm just here for the personality.
• 1:29:27
  I'm the one, I'm the one who's yelling at people all the time. Yeah,
• 1:29:30
  but you say that, but when we go places, everybody fucking— yeah,
• 1:29:33
  yeah, but that's in real life. On the show, welcome to the Rose Bowl!
• 1:29:38
  What can I fucking do for you? What can I fucking do for you?
• 1:29:41
  Fuck. Mocha, we were gonna get to Pop Culture Corner, but we talked too much
• 1:29:45
  about football. Are you sad?
• 1:29:48
  I'm okay. He goes, no, I'm okay,
• 1:29:52
  I'm hungry. Oh my God. Well, we have to get out of here so Mo
• 1:29:55
  can get his food. No, it actually is like— it's like Franklin.
• 1:29:59
  Like, it's like your dogs who get like mad if you can't feed them before
• 1:30:02
  the end of the show. It's Mocha. It's true. So yeah, um, energy to get
• 1:30:05
  to my points anyway. No, that's fair. So there you go. So you're relieved.
• 1:30:09
  So I guess we'll save this Pop Culture Corner for Friday's show and Get
• 1:30:13
  ready, fuel up for Friday, guy. Yeah, goddamn,
• 1:30:16
  your moment's coming. Yeah, make sure you know. Yeah,
• 1:30:20
  you gotta— we gotta like order you food here or something if you're gonna come
• 1:30:23
  starving. Damn, we can't be having, having you starving over there.
• 1:30:29
  The Red Sox are— wait, did we check the score? I have not checked the
• 1:30:32
  score. We're gonna go check the score in a second. I'm gonna check it right
• 1:30:35
  now. Uh, it's still 1-nothing. Okay, 1-nothing. At the
• 1:30:39
  top of the 5th. Oh no.
• 1:30:42
  Okay, well, listen, here's the thing. Boston, one more look.
• 1:30:46
  One more look. Even though she's a Baltimore girl. Even though I'm a huge Baltimore—
• 1:30:51
  everybody knows it. Everybody knows. Just factual. I did have the time of my
• 1:30:55
  life in Baltimore though when I went. I really did. I fucking loved it.
• 1:30:58
  So the one time I did feel like I was at home. No,
• 1:31:02
  Baltimore. Baltimore is my favorite song by fucking Anyway,
• 1:31:06
  by Randy Newman. Oh, Randy Newman has a song named Baltimore?
• 1:31:10
  Yeah, it's a great song. Really? Oh yeah, I'll play for you after we're off
• 1:31:13
  the show so we don't get flagged. Okay, well, obviously, yeah, we can't be getting
• 1:31:16
  the Randy Newman flag. If I'm gonna get flagged for anyone, it's gonna be Randy
• 1:31:20
  Newman. It's gonna be— make no fucking mistake, I love me some Randy Newman.
• 1:31:22
  Yeah. Oh man. Well, Tanya, tell the people where they can find us. They can
• 1:31:26
  find us on, uh, @theregulars on Instagram.
• 1:31:30
  On TikTok. Oh, by the way, I post our stuff on TikTok too. You got
• 1:31:34
  to make sure everybody follow me there. But also you got to, you got to
• 1:31:37
  like, you got to share, you got to subscribe to the actual YouTube
• 1:31:41
  channel because that's how we're going to be able to get ourselves
• 1:31:44
  to the place where we can do more cooler stuff. We can start moving this
• 1:31:48
  thing in a certain direction. We can start having guests. Yes.
• 1:31:51
  Maybe eventually leaving Los Angeles and going places
• 1:31:55
  unknown. So if you really want to see things kick off, that's how you got
• 1:31:59
  to do it. You got to like, share, subscribe. You got to follow us on
• 1:32:00
  Instagram. You got to share the clips. You got to share the stuff that I
• 1:32:03
  post to both Instagram and Threads. Check out the podcast wherever you get your favorite
• 1:32:06
  podcasts. Apple, Spotify.
• 1:32:09
  That's really— that's Apple, Spotify, which is where you get your favorite podcasts.
• 1:32:13
  Yeah, I did not put it everywhere else because that's fine. I did not like
• 1:32:16
  their terms. Good to know. Apple, Spotify, check us out
• 1:32:20
  there at The Regulars Pod. I did not like the iHeartMedia terms. And yeah,
• 1:32:22
  that's it. We are— we're not going to talk about the bloody sock today because
• 1:32:26
  this now is not the time. The Red Sox are in the playoffs. Okay.
• 1:32:30
  But that doesn't mean that we're not going to— we're not going to say it
• 1:32:32
  forever and always. Oh, fuck her. Chill.
• 1:32:35
  Fuck her.