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Search Continues for Hiker-Mom Rachel Morin MYSTERY PERP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The community is stunned after
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Speaker 1: they learn that hiker Mom out on a very well
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Speaker 1: known trail, the Maw and Paw Trail, ends up brutally
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Speaker 1: murdered and I think sext attacked as well. But in
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Speaker 1: the last days, a major break in the case in
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Speaker 1: the search for the killer of a mother of five,
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Speaker 1: so called hiker Mom, Rachel Mourn. I'm Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Foxination and Series XM one eleven. We have a
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Speaker 1: very good idea who is the purp? First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend, Colonel William Davis.
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Speaker 2: DNA evidence is part of nearly every modern day investigation,
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Speaker 2: and in Rachel's case, DNA evidence was collected by our
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Speaker 2: Forensic Services Union. That DNA was analyzed by the Maryland
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Speaker 2: State Police and it was ran through National Code Assystem.
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Speaker 2: DNA evidence is I mean this DNA evidence has come
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Speaker 2: back as a match tied to a home invasion and
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Speaker 2: insult and an assault of a young girl in Los
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Speaker 2: Angeles this past March. Unfortunately, that suspect has not been
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Speaker 2: positively identified, but he did leave behind his DNA Based
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Speaker 2: on the DNA evidence, we considered the individual in the
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Speaker 2: video we obtained from the Los Angeles Police Department and
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Speaker 2: that we are about to show you on our TV
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Speaker 2: screens to be the person that murdered Rachel Mooren on
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Speaker 2: August fifth DNA.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing? We actually have someone's genetic identification deyak
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Speaker 1: survivy Nclake acid. It's a genetic fingerprint. But we don't
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Speaker 1: have the perp. We don't know his name. We know
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Speaker 1: everything about him because of his DNA, but we don't
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Speaker 1: have him. And why do we think he is Rachel's killer?
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Speaker 1: What more do we know?
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Speaker 2: Listen base and our analysis of this video at Weakness Observations,
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Speaker 2: we believe the suspect to be approximately five foot nine,
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Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty pounds and of Hispanic descent. If
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Speaker 2: you have any information about this suspect, we are asking
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Speaker 2: you to priest call our detectives at our tip line
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Speaker 2: and I tip. My number is four to one zero
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Speaker 2: eight three six seven, seven eighty eight. And we've also
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Speaker 2: established a dedicated tip email address and that email address
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Speaker 2: is r M tips at Harfordshriff dot org. Again, that's
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Speaker 2: r M as in Razer Mooren Tips at Hartfordshriff dot Org.
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Speaker 1: It's killing me to know that we know so much
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Speaker 1: about the man believed to have murdered this beautiful young
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Speaker 1: mom of five, but he's connected to a home invasion
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Speaker 1: assault in LA over two thousand miles away. Joining me
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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we
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Speaker 1: know right now. But first take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut seventy six from the Harvard Sheriff's Office.
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Speaker 2: We collected DNA from our crime scene. The Maryland State
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Speaker 2: Police analyzed that crime that DNA for us, ran it
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Speaker 2: through the National Coding System and that came back as
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Speaker 2: a match through the crime that occurred in Los Angeles
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Speaker 2: where they had recovered DNA from this person that get
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Speaker 2: saw in the video, the video that we watched.
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Speaker 3: Let it tell us about I mean what Los Angeles
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Speaker 3: police released achieve.
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Speaker 4: But what is it is that home?
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Speaker 1: Is it at a scene of a crime? Is at
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Speaker 1: a home?
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Speaker 2: And that is the suspect leaving the home the scene
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Speaker 2: of the crime there, and that.
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Speaker 1: Was a home invasion and assault, he said, correct, of.
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Speaker 5: A little girl?
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Speaker 2: Is that just a young girl? That's I'm going to
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Speaker 2: leave it at a younger. I don't want to talk
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Speaker 2: about the family there, but it was a young girl.
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Speaker 4: In the house, a kind of soul.
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Speaker 1: We know so much. He's within our grasp, but we
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Speaker 1: don't have a name. And also interesting, we don't have
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Speaker 1: a face. Again, I'm Nancy Grace and this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us, joining us right now. Sheriff
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Gaelor, Sheriff of the Harford County Sheriff's Office, and
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Speaker 1: you can find him at Hartfordshriff dot org. Sheriff, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for being with us. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: get to the who, what, where, wife?
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Speaker 5: When?
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Speaker 1: But does it just drive you crazy? You know so
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Speaker 1: much about this guy. You know his origin, you know
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Speaker 1: his height, you know all about him is very d
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Speaker 1: and a but you don't know who he is. You
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Speaker 1: can't put out an APB on you know, Charles Madson,
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Speaker 1: you can't do it. You don't have a name. Is
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Speaker 1: that driving you crazy?
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Speaker 4: Sure?
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Speaker 3: Nancy, thanks for having me on, and you know to
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Speaker 3: what our detectives are working so hard on is what's
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Speaker 3: driving our community crazy. It is frustrating. But the reason
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Speaker 3: we appreciate the opportunity to be on any media is
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Speaker 3: because someone out there does know that person's name. Someone's
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Speaker 3: going to look at that video, someone's going to look
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Speaker 3: at the still shots from the video. And I'm as
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Speaker 3: frustrated as everybody else. I read the comments on social media.
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Speaker 3: Where's the other side of his face? If we had it,
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Speaker 3: we would put it out there. We just haven't obtained
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Speaker 3: it yet. Hopefully there's some medicinal video footage that will
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Speaker 3: come our way. But off of what's there, off of
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Speaker 3: his build, off of his walk, off of his appearance,
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Speaker 3: there's someone out there in the world who knows exactly
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Speaker 3: who that person is, and we need that person to
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Speaker 3: tell us so that we can get a match on
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Speaker 3: the DNA and put this monster behind bars.
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Speaker 1: This is reminiscent of a case now famous or should
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Speaker 1: I say infamous, The disappearance of Jennifer Kesse, a beautiful
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Speaker 1: young girl. When her parents got to her condo when
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Speaker 1: she didn't show up for work, they see that she's
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Speaker 1: just gotten out of the shower. It's still damp, the
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Speaker 1: towels are damp, her clothes for the day are laid out.
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Speaker 1: She'd liked to lay her clothes out on the bed
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Speaker 1: before she went to work, but no Jennifer. An exhaustive
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Speaker 1: search has ensued since Jennifer went missing and a video emerges. Yes,
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Speaker 1: a video of an unknown mail walking directly along in
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Speaker 1: front of her condo, but no face. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our car friends from CBS.
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Speaker 6: The person could not be identified because the surveillance video
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Speaker 6: captured a photo every three seconds, and each time the
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Speaker 6: figure's face was obstructed by a fence post. In twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 6: the Kessies recruited private investigator Michael Tretta to help them
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Speaker 6: conduct their own investigation. Tretta learned from speaking with people
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Speaker 6: who lived in Jennifer's complex that construction workers were living
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Speaker 6: in an empty apartment just across from Jennifer.
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Speaker 1: All this that's even a video, but just at the
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Speaker 1: right moment the camera panned and didn't get the face
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Speaker 1: joining me. In addition to special guest Sheriff Jeffrey Gailor,
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, investigative reporter of Fox forty five of Baltimore, Interesting,
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Speaker 1: former police officer MPI, author of Playbook to a Murder,
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Speaker 1: tell me all about everything you know about getting the
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Speaker 1: DNA and about this video that has emerged out of LA.
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, first, I can say when we were watching
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Speaker 4: the pressor in the newsroom. It was a WTS moment,
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Speaker 4: if you will. A guy from La or wherever he's from.
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Speaker 4: His DNA sign found at Rachel's crime scene. Total shock,
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Speaker 4: and of course our viewers want to know, well, why
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Speaker 4: do we not know this guy's name because we have
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Speaker 4: his DNA. But a lot of people don't understand. If
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Speaker 4: he's never been arrested before, you're not going to have
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Speaker 4: his name even though it's DNA. Maybe in Cotis he
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Speaker 4: may be walking out doing other crimes and no one
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Speaker 4: knows who he is.
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Speaker 1: Vincent, hold on, hold on, I got to follow up
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Speaker 1: on what you're saying. Don't lose your thought. Sheriff Gaylor,
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Speaker 1: please jump in whenever you have a thought with me.
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Speaker 1: Jessica Garth, chief of a special Victims Family Violence Unit,
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Speaker 1: Prince George County, veteran trial lawyer. Jessica, you hear people,
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Speaker 1: and I'm afraid that includes jurrrs. They'd say, well, you
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Speaker 1: got a fingerprint, can't you match it up. You can
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Speaker 1: get a perfectly beautiful, perfect pristine latent print, in other words,
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Speaker 1: the one found at the scene, the Layton print, But
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Speaker 1: unless you have something to compare it too, you can't
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Speaker 1: get a name. Here's a good example, like DNA and coburger.
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Speaker 1: There's three unknown male DNA profiles found in and around
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Speaker 1: the home where the four students were slain. But they've
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Speaker 1: tried and tried. You got to have something to match
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Speaker 1: it too in order to present that to a jury.
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Speaker 1: If the purp has never been arrested, it's not in
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Speaker 1: the system, has had to give a fingerprint for any reason,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing to compare it to. So, yes, we've got
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Speaker 1: this guy's DNA that we think murdered Rachel mourn, leaving
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Speaker 1: our five children without a mother. They've been split up
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Speaker 1: and gone to different homes, but we can't get the
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Speaker 1: guy explained.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly right. So you know, we kind of
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Speaker 7: refer to it as the CSI effect when we're trying
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Speaker 7: cases that jurors expect that we're going to have, you know,
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Speaker 7: all kinds of DNA evidence, fingerprint evidence, and that there
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Speaker 7: will be an immediate match. It's going to pop up
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Speaker 7: on the screen and it's going to tell us, you know,
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Speaker 7: who committed the crime. But you're exactly right, you know,
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Speaker 7: you have to have a suspect to compare it to.
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Speaker 7: So what our DNA analysts do is they develop what's
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Speaker 7: called a profile. And I'll leave it to the doctors
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Speaker 7: to explain that a little bit more. But they we
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Speaker 7: take that profile and we compare it to the known
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Speaker 7: profile of a suspect, and when those two profiles match,
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Speaker 7: you know, our experts give us a statistic of a
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Speaker 7: degree of certainty that it is the same person who
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Speaker 7: left this DNA. Lawyers, it's hard job to explain to
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Speaker 7: the jury that, you know, the statistic means that this
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Speaker 7: is the person who left the DNA on the scene.
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Speaker 7: But if you don't have that person to compare it to,
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Speaker 7: then you just you know, your investigators are just trying
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Speaker 7: to track down who they can draw that profile from.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace back to you, Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 1: forty five, Baltimore, Go ahead, Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I mean a lot of viewers are trying to track
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Speaker 4: down why do we not know this guy's name. I mean,
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Speaker 4: I've seen the comments all over Facebook or social media.
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Speaker 4: And again, if he hasn't been arrested, It's like I
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Speaker 4: told my newsroom, if he hasn't been arrested, this guy
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Speaker 4: is free to walk around until he does something even
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Speaker 4: more drastic, more horristic. And he's actually caught. But to
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Speaker 4: go back to something else, we only have a side
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Speaker 4: profile in the back of his head. I tell you
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Speaker 4: for a fact that my mother, even at fifty years old,
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Speaker 4: could spot my head from a crowd. So someone knows
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Speaker 4: who this guy is just by that big picture of
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Speaker 4: him walking out of this house in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 3: And Nancy Sheriff, I agree with Vincitt one hundred percent.
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Speaker 3: That's what I said. And I think it's going to be,
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Speaker 3: you know, opportunities like this to reach a large audience,
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Speaker 3: to have people go to our social media page and
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Speaker 3: look at this. I said in a few hours after
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Speaker 3: we didn't have somebody in custody very quick, that this
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Speaker 3: is going to be solved through science and technology. And
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Speaker 3: the science part has narrowed us down to this individual.
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Speaker 3: And I wish the technology had given us a better picture.
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Speaker 3: We're still out there scouring and hopefully we can come
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Speaker 3: up with one, but this is what we have for now.
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Speaker 3: But I agree with Vincent one hundred percent. Somebody knows.
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Speaker 3: Somebody looks at that picture and they know exactly who
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Speaker 3: this person is.
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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, you know doctor Benthony Marshall. Of course I
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Speaker 1: agree with Sheriff Gailler. That pretty much goes you know,
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Speaker 1: and we know I'm going to agree with him. Visit hell,
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Speaker 1: I agree with you partially. Yes, your mother may be
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Speaker 1: able to pick your head out of a crowd. I
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Speaker 1: could pick out my children, I could pick out my husband.
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Speaker 1: But what mom is going to turn in their child?
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Speaker 1: And what mom who is gonna id some guy's head? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, let me throw this to a shrink,
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Speaker 1: all right. Doctor Bethanie Marshall is joining us so I
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany bottom line, if you can identify somebody's head,
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Speaker 1: you're not turning them in. You know why, because you're
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Speaker 1: close to them. It's got to be a mother or
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Speaker 1: a sister. Not gonna turn them in unless they've got
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Speaker 1: some very unless they're like a conehead. That was a
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Speaker 1: very odd shaped head that co workers can identify.
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Speaker 8: It's so true, Nan, you know this family. Well, first
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Speaker 8: of all, this perp probably went straight to mommy's house
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Speaker 8: after the commission of the crime, because that's what they
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Speaker 8: always do.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about that because this is the typically, Yes,
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Speaker 1: they go run to mommy's. Isn't that true? Sheriff Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Gayelor when a guy bs bond forfeits are does show
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Speaker 1: up to court, I always say, go to mommy's house
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Speaker 1: and look under the bed and look in her closet.
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Speaker 1: She took him in, that's where he is. They always
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Speaker 1: go to the auntie, the grandma, the mommy. That's typically true.
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Speaker 3: No, I would just agree with you, you know, be
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Speaker 3: it a mom or be a family. You know, people
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Speaker 3: when they're they're in trouble, Yeah, that's that's where they
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Speaker 3: turn to and that's who they trust will hide. But
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Speaker 3: this person, this person should not be hidden. This person
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Speaker 3: is a threat to every single person on the planet
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Speaker 3: until we figure out where they are. I'll say on
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Speaker 3: the planet, because wherever he is, whether he's still here
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Speaker 3: in our community or he's moved to you know, next
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Speaker 3: surrounding statu he's came back to LA, he poses a
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Speaker 3: threat anybody that would commit these kind of crimes in
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Speaker 3: both the LA and our homicide here. He poses a
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Speaker 3: threat to anyone who's around, family member or not. And
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Speaker 3: he needs taken off the street.
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Speaker 1: You know what, You left out a big swath of
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Speaker 1: area between LA and bel Air, Maryland, not bel Air, California,
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Speaker 1: all in between. How the hey does he get That's
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Speaker 1: what we counted up, Jackie. What was it? Twenty six
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Speaker 1: one hundred miles twenty six sixty nine miles from Maryland
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Speaker 1: to LA How the hey did he get that far?
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Speaker 1: And I'm looking at his picture, Guys, I assume everybody
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Speaker 1: has looked at the stills or the video. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: about what we see in this picture. Number one, do
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Speaker 1: you see the hairstyle? I guarantee you he's either got
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Speaker 1: still that hairstyle or something similar where part of his
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Speaker 1: head is shaved from like the neck up and then
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Speaker 1: he's got like a fake mullet going down the back.
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Speaker 1: There's going to be some type of a unique hairstyle,
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Speaker 1: mark my words. Okay, he looks to me between I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna go with nineteen twenty nine. Do you agree with
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Speaker 1: that or disagree? Hereff Gaylor.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we put it at twenty to thirty, so right
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Speaker 3: in that same ballpark. But you're the haircuts very distinctive.
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Speaker 3: It's been it's been the number one source of the
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Speaker 3: tips that we've received. And I would ask you know,
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Speaker 3: anybody hearing this and if they have a tip. You
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Speaker 3: said the numbers earlier, but we have a special email
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Speaker 3: box RM Tips Rachel Morin Tips RM tips at Harpershriff
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Speaker 3: dot org. Did let us know, But that hairstyle is
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Speaker 3: certainly distinct. And I think if you look at his walk,
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Speaker 3: you know how he carries himself. You know, he's a
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Speaker 3: muscular young man and five nine hundred and sixty pounds. Again,
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Speaker 3: somebody has seen him, somebody has maybe been at the
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Speaker 3: gym with him or or working a job with him.
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Speaker 3: Somebody knows who he is on that picture, and.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, not only that, but he's a menacing figure. And
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Speaker 8: even though the family may circle the wagons, just like
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Speaker 8: remember Brian Landry's family, they knew possibly that he had
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Speaker 8: murdered Gabby Patito, But did they turn him in? Did
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Speaker 8: they assist Gaby Potito's family? No, they circled the right
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Speaker 8: wagons and they protected their own son. But with this
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Speaker 8: purp because he's menacing, because he's a creeper, I'm sure
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Speaker 8: that there's women he stated, people he went to high
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Speaker 8: school with, people he works with. Who knows that there's
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Speaker 8: something off or wrong about these guys? Right, even like
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Speaker 8: with Brian Coberger, All these people are coming forward now
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Speaker 8: saying that he was dominating other women, that he was
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Speaker 8: a scary figure, that he was a bully. So there
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Speaker 8: are plenty of people. I don't think we have to
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Speaker 8: rely on the family to come forward because there are
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Speaker 8: people in his circle who knows something's wrong with him.
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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, I want to find out Vincent Heel. Can
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Speaker 1: you tell me what is he accused of doing in
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Speaker 1: LA specifically?
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy and I may I get to share to
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Speaker 4: correct me on this, but I believe there was some
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Speaker 4: type of home invasion and assault of a young female
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Speaker 4: in side that home in Los Angeles back in March
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Speaker 4: this year. But I refer to the shriff on that.
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Speaker 4: But I believe that's the information we received from the
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Speaker 4: Los Angeles Police Department.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the video. He's opening up
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Speaker 1: the door of the home of the victim. I think
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Speaker 1: that he raped. He's leaving. He doesn't even have his
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Speaker 1: shirt on. Man, could you at least get dressed before
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Speaker 1: you leave. It's in a residential neighborhood, it's in the evening,
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Speaker 1: don't know what time. It's a female victim. The mo
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Speaker 1: is different because here he's gone into the home and
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Speaker 1: he has I believe raped a female victim. We're hearing assault,
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Speaker 1: but we know that there's DNA and that makes me
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Speaker 1: think that it's sperm. So was it a rape? Sheriff killer?
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna because you know, there's still part of
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Speaker 3: the active investigation other than what we've released with your
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Speaker 3: spot on a home invasion with an assault we're not covering. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 3: I'm not at liberty to go into any other details,
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Speaker 3: but it certainly you know his actions there are similar
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Speaker 3: to some of the mo that we have here. I'll
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Speaker 3: just leave it.
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Speaker 1: At that exactly, okay, And I of course do not
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Speaker 1: want to in any way and pay the investigation or
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Speaker 1: harm the integrity of the investigation. So when you finally,
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Speaker 1: god willing, get to trial, you can be accused spouting
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Speaker 1: out information that's privy to the case.
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Speaker 3: We want to give our investigators every opportunity to, you know,
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Speaker 3: to keep it to what it needs to be kept
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Speaker 3: out of the public for right now, but while we
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Speaker 3: still share what we can to help us bring this
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Speaker 3: person in the custody. And again you touched on the
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Speaker 3: thing about traveling. We don't know whether he lives there
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Speaker 3: and was visiting out here or whether he visits you know,
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Speaker 3: was visiting out there when he committed this crime, that
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Speaker 3: crime in March and lives out here, or any combination thereof.
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Speaker 3: He could live in Ohio and just have visited both
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Speaker 3: places to commit these acts. So until we know who
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Speaker 3: he is, we don't know what part of the country
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Speaker 3: he is hanging his hat.
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Speaker 1: No, Sheriff, I don't think he visited one of the
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Speaker 1: two places just to commit the act. I think he's
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Speaker 1: a predator. He happened to be in LA for whatever reason.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he went there just to assault. I'll
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Speaker 1: say assault because we don't know if it was a
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Speaker 1: rape or asadomy. We don't know if it was touched
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Speaker 1: DNA somewhere in the home. But we know there was
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Speaker 1: a home invasion and there was an assault on a
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Speaker 1: female victim in LA, and that there's DNA. We know
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Speaker 1: that in Bela or Maryland, it's a completely different scenario,
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Speaker 1: different modus opread my method of operation. He's out on
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Speaker 1: a hiking trail. He sees a lone female and I'm
19:45
Speaker 1: assuming the female in LA was alone, don't know her age,
19:51
Speaker 1: but he sees a female alone and he pounces and
19:54
Speaker 1: he I believe raped Rachel Morin and murdered her. I
19:59
Speaker 1: know you are not going to tell me whether she
20:01
Speaker 1: was raped or not, but we're getting DNA from somewhere.
20:05
Speaker 1: Plus we know that she was naked and lying on
20:08
Speaker 1: her back, or so we've been told. So straight to
20:11
Speaker 1: doctor Monte Miller, Director Forensic DNA Experts, LLC, specialists in
20:16
Speaker 1: sex assaults and murder. Now this is where he gets
20:19
Speaker 1: a lot of his training, former forensic scientists for the
20:22
Speaker 1: Texas Department of Public Safety Crime Lab. Can I tell
20:26
Speaker 1: you how many thousands of DNA comparisons you do if
20:30
Speaker 1: you're at the crime lab. You can find them at
20:32
Speaker 1: FORENSICDNA Experts dot com. Doctor Monty Miller, thank you for
20:36
Speaker 1: being with us. You're hearing the facts as I am.
20:39
Speaker 1: Tell me what you think happened in LA and what
20:42
Speaker 1: you think happened in Maryland.
20:44
Speaker 5: Well, I think that First of all, I'd like to
20:46
Speaker 5: commend the police departments, both of them, for doing the
20:48
Speaker 5: DNA and getting it out quickly.
20:50
Speaker 1: Amen, brother, you're so right about that. Go ahead.
20:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have so many cases that sit there for
20:56
Speaker 5: a while and they're not able to identify the person
20:58
Speaker 5: quickly when the second crime happens, because the first lab
21:01
Speaker 5: hasn't finished. So yeah, I mean the crime labs did
21:04
Speaker 5: a good job.
21:05
Speaker 1: You just gave me a horrible feeling. You remember Eliza Fletcher,
21:07
Speaker 1: the Memphis mom that was out jogging four am. I
21:11
Speaker 1: think she had two children at home doing it all,
21:14
Speaker 1: and this PERV grabs her, I believe rapes her, murders her,
21:20
Speaker 1: and he had actually committed another rate. But the DNA
21:23
Speaker 1: could have been sitting on a shelf for like a year,
21:26
Speaker 1: and if he had been apprehended in that rate, Eliza
21:29
Speaker 1: Fletcher would be alive today.
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Speaker 5: Well yeah, and that's exactly what they did great in
21:33
Speaker 5: this case. You know, they did the DNA and so
21:35
Speaker 5: somebody didn't go at least unnoticed for a second crime
21:41
Speaker 5: across the country. So, but he has left his DNA
21:44
Speaker 5: so that you know, there's a good indication that there
21:47
Speaker 5: was some DNA that they knew came from him inside
21:50
Speaker 5: that house, and that you know oftentimes comes from a
21:53
Speaker 5: sexual assault because you know, they have DNA that from
21:56
Speaker 5: sperm and they that way they know that it's the
21:59
Speaker 5: perpetrator and somebody else who visited that house. So whatever
22:05
Speaker 5: it is, they're confident that they got his DNA from
22:08
Speaker 5: that house. It doesn't look like he's leaving in a hurry,
22:12
Speaker 5: or that he's bloody, or that he's injured, so it
22:15
Speaker 5: could have been touched DNA. But you know, there's a
22:17
Speaker 5: good chance that was a sexual assault. And the same
22:21
Speaker 5: thing with you know, the murder victim, Rachel Marin. You know,
22:25
Speaker 5: they might have gotten DNA off of the rock that
22:28
Speaker 5: was found that he used to hit her, but that
22:32
Speaker 5: might have bled and other things on it. So a
22:34
Speaker 5: sexual assault is oftentimes the best case to get a
22:39
Speaker 5: really good DNA profile because you know it came from
22:41
Speaker 5: the person who had sexual intercourse with the other person.
22:44
Speaker 5: So you know, I think there's a good chance they're
22:47
Speaker 5: both sexual assaults if one.
22:48
Speaker 8: Of them is.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing the voice of dutch A Monte Miller, director
22:52
Speaker 1: at Forensic DNA Experts dot com. Who is that jumping in.
22:57
Speaker 3: Me, Sheriff. I was just going to say, you know,
22:58
Speaker 3: I hear you know a lot of speculation. Again, I
23:03
Speaker 3: just wish I was in more of a position to
23:04
Speaker 3: be able to speak freely, but I just you know,
23:07
Speaker 3: I've heard how the scene looks and this and that.
23:09
Speaker 3: I just want to be clear that we haven't released
23:11
Speaker 3: any of those investigative details. And we know we know
23:15
Speaker 3: some of the information out there as accurate. We know
23:17
Speaker 3: some of it is not accurate, and I wish I
23:19
Speaker 3: could clarify which is which, But you're one hundred percent right,
23:23
Speaker 3: I mean, but DNA can be left in many different ways,
23:28
Speaker 3: and I am thankful that it was, you know, and
23:32
Speaker 3: right again, I'd rather have this guy's name and face
23:34
Speaker 3: straight on. But I'm thankful that LA detectives out there
23:38
Speaker 3: took that case seriously. They did a good investigation, which
23:41
Speaker 3: you know, included the collection of DNA at the scene
23:45
Speaker 3: and has put bring back a tie. You know, so
23:48
Speaker 3: much of policing used to be cops, just cops and robbers.
23:52
Speaker 3: But now without our civilian forensic experts and the people
23:55
Speaker 3: the science part of this thing, we'd be nowhere in
23:58
Speaker 3: this investigation. And that is it's important to note. But again,
24:03
Speaker 3: I hate to be the guest who kind of has
24:05
Speaker 3: the fashion in his head, but it's not free to
24:06
Speaker 3: share him. But that's unfortunately where I find myself. As
24:10
Speaker 3: I listened to the other callers, you know.
24:12
Speaker 1: What's interesting, I'm taking from what you said, I'm interpreting
24:15
Speaker 1: that we got one of those facts wrong. Maybe it's
24:18
Speaker 1: the rock. Maybe she wasn't naked, maybe she wasn't on
24:21
Speaker 1: her back, maybe there wasn't a rape. We got something wrong,
24:24
Speaker 1: but we've got something right. But it's the share of
24:27
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Gailler refuses to play twenty one questions with me.
24:31
Speaker 1: I'm going to go forward with what I do know,
24:33
Speaker 1: and you know what this is reminding me of Jackie.
24:35
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to our cut seventy seven.
24:38
Speaker 2: I think now it kind of leads us down the
24:40
Speaker 2: path that we believe this was a person that Racil
24:44
Speaker 2: probably didn't know, maybe you could say, potentially a random
24:47
Speaker 2: act of violence. And we're hoping that the community now
24:50
Speaker 2: can watch that video. And we also got steel pictures
24:53
Speaker 2: that we're going to be putting out and that somebody
24:55
Speaker 2: can identify you. We don't have any clue where he
24:57
Speaker 2: could be. We don't even know if he's still in
24:59
Speaker 2: harp account. They were in the state of Maryland because
25:01
Speaker 2: obviously in March he was in California, and then here
25:05
Speaker 2: in August he was here in Maryland, So we don't
25:06
Speaker 2: know if he's still here or not.
25:08
Speaker 1: This is eerily reminiscent for various reasons of the Delphi
25:13
Speaker 1: murders Little Libby and Abby, and I'll tell you why.
25:19
Speaker 1: I take a listen our cut nine aar friends at
25:21
Speaker 1: People magazine.
25:22
Speaker 9: Police have announced that a widely circulated photo of the
25:24
Speaker 9: main suspect and a double homicide of two Indiana teenagers
25:28
Speaker 9: was taken by one of the victims before she was killed.
25:32
Speaker 1: On February fourteenth.
25:33
Speaker 9: The bodies of Liberty German and Abigail Williams were found
25:36
Speaker 9: one day after they.
25:37
Speaker 1: Were reported missing.
25:38
Speaker 9: At a press conference on Wednesday, police announced that Liberty
25:41
Speaker 9: not only took the photo of the male suspect, but
25:43
Speaker 9: she also recorded a video moments before her death that
25:46
Speaker 9: includes audio of a man talking, although officials are unsure
25:50
Speaker 9: whether the voice belongs to the suspect.
25:52
Speaker 1: You will recall with Abby and Limbby, the two little
25:55
Speaker 1: girls murdered off the trestle bridge in Delphi, that the
26:00
Speaker 1: wild speculation that there was a transient, someone that had
26:04
Speaker 1: come from out of town. We argued against that at
26:08
Speaker 1: the get go, because highly unlikely a transient would have
26:13
Speaker 1: known about that trustle bridge kind of tucked away out
26:16
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. It didn't make sense. Now
26:21
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out does this guy caught on
26:25
Speaker 1: Servilli's video on a ring camera, a doorbell cam in
26:30
Speaker 1: La does he live in bel Air, Maryland? Now? Is
26:35
Speaker 1: he a transient? If he is a transient, how did
26:38
Speaker 1: he know about this hiking trail? Now? Isn't it true,
26:43
Speaker 1: Sheriff Giller that the hiking trail butts up against apartments?
26:48
Speaker 3: Yes, the Monpi Hiking Trail actually working on a new
26:52
Speaker 3: section of it that's going to connect it and make
26:54
Speaker 3: it around eight I think it's about eight miles long
26:56
Speaker 3: total when it's finished. So there's a north section in
26:58
Speaker 3: the south section. This happened in the south section, which
27:02
Speaker 3: is closer to the town of bel Air, the county seat.
27:05
Speaker 3: Very very very safe. In fact, I can't even remember
27:08
Speaker 3: when the last homicide in the town of bel Air was.
27:12
Speaker 3: The h but it runs right behind the mall area,
27:16
Speaker 3: the big shopping area for the town. It runs from
27:20
Speaker 3: where she had parked her car. Where Rachel had parked
27:22
Speaker 3: her car is right behind one of the local breweries.
27:26
Speaker 3: Always a lot of people there, a bunch of condos,
27:29
Speaker 3: and it goes down behind the mall and stuff and
27:31
Speaker 3: then finishes that the big fields where we actually have
27:35
Speaker 3: our County Fair every year. It's a very very popular,
27:38
Speaker 3: well used, improved trail from a old railroad system, the
27:43
Speaker 3: mom Pow railroad that just gets gets a lot of
27:47
Speaker 3: a lot of activity. And to have something out there
27:49
Speaker 3: happen is just, you know, to have any crime out
27:52
Speaker 3: there happen, it's just so far outside the norm, much
27:55
Speaker 3: less something so horrific as Rachel's homicide.
27:59
Speaker 1: Sure you gather ring video surveillance from the brewery and
28:03
Speaker 1: anyone else in those apartments and homes that look onto
28:06
Speaker 1: the trail or onto the trail head.
28:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have collected. Investigators have collected all the video. Unfortunately,
28:12
Speaker 3: there's not video on the trail. It's actually the part
28:15
Speaker 3: of the trailer. The trail is part of the Harper
28:17
Speaker 3: County Parks and WRECTS system. They have announced the Parks
28:21
Speaker 3: and Wrecks have announced that they're going to put cameras
28:23
Speaker 3: along the trail now, which would be great, but unfortunately
28:26
Speaker 3: we didn't have them before. But we've also done solicitations
28:31
Speaker 3: out in the public, social media and through our robocall
28:33
Speaker 3: system asking people you know, for video footage around the
28:38
Speaker 3: time that Rachel went missing, and to where she was discovered.
28:42
Speaker 3: Because yeah, we're hopeful as we pour through all this
28:45
Speaker 3: investigators pour through all this video footage and stuff that
28:48
Speaker 3: we have been able to gather, that we'll get a
28:50
Speaker 3: better picture of this individual, of the suspect, and perhaps
28:55
Speaker 3: a vehicle or something like that. But you know, we
28:58
Speaker 3: do not have that at this moment.
29:00
Speaker 1: Of another case. So that I worked with the victims' families,
29:04
Speaker 1: the family of Jennifer, you and beautiful mom, who would
29:09
Speaker 1: ride about a fifty mile bike trail multiple times a week.
29:13
Speaker 1: She was about thirty is miles in on the Silver
29:16
Speaker 1: Comet Trail when she was attacked and murdered by Michael Ludford.
29:21
Speaker 1: Michael Ludford. Surrounding the trail, there were a number of
29:28
Speaker 1: vantage points where you could see onto the trail, including apartments,
29:34
Speaker 1: and this guy Lesford had been scaring women and exposing
29:38
Speaker 1: himself and staring at them, survealing them many times before
29:43
Speaker 1: Jennifer was murdered. So let me go to you, doctor
29:48
Speaker 1: Bethy Marshall. I'm going to talk about why this trail.
29:52
Speaker 1: Was he living in those apartments? Was he living on
29:56
Speaker 1: the trail as a transient in the woods, Because I
29:59
Speaker 1: know for a fact that a group of law enforcement
30:04
Speaker 1: LA were out in the woods, you know, many feet
30:08
Speaker 1: off the trail, huddled together looking at something. Did they
30:12
Speaker 1: find evidence someone had been living out there tinting? You
30:16
Speaker 1: know Eric Rudolph who was the Olympic bomber in Atlanta.
30:20
Speaker 1: Then he bombed to abortion clinics and by the way
30:23
Speaker 1: the shrapnel hit my investigator, it was time. So one
30:27
Speaker 1: would go off and then the next one would go
30:28
Speaker 1: off as soon as people came to investigate the first one.
30:32
Speaker 1: I don't know who this guy is. I don't know
30:35
Speaker 1: why he's in bel Air, Maryland. Does he live there,
30:39
Speaker 1: is he visiting? It's hard to believe he's he a
30:42
Speaker 1: transient all the way from LA. But let's think about
30:46
Speaker 1: them and another thing. Dr Bethany Marshall. I had a
30:48
Speaker 1: gut feeling at the get go. I didn't go after
30:51
Speaker 1: the boyfriend. There was just something about the fact that
30:54
Speaker 1: he had her children. They were out looking for her,
30:58
Speaker 1: he called nine one one. It just didn't feel right,
31:03
Speaker 1: even though statistically it's the love object, but not in
31:06
Speaker 1: this case. So I'm glad we didn't put the nail
31:09
Speaker 1: in his coffin, right.
31:11
Speaker 8: That's right, Nancy, there's something about the brutality of the
31:15
Speaker 8: crime that tells me that sexual excitement and inflicting harm
31:21
Speaker 8: were a part of them. And in terms of why
31:24
Speaker 8: this trail whin you're an apartment building, why you're a
31:26
Speaker 8: brewery and everything you're describing. I have a theory that
31:30
Speaker 8: he is a serial killer in the making, or maybe
31:34
Speaker 8: he's already a serial killer, and there are multiple victims,
31:36
Speaker 8: you know, in the pathway between the two crimes. But
31:39
Speaker 8: if he's a serial killer in the making, his choice
31:43
Speaker 8: of the mom pad trail is going to be influenced
31:48
Speaker 8: by the victim profile, like who he's fishing for, who
31:52
Speaker 8: is he on the hunt for? He's on the hunt
31:55
Speaker 8: for young women. If the first victim was a very
31:58
Speaker 8: young girl, you know, he could be a pedophile, that
32:02
Speaker 8: that would be a part of his multiple perversions. And
32:06
Speaker 8: also that the women who are vulnerable, women who are
32:10
Speaker 8: on there are separated from family members or loved ones.
32:15
Speaker 1: I think you said on their phone, did you say
32:18
Speaker 1: on their phone.
32:19
Speaker 8: On their own on their own own?
32:21
Speaker 1: And I'm saying that Rachel may have had earbudds in
32:24
Speaker 1: I don't know that yet, but we believe that may
32:28
Speaker 1: have happened.
32:28
Speaker 8: Go ahead, well, I'm suspecting victims, right, And also this
32:32
Speaker 8: guy is pretty brave. I mean, the fact that he
32:34
Speaker 8: accosted a girl as a part of a home invasion
32:38
Speaker 8: tells me that he's desperate. He's desperate to kill. He's
32:42
Speaker 8: desperate to inflict cruelty while sexually accosting a victim. And
32:48
Speaker 8: this desperation may have driven him to the mon Pod
32:53
Speaker 8: trail where it's very secluded. There are places where he
32:56
Speaker 8: could hide, and there are easy weapons. You know, he
33:00
Speaker 8: bashed her face in with a rock, so he didn't
33:03
Speaker 8: have to go and buy and done. He didn't have
33:06
Speaker 8: to go get a knife, he didn't have to do
33:07
Speaker 8: anything like that. He didn't have to put a big
33:09
Speaker 8: effort into it. All he had to do was hide
33:12
Speaker 8: along the trail and wait, wait for Rachel Moore and
33:14
Speaker 8: to come by. So so that to me speaks of
33:17
Speaker 8: a certain type of desperation.
33:20
Speaker 3: Nancy, if I can, I did. I did want to
33:24
Speaker 3: say that. You know, we again, we haven't released anything
33:26
Speaker 3: other than saying it was a violent attack as far
33:29
Speaker 3: as the specifics of how Rachel's life was taken, but
33:34
Speaker 3: you talked to the trail is very popular goes by
33:36
Speaker 3: a lot of different condos, buildings, a couple of houses,
33:40
Speaker 3: housing areas. I don't know. I've said on some of
33:42
Speaker 3: the interviews I've done my backyard actually hits a portion
33:45
Speaker 3: of the mom Pot Trail, so we've always considered a
33:47
Speaker 3: very safe place. But again it has very secluded areas
33:53
Speaker 3: along it, so you know it's a place that they
33:56
Speaker 3: could hide. But this this individual, I can tell you,
33:59
Speaker 3: although I woncome into the specifics about how her life
34:02
Speaker 3: was taken other than the general saying it was very violent,
34:05
Speaker 3: this guy has an absolute disregard for human life and
34:08
Speaker 3: I think he demonstrated that in what I know of
34:12
Speaker 3: LA and obviously in the homicide here. So yeah, talk
34:16
Speaker 3: about is he a serial killer or is he becoming one?
34:21
Speaker 3: He certainly has no care in the world for the
34:24
Speaker 3: value of a human life.
34:37
Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace Guys. Joining me right now
34:43
Speaker 1: is a very well known medical examiner joining us out
34:47
Speaker 1: of the state of Florida, doctor Tim Gallagher. I wanted
34:50
Speaker 1: him to hear the analysis before he weighs in. Lecturer
34:54
Speaker 1: University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine and the founder
35:00
Speaker 1: the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. He founded that
35:08
Speaker 1: a true expert in his field, Doctor Gallagher, thank you
35:11
Speaker 1: for being with us, Doctor Gallagher. The sheriff is neither
35:14
Speaker 1: confirming nor denying that Rachel Morin was bludgeoned. We have
35:20
Speaker 1: also heard reports, not from him, that she was naked.
35:26
Speaker 1: A naked lady lying out on a trail tells me
35:31
Speaker 1: she was sex assaulted. I'm curious how often you see
35:36
Speaker 1: bludgeoning cases. Now, I'm not saying that's her cod cause
35:41
Speaker 1: of death, which I want to also ask you, even
35:44
Speaker 1: if she was bludgeoned, would you still be able to
35:47
Speaker 1: determine if she was, for instance, asphyxiated, just because she's
35:52
Speaker 1: been hit in the head with the rock. If she was,
35:55
Speaker 1: and that's based on alleged eyewitness accounts, but the bludgeoning,
36:01
Speaker 1: the bludgeoning, I find that peculiar. And I wonder if
36:06
Speaker 1: the female victim in La was beaten about the face.
36:11
Speaker 1: We don't know that. They seem very much opportunistic. But
36:15
Speaker 1: what do you make of the bludgeoning and can you
36:18
Speaker 1: get a different cause of death, Doctor Gallagher.
36:21
Speaker 10: Good points Nancy, Typically the bludgeoning would be if the
36:26
Speaker 10: offender needs the victim to become unresponsible very quickly. You know,
36:33
Speaker 10: if a strangulation can take about three or four minutes
36:38
Speaker 10: to complete, and to be on this popular trail for
36:41
Speaker 10: three or four minutes strangling somebody, you know, you would
36:45
Speaker 10: definitely get a lot of attention. But the bludgeoning, and
36:49
Speaker 10: I'm going to assume here possible skull fractures or an
36:55
Speaker 10: injury that would incapacitate the person instantaneously would be more
36:59
Speaker 10: ad and tageous, you know, to his mo to sexually
37:03
Speaker 10: offending on the victim, you know, and then leaving very
37:06
Speaker 10: quickly before other people can come by and identify the scene.
37:10
Speaker 10: So when we do the autopsy, these are things that
37:13
Speaker 10: we look for. We look for the skull fractures, the
37:17
Speaker 10: brain injuries, the internal bleeding that is representative of the
37:22
Speaker 10: blunt force trauma. We also have to look at the
37:26
Speaker 10: neck area, which is the most common area for strangulation,
37:29
Speaker 10: and look at the muscles, look at the windpipe, look
37:32
Speaker 10: at the blood vessels that are in there and see
37:34
Speaker 10: if they have linear patterns of hemorrhage or linear patterns
37:40
Speaker 10: of damage on them, which would be representative of a strangulation.
37:44
Speaker 10: But we need to keep in mind that strangulation does
37:47
Speaker 10: take three possibly four minutes, to complete, and it certainly
37:50
Speaker 10: would expose him for a long time on the trail.
37:53
Speaker 10: So bludgeoning would render the person unconscious instantaneously and then
38:01
Speaker 10: the offender would be able to enact his mo.
38:04
Speaker 1: Wow, well, Nancy, that was a lot of information. Is
38:08
Speaker 1: this Sheriff Gaylor?
38:09
Speaker 4: Now this is Vince, So go ahead Saturday. I had
38:12
Speaker 4: the opportunity to walk that trail. They had a five
38:14
Speaker 4: k in honor of Rachel. I actually walked with her sister, Rebecca.
38:19
Speaker 4: It was part of my story for today. But as
38:21
Speaker 4: the ex cop and private investigator, there were parts of
38:24
Speaker 4: the trail well where I was literally thinking while he
38:28
Speaker 4: could have lied and wait right here, it's very secluded,
38:31
Speaker 4: could have done what he had to do. He actually
38:33
Speaker 4: could have taken three or four minutes to do whatever
38:35
Speaker 4: he had to do with Rachel, because there were parts
38:38
Speaker 4: of that trail, Nancy, during that five k where I
38:41
Speaker 4: was just thinking, man, he could have come from here.
38:44
Speaker 4: It backs up to a road. At certain parts, he
38:46
Speaker 4: could have parked the car. It goes by a farmer's market,
38:49
Speaker 4: he could have parked across the street. I mean, it's
38:51
Speaker 4: very secluded over in that area. So there are plenty
38:54
Speaker 4: of opportunities for him to have done something there. But
38:58
Speaker 4: I want to go back to something you said earlier,
39:00
Speaker 4: Nancy about Delphi and the guy likely not knowing the trail.
39:04
Speaker 4: I'll be honest. I've been living in the Baltimore area
39:07
Speaker 4: for almost a year. I had never heard of the
39:09
Speaker 4: MA and Pa trail until two weeks ago when Rachel
39:13
Speaker 4: went missing and her body was found. So the investigator
39:16
Speaker 4: in me tells me this guy knew about this trail.
39:19
Speaker 4: Because when I think of Los Angeles and don't get
39:23
Speaker 4: offended by this sheriff dealer. When I think of Los
39:26
Speaker 4: Angeles and I think of Maryland, I don't think Hartford County.
39:29
Speaker 4: Most people think Baltimore, Annapolis, Aberdeen. So that tells me
39:35
Speaker 4: this guy may have known the area and known where
39:38
Speaker 4: that trail was.
39:39
Speaker 3: I agree with one hundred percent of Vince. This is
39:40
Speaker 3: not you know, we're a quiet new community about thirty
39:46
Speaker 3: minutes north of Baltimore, and you know, not known for
39:51
Speaker 3: known for low crime and the safe community. So it's
39:55
Speaker 3: not generally where we have stuff like this. But not
39:57
Speaker 3: generally if you're going around the country, you kind of
39:59
Speaker 3: have have to explain where it is in relation to
40:02
Speaker 3: Baltimore because people just don't know where we're located.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, Sheriff and everybody jump in, Jessica Garth,
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Speaker 1: it's just right up your alley in the LA case
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Speaker 1: where we get we believe the killer's DNA. I'm looking
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Speaker 1: in the video over and over and over. Somebody follows
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Speaker 1: him to the door and they shut the door behind him.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure who that is, but it looks like
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Speaker 1: a female hand shutting the door behind him. That victim lived,
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Speaker 1: this victim did not. I'm curious about the differences in
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Speaker 1: the attacks, the method of operation, Sheriff gillor what do
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Speaker 1: you make of it?
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Speaker 3: Again, that's something that a lot of people have brought
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Speaker 3: to our attention that we know is there. We know
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Speaker 3: that there's an arm there, that somebody closes the door
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Speaker 3: behind the suspect leaving, and again, it's not what you
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Speaker 3: would expect, now, what a seasoned police officer would expect
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Speaker 3: someone leaving the scene of a crime, you know, the
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Speaker 3: home invasion and an assault to be casually walking out
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Speaker 3: with his clothes stucked under his arm, you know, and
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Speaker 3: the door being shut behind him. But you know, our
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Speaker 3: investigators continue to work the case hard to try to
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Speaker 3: make sense of what doesn't make sense by appearances, and hopefully,
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Speaker 3: you know, the investigation will explain all of those things
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Speaker 3: out in time. But the main thing that's needed at
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Speaker 3: this point is figuring out who this guy is.
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Speaker 1: Is that victim a minor? Was she a minor at
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Speaker 1: the time of the attack? Sheriff in La Yes, So
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Speaker 1: you know, think about that attacking a minor. I can
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Speaker 1: easily see a miner not really knowing what to do
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Speaker 1: after a rape or a sex assault or an ag
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Speaker 1: assault and walking it, walking to the door and shutting
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Speaker 1: it in complete astoun and can difusion? What about it,
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Speaker 1: Jessica Garth, There's a big difference and a grown lady
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Speaker 1: like Rachel Moron who's thirty seven, and a girl, a
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Speaker 1: minor girl that's attacked.
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Speaker 7: One hundred percent degree. I mean, when I saw that
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Speaker 7: video and I saw that he had been essentially walked
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Speaker 7: out of the house of a few things occurred to me.
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Speaker 7: And of course it's speculation, but number one, if this
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Speaker 7: is a minor victim, which I am assuming since her
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Speaker 7: name hasn't been released then and it was in her
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Speaker 7: own home, I mean, where's she going to run to?
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Speaker 1: For safety.
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Speaker 7: She's in the safest place that she knows, So I
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Speaker 7: think at some point it's just a matter of staying
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Speaker 7: alive in that situation. If this is a grown man
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Speaker 7: in her home, she's not going to fight back, she's
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Speaker 7: not going to create a fuss. She's going to get
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Speaker 7: out of the situation as safely as she can. So,
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Speaker 7: you know, if he is making moves to leave the home,
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Speaker 7: or if she said something like, oh, my parents are
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Speaker 7: going to come home, you have to get out of here,
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Speaker 7: and he's leaving, she's just going to let him leave,
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Speaker 7: and she's going to close that door, and I'm sure
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Speaker 7: a locket immediately behind him. And the second thing I
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Speaker 7: thought was that even if it were a grown woman,
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Speaker 7: you know, playing along or going along with somebody who's
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Speaker 7: assaulting you is one method to survive a violent attack
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Speaker 7: like this.
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Speaker 1: You're right, Rachel Moran may have fought back and this
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Speaker 1: young girl didn't or couldn't. Doctor Monte Miller joining us
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Speaker 1: for forensic DNA experts, what's your analysis of what we
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Speaker 1: know right now?
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Speaker 5: Well, I think that you know, we have the guys
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Speaker 5: DNA and so we're going to be able to identify
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Speaker 5: the guy at some point like, like you know, other
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Speaker 5: people have mentioned, he's probably going to turn out to
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Speaker 5: be a serial killer or something similar or certainly has
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Speaker 5: no problem killing people and raping people and having, you know,
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Speaker 5: any kind of issues. So the guy's going to continue
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Speaker 5: to do these things. We're going to continue to find
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Speaker 5: his DNA until we find out who he is, until
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Speaker 5: we identify him and put him in jail.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious to find out if his DNA pops up
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Speaker 1: anywhere else in the country or just along this stretch. Guys,
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Speaker 1: the tip line is toll free eight eight eight five
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Speaker 1: four zero eight four seven seven Repeat one eight eight
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Speaker 1: eight five four zero eight four seven seven. We want
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Speaker 1: justice not only for Mamma five Rachel Morin, but for
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Speaker 1: her children that have now been split up. Their family
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Speaker 1: has been broken apart forever. Goodbye friend,