Latest / 4DAFAM / Ep. 12 - The struggle for acceptance

Transcript

Ep. 12 - The struggle for acceptance · 4DAFAM

0:04
Let me in your ear. I got something you need to hear.
0:07
Turn the volume up so it's loud and clear. A podcast where we talk about politics
0:12
and culture unscripted. No limits.
0:14
Like a 504 soldier. We're not pretenders. Ain't no agendas. Our only plan is
0:18
to keep it 100 and do it for the fam. Yeah.
0:25
What up? What up? What up? What's going on? Same all same. Can't complain.
0:30
I'm Six Mill, keeping it true. It's your boy, KG.
0:33
Welcome to episode 12 of For The Fam Podcast. Dirty dozen.
0:40
What's up with you, bro? How you been? You all right? Good, man.
0:42
Can't complain. Had a, uh, woke up late. Had a lazy day.
0:46
Yeah, it was a beautiful day. Actually, the last couple of days have been beautiful here in Indiana.
0:52
It won't be tomorrow. No, it's Indiana. We knew the nice weather wouldn't last long, but... Sure.
0:59
By the time I leave here, the temperature will probably drop 25 degrees. Facts.
1:04
Facts. That's Indiana. You know, we get a little bit of everything,
1:08
bro. So anyway, what's on your mind, bro? What you want to talk about today?
1:12
So we're going to talk about a pretty broad topic, many different ways to go with it.
1:19
So sort of sort of like a pathway to whiteness, so to speak,
1:25
talking about how people of color, not necessarily immigrants,
1:31
but, you know, non-white people in America or people that come here assimilate
1:36
to white culture to better themselves
1:40
while in the process demeaning other people that look like them.
1:45
Like a fast track to being socially accepted. Exactly.
1:51
OK, I got you. Well, you want to you want to just jump right into it?
1:55
Yes, sir. All right. Let's get into it.
1:57
All right. So when we talk about a pathway to whiteness and some may or may
2:03
not be aware of this, but socially,
2:08
keep that in mind, socially, not pigmentation wise.
2:12
Italians were not considered white until like between the 1940s and the 1970s.
2:23
Irish were not considered white until the late 19th century or early 20th century.
2:34
Their path to whiteness, to keep using that term,
2:40
or the quickest path to whiteness was to exclude blacks from labor unions and
2:49
skilled positions or skilled trades.
2:53
So I guess what we're getting at is the way to be, and I'm not saying it's just
3:02
politically motivated, but that seems to be a large part of it.
3:06
But the way to ascend in America up the social ladder is to put down black people.
3:14
So I want to stick with Irish immigrants. So they were largely in the same communities
3:20
as black folks back in those days.
3:23
And what they started to do is they used their numbers to start to gain political
3:31
power in those communities.
3:33
And then next they started going, you know, firemen, police officers and started
3:39
distancing themselves from the black Americans that they once sat on the front stoop. Correct.
3:45
And shared the last, I don't know, the last can of beans or whatever with them.
3:49
But they started to pull away, started participating.
3:56
And anti-black nonsense, because that's all it was, was a bunch of nonsense.
4:01
They were considered non-white, but legally, Irish Americans were classified as white in the census.
4:08
Right. While being treated less than.
4:11
Right. Which is why I wanted to emphasize social. Yeah, absolutely.
4:16
But you are absolutely correct in that.
4:19
I'm trying not to repeat myself, but it's so funny because I think you and I
4:24
have had this conversation.
4:26
Because it's kind of clicking in my mind a while back about how the Irish-Americans
4:31
and the Italian-Americans basically turned their back on the black community to start to fit in.
4:39
And it's, I mean, they were criticized not only for being an inferior group
4:45
of people, they were criticized for being Catholic.
4:48
And it's interesting how it hasn't changed that much today.
4:55
Not so much between Italians and Irish, but now with your Middle Eastern people
5:03
who come over here and turn their backs on black people to assimilate, to fit in.
5:10
And we're thinking about the Vivek Ramaswamis.
5:14
We're thinking about the Kash Patels, even though he loves the black culture,
5:19
think he's a rapper, spells his name with a dollar sign.
5:23
But yet, everything you do is against black people. You know what his first name is, right?
5:30
It's Kashmir, ain't it? It's Kashmir.
5:33
I knew that. You're right. I knew that. I mean, technically it's pronounced,
5:38
I think, like Cash App or something. I don't want to butcher the man's name,
5:43
but I mean, look at the merchandise he sells. Right.
5:46
If that don't tell me that you love to immerse yourself in one culture and then
5:54
demonize that same culture.
5:56
Hey, man, when I first saw some of the old videos of him like doing interviews
6:00
and podcast stuff with the beanie and the hoodie and I'm like,
6:04
mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
6:08
But you want to parade Chauncey Billups around.
6:11
I still have not seen any one of these mafiosos picture,
6:18
but y'all got Chauncey all over the news, parading him around to demonize the
6:24
black man and the black community.
6:27
Meanwhile, the credibility of the NBA continues to fall when Chauncey Billups
6:33
did nothing. Whatever he did.
6:35
Had nothing to do with the league. Nothing.
6:39
And even Terry Rozier. Terry Rozier wasn't fixing games.
6:43
Terry Rozier checked out with 11 points, with nine points instead of 11.
6:48
The game wasn't fixed. He just wasn't in the game anymore. That's right.
6:52
Hey, bet that I'm going to score under 11. I'm going to check myself out at nine points. Right.
6:56
That's not fixing the game, but yet they're allowing this narrative to be pushed
7:04
that the NBA is somehow rigged and these players, just like they did.
7:08
The black players in the 70s sure in the 80s when they accused all of them of being on cocaine right.
7:14
Some of that's probably true. But the fact that that's what they did to demonize the league. Sure, sure.
7:24
Players back in the 70s. Sure, 100, 100, 100, 100.
7:28
You know, we think back a few years, right, to the whole Ivy League admission
7:36
scandal and how the Asians came out so hard against the black students.
7:42
And it's just like, why does everyone need to tread on us to move up or to be accepted?
7:51
And then the same thing happened to them.
7:55
Soon as y'all did the dirty work. Now look where y'all at.
7:59
Now y'all want to come back to the black people, like help us out. We in trouble.
8:04
Knock it off, y'all. It's so funny to me that when people think of civil rights,
8:08
they think, oh, that's just for black people. Right. What?
8:13
This benefits everyone everyone all
8:18
of those who are marginalized and i think that
8:21
it's it's so funny that because you see what
8:23
what the uh the term karen came about years ago y'all
8:27
are some of the biggest users of right
8:31
what was you know civil rights sure like your
8:34
man don't treat you know they they didn't want you to vote for sure
8:36
you just stay pregnant stay in the house they had
8:39
no respect for you either didn't even want them in the
8:42
workplace so instead of you taking
8:46
it out on them at home and fighting for your decency and respectability in your
8:52
home you went out and took your nonsense you took your nonsense out on the black
8:57
community correct brown community correct what a poor community as a whole as
9:01
a whole there you go right there as a whole and it's,
9:05
Again, it's just interesting.
9:09
When I when I I'm sorry, y'all, I'm calling names.
9:13
But when I think of the Marco Rubio's, when I think of the Ted Cruz's, these guys are Latin X.
9:22
How can you watch everything that ICE does?
9:27
Everything that the GOP says and does about your people and your cool with it.
9:36
I mean, let's just be real. We were having a conversation the other day.
9:39
We were talking about how even some black Africans come over here and they look
9:45
down on black Americans and consider themselves other or different in order to assimilate,
9:56
ascend, move up the social ladder.
9:59
And again, when we say path to whiteness, it's a generalization.
10:04
But what it really is, is that social status, that economic status,
10:11
that we're really saying that's what the path to whiteness is.
10:16
You know, the way to better your position is to be with them folks, as they say.
10:27
So to go back to the affirmative action the
10:31
poster child was michael wang he was that kid who
10:34
applied to all those ivy league schools and was rejected
10:37
he has since
10:40
filed i think several lawsuits that one one went all the way to the supreme
10:45
court right right well he was the one that fought and of course he came out
10:50
later and say he never meant for it to be abolished right But the fact that
10:53
he said that he was being excluded from the Ivy Leagues because black people
10:57
were getting consideration,
10:59
then affirmative action was overturned due to his cause.
11:03
And then he didn't get accepted to those same schools that he thought was going
11:09
to accept him. So you assimilated.
11:11
You blamed black people. Yep.
11:15
You're not blaming all those rich kids, black and white. The legacy admissions.
11:20
The legacy admissions. There you go.
11:22
You're not blaming them, which is who you should be blaming. Exactly.
11:26
You're blaming the people who are fighting to get in. Right.
11:30
As you and I discussed previously with Joy Reid.
11:33
And Joy Reid said that without affirmative action, they would have never had
11:37
eyes on her. Correct. At Harvard.
11:40
She said they would have never come to her town. Correct. They would have just picked who they picked.
11:45
But due to affirmative action, they were forced to. They were forced to look.
11:50
And they saw her and realized, well, I mean, obviously, you know,
11:53
four point whatever GPA she had, high SAT scores. So she was qualified. Correct.
11:59
But affirmative action enabled her to have the resources to apply for her. Correct.
12:06
And without it, she wouldn't have been able to apply.
12:09
Right. And and this is why the DEI argument, the affirmative action is reverse racism.
12:17
The reason why that whole talking point falls flat is because of everything
12:21
you just said, because without affirmative action, without DEI initiatives,
12:28
people of color wouldn't even get a chance to.
12:33
Without it, you leave everything up to the good old boy network.
12:38
That's it. And of course, the Nepo babies, the legacy babies,
12:42
they're going to fill every position. Yep.
12:46
And if by chance you just happen to get in, you're going to be one in a million.
12:54
So no, it's not reverse racism.
12:58
DEI is not a bad thing.
13:01
It actually evens a playing field
13:04
or kind of I mean because it's still not
13:07
level but it evens a playing field that we wouldn't be allowed to step on to
13:13
begin with yeah so instead of just acknowledging that it's the the playing field
13:18
is uneven it's oh this dude got here because of DEI. Yes and no.
13:27
DEI may have opened the door for him to walk in, but he earned it.
13:31
Without DEI, the door would have stayed locked.
13:34
He would have sat on the other side, having the credentials to get in,
13:38
but not allowed to get in.
13:43
You're right. Listen, at our age, one thing I will not do is argue with fools. No, sir.
13:51
Not about this topic. No. So you can get on social media.
13:56
You can say whatever you want on TV about how DEI is wrong and it should have been abolished.
14:03
You know what I do? I change the channel. Yes, sir.
14:05
Because I'm not about to argue with you about something that you know nothing about.
14:09
Clarence Thomas, the only reason you are a judge, you clown,
14:15
is because of affirmative action.
14:18
You are against the very device, the very tool that allowed you to be placed in your position.
14:27
And here you are voting against it.
14:30
Talk about pulling the ladder up or closing the door behind you.
14:35
I almost caught him an N-word.
14:37
And what's crazy is that there was a book written, and I forget who did it,
14:43
but on The Right Time podcast with Beaumont, he had like a four-part series
14:49
where they talked about Clarence Thomas.
14:51
And there was some investigative, I think it was Slow Burn, something on Slate that did it.
14:55
And Clarence Thomas is nothing like how he portrays himself to be.
15:01
They talk about how- They called him Clarence X back in the day. Yeah.
15:06
How he was militant, how he was gung-ho about making sure that people understood
15:11
that he was going to knock that door down.
15:15
But then he got in there and completely flipped the script.
15:20
Money talks. Money talks, bro. You drink the Kool-Aid, as they say.
15:25
Drink the Kool-Aid. Money talks. You get comfortable. And then on top of that,
15:31
you start feeling like you're quote unquote special.
15:35
The only one. Look at me. I'm the big dog. No, you were chosen, bro.
15:41
You ain't special. You were chosen. And in order to keep your position,
15:46
you got to do any and everything that they tell your black ass to do or you'd be a part of there.
15:54
And if you don't believe me, ask Tiger.
15:57
That's a whole different conversation.
16:02
So. Oh, Tiger. Oh, Tiger. So.
16:05
So there this is also something I'm again, I'm making a generalization.
16:10
This is just a question, though.
16:12
It's not it's not an accusation. It's not an indictment.
16:16
But are you aware that the Tungans Pacific North Islanders had like a chapter
16:26
of the Black Panther movement in New Zealand back in the day?
16:31
I believe they want to present. Have you ever seen what the aboriginals look
16:36
like in New Zealand and Australia? no that's my that's my point though so it's like.
16:43
Back then in the 70s, the 60s, 70s, whatever, you recognized that there was a racial disparity.
16:51
You recognized that you were being treated as second class citizens.
16:54
I'm just curious if they were to come to America, would they consider themselves black?
17:02
Would you would you would you still be my black brothers or would you be on that not black?
17:10
So I can only speak as a lifelong wrestling fan watching the Anawaii family.
17:18
Yes. The answer to your question is yes. Which way?
17:23
Oh, okay. I got you. Because there are, especially the ones that are wrestling
17:27
now and coming from that family, the overwhelming majority of the ones that are front facing,
17:33
yeah, they are deeply ingrained, especially the ones from the Bay Area.
17:38
They're deeply ingrained in black culture and kind of like the Booyah tribe yeah.
17:44
Yeah okay all right i mean that the the
17:47
reason why i brought it up is because i watch predator badlands
17:51
and the guy that's playing the predator is
17:55
a pacific north islander tungan background
17:58
and what's the movie good it's decent yeah okay yeah it's decent i liked it
18:03
and and when i look at him i go man that's a brother yeah but i'm just like
18:09
would he go i'm not black sort of like how And Tito Trinidad used to piss me off.
18:16
A boy always used to say he ain't black. And it's just like,
18:19
cuz, have you looked in the mirror? Yeah, you are, bro.
18:23
I'm not black. I'm not black. You are black, bro. And they're going to treat you like you're black.
18:29
And piggyback off what you just said. It was called the Polynesian Panther Party.
18:34
Okay, okay, okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like I said, they definitely had a chapter.
18:38
But it's funny. I wanted to touch on something that you mentioned earlier.
18:41
You brought up the census.
18:43
Do you know on the census when you come to this country, if you're from North
18:50
Africa, you are considered white?
18:54
That's on the census form. You can be as dark as me. And look, I'm pretty dark, y'all.
19:00
You can be as dark as me. And if you're from North Africa, you can take that white box.
19:06
It's a it's a it's a famous lecturer.
19:09
Oh, my gosh. I'm so sorry for forgetting his name, y'all. but he had to fight.
19:16
For his blackness when he came here. That sounds familiar.
19:20
He basically, like, because of the census and because of, I think he was a black
19:25
Egyptian, they were like, no, you're white. And he was like, I'm not white.
19:30
And his lecture goes into how his colleagues would go, what are you doing?
19:36
Just accept the whiteness and you'll, you know, get this benefit,
19:41
that benefit, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
19:43
Leave this fight alone. And he was like, you cannot tell me to leave this fight alone.
19:49
You want me to live a lie. He was like, I cannot do that. As a black man, I cannot.
19:56
And I'm just like, that's so interesting. You know, and I forgive me,
20:02
I will put his name in the notes so everyone can look up his lectures.
20:06
I can't call his name right now, but I will look that up.
20:12
Going off what you said about the census, it's supposed to change,
20:16
apparently, to allow to be, instead of just being considered white,
20:21
it's supposed to be either white, Middle Eastern, or North African.
20:26
I'm using air quotes. Yes. Supposed to. Yes. And I think that if this is the
20:32
one you took, Mustafa Hefni.
20:34
You got a picture of him? Brother with a fro glasses? Yes. Yeah.
20:39
Yes. He's Egyptian. Yes. very interesting lecture on this whole topic that we're discussing today.
20:46
Yeah, I think, yeah, this is what you're talking about for sure.
20:48
Yes, thank you for that. Yep.
20:51
Very interesting. So that's our main topic for today, our pathway to whiteness
20:58
or, you know, why do others feel like they have to put the Black community down in order to ascend?
21:06
We can probably follow up on this, but we're going to leave it there for now.
21:09
Can I add one more thing? Yeah, sure. So this is something near and dear to my heart.
21:14
If you fall in love with someone.
21:18
Oh, man. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's white.
21:23
He's white or whatever color. I mean, whatever nationality, you know, whatever.
21:29
Love that person because you fell in love with them.
21:32
Marry them because you fell in love with them. Have children with them because
21:35
you two decided to have children together.
21:39
Yes. It doesn't matter what side of the tracks you come from.
21:43
If you love them, you love them. Correct.
21:45
Please stop, as a brother, stop dating white women and then saying the reason
21:52
you date white women is because black women do X, Y, and Z. Mm-hmm.
21:57
That is the quickest way to get punched in the mouth. Like it is. It drives me nuts.
22:04
And the same thing with with with black women. Correct. Well,
22:07
I date a white man because a black man did this. No, no, no, no, no, no.
22:11
The idiot that you picked. Correct. Did you dirty. Correct.
22:16
Correct. It's an individual thing. Right. Correct. All black men did.
22:19
Now, if that white man came into your life or a white woman came into your life and you fall in love.
22:25
Cool. I'll be at your wedding. not seen, I'll be there. I'll raise a toast for you. I love it.
22:30
But the second that you start, because if I'm your partner and I start hearing
22:35
you say, well, the reason I date this person or that person is because.
22:41
A black woman did this or a black man did that. As your partner,
22:44
I'm sitting back going, oh, so I'm a revenge?
22:47
Like, so you don't really love me. So you only came after me because you didn't
22:51
want to date someone in your race.
22:54
So did you fall in love with me or did you seek me out because I was white?
22:58
Almost like a self-hate thing.
23:00
No, no, not almost. It is a self-hate thing.
23:03
Okay, I feel you. Because see, I'm not one to say that just because you date
23:05
somebody of a different nationality or race that you hate your people.
23:09
Yeah. But when you actively put us down, why you're not dating a black person. Yeah.
23:16
First off, I want to hit it. Yeah. You don't you don't have to put us down to
23:20
justify your choice. No, I feel you. You got to prove nothing to me. Yeah.
23:24
Yeah. Yeah. Just stand up on it. This is who I love. That's that.
23:28
And I feel you. I feel that. Yeah.
23:30
And you're right. It does happen on both sides. Men do it and women do it.
23:35
Oh, yeah. And you are correct.
23:36
It 100% needs to stop.
23:39
100 percent. And I think it happens probably more frequently than we want to
23:45
admit or even recognize, you know, and and yeah, I've heard it. You've heard it.
23:53
Yeah. Recently. Yeah. Black man ain't this or sisters don't do this.
23:59
Sisters don't do that. No, no, I feel you. I feel you.
24:01
That's a good point, bro. I'm glad I'm glad you brought that up.
24:04
Anything else you want to add? Nope.
24:06
All right, cool. Let's let's move into some current events. You want me to start
24:11
or you want to start? All right. So.
24:14
Just this week, I know most of us are aware of the email or the emails that's
24:23
been dropped in regards to Epstein, Trump, et cetera, et cetera.
24:29
And the email that most people are familiar with are the emails between Epstein
24:36
and Maxwell saying, I can do this to Trump, et cetera, et cetera.
24:42
Well, there is another email that's making the rounds that mass media,
24:50
mainstream media, they're not talking about.
24:53
And it's an email between Jeffrey Epstein and his brother, Mark.
25:00
And this email is basically saying, does Putin have the tape on Trump blowing Bubba?
25:09
I'm not going to speculate about who Bubba is. That's irrelevant.
25:16
What I want to focus on is this.
25:21
The pee tape that they kept saying never existed.
25:26
It probably exists. Whether it's this tape about Bubba or the pee tape or whatever
25:34
the case may be The moral of the story is Trump is compromised Putin has something,
25:44
whatever it may be He has something on Trump And his actions and his behavior
25:52
towards Putin and Russia proves it Blaming Ukraine for starting a war that everyone
26:00
knows they didn't start.
26:02
Trying to get Putin and Russia accepted into the G7. You are compromised, fella.
26:11
And I don't like to be a conspiracy theorist. It may not just be Trump.
26:19
I like to think when they hacked the DNC, they also hacked Republicans.
26:26
And that's why their whole positions and attitudes have also changed towards Russia.
26:33
Think about how Reagan them felt about Russia.
26:36
George Bush, Sr., George Bush, Jr.
26:40
They would never go to bat for Russia on anything.
26:46
And all of these clowns now, they want to turn a blind eye to all of the just
26:53
vile things that Russia does. And why?
26:58
Because the pedo in chief says so. And yeah, I said that.
27:05
So mine is not something that most people would know. Well, no one would know
27:10
about unless you work with me.
27:12
So I work a job that will remain nameless that we hire contractors under me currently.
27:22
I believe there are 36 contractors.
27:25
A lot of these contractors are immigrants.
27:29
They are here working legally because the company that I work for does not hire
27:35
anyone that does not have any any type of legal documentation.
27:39
So due to some new changes in the law,
27:44
the IRS came after a handful of people asking them to submit verification on
27:53
certain documents, which they have.
27:55
So it's not a big deal. They have the documents.
27:58
But when I tell you that several of these these folks.
28:04
Constantly emailing me, texting me, worried to death that they're going to lose their job.
28:11
So many of these cats are our age, 10 years younger. They've been here most of their lives.
28:17
They've gone to every immigration hearing. They've done everything that they're supposed to do.
28:22
But they spend all of their time worried that somebody is going to show up and
28:29
relieve them of their soon-to-be citizenship.
28:34
Because also a lot of these people that work under me are trying to become U.S.
28:40
Citizens, doing things the right way as you keep hearing people say,
28:44
well, if you come here, you should do it the right way.
28:46
I have a slew of people under me that are doing it the right way.
28:52
And again, I don't want to get too deep with it because, you know,
28:56
bringing my job and everything and the quite, you know.
28:59
Sure, sure. But I could even tell how uncomfortable the people that we work
29:03
with, like in the office, sending this information out and having these conversations
29:09
on conference calls where it's just like, hey, we got to get this done.
29:13
And then you go read over the IRS regulations and you think to yourself,
29:17
how the hell is this legal?
29:21
You have their documentation. Mm hmm. They've shown you we have a system where
29:27
we input people in that we use every night.
29:30
It has their documentation that shows that they are authorized to work in this country.
29:38
But yet the IRS came after him anyway when this dipshit came in office to ask for more.
29:46
What more documentation do you expect them to pull out of their ass?
29:51
Let me let me ask you a quick question on that. Common sense question.
29:55
If the IRS is coming after them, what does this mean?
30:00
They're paying taxes well here's the
30:02
thing they're contractors so they
30:06
don't oh really yeah so they i mean
30:08
yeah they have to pay taxes obviously but it's up to them to file their taxes
30:13
oh no of course yeah yeah but they're still required to pay i got you i got
30:17
where you're going yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah all right wait a minute it was it
30:23
started off as hey if you don't turn these in by this day,
30:27
this could happen and what it was is that we're going to start taxing your checks okay,
30:34
some of those people depend on that money to send back home yeah then it went
30:39
from that to oh yeah you need to do this so you're done so what is it do you
30:45
want people to do the right damn thing or you just not want them here i'm going
30:50
with the latter you just don't want them here. Is this state or federal?
30:54
It's federal. Federal. You know why?
30:58
Well, I'm not going to say is this the sole reason, but you know, only two states.
31:05
It's turned in like voter rolls and all of that kind of stuff.
31:09
Oh, up from, yeah. Indiana and Wyoming.
31:14
So I'm not saying that's like a direct causation, but could be.
31:20
And yes, you're right. They are weaponizing the IRS, which is violent itself.
31:27
And as a man that has raised a family and has been a father since I was 21 years
31:32
old, struggled comfortable.
31:35
I've done it all. I've been comfortable. I've struggled. For sure. I've had issues.
31:40
I've overcome a lot of issues.
31:42
To see people literally going to work every night just to do their job bust
31:49
their ass and take care of their family you're trying to take it away from them for why?
31:52
For what? Because you think that somebody's stealing your damn job.
31:56
I've tried to hire y'all that keep talking about that.
32:00
None of y'all Y'all show up for what? That part right there.
32:02
When I set an interview, y'all asses don't show up. That part.
32:07
Doing jobs that no one wants to do. Right.
32:13
Y'all don't show up. Yeah. They do. And the fact that they are legally,
32:19
they have done everything that the United States has asked them to do,
32:24
to be here and to work legally.
32:27
And then they still have to give you more documentation. They wouldn't even
32:31
be in the goddamn country. Right.
32:34
If they didn't have this documentation already. We wouldn't hire them.
32:38
Right. Because the company I work for, they're not going to stick their neck
32:41
out and mess up their crib.
32:43
There you go there you go there you
32:45
go you would you would literally be jeopardizing your
32:49
business or doing something illegal which
32:52
and then which trust me they are not going yeah yeah anybody yeah yeah you're
32:57
going to open yourself up to be audited etc etc yeah it's it's it's crazy bro
33:03
it's crazy i i'm with you i understand i understand completely when i get them phone calls,
33:11
man, or them text messages, I get angry.
33:13
Because I'm like, yo, I don't know what to tell you.
33:17
Let me make a call. Let me send an email. Make sure that all the necessary,
33:21
make sure they got everything so you can stop worrying.
33:25
And then when I go visit, when I do my rounds at night, pull up,
33:29
they talking to me, they worry. Sure.
33:33
After I done already told you, no, you're good. Right. They're still worried.
33:37
Right. Who the hell wants to live like that? Right.
33:40
But you You got people out there, sorry, y'all, you got people out there still
33:44
arguing this, and you don't even want the damn job that I have to offer.
33:48
Right, right. But you don't want him or her to have it.
33:52
It's because of the lie. I'd rather have those, the people that work for me
33:57
now, than any of these damn hypocrites working for me. It's because of the lie.
34:01
They're sending their rapists, their drug dealers, their killers.
34:06
It's because of the lie. That's all it is.
34:09
None of this was an issue prior to this clown running for office.
34:15
None of this was never an issue.
34:18
No. Not to this level. Not that part. That part. Not to this extent. Yes.
34:24
Illegal immigrant, of course.
34:28
But all of this targeting them, that's all a recent thing. How the hell do you go to court?
34:37
Hey, it's been six months. We need to see you in court on this day.
34:41
All right, I'll be there. And you got ICE waiting on me.
34:45
I just did everything you asked me to do. Right.
34:47
Now, if I pull up to the courthouse, see y'all, and then I break out running,
34:52
hey, I expect you to chase them down. Like, hey, what you running for?
34:57
But at the same time, who can blame them? Well, yeah, I'm out too.
35:00
Yeah, who can blame them at that point? Because I'm sitting there telling you
35:03
right now, I'm out too. Yeah. Try to pull me over. Yeah. Ghost. Yeah. Done.
35:08
You go setting up shop. You should just comply. Yeah.
35:14
You setting up shop in Home Depot parking lots and stuff to get contractors and whatnot.
35:20
You know what you're doing. You know exactly what you're doing.
35:22
Because it's known that that's where a lot of contractors will hang out to look for work.
35:29
But you're supposed to be going after the worst of the worst. Nah. The criminals.
35:34
That takes too much effort and investigation. to
35:37
do correct because because the whole
35:40
thing was a lie from the very jump
35:44
the get-go it was all just a lie that shit got me hot no good good bro honestly
35:51
everyone should be hot and this doesn't even affect us in that way but no everyone
35:57
should be hot it where's the humanity right,
36:01
It is. Forget illegal immigration, American, Guatemalan, Venezuelan.
36:10
Forget all of that.
36:13
Where is the humanity?
36:16
That's the part where it's like, don't tell me what a good Christian you are.
36:20
You can say it with your mouth all you want, but your actions are telling me
36:25
that you don't give a damn about your fellow man.
36:29
And some of these folks will be the first ones on the plan going to Cancun going
36:34
to their local Mexican restaurant in their community.
36:38
Alright it's cool bro what about a rock bro we gonna leave that there my man
36:46
blood pressure getting up,
36:48
look and I don't even suffer from high blood pressure knock on wood I've never
36:52
had that oh man I love it bro I love it we should be passionate about these
36:58
things What about a rart, bro? You got a rart?
37:01
Yeah, but it's not lighthearted. So what? I'm going to keep it.
37:06
So we talked about it briefly before we started.
37:09
And I was going to make it lighthearted because we laughed about it yesterday.
37:13
That dude driving that Mercedes. He pissed me off.
37:17
So in. I mean, he pissed you off, bro.
37:22
It's like, dog, not everybody is retired just cruising, doing 30 in a 45.
37:29
Dude was doing 30 in a 45. Right, right, right, right.
37:33
But I wanted to bring up road rage.
37:36
Yes. So pretty much for the last, what, 10, 11 years of my life,
37:42
I've spent a lot of time in my car or trucks, just driving trucks, whatever.
37:48
As your job, not living in your... Yeah, no, not living in your car.
37:52
Not that there's anything wrong with it. No, no, no. But...
37:57
Have to maintain some level of decorum when you're out on the road.
38:02
Somebody wants to get in, let them over.
38:04
That jerk that speeds into the end, I don't know if any of you that live in Indiana understand.
38:10
Is it called the merge zip merging so that
38:13
car that's in the right lane and the sign said
38:16
lane ends in two miles they're supposed to
38:19
stay in that right lane and merge when they
38:22
can they don't they don't have to to worry about what you what you're doing
38:27
in your car but the reason i bring it up is that in nevada a couple of days
38:31
ago there were two people there was a 22 year old in one car and there was a
38:36
man in the other car with his 11-year-old stepson in the back.
38:41
He started jockeying for position with the guy on the road.
38:46
Now, keep in mind, the article said that the road was congested.
38:49
Nobody could go anywhere.
38:51
And these two are fighting to get in front of one another.
38:54
Well, the 22-year-old got tired of the guy in the other car,
38:58
pulled out his gun, shot towards his car.
39:00
Now, I can only assume that, not that this matters, he was trying not to hurt
39:06
anybody because he shot towards the backseat, not realizing that there was an
39:11
11-year-old on his way to school in the backseat.
39:14
So he has since been charged with, I think it was like seven or eight felonies, something like that.
39:20
22 years old, whole life is ruined. Ruined.
39:24
Because you wanted to get one car ahead and then sit in traffic.
39:29
Right. Right. So I bring that up to say, mind your damn business,
39:34
drive your damn car and quit worrying about what somebody else is doing.
39:39
And look, I know somebody that I know might hear this and go,
39:42
that's rich coming from your ass.
39:44
I'm not like that no more because I have seen, especially in Indianapolis.
39:49
How often we see stuff in the news on 465. Road rage.
39:53
And I drive through that side of town four or five times a day.
39:56
I've learned to get in the lane set the cruise control and roll mind your damn business,
40:05
taken. Very, very, very good. I am going to go lighthearted on this and I want
40:13
to talk about nostalgia.
40:17
As we move into the holiday season, and let me just stay for the record,
40:23
I do not celebrate holidays, any of them.
40:27
That's a different conversation for a different time. But as we move into the
40:32
holiday season, a lot of people get nostalgic.
40:37
On the flip side of that, a lot of people also get depressed.
40:40
It's also like one of the biggest depression seasons because of loneliness and
40:45
et cetera, et cetera. But I don't I don't want to talk about that.
40:49
But as we as we get into this holiday season and and, you know,
40:53
you start having those nostalgic feelings.
40:55
I think about my teenage years and you and I both started working as soon as we turned 16.
41:07
This may not quite right across the street. Yeah, for sure.
41:12
This may not count as nostalgia, but it's a memory. It's it's something that
41:18
I miss when I would come home from work on a Saturday afternoon shower.
41:26
I grabbed me something to eat and I would watch Xena the Warrior Princess and
41:33
the Legend of Hercules with Kevin Sorbo before he became crazy. A MAGA idiot.
41:41
But that was just like my Saturday afternoon until the fellas came,
41:46
you know, once it got dark and the fellas coming, like, let's go get into something.
41:50
But I miss those days, man. I miss those days where life was simple.
41:55
Go to work. I come home and I just find me a good show about absolutely nothing
42:01
and spend those two hours just sitting there watching Xena and Hercules.
42:08
Was they came on back to back on a Saturday afternoon. I miss those days, man.
42:14
So there's a page, and I might be messing it up, something that's about nostalgia
42:19
on Instagram. And I just stumbled across it one day.
42:22
Bro, you know, I was laying in the bed one night, like 11 o'clock at night,
42:25
and it was just showing different things from the 90s, which we think is the greatest decade ever.
42:32
Absolutely. And it is. Bro.
42:36
You know, I'm sitting there watching some of this stuff. like wiping like
42:40
eyes getting watery i'm like man the good
42:43
old days yeah like thinking about especially all
42:46
the nonsense we got into yeah i mean it was it was it was it was just so simple
42:52
and i mean because you know the parties that the the basement parties were always
42:56
on friday night which we had a crap ton of right so saturday night was always
43:02
like you needed to find something to get into.
43:05
So like I said, until the homies came in, though, once it got dark,
43:10
the homies come pick you up and you're like, OK, let's go find something to
43:12
get into. But for those couple hours,
43:15
was just cool to just sit there and chill and think about nothing and just a
43:20
lot of care in the world not a care in the world and everything is all right
43:23
yep the 90s the good old days um but anyway y'all that's my right i don't want
43:30
to look you don't make me tear up.
43:34
I definitely don't want to do that especially on this podcast so we're going
43:40
to go into five on the black hand side.
43:43
And we're going to talk about a love story today.
43:48
Mm-hmm. We're going to talk about love and basketball.
43:53
Mm-hmm. Take it away, my brother. All right, so love and basketball,
43:58
which I have seen probably, no joke, 30 plus times,
44:03
came out in 2000, follows the lives of Monica Wright and Quincy McCall,
44:08
two kids who grew up next door to each other, in LA, and share one major passion, and that's basketball.
44:14
From childhood to adulthood, their friendship devolved into love as they chase
44:19
their dreams of playing professionally.
44:21
Monica is fiercely competitive and dreams of joining the WNBA while Quincy is
44:25
a natural talent expected to follow in his NBA father's footsteps.
44:30
As they grow older, their careers began pulling them apart, bringing tension,
44:34
heartbreak, and hard choices.
44:36
At its core, loving basketball is a story about two people learning what they
44:39
mean to each other while fighting to become who they want to be on and off the court.
44:45
And the director is Gina Prince. There it is.
44:52
Yes, there it is. It's funny because you said you couldn't remember.
44:56
As soon as I saw her name, I was like, oh yeah, her face immediately popped into my head.
45:01
So this movie for me, the first time I saw it, how cool.
45:07
Until my ex-wife watched it. My ex-wife, your former neighbor.
45:14
Yes. Who watched it consistently.
45:16
Like, she loved it. Mm-hmm. Probably still does. Mm-hmm. Haven't talked to her about it.
45:21
But I enjoyed the movie overall. I still think it is a good movie,
45:26
contrary to what I said before we started.
45:28
I do think it was a good movie. However, you and I both think that they should
45:34
have chose someone else other than Omar Epps.
45:37
Correct. for this role.
45:41
I don't want to jump ahead, so I'm going to let you... No, because you summed it up perfectly, and...
45:50
The only issue I have with the movie. Right. I think Sanai was great.
45:55
I think their their chemistry between the two of them was actually great.
46:00
I love how he wanted to be like his pops. His pops was his hero all while he was growing up.
46:09
And then as he got older, he realized that pops was kind of on some bullshit
46:13
and pops mistreated his mom.
46:15
Um, so I dug all of those stories and those dynamics and even her with,
46:21
um, her mom being a traditional housewife.
46:26
And she was like, that's not the path for me, even though her mom like find
46:29
you a nice man, get you a career, get married, have some kids.
46:34
And she's like, no, that's not the path for me. So I dug all of those like conflicts
46:41
they had with their parents and choosing the traditional paths.
46:45
The only issue I had with the movie, not that Omar Epps is a bad actor.
46:52
No, no, it's a good actor.
46:54
I just couldn't believe that he's this phenom.
46:59
And I've always thought this movie would have been better if that was Kobe playing that role.
47:05
Or at least an NBA player where it can his basketball scenes just didn't look
47:12
believable to me where Sanaa trained with just every part of the movie she was
47:20
in with as far as training goes it looked believable,
47:23
and she did train with real professional athletes for the role I don't know
47:29
if he did or didn't but I just couldn't buy him.
47:35
As the ultra-talented high school player that's making the league straight.
47:40
Or did he play one-year college ball or he went straight there? I think so.
47:44
Yeah, that's right. One year, one year, one year at USC. That's right.
47:47
That's right. That's right. And then went to the league.
47:50
Yeah, that was my only gripe is I just didn't like him in that role.
47:55
So I'm going to expand on him particularly.
47:59
So both of you are dynamic athletes fighting for the same goal,
48:06
and that's to become professionals.
48:07
Well, remember, there was no WNBA when she finished school. Right.
48:12
Just trying to get there.
48:15
He acted like he had no idea what it
48:18
took right to become what they were both starting to become so they get to college
48:27
all of a sudden first off he broke up with her because she wouldn't break curfew
48:32
right you wouldn't break curfew
48:33
either right because you understand the consequences of breaking curfew.
48:39
He expected her to be emotionally available.
48:43
Right. All of the time. Right. Support me. Support me. Support me. Yeah.
48:49
Another issue I have, and you and I have had this conversation in the past.
48:53
Can we just have a normal black family? I feel you.
48:57
Why did daddy got to be? Yeah, I understand he was in the NBA.
49:00
I get that. Right, right. Why he got to be out there wilding and cheating on
49:03
his wife? Right, right. Right.
49:06
No, I feel you. Why is your relationship with him troubled? Right.
49:11
No, I feel you. Dude, I'm 50.
49:13
I have never had an argument with my father.
49:17
My father has never heard what
49:19
my voice sounds like above the decibels I'm speaking right now. Right.
49:23
My mother's only heard that once. And that was something that happened down
49:28
here when my nephew graduated.
49:30
Yeah. I had to step in and raise my voice on something. Yeah. For her.
49:36
Every movie we turn on is some type of chaos, some type of conflict.
49:41
No, I feel that. Like you and I always talk about Tariq.
49:44
Oh, my God.
49:46
And the dynamic relationship he had with Ghost Natasha.
49:51
Hey, man, if you don't shut your ass up. You spoiled rich brat that got everything handed to you.
50:00
It doesn't always have to be conflict. Yeah. The only time you see families,
50:06
black or white, for that matter, where something crazy isn't happening is when it's a comedy.
50:14
But any movie that has any serious parts in it, it always seems like the kid
50:20
is always jacked up in some sort of way.
50:23
I'll give you an example. And this is a completely different movie. Traffic.
50:31
Michael Douglas is the drug czar. And your daughter is sleeping around in the hood.
50:37
Smoking. Smoking and shooting up heroin. Right.
50:40
We had to go that extreme? Right. Right.
50:44
No, I feel you. I feel you. He in the hood knocking on doors.
50:48
Right. Guns pulled on him. Right. Dude, you the drug czar. Right. Make a phone call.
50:52
That part. Knock this whole damn building down. That part. I'm going to get my baby girl.
50:57
Right there. Not to say for those listening, we understand that there are beefs
51:06
within family. Absolutely.
51:08
We understand that. What we're
51:11
saying is, do we need it to be promoted or perpetuated in every movie?
51:19
It's yeah, Tyler Perry. Man, you took the words right out of my mouth,
51:23
bro. I was just about to say how Tyler Perry just perpetuates the evil black man myth.
51:29
And it's just like, bro, would you knock it off, please?
51:33
Like, find something else to write about. It's always the brother is doing some
51:39
woman just terribly wrong to the point where it's unbelievable.
51:44
Like terribly wrong. Yeah. Gosh,
51:47
we didn't got so far off of love and basketball. But I got to say this.
51:51
Richard T. Jones. making Jill Scott drive across the country in a snowstorm
52:00
while he's on the plane with his mistress and all of their friends.
52:06
I'm like, man, knock it off. Nobody would do that dumb shit.
52:10
So the woman or the man wouldn't stand for it. So our circle, there's five of us.
52:19
My ex-wife was your neighbor. Like literally grew up right across the street. 60 feet away. Correct.
52:27
Is my ex-wife now if i did that to
52:30
her now i would be terrified that you
52:33
what are you doing the child gonna be like hey dog
52:36
what you doing yeah we about to fight yeah you out you out of pocket you out
52:40
of pocket you're not about to do this to her yeah hell i'll pay for her damn
52:44
ticket if that's the case but understand that when we get to where we're going
52:47
you and i fight i would expect that none of these rich black folks right it's crazy said a word crazy.
52:57
So to to get back to to get back to our movie loving basketball so quincy,
53:06
against his father wishes decides to enter the nba draft tears up his knee basically
53:15
has a career-ending injury done career's over ends up right back at his parents house,
53:24
monica did she go play overseas honestly i can't remember like i i think i think
53:30
she i think she tried to play overseas but then she ended up coming home and
53:34
getting the office job and she was terribly unhappy and she's trying to get
53:41
with him because he's dating tyra banks,
53:44
and she's trying to get with him he don't want to hear it
53:47
so the culminating scene is
53:50
they play a one-on-one i'll play you for it i'll play you for your heart yes
53:58
it's corny yes it's cheesy but i get it i like it spoiler alert no i'm not even gonna spoil it,
54:10
You ain't seen it by now. You deserve it. It deserves. You deserve to get spoiled.
54:13
I can't believe I just said it. I can't even get the words out right.
54:16
What the hell am I trying to say?
54:19
Basically, you're telling me to spoil it.
54:24
So they end up playing the one on one. And she loses.
54:31
So the relationship is supposed to be over at that point.
54:36
End of the movie. There is no happy ending.
54:40
But it doesn't end there. Nope.
54:44
They do end up getting together and she becomes the star professional athlete for the Sparks.
54:53
And he's sitting in the crowd being the cheerleader supporting her.
54:59
So that's sort of the twist in the whole thing is that he was supposed to be
55:04
the star player, the professional athlete, and it ends up being her.
55:10
When it's all said and done, but they do end up getting together and they have their happy ending.
55:16
So so that's love and basketball. Yes, we just had a daughter and they and they
55:21
had the kid. That is correct.
55:22
So we just spoiled the ending. But again, like I said, this is an old movie. Yeah.
55:28
Twenty five years old to be exact. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean,
55:30
you can still watch it and enjoy it.
55:32
And I mean, like a quick Google search, you would have known how it ended anyway.
55:37
So, so, so, so there's, there, there's that you want to get is how many,
55:42
how many high fives on the black hand side?
55:45
What's the maximum? We have five. Pick one. We go three.
55:50
You don't go three? Yeah, that's only because I had to watch it 30 times. All right.
55:54
I'm going to give it a four. I like this movie. I said my only gripe was Omar Epps.
56:00
I just felt like how Spike Lee put Ray Allen in.
56:05
Gosh, why I can't think of the name of the movie. He got game. He got game. Thank you.
56:09
How Spike Lee put Ray Allen in. He got game.
56:12
Yes, his acting wasn't on par. but at least we knew that he could hoop.
56:18
Yeah, all that was legit.
56:19
Yeah, yeah. For those that don't know, Ray Allen was way more than just a three-point
56:23
shooter. Yeah, yeah. Like a ball.
56:25
Yeah, so I just felt like had they put an actual NBA, if not even an NBA like
56:31
a former college, like D1 player in that role, it would have been more believable.
56:39
So there's that loving basketball. Like I said, I enjoyed the movie.
56:47
Thing omar epps was cast wrong and we're gonna
56:50
leave it right there so now it's time for the
56:53
closing monologue take it away my brother all right
56:57
so i know i mentioned family earlier
57:00
and admittedly i had to use some uh i used some some uh some internet what's
57:09
the one what am i looking for had a little help not with the words but just
57:13
putting it in order because you know this this topic is,
57:18
it can make people emotional when you're referring to family.
57:22
So here we go. So family is often considered the foundation of our lives.
57:27
We've got our parents, our children, aunts, uncles, grandparents.
57:31
They are the reason, and they are the people that shape us and give us all the
57:36
support and love that we have.
57:38
Staying connected to the people who truly care about us is important.
57:41
Those bonds carry us through life We have
57:45
also We also have to be real Being related
57:48
to someone Does not give them a free
57:51
pass To bring chaos or negativity into your life
57:54
Some family members have to be loved from a distance And that includes parents
57:58
If their presence becomes toxic Protecting your peace is still protecting your
58:03
future And here's the beautiful thing Family isn't only about blood Sometimes
58:07
the people who stand beside you Who show up for you who uplift you,
58:11
become your true family.
58:13
Friends can turn into brothers and sisters in every way that matters.
58:17
My co-host is not my best friend, he's my brother.
58:21
That's what genuine love and loyalty can build. In the end, family is defined
58:26
by support, respect, and connection, no matter who it comes from.
58:32
You my brother no problem all right
58:35
y'all we gonna leave it there for now thank you
58:38
for tuning in to episode 12 of
58:42
for the fam podcast again give
58:46
us a like give us a share leave a
58:50
comment let's squad up in these comments come on y'all work
58:53
with us now not against us we're not
58:56
jerks we won't attack you if you like seriously like
59:01
it's if you got something to say hey i
59:04
disagree with y'all on this like we we welcome it absolutely we
59:08
are all about a healthy discussion and a
59:11
healthy debate as long as it's a
59:15
good faith debate you know we're we're not going to argue with knuckleheads
59:19
about knucklehead things but yeah y'all give us give us a like give us a share
59:25
leave a comment you know tell a friend tell a friend to tell a friend tell your
59:31
mama tell your mama's mama no I'm gonna take no I'll leave that in.
59:37
Hey great brother mama might might want to
59:41
listen to it just just just just
59:44
tell Pookie and Nell right on to
59:48
go ahead and uh you know tune in to for the
59:50
fam podcast because we do this for the fam y'all you
59:53
know what I'm saying we just two brothers out here talking
59:56
about stuff that relates to all of us go through you'll find something in one
1:00:05
of our episodes that you can relate to and that's why we do it we just trying
1:00:10
to have real relatable discussions so,
1:00:16
a like give us a share subscribe all of
1:00:19
that good stuff y'all know what to do you can find us anywhere that
1:00:23
you get your favorite podcast we're there y'all on all the platforms you know
1:00:29
just for the fam not even hard not hard to search for us not hard to look us
1:00:36
up all right like i said And last time,
1:00:39
we are going to get active with those socials.
1:00:42
We just get busy. We got life.
1:00:47
We got life ahead of us. I mean, I'm sorry. But eventually, we will get there.
1:00:53
So anything you want to add, brother?
1:00:55
No, you covered it. All right, cool.
1:00:58
Thank you all for tuning in. And we'll holler at you all next time. Peace.