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Mega Edition: The Chad Daybell Trial (Part 4) (10/19/26) · Beyond The Horizon

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to continue on with our recap
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: of the Chad Daybell trial and we're going to see
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: what went down in the courtroom during day number four.
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  Speaker 1: And so far, there really haven't been too many surprises
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  Speaker 1: or anything that I would call unexpected. And the prosecution
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  Speaker 1: continues to hammer their point home with each and every
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  Speaker 1: witness that they call And each exhibit that they show
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: is evidence. So they continue on continuing on with the
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: same pattern that we saw with Lori Vallow. And that's
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  Speaker 1: just bled over here into the Chad Daybell trial. So today,
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  Speaker 1: once again, we're going to be using an article from EastIdahoNews.com.
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  Speaker 1: And the author of this article is Nate Eaton. 826 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: We're back in the courtroom. People in the gallery are seated.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutors are at their tables. John Pryor is at his table,
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  Speaker 1: but Chad Daybell is not in the courtroom yet. FBI
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  Speaker 1: tactical specialist Nicole Heideman will be back on the stand
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  Speaker 1: this morning. 8.31 a.m. Chad Daybell just walked in. He's
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  Speaker 1: wearing khaki pants, a dress shirt, and tie. He does
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  Speaker 1: not have on handcuffs or leg shackles, but appears to
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  Speaker 1: be wearing an ankle monitor on his right leg. And
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about Brian Kohlberger and the
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  Speaker 1: way he shows up to court. without any restraints. So
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  Speaker 1: this seems to be something that they do up here
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  Speaker 1: in Idaho relatively often, it would seem. And remember, Brian Koberger,
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell, these guys haven't been convicted of anything yet.
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  Speaker 1: So I could understand why their legal teams wouldn't want
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: them showing up in shackles, looking like Hannibal Lecter. 8.40 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Jurors take their seats. Boyce reminds everyone in the courtroom
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  Speaker 1: to follow the conduct order. He says a few members
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  Speaker 1: of the public did not comply yesterday and were not
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  Speaker 1: able to come back in the afternoon. 8.42 a.m. Heidemann
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  Speaker 1: says the case of the missing children quickly expanded into
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  Speaker 1: the deaths of Tammy Daybell and Charles Vallow, as well
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  Speaker 1: as the attempted shooting of Brandon Boudreau. 8.43 a.m. Heidemann
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  Speaker 1: looked at web searches done by Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell.
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  Speaker 1: Blake asked to admit a PowerPoint exhibit on a thumb drive.
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  Speaker 1: And those are the things that are really going to
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  Speaker 1: sink Lori Vallow with the jury. These exhibits, they were
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  Speaker 1: invaluable to the prosecutors. When we're talking about Lori Vallow,
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  Speaker 1: and it's going to be the same story this time around.
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  Speaker 1: Rinse and repeat.
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  Speaker 2: 8.46 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The first slide shows the summer of search activity from
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell at gmail.com beginning October 1st, 2018. And on
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  Speaker 1: January 28th, 2019, The email user searched for Ned Schneider,
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  Speaker 1: 1996 death, and other searches revolving around Ned Schneider. There
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  Speaker 1: was also a search for bodies possessed after original occupant dies, 8.49 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Heidemann says he reviewed multiple documents, reports, and phone data.
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  Speaker 1: She learned of the name Ned Schneider, Schneider, from Chandler
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  Speaker 1: and Gilbert police. Charles Vallow made comments that Lori referred
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  Speaker 1: to him as Ned Schneider, or Schneider. The name also
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  Speaker 1: appeared in Laurie's iCloud account in connection to Charles. And again,
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't watched that documentary about Laurie Vallow on Netflix,
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  Speaker 1: I suggest you do. It gives you a lot of
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  Speaker 1: background information, and I'll tell you what, all you have
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  Speaker 1: to do is take a look at the way this
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  Speaker 1: lady reacted to Charles being shot, and that tells me
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  Speaker 1: everything I needed to know about who she is and
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  Speaker 1: about the callous nature of her personality. I don't care
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  Speaker 1: what the situation is. If your ex-husband, your husband, they
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  Speaker 1: get shot and killed by your brother, there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a reaction. But for Lori Vallow, it was just
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  Speaker 1: like business as usual. Like it was expected. And you
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  Speaker 1: know why? Well, that's because her and Alex Cox, they
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  Speaker 1: conspired to kill Charles Vallow. And that's why ratty-ass, busted-ass,
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  Speaker 1: skafooza Lori Vallow is facing charges in Arizona now as well.
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  Speaker 2: 8.52 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The Chad Gmail account searched Ned Schneider, Louisiana obituary, 1997
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  Speaker 1: on January 31st, 2019. The next search on March 6th,
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  Speaker 1: 2019 was about cancer and Leo being compatible. Heidemann says
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  Speaker 1: Lori's birthday is a cancer and Chad's birthday makes him
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  Speaker 1: a Leo. Well, what are the odds, huh? An actual
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  Speaker 1: physical embodiment of cancer is a cancer as far as
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  Speaker 1: her astrological sign as well? Pretty ironic.
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  Speaker 2: 8.54 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: On May 5th, 2019, there was a search for Malachite
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  Speaker 1: eBay Malachite jewelry. Chad and Lori purchased Malachite wedding rings. 8.55 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The Chad email account also searched for Hiplos on June 21st, 2019.
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  Speaker 1: On July 9th, 2019, the day Charles was shot and killed,
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  Speaker 1: there was a search for when you surprise someone with accusations.
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  Speaker 1: There was a search on September 8th, 2019 for SSW Wind.
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  Speaker 1: What is the definition of SSW direction? It's believed Tylee
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  Speaker 1: Ryan was killed September 9th. The last search on October 8th,
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  Speaker 1: 2019 was for Rhode Island area code. Heidemann says one
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  Speaker 1: of the phone numbers belonging to Chad had a Rhode
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  Speaker 1: Island area code.
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  Speaker 2: 8.57 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next slideshow searches from lollitimeforever at gmail.com between March 7th,
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  Speaker 1: 2019 and December 14th, 2019. The first search on May 7th,
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  Speaker 1: 2019 was for malachite. There was a search on July 21st,
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  Speaker 1: 2019 for life insurance for children, the grow up plan.
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  Speaker 1: Heidemann says to the best of her knowledge, there was
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  Speaker 1: no life insurance on the children. And honestly, I'm shocked
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  Speaker 1: by that. Considering how Lori Vallow tried to get her
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  Speaker 1: disgusting ass claws into everybody else's money all the time,
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  Speaker 1: I'm shocked that she didn't have an insurance policy on
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  Speaker 1: these kids. 9 a.m. There were a lot of searches
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  Speaker 1: for information on service dogs and selling service dogs on
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  Speaker 1: July 26, 2019. On August 25, 2019, there was a
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  Speaker 1: search for wedding bands made of malachite. There were searches
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  Speaker 1: for Kennedy Elementary, the school JJ attended in Rexburg, on
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  Speaker 1: September 20th and 24th of 2019, 9.01 a.m. There was
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  Speaker 1: a search on September 30th, 2019, how to get the
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  Speaker 1: backseat of my Jeep Wrangler, Jeep Wrangler JK rear seat removal,
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  Speaker 1: how to DIY YouTube. On October 2nd, 2019, there was
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  Speaker 1: a search for Gilbert, Arizona News, On October 22, 2019,
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  Speaker 1: three days after Tammy Daybell died, there was a search
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  Speaker 1: for wedding dresses, wedding dresses in Kauai. 9.05 a.m. Blake
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  Speaker 1: has no further questions for Heidemann. Pryor will now cross-examine. 9.07 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Heidemann if she's aware Chad is not implicated
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  Speaker 1: in Charles Vallow's death or attempted murder of Brandon Boudreau.
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  Speaker 1: Heidemann says that's correct. 9.08 a.m. Pryor says he notices
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  Speaker 1: there is an FBI agent in the court who has
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  Speaker 1: been there a number of times. He asks Heidemann if
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  Speaker 1: that's her supervisor. She says he is not her direct supervisor.
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  Speaker 1: Heidemann says she has not discussed her testimony in detail
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  Speaker 1: with him. Pryor asks Heidemann if she has spoken with
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  Speaker 1: the FBI agent, if she has spoken with him over
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  Speaker 1: the last week about the testimony in the case. She
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  Speaker 1: says possibly.
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  Speaker 2: 9.12 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Heidemann says says she is not communicating with the agent
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  Speaker 1: in any significant way. Pryor asks Heidemann if she believes J.J.
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  Speaker 1: Vallow was murdered the afternoon of September 22nd up until
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: late morning of September 23rd. Heidemann says yes. Pryor asks
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  Speaker 1: Heidemann if she's aware J.J. was murdered either in an
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  Speaker 1: apartment of Lori Vallow or close proximity. Heidemann says she
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  Speaker 1: isn't sure if we know exactly where he was killed.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the truth. All we know is that he
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  Speaker 1: was killed. And it's my guess, my speculation, that Alex
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  Speaker 1: Cox was the one who actually did the killing. And
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  Speaker 1: I've said that from the very beginning. When all of
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  Speaker 1: this started, when I first started looking at this, and
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  Speaker 1: I first started hearing about their relationship, I knew that
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  Speaker 1: old beaver face was a piece of shit. Anyone who
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  Speaker 1: has Lannister-like feelings for their sister is somebody that is disturbed.
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  Speaker 2: 9.13 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor says Lori Vallow, Alex Cox, Melanie Gibb, and David
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  Speaker 1: Warwick were all around J.J. Vallow on the day that
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  Speaker 1: he died. Pryor says he doesn't see any Google searches
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  Speaker 1: on Gibb or Warwick. Why don't I have any Google
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  Speaker 1: search information on Melanie Gibb or David Warwick? Heidemann says
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't write the search warrants. And that's true. She
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  Speaker 1: just carries them out, right? The investigators and the prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: and the judge, they're the ones who decide what's going
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  Speaker 1: to be in a search warrant. Certainly not the FBI
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  Speaker 1: agent that's doing the raid. They're just there to follow
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  Speaker 1: the search warrant to a T. But I happen to agree.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb, David Warwick, all of these people that were
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  Speaker 1: around them, I've had my suspicions of. And my guess
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  Speaker 1: is they helped out with the investigation and it made
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  Speaker 1: it a lot easier on them. Because if I was
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  Speaker 1: an investigator and these people were all palling around doing
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  Speaker 1: podcasts together and the rest of it, oh, you better
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  Speaker 1: believe I'd have some questions.
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  Speaker 2: 9.15 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Heidemann about Chad and Lori being in a
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  Speaker 1: romantic relationship. He says, the relationship was happening while Charles
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  Speaker 1: and Tammy were both alive. Heidemann says that's correct. Pryor
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  Speaker 1: asks if some of the Google searches could be explained
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  Speaker 1: by the fact that Chad was trying to hide his
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  Speaker 1: affair with Lori. Heidemann says she's unsure she understands. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's looking for other wedding rings because he's trying to
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  Speaker 1: hide his relationship. I don't know about you, but being
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  Speaker 1: a married man and out here talking about I need
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  Speaker 1: to find prices on wedding dresses and wedding rings and
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  Speaker 1: the rest of it, probably not a good look. Especially
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  Speaker 1: if you and your wife haven't been talking about any
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  Speaker 1: of that stuff. 9.17am. Pryor shows the slide of the
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell wedding. At gmail.com searches, Pryor asks Heidemann if
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  Speaker 1: we know for sure Chad did the searches. She says no.
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't know for sure that it was Chad typing
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  Speaker 1: in the searches, but someone with access to his account.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Heidemann if she's aware three to four other
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  Speaker 1: people were living in Chad's house at the time. So
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  Speaker 1: they all had access to his account? They all know
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  Speaker 1: his passwords? I highly doubt that, considering the stories that
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  Speaker 1: Stunad was sending over to Scafusa Highly doubt his children
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  Speaker 1: had the passwords. Then again, who knows? Like I said before,
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  Speaker 1: they give me that whole hills have eyes vibe anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe they're all Lannistering around the neighborhood. What the
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  Speaker 1: hell do I know? 9.19 a.m. Heidemann is not sure
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  Speaker 1: where the searches were done from, a phone or a computer.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks about the search on March 6, 2019, about
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  Speaker 1: Leo and cancer being compatible. 9.21 a.m. Pryor asks if
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  Speaker 1: it's possible Lori... could have been dropping hints about one
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  Speaker 1: day getting married and having a Malachite ring. Heidemann says
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: ultimately they purchased Malachite wedding bands. Pryor asks Heidemann if
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  Speaker 1: she's aware there were discussions between Alex and Zulima about
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: Malachite rings. She isn't sure about that. Well, probably. Alex
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do whatever Lori and Chad were doing, and
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  Speaker 1: since he couldn't have Lori for himself, the sick degenerate bastard,
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be as close as possible.
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  Speaker 2: 9.24 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asking about Ned Snyder, Schneider. Heidemann says Chad regularly
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  Speaker 1: did searches for different people, but the Ned Snyder, Schneider
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  Speaker 1: was directly connected to this case. Pryor says Chad's history
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  Speaker 1: shows there are a lot of inquiries into a lot
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  Speaker 1: of names and topics. Thousands of searches. 9.27 a.m. Pryor
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  Speaker 1: says days after Chad searched for the wind details, he
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  Speaker 1: emailed his wife saying he was going to burn some
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: limbs in the backyard. Pryor now asking about track phones
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  Speaker 1: and how, if you were having an affair, wouldn't it
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  Speaker 1: be logical to buy different phones to hide it from
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  Speaker 1: his wife? Heidemann says it's possible. Well, yeah, there's no
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  Speaker 1: doubt that that's possible.
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  Speaker 2: 100%.
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  Speaker 1: If you're having an affair, getting a burner phone is
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: probably a good idea. Unless your wife catches you with
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: that shit, like Walter White.
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  Speaker 2: 9.30 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor directs Heidemann to look at the lolly time forever slide.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: He asks Heidemann about Lori's children watching their father be killed.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: Pryor says we don't know what JJ or Tylee saw.
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  Speaker 1: The evidence goes both ways. Pryor says one of Tylee's
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: close friends was interviewed and provided information on what Tylee says. 9.34 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor says he didn't see anything where Chad Daybell searched
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  Speaker 1: for life insurance on the kids. Heidemann says he didn't.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if there was any emails that said, let's
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: kill two kids. Heidemann says there were not. Pryor says
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  Speaker 1: Lori searched for life insurance information. Pryor asks about Elena
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  Speaker 1: and Hiplos, and if there are religious meanings. Heidemann says
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily. It got confusing because Chad and Lori called
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  Speaker 1: each other different names. I'm telling you the best names
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  Speaker 1: for these two. Scafusa, Stunad.
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  Speaker 2: 9.36 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor says Chad and Lori have strong religious beliefs, but
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: so do Melanie Gibb, David Warwick, Alex Cox, and Zaluma Pastanis. 1,000%
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: and like I've said a million times and not to
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: beat a dead horse here, all of these weirdos should
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: have been charged with something. 9.37 a.m. Pryor asked about
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: the search on removing the backseat of the Jeep. That
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  Speaker 1: was on Lori's account. Pryor asked if there was any
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: search done by Chad about moving a seat. Heideman says no.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: Pryor clarifies that Chad has not been charged in Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: Heideman says that's correct.
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  Speaker 2: 9.38 a.m.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Heideman if she's aware Lori Vallow was in
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: Hawaii with Audrey Baratiero and Melanie Boudreau on October 22, 2019.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Heideman if she's aware the ladies were looking
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: for wedding dresses on that day. Heideman is unaware of that.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Pryor has no further questions. Blake will now read direct. 9.40 a.m.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Blake asks Heidemann if she is aware Audrey is married.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Heidemann says at the time she was not married. Blake
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: asks about the attempted shooting of Brandon Boudreau and the
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  Speaker 1: death of Charles Vallow. She asks Heidemann if she is
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: still involved in the active investigations regarding those incidents. Heidemann
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: says she is not.
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  Speaker 2: 9.42 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake asks Heidemann if she is aware who designated Charles
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: as Ned. Heidemann says Lori calls Charles Ned, but she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know where the name comes from. The searches for
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Ned were done around the same time Lori was calling
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  Speaker 1: Charles Ned. Blake says Heidemann found any searches in Chad's
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: email regarding divorce or separation. Not that I recall, she responds. 9.43 a.m.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Blake asks about the statement that people having affair changed
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: their phone numbers. She asks Heidemann if people involved in
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: criminal activity also changed phone numbers. Heidemann says yes. Yeah,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: basically any activity that you're up to where you don't
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: want other people to be aware of what you're doing,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: having a burner phone is the way to go. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what good criminals anyway tend to do. 9.44 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake asks Heidemann if she's aware that Melanie Gibb or
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: David Warwick profited from JJ's death. She says no. Blake
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: has no further questions. She's done testifying at this point,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: but will be recalled by the state later in the trial. 9.47 a.m.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Chandler Police Detective Nathan Duncan is the next witness on
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  Speaker 1: the stand. 9.49 a.m. Blake asked Duncan if he was
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: working on July 11th, 2019. She asked if he responded
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: to a report of a shooting. He did. The call
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: came in around 8.36 a.m. He arrived 20 to 30
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: minutes after the original call. 9.51 a.m. Alex Cox made
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the 911 call. He said he shot his brother-in-law, Charles Vallow,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: in self-defense. Before this day, Duncan had never heard of
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Alex or Charles. Duncan was assigned to document the crime scene. 9.52 a.m.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Duncan was assisted by crime scene technicians. Patrol officers gave
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: him a briefing, and the technician then entered the crime
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: scene to take photos. The crime scene in this case
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: was very simple relative to other crime scenes, Duncan says.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: They entered through the front door, and there was a
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: small foyer that opened into a large living room. There
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: was a wood plank floor, no furniture, mirrors on the walls,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: and an open window. It was very sparse, he says. 9.54 a.m.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Charles was lying on the wooden floor next to a
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: baseball bat. By this point, Charles had been pronounced dead.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Duncan said there were reports Alex had done CPR. The
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: fire department had placed pads on his chest to determine
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: whether life-saving measures were needed. Duncan says he noticed a
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: bullet wound in the lower left quadrant of his torso.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: His t-shirt was cut open and AED pads were put
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: on for medical intervention. Duncan did not notice a lot
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: of blood on the floor surrounding the body, which is
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: not consistent with someone who has been given CPR. 9.58 a.m.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Duncan and the crime scene techs did not touch the body.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: The medical examiner arrived and the AED pad was removed.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Another wound was noticed in the center of Charles' chest.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: There were two additional wounds on his back consistent with
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: bullet holes. Blake asks if the wounds in the back
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: and front appeared to be linked. Duncan says they try
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: not to immediately determine that, but Alex mentioned Charles had
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: been shot twice, so they assumed they were entry wounds
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: and exit wounds. 10 a.m. Alex told police he was
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: standing in the southwest corner of the living room, and
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: he and Charles were face-to-face with each other. Alex said
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: he shot Charles twice standing up. As police were clearing
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: up the scene, Duncan said, Noticed an indentation in the
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: floor that would have been consistent with Charles being shot
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: while lying on the ground. 10.03 a.m. Blake asks if
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: any additional blood was located in the home. Duncan says
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: there was. Alex told him he washed his hands in
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the sink so there was some blood on the faucet.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Duncan says the shooting was investigated as a homicide. He
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: was assigned as a lead agent in June of 2020. 10.05 a.m.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Duncan determined Charles' phone was a catalyst of an argument
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that happened between him and Lori the day of the shooting.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Shortly after the shooting, Lori left the house with Charles' phone.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: She returned the phone to police and they did an
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: extraction on the device. 10.07 a.m. Blake moves to admit
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: a PowerPoint exhibit prepared by Duncan. 10.09 a.m. Voice calls
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: for a morning recess. We will be back in 30
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: minutes with the PowerPoint. So we're going to wrap up
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: right here too, like usual. And in the next episode,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: we'll pick up with the next portion and see what transpires.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: all of the information that goes with this episode can
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box what's up everyone and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program in this episode we're going
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off during day number
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: four of chad daybell's trial The article that we're using
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: is from EastIdahoNews.com, and the author of this article is
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Nate Eaton.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: 10.40 a.m.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: We are back in the courtroom. Attorneys at their tables
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and voices on the bench. Jurors are being brought in. 10.43 a.m.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Blake shows a slide on the screen that says Charles
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Vallow cell phone extraction data. Duncan reads an email, purportedly
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: from Charles to Chad, inviting him to visit Arizona to
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: help him write a book. 10.44 a.m. The email says
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Charles will pay Chad well to be his ghostwriter. He
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: asked Chad to come visit him for a few days
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: to talk about the book project and the publishing business. 10.45 a.m.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Duncan says this was the document that Charles said he
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: found on Lori's computer. This was the first letter where
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: he suspected Lori was having an affair with Chad. All
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: indications in Charles' phone is the letter was fictitious and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: not created by him, Duncan says. So she creates this
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: whole entire letter, right? Purportedly from Charles Vallow that says
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: he wants to have Chad Daybell as a ghostwriter on
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: a project he's working on. The only problem is, none
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: of that ever happened. And Charles Vallow had no project
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that he was trying to get Dumbass Do Not involved in.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It was all just more of a cover from Lori
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Vallow in pursuit of her carnal desires. and her desire
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: to have more money. And as we saw during her trial,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: there's no length that she wasn't willing to go. 10.46 a.m.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Blake asked Duncan if he's aware of other investigations as
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: he was working on Charles' case. He says he was
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: aware of Tammy's death, the attempted shooting of Brandon Boudreaux,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and the missing kids. 10.47 a.m. Blake asked Duncan if
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Lori had brothers named Alex and Adam. Duncan says she did.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: He says Adam was never a suspect in the investigation,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: but Alex was. The next slide shows messages between Charles
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and Lori. Charles confronts Lori about the affair in the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: text and calls Lori evil. Yeah, I would say she
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: fits that description, huh? Everything that we learned about her
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: at her trial literally is vomit-inducing. The way she carried herself,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the way she conducted herself, and the grand finale, of course,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: her killing her children. 10.49am. Charles tells Lori in another
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: text that he has Tammy Daybell's email address and he
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: will email her. He tells Lori he better explain. Charles
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: sends another text saying he has Tammy's cell and Lori
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: has until noon to explain or he will email and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: text Tammy. Wait a minute, I thought that Chad Daybell
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and Lori Vallow had magical powers that were granted to
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: them by the angels and by God himself. Why don't
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: they just, you know, whip up a little spell here
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and make everything go away? Oh, that's right. All that
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: nonsensical bullshit they were talking about is exactly that. Nonsensical bullshit. 10.50 a.m.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Blake asked Duncan if he learned Charles tried to make
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: contact with Tammy. He says Charles did send emails to Tammy,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: but there is no indication she looked at the emails
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: or received them. We now see more messages from Charles
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to Lori. He tells Lori he has emailed Tammy and
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: their game is up. He later texts, please stop spending
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: money on their credit cards. I appreciate it. 10.52 a.m.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Duncan says there is no evidence Charles tried to visit
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Tammy in person. We now see an email. Charles sent
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Tammy's work email on June 29th, 2019. Charles says he
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: has some vital and disturbing information about her husband and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: his wife. I apologize to be the one sending this,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: but something has to be done. I feel it's best
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: if I shed some light on this issue, he wrote.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: So he found out what was going on. He clues
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Tammy in. by sending her this email to her work
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: email address, and from there, everything snowballs. Once Lori Vallow
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: understands that Charles knows, it becomes very important that Charles
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: gets taken out of the equation, and that's where beaver
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: face Alex Cox comes in. He steps up to the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: plate and does what his sister wants him to do
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: once again, and this time.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: It's kill Charles Vallow. 10.55 a.m.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Duncan now reads an email Charles sent to Chad. He
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: confronts Chad about the fake email, about Charles wanting to
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: write a book and come visit. Either you or Lori
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: need to tell me what's going on, or this will
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: be exposed for all to see. Regards, Charles Vallow, he wrote.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Then he adds, and does your wife know you have
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: several of Lori's dance videos? She sent them to you
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: at your request in January. Explain how that is in
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: any way appropriate. And can you blame the guy? You
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: find out that your wife's out here emailing some dude
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: dance videos, all sorts of crazy shit. Of course, you're
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: going to confront them both if you find out, right?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And that's what Charles Vallow was doing. And he even
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: went to the police. And when all was said and done,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow ended up dead. 10.56 a.m. The next slide
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: is a message from Charles to Lori on June 3rd, 2019.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: He confronts Lori about the affair and says, There really
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: is something wrong with you. You have to be exposed
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: for what you are, he says. He tells her lying
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: has become her second nature, to her, and he has
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: blamed her for everything. 10.58 a.m. Duncan was not aware
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: of any divorce proceedings between Charles and Lori around this time,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: but there was an indication they had separated and were
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: living in different locations. The next slide shows more messages
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: found on Charles' devices. These are text messages between Charles
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and Lori. He tells Lori he's going to Idaho. to
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: meet with Tammy. Lori says Tammy won't listen to him
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: as she is her friend. Imagine having that much cognitive dissonance.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Somebody shows up and says, look, your husband is bagging
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: my wife and they're hanging out at these weird ass
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: conferences and then shows you evidence and you still don't
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: believe them. I wish I had that kind of faith
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: in people because friend or not, somebody shows up with
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: those kinds of text messages and and talking about dance
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: videos and shit, you're gonna have some explaining to do
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: when I get home from work, you better believe it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: 11 a.m. There is back and forth between Charles and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Lori about the fake letter found on Charles' phone. The
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: next slide shows messages between Charles and Adam Cox around 7.30 a.m.,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the day Charles was shot. The messages show they were
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: both concerned as Alex was at Lori's house. 11.02 a.m.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: After this text exchange, communication ceased on Charles' phone. He
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: was shot and killed right after these messages were sent. 11.04 a.m.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Duncan says he reviewed Lori's iCloud accounts, Lori for Style,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and Lollitime. There was a significant amount of information in
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: those accounts. Duncan has an exhibit that caught his attention
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: about what was in her account. Blake asked to admit
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the exhibit. And these exhibits and PowerPoints are very powerful
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: when it comes to evidence for the prosecution. And having
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: these exhibits displayed in court really slams home a lot
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: of these points that the prosecutors are trying to make.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: 11.07 a.m.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Boyce says the PowerPoint can be admitted. The presentation shows
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: what was found on the Lori for Style account and
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the phone numbers associated with her. The first slide shows
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: messages between Lori and Alex in March 2019 about Ned
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: being gone. Alex messages Lori about getting rid of Ned
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and Ned still being alive. Laurie responds at one point
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: saying it's not Ned and it's a new one. 11.12 a.m.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Duncan says through his investigation, Charles was designated as Garrett
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and Hiplos. He says the phrase it's a new one
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: refers to a dark spirit that had entered his body.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Dark spirit. All this nonsense they were cooking up, all
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: this BS they were talking about was nothing more then
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: cover for them to do what they wanted to do
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: so they could be together. And if that meant killing
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow's children and Chad Daybell's wife, so be it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: They're going to do whatever they have to do to
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: make sure that they could be together and they had
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: all the money that they could possibly get their grubby
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: ass hands on. 11.13 a.m. Duncan reads a message from
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a lady named Nicole to Lori on October 19th, 2019,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: saying Chad's wife had died. Lori says, oh my gosh,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I'm in Hawaii. The lady asks Lori what happened and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Lori says, Tammy woke up in the night coughing, threw up, collapsed,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and passed away. Yeah, I'm sure that all of that
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: was natural. She was just stricken overnight with a bout
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: of Marburg and passed away because of it. 11.14 a.m.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: We now see a message from Melanie Gibb to Lori
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: on the same day saying, I heard what happened to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Chad's wife. Oh my gosh. Lori responded, Hello, what? 11.15 a.m.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: The message indicates that Lori was unaware Tammy had passed away,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: even though she had communicated with Nicole earlier in the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: day about the death. We now see a text from
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: November 22, 2019, from Lori to Colby Ryan, her son.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I text Ty to send it, but I haven't heard
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: back yet. She will probably just do it before she
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: tells me. Hope you got the Venmo. Ty said she
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: sent it late. I'll call you when I get a break.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Tylee had been dead for over two months at this point.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So Lori Vallow's talking to her son Colby and making
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: pretend Tylee was going to send him a little bit
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: of dough. Imagine how evil you have to be to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: keep up this whole entire charade. 11.17 a.m. We now
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: see a slideshow showing lolly time at iCloud.com. It was
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: created on July 1st, 2019. And the next slideshow shows
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: a text from Lori to Alex on July 9th, 2019.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: So the plot thickens. Call me when you can. On
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: July 9th, 2019, she sends another message to Alex. about
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: how he needs to stay close to him, and they
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: are planning some kind of intervention. Thank you for standing
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: by me. It's all coming to a head this week.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I will be like Nephi, I am told, and so
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: will you. Nephi, another one of their, you know, people
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: from their crazy religious nonsense. They had all of these
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: different angels and spirits and yada yada yada that they
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: would use and say were part of whatever sort of
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: prophecy they were having. or that so-and-so angel showed up
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and gave them a message. And people actually believe this shit.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine buying this shit hook, line, and sinker
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and thinking that Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow are some
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: sort of prophet? It always amazes me when people are
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: so gullible that they'll believe this sort of BS. 1120 AM.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: These messages were sent two days before Charles died. Charles
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and Adam were planning an intervention... based on the disturbing
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: things Lori was doing and saying. 11.20 a.m. The next
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: slide shows there were messages between Chad and Lori the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: morning of July 11th, the day of Charles' death, but
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: there is no content of what the actual texts were.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: There's a record they occurred, but we don't know what
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: they said. One is sent at 6.12 a.m., another at 7.01 a.m.,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: another at 7.33 a.m. Charles arrived at the home that
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: morning around 7.30 a.m. based on location data on his phone. 11.22 a.m.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: We now see text messages between Lori and Chad on
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: July 18th, 2019. Lori sent Chad a message saying she
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: got a letter from the insurance company saying she is
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: not the beneficiary. It's a spear through my heart. Who
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: do you think he changed it to? Brandon or probably Kay?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Chad responds. Wow, that's terrible. There is no way to
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: find out. Lori to Chad.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: They go back and forth with Chad saying, I love you.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: This is terrible.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: But it's probably another step in bringing down the Gadiantans,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: especially Brandon. 11.24 a.m. Chad writes, it will be interesting
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: if it got changed after he had two bullets in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: his chest. As Duncan is reading these messages, Chad Daybell
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: stares up at the screen and does not show much
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of a reaction.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: 11.25 a.m.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: At the time Charles was killed, Lori believed she was
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: getting insurance money. The next message was sent from Lori
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: to Chad on July 18th, 2019. So I talked to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the insurance company. He changed it in March. So it
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: was probably Ned before we got rid of him. They
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: can't tell me who, of course, but it's done. I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: still get the 4Gs a month from Social Security.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: 11.26am.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: We now see a message from Chad to Lori on
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: July 26th, 2019. It's the Harry Potter text. Tonight, I
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: figured out who I feel like. I'm a grown-up version
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: of Harry Potter, who has to live with the Dudleys
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: in his little space under the stairs. Every few weeks,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I get to escape and have an amazing adventure with
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: my goddess lover, but then I have to return to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: my place under the stairs, feeling trapped. But I sense
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: permanent freedom is coming. 1128 AM We now see a
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: text that Alex sent to Lori on September 3rd, 2019.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Alex to Lori.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Network name is Auntie Layman. PW is TooManyKids. Lori to Alex, funny.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: The last known sighting of Ty Lee, around September 8th.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: And the last known sighting of JJ, oh, around September 22nd.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And the password to that is TooManyKids?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Again, I hope that Alex Cox is burning in the lowest,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: deepest depth of hell, if hell does exist. And hopefully
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybells is bunkmate real soon. 11.30 a.m. Blake asked
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Duncan if he reviewed content from Zulima Pastina's phone. He did.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Zulima was married to Alex. Duncan said there was a
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: large amount of content on her phone. Blake asked to
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: admit an exhibit showing the content of Zulima's phone.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: 11.33 a.m.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Duncan reads messages between Zulima and Lori. Lori messaged Zulima
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: on May 22, 2019 about Hiplos being a level 4.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Lori sends another message about going to the truck and
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: hovering over it. More messages. Zulema says she was given
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: instructions to rip, tar, or burn the aura of Hiplos
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to let the body energy out. Chad sends a message
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to Zulema saying Mother Earth is grateful for Lori and Zulema.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: He offers to give Zulema a blessing on July 11th
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: after saying it's crazy about Charles, but such a relief.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And this is what I mean about Zulema and the
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: rest of them. They're all out here engaging in seances
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and all kinds of wild bullshit, don't tell me you
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: don't know what the deal was, and don't tell me
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: that you didn't know that Lori and Chad were up
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: to no good. 11.36 a.m. Duncan says he never saw
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: indications of grief about the loss of Charles in any
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of the phone messages that he observed.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: 11.38 a.m.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: We now see an email sent on April 21st, 2019,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: if reportedly from Karen at Aval. The letter is inviting
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Chad to come and speak at a youth conference in
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Houston about the temple. The lady says 400 kids will
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: be attending, and she wants him to come speak about
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: his book. Is there any chance you could come? A
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: high councilman is currently the main speaker, but he says
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: he would be happy to let you speak in his place.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: The letter offers Chad a flight and a place to stay.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Imagine having Chad Daybell come out and be your light
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: keystone speaker. oh yeah, let's have this fucking moron come
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: out and talk to the children of tomorrow. And furthermore,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you're not going to tell me that there's not more
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: psychopaths going to these conferences and talking about this nonsense.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: There most certainly are. 11.40 a.m. The email came from
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: KK Walker Yahoo account, which was linked to Lori. The
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: email was sent from the area of Katy, Texas, where
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Lori was staying at the time. So Lori writes the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: whole letter, saying that Chad's going to come to this conference,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: they want him to speak, but really, in reality, it
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: was no such conference. And it was all just a
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: ruse to get them together. 11.41 a.m. Chad responded to
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the email, saying he would be able to come and
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: to let the wards know. Duncan does not know whether
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Chad went to Texas. 11.42 a.m. Blake asked if Duncan
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: was contacted about a call made to a mortuary in Arizona.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: It was the Valley of Sun Mortuary. Blake asks to
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: admit the phone call made from Chad to the mortuary. 11.45 a.m.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Blake plays the call. Chad says he just had a
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: death in the family and they don't want anything out,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: but they want a cremation. He says they want to
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: send the remains to the family in Louisiana. He asks
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: for a simple cremation and asks the price. The operator
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: asks for the caller's name. He says Chad Daybell. Daybell
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: is how he spells his last name. D-A-B-E-L. The lady
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: asks how he was related to the person who died.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: He says he's his nephew and lives in Iowa. She
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: asks for the name of the uncle. He says John
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Myron Dable. D-A-B-E-L. 11.47 a.m. The lady asks for Chad's number.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: He says he doesn't know and he needs to look.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: The operator asks if he passed away in a nursing home, hospital,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: or residence. Chad says he died in a hospital but
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't know the details. The lady asks what city in Louisiana.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Chad says New Orleans. The call is then transferred to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the director.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: 11.49 a.m.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: The call continues with the funeral director. Chad says he's
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: just starting the process of helping the family with the
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: cremation and needs a price. The lady tells him cremations
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: are $ 1, 695 and it includes transportation to the crematory and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: other fees. 11.51 a.m. The total price is close to $ 2, 000
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: with all the fees. Chad says he's going to call
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: one or two other funeral homes, and the call ends. 11.52 a.m.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Attorneys are having a sidebar with the judge in Chambers. 11.54 a.m.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Boyce dismisses jurors for lunch, but we will now have
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a motion hearing before the public goes to lunch. 11.56 a.m.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Boyce says a motion in Lamine was filed yesterday by prosecutors.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: It says John Pryor plans to call Rob Wood. As
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: a witness in the state is opposed, the hearing will
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: happen after the lunch break. Right now, the hearing to
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: determine whether the hearing after lunch will be sealed and
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: closed to the public. 1158 a.m. Blake argues that the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: motion should be sealed as there are concerns. All right,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: we're going to take our break here. And then when
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: we come back, we'll pick up with the rest of
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the day's proceedings and what went down after lunch. All
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: of the information that goes with this episode can be
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: found in the description box. What's up everyone and welcome
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: back to the program. In this episode, we're going to
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: finish off day four of the testimony during Chad Daybell's trial.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Once again, we'll be using an article published by the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: East Idaho News and the author of that article is
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Nate Eaton. 1.11 p.m. Boyce is on the bench. Blake
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: begins by saying a discovery request was given to prosecutors
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: from the defense. She says she has concerns the defense
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: may make Rob Wood a witness in relation to Melanie Gibb. 1.15 p.m.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Blake says they don't want to get through the case
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and have it be an issue if Pryor plans to
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: call Wood. Blake says if the court has concerns, a
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: hearing could be held to determine whether whether or not
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: any prospective testimony would be relevant to the case. Blake
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: says a defense attorney can call a prosecutor in a case,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: but it's disfavored and should be disclosed well in advance
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: of the trial. And that's a good idea, right? Make
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: sure everybody has their ducks in a row and make
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: sure that the prosecution isn't going to call somebody whose
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: testimony is quote-unquote tainted. So it's a great idea to
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: make sure you disclose this well in advance, and a
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: lot of times if you don't, a judge is going
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: to say no and not rule in your favor.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: 1.17 p.m.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Blake says it is very, very rare for courts to
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: find that a prosecutor should be a witness. In the
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: cases they found, it involved prosecutors being a witness to
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: the actual facts or they are a witness to a
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: statement that contradicts a later statement and they are the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: only available witness to that statement. 1.19 p.m. Blake asks
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Boyce to exclude Wood as a witness, and if the
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: court has additional concerns, asks that a hearing be held.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: 1.20 p.m.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Boyce asks Blake if she is seeking a specific court
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: ruling prohibiting certain types of cross-examination. Blake responds that if
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: the defense is allowed unfiltered cross, should Wood not be
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: allowed as a witness.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: It could cause problems.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: 1.22 p.m. Pryor says prosecutors provided him with notice of
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: their motion on Sunday around 11 p.m. Pryor says he's
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: concerned the state is suggesting they can dictate where he
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: can go on cross-examination. They're trying to handcuff me from
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: going to areas that may find a little sensitive to
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: their case, he says. So he's inferring that the reason
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that they don't want this to go down is because
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: it might touch a nerve and change the narrative into
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell's favor. 1.23 p.m. Pryor says he has no
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: desire to put Wood on the stand. Boyce clarifies that
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: he does not intend to call Wood. Pryor says he
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: does not intend to call him. Pryor says that the
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: state gave him 342 emails and texts between Wood and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb regarding the case. Pryor says the state is
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: trying to circumvent Idaho Code regarding witnesses and devices. He
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: says the prosecuting attorney engages in discussion with the witness
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: over 8 months, and 340 texts, it can create concerns. Well,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: unless they're building a case and they flip that person.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: And my guess is Melanie Gibb has given them plenty
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: of information, because there's a lot there as far as
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb's concerned, where she probably could have been charged.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe not with murder or anything like that, but other
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: charges for sure. 1.29 p.m. Pryor says there is one
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: defense attorney and four prosecuting attorneys He says he gave
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: them notice three weeks ago of all of his exhibits
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and they are filing a last-minute hearing to keep an
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: exhibit out. Pryor says he doesn't appreciate their tactics. 1.30 p.m.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Pryor reaffirms he does not intend on calling Wood. He
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: says when Melanie Gibb is called, he is going to
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: question her about her contact he has had with Wood
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: and the nature of those discussions. I have copies of
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: all the emails and I can question her. And that's
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: what cross-examination's for, right? If you want to question Melanie
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Gibb about her involvement or not being involved or whatever,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the time to do it is when she's on the stand.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: 1.31 p.m.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Prior says if Gibb remembers her conversations with Wood, he
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't need to admit the messages. If she doesn't, he
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: can admit the messages to refresh her memory. Boyce reminds
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Prior that a subpoena for Wood was quashed before the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: trial began. 1.33 p.m. Boyce asks for additional argument from
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: the state about the exhibit, the communication between Wood and Gibb.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Blake says the state is not trying to stop the
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: defense from conducting appropriate cross-examination. She says the concerns are
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: about any attempt from the defense to misconstrue the content
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of testimony. 1.35 p.m. Blake says if proper foundation is laid,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: witnesses can be asked about the messages. Pryor says Idaho Code...
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: allows him to ask witnesses about their communication with the
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: prosecuting attorney. 1.37 p.m. Pryor says Gibb is the witness
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in the case and her testimony is crucial in the
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: state trying to prove its case. He says he's allowed
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: to ask her about communication between her and Wood. 1.38 p.m.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Pryor again says he does not intend to call Mr.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Wood and he isn't planning a scheme to call him.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: It sounds a little paranoid to me, he says. So
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: this is a real point of contention for the prosecution,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: and Judge Boyce has already stated that he's not going
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: to call Mr.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Wood.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: So any sort of messing around here from Pryor is
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: probably going to be frowned upon by Judge Boyce.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: 1.40 p.m.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Boyce explains some evidence can be excluded if it's inflammatory,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and it's up to the court to determine the relevance
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: to the case. Boyce says he has not gone through
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the messages between Wood and Gibb. He says without knowing
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: what is in them, he can't make a ruling completely
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: eliminating it. He says the whole might or might not
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: be relevant. He can't say until Gibb testifies. So that's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: still up in the air. We don't know one way
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: or the other what's going to happen there. But what
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: we do know is that Mr. Wood is not going
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: to be testifying as far as being called as a
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: witness by Mr. Pryor.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: 1.42 p.m.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Boyce is denying the motion to exclude the exhibit, but
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: says he will be watching carefully if there is any
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: relevance to the testimony of Gibb. He says attorneys are
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: entitled to talk with witnesses and get ready for trial,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: not to change their testimony or not tell the truth,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: but help them. 1.43 p.m. Boyce says the court has
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: already ruled that Wood will not be called. Absent some
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: really surprising development, Boyce says Wood will not be called
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: as a witness. So that's the end of that. Unless
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: we have some sort of monumental movement, don't expect Mr.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Wood to be called as a witness. 1.45 p.m. The
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: motion hearing is over. Jurors will now be brought in. 1.48 p.m.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Jurors have taken their seats. Detective Nathan Duncan will be
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: back on the stand this afternoon. We will be in
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: session until 3.30 with no afternoon break. 1.50 p.m. Blake
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: references the calls he made to the funeral home. She
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: asked Duncan if she recognized the voice on the call.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: He says yes, Chad Daybell. Duncan says on the call,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Chad said he intended to send the cremains to Louisiana.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Duncan never found any indication Chad was in Iowa, even
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: though he said he was on the phone call. 1.51 p.m.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Blake references a patriarchal blessing that was found on Lori's iCloud.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Patriarchal blessings are used in the Church of Jesus Christ
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: of Latter-day Saints. Duncan says he has some basic knowledge
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: of the LDS church and a stake patriarch is authorized
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: to give a patriarchal blessing. Chad was not authorized to
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: give the blessings. Well, you know what? Maybe I should
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: just start my own church and we'll call it the
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Church of the Inflamed Foot. And if you want a blessing,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: you can come over and get one. That's about how
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: meaningful the blessing from Chad Daybell was, right? Bro's not
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: out here as any sort of real representation of any
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: real religion. Instead, like countless other charlatans before him, he
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: uses religion to get what he wants. And that was
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: the theme throughout this whole thing with him and Lori Vallow.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: The whole entire, oh, God's telling us to do this,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: these are demons, light and dark, yada yada yada. That
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: whole entire story was crafted to manipulate people. That's all
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: it is. And this kind of charlatan was old when
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Moses was young. People like Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: have been using religion to justify all kinds of evil
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: shit for a very long time. 1.53 p.m. Blake moves
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to admit a recording of the blessing. Chad gave this
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: blessing to Alex Cox. 1.54 p.m. Chad gives the blessing
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: to Alex and says he's part of the Church of
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the Firstborn. Chad says Jesus Christ has authorized this blessing.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: As the blessing is playing in court, Chad is looking
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: at the blue screen above the witness stand and looks down.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, huh? So with all of the issues in
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: the universe, never mind on earth, Jesus Christ was busy
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: coming down and giving Chad Daybell blessings and having conversations
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: with him. Like how stupid do you have to be
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to believe some shit like this? Imagine one of your
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: homies showing up and giving you this line of BS.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, I was hanging out and Jesus
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: showed up and he was like, hey, here's what we're
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: gonna do. I mean, for real, unless you dudes are
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: sitting around eating a bag of mushrooms, that person's batshit crazy.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: 1.56 p.m.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Chad says he wants to open the portals of time
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and sees Alex on the third creation, being a warrior,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: always seeking to do what is right. Yeah, killing children,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: that's right, huh? According to Chad Daybell's bitch ass it is.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Chad says Alex was selected by the savior himself to
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: be part of the fourth creation. He says great warriors
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and powerful goddesses were needed. You were selected to help
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: protect your sister. You helped her in numerous probations to
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: be a defender. Oh yeah, that's exactly what went down
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Jesus was sitting around and he said, you know what?
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I think Alex Beaverface Cox is my kind of guy. 1.58 p.m.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Chad tells Alex he had already assisted him and Lori
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: in ways you can never be repaid. 1.59 p.m. The
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: jurors are listening intently as Chad tells Alex he had
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: to go to great depths to achieve tremendous heights. 2 p.m.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Chad says the Savior is saying to him, to Alex,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: well done. Thy soul is cleansed.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: All is well.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Chad blesses Alex with the knowledge he will now move
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: forward as a true warrior in ways that can be
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: demonstrated through physical action and spiritual power. 2.01pm Chad tells
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Alex that he will be known throughout the world for
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: his good heartedness and willingness to save souls all over
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the world through portals. You will begin to gather the
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: souls who come until Christ. I see you in New Jerusalem,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: but more importantly, I see you as a messenger of
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: the Lord, Chad says. 2.02 p.m. Chad begins to cry
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: and says Alex will be a prophet and shares his
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: own experiences of overcoming adversity. Chad says Alex will give
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: tremendous blessings to people and raise their vibrations. Oh yeah,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: tremendous blessings to people, huh? Unless you're those two little kids.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: 2.03 p.m.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Chad tells Alex he will know where to be before
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: natural disasters happen. He will be on location to protect
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: church leaders and save little children from floodwaters. Chad is
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: crying and sniffling. He says Alex will literally glow. What
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: an absolute clown. Oh, Alex, you're going to be there
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: when natural disasters happen and you're going to save the children. Meanwhile,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: this dude's murdering children literally as we speak.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: 2.05 p.m.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Chad says as the second coming approaches, Alex will know
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: when it's time to move to the other side. His
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: spirit will leave his body and he will be welcomed
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: by the Savior. Alex died less than a month after
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: this blessing on December 12, 2019. Oh, he was welcomed,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: but not by the Savior he was thinking. More like
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: a Savior with some horns. Some goat's legs. 2.08pm. Chad
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: blesses Alex with protection and says nine angels are now
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: assigned to him from all sides because of his faithfulness.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: I know you will stay faithful. You have a great
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: mission and protection, Chad says. All of this was to
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: make sure that Chad and Lori weren't ratted on by
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox. This was all part of the manipulation. And
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: this is showing just how deep Chad was in the conspiracy.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: And for those of you who have followed conspiracy cases before,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: you understand just how deep the jeopardy is for Chad
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Daybell here with the conspiracy charge. You know how many
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: people are rotting in prison as we speak who were
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: never even on the phone call with their so-called conspirator
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and they ended up being charged anyway? Chad tells Alex
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: he will have protection from Satan and says he will
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: rise to an eternal glory with an eternal family and
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the blessing is over. More like Hitler's treatment by Satan
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: in the movie Little Nicky. That's what Alex Cox has
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: coming to him down in hell. There's no protection from
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Satan if there is such thing as Satan. Alex Cox
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: is a resident and a guest of him. Blake asked
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: the detectives if he heard the voices of Lori Vallow
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: on the recording. He says he did. Duncan says a
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: lot stood out to him in The Blessing. The date
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: was November 24th, 2019. Duncan says the Church of the
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Firstborn stood out to him and the statement, Chad said Alex,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: has already helped him. 2.12 p.m. Blake asked Duncan if
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the Church of the Firstborn is affiliated with the LDS Church.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: He says they are not affiliated. Blake asked Duncan when
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox died. He says December 2019. Blake asked about
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: the statement. Chat said about Alex knowing when it is
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: time to move to the other side. 2.14 p.m. Blake
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: has no further questions for Duncan. Pryor will now cross-examine. 2.15 p.m.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Duncan says he was born in the LDS faith. Pryor
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: says he doesn't have that background. He asked Duncan about
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: the doctrine and the covenants. Pryor says the church of
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: the firstborn is discussed in the doctrine and the covenants.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: 2.16 p.m.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Pryor asked Zulema. saying light and dark. Duncan is unfamiliar
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: with that term. Pryor asks about death percentages and vibrations.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Duncan says he has never heard about that in the
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: LDS faith. Pryor asks about removing evil spirits from bodies,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: and if the LDS faith, you can pray to have
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: possessed spirits removed. Duncan is unfamiliar with that. Yeah, you
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: have to go see your homies over in the Catholic
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Church for all of that. 2.18 p.m. Pryor brings up
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: the information found on Lori's iCloud. He says it wasn't
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: unusual for Chad and Lori to communicate with each other
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: because they were having an affair. Pryor asks Duncan if
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: he knows the prosecutor in Maricopa County. Duncan says he
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: knows many prosecutors. 2.19 p.m. Pryor asks about the statement
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: the Arizona prosecutor issued about the decision not to charge
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell in connection to Charles Vallow's death.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: 2.21 p.m.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if it's unusual for a prosecutor to tell
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: witnesses how to testify. Duncan says there is witness preparation
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: in cases, and it's not highly unusual. 223. Pryor asks
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: to approach. Attorneys are having a sidebar with the judge.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: 224 p.m. Pryor is back questioning Duncan. Duncan says in
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Maricopa County, they submit their recommended charges to the prosecutor.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: The prosecutor then decides whether to pursue charges or not. 2.27 p.m.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Pryor asked Duncan if he received a copy of the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: prosecutor's statement on whether or not to charge Chad Daybell
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: in connection to Charles Vallow's case. Duncan remembers getting the report.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Pryor asked Duncan to review the document and asked the
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: reason the prosecutor did not charge Chad. He says there
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: is no reasonable likelihood of a conviction. so there wasn't
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: enough there. Doesn't mean they think he's innocent, but they
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: can't prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Chad was involved
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  Speaker 1: with what happened to Charles Vallow. 2.29 p.m. Duncan says
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: right now, Chad is not being charged, but there is
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: no statute of limitations for homicide in Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: 2.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor says, this is an unusual case because there's a
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: lot of talk about religion. Duncan says, I agree. Pryor
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: asks Duncan if Chad was reading off something during the blessing.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Duncan says he's not sure. Pryor asks Duncan if he
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: knows what Chad did for his job. He was an author.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Pryor says it sounds like Chad was writing a book
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: during the blessing. Oh, so it was just a book.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: He didn't mean any of that. All of this is
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: just make-believe. 2.33 p.m. Duncan says he left the LDS
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: faith to practice another religion when he was 18. Pryor
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: says he's not trying to disparage the LDS church. 2.35 p.m.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Pryor circles back to the patriarchal prayer and asks if
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: it's a crime in Maricopa County to give a blessing.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Duncan says no. Pryor says because you give someone a prayer,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: it doesn't insinuate they committed a crime. Duncan says that's correct. Well, yeah,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: that's true, but when you look at all of the
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: other factors, it all starts to add up. and you
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: have to look at the evidence in its totality and
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: not piecemeal. 2.36 p.m. Prior asks Duncan who Zalima Pastanis is.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Duncan says she was married to Alex Cox and was
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: a friend of Lori Vallow. Prior asks Duncan if the
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: relationship between Lori and Cox was close. He agrees. Prior
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: says oddly close. Duncan says he doesn't know much about
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: the intimacy between the two and he's heard it described
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: as such, but he doesn't know personally. Yeah, some Lannister
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: type shit. 1,000%. I'm convinced of that. 2.37pm. Pryor asks
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  Speaker 1: about the day Charles was shot. Duncan says on the
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: day of the shooting, Alex, Lori, Tylee, and JJ were
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: all present at her home. Alex told police there was
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: an argument between Charles and Lori over his phone. An
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: argument continued. Tylee came out of the bedroom with a bat.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Alex says he was hit in the head with a
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: bat and Lori left the house with Tylee and JJ.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure all of that happened. What a
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: bunch of BS, man. And it's convenient, isn't it, for
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow and for everybody involved that Tylee happens to
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: be dead. 2.40 p.m. Lori went outside with the kids
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: and then Alex shot Charles. Duncan says two days before
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: the shooting, he uncovered messages between Lori and Melanie Boudreau.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Lori sent a message to Melanie saying she needed five
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: minutes to try and figure out what to do. 2.44 p.m.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Pryor circles back to the funeral home. Pryor asks when
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: the call was made. It was made the night Charles died.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Pryor says Lori and Chad were having an affair at
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: the time. Pryor asks if the phone call means Chad
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: was connected to the death of Charles Vallow, Duncan says no. 2.46 p.m.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if Duncan was aware the blessing was two
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: weeks before Alex died. Duncan says yes. Pryor says Alex
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Cox died of natural causes and there was no funny business.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Duncan says, that we know of. Pryor asks Duncan if
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: he's aware Alex traveled to Mexico for cheap prescription drugs
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: before he died. Duncan is aware. Pryor has nothing further.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I am telling you, this man died of an opioid overdose.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: 1,000%.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Did they even bother looking for fentanyl back then? Of
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: course they didn't. Who knows what he was getting down
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: in Mexico? 2.48pm. Blake has some follow-up. She asks if
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Duncan was involved in investigating Alex Cog's death. He was not.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if Duncan is aware of what drugs Alex
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: bought in Mexico. Dunk doesn't know. Blake says on November 24th,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Chad spoke to Alex about crossing over and his time
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: being done. On December 12th, Alex dies. 2.50 p.m. Duncan
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: revisits the text between Melanie and Lori where Lori said
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: giving me five minutes as she was trying to figure
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: out what to do. Duncan says at the time Lori
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: was talking to Chad. Blake asks if he thinks Alex
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Cox killed Charles. He says he did. Blake asks if
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Duncan believes Alex acted alone. Duncan believes he did not. 2.52 p.m.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Blake has no further questions. Pryor asks for more time
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: with the witness. Blake objects. Boyce says as long as
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: it stays within the scope, he will permit it. 2.53 p.m.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if Duncan knows everything about Chad, Lori, and Alex.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Duncan says he does not. The evidence in this case
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: is large. Pryor has nothing further.
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  Speaker 2: 2.54 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: State and Defense do not intend to call Detective Duncan again.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: He's free to go. 2.55 p.m. Next witness is Social
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Security Special Agent Mark Sari. 2.57 p.m. Rob Wood is
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: questioning Sari. Sari says his investigation and his investigators investigate
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: fraud and abuse in the Social Security office. 2.58 p.m.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Sari says in January 2020, the FBI contacted his office
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: to determine the whereabouts of J.J. and Tylee and to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: find out if fraud was involved. Sari met with law
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: enforcement and the FBI. 2.59 p.m. Tylee received $ 1, 859 a
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: month because of her father, Joseph Ryan, died in 2018.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow received the payments because Tylee was a minor.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Sari says her social security benefits went to a JPMorgan
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Chase account. Lori was also on the account. Sari says
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: the bank account changed to a BBVA account on or
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: about August 20th, 2019. 3.01 p.m. Wood asked to admit
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: a notice sent to Lori Vallow notifying her of the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: bank change. The letter was sent on August 27th, 2019. 3.02 p.m.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Tylee Ryan stopped receiving benefits in January 2020 due to
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: the fact that she could not be located.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: 3.03 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: J.J. Vallow started receiving $ 1, 951 a month in September 2019
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: due to the death of his father. Lori Vallow was
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: the representative receiving the Social Security benefits. The benefits stopped
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: due to his whereabouts being unknown. Lori Vallow received mother, child,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: and care benefits for taking care of J.J. following Charles' death. 3.04 p.m.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Lori received $ 1, 951 a month. In January 2020, the amount
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: was lowered due to debt she had to the U.S. Treasury.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: The benefits then ended due to JJ's whereabouts being unknown. 3.06 p.m.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Wood asks if people are required to notify the S.S.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: administration if they have a change of circumstances. Sari says
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: they are, if they move, if someone dies, gets married, etc. 3.07 p.m.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Wood asked to admit an exhibit and shows it to
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: the jury. It's a copy of the reporting responsibilities given
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: to Lori Vallow when she began receiving payments for J.J. Vallow. 3.08 p.m.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: If a beneficiary dies or moves, S.S. Administration needs to
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: be notified. Wood asks if a person such as Lori
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Vallow remarries, are they required to tell S.S. Administration? Sari
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: says they are. Sari says Lori never reported Tylee and J.J.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: died or were missing. She never reported that JJ and
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Tylee moved from Arizona to Rexburg. She never reported she
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: married Chad Daybell. She never reported she moved to Hawaii.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: 3.10 p.m.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Social Security funds belong to the U.S. Treasury. Wood has
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: no further questions. Pryor will now ask some questions. Again,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: it was all about the money for Vallow. Let's be
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: very clear. She wanted her hands on all of this dough,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: and she was going to do whatever she could to
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: 3.11 p.m.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Pryor says he heard a lot about Lori Vallow. Are
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: any of these documents in regards to Chad Daybell? Sari
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: says no. Daybell is not listed on any of the documents.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Pryor says Chad is not under any obligation to notify
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: anyone in SS administration that he was married to Lori.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Sari says if Chad was aware of she had the
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: responsibility to report it and did not, that could be
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: a problem. 3.12 p.m. Pryor clarifies how much Lori was receiving.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Due to JJ and Tylee.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: 3.14pm.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks when the social security payments end for Tylee.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Sari says in January 2020. The benefits would have stopped
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: automatically when she turned 18.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: 3.15pm.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Pryor adds up how much Lori was receiving a month
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: from SS. It was around $ 5, 700 to $ 5, 800 a month.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: And that wasn't good enough for her. She had to
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: kill to get some more money. Kill her own kids.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Mother of the year over here, folks. More like Scafusa
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: of the century. 3.17 p.m. Pryor has no further questions,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: neither does Wood. The witness will not be recalled. 3.20 p.m.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Boyce says we're going to break for the day, and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: that's going to be a wrap. All right, so that's
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: going to be a wrap for us as well, as
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: day four of Chad Daybell's trial is now in the books.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box.