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Sharri | 20 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show tonight bombshell revelations about how Palestinian
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Speaker 4: visas were issued without any manual checks at all. Security
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Speaker 4: insiders tell me visitor visas have been approved in an
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Speaker 4: automated process, with intelligence agencies later scrambling those exclusive details
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Speaker 4: in a moment.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: Today under pressure over questions around national security. Shadow Immigration
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Speaker 4: Minister Dan Tian will be on the show a bit
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Speaker 4: later and will cross live to the US after the
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Speaker 4: first day of the Democratic National Convention. I'll get Republican
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Speaker 4: US Acting Attorney General Matthew Whittaker's take on the star
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Speaker 4: studded show later on, But first tonight to our exclusive
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Speaker 4: revelation that visas to Palestinians have been approved without any
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Speaker 4: manual security checks at all. Concerned security insiders told me
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Speaker 4: today that visitor visas have been approved for Gazans in
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Speaker 4: an automated process. This has left intelligence agencies later scrambling
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Speaker 4: to ensure that none pose a risk to national security.
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Speaker 4: This shocking revelation comes as figures show Australia is taking
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Speaker 4: more Palestinians from Gaza than almost anywhere in the developed world,
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Speaker 4: and far more than surrounding Islamic countries. Yet the Albanezi
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Speaker 4: government security process is weaker than other nations. Data shows
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Speaker 4: Australia has issued visas to two nine hundred and twenty
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Speaker 4: two Palestinians, one thy five hundred are already in the country.
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Speaker 4: By contrast, Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway and Spain were among
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Speaker 4: thirty five countries not to take in any Palestinians since
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Speaker 4: octob seven. Of our five Eyes allies, the US accepted
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Speaker 4: only seventeen one hundred and sixty eight to the UK,
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Speaker 4: twenty seven to New Zealand, and forty one to Canada.
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Speaker 4: Neighboring Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia have taken in none,
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Speaker 4: according to data compiled by the Coalition, and Spain is fascinating.
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Speaker 4: It's one of the leading pro Palestinian countries politically, it's
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Speaker 4: already recognized Palestine as an independent country. Yet it's taken
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Speaker 4: in no Palestinians since October seven. And there's a reason.
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Speaker 4: The intense security risk. It's something the powerful chair of
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Speaker 4: the United States Congressional Foreign Affairs Committee spoke to me
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Speaker 4: about on Thursday. Michael McColl said that her mask sympathizers
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Speaker 4: could be ticking time bombs.
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Speaker 5: You have to properly vet individuals before you bring them
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Speaker 5: in to your country, otherwise you could be bringing in,
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Speaker 5: you know, ticking time bonds, hamas or other terrorists that
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Speaker 5: could cause problems.
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Speaker 4: Now, these guasans were given visitor visas, as ad Husick said,
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Speaker 4: because it's faster. Well Inside has told me today that
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Speaker 4: the visitor visa process is clunky and out of date.
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Speaker 4: It involves an online questionnaire where an electronic assessment classifies
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Speaker 4: people into.
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Speaker 3: Different risk categories.
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Speaker 4: There would be a ping an alert if a person's
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Speaker 4: name hits a watch list, an Interpol red notice or
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Speaker 4: Australia's Movement Alert list. But unless someone's name is flagged
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Speaker 4: on a watch list, then they're not referred for a
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Speaker 4: manual security assessment, no manual checks. I'm told there's a
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Speaker 4: bias in the system to grant the visa because these
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Speaker 4: visas are usually for people visiting family members, not for
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Speaker 4: people coming from.
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Speaker 3: A terrorist hotspot.
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Speaker 4: If there's no red flag based on someone's name or
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Speaker 4: their own answers to the online questionnaire, then the visa
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Speaker 4: is automatically granted. And this can happen as we know
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Speaker 4: in as little as one hour.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 4: I asked Home Affairs about this today. They said they
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Speaker 4: couldn't respond to my questions until tomorrow, and I'll bring
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Speaker 4: you their answers if I have them tomorrow night. But
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Speaker 4: we know that a visa was granted in just one
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Speaker 4: hour after an online application filled out by this man
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Speaker 4: am Endlan for his mother. And as you know, DEFAT
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Speaker 4: officials have admitted that visas are coming through in one hour.
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Speaker 5: Taken look globally, a very large number of visit of
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Speaker 5: visas would be done inside.
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Speaker 6: And now.
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Speaker 4: This follows the admission by the AZO Director General, Mike
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Speaker 4: Burgess that security checks for Palace Indians were only done
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Speaker 4: if certain triggers were established, and that was the line
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Speaker 4: that the Prime Minister misquoted and misled Australians over. Now
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Speaker 4: it's actually a fraudulent use of the visa system to
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Speaker 4: give Gazans visitor visas.
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Speaker 3: Are they here in a holiday?
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Speaker 4: Well no, because Tony Burke, the Minister, has said that
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Speaker 4: he's not going to send anyone back to Gaza. The
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Speaker 4: Coalition hounded the Albanese government in parliament again today about
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Speaker 4: why our security process is weaker than other countries Today.
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Speaker 7: It was reported that before approving visas for people coming
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Speaker 7: from the terrorist controlled gars of war zone, Canada requires
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Speaker 7: applicants to submit to face to face interviews and biometric
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Speaker 7: testing in a third country, Egypt. Why didn't the government
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Speaker 7: have a similar arrangement in place before granting more than
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Speaker 7: two nine hundred tourist visas.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 4: In response to the Prime Minister says, not all Palestinians
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Speaker 4: support Hamas.
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Speaker 8: People are from Gaza or the West Bank for that matter,
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Speaker 8: certainly not automatically Hamas supporters and shouldn't be set still
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Speaker 8: as boys.
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Speaker 3: And that's right. Of course.
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Speaker 4: Not all Palestinians support Hermas, but many do. The government
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Speaker 4: itself has rejected more than seven thousand visa applications from
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Speaker 4: Gaza on security grounds, and there were many civilians who
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Speaker 4: took part alongside Hermas in the October seven attacks, and
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Speaker 4: other civilians went in and looted homes, stepping over children
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Speaker 4: and families still lying there warm and bleeding. Civilians also
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Speaker 4: celebrated on the streets of Gaza as bloodied Israeli bodies
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Speaker 4: were paraded around and hostages dragged in. But Albinizi is right,
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Speaker 4: not all Palestinians support Hermas. And here's the point, what
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Speaker 4: is he doing to ensure that her Musk sympathizers or worse,
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Speaker 4: actual her Musk members aren't coming to Australia. Automated visa
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Speaker 4: visitor visas are not the answer. Security checks that take
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Speaker 4: as little as one hour without any manual assessment is
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Speaker 4: certainly not going to sort through those posing a risk
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Speaker 4: from the refugees.
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Speaker 3: Well, Peter dartenass today.
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Speaker 4: If there was a third country where security assessments were
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Speaker 4: being completed.
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Speaker 9: Processing a visa application, or somebody is offshore in a
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Speaker 9: third country like Jordan, means a person of concern can
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Speaker 9: be stopped before getting to Australia. The last government used
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Speaker 9: this process when bringing people in from Syria. The Prime
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Speaker 9: Minister says the process for granting twenty nine hundred tourist
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Speaker 9: visas to those coming from the terrorist control of Gaza
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Speaker 9: zone followed the same process. Can the Prime Minister advise
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Speaker 9: in which third party country these people were sent to
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Speaker 9: for screening before they come to Australia.
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Speaker 4: There's not now, Dante and who'll be on my show
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Speaker 4: A bit later, he asked five times how many of
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Speaker 4: the two nine hundred visas from Gaza have been counseled
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Speaker 4: five times. The Prime Minister wouldn't answer and instead attack
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Speaker 4: to the coalition for asking questions about this instead of
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Speaker 4: other topics.
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Speaker 8: I could have asked a question about the cost of living,
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Speaker 8: could have asked a question about order from about the
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Speaker 8: visit of the president elective Indonesia promised to doesn't.
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Speaker 4: He think national security is important to worry about. It's
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Speaker 4: so utterly confusing to see this lack of regard for
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Speaker 4: our safety, for our children's safety. It's so utterly confusing
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Speaker 4: that the Albanezy government and even Asio think it's okay
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Speaker 4: for people to come here who support Humus, because Mike
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Speaker 4: Burgess has said as much.
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Speaker 10: If it's just rhetorical report and they don't have a
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Speaker 10: ideology or support for a violent extream as an ideology,
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Speaker 10: then that's not a problem.
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Speaker 11: Well.
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Speaker 4: Foreign Affairs editor Greg Sheridan said today that in his
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Speaker 4: forty five years of journalism he can't recall any minister
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Speaker 4: or official saying that it was okay to rhetorically support
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Speaker 4: a terror group, let alone someone who was seeking to
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Speaker 4: come to Australia. Greg Sheridan asks, is it okay to
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Speaker 4: give verbal support to al Qaeda or Islamic State or
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Speaker 4: even the Ku Klux Klan. He says, Jimas is not
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Speaker 4: only a terrorist organization, its charter contains the most foul
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Speaker 4: and vicious traditional anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: He says.
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Speaker 4: The government must clarify what it means to say some degree.
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Speaker 12: Of support for Hamas is no problem.
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Speaker 4: He says, the Opposition would be failing its duty to
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Speaker 4: the nation to leave this matter unresolved, and it is
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Speaker 4: a good point. Is the Prime Minister not concerned that
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Speaker 4: he's bringing people potentially to our country who hate Jews?
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Speaker 4: Doesn't this change Australia's social fabric? It seems the Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister has quickly forgotten the barbarities inflicted by Hermas on
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Speaker 4: October seven. He must have forgotten, or perhaps he doesn't care,
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Speaker 4: because as the data shows, Australia is taking in a
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Speaker 4: near record number of Palestinians from Gaza without any adequate
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Speaker 4: security checks. All right, let's bring in tonight's panel, former
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Speaker 4: Speaker of the House Bronwyn Bishop and Menzies Research Center
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Speaker 4: executive director David Hughes.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. Great to see you. Brown.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister today five times refused to say whether
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Speaker 4: any Palestinians who'd already arrived in Australia have now had
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Speaker 4: their visas revoked.
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Speaker 3: Is this good enough?
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Speaker 6: What is first becoming our cover up? Isn't it?
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Speaker 13: The denials and the pathetic way in which Albanezi today
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Speaker 13: tried to avoid answering those questions was made face of
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Speaker 13: the political process. And you can only say that he's
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Speaker 13: continually covering up of the issue.
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Speaker 6: Means there's something to hide. What is it? We need
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Speaker 6: to know, we need to be told.
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Speaker 13: We hear the old adage that you know, to make
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Speaker 13: a mistake is one thing, but to try and cover
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Speaker 13: it up there's entirely another.
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Speaker 6: And that's what's happening now. So when you.
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Speaker 13: Look at the seriousness of national security, you realize that
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Speaker 13: Albanezi removed the head of ASIO from the Security Committee
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Speaker 13: of Cabinet, had to put him back.
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Speaker 6: But who do you replace him with?
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Speaker 13: Bowen with his climate change rubbish. You realize that there
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Speaker 13: was the question of national security doesn't matter to him.
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Speaker 13: He's like the kid who was still at university with
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Speaker 13: his megaphone yelling out pro Palestinian stuff. Then he hasn't
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Speaker 13: changed I say again again, he hasn't changed his spot
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Speaker 13: he hasn't.
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Speaker 4: David, the government tried to say today that the Coalition
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Speaker 4: had a similar process when they accepted people from other
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Speaker 4: dangerous parts of the world.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that argument stands up to scrutiny.
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Speaker 2: Well, I can assure you that's not the case.
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Speaker 14: I was there in a senior role in the government
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Speaker 14: at the time, and there's a number of visa pathways
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Speaker 14: that governments can use, and those other nations that you
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Speaker 14: mentioned that have taken less than one hundred people from
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Speaker 14: Gaza are clearly using the humanitarian pathway, and there's two
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Speaker 14: conditions that need to be met, and it's a lengthy process.
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Speaker 14: You need to demonstrate that you meet the criteria on
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Speaker 14: humanitarian grounds and you need to undergo a very comprehensive
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Speaker 14: security check. Now that's a pathway that other countries are
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Speaker 14: following that we followed in the past, particularly from people
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Speaker 14: from war zones where it's all the more important. What
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Speaker 14: concerns me here is we're letting people in on tourist visas.
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Speaker 14: It's very hard when somebody's in the country if they
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Speaker 14: do found to have said something averse or support for Hamas,
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Speaker 14: effectively need to be deported, which is a very lengthy
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Speaker 14: process if the government goes down that path, and to
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Speaker 14: have the head of our domestic intelligence service to say
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Speaker 14: that somebody can still be allowed in and kind of
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Speaker 14: offered support for a terrorist group is deeply, deeply concerning.
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Speaker 2: So thank you for providing scrutiny on these issues, and.
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Speaker 3: We'll continue to do so.
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Speaker 4: And we're going to come back to this topic in
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Speaker 4: the show I've got as I said dantean on a
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Speaker 4: bit later. But now let's have a look at the
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Speaker 4: fiasco in the New Southwle's Liberal Party and in breaking news,
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Speaker 4: the New Southwello's Liberals have abandoned their bid to take
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Speaker 4: the electoral Commission in New South Wales to court Brnwan.
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Speaker 4: This has been a massive internal fiasco, extreme incompetence here
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Speaker 4: that there are dozens of councils which now won't have
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Speaker 4: Liberal candidates, including mine, oh including yours as well.
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Speaker 3: So what do you think needs to happy?
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Speaker 4: I mean there's questions over Mark Speakman's involvement, what he
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Speaker 4: knew about this, the opposition leader in New South Wales.
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Speaker 4: For people who don't know, he's got a very low profile.
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Speaker 4: Do you think you know he needs to take some
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Speaker 4: responsibility as well?
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Speaker 13: Look, Cherry, I have never seen a mess like this.
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Speaker 6: It's unprecedented.
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Speaker 13: And what needs to happen is the slate has to
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Speaker 13: be wipe clean in order that something can be done
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Speaker 13: to show that the division can in fact run a
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Speaker 13: federal election. There are still people, including in my olefseet,
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Speaker 13: which does not have an endorse candidate, despite the fact
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Speaker 13: that requests have.
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Speaker 6: Been made again and again for preselection.
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Speaker 13: So we need to have a situation arise whereby there
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Speaker 13: can be not only a competently run division, but it
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Speaker 13: has to be believably competently run. Now there's been a
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Speaker 13: sacrificial lamb in that the Richard Shields has been the
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Speaker 13: sacrificial lamb, but that's not enough.
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Speaker 3: Because it needs to go as well.
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Speaker 13: All the people won't until action is taken, and the presidency,
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Speaker 13: under the Constitution as it is now, has a very
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Speaker 13: important role to play in. Certain decisions can't be made
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Speaker 13: without the president, so he really has to consider his position.
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Speaker 13: He really does, because the whole of the division is
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Speaker 13: now a laughing stock and the leadership has to be
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Speaker 13: seen to be in charge and it needs to have
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Speaker 13: a clean fleet.
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Speaker 3: David.
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Speaker 4: The Daily Telegraph has reported that the Opposition leader Mark
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Speaker 4: Speakman was warned that the party was headed for an iceberg,
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Speaker 4: so I don't think there's a suggestion that he should
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Speaker 4: step down, but clearly enough people knew that this process
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Speaker 4: wasn't going to be met.
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Speaker 14: John Howard said earlier in the year that he had
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Speaker 14: concerns with running indoors Liberal candidates local governments because it
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Speaker 14: depletes resources and the main game, of course is Canberra,
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Speaker 14: and of course situations like this do take resources away
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Speaker 14: from the cort responsibility of the Liberal Party, which is
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Speaker 14: providing a Liberal prime minister in Canberra. Some good news, though, Sharhi,
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Speaker 14: in the last ten minutes or so, I've just seen
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Speaker 14: that Brian Locknae has been appointed to head a review
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Speaker 14: into this situation in New South Wales, and of course
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Speaker 14: no Brian was John Howard's former campaign director, so hopefully
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Speaker 14: he'll steady the ship.
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Speaker 6: I just think.
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Speaker 13: It has to be seen by people that responsibility has
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Speaker 13: been taken and it can be a competently run division and.
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Speaker 6: That can't happen really if Don Harwin remains, if he's
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Speaker 6: still that.
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Speaker 4: But David, when you say that it takes resources away
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Speaker 4: from focusing on the federal Liberal Party are you saying
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Speaker 4: that perhaps long term the New Southeales Liberal Party or
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Speaker 4: even other state Liberal parties shouldn't be in charge of
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Speaker 4: the local council process.
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Speaker 2: We's been John Howard's view to an extent. Think about
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Speaker 2: it this way, Shari.
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Speaker 14: For a federal election, the New South Wales division has
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Speaker 14: to select fifty fifty candidates for fifty lower House seats.
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Speaker 14: I think it's around ninety three. For state parliament. In
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Speaker 14: this instance there would have been around six hundred applications,
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Speaker 14: so it is a very big drain on resources.
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Speaker 3: So who would run it than.
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Speaker 12: Just individual people do it themselves.
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Speaker 13: To be blunt, that's where it used to be done.
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Speaker 13: Every local government conference ran a lodge its own documentation,
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Speaker 13: and quite frankly, if they'd just said the day before,
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Speaker 13: look we're having probably we can't get it all through
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Speaker 13: the portal. Do your own, which some people did because
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Speaker 13: they got win that things weren't doing too well, then
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Speaker 13: they could have been saved. I mean in terms of
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Speaker 13: those people who have missed out. Take my own area
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Speaker 13: for instance, there is.
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Speaker 6: Nobody to vote for.
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Speaker 13: We're disenfranchised, and there are the personal stories of people
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Speaker 13: who have already spent money ready to buy core flutes
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Speaker 13: and money on their own credit cards.
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Speaker 3: But of course its not.
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Speaker 4: It matters as well for residents, for people who don't
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Speaker 4: want radical policies or prop activism on the street.
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Speaker 13: And we're in the difficult position where because of the
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Speaker 13: incompetence of the division, then people are disenfranchised.
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Speaker 6: They have not someone to vote for.
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Speaker 4: All right, let's quickly turn to the RBA, because the
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Speaker 4: minutes from their meeting on August fifth to six, the
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Speaker 4: two day meeting, have just been released and they put
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Speaker 4: more cold water on any chance of a rate cut
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Speaker 4: before next year, saying it would result in inflation remaining persistent. David,
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Speaker 4: though we keep hearing that there might be rate cuts.
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Speaker 4: I mean, this talk, especially politically, won't let up despite.
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Speaker 12: The minutes being there in black and white.
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Speaker 2: It's extraordinary.
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Speaker 14: Shari Anthony Alberanezi might be the first prime minister to
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Speaker 14: never preside over an inflation rate within the RBA's target
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Speaker 14: since they started setting target rates in the nineteen nineties.
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Speaker 14: So their target for inflation ideally should be between two
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Speaker 14: and three percent. At the moment, it's running close to
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Speaker 14: four percent, and there's no likelihood of that being down
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Speaker 14: for another two years.
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Speaker 4: What do you think, Brian Wan, are you expecting we
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Speaker 4: might see a rate cut at the start of next
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Speaker 4: year or are you pessimistic given the level of both
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Speaker 4: state and federal government spending, that inflation just might not
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Speaker 4: come down enough to even have a rate cut at
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Speaker 4: the start of next year.
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Speaker 13: While the particularly the snake Darmer the Treasurer refuses to
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Speaker 13: acknowledge that he's spending policies and that of other labor
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Speaker 13: state governments US keeping those rates high and pleasure rates high,
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Speaker 13: the Reserve Bank has no option but to keep saying
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Speaker 13: that we are thinking about putting them up. If you
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Speaker 13: don't get your wreck together, government, we will put them
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Speaker 13: up to try and make them stop the outrageous extra
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Speaker 13: spending that they're doing.
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Speaker 3: All right from Bishop David Hughes. Great to see you
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Speaker 3: both again.
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Speaker 4: Now let's cross to the United States, where the Democratic
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Speaker 4: National Convention kicked off in Chicago, and for day one,
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Speaker 4: the Democrats brought out the who's who of the party
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Speaker 4: to speak, including Hillary Clinton.
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Speaker 15: Kamla cares cares about kids and families, cares about America.
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Speaker 15: Donald only cares about himself. So it is no surprise,
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Speaker 15: is it that he is lying about Kamala's record. He's
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Speaker 15: mocking her name and her laugh sounds familiar. But we
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Speaker 15: have him on the run now.
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Speaker 4: And eyes were also on Joe Biden, who was trying
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Speaker 4: to salvage his own life.
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Speaker 3: I see just as much.
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Speaker 12: As he was speaking about Kamala.
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Speaker 16: COVID no longer controls our lives. The god from economic
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Speaker 16: crisis to the strongest economy in the entire world. Record
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Speaker 16: sixty million new jobs, record, small business growth, record high,
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Speaker 16: stock market record high far one case, wages up, Inflation down,
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Speaker 16: way down, and continue to go down.
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Speaker 4: It can talk up the US economy all he wants,
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Speaker 4: but the truth is there are concerns about a recession.
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Speaker 4: Well let's bring in now former US Acting Attorney General
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Speaker 4: Matthew Whittaker. Thank you, great to see you again. Look,
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Speaker 4: what were your main takeouts from the first day of
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Speaker 4: this convention.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the Democrats going to be with you, Shari.
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Speaker 1: I think the Democrats feel that the more you say things,
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Speaker 1: even if they're not true, the more it might resonate.
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Speaker 1: Because what's happening is is that the things that were
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Speaker 1: being said from the stage last night are just not
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Speaker 1: what the ordinary Americans are experienced in places you know
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Speaker 1: that I travel all the time, and places where I
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Speaker 1: you know, where I spend a large majority of my time.
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Speaker 1: I just I see, for example, a lot of discussion
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Speaker 1: about Kamala Harris and her policies. She hasn't announced any
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Speaker 1: policies except price controls, which is kind of a failed
22:29
Speaker 1: socialist idea that that ultimately has never worked, and it's
22:35
Speaker 1: a cover up for when overspending by the government inflates
22:40
Speaker 1: the goods and services that people use on an everyday basis.
22:44
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, this was a way for
22:48
Speaker 1: them to get some of those folks on the stage
22:51
Speaker 1: and then off the stage. I think you're going to
22:53
Speaker 1: see much more messaging about policy, I hope, but you know,
22:59
Speaker 1: at the same time time, Kamala Harris hasn't really announced
23:02
Speaker 1: any policies except price controls.
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Speaker 4: At this point, well, it seems to be that the
23:06
Speaker 4: Democrats are running a campaign mostly based on personality not policy,
23:12
Speaker 4: as you say, because the attacks on Trump came thick
23:14
Speaker 4: and fast. He was called a loser, a plague on
23:17
Speaker 4: the American conscience, a scab, even chance saying.
23:20
Speaker 3: Lock him up.
23:20
Speaker 4: So perhaps we are headed for what do you think
23:23
Speaker 4: a campaign that's more based ony on personality, on attacking
23:28
Speaker 4: Trump personally, rather than on key policy planks.
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Speaker 1: I think that is the case. You know, I was
23:34
Speaker 1: at the Republican National Convention as a delegate, and I
23:39
Speaker 1: don't remember that many speakers worrying about or addressing Joe Biden,
23:45
Speaker 1: who is the nominee at the time before they did
23:46
Speaker 1: their you know, switch out a month ago. But you
23:50
Speaker 1: know you were going to see. I think the left
23:53
Speaker 1: continue to not be honest about what they stand for.
23:58
Speaker 1: This is kind of the what I would call the
23:59
Speaker 1: Obama strat know, he very much ran as a centrist.
24:03
Speaker 1: He very much ran as as kind of this idea
24:05
Speaker 1: of hope and change without any really policy provisions. And
24:11
Speaker 1: I think that's what they're trying to do with Kamala
24:13
Speaker 1: Harris is not allow her to talk about what she
24:16
Speaker 1: would do and her policies, at least based on how
24:20
Speaker 1: she ran in twenty twenty and what her core philosophies
24:24
Speaker 1: are as a California Liberal, I think you're going to
24:26
Speaker 1: see her want to be very much a left wing
24:30
Speaker 1: radical in her policy approach.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
24:33
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of left wing radicals, I mean we saw
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Speaker 4: I say up there endorsing Kamala, which should have many
24:39
Speaker 4: people worried. We also saw Joy Biden again have problems
24:43
Speaker 4: with his teleprompter.
24:44
Speaker 3: I have a look at this quote.
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Speaker 16: Women are not without electrical not allowed, not without electoral,
24:53
Speaker 16: electoral or political power.
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Speaker 4: Us women, we can be electric of it. Matthew, what
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Speaker 4: did you make of that moment to and Biden's speech.
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Speaker 1: More broadly, Well, I mean, you see again someone he's
25:11
Speaker 1: trying as hard as he can, and I think that's
25:14
Speaker 1: kind of his biggest undoing and why he's not their
25:18
Speaker 1: nominee and why this isn't a convention about Joe Biden,
25:21
Speaker 1: as I think, you know, he did not instill confidence
25:24
Speaker 1: that he even understood what he was talking about. I mean,
25:28
Speaker 1: but you know, at the same time, I think the
25:30
Speaker 1: American people are really wanting authentic You know, you see,
25:35
Speaker 1: for example, Donald Trump stand up and do press conferences
25:38
Speaker 1: and take questions from a hostile press that is not
25:42
Speaker 1: in favor of him being elected. And then at the
25:46
Speaker 1: same time you see Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and
25:49
Speaker 1: really all of these politicians speak from teleprompters with remarks
25:53
Speaker 1: that they didn't even write themselves about policies and about
25:57
Speaker 1: ideas and issues that they don't even know what they
26:00
Speaker 1: stand for.
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Speaker 12: So but yeah, she could still.
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Speaker 1: With to start contrast. Yeah, there's no doubt. There is
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Speaker 1: no doubt. It is a coin flip election right now
26:09
Speaker 1: and it's going to all depend on who shows up
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Speaker 1: to vote.
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Speaker 4: All right, Matthew Whittaker, thank you very much for your
26:15
Speaker 4: time now after the break, Shadow Immigration Minister Dan Tian
26:20
Speaker 4: hounded Albinizi today about how many guards and visas have
26:24
Speaker 4: been canceled after they were already issued. And I'm going
26:28
Speaker 4: to ask him what he knows about this when he's
26:30
Speaker 4: on the show next and still coming up. Will America
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Speaker 4: step in to defend Taiwan if China invades? And could
26:38
Speaker 4: this spark a world war? Well, that influential US congressman
26:42
Speaker 4: gives me his view. Welcome back with Shadow Immigration Minister
26:50
Speaker 4: Dan tin pursued the Prime Minister in question time today
26:53
Speaker 4: about how many Palestinian visas had been canceled after they
26:58
Speaker 4: were issued. Refuse to answer the question five times. You
27:03
Speaker 4: think this would be a critical question to answer. Has
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Speaker 4: the government brought people into Australia who pose a risk
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Speaker 4: to our national security and if their visas have been revoked.
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Speaker 3: Well, what has happened to them?
27:16
Speaker 4: Home Affairs figures show that forty three visitor visas were
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Speaker 4: canceled between October seven and August this year. Twenty were
27:25
Speaker 4: then restored on appeal. Well, who was the appeal made
27:28
Speaker 4: to and where are those twenty three who've had their
27:31
Speaker 4: visas counceled to discuss? I spoke with Dantean a little earlier.
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Speaker 4: Dantein thank you very much for your time. You asked
27:40
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister five times today how many visas had
27:44
Speaker 4: been canceled. Is it your understanding that people were already
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Speaker 4: here in Australia when their visas were canceled.
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Speaker 17: Well, we're not quite sure, Sharhi, but we think that
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Speaker 17: that information is incredibly important for the Australian people to know.
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Speaker 17: And what we saw from the Prime Minister today was
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Speaker 17: him being slippery and evasive to the most basic of
28:09
Speaker 17: questions and that these questions fundamentally go to the security
28:14
Speaker 17: of Australia. And I think this is really now becoming
28:16
Speaker 17: a character test of the Prime Minister. The fact that
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Speaker 17: he's looking slippery and evasive, the fact that he won't
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Speaker 17: provide this information to the Australian people. I think starts
28:27
Speaker 17: to raise big question marks about his character.
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Speaker 4: Look at the Prime Minister, as you say, he wouldn't
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Speaker 4: answer the question five times you asked it. If your
28:37
Speaker 4: proposition is accurate, and Palestinians from Harmas controlled Gaza were
28:43
Speaker 4: here in Australia when their visas were canceled, well what
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Speaker 4: would happen to these people if they.
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Speaker 3: Didn't have visas? Would they have to go into detention?
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Speaker 17: Well it's a very good question and maybe one of
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Speaker 17: the reasons why the Prime Minister refuses to answer this
28:59
Speaker 17: question because we don't know whether proper security checks were
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Speaker 17: done before people came here. As a matter of fact,
29:08
Speaker 17: it seems that some people weren't given proper security checks.
29:12
Speaker 17: We don't know whether Azio was consulted before the government
29:17
Speaker 17: decided to issue tourist visas to these people coming from
29:21
Speaker 17: the Gaza war zone, because we asked that question yesterday
29:25
Speaker 17: and the government wouldn't answer it. So everywhere we go
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Speaker 17: the government is just refusing to answer these most basic
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Speaker 17: of questions. There has to be something that they are hiding.
29:39
Speaker 17: The PM has been slippery and evasive and it's beginning
29:43
Speaker 17: to smell. But we just don't know why he's doing this.
29:47
Speaker 17: But in the end he's going to have to come
29:49
Speaker 17: clean because it's important that the Australian people know this information,
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Speaker 17: and we're going to keep asking the questions.
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Speaker 4: Look, we know that nearly three thousand powers Estinians have
30:01
Speaker 4: been given visas by the Australian government. Around one thy
30:04
Speaker 4: five hundred are already in Australia for those that were
30:08
Speaker 4: given visitor visas to fast track the process. Look, these
30:12
Speaker 4: are not designed for security screening. They're meant for visitors,
30:15
Speaker 4: you know, people who were coming here to visit family members,
30:18
Speaker 4: for example. So the security screening isn't as thorough for
30:23
Speaker 4: electronic applications. My understanding is, and I've been briefed by
30:27
Speaker 4: people who have been involved in this process from.
30:30
Speaker 3: A security perspective, is.
30:31
Speaker 4: That applicants can fill out a form online it can
30:34
Speaker 4: be approved without any manual processing at all. So if
30:39
Speaker 4: the person's name doesn't hit a terror watch list or
30:43
Speaker 4: any other watch lists, it would simply be approved.
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Speaker 3: This is why visas.
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Speaker 4: Have been approved in as little as one hour. Does
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Speaker 4: this sound adequate to you for the her Musk controlled
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Speaker 4: wall zone.
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Speaker 17: No, it doesn't, and that's why we've been asking the
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Speaker 17: government these questions, and that's why today one of the
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Speaker 17: five questions that I asked the Prime Minister that once
31:06
Speaker 17: again he refused to answer, was were there any cancelations
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Speaker 17: from people on shore? And he refused to answer that question.
31:16
Speaker 17: So there is something going on here. The Prime Minister
31:20
Speaker 17: has been slippery and evasive. And there's only one reason
31:24
Speaker 17: that we can think of that he's been slippery and evasive,
31:26
Speaker 17: and that is that him and Andrew Giles cooked up
31:30
Speaker 17: some scheme in a rush and now it's come back
31:36
Speaker 17: to bite them because what they're now having to do
31:38
Speaker 17: is chase their tails to make sure that the security
31:42
Speaker 17: of the Australian people has been looked after, and the
31:45
Speaker 17: Prime Minister doesn't seem to want to admit that, he
31:48
Speaker 17: doesn't want to run up to it. Have to remember
31:50
Speaker 17: that Andrew Giles and the PM are from the left
31:54
Speaker 17: wing of the factions in the Labor Party. Andrew Giles
31:59
Speaker 17: was obviously a lawyer that did a lot in that
32:03
Speaker 17: humanitarian space, so we knew where his heart lay when
32:07
Speaker 17: he was appointed. And it seems like him and the
32:10
Speaker 17: Prime Minister have heard in this case. And Minister Giles
32:14
Speaker 17: might have been removed, but the Prime Minister is still there,
32:18
Speaker 17: and I think we've got every right to keep pursuing
32:20
Speaker 17: him and keep asking these questions of it.
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Speaker 4: Just finally, we've seen data today that Australia has been
32:28
Speaker 4: more generous, if you can put it that way, or
32:31
Speaker 4: you risking national security is another way to put it.
32:34
Speaker 4: But Australia has taken more people from Gaza than any
32:39
Speaker 4: other virtually any other developed country around the world. Even
32:43
Speaker 4: pro Palestinian countries like Spain have taken no one from Gaza.
32:48
Speaker 4: What is this said say to you about our approach
32:51
Speaker 4: to national security under alban Easy.
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Speaker 17: I think the big question that this raises is was
32:59
Speaker 17: that a vision that was taken by Prime Minister Albanesi
33:04
Speaker 17: at the time with the then former Immigration Minister Andrew
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Speaker 17: Giles more about politics than about a humanitarian solution or
33:14
Speaker 17: about trying to do something that was in our national interests.
33:20
Speaker 17: So I think what it keeps pointing to is that
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Speaker 17: this was a political decision, it was made in political haste,
33:28
Speaker 17: and it has jeopardized our national security. That seems to
33:32
Speaker 17: me what these figures show. Now, if the Prime Minister
33:37
Speaker 17: would come clean, we might be able to say, well,
33:41
Speaker 17: maybe it wasn't all about politics, but the fact that
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Speaker 17: he won't come clean I think points to the fact
33:47
Speaker 17: that this was all about politics and national security was
33:51
Speaker 17: a secondary consideration in the haste. We know that they're
33:55
Speaker 17: being attacked by the Greens constantly on this issue. I
34:00
Speaker 17: think they've panicked and I think that's what we're starting
34:04
Speaker 17: to get to the bottom of. And you know, I
34:06
Speaker 17: think if we keep pursuing this, sadly, I think we're
34:09
Speaker 17: going to see that the Prime Minister and Anthony Albana easy, sorry,
34:12
Speaker 17: the Prime Minister and Anthony Andrew Giles were up to
34:16
Speaker 17: their eyeballs in this again and it's a calamity.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Dante, and really appreciate your time, Thank
34:22
Speaker 4: you very much, Thanks Shari. And after the break, a
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Speaker 4: powerful US politician tells me whether he thinks America would
34:32
Speaker 4: step in to defend Taiwan.
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Speaker 5: Unlike Ukraine, Taiwan cannot win this by themselves.
34:40
Speaker 4: And if i'mer intelligence officer will also join me to
34:43
Speaker 4: discuss what a potential Chinese invasion would mean for Australia.
34:47
Speaker 3: That's coming up.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 4: China's aggression in our region is sparking concern both here
34:57
Speaker 4: and in the US as foreign affairs experts prepare for
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Speaker 4: how they would respond to a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
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Speaker 3: But when I sat down with.
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Speaker 4: The United States Congressional Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCall
35:11
Speaker 4: on Thursday, I asked him about this very topic. We
35:15
Speaker 4: haven't played these remarks before.
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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 4: There are concerns about China invading or reunification with Taiwan.
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Speaker 4: What time frame do you expect this could happen in
35:28
Speaker 4: and I are you confident that the US would intervene
35:32
Speaker 4: and come to Taiwan's defense or aid in the event
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Speaker 4: that that should happen.
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Speaker 5: It's a great question. I mean, unlike Ukraine, Taiwan cannot
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Speaker 5: win this by themselves. That you would need to help
35:44
Speaker 5: in the United States, in the allies in the Pacific.
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Speaker 5: And I think the people of the United States will
35:52
Speaker 5: have to answer that question of the people Australia. But
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Speaker 5: I will tell you the one thing that gives me
35:56
Speaker 5: some hope in the last year and a half are
35:59
Speaker 5: these alliances we've seen take place between Japan South Korea,
36:05
Speaker 5: who were bitter enemies, the Philippines all being allies reaching
36:10
Speaker 5: out to Vietnam, and now Indonesia and now recently August,
36:14
Speaker 5: the United States, UK and Australia coming together in an
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Speaker 5: alliance to basically deter this Malayan influence that we're seeing
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Speaker 5: from China. Remember, we don't have a NATO in the
36:27
Speaker 5: Pacific like we have in Europe, and so the alliances
36:31
Speaker 5: are so important and that has come together rather well.
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Speaker 5: In addition to the supplemental bill that I helped get
36:38
Speaker 5: passed provided funding for the region and for protection, and
36:43
Speaker 5: then the final piece that I got passed in the
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Speaker 5: Congress was.
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Speaker 4: The August But just to clarify that answer, when you
36:49
Speaker 4: say it would be up to the American people and
36:51
Speaker 4: the Australian people whether America would come to the aid
36:55
Speaker 4: of Taiwan, given as you just said, it wouldn't be
36:58
Speaker 4: able to defend itself without that help.
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Speaker 3: So do you think it's not.
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Speaker 4: We don't know for certain whether the US would step in,
37:05
Speaker 4: that's an open question at this point.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think I think deterrence is key. You project
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Speaker 5: power of strength, you get peace. You project weakness, you
37:15
Speaker 5: invite aggression, conflict and war. And I think that's where
37:18
Speaker 5: we're seeing ourselves today, whether it be in Ukraine and
37:22
Speaker 5: Eastern Europe, Middle East, and now that I call it
37:25
Speaker 5: two hot wars and one hot zone, you know right here.
37:28
Speaker 5: I think ultimately the American people would because they don't
37:32
Speaker 5: want to see an aggressive communist China, but they also
37:36
Speaker 5: would need to be educated as to why and isle
37:39
Speaker 5: off the coast of China is so important, and we
37:42
Speaker 5: can talk about freedom and democracy. But you know TSM
37:46
Speaker 5: st at a recent tour, that's ninety percent of the
37:50
Speaker 5: advanced global manufacturing of semi connector chips for the world.
37:55
Speaker 5: If China invades Taiwan, that facility shuts down and so
38:00
Speaker 5: does ninety percent of the global supply of advanced semi
38:03
Speaker 5: connected chips. Think about the economic downturn, the economic chaos
38:10
Speaker 5: and catastrophe that that would bring to the world.
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Speaker 4: You are on a bipartisan trip, but do you think
38:16
Speaker 4: there would be a different position should Kamala Harris be
38:20
Speaker 4: in the White House versus Donald Trump when it comes
38:23
Speaker 4: to coming to Taiwan's defense.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I can tell you this. The current administration, I
38:31
Speaker 5: think is responsible for a lot of this aggression we've seen.
38:34
Speaker 5: We haven't led like the United States has in the past,
38:38
Speaker 5: and we've invited aggression and quite frankly, it started with Afghanistan.
38:43
Speaker 5: I know Donald Trump would tell you this never would
38:45
Speaker 5: have happened under his watch. I personally a grieved that
38:49
Speaker 5: when I talked to him, you know, he said, look,
38:51
Speaker 5: I told Putin, if you invade Ukraine, I'm gonna hit
38:54
Speaker 5: you hard. And he told, you know, Chairman chie, excuse me.
38:58
Speaker 5: If you invade won I'm gonna bomb the you know what,
39:04
Speaker 5: And you know what he meant it. And that's a
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Speaker 5: fear factor of deterrence that we really don't see from
39:11
Speaker 5: this administration. But we had it then. We don't have
39:14
Speaker 5: that now. And I think Kamala Harris would just be
39:17
Speaker 5: an extension of the Biden administration. It's up to China.
39:21
Speaker 5: It's up to Chairman she if he wants to continue
39:24
Speaker 5: this aggression, if he invades Taiwan, if he threatens the Philippines,
39:28
Speaker 5: if he takes the China South China Sea. We have
39:31
Speaker 5: to respond to this. We have to be leaders of
39:34
Speaker 5: the freeway.
39:35
Speaker 3: It's America up to the font.
39:37
Speaker 5: I believe they would be. And if you look at
39:40
Speaker 5: not only the principles at stake here and communists China
39:44
Speaker 5: trying to take the Pacific, I think, but also the
39:47
Speaker 5: economics of sixty percent the trade goes through the Taiwan
39:52
Speaker 5: Straits South China Sea and then again shutting down ninety
39:57
Speaker 5: percent with the advanced semi connectors, the world would have
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Speaker 5: an economic.
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Speaker 12: Shutdown, all right.
40:05
Speaker 4: And that full interview, if you're interested in looking at
40:08
Speaker 4: it somewhere, will be on the Sky News website a
40:10
Speaker 4: bit later. But joining me to discuss this further is
40:13
Speaker 4: the former head of the China Desk for the Defense
40:16
Speaker 4: Intelligence Organization here in Australia, also an author of Thunder
40:21
Speaker 4: from the Silent Zone Rethinking China, Paul Monk.
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Speaker 12: Paul, great to have you back on the program.
40:26
Speaker 4: Look that response, Sure, that response there from the chair
40:31
Speaker 4: of the Foreign Affairs US Congressional Committee. That doesn't fill
40:35
Speaker 4: you with a high degree of confidence that the US
40:38
Speaker 4: necessarily would step in to defend China. What did to
40:42
Speaker 4: defend Taiwan? What did you think of what he just
40:44
Speaker 4: had to say?
40:48
Speaker 11: Well, it brings to mind remarked by Henry Kissinger made
40:51
Speaker 11: as the Arab Spring unraveled, that being America's enemy is dangerous.
40:58
Speaker 11: Being its friend is likely to be fake because of
41:02
Speaker 11: the nature of youth's political system and the freedom of speech.
41:06
Speaker 11: In the country. It's actually very difficult in many circumstances
41:10
Speaker 11: to sustain a foreign commitment if it becomes costly and
41:14
Speaker 11: drawn out. This has been demonstrated again and again in
41:17
Speaker 11: the last half century. So what has to be thought
41:21
Speaker 11: through here is what exactly are American options to first,
41:26
Speaker 11: as Michael McCall expressed, a deter China from attempting to
41:29
Speaker 11: invade Taiwan or an event that that begins to do
41:32
Speaker 11: something decisive that requires a lot of thought and that deterrence.
41:39
Speaker 3: Apologies, go ahead.
41:41
Speaker 11: Go on, Well that determins going to say.
41:45
Speaker 4: That deterrence is so important. But I think Joe Biden's
41:48
Speaker 4: withdrawal from Afghanistan, the way he did it, the fact
41:52
Speaker 4: that he has withheld weapons from Israel, all of this
41:56
Speaker 4: seems makes it look like the US is weak on
41:59
Speaker 4: a global stage.
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Speaker 3: So do you think that terrence is there at the moment?
42:05
Speaker 11: It's being sorely tested because we all know now that Moscow, Beijing, Tehran, Pyongyang,
42:12
Speaker 11: for what it's worth, are increasingly aligned in the belief
42:16
Speaker 11: that if they push hard enough, the US system will crack.
42:19
Speaker 11: And without a strong leadership from the United States and
42:23
Speaker 11: the cloud that it has, the rest of us would
42:26
Speaker 11: be to drive. We don't have the independent capacity to
42:31
Speaker 11: deal with the world in which those rogue states are
42:33
Speaker 11: going and becoming openly aggressive. We've more or less held
42:38
Speaker 11: the line to this point in the Middle East and Russia,
42:41
Speaker 11: but it is tenuous in both cases. And if we
42:46
Speaker 11: have an American administration of whatever stripe that says, look,
42:50
Speaker 11: we're jack of this, we don't think there's votes in
42:52
Speaker 11: sustaining these efforts, then it's by no means clear that
42:55
Speaker 11: the line will be held either in Ukraine or in
42:58
Speaker 11: the Middle East. In Israel. Yeah, that's seriously drubbling. If
43:02
Speaker 11: in those circumstances she says, right now's the time to strike,
43:06
Speaker 11: then chaos comes to Asia.
43:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, it's very concerning, especially that alliance you speak
43:12
Speaker 4: about between Iran, China, North Korea and Russia. We're seeing
43:16
Speaker 4: the supplying of weapons as well among them.
43:19
Speaker 3: So all of that.
43:21
Speaker 4: Next time we will have more time with you. I apologize,
43:24
Speaker 4: but great to see you again. Now up next to
43:27
Speaker 4: New South Wales labor clashes with the Albanezi government over
43:31
Speaker 4: the move to block a mine. My panel will discuss
43:34
Speaker 4: this next.
43:39
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
43:40
Speaker 4: Well, Chris Mins's labor government in New South Wales is
43:43
Speaker 4: a loggerheads with the Albanesi government and in particular Tanya
43:47
Speaker 4: Plibisek over a new gold mine in New South Wales.
43:51
Speaker 4: Now Tanya Plibiseka the eleventh hour decided to block it
43:54
Speaker 4: under indigenous heritage legislation, and The Daily Telegraph reports that
43:59
Speaker 4: she issued a Section ten statement blocking the site despite
44:03
Speaker 4: the Orange Local Aboriginal Land Council not opposing the mine,
44:08
Speaker 4: with the minister instead backing a rival indigenous group who
44:12
Speaker 4: are against the project. Look, the New Sutels government is
44:16
Speaker 4: very annoyed about this to discuss. Let's bring in tonight's
44:19
Speaker 4: political panel Nationals MP Keith Pitt and Gillard's fromer Presek
44:23
Speaker 4: Darren Barnett.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 12: Keith, Is there a reasonable excuse for this mind.
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Speaker 3: To be blocked?
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Speaker 18: Well, sharing not in my mind, and you've seen the
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Speaker 18: New South Wales government approved it and for Aboriginal heritage.
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Speaker 18: The only y my understanding is for the federal government
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Speaker 18: to overrule it using Section ten as the state government
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Speaker 18: has already made a decision which was the opposite of
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Speaker 18: this one. So we've seen activists get involved with Barossa v.
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Speaker 18: Shaw We've seen the federal Labor government crack down and
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Speaker 18: make changes around the gas sector for L and G
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Speaker 18: after they spent fifty billion dollars over ten years and
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Speaker 18: put market prices in place. And now you have this
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Speaker 18: decision for a gold mine in your South Wales, which
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Speaker 18: received every single approval that it needed, as far as
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Speaker 18: I'm aware, being rubbed out by Tanya plebisk for one
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Speaker 18: group regarding original heritage, this is sovereign risk, writ large Darren.
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Speaker 4: There seems to be a repeat pattern of behavior here
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Speaker 4: from Tanya Plebisek.
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Speaker 3: What do you think?
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Speaker 10: Look, I think there's a lot of wariness from everyone
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Speaker 10: in Parliament in Canberra regarding any sort of repeat of
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Speaker 10: Juk and Gorge, the disaster that we saw in twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 10: and that's bipartisan. There was lots of activity on that
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Speaker 10: from Susan Lay when she was Environment Minister under the
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Speaker 10: previous government. Now, no one in that environment portfolio wants
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Speaker 10: a repeat of that scenario, and I imagined that that
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Speaker 10: would be why Tania Pilibusek has acted with such caution
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Speaker 10: in this case. Now, I also think there will have
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Speaker 10: to be a common sense solution that if they are
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Speaker 10: able to change the design of the mind or the
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Speaker 10: tailing stam that there might be a way through, but
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Speaker 10: it does seem an interesting decision, to say the least,
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Speaker 10: if it was to be blocked solely on these grounds.
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Speaker 10: Let's hope there's a middle way and that all the
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Speaker 10: parties can work together to find it.
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Speaker 3: Keith, do you want a quick response to that.
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Speaker 18: Absolutely, They've already done the hydrology, the design, the infrastructure,
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Speaker 18: they've costed it, looking for a final investment decision and
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Speaker 18: everything was approved. Why would you invest in this country
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Speaker 18: if you can have tenure plebosec knock your project out
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Speaker 18: when you've done everything right?
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Speaker 3: All right?
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Speaker 4: From the start of next week, and by the way,
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Speaker 4: we'll keep coming back to that topic this week because
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Speaker 4: it's going to be a very big political story as
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Speaker 4: this war heats up between Men's and al but easy government. Now,
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Speaker 4: from the start of next week, Labour's contentious right to
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Speaker 4: disconnect laws will take effect. This, of course, empowers employees
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Speaker 4: to ignore their bosses outside of work hours. Darren, do
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Speaker 4: you think this is going to change the way businesses operate?
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Speaker 10: I think it will, but it depends on the type
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Speaker 10: of work that you do and frankly, the level that
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Speaker 10: you are in that company that junior workers who perhaps
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Speaker 10: are not on high wages, they may have a very
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Speaker 10: good case in being able to plan their day and
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Speaker 10: do their work when they get to work, But certainly
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Speaker 10: people in senior positions, you cannot expect to turn your
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Speaker 10: phone off at five pm and go home and nothing
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Speaker 10: else will change before the next morning. The modern world
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Speaker 10: doesn't work that way. So I think it's going to
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Speaker 10: depend on the workplace and depend on the job. But
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Speaker 10: if it means that some people who are currently expected
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Speaker 10: to do things that are unfair have some form of recourse,
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Speaker 10: then I support it.
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Speaker 4: It's not even about unfair, it's about that hours, Keith Peter,
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Speaker 4: Are you going to stop contacting your staff after six
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Speaker 4: o'clock even if it's a parliamentary sitting day.
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Speaker 18: Jari I wouldn't bear that didn't happen, and they get
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Speaker 18: paid allowances for those things. But out in the real world, Shaw,
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Speaker 18: I'll give you a live example. In the sugar cane industry,
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Speaker 18: people drive haulouts. That's where you put the sugar cane
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Speaker 18: in the back and your toilet with a tractor or
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Speaker 18: truck or whatever you might be doing, and you know,
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Speaker 18: they're not super highly paid individuals, but almost every single
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Speaker 18: day they start. Time depends on the weather, crop availability,
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Speaker 18: where you can get on the land, but that something
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Speaker 18: changes overnight, whether you've got bins, and they'll receive a
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Speaker 18: text to say we're starting at five, we're starting at eight,
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Speaker 18: we're starting at seven. How on earth can you run
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Speaker 18: that business if you can't contact them to change their
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Speaker 18: start date because you've got nothing for them to do.
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Speaker 18: These are the challenges. Labour just wants to plaster things
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Speaker 18: across the country. It doesn't always work.
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what the lawsuits related to this legislation
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Speaker 4: are going to be extraordinary or the industrial action all right,
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Speaker 4: Keith Pitt, Darren Bunnett. Great to see you both, Thank
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Speaker 4: you and thanks thanks everyone for watching us. See you
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Speaker 4: tomorrow at eight o'clock. And right now, as always, here's
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Speaker 4: Paul Murray.