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The Bolt Report | 13 June · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: He's the reform it.
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Speaker 2: Well good evening.
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Speaker 3: Coming up on the show tonight, new polling shows most
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Speaker 3: Australians care more about the price of electricity than about
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Speaker 3: meeting net zero targets. Who knew Barnaby Joyce will join me.
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Speaker 3: Why are Australian universities ignoring calls to define anti Semitism?
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Speaker 3: Julian Lisa will explain what's going on, and the Pope
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Speaker 3: tells priests they should restrict their sermons to just eight minutes.
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Speaker 3: I'll ask my panel about that one, But first, what
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Speaker 3: does us say about our culture that a biological man
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Speaker 3: being banned from swimming against women at the Olympic Games
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Speaker 3: is big news. It would seem pretty obvious to most people,
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Speaker 3: especially to people with daughters, that if you're a six
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Speaker 3: foot four biological male, you don't get to race against
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Speaker 3: the earls. But nothing is obvious anymore, especially when it
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Speaker 3: comes to gender and so US transgender swimmer Lea Thomas
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Speaker 3: was in court this week arguing for the right to
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Speaker 3: race as a woman against women in Paris next month.
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Speaker 3: The twenty five year old was a below average swimmer
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Speaker 3: as a male, ranking in the mid four hundreds. That
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Speaker 3: was as recently as twenty nineteen. But then Thomas identified
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Speaker 3: as a woman and started dominating female events famously, or
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Speaker 3: should I say infamously, winning a female five hundred meter
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Speaker 3: national college title in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 2: You heard me correctly.
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Speaker 3: Thomas went from rank outsider to podium topping champion in
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Speaker 3: just three years. But how to explain the dramatic improvement.
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Speaker 3: It was a mystery, or at least it was a mystery.
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Speaker 2: To everyone without eyes.
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Speaker 3: By the way, the college win in twenty twenty two
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Speaker 3: is still the subject of an ongoing court challenge by
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Speaker 3: sixteen female competitors who understandably they were robbed by Thomas's inclusion.
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Speaker 2: You heard me right again.
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Speaker 3: Two years of legal wrangling and America's greatest legal minds
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Speaker 3: have still not been able to determine whether or not
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Speaker 3: it was appropriate for the girls to miss out on
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Speaker 3: medals to a biological man. But while the college girls
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Speaker 3: were still tied up in court, Thomas had moved on
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Speaker 3: to bigger things, with sight set on winning at the
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Speaker 3: Olympics as a female. I guess if you're going to win,
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Speaker 3: you might as well win big, right, Well, common sense
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Speaker 3: seems to have won the day with the Court of
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Speaker 3: Arbitration for Sport ruling today that Thomas was not in
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Speaker 3: fact eligible to compete in Paris as a woman. Now
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Speaker 3: I need to point out the ruling had nothing to
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Speaker 3: do with biology. The Court of Arbitration for Sport wasn't
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Speaker 3: going to be that brave. Had they been, the ruling
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Speaker 3: wouldn't have required twenty four pages. Instead, the court ruled
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Speaker 3: Thomas was ineligible on a technicality to challenge the rules
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Speaker 3: of World Aquatics, who administer international women's sport. World Aquatics
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Speaker 3: have a policy that no one who's undergone male puberty
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Speaker 3: can compete in the female category of the sport. But
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Speaker 3: Lea Thomas hadn't gone through the proper channels to challenge
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Speaker 3: World Aquatics, and so on that basis, the Court of
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Speaker 3: Arbitration for Sport bravely turned down Thomas's appeal. Thomas had
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Speaker 3: failed in process and administration rather than in biology and chromosomes.
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Speaker 3: So today's court ruling wasn't exactly a victory for fairness
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Speaker 3: in women's sport, but women's groups were relieved anyway, and
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Speaker 3: why wouldn't they be. It's important to note that Thomas
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Speaker 3: has not been banned from swimming at the Olympic games.
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Speaker 3: Thomas is free to swim in Paris as a man.
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Speaker 3: The only impediment is qualifying and that's where we get
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Speaker 3: to the heart of the issue. Thomas, who meets all
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Speaker 3: the criteria to compete as a man, just isn't good
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Speaker 3: enough to compete as a man like most of us.
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Speaker 3: The difference of courses that most of us except that
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Speaker 3: cruel judgment of genetics. Rather than insisting genetics should be ignored,
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Speaker 3: fairness should be trashed and gold medals are our human right.
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Speaker 2: Well, some good news.
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Speaker 3: The incoming Quantus chairman John Mullen has told a corporate
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Speaker 3: lunch in Sydney today that Corporate Australia's support for the
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Speaker 3: Indigenous Voice to Parliament had backfired. Now this is a
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Speaker 3: pretty amazing admission since Quantus, you'll remember, was one of
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Speaker 3: the strongest supporters of the Voice. Mullen, who takes over
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Speaker 3: at Quantus in July, said the public didn't like corporate
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Speaker 3: bosses coming across as high and mighty and telling them
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Speaker 3: what they should think, that alan how they should vote.
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Speaker 3: He told colleagues that corporations had done themselves a disservice
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Speaker 3: by getting involved in the Voice campaign, and that pushing
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Speaker 3: social issues rather than simply supplying goods and services was
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Speaker 3: detrimental to business.
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Speaker 2: So if I've understood.
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Speaker 3: The incoming co chairman correctly, he's promising to fly me
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Speaker 3: to my destination and back safely and on.
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Speaker 2: Time and without the woke.
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Speaker 3: Well it's amazing because I suspect that's what most of
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Speaker 3: us only ever wanted. Now, if only that'd stopped welcoming
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Speaker 3: us to our country every time we land, I might
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Speaker 3: dare to believe the spirit of Australia has a pulse
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Speaker 3: after all. Well, we've seen a sickening rise in anti
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Speaker 3: Semitism across the West since the brutal attack against Israel
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Speaker 3: and October seven, but no more so than at our universities.
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Speaker 3: Here at home, we've seen anti Israel encampments, campus buildings occupied,
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Speaker 3: classes interrupted, and Jewish students harassed so much so many
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Speaker 3: have felt unsafe to even go to class. Well, universities
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Speaker 3: are now being urged by MPs from Labor and the
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Speaker 3: Coalition to urgently adopt an internationally accepted definition of anti
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Speaker 3: semitism amid the ongoing conflict. Joining me is one of
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Speaker 3: those fighting for this change. Liberal MP Julian Lisa Julian
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Speaker 3: Why is it so important that universities define antisemitism. I
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Speaker 3: thought everyone knew what antisemitism was.
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Speaker 4: Well, clearly our universities don't know what antisemitism is, James,
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Speaker 4: because the way in which our universities have failed to
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Speaker 4: deal with the anti Semitism that we've seen on campus,
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Speaker 4: both before and after the Seventh of October, has been
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Speaker 4: quite breathtaking. We formed at the beginning of this parliament
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, the Parliamentary Friends of the International
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Speaker 4: Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. I'm one of the co chairs, along
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Speaker 4: with the Labor MP Josh Burns, and the Independent MP,
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Speaker 4: a legal spender. We formed this group because we are
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Speaker 4: seeing Holocaust denile grow and we're seeing the modern manifestations
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Speaker 4: of antisemitism grow. Things like Holocaust and ire, but things
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Speaker 4: like calling Israel a racist country, using Nazi iconography and
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Speaker 4: imagery to describe Israel, making individual Jewish Australians responsible for
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Speaker 4: the actions of the government of Israel. All of these
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Speaker 4: things are the modern manifestations of antisemitism, and they're not
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Speaker 4: being called out. And so we wrote to the university
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Speaker 4: Vice chancellors. Back in twenty twenty two, Australia has thirty
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Speaker 4: nine universities, only five have adopted this definition and it
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Speaker 4: just beggars belief. But it speaks of the problems that
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Speaker 4: we have at universities at the moment, where universities are
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Speaker 4: failing to recognize antisemitism, they're failing to call it out,
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Speaker 4: and they're failing to do anything about it.
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Speaker 3: Can I just pick you up on something you just
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Speaker 3: said there. You said that you've contacted universities. This was
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Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty two, so you were calling for
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Speaker 3: this recognition of antisemitism long before the October seven attacks
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Speaker 3: ever happened.
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Speaker 5: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 4: Australia was signed up to the International Holocaust Reliance Definition
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Speaker 4: Alliance Definition of Antisemitism in twenty twenty one. Scott Morrison,
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Speaker 4: as Prime Minister said, we adopt this as a people
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Speaker 4: and as a nation. If the Government of Australia, with
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Speaker 4: multi partisan support can approve of this definition, why then
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Speaker 4: have I five universities adopted it. Many of the other
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Speaker 4: universities said, oh, we've got general anti racism policies and
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Speaker 4: this is not a problem for us. But that's the
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Speaker 4: whole point. What universities have failed to do in the
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Speaker 4: same way the Australian Government has failed to do and
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Speaker 4: the Human Rights Commission have failed to do, is to
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Speaker 4: see the particularity of antisemitism, to see the fact that
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Speaker 4: antisemitism morphs and manifests itself in different ways.
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Speaker 5: To see that it's all about other.
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Speaker 4: Ing people for a set of problems that people have,
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Speaker 4: rather than taking personal responsibility.
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Speaker 5: For those problems.
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Speaker 4: All of this leads ultimately to greater social division. And
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Speaker 4: why this is so important on university campuses is not
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Speaker 4: just about Jewish students and Jewish staff. It's about the
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Speaker 4: next generation of our leaders. Because if we're not addressing
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Speaker 4: anti semitism in front of the next generation of our leaders,
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Speaker 4: and our next generation of leaders think it's acceptable to
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Speaker 4: turn a blind eye to this, then I fear for
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Speaker 4: the culture of Australia in the future, James. I think
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Speaker 4: we're setting ourselves up for a country that will not
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Speaker 4: be a nice place to live.
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Speaker 2: I can't understand.
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Speaker 3: How only do you say five out of thirty nine
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Speaker 3: universities have responded favorably to this request is career. I
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Speaker 3: can't imagine any other group of people, whether it's a
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Speaker 3: racial group, whether it's a particular group based on sexual
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Speaker 3: orientation or whatever, who have been harassed and marginalized as
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Speaker 3: much as our Jewish community, and the university is being
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Speaker 3: so slow or unmotivated to do all they can to
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Speaker 3: address it.
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Speaker 2: What explains this lack of motivation.
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Speaker 4: Well, there's a famous British author called David Badiel who
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Speaker 4: wrote a book that's called.
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Speaker 5: Jews Don't Count.
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Speaker 4: And effectively he said that any other minority group would
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Speaker 4: be would be called out for racism against those minorities
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Speaker 4: except the Jewish people. And this is in part because
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Speaker 4: of a philosophy that's been taught on our campuses for
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Speaker 4: a generation.
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Speaker 5: Now, this woki idea about.
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Speaker 4: The oppressors and oppressed, this wokh idea about privilege, that
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Speaker 4: somehow white people are privileged and non white people are oppressed,
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Speaker 4: and if you want to get rid of white privilege,
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Speaker 4: it starts with Jewish privilege. Wh This is a terrible
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Speaker 4: idea because it basically says that people's futures are predetermined
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Speaker 4: and I don't believe that, and I think most Australians
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Speaker 4: don't believe that, And the idea that you can ping
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Speaker 4: this all on the Jewish people is deeply, deeply anti submitic,
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Speaker 4: and I think That is what is motivating universities not
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Speaker 4: to sign up to this, because they don't want the
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Speaker 4: backlash the university leaders, who are almost to a person,
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Speaker 4: completely weak on this, they don't want the backlash from
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Speaker 4: their woke staff saying oh, you can't do this because
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Speaker 4: this is somehow advantaging our privileged people.
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Speaker 5: I think this is a terrible thing and we've got
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Speaker 5: to do something about it. And that's why, together with Josh.
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Speaker 4: And Allegro reformed this group we wrote to the universities.
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Speaker 5: I think we've got to start.
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Speaker 4: Asking ourselves, should universities continue to receive government funding if
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Speaker 4: they're not prepared to sign up to a definition of
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Speaker 4: antisemitism that the Australian government has signed up to and
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Speaker 4: that has multipartisan support. I think while Minister Claire is
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Speaker 4: negotiating the university compacts with universities, he should be raised
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Speaker 4: this issue.
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Speaker 3: Is it the case simply that I mean Vice chancellors
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Speaker 3: are not silly people, I mean they're incredibly intelligent, incredibly educated.
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Speaker 3: Is it the case that they know exactly what antisemitism
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Speaker 3: is they really just don't want to do anything about it,
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Speaker 3: which is why they've allowed the encampments to continue.
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Speaker 2: Why instead of telling.
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Speaker 3: Those students you either move or you are suspended or
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Speaker 3: expelled from our institution. We've got, for instance, Sydney University.
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Speaker 3: They're dealing and negotiating with these young people.
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Speaker 4: I think it's often tempting for us to think that
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Speaker 4: antisemitism is something that's confined to the under educated, But
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Speaker 4: the sad truth of the history of antisemitism is that
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Speaker 4: some of the best educated people have been the greatest
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Speaker 4: propagators of antisemitism. In the nineteen thirties and forties, there
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Speaker 4: was a conference at Wansea that was developed to meant
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Speaker 4: to develop the final solution, in other words, the gassing
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Speaker 4: and murder of Jewish people in the Holocaust. You know,
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Speaker 4: half the people who attended that were either medical doctors
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Speaker 4: or who had PhDs. What the vice chancellors are doing here.
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Speaker 4: They know exactly what antisemitism is. They know exactly what
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Speaker 4: phrases like river to the Sea means, they know exactly
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Speaker 4: what into Fata means. The fact that they know this
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Speaker 4: and are doing nothing shows that they are deeply complicit
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Speaker 4: in this. This is why James I've been calling for
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Speaker 4: a judicial inquiry into antisemitism on campus because this isn't
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Speaker 4: just confined to Sydney University.
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Speaker 5: It's right across the sector.
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Speaker 4: And we can't have a situation where Jewish staff and
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Speaker 4: Jewish students are going to university and are not being
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Speaker 4: able to do their work and access their education without
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Speaker 4: being harrised and intimidated. We wouldn't accept it with any
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Speaker 4: other group of Australians. And what is worse is that
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Speaker 4: we are basically teaching every other Australian who attends university
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Speaker 4: it's acceptable to treat Jews like that, and that is
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Speaker 4: not what.
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Speaker 3: I think we should well, I mean you're call for
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Speaker 3: an inquiry into antisemitism. I mean the government want an inquiry,
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Speaker 3: but it's got to be a broad inquiry into all racism,
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Speaker 3: not just into antisemitism. Almost like they don't want to
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Speaker 3: admit there is a particular issue with the treatment of
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Speaker 3: Jews that they don't want to admit. That is that
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Speaker 3: your reading of their reluctance to support that inquiry.
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Speaker 4: So it's twofold and I am absolutely sick and tired
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Speaker 4: of this.
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Speaker 5: I'm sick and tired of.
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Speaker 4: Antisemitism just being lumped in with general racism because it
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Speaker 4: is different, you know, anti Aboriginal racism doesn't have a
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Speaker 4: conspiracy behind it. Anti LGBTI sentiment doesn't have a conspiracy
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Speaker 4: behind it. Islamaphabia doesn't have a conspiracy behind it. Only
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Speaker 4: anti Semitism does, and it is something that morphs in
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Speaker 4: every generation. But secondly, this government wants to give this
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Speaker 4: task to the Australian Human Rights Commission. This is the
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Speaker 4: body that is charged with dealing with racism in our country.
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Speaker 5: But for six months they failed.
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Speaker 4: To condemn the antisemitism that we've seen in this country.
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Speaker 4: The president of the Commission at cented estimates, failed to
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Speaker 4: call out antisemitism. She could not even condemn her musk
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Speaker 4: for the terror attacks. And the new Race Discrimination Commissioner,
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Speaker 4: handpicked by Mark Dreyfus, who would be doing this inquiry,
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Speaker 4: refused to say that from the rivet of the sea
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Speaker 4: a violent statement. He said, I'd depend on the context.
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Speaker 4: And then they've got lots of staff and contractors that
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Speaker 4: have been engaged in anti Semitic acts, including the doxing
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Speaker 4: of Jewish artists, and have called for Jews to be
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Speaker 4: treated in the most horrendous fashion. There is systemic racism
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Speaker 4: at the Australian Human Rights Commission, and that's why Jewish
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Speaker 4: community organizations have said to the government and have said
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Speaker 4: in media statements that the Human Rights Commission is completely.
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Speaker 5: The wrong organization to do this.
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Speaker 4: I'm calling on the government to adopt my bill for
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Speaker 4: a judicial inquiry so we can get to the bottom
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Speaker 4: of this, because when the culture is rotten in a sector,
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Speaker 4: it's only a judicial inquiry that can get to the
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Speaker 4: bottom of this and achieve the cultural change all Australians want.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely Well, Julian Lisa, thanks for joining me tonight. I
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Speaker 3: really appreciate your time and the work that you're doing.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, James.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: The Labour Green Teal backlash against Peter Dutton's renewables policy
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Speaker 3: is already in full swing. This week, the opposition leader
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Speaker 3: revealed more of the coalition's climate policy while pointing out
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Speaker 3: the bleeding obvious that Labour's renewables targets for twenty thirty
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Speaker 3: are untenable.
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to sign up to a policy that
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Speaker 6: the Prime Minister is proposing at the moment that during
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Speaker 6: a cost of living crisis which Labour's created, families can't
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Speaker 6: afford to pay their electricity bills now, and he's talking
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Speaker 6: about a sixty five to seventy five percent target in
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Speaker 6: twenty thirty five, which is going to drive your electricity
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Speaker 6: prices up even higher.
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Speaker 2: So that's Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 3: But the Greens and other cross benches aren't happy with
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Speaker 3: Dutton's approach, apparently believing we should pursue zero at all costs,
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Speaker 3: even if it means the destruction of our economy. They've
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Speaker 3: pledged to oppose any reduction in emission's targets if Peter
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Speaker 3: Dutton is ever elected. Joining me now to discuss is
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Speaker 3: Nationals front bencher Barnaby.
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Speaker 2: Joyce Barnaby, good to see you.
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Speaker 3: Green's leader Adam Bant has said in a press release
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Speaker 3: that this new discussion about that zero is quote, nothing
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Speaker 3: more than hot air. Do you think Australian's battling to
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Speaker 3: pay their power bills would share Adam Bant's carefree attitude.
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Speaker 7: Not only that, we've got Austrangers, we've got people who
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Speaker 7: are doing it tough. I'm down in Tasmania at the moment.
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Speaker 7: You can't afford to keep their house warm. It can't
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Speaker 7: afford the basics because because they can't afford the power.
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Speaker 7: I mean, this is something that we're supposed to be
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Speaker 7: able to deliver to the Australian people. Not only that,
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Speaker 7: I'd ask Adam Ban what amount of factor is trying
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Speaker 7: to move to Australia.
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Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you.
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Speaker 7: The ones I'm moving out, Adam Our plastics industry, our
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Speaker 7: aluminium industry, our refining of oil industry, now food processing.
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Speaker 7: We have to realize we've got to have a reality check.
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Speaker 7: This nation has come as strong as possible, as quickly
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Speaker 7: as possible when we look at the global dynamics, the
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Speaker 7: Communist Party of China growing in power all the time.
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Speaker 7: We are living in a realm where your sons and
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Speaker 7: daughters and grandsons and granddaughters are going to live in
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Speaker 7: a different Australia. To you, you have a responsibility to
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Speaker 7: make this nation strong. And if you shut down our
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Speaker 7: electricity grid, if you shut down the capacity for us
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Speaker 7: to basically have the basis the seed stock of what
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Speaker 7: is required for this nation, I think you do me
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Speaker 7: a treacherous thing. And so it's the affordability for people
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Speaker 7: in the weatherboard nine, it's the strength of your nation
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Speaker 7: as a whole.
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Speaker 3: Well, the other thing that Adam banp said is that
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Speaker 3: he gives Peter Dutton buckleys of winning the next election
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Speaker 3: because of this energy policy. But you know, latest polling
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Speaker 3: from the IPA release today would say that.
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Speaker 2: Maybe Dutton's on a winner with this.
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Speaker 3: Fifty seven percent of Australians now say affordability is the
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Speaker 3: number one issue for energy policy, twenty four percent say
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Speaker 3: reliability is the number one factor, and only nineteen percent
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Speaker 3: say the most important thing is reaching net zero. So
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Speaker 3: it seems like the Coalition may well be on a
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Speaker 3: winner with this.
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Speaker 7: Well, if you're if you're in a house and you
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Speaker 7: can't keep warm and I said, he what's important to
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Speaker 7: you, you'd say, I can't form a power bill, mate, that's
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Speaker 7: what's important to me. You know, what are you doing.
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Speaker 5: If you ask?
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Speaker 7: Some of the check is having to pay for for
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Speaker 7: the price of power through the costs of food, and
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Speaker 7: they lose that dignity. You know, they've gone from steak
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Speaker 7: back to minces and they're on their way to pass
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Speaker 7: her and say mate, what's important to you? She'll say
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Speaker 7: to you, well, I can't afford this. You've taken away
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Speaker 7: by sandy little living. You've made me poorer. And these
18:20
Speaker 7: are the things that are absolutely fundamental, as they say
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Speaker 7: in everything, when poverty walks in the door, love flies
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Speaker 7: out the window, and love for so much. In regards
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Speaker 7: to you're twenty thirty targets, that's gone, and I hope
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Speaker 7: I've had a band. If he wants a political lesson,
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Speaker 7: I'll say to this mate, you just keep on banging
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Speaker 7: on about your twenty thirty targets and all that. And
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Speaker 7: I'll say to mister Bone, you're follow them right up
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Speaker 7: and miss the alb and easy. You go on and
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Speaker 7: jump on your throat box and scream that stuff out.
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Speaker 7: And I'll tell you, mate, you'll get every vote in Balmaine,
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Speaker 7: and you'll get nearly every vote in Willara, and you'll
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Speaker 7: get Buckley's and Nane away from there.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 3: The other issue, Barnaby, I want to ask you about
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Speaker 3: tis immigration. The Australian View of Statistics have released new
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Speaker 3: figures showing Australia's taking in ten thousand immigrants per week.
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Speaker 2: That's right now.
19:08
Speaker 3: I thought we were cutting back if people thought the
19:11
Speaker 3: housing crisis was bad, It's going to get worse, isn't it.
19:16
Speaker 7: Well, the question you got to ask yourself, James, it's
19:19
Speaker 7: not just the ten thousand people. You need the roads
19:21
Speaker 7: for ten thousand people. You need the schools for ten
19:24
Speaker 7: thousand people, you need the hospitals, you need the parks.
19:28
Speaker 7: I mean, where are you putting these people? That's Ganada,
19:32
Speaker 7: the town of Ganada, arriving every week and if you like,
19:35
Speaker 7: and Jess isn't added as an example. You know Garda,
19:37
Speaker 7: it's got high school, schools, doctors. So all these other
19:41
Speaker 7: people turning up, where are you putting them? Well, going
19:43
Speaker 7: to a rough idea, you're stacking the one on top
19:46
Speaker 7: of the other in the middle of Sydney. And it
19:48
Speaker 7: doesn't matter how good your roads go, how many tunnels
19:50
Speaker 7: you build, you're just being completely coogged up.
19:53
Speaker 5: You haven't even got a.
19:54
Speaker 7: Really a policy to get them out of regional Australia.
19:56
Speaker 7: And even if you took them out there, you haven't
19:59
Speaker 7: invested in the in the rail and the infrastructure to
20:02
Speaker 7: fully support this population you're bringing in. So it's not
20:05
Speaker 7: an argument against people's creed or color. It's an argument
20:09
Speaker 7: on just the logic of it. It can't do this
20:12
Speaker 7: unless you want to, unless you want to get them
20:14
Speaker 7: into regional areas. And to get them into regional areas,
20:17
Speaker 7: you've got to invest in the dams and the roads
20:19
Speaker 7: and the infrastructure. And if you don't do that, I
20:21
Speaker 7: tell you, folks, they're going to one spot. They're going
20:23
Speaker 7: to the middle of Sydney. They're going to the southwest
20:25
Speaker 7: suburbs of Sydney. They're going to the middle of Melbourne.
20:27
Speaker 7: They're going to the middle of Brisbane, and they're going
20:30
Speaker 7: out into the suburbs. And your crowding problems and your
20:34
Speaker 7: congestion problems are just going to be magnified tenfold.
20:38
Speaker 3: Well, Barnaby, I drive on Sydney Roads and I promise
20:41
Speaker 3: you the traffic proofs your point, right, Barnaby Joyce, Thanks
20:44
Speaker 3: for joining me tonight.
20:46
Speaker 7: Always a pleasure.
20:48
Speaker 2: Well, coming up in.
20:49
Speaker 3: A moment, how labor is funding the erasure of women,
20:52
Speaker 3: and we'll talk about how the way kids are taught
20:54
Speaker 3: to read is about to change.
20:55
Speaker 2: All of that in just a moment. Welcome back.
21:01
Speaker 3: Labor has granted millions of taxpayer dollars to fund a
21:04
Speaker 3: new cervical cancer campaign to the organization Acon, which has
21:08
Speaker 3: been accused of a raising women from its messaging by
21:12
Speaker 3: using words like people with a cervix.
21:14
Speaker 2: And front hole.
21:15
Speaker 3: This was uncovered by Sky News senior reporter Caroline Marcus.
21:19
Speaker 1: Have a look, it's the health campaign about a deadly
21:24
Speaker 1: disease for women that avoids the word women.
21:27
Speaker 9: If you have a cervix, the test can save your life.
21:31
Speaker 1: Concerns have been raised about more than three million dollars
21:34
Speaker 1: in taxpayer funding being given to the group who made
21:38
Speaker 1: the video for another cervical cancer campaign. Liberal Senator Claire
21:44
Speaker 1: Chandler says language used by the organization like people with
21:48
Speaker 1: a cervix and front hole is offensive.
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Speaker 9: Questions need to be asked about why government is paying
21:55
Speaker 9: taxpayer money handover fist to this organization to push theirical
22:00
Speaker 9: ideology that quite frankly, is insulting to women.
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Speaker 3: Joining me to discuss this is Women's Forum Australia's Stephanie Bastian. Stephanie,
22:09
Speaker 3: thanks for joining me. What do you make of millions
22:12
Speaker 3: of taxpayer dollars going to an organization that apparently doesn't
22:16
Speaker 3: know what a woman is?
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Speaker 10: Well, good evening and thank you for having me on tonight.
22:22
Speaker 10: I think it's an absolute disgrace that the federal government
22:25
Speaker 10: has given three point three million dollars to an activist
22:29
Speaker 10: organization like ACON. They do not even acknowledge the biological
22:33
Speaker 10: reality of women now anything to do with reproductive health
22:37
Speaker 10: is sensitive to women. They need support, they need encouragement
22:41
Speaker 10: to go and get this vital testing which has a
22:43
Speaker 10: really good prognosis with early detection, and instead they've run
22:47
Speaker 10: this campaign with dehumanizing language such as front hole. Now
22:53
Speaker 10: Acon last year received thirteen million dollars of taxpayer funds
22:57
Speaker 10: from the New South Wales government.
22:59
Speaker 5: They have a fifth I've.
23:00
Speaker 10: Been million dollar wage bill, so we can see where
23:03
Speaker 10: this money is going. And so I think the Albanezi
23:07
Speaker 10: government needs to answer as to why they gave this
23:10
Speaker 10: crucial funding for a health campaign to an activist organization
23:14
Speaker 10: like a Connon instead of Cancel Counsel or any other
23:17
Speaker 10: charity organization that's raising important awareness on this issue.
23:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, help me understand why we're seeing this trend of
23:24
Speaker 3: organizations are raising women by not using the word woman
23:28
Speaker 3: in messaging targeted at women. Stephanie, please make sense of
23:32
Speaker 3: this for me, because I can't, for the life of
23:34
Speaker 3: me understand what is going on. And it's not just
23:36
Speaker 3: in Australia. It's run around the Western world.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely. So we've got this idea that run and promoted
23:46
Speaker 10: by activists that gender is there are more than two sexes.
23:51
Speaker 10: They brought in this term called gender and now suddenly
23:54
Speaker 10: there are multiple genders. What it's really doing is it's
23:57
Speaker 10: providing a license for men to identify women, and in
24:00
Speaker 10: the process, it's a raising women, it's a raising women's rights,
24:05
Speaker 10: women's spaces, and it's incredibly harmful. And at the end
24:09
Speaker 10: of the day, the people who are pushing these bad
24:12
Speaker 10: ideas have very little to lose. They've got enormous power
24:16
Speaker 10: in these well funded organizations, particularly like ACON, They've got
24:20
Speaker 10: the ear of government. They've entrenched their dangerous ideas in
24:24
Speaker 10: the curriculum, and it's just it's causing enormous harm everywhere.
24:28
Speaker 10: It is damaging our culture, and it is infecting it
24:31
Speaker 10: for our healthcare system, our education system. There needs to
24:35
Speaker 10: be an inquiry into it and to get it rooted out.
24:38
Speaker 10: It's incredibly harmful.
24:40
Speaker 11: He will.
24:41
Speaker 2: Sticking with the theme.
24:42
Speaker 3: You might have heard me talk earlier in the program
24:44
Speaker 3: about transgender American swimmer Lear Thomas having lost a case
24:49
Speaker 3: against World Aquatics. That decision will block Lear from having
24:53
Speaker 3: any chance of competing at the Paris Olympics. At the
24:56
Speaker 3: end of July, I wanted to ask you while you're here, Stephanie,
24:59
Speaker 3: is that a win for women here? In Australia or
25:02
Speaker 3: is that just something that's taken place overseas with no
25:05
Speaker 3: bearing on the argument we're having here.
25:10
Speaker 10: Well, absolutely, on a global scale, particularly our Olympians, it's
25:13
Speaker 10: very good news. I'm very pleased that this was the
25:16
Speaker 10: outcome of his challenge. Of course, protecting women's sport is
25:21
Speaker 10: very important. We have a lot of work to do
25:23
Speaker 10: on our homeland here Claire has proposed to Save Women's
25:26
Speaker 10: Sport bill. So while it is it is good news
25:30
Speaker 10: on a global scale, on a national level, we still
25:33
Speaker 10: have a lot of work to do, particularly protecting women's sport.
25:37
Speaker 7: Yeah.
25:37
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there was the case of the soccer
25:40
Speaker 3: team in Northern New South Wales. It has a number
25:42
Speaker 3: of transgender players on it in the women's competition. Are
25:46
Speaker 3: we seeing a shift of the pendulum back towards biological
25:50
Speaker 3: reality or are we still a long way from that
25:53
Speaker 3: being accepted as the norm.
25:57
Speaker 10: Well, I think we're still a long way in terms
25:59
Speaker 10: of government government mandates and government legislation. But I think
26:03
Speaker 10: on the ground, particularly parents and athletes are getting really
26:07
Speaker 10: sick of it. You were seeing this come out in
26:09
Speaker 10: schools where parents quite frankly, they're pulling their kids out
26:14
Speaker 10: of sporting competitions because their daughters are being injured or
26:17
Speaker 10: a threat of being injured. They just don't like it.
26:20
Speaker 10: So I think at the moment there's a real divide
26:22
Speaker 10: between the political class, the media and the general public.
26:26
Speaker 10: But more and more we're seeing more parents and students
26:29
Speaker 10: on the ground speaking out and I think that's a
26:31
Speaker 10: really positive thing, which is need government to start listening.
26:34
Speaker 10: And we're very grateful to senators like Claire Chandler who
26:37
Speaker 10: asks being a voice for them in the House of Parliament.
26:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, Well, Stephanie Bastudent, thanks so much for your
26:44
Speaker 3: time tonight.
26:46
Speaker 5: Thank you.
26:48
Speaker 3: Well, let's go to Victoria now where the way children
26:50
Speaker 3: are taught to read is about to change. From next year,
26:53
Speaker 3: students from prep to grade two in all public schools
26:57
Speaker 3: will be taught to read using structured phonics as part
26:59
Speaker 3: of what's called an explicit teaching approach. Now, basically that
27:04
Speaker 3: means teachers will teach rather than allowing children to direct
27:07
Speaker 3: their own learning, and children will be taught to sound
27:10
Speaker 3: words out rather than, as has been the case, simply
27:13
Speaker 3: guess at words based on context or book illustrations. And
27:17
Speaker 3: I don't think many would argue there's not a compelling
27:19
Speaker 3: need for the change. Fully, one quarter of Victorian students
27:22
Speaker 3: failed to meet NAP planned proficiency standards for literacy last year.
27:26
Speaker 3: Joining me to discuss this is Victoria's Shadow Education Minister,
27:30
Speaker 3: Jess Wilson. Jess, thanks for joining me. The Liberals took
27:34
Speaker 3: this policy to the last two elections, but it's only
27:37
Speaker 3: now being adopted by the Labor government. Is common sense
27:40
Speaker 3: finally prevailing here?
27:43
Speaker 12: Well? Good to be with you, James, and you're right.
27:45
Speaker 12: We did take this to the last election six years ago.
27:47
Speaker 12: At the twenty eighteen election, we took a comprehensive phonics
27:51
Speaker 12: based policy to the election and then again in twenty
27:54
Speaker 12: twenty two, and today we've seen the Labor government finally
27:57
Speaker 12: drag to what has been evidence of across the board
28:00
Speaker 12: for more than twenty years that this is the way
28:03
Speaker 12: to teach children to.
28:04
Speaker 2: Read in Victoria.
28:05
Speaker 12: We've got some really concerning numbers when it comes to
28:08
Speaker 12: our outcomes at a learning level. We're seeing kids right
28:11
Speaker 12: across school levels years three, five, seven and nine nearly
28:15
Speaker 12: a third of them are not meeting proficiency standards when
28:18
Speaker 12: it comes to literacy, and when you look at the
28:20
Speaker 12: international data the PISA data for fifteen year olds. We've
28:23
Speaker 12: got record lows across numerousy literacy and science. So this
28:28
Speaker 12: is a belated announcement. It's one that the government has
28:31
Speaker 12: dragged their feet on, but we're policed at finally Victorian
28:34
Speaker 12: students will be able to learn in the classroom. Unfortunately, though,
28:37
Speaker 12: we're seeing it still dragged out further. With the timeline
28:39
Speaker 12: the Labor Minister has put forward today.
28:42
Speaker 3: I was interested to read that Melbourne's three hundred Catholic
28:45
Speaker 3: schools didn't wait for a government edict. They've already started
28:48
Speaker 3: teaching phonics and have seen marked improvement. Why the reticence
28:52
Speaker 3: to adopt the phonics model in public schools, Well.
28:57
Speaker 12: The evidence has been clear on the need for evan
29:00
Speaker 12: based learning on phonics on explicit instruction for over twenty
29:04
Speaker 12: years now. The Labor Minister admitted as much today that
29:07
Speaker 12: this has been the case and Labor has been in
29:10
Speaker 12: power for twenty one of the last twenty five years
29:12
Speaker 12: here in Victoria, but has failed to actually adopt the evidence.
29:15
Speaker 12: We saw the Catholic Archdechy here in Melbourne adopt phonics
29:19
Speaker 12: earlier this year. I was at the launch and we
29:21
Speaker 12: put out a press release of the time welcoming that decision.
29:24
Speaker 12: We've been talking about this issue since the start of
29:26
Speaker 12: since the last election, and calling on the government to
29:29
Speaker 12: make sure that phonics is in the classroom. What's really
29:32
Speaker 12: important here is children don't innately learn to read. They
29:35
Speaker 12: don't just pick up reading that or just pick up words.
29:39
Speaker 12: We have to teach them how to read, and so
29:41
Speaker 12: it's really important that we put in place phonics. And
29:44
Speaker 12: I think I learned to read through my parents sounding
29:46
Speaker 12: out words. Many children learn to read like this, and
29:49
Speaker 12: it's important now that this is going to be the
29:51
Speaker 12: case in Victoria. But we do have concerns with the
29:53
Speaker 12: rollout of the policy today. Of course, Victoria's continuing their
29:56
Speaker 12: choose their own adventure approach, not adopting the National Screening
30:00
Speaker 12: test instead using their controversial test here in Victoria. We
30:04
Speaker 12: don't have any sense of whether this will be compulsory
30:06
Speaker 12: in every classroom, with the Minister saying that it will
30:09
Speaker 12: be still up to teachers decide whether this works for children.
30:12
Speaker 12: So we have concerns across the role out of this policy,
30:15
Speaker 12: and we just can't afford to leave any children behind.
30:18
Speaker 3: As you say, there's been plenty of evidence to say
30:20
Speaker 3: that phonics is the best way to teach children to read.
30:24
Speaker 3: So why did schools move away from it? Was it
30:27
Speaker 3: an evidence based move or was this an ideological thing?
30:30
Speaker 3: And is that one of the reasons why some schools
30:32
Speaker 3: are reticent to go back to phonics. It's an ideological issue.
30:38
Speaker 12: It's certainly been an ideological issue here in Victoria. The
30:41
Speaker 12: evidence has been clear for over twenty years. We've had
30:43
Speaker 12: report after report telling us that evidence based learning, explicit instruction,
30:48
Speaker 12: the use of phonics in the classroom is essential to
30:50
Speaker 12: lifting our standards here in Victoria meeting those learning outcomes
30:54
Speaker 12: for students, and time and time again we've seen naplan results. We'
30:58
Speaker 12: seen international data show that we're falling behind. Unfortunately, we've
31:02
Speaker 12: got a labor government here that has had an ideological approach.
31:05
Speaker 12: They've continued with this choose your own adventure in the classroom,
31:08
Speaker 12: this balanced literacy approach, and that's been sort of hampered
31:12
Speaker 12: further by the Department of Education here refusing to move
31:15
Speaker 12: on this issue, and of course the Union movement as
31:18
Speaker 12: well having an influence.
31:20
Speaker 13: Yeah.
31:20
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I remember when I was at school,
31:22
Speaker 3: we learned to read using phonics, So it seems like
31:25
Speaker 3: everything old is new all over again.
31:27
Speaker 2: Jess Wilson, thanks so much for joining me tonight.
31:31
Speaker 5: Thanks so much.
31:33
Speaker 3: Coming up the latest from the UK as the major
31:36
Speaker 3: party leaders go head to head on TV and a
31:39
Speaker 3: gay kiss is featured in the latest iteration of Doctor Who.
31:42
Speaker 3: GB News presenter Patrick Christie's joins me in a moment, Well,
31:49
Speaker 3: let's go to the UK where Prime Minister Rishi Sunak
31:51
Speaker 3: and Labor leader Kiirs Starmer have gone head to head
31:54
Speaker 3: in a televised debate. Now a snappole after the debate
31:58
Speaker 3: indicated most people thought that Kis Starmer had performed better,
32:02
Speaker 3: but the questions asked by the audience during the debate
32:04
Speaker 3: showed voters are frustrated by both leaders.
32:07
Speaker 6: I feel like you've formed into more of a politician
32:10
Speaker 6: than the person that I would have voted for Tom.
32:12
Speaker 8: From the country.
32:13
Speaker 5: You seem more like a political robot. How are you?
32:18
Speaker 11: How are you going to convince others like me to
32:20
Speaker 11: vote for you?
32:21
Speaker 5: Well? Did he convince you?
32:25
Speaker 7: Es or no?
32:26
Speaker 11: I hope you don't answer the questions.
32:28
Speaker 5: How are you answer the questions?
32:29
Speaker 4: And I hope you never answered them the way that
32:31
Speaker 4: you did when you're a solicitor because you don't seem
32:32
Speaker 4: to answer the question.
32:33
Speaker 3: I say that you're coming from an NHS background and
32:35
Speaker 3: you have this instilled value of caring for the NHS.
32:38
Speaker 11: How are we going to do that if you try
32:41
Speaker 11: and undermine it at every level.
32:42
Speaker 13: But building another building that's going to move it from
32:46
Speaker 13: the hospital is not going to cure the problem.
32:52
Speaker 3: Joining me now is GB host Patrick Christie's Patrick, thanks
32:55
Speaker 3: for joining me. What do you think of the debate
32:58
Speaker 3: and what do you think of the response from people
33:00
Speaker 3: that act seemed particularly fond.
33:01
Speaker 2: Of either option?
33:05
Speaker 14: Now, these two guys are about as popular as a
33:07
Speaker 14: fart in a left It is terrible to see. They
33:10
Speaker 14: are barely human, as you saw there from the are
33:12
Speaker 14: you or.
33:13
Speaker 2: Are you not?
33:13
Speaker 14: A robot followed by a very robotic answer. We are
33:16
Speaker 14: being asked to choose between two people who lie every
33:19
Speaker 14: single time their lips move. Kits Dama, the labor leader,
33:23
Speaker 14: wanted to abolish the monarchy, campaign to keep foreign criminals
33:26
Speaker 14: in Britain, wanted to bring back an Islamic state. Bride
33:30
Speaker 14: has historically backed somebody, wanted to do away with our
33:32
Speaker 14: nuclear deterrent and wants to tax everybody until the Pip squeak.
33:36
Speaker 14: Now he's saying he's just changed on.
33:38
Speaker 2: All of that stuff.
33:39
Speaker 14: You can trust him and it's all about wealth. Well,
33:42
Speaker 14: how does that marry up with socialism? And then you've
33:44
Speaker 14: got Richie Soona, who's got a pretty awful track record.
33:48
Speaker 14: Nobody voted for him, not even Conservative Party members voted
33:52
Speaker 14: for him. He was anointed like the pope and thrust
33:54
Speaker 14: onto us into Downing Street, where he's been clinging on
33:56
Speaker 14: ever since until he goes and counts his millions in
33:59
Speaker 14: California somewhere. He says you can trust him on his
34:02
Speaker 14: track record of immigration, despite record levels of immigration. And
34:06
Speaker 14: he said that flights to Ruanda are going to go
34:08
Speaker 14: off for illegal migrants, but he scheduled those flights after
34:11
Speaker 14: the election, which he'll lose, so they won't happen. Honestly,
34:14
Speaker 14: if only there was a proper conservative waiting in the wings.
34:18
Speaker 3: Patrick, I'm not even British and you've just completely depressed
34:20
Speaker 3: me at the state of things. Tell me for the
34:23
Speaker 3: British public, what are they most concerned about in this election? Like,
34:27
Speaker 3: what are the key issues that people are really stirred
34:29
Speaker 3: up about? Yeah, well, the fact is that our public
34:35
Speaker 3: services are absolutely on their knees. So we've got record
34:38
Speaker 3: NHS waiting times of seven and a half million. People's
34:41
Speaker 3: bills have been going up with inflation etc. Also, though
34:45
Speaker 3: the big one is mass, mass, mass immigration. People are
34:49
Speaker 3: not able to get a hold of it. When people
34:51
Speaker 3: verted for Brexit, they've voted to take back control of
34:54
Speaker 3: our borders, and what our political class decideers to do
34:57
Speaker 3: was to massively cut down on European immigration and where
35:00
Speaker 3: it could be argued we have a lot more culturally
35:02
Speaker 3: in common with people and instead open the floodgates to
35:05
Speaker 3: people from places like Pakistan, parts of Africa, India, which
35:09
Speaker 3: in itself, if that's high skilled, is obviously no bad thing.
35:12
Speaker 3: The issue is it's not really been high skilled. And
35:14
Speaker 3: the other problem is we've just opened the doors to
35:16
Speaker 3: a load of people illegally anyway, and we can't.
35:18
Speaker 14: Deport them, so there are massive, massive problems there. But
35:21
Speaker 14: that's kind of where Nigel Farage comes in, to be
35:23
Speaker 14: honest with you, and he's obviously been hitting the campaign
35:24
Speaker 14: trail there and doing quite well in the polls, although
35:27
Speaker 14: he keeps being attacked while he's out and about.
35:30
Speaker 10: Well.
35:30
Speaker 3: Exactly last time I spoke to you, he'd been attacked
35:33
Speaker 3: with a milkshake, and he's been attacked again since then, now,
35:37
Speaker 3: this time by someone throwing what was reported as wet cement. Now,
35:41
Speaker 3: I think police quickly arrested the perpetrator, but haven't listened
35:45
Speaker 3: to Faraja's response.
35:47
Speaker 8: I'm not a softie. You know, you can say what
35:49
Speaker 8: you've bullmen like to me. Do you start chucking cement
35:52
Speaker 8: at me or stuck with chucking stones at me? It's
35:54
Speaker 8: very very different. And this is a willful attempt, second
35:58
Speaker 8: time in a week. In a way, it's a wilful
36:01
Speaker 8: attempt to stop me taking part in this general election.
36:04
Speaker 8: And that is just claim wrong.
36:07
Speaker 3: So Petrick, is this happening to politicians broadly or is
36:10
Speaker 3: this just happening to Nigel Farage?
36:11
Speaker 2: And if so, why.
36:16
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean it's mostly happening to Nigel frag You know,
36:18
Speaker 14: last week milkshake, this week wet samon.
36:21
Speaker 2: Can I just play a little bit of bingo with
36:23
Speaker 2: you now?
36:23
Speaker 14: Because there was some familiar faces in this crowd of
36:26
Speaker 14: people where that wet saman came from someone wearing a
36:29
Speaker 14: not My King anti monarchists shirt. There was BLM posters,
36:33
Speaker 14: there was Antifa, there was refugees welcome and a trade
36:37
Speaker 14: unionist who is the one who threw that cement? So
36:39
Speaker 14: it had it all that crowd of people, that Motley
36:42
Speaker 14: crewe of rabid lefties. But every time someone attacks Nigel
36:46
Speaker 14: Farrage he goes up in the polls. So actually, if
36:48
Speaker 14: they want Nigel Farang to be prime minister one day,
36:50
Speaker 14: and I'm not recommending this clearly, they should, you know,
36:52
Speaker 14: keep lobbing things at him. But the other aspect of
36:55
Speaker 14: this is that MPs in general have been given additional security.
36:59
Speaker 14: That was mostly to do with the pro Palestine threats
37:02
Speaker 14: that they were getting. But you know, you've got to
37:04
Speaker 14: look at this in the round, haven'tue Where is all
37:06
Speaker 14: this coming from? You know, okay, the far right is bad,
37:08
Speaker 14: but are these threats coming from the far right?
37:10
Speaker 5: No?
37:10
Speaker 14: Are these threats coming from you know, patriotic union jack
37:14
Speaker 14: wearing Bretts. No, it's coming from the hashtag be kind
37:17
Speaker 14: lefties and they are actually a real cancer in Britain
37:20
Speaker 14: at the moment.
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Speaker 3: Patrick, I want to ask you about a completely different
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Speaker 3: topic for a moment. I've never been a massive doctor
37:27
Speaker 3: who fan, but you may be lefties are certainly rejoicing
37:31
Speaker 3: about the latest Doctor Who episode because apparently it features
37:34
Speaker 3: the first ever gay kiss in the show's sixty year history. Now,
37:38
Speaker 3: one of the show's screenwriters, Russell T. Davies, said they
37:41
Speaker 3: wanted Doctor Who to be more open with his feelings
37:44
Speaker 3: so children watching the program know it was okay for
37:47
Speaker 3: them to be open with their feelings too. What are
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Speaker 3: your thoughts on this latest Doctor Who episode.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, I mean it's not hard to see why
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Speaker 14: they're viewing. Figures are absolutely talent, you know, and this
38:01
Speaker 14: is just the latest and a long line of inclusivity
38:03
Speaker 14: and diversity that Doctor Who has had. We've had a
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Speaker 14: gay alien, we've had a non binary alien, and now
38:08
Speaker 14: we've had a gay kiss. Look, you know, inherently there's
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Speaker 14: nothing wrong with it, but I think there's that very
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Speaker 14: concerning line there about the impact that people want this
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Speaker 14: to have on children, and that feeds into a lot
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Speaker 14: of what we're seeing now in schools and on cartoons
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Speaker 14: for children. You know, do we have to really be
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Speaker 14: pushing this stuff there? We've only just managed to overcome
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Speaker 14: a situation where doctors were prescribing puberty blockers two kids.
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Speaker 14: But we are in the middle of Pride Month, and
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Speaker 14: there is something quite stark that happened here. Okay, So
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Speaker 14: we were celebrating or commemorating, I should say D Day,
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Speaker 14: and on the commemorations of D Day some of the
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Speaker 14: main roads in London were draped with Pride and trans
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Speaker 14: flags and not the Union.
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Speaker 2: Jack and I just think.
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Speaker 14: That maybe indicates exactly where Britain is at the moment ideologically.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, really interesting, Patrick, Christie's always really enjoyed talking to you.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time tonight.
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Speaker 3: Up the Coalitions plan to protect kids from the harms
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Speaker 3: of social media and why the Pope has told Catholic
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Speaker 3: priests keep their sermons.
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Speaker 2: To just eight minutes. My panel will join me in
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Speaker 2: a moment.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Coalitions made a bold promise to protect Australian
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Speaker 3: kids from online harms, pledging to introduce a verification system
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Speaker 3: so age limits on platforms like Facebook, Instagram and TikTok
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Speaker 3: are properly enforced. Joining me now as the panel Hobart
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Speaker 3: City Council Luise Elliott and my Sky News host Buddy
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Speaker 3: on the Late Debate Caleb Bond Peter Dutton vowed to
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Speaker 3: raise the age of kids accessing social media from thirteen
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Speaker 3: to sixteen. In the first one hundred days if he
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Speaker 3: wins office. Is this a good idea?
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Speaker 11: Well, look, I think we're all sympathetic to the idea
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Speaker 11: that children under the age of sixteen probably shouldn't be
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Speaker 11: on social media, that the harms are well documented and
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Speaker 11: we see the consequences of them every single day. But
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Speaker 11: how do you actually enforce something like this, because what
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Speaker 11: Dutton has said is that he doesn't trust the social
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Speaker 11: media companies to do it themselves, so it would have
40:08
Speaker 11: to be enforced in some way via the law. Now,
40:11
Speaker 11: of course, children under the age of sixteen, or over
40:14
Speaker 11: the age of sixteen for that matter, quite likely don't
40:17
Speaker 11: have any form of identification. That don't have a driver's
40:20
Speaker 11: license or something. So if you want to legislate that
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Speaker 11: you have to be sixteen, that has to be enforced
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Speaker 11: in some way, which means you need some mechanism to
40:30
Speaker 11: confirm your age. Now, if that means that we've got
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Speaker 11: to start giving access to our birth certificates to social
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Speaker 11: media companies, I'd be concerned about that. If it means
40:38
Speaker 11: that we have to come up with some sort of
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Speaker 11: digital ID to give to every child in the country,
40:42
Speaker 11: I'd certainly be concerned about that. If it means that
40:45
Speaker 11: we're using some sort of AI to look at your
40:48
Speaker 11: face and determine what it thinks your age is. I'd
40:51
Speaker 11: also be concerned about that and how exactly something like
40:55
Speaker 11: that would work. You know, it's all nice to say
40:57
Speaker 11: that we want to do it, I don't know how
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Speaker 11: practically is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon, You're right, it's a great idea, but
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Speaker 3: how Louise, we start to get into the territory of
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Speaker 3: what responsibility should government take on and what responsibility should
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Speaker 3: parents take on? Are we running the risk of government
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Speaker 3: just policing too many things?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, there definitely is a risk of over regulation, and
41:20
Speaker 13: I am one that shies away from that, especially when
41:23
Speaker 13: it comes to adults. And I completely take on board
41:26
Speaker 13: the practicality's point of view, and it all have to
41:28
Speaker 13: be really fleshed out how that would work in real life.
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Speaker 13: I do think, though, there is some merit in definitely
41:34
Speaker 13: exploring it further, because, like we say, the harms are documented.
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Speaker 13: It's obvious what's happening to children and adults in terms
41:41
Speaker 13: of our detention spans. But I think, like I said,
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Speaker 13: there is benefit in exploring it further because, yeah, the
41:48
Speaker 13: harm's being done to our kids it's something we do
41:50
Speaker 13: need to look at, and of course people will find
41:52
Speaker 13: a way around things, but that doesn't stop us looking
41:55
Speaker 13: at other things. I mean, there's plenty of kids that
41:57
Speaker 13: have a drink at sixteen when legal age is eighteen.
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Speaker 13: The laws in place for a good reason because it
42:03
Speaker 13: isn't good for us. So I want to see it
42:05
Speaker 13: explored further, but it has to be practical the solution.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think both of you have said what
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Speaker 3: most of us are thinking. We like the idea, we're
42:13
Speaker 3: just nervous about how it will be implemented. Let's go
42:16
Speaker 3: to the union pylon, because that's continued with the Transport Workers'
42:20
Speaker 3: Union writing to virgin Australia expressing concerns over its latest
42:24
Speaker 3: internal candidate for CEO, and three other unions have decided
42:28
Speaker 3: to back the CFMEUS pushed to get the AFL chief
42:31
Speaker 3: umpire sacked. Louise, what's your reaction to these union spats.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of strong strong arming taking place at
42:39
Speaker 3: the moment.
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Speaker 13: It really is no surprise that mean union level rates,
42:44
Speaker 13: membership rates are just plummeting, and when you see behavior
42:47
Speaker 13: like this, it's no surprise at all. I mean, the
42:49
Speaker 13: thing is that unions have a rightful place in society
42:52
Speaker 13: and they've in my opinion, perhaps served their time. But
42:56
Speaker 13: when it comes to things like fair pay and safe
42:58
Speaker 13: work environments, coming to gather strength and numbers in is
43:01
Speaker 13: a good thing.
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Speaker 5: But when it comes to.
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Speaker 13: Inflating these huge egos of thugs that now declare threats
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Speaker 13: and make personal attacks on individuals, calling them for them
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Speaker 13: not to be hired or to be sacked and all
43:16
Speaker 13: that sort of oh, what do you call it?
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Speaker 5: Blackmail?
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Speaker 13: That's not on at all. So that this I can't
43:23
Speaker 13: believe that sheally the one union lady in particular at
43:26
Speaker 13: this notorious for this sort of behavior, the one calling
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Speaker 13: for the sack of the umpire. So I really there
43:31
Speaker 13: needs to be action on this because it's appalling for
43:34
Speaker 13: unions in their reputation and does very little for improving
43:37
Speaker 13: their membership.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister is asked about the CFM e used
43:42
Speaker 3: behavior in relation to the AFL umpiring chief. I have
43:45
Speaker 3: listened to what Elbanezi said a lot of the issues.
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Speaker 6: Around Virgin fl Do you think it's appropriate for the
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Speaker 6: unions to see you can involved in the ucating the
43:54
Speaker 6: appointment of CEOs and high level officions.
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Speaker 2: No, so sorry, it's back to unions and John Sector.
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Speaker 12: Do you believe that he should it up on his
44:02
Speaker 12: campaign against the AFL.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's not very just common sense, Caleb.
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Speaker 3: Do you think he was too verbose He should have
44:10
Speaker 3: been briefer in his answer?
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Speaker 8: Maybe?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, quite right. Look, actually I'm reticent to criticize a
44:16
Speaker 11: politician for shutting up every now and again, to be
44:19
Speaker 11: perfectly honest, but on this matter, Look, we know how
44:23
Speaker 11: inextricably linked the unions are to the Labor Party, so
44:26
Speaker 11: he somewhat has his hands tied behind his back. Look,
44:29
Speaker 11: I wouldn't have so much issue if perhaps the CEE
44:31
Speaker 11: if himy you was going after particular umpires in the AFL,
44:35
Speaker 11: particularly the one who denied my mighty Adelaide Crow's a
44:39
Speaker 11: goal at the end of the season last year against
44:42
Speaker 11: the Sydney Swans, which of course stopped us from getting
44:45
Speaker 11: into the finals, and a few other umpires who've dubted
44:48
Speaker 11: us in the dying moments of matches this year. But look,
44:51
Speaker 11: unions are well within their rights to throw their weight around.
44:55
Speaker 11: The unions are there to represent their members. We all
44:59
Speaker 11: understand that. But what we need to make sure happens
45:02
Speaker 11: is that they're not allowed to do that outside of
45:04
Speaker 11: the law, and that businesses do not feel cowered into
45:09
Speaker 11: acceding to every single one of the demands that these
45:12
Speaker 11: unions make. The CFMMEU has so much power, not only
45:16
Speaker 11: in construction. They're now going after council workers across the country.
45:20
Speaker 11: They want them to become part of the CFMEU, and
45:23
Speaker 11: it does risk becoming so big that it is almost
45:27
Speaker 11: impossible for any business or sporting league or whoever else
45:31
Speaker 11: to say, hang on a minute, we're not going to
45:33
Speaker 11: do what you know. We're not going to do what
45:35
Speaker 11: you tell us to do, because they would risk being
45:38
Speaker 11: toppled themselves if we get to that point, and we're
45:41
Speaker 11: probably not far off it with the CFMU, there is
45:44
Speaker 11: an argument for legislative intervention to control the power of
45:47
Speaker 11: the unions absolutely.
45:49
Speaker 3: By the way, when you mentioned AFL, very rude of
45:51
Speaker 3: you not to congratulate me on North Melbourne finally winning
45:55
Speaker 3: a game and we had to buy before that, so
45:57
Speaker 3: we're undefeated for two weeks.
45:59
Speaker 2: It's just a great time.
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Speaker 11: But it's nice to have your one day in the
46:03
Speaker 11: sun for the year, isn't it.
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Speaker 12: Hey?
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Speaker 3: Listen, Moving on a former Queensland judge, has met with
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Speaker 3: Premier Stephen Miles to discuss the state's youth crime crisis.
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Speaker 3: Former Judge Clive Wall called for a number of radical measures,
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Speaker 3: including another trial of the Newman government's boot camps and
46:18
Speaker 3: perhaps more controversially, making parents pay compensation to the victims
46:22
Speaker 3: of their children's crimes, holding parents more accountable. Luise, the
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Speaker 3: fact that these ideas are coming from a former judge
46:29
Speaker 3: should add weight to them, should it not.
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Speaker 13: I think so absolutely, And looking into this situation, this
46:35
Speaker 13: judge has been advocating for things like this since two thousand,
46:39
Speaker 13: for almost we several years now actually, and I've been
46:43
Speaker 13: good on him. I admire his persistence in keeping to
46:45
Speaker 13: advocating for what he believes in. He's seen this day
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Speaker 13: in day out, He's seen the people that front up
46:52
Speaker 13: to him. And there is such a massive problem with
46:54
Speaker 13: youth crime across Australia and the crime and being people
46:58
Speaker 13: that's been conducted. Bye, I'm really getting more and more
47:03
Speaker 13: arrogant in what they're trying to do. So I think, yes,
47:05
Speaker 13: parential responsibility is a great thing. I've got two young kids.
47:08
Speaker 13: If I take them into a shop and they break something,
47:10
Speaker 13: I've got to pay for it. That sort of responsibility
47:14
Speaker 13: should continue. I do feel for the parents who if
47:17
Speaker 13: this was to be brought in. I really have unruly
47:20
Speaker 13: kids on the hands, and that's why youth justice needs
47:23
Speaker 13: a too pronged approach between prevention and early intervention, but
47:27
Speaker 13: also accountability and accountability sits with.
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Speaker 3: Parents absolutely, Caleber, I don't want to lose you from
47:33
Speaker 3: the late debate. I love working with you, but there
47:35
Speaker 3: may be a job opportunity. Paul Barry, the long serving
47:38
Speaker 3: host of Media Watch, is leaving in December. He's been
47:42
Speaker 3: the show's permanent host since twenty thirteen. The ABC have
47:45
Speaker 3: yet to find a replacement, but have said the show
47:48
Speaker 3: will go on. It's a pretty good gig, about two
47:50
Speaker 3: hundred k for fifteen minutes of TV a week.
47:53
Speaker 2: Or do you reckon?
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Speaker 10: Yeah?
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Speaker 11: Look, I don't know if scar News will let me
47:55
Speaker 11: do it on the side, perhaps I'll consider it, but
47:57
Speaker 11: something tells me the ABC won't be all that interested me. Look.
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Speaker 11: I featured on media Watch a few times thanks to
48:03
Speaker 11: mister Barry. He's mostly got things wrong when he's had
48:06
Speaker 11: me on there, but that's fine. Look, you know, mister Barry,
48:09
Speaker 11: I hope he has a lovely time in retirement. We're
48:12
Speaker 11: really going to miss.
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Speaker 2: You, Paul.
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Speaker 3: You know, we didn't get to the last thing I
48:16
Speaker 3: wanted to ask you, which is Pope France asking Pope
48:19
Speaker 3: Francis asking priests solimit their sermons to just eight minutes calerber.
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Speaker 2: But I don't think you go to church anyway, do you?
48:24
Speaker 2: So you don't care? But eight minutes? Really, you got
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Speaker 2: nlve seconds to answer.
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Speaker 11: Look, I just hope that our viewers can take us
48:31
Speaker 11: for more than eight minutes. Put it that way.
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Speaker 3: Fair enough, Hey, listen, thanks to my panel, I appreciate
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Speaker 3: your time tonight, and to all of our viewers, thanks
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Speaker 3: for joining me.
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Speaker 2: That's it from me, stick around. Coming up right now
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Speaker 2: is Sharry Markson