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Spitballing Magic Ideas: Color-Changing Cups & Juggling productions #265 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys. They do magic. Magic. They are the magic guys.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Doug giving us our flowers. So well-deserved.
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I'm josh nubito and you're watching or listening to episode
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265 of the magic guys
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wiki wiki to my
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left sipping on that sweet sweet christmas edition of
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jedi juice is nick k that's right
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friends i'm nick k and joining us once again is daddy doug say what up daddy
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nick you got the wrong holiday bro it's 4 20 today i don't know what's happening
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in your world but here in vegas we're celebrating a little bit differently all
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that's all i have to say about that so we don't get demonetized well.
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We can't lose that two cents no doug 420
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really is a it's a it's a real thing you guys
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celebrate hey in australia wouldn't like it
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was yesterday for us and you know not a single mention of
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it was made over here at least like how serious
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are we celebrating it over there i mean you
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know it's a niche group but i moved to a
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legal state for a reason and we're throwing down here and
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to be clear i'll be going to the local dispo and partaking in
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some of the wonderful deals that we have at our very much legal dispensaries
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oh it's like black friday but like but okay yeah it's like everything is half
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off today which is awesome wow half off but still fully baked Yes.
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How much is a gummy? How much is like a five milligram gummy?
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You know, I did the math the other day. And if you buy weed on,
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if you buy gummies on 420, you can get a buzz for 50 cents.
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It's like 50 cents a gummy. It's like half price or bag of 10 is like six bucks. I don't know.
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Just to be clear, we don't condone drug taking friends, but we do understand it.
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Oh, let me be clear that I do condone everything cannabis. What?
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It's it's true doug gave me gummies when i was in vegas and
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he'll do it again i will i'll give anyone that's
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in my universe is welcome to have my gummies you're a
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good friend i've honestly never taken
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any weed or any any
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kind of drugs but i did just take a health power shot
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called magic mind which nick jokingly said oh
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is that the one with the mushrooms in it so this might be
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my first time on air you see me trip out if that was
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true but i'm pretty sure it's not because they shipped it to australia but
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we'll see how we go well hang in a second should we all be under the influence
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to some degree on this channel like doug are you are you cut to be clear i'm
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under the influence at 6 a.m most days should i get a scotch or something so
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that i can fit in with you guys right now i think it's only fair i mean we know
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that you used to be in a band.
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So it's only fair that, uh,
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You get sloshed. Get ripped. I'm not going to take an oxy because that will
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ruin me for the day, but I do have those.
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Whoa, that might be a little harsh to what we were just suggesting.
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Doug, what do you think? I say crush it up and snort it.
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All right. All right. I'm going to have a scotch. I'll get us.
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Hang away. Last question. Can I have scotch at 10 a.m.? Is that a bit much?
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Of course you can. If you're getting a late start. You know, it's 8 p.m. in L.A.
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So it's five o'clock here it's five it's
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five o'clock somewhere all right i'm loading up that's
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batshit crazy drinking in the morning i mean i'm pretty
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open-minded but these wacko nuts who have booze in
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the morning i never understood that just remember this
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is a fism award-winning podcast what's up
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y'all fism award-winning there we
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go we expect that to be finished by the
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end all right this is a rare this is a rare
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whiskey i got all the way from malaysia called timah pretty
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good dent in that thing already might as well finish it
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off yeah get the whole fill it up i was
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gonna say this because i just did the power shot
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i wasn't gonna have this highly caffeinated drink but i
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think it's only fitting that we just well if
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we're going that way i'm gonna go get my oxys and do it up
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we'll just settle i'm just gonna go get
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my rubber band and syringes i'll be right back jesus
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christ are we seriously gonna do our two uh i'm gonna get some of those copperfield
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cookies so i see illusions and that could be a feeling the spitballing is gonna
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be extra interesting today it's gonna be draw balling because we're gonna be so bad it's just so bad.
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Strap in our first look
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can we even do this now i don't yeah
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well let's tell everyone but friends this is a
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spitballing episode for those of you listening for the first time
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some of you in the discord were like what's spitballing i'll tell you friends spitballing
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is an opportunity for you guys to leave us a voicemail with
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some magic ideas or routines that you're currently working on
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that maybe you're stuck on or you think would be cool and
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you just want to be able to talk about it and jam so we're just spitballing
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ideas there is no bad ideas and
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we're going to start off the first one with who who's it from we got our first
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one coming from our boy nick k and nick gay sorry the the u.s version of nick
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k the g version the g'd up version and we're going to start by rolling in with
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our official stinger made by Scotty P.
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Spitballing. Nice. Now it's a show. Alright, coming in, Nick Gay.
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Let's see what you got. Yeah, boy.
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Hey, Magic Guys. Greetings from my new house. Now that I'm finally moved in
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and I have an office again, I can start working on magic stuff.
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So, basically, what I want to do is explain the effect and I don't want to talk
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about how I would do it. I want to see what y'all's opinions are.
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So basically what it is, is a chop cup style routine, but I put the cup down
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on the table and then I have an audience member pick what color ball they want to appear.
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And then that color ball is underneath the cup.
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And I want to do that a couple of different times. And each time the ball changes.
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And I just want to see what y'all think would be the best way to do it.
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I have a way that I think I'm going to do it, but I want to see what your opinions are. Thanks.
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Change bag a change bag with four different bags inside all right let's do a
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random ball okay let's just reiterate we're talking about a chop cup with a color changing ball,
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so there is a lot of i got i'm going mechanics first so the first thing is that
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like me index all right which is what i'm a pig for i love indexes and you could
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have index holdouts that hold out different colored balls, that's one option.
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You can also do stuff with the ball where you could have the balls be sponge
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instead of ball balls, but you probably need the weight so that it drops from the chop.
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You could also have the balls be...
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You could put a shell on it as well to some degree, but you would have to hold it in a certain way.
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Like you wouldn't be able to change it under the bowl, but you can certainly
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change it. That's interesting.
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Here you go. If you're using sponge balls, you can cram a few of them into a top of a cup.
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And if you limit the selection to red, yellow, and blue to the primary colors
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or even go that direction, then you could theoretically just reach in and pull
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the ball out of that color.
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I've used this modus operandi before in cup routines
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it works great yeah so i
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guess yeah the the ways of thinking is either you
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have all the different colors in the ball and you're able to take out whatever
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one they name or you have some kind of external factor that's able to force
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the color that you've already pre-loaded to sleight of hand style like the you
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know like Blake Voigt's on, you know,
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billet that can unroll to show many different colors and you might have five
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of them and they take one and you just unravel the correct side that has the
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next ball you've loaded,
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you know, or some kind of force, or maybe it's on your phone,
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different colors and they swipe across and, oh, this one?
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Like that, you know, is another way of thinking, but... The part of me thinks
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that like a sponge, you could probably make some sort of system inside of it.
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Yeah, that's one of the things I was thinking where you could have it compass
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the walls of the thing and then just by putting your finger in,
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pulling one out, for example.
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Yeah, but the chop wouldn't be upside down necessarily for that.
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You could probably just have it up. You could name a color and you can reach
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in and take one out. That's one way you could do it.
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Yeah so there's a few different ways to play with this not always gone if let's
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say this saturday nick you're doing the theater of magic and you're told you
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have to do this routine like what's your,
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shotgun version you're going to make like that you'll
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actually be able to do because when i think about it
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i think i would probably just like
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have i would just put that color underneath
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and i would have people shout out colors and then
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like make it seem like that's the one that we're going with
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randomly agree completely with this
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i'd add multiple outs and load the out right right
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right i think what i think what i would do is i
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would save all the colors of the balls to be like
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the kicker at the end you know and and set the
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premise up of the routine being like you got to follow the red ball
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that's what it's all you gotta do one thing and had
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this beautiful simplicity because there is a comedy and there is there's
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going to be a nice juxtaposition when you say like you got one job follow the
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red ball and then you cover the ball and then they go where's the red ball no
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that's the that's the orange one and then the red one is somewhere else i would
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be using the strength of transpositions and color changes in the form of a not
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a sucker routine in a sense But for me,
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I really like to have routines that establish them having to focus and concentrate
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because that's where magic has its most strength.
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So I would take it totally. No, sorry.
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Yeah. No, I said that gay because that's Nick Gay's question.
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That's only why I said that.
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The other thing that comes to mind is I'm really thirsty. One second.
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Now, the other thing that comes to mind if I'm really doing that is...
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God damn it. I lost my train of thought. This magic mind stuff is rubbish.
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Those judge you got suck.
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I'm not wrong. Shit. Enforcing this at all.
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No, I, like, I would have people call out the colors and I would do like a one ahead thing.
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Like I would load and go, oh, now what, what was the color you said?
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Oh, this. Okay. Oh yeah. Boom. That.
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The yellow one. And then what was the one you said? Boom. Oh yeah.
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Or obviously if you have $10,000 to spend, you can buy that fancy table that we all saw at Magic Live.
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That does the work for you and just loads the thing
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under the cup like that would be a video version or i was thinking about this
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if you want to do a funny version you just make it a green ball every time and
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you act like it is the right color and then at the end you say but in editing
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this this is gonna fool everyone.
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That would be funny too um making waste is a funny idea where you have like
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a white ball and then what you do is you just color it in with like like you just color it real quick
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now that's interesting could is there a such thing as
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a light that could make the ball look like a certain
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color sure it is if you had a reflective surface you
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just throw a color on it that would work yeah i'm
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also thinking now mart mart martin uh lewis
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had the color changing pencil with the balloon around the
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pencil i'm wondering if you could do that with a ball have like a
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red balloon around the ball and then you pop take
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the balloon off now it's blue yeah i don't know maybe yeah removing it would
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be a bit tough but those are all good options and i think that that is yeah
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so i guess to answer this question like what i would do is i would make it a
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chop cup routine that's genuinely set up with the premise of follow the red ball,
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but the red ball keeps vanishing and appearing elsewhere as for the form of
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a transposition and the colored balls underneath would be appearing in place
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of where the red should be.
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I'm remembering now, Ray Cosby used that method to change the color of an apple.
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So he had a red apple. He took a bite from it, and then he wiped his hand across
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the apple, and it changed to green.
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So it is possible to use that as a color change visibly with the balloon as the modus operandi.
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That's cool. All right, we better keep rolling. We just had another speak pipe
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come in, and so this is great. We don't have to go.
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We don't have to keep rolling. We could just do all this for an hour.
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Honestly, we could spend an hour on just Chop Cup. Let's keep rolling.
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Okay. Next one comes from Justin JT.
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So I can only assume this is the real Justin Timberlake.
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Let's see what he's got for us. Hey there, Magic guys.
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So when I saw the message in the chat that Nick had put out, I just had this thought.
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The first thing that popped into my mind was I'm doing this juggling presentation
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coming up this month for a little school.
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And then I'll be doing, of course, like a little magic show following that.
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And I just was thinking, what if, I mean, you know how you have folks who can
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solve Rubik's Cubes while juggling?
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Well, what if you have these do something else?
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So maybe you've got like a little, like a ball that has a little mechanism and
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then you press like a little button as it falls into your hand.
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Of course, you'd need like really good precision to be able to do that.
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And then it just, when you toss it back into the air, morphs into something else.
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So say maybe you get a card that changes into, sorry, a ball that changes into a deck of cards.
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And then maybe another one that transforms into like a little bottle.
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But yeah.
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Wondering how that could be done, implemented. But yeah, that's just the first
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thing that came to my mind. So thanks for your time.
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Wait, I think Doug's got this. Justin, so it sounds like, for clarity,
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is there a way to juggle and have the objects change in the air while you're juggling?
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Does that sound like what you heard, Nick? That's what I'm picking up.
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And I think that we all need, tell them, Doug, mylar, flower. Okay, that was me.
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Mylar flower. Changing card. Of course.
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That's the obvious answer. I was thinking more of the juggling pigs that changed
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to a watermelon slice. Boy.
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It's the world's most obscure transformation. But the modus operandi is valid.
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It's an inside out dealio. There's a few of these on the market. This is the ugliest one.
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Available at tricksupply.com. Probably sponge is not ideal.
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I've seen these. They make morphine plushies now.
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They're like little stuffed animals. You could juggle those,
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and they change from like penguins to elephants or something like that.
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Anyway that's my idea that's interesting that like yeah
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that is interesting though no it could be nuts you
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know how you get the the balloons and you shove it filled with
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sponge balls so that it looks like a single ball but then when you hit it
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with a prick and you pop the actual like water you gotta use the really small
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water balloons for this but when you pop them like heat it makes heaps of sponge
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balls like if you did something like that whereas like as you're juggling you
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then go to like hit you you prick it open then when you throw it just like Like
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so many balls would appear out of nowhere and it'd be like a very cool flash.
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As far as juggling goes, the flash juggling term. So that's something you could
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play with in order to mix magic with juggling.
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Has anyone done a linking rings juggling act where you're juggling three rings,
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but then like one links as you catch it and then you're just throwing one and
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then you, you know what I mean?
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Is that a thing? I have seen it, yeah.
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I feel like Dick Zimmerman's hula hoop act had some of
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that in it there was um there was
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a really cool thing that brian sanders and i were playing with in
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vegas and it was a it was a magic wand it was
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a magic wand but like so it looked and felt like a magic wand but then it kind
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of like expanded and turned into a knife so you could do a thing where like
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you would you would be chugging you could be chugging you know wands and then
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they turn into knives that's another option so i would be looking for things
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that can transform from a thing to a thing.
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I wonder if you could do silk juggling and then transform them into appearing canes. Oh.
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I'm not going to be the one to test that out because I valuable my fingers too
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much for use those things at all. But maybe.
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Drink up Nick maybe your ideas will get better yes I'll loosen up just a little
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bit with my Tim Har available at tricksupply.com,
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yeah that's that is a tricky one,
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Man, I'm flashing back. There was a street performer in New Orleans that stood
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on his head on a skateboard.
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So he put a skateboard down and he balanced literally on his head while he held
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two Rubik's cubes, one in each hand. And he was solving them both simultaneously
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while balanced on his head on skateboard upside down.
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Can you fathom that? Holy crap.
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Sadly, he had no charisma or script or performance skills. So for all these
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talents, he made next to no money.
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And it was quite amazing to watch if you knew what you were looking at.
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I mean, well, look, it's not about the quantity of people watching it. It's the quality.
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And now from you watching it, he has now been mentioned on a FISM award-winning podcast.
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Yeah, he's still broke. It's all about presentation, fellas.
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Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. i think
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because with juggling the the cube solving
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is impressive because like that's the thing you shouldn't be
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able to like concentrate on while juggling but you
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also see that you can visually tell the colors are slowly coming together so
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i wonder if there's another puzzle based thing that could be done like you know
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a silly example would be there's a puzzle in front of you and you're juggling
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the pieces but you're like putting it together as you're juggling or yeah you know.
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Something along those lines.
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Something difficult to do even when you're not juggling.
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How about juggling three decks of cards and I have to find which deck has your
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card, extract it from it, you know, so maybe a card trick happens while you're juggling three decks.
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And what if you, while juggling the deck, took out their selected card and reversed
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it in the pack? Wink, wink. Oof.
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You could change colors of the boxes while you juggle the decks.
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I know there's methods for that that are doable for that kind of thing.
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Yeah, for airborne stuff.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think the answer is really, and see, the thing is like,
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if you guys know when you kind of go to the, the, the Chinese suppliers at the,
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at the, in the dealer's room and you just see all this stuff,
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it'd never be advertised on Murphy's or anything like that, but you rock up
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and it's like, check out this thing.
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It's, it's, it's a bottle opener, but then when you shake it,
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it turns into a something. You're like, what? Like, where has this been all my life? So.
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We have that stuff here at Trick Supply. We have all of that stuff in the back.
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I'm telling you. That is here.
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That's what you want to juggle. I look at stuff like that all day.
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Like, what the hell am I going to do? What is this for?
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But then suddenly, magical transformation juggler needs it. And now we know.
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All right let's go that's enough of this next all right
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next yeah this is this is great every every
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10 minutes we probably have to press on to the next one to make sure everyone
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can get in there it's all right it's funny minutes in sounds good our next one
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comes from gihan our fellow melbourne magic mister let's see what gihan's got
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for us hi this is gihan i'm currently thinking of my finale.
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So there's two aspects. I have a lockbox that is opened with the three-digit
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code, and someone is thinking of a word during the show.
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So my first option is you open the lockbox, and inside you have a paper with
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the word written on it. So that's option one.
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Option two, you open the lockbox with the three-digit code, and inside you find a dictionary.
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And then you open to the three-digit page number that we use for the code,
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and there you find the word circled in the dictionary.
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The final option I was thinking was when you open to that page,
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that page is now torn out of the dictionary, and it's somewhere else.
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I haven't thought about the next step for that, but I want to discuss the three
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different options and how you think of each one as a finale and what you could help me out with. you.
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Or any other options as well thank you gihan
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legend now before we discuss that i just
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have to say one more thing i think i just nailed with jt's
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juggling puzzle go ahead
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and i actually would like to do this myself you get the letter blocks that you
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buy for toddlers to play with and it's a mind-reading effect so you have a word
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thought of and you start picking up letters and juggling them and putting some back and dah, dah, dah.
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And you eventually stack up a line of these letters from juggling and stuff.
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And then when they say the word they thought of, you spin it around and you've spelt it.
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Thank you. I like it.
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Thank you, Magic Mind. That's it. It's just...
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Watch this space. Someone's going to do it, and anyone has my permission to
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do it because someone's probably already done it.
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But I think I'm going to do it at some point because I can't balance on a skateboard
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upside down juggling, solving two cubes at once.
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On your head, no less. Like, can you just... Learning to balance on your head alone.
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Yeah, I got the wrong shaped head too. There's like a slight curve at the top. It's not flat.
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So it's a little, that's the bit that would stop me from doing it.
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Not the skateboard or the two cubes at once or the upside down, but it's the head shape.
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It would take him a while too. He'd be upside down for like three minutes.
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It's not a comfortable position.
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Three minutes. It would take, no, this guy wasn't. I mean, he's got two,
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one in each hand. No wonder he made no money. He's upside down. Three minutes. Come on.
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How fast can you solve two Rubik's cubes at the same time?
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One in each hand. Well, I can't if I did.
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Hand for god's sake upside down it's incredibly
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impossible and but if you're going to do it
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you got to do it within the parameters of an instagram
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video time time limit disagree you do it with appropriate presentation in order
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to entice your audience to care about what you're doing so they pay you and
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neither of those things things were done as you were telling me no so still a cool guy, though.
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Cool. It's cool. Yeah, you're cool. Anyway.
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So we're talking about a revelation in a box with three digits.
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One is just a word being in there. The other is a three digits appearing,
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and then there's the... What was it again?
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Like the third version... The page is gone. Here's what I love about these options.
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You say, I predicted your word.
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It's in the box, and they open it up, and there's a dictionary in there. She was funny.
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Know your words in there somewhere yeah and
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then they find it circled on the page i think i think that's a great avenue
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for a word prediction yeah i feel like the second version has something the
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third doesn't where it's like there's a drop before the kick which is good because i feel like,
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going from is a dictionary haha the page
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is missing i don't know if that adds more it
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doesn't feel like it does for me i would agree with
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that there's not a definitive like we
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don't know what sorts of words aren't in the dictionary you know that
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have been taken out so you need like a definitive like it's this word yeah or
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what if like is it what is it funny if the dictionary is glued shut and only
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that page opens oh yeah and it's circled or something like that yep.
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That would be probably good for formal performance as well, so your dumb spectators
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don't gimp up the moment getting there.
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Like, you're going to rely on a modern audience member to be able to spell the
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word, to use a dictionary, as in a given in modern times.
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Right. Or it's a blank, or Nick Gay says, or it's a blank book that says dictionary,
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and it's the only word in the whole book. Hmm.
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Hmm. Yeah, that's interesting as well. Yeah.
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But the only thing that the thing i like dislike about the second version
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is that there is it's a diff like we're talking about
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revealing something that's kind of small and we're talking about
26:14
the finale of your show so i
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feel like that would work but it
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needs to have something that's a bit more clear big
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and visual as far as a finisher like there needs to be
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a very clear visual indicator this is the end of the show
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i think it's interesting for the end of the show to
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be something that's like circled with red pen in a
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book that's an inch big maybe it's a
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bookmark on that page and the bookmark opens
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up to a bigger kind of that's what
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i'm thinking you know how you have the the card the that
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the jumbo card but it actually folds up and out
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or one card and it folds up into a big jumbo playing
26:55
card yeah sorry it looks like you have four different cards
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right but actually they're all together and it unravels to be
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one well what if what i what i what i think
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is missing from the equation is what the word is going to be because what if
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the dictionary is the word so you say your words in the dictionary your word
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is the dictionary and then you unfold the dictionary and it's kind of kind of
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playing around with yeah or is there an avenue where you say,
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like your word is in here so all we have to do now is extract it and then you
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put the dictionary into like a shredder.
27:32
Or something and it blasts shredded paper
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onto a canvas and the shreddedness
27:39
spells out the word because there's glue on the canvas or like you know what
27:43
i mean what if you plus uh dancing girls you need some dancing girls for that
27:47
now we're talking now we're talking if you have a cannon's dancing girls and
27:52
yeah yeah skateboard we can talk if you can solve two rubies cubes,
27:57
yeah get that guy on the stage to spruce it
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up a little bit yeah but yeah
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definitely you want to really hit them with a surprise that they won't see coming
28:07
the dictionary is funny what if instead of a dictionary it's a newspaper with
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a headline there's another option so yeah yeah back in the old day magicians
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used to put their predictions in the newspaper back when people read newspapers.
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Be like read today's newspaper you will pick the six of clubs nice well what
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if okay playing around again what if they open up the dictionary say haha well
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it would be in there blah blah blah,
28:37
but you'll notice there's only one page that opens and there's one word circled
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on that page right they do that they and the person reads out and and let's
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say the word is motorcycle right But they go,
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and what is that one word that I've circled? And they're like, light bulb.
28:56
Damn it. But then you allude to, well, actually there is a light bulb above
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us that you might have noticed wasn't working when you came in.
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And then inside that is a little scroll.
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And now we're kicking them while they're not knowing where to look.
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And you're sort of like now alluding to something else, to something else. Yeah.
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Not a light, doesn't have to be a light bulb, but you know what I mean?
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The word could be a physical next place to look like under their chair or in
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your master prediction box. That could, you know.
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That's why like, I think it's like, I think what we ultimately need is to know
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what the final word is going to be.
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Like that's, you need to know where you, where you're going with this in order to like take it there.
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Because if we start putting it on a path and it's like, well,
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no, no, no, like you're taking me to space but i wanted to go to the beach it's
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like yeah i mean like doing a scavenger hunt type thing is a great idea for
29:50
sure but yeah i think without knowing what the final word is but how can we
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know the future and know what word they're going to think of nick,
29:58
well if we know what page is going to be on it can only be one of so many words
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on a page buddy you know what i mean so a dictionary is huge yeah it's probably
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going to start with the same letter you know what i mean and there's lots of
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ways to say there's be a whole page and saying there,
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so there's a few ways of you know
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hasn't decided what the word is yet well that's that's kind of like
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the thing because i feel like having a
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word without meaning is just a word and i think that that's where it's kind
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of lacking so if anyone listened to last week's episode with rady kaufman who
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wrote the book you know out of revealing you know he he does a thing where he
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has someone think of a celebrity and it's brock and so then he writes brock
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on this piece of paper then when he folds the piece of paper up,
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he gives it to the spectator, and it's a little heavier than what it's supposed to be.
30:45
They open the piece of paper up, and there's a giant rock that appears inside
30:49
the balled-up piece of paper.
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So you know what I mean? The word needs to sort of help us know where to go.
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So I think that until we know where it's going, it's hard to know exactly what you should do.
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But if I had to make a choice for the sake of moving on to the next one,
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I would probably say number two option.
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I like dictionary as the word. number two, but the dictionary opens up to the
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prediction. It's just a piece of paper.
31:15
Yeah, and I think you should incorporate a flamethrower in some aspect.
31:19
Yeah, I like following up the word. The word, following up the word,
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revelation with the production of the word is probably a good banger.
31:29
Like, you know, and the word is car and you win a car.
31:33
You know, and the car, you know, comes on stage. Right. If you can afford a car giveaway.
31:38
And if you can afford a car giveaway, holla, ring me up. Use a few bucks.
31:43
Struggling over here. Well, I hope that helps. Here we go. Tim Raymond is next.
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Timmy, let's see what's going on. Everybody loves Tim Raymond.
31:53
Here we go. G'day, guys. Nice. So my idea for spitballing is doing a multi-selection
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with an invisible deck where the cards paired up using a stack order, not a moniker.
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So one half is all the even cards, one half is all the odd cards,
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and then having a second deck of cards that consists of only the even cards from the moniker.
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And then with a few repeats have a
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couple of people maybe two or three people all select a card and then bring
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out the invisible deck and find all three of those cards are turned down and
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reveal them one at a time other idea i had was doing the card selection with
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the marked deck so they don't even see their cards.
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And then at the end, they look at the prediction in the invisible deck and then
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they turn over the cards that they've picked out in all three match.
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So that was my idea. I thought it would be pretty cool.
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Tried them once. Two spectators both picked the same card.
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So working on it, but I think it'll be good.
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Now Tim's first idea, am I drunk or did it not quite make sense?
33:09
You're not drunk. You're high on mushrooms and kind of sorta. Yeah.
33:15
So I understood it as limiting the selection bank from the mnemonica system
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and then revealing those cards in an invisible deck.
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That's kind of the way I heard it.
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But I don't know. I've been high since 6 a.m., so I don't know what's happening today.
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Before we jump into it, Tim Askema, she met a good comic. Congratulations.
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He is a newlywed, so congratulations, Tim Raymond. He's married.
33:41
Why is he not here? He's having honeymoon sex. So hooray for you, Tim Raymond.
33:46
Now, the next thing is that, like, I think ultimately, you look at what the
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pillar is, and I think the pillar is ultimately that it's using an invisible
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deck to do multiple reveals between three reveals. So erroneous of how you kind of get there.
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Invisible deck is going to be used for more than one reveal oh yes
34:04
right okay so i think that's why you're saying the even cards
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like have one deck with the even mnemonica cards so that yeah they can all be
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revealed face down right have you played with yeah have you played with that
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before because i've seen i have
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seen one magician do two reveals with the invisible deck like quite often.
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And does it enhance an effect to be
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able to do it from a different deck without looking to it let's talk
34:31
about it yeah i don't know man i'm not against sort of
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just having it face towards you you find the card and then
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out jog i'm not against that like yeah the thing
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i would i would i would say to you tim is i know
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you do like great stack work so why are
34:46
you trying to now bring gimmicks into it when you could probably do
34:49
this real life stuff with like there is a mnemonica invisible deck with a normal
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deck where you just have half of the mnemonica stack face up and this more of
34:59
a discord thing but you can essentially do invisible deck with just that and
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so what do you want to be introducing a deck that will kind of do it for you
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if you know what i'm saying,
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look at this look at this deck here all the cards
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are represented they're all there they're all
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different and what you're looking
35:17
at here is the ultimate brainwave deck
35:21
this is a card shark thing so this is
35:24
his system he does multiple productions and
35:28
these are thin cards so you could do
35:30
one you could do two you could
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do three these are marked as well on the back so that you can tell what they
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are from the back so it could be any named card is revealed as the odd back
35:42
card and all of the cards are available to you so that would be a way to integrate
35:49
this kind of gimmick into mnemonica stack.
35:54
Damn, okay. Yeah, putting that into stack would be diabolical.
35:59
This is a beautiful thing, actually. It's kind of pricey at about 50 bucks,
36:03
but they're all there and all different. Any card name's the only odd back card.
36:07
I think what I really like about... The fact that you're fanning them,
36:10
yeah. The fact that you're fanning them and we're seeing a full deck is great.
36:13
Yeah. I think what I really like about what Doug's showing with this particular
36:16
deck for those listening is that there's a kind of an economy of movement that
36:21
is what I was kind of disliking about the idea originally.
36:26
I think that having a thing in which you've got to sort of fumble through the
36:31
deck and separate just looks so unnatural and doing it several times,
36:35
for example, like using a traditional invisible deck, I think wouldn't be as strong.
36:39
But I think that, for me, you would do in a single pass of going through the
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deck doing all three reveals, I think that's your solution, buddy.
36:48
Get that deck and do those reveals.
36:50
And even if you don't do stack work, Doug, I'm guessing you can shuffle them
36:55
as well? Like you can overhand shuffle those cards if you want to? Um.
36:59
I don't know. I wouldn't want to misguide someone into thinking that you could,
37:03
but I think you could definitely do the effects in question from an apparently shuffled deck.
37:08
You're just looking at the faces and up-jogging the cards you need, right?
37:12
Because you know how, like a Sphingali deck, you can still do this kind of riffle shuffle.
37:17
Yeah. I wonder if... Fun fact, you can also do an overhand shuffle with a Sphingali deck.
37:23
Yeah, right. They stay in order.
37:26
Rough decks, probably not. what if
37:29
you even what if you set up the that that deck in
37:32
mnemonica as well so that would yeah i know i love
37:36
it that's a great idea yeah so i would get that brainwave deck set it up in
37:40
mnemonica and then have the selections any way that you like mark deck or not
37:44
but ultimately whatever method you use to know what those three cards are i
37:48
think revealing them from that brainwave deck is your solution buddy and it's
37:52
going to be a really strong effect hell yeah.
37:57
Next we got seth seth in the building and seth i'm pretty sure he's in the chat as well,
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let's see what seth has got for us today on the
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speak pipes spitballing hope you all are doing well so my day job is in pest
38:12
control and i've recently acquired these little toy plastic cockroaches and
38:18
i've been messing with them a little bit trying different like you know cup
38:21
and ball slights and coin slights and messing around with them to see what i
38:24
can do and i'm I'm trying to come up with a routine.
38:26
Maybe, you know, you get rid of, you think you get rid of the roach,
38:28
but then it comes back over here and then you stomp on it, but then it's over here.
38:32
And at the end, they reproduce and, you know, a whole bunch of them come out or what have you.
38:35
I haven't really worked out any specifics yet, but I was just curious if you
38:39
guys had any input or, you know, ideas given those parameters. Thanks.
38:45
Here's a great one for 420 day. I filmed this a couple of years ago.
38:49
You twist up a fake doobie out of flash paper and your finger palm a cockroach.
38:54
And you say, these are great. When you smoke them, don't forget the roach.
38:58
So if it's a flash paper doobie and it turns into a roach.
39:02
And funny. That's our 420 magic trick. Yeah. I'm also, yeah, go.
39:09
I was just going to say, I believe it's Earth's birthday today.
39:12
So happy birthday to you, buddy. Happy birthday to you.
39:15
If you're talking about doing that with cups and balls, I was reflecting on Dan Huffman's routine.
39:20
He published this in Linking Ring magazine. He did it with flies. So he did cups and flies.
39:26
And you know what attracts flies?
39:29
Well, dog shit. And then he would have piles of dog poop under the little cups
39:33
at the end of the... It was very much a comedy magician's routine.
39:36
You're not doing this at your local restaurant gig.
39:38
But cups and flies with dog poop productions.
39:41
So you know what a cockroach is like and produce that from under the cup,
39:46
yeah i mean i gotta say if if seth is doing this as a way to promote his business
39:53
like that is just gold social content to promote locally that uh his pest control company,
40:02
unless you're doing the drug thing probably not good idea.
40:06
You know, I'm reminded of hanging out with Tobias Dostal and he has this thing
40:10
called, this little fly called Mikey that kind of flies around his hand and
40:14
stuff and can go up your nose and out of your mouth and so forth.
40:17
He actually let me play with it. It was good fun.
40:18
I was wondering if he could do a sort of adaptation using a bug like that.
40:23
And yeah, and I was thinking like seeing a cockroach animate would be interesting.
40:31
Terrifying almost, but it would be interesting.
40:34
Like if it was just real small like i don't know what size
40:37
these cockroaches are but imagine that they're kind of like adult size
40:40
for lack of a better word you know maybe like an inch or more so
40:44
that's that's interesting if
40:48
you really want to freak him out you have the leclerc hookup of
40:51
thread and you just have one float up in front of you
40:53
and then you catch it in your mouth like you with the cigarette i
40:57
would also
41:01
suggest producing them in mass in any manner
41:05
would be surprising like i'm i'm reflecting when penn and teller
41:08
did the cockroach production on david letterman they produced
41:11
a bunch of live roaches oh yeah so any
41:14
bunch of cockroaches should be
41:17
fun surprising oh oh oh what
41:20
about if we did it like a um like a miser's routine
41:24
or it's like oh my god there are so many here oh this what's that in your hair
41:27
oh my god you need my services there's bugs everywhere and you're just misering
41:34
it into a pocket but it's just coming off the one girl like sitting in the crowd there's no one else.
41:46
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you get the extra factor of, obviously it's magical,
41:50
but you get the extra shock factor of it being a disgusting bug that no one wants to have on them.
41:56
Yeah. Yeah. Even if it was like, even if it was a type of thing that like happened
42:01
quite frequently, where it's like, let's say you're doing like card in box,
42:04
but then just to go against the sort of audience expectation,
42:07
like every time they go to look inside the box to see the cards and there's
42:10
a roach in there instead, like, you know what I mean?
42:13
And that's a little freak out. I'm like, oh, gee, like, yeah,
42:15
this is my business card you're going to need this you've obviously got a problem here like yeah,
42:20
there's these little subtle ways of doing it you know 100% you get that sharpie
42:25
launcher that we all bought at Magic Life so you can fire them out at random
42:29
or you get like a card fountain so you can just have like multitudes of them fly out.
42:36
Disgusting stuff but if it's your thing own it there is there is a market for
42:41
roach magic yeah I remember when you guys remember when Dan Sperry had this
42:46
effect where it was like, you know, the, the gel, uh,
42:48
like the worms, like the candies worms that are kind of sugar coated.
42:52
But then when he dumps the bag out, it's real worms that come out of the bag. Yeah.
42:57
I don't know if you remember that effect or not, but like, yeah,
43:00
it's, it's, he, he covers it in one of his lectures. It's quite clever,
43:02
but like, there's just things of that nature where it's like,
43:05
you know, roaches aren't the entirety of his business.
43:09
There's different types of bugs and whatever else. But obviously I think that
43:12
the roach is a great choice because it's so familiar, you know,
43:15
Yeah, like it'll survive a nuclear blast, for goodness sake.
43:19
So like everyone kind of knows what it is. But yeah, yeah.
43:22
Nick said it's a good idea. Instead of a Miser's dream, it's a Miser's nightmare
43:25
and just producing bugs everywhere.
43:28
So yeah. And then even if you took all the bugs and put them into a bucket and
43:31
stirred them up a little bit and then produced butterflies from it,
43:34
like it made it from a gross to a nice transition.
43:38
It's got legs. This idea has legs. And also, if you're going to do that,
43:44
you've got to pick yourself up a lucky ladybug from Juice Gala Magic.
43:48
You're right. Right into your theme.
43:51
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, you know, there is a routine like that with roaches on the market called Boris.
43:56
Boris the roach. It's done with a cell phone app. So the cell phone has the
44:00
roach crawling across it.
44:02
Great. Boris, look into it if you haven't.
44:06
All the roach practitioners should be aware of that. Excuse me.
44:11
All right. Coming in hot now, we've got Adonis. We've got Adonis next in the
44:16
chat. We'll see if we can get through these last three.
44:19
Adonis, what do you have for us today, my friend?
44:22
Hey, guys. So I got hired to do a kid's 40, and I'm no child entertainer.
44:29
So I decided to do magic coloring book, vanishing crayon, and multiplying color one.
44:38
I'm trying to justify the magic and giving the wands to the kids to do the colors
44:44
up here in the book. What are your thoughts?
44:47
Oh, that's a great idea. Makes perfect sense.
44:51
Yeah, if that's not something already being done, congrats to you for thinking of that.
44:57
Yeah. Kids, I need your help. Everyone, I need your help and your help and your help.
45:02
Stand up and hold these colored wands and shake them at the thing.
45:04
It's not working. Do it again.
45:06
Say the words this and that. Say I'm going to go to bed early.
45:09
Say I'm going to eat my vegetables.
45:11
You got to do it or the magic's not going to work. Like there's so much by play you can have with that.
45:17
Because the fun thing about kids is like for me, I just argue with them for
45:19
eight minutes over, over one coin routine.
45:22
Like that's my favorite thing to do. Yeah. I just kill time.
45:25
You know, we, we, we're going to segue this back to our first speak pipe. Go for it. Kid, kid.
45:32
I got the cup here. What color one do you have? Red. All right.
45:35
Wave your red wand at the cup. Oh, look, it's a red ball.
45:38
Okay. Put that away. All right. You, what, what color one you got?
45:41
Green. All right. You wave your green wand at the cup. What comes on? A green ball.
45:46
Look at this. If you know what? But I think you tie them together,
45:49
you start using the multiplying wands at corporate gigs, and then you use those
45:54
wands to choose the colors under the cups and balls,
45:58
slap some cockroaches in their faces.
46:01
I think we got ourselves a party. That's right.
46:07
That was an easy one next we asked that one pretty well that was a fun one I
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mean he kind of came in hot with the answer and we agree anything else to add Doug?
46:19
No yeah we nailed it next beat five coming in from,
46:24
coming in from Caden let me see what you got hey Magic guys it is Caden from
46:30
Minnesota over in the United States what's up Caden so my idea that I want you
46:36
guys to spitball on is to do a broken and restored Rubik's Cube,
46:43
maybe similar to a torn restored card, where you have Rubik's Cube maybe as
46:49
like for a fun kicker where it maybe even matches a pattern that the spectator mixed up.
46:55
You break off pieces of the Rubik's Cube into like little individual bits and
47:00
some way magically you restore it to be a whole cube.
47:06
My only thought regarding that would be maybe to employ a devil's Hank into
47:13
the method, but curious to see what you guys think. See ya.
47:18
I don't know if you guys have seen Vincent Cow's fism routine,
47:22
where he has a whole fish bowl filled with just pieces of Rubik's cubes,
47:31
just like, just all been shattered.
47:32
It looks like there's dozens in there. and he just reaches in and
47:35
takes out pieces and you literally just see
47:38
it go like from flat and
47:41
crushed to just in his hands make a
47:44
perfect three by three cube and start twisting it
47:47
on the spot and then tosses up in the air like it's it's
47:51
insane and then he like and then
47:54
at the end of his routine like it falls apart and
47:57
he throws the pieces on the floor so just to
48:00
set the stage there's a table and then and
48:02
the floor in front of it and he throws them on the floor he
48:06
finishes the routine and then he just he gets his foot
48:09
on the floor and then the pieces that are scattered on the floor they go they
48:14
just they just like run up the like they run to the table go the table and land
48:22
on the top of the table fully put back together again like just just.
48:29
I've had the pleasure of seeing like a version of his routine when he was performing
48:35
in the Purple Rabbit at one of the Brisbane festivals.
48:38
And I saw that moment where it goes.
48:42
But he's crazy. Like he, yeah, just for people to understand,
48:46
he starts his routine with having 10 Rubik's Cubes given out to the audience.
48:50
They're all mixed and they just sat on a platter, collected all and brought
48:54
back to the stage. And he just starts solving them. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
48:58
In like magical ways, fast ways. Just like, it's like crazy.
49:03
It's also crazy that like no one in this chat probably knows who we're talking
49:08
about because he makes it a point not to post his videos online anymore.
49:13
And it's insane how good he is yeah so
49:17
i was envisioning when you said fishbowl
49:20
maybe a mirror bowl so you could
49:23
like as you shake it turn it around and that would create a visual that the
49:27
cube restores itself in the fishbowl i had stephen brundage in here last week
49:33
he was talking about finding a card inside a rubik's cube i guess he does it
49:37
in in the corner of a rubik's cube That might be something like that,
49:41
like an organic opening to that kind of effect where you have to break the cube
49:46
apart to get to something else, and then you magically restore it.
49:51
Doug, with that weird Asian box that produces the love heart,
49:55
could that produce a Rubik's Cube?
49:58
The what box? You know that Asian Chinese looking box thing you have that produces
50:05
the love heart for people to like and share?
50:08
It looks like a temple. Oh, yeah, like a Pagoda box. Nah.
50:12
Well, if it was a foam cube, they do make foam cubes, so theoretically something like that.
50:17
When we first got the question, change bag was the easy answer.
50:21
You know, you could do a change bag with it, just dump the pieces in and pop them out.
50:26
Yeah. I mean, the other, the, the other version that is really good is,
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and it is taught within Henry Harrius's DVD, I'm pretty sure,
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is the one of the blank cube, but all the stickers being put in the box,
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in the bag, if you genuinely know.
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So like for the listeners it's worth scoping
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out but yeah it's essentially what you're saying but instead
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of breaking up a rubik's cube you have a whole
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handful of all of the stickers that go onto a
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cube and they're put in a bag along
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with a black cube that's just what a cube looks like
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with no stickers on it all the stickers go in you shake it
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up and then you tear the bag open you know bags empty
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whatever but now the cube has all the stickers on it
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and that could be the pattern to
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match the cube to someone just mixed as normally
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it's done to make a solves cube but such a
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good effect yes that's a killer killer is it brian saint is that his handling
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for that trick it was the gentleman that we had on the podcast a couple of weeks
51:34
ago john he doesn't yes yes john yeah.
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Love you john we just can't remember your last name i'll find it i'll find it
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john michael that's it i'm pretty sure here we go in the feed yeah no yeah john
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michael hinton john michael hinton,
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scope him out he yeah i think it was him and a few other guys from his local magic club like.
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Devised the whole thing but yeah but i like
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the idea of crumbling a cube putting it back into something
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making it whole again that is cool another
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thing i saw that was really great at magic live this guy
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created i you know i don't know his methods but just the
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performance he showed me was he gave someone
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a cube to mix up but it falls apart completely like
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as he gives it to them it breaks away completely and he's
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like oh that's okay you know what you keep one piece for yourself because
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i do have a spare cube here puts the
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other pieces away that person's kept one piece he takes
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out another cube and he's like ah the only problem with this cube is it's missing
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a piece and when he turns it around it's the exact one piece that that person
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kept wow i like it to bring it into being whole again yeah but this kind of
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thinking is good like the idea of,
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not just using a cube to solve it like doing physical feats with it you know like oh yeah I like it.
53:00
Don't know how to do it, but I like it. Well, that's the thing.
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Like, the best thing advice we can give you is like, sometimes it's like,
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this is what it needs to be. How do you do it? Don't know. Not my problem. You figure it out.
53:11
Yeah, that's right. All right. Let's see if we can, in fact,
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get to our last speak pipe from Adam.
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Adam has sent in one. I'm going to click open this.
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Someone's trying to ring my phone at the same time, which is a little bit awkward,
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but I don't think that'll play. Here we go, Adam.
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Hey, guys. So there's this routine I've been working on for a while,
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and I still need to figure out this ending.
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So I have this poster that I turn around, and it reveals a card, right?
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But it needs to be a four-way out
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poster and i still have i still
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haven't figured out a way to do that so i was just curious what you guys would
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do thank you sick i like
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the idea of it a four-way out poster so the
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poster is one of four possible
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outcomes and on the back of that
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poster needs to be a card he said is that right so like i'm imagining like the
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front of the poster that people can see is like the back of the card and the
54:12
other side for example yeah it needs to be able to change to four different
54:16
potential cards if we think of it in the way of a card reveal
54:21
so it's a photo it's a photo on one side
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is what he's saying in the chat and a prediction on the
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other well for me
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what i'm thinking is that like let's just say the prediction was
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a card you could have the card be a you
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know just something on the back which is a it's folded you know what i mean
54:39
and then just do that type of sankey switch with the the paper clip you know
54:44
that's good it's a good one it's a very clean very usable lo-fi sort of solution
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to to that because ultimately.
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It's something as opposed to like a revelation you said and on the back is a,
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is a folded card and you go to open that folded card and just in that action you could do.
55:04
You know, whatever needs to be done. Blake Voigt produces some really great
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multiple outs that you can unfold to reveal them. He has a six-out thing.
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It's called that. It's called Six Outs, and it's just a folded piece of paper
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that you open up, and there's the out you want.
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So Nick mentioned it in the chat, layers, multiple layers that you can unfold.
55:25
If you want a commercial solution for that, look towards Blake Voigt, V-O-G-T.
55:32
Yeah, it is. i think that's the right way to go yeah
55:36
yeah go give blake some money you'll be happy you're
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dead he makes good stuff yeah it really does quality
55:42
yeah anything to add with with regards that on the back whatever's written have
55:49
it folded perform a type of switch to get that solution it could be a folded
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piece of paper it could be a folded card it could be anything but something
55:56
that needs to be handled in order to do a revelation so that's my advice on that one,
56:03
I agree yeah speaking like because yes I know some people are mentioning have
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flaps or whatever but you know you want it to be practical and I think that's
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going to be the most practical way hmm.
56:17
Bob's your uncle yeah those types
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of four-way unfolding things i have tinkered
56:23
with them in the past i want to say it was like i'm gonna
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say mark oberong but i don't know if that's the right answer but he had his
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his is great i mean yeah i mean that's the one i
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played with it was the first one that i kind of saw with with that type of revelation
56:37
and it was multiple out like dozens or something like it was pretty staggering
56:40
but it did require a lot of practice for it to just for the economy of movement
56:45
to look good and for it to look like you were just genuinely opening up a piece
56:50
of paper without other stuff behind it, so to speak.
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So there is a apparati out there for you to sort of implement this idea.
57:00
But yeah, between that and Blake Voigt's one, which a lot of people seeing Blake
57:03
Voigt's praises, I would probably say that one. And I imagine the Merck Arborong's one. Here's one.
57:08
Marx would be very old now and probably not currently in production,
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which is why I would probably suggest someone like Blake Voigt.
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Yeah the good thing about mark's one which is called way
57:18
out is when you get it
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you get a whole bunch of ready to
57:24
go like flat packed ones so
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you can straight away get it you've got a whole bunch of them and you can straight
57:31
away start writing on all of the different outs you want he teaches you how
57:35
to how to just unfold it from which corner but also you can do what i did was
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if you want to use your own kind of paper or cardboard once you have his design.
57:46
It's very easy to stencil out his design and just
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replicate it onto like your own paper that you use in all your shows or whatever
57:54
i'm only speaking on mark's one because that's the only one i do have but i
57:58
would be very interested to get blake's as well because blake's one looks very
58:02
thin and innocent which is really
58:04
like a strong point mark's is like a little bit of a thicker kind of,
58:09
like professional looking thing, but last forever.
58:13
So yeah, that's called Way Out, Mark Oberon's one.
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And hell yeah. Look, gentlemen, I think that is all we have time for today.
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And we filled up this whole episode from you guys at home. And so we love doing
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that. I hope that helped you.
58:28
And I hope you got some, even if it wasn't one of your own speak pipes,
58:31
it gave you some kind of juice to think about in your own shows.
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So we're going to end our episode in the way we always do, which is by giving Doug the final word.
58:44
You didn't do the thing. I'm still here. Whatever.
58:48
Well, before you do that book club meeting after this in 15 minutes on the Discord, be there.
58:54
So talk about story time. I was out in Vegas last week. I saw a very good show.
58:59
I'm going to recommend this to anyone in my listening radius.
59:02
It's an R-rated magic show. This is Grant Freeman.
59:07
He's performing currently Thursday through Sunday at Planet Hollywood.
59:12
I mentioned this show, number one, because it's funny.
59:15
It's so hilarious. but number two, so that you might be inspired to create your
59:22
own magic show with such a unique point of view that your audience would care to see it.
59:28
That's what Grant Freeman's done. And if you have a little degen and you get
59:32
down to the planet Hollywood V theater and see an R rated magic show,
59:37
but more importantly, get a unique point of view. That's the last word.
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Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now.
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But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys.